2023_grads

[smoky lodge]

the point is that if you seriously think a company like Google or facebook struggles to find "talent" you're literally an idiot

[teal jackal]

^

whats the cutoff for being talented enough? where will it end?

[simple elk]

Not for Junior but for first promo+ i believe it

[smoky lodge]

like there's probably 4-5x as many people as they can hire that could actually do the job exceptionally

[teal jackal]

yeah thats early 2021n, not today

[smoky lodge]

https://www.reuters.com/technology/exclusive-meta-girds-fierce-headwinds-slower-growth-second-half-memo-2022-06-30/

[teal jackal]

you are too

job headcount being cut down ➡️ job market becoming more competitive ➡️ the bar to be "talented enough" to enter rises

[smoky lodge]

this is literally about early 2021

[teal jackal]

isnt that what we want?

abundance of jobs

not what the company wants
what we want

[smoky lodge]

"Facebook had an awful time trying to recruit engineers in early 2021"

[smoky lodge]

meanwhile now they're slashing hiring

[teal jackal]

What are you even arguing anymore?

Google resume screening isn't exactly a given

loads of great and 100% talented people get ghosted every year

erm nah, market still plays a role

google and meta cutting headcount = harder for us

we're gonna be more RNG dependent

[smoky lodge]

he's coping and doing as many mental backflips as he can to justify hiring freezes and headcount cuts not making things harder

[teal jackal]

and the bar goes up even higher

[smoky lodge]

it's pure delusion

[vague furnace]

Y’all right, the bar is getting higher

[simple elk]

You can look at 10 year salary numbers for people who graduated before/during/after a recession. During always lowest

[teal jackal]

both

[vague furnace]

I have 3.6 gpa and a year ago it was getting me all types of interviews. Now I’m just getting rejection after rejection.

[teal jackal]

market plays a big role for whether or not you do well with a job search

it's bad this year

objectively bad compared to past years

[simple elk]

MFs got foo bar back in 2016

Whiteboarding counting Fibonacci numbers

[smoky lodge]

meta literally stops hiring
@cedar nebula : "it's the same as it's always been, just gotta be top 5% and grind LC 💪 🔥 🔥 "

pure delusion

[teal jackal]

there are more talented people than there are available spaces at target companies

"just be talented bro" is such a cope

but whatever, if it helps u sleep at night

i support u maintaining that belief

[smoky lodge]

if meta stops hiring new grads, then it doesn't matter how hard you grinded leetcode
and missed out on sex in your 20s

an L is an L

don't be a bitch

[teal jackal]

I think under review is underestimating how many competitive applicants are out there for new grad

[vague furnace]

I mean who else hiring…everyone has slowed down.

[teal jackal]

^

[simple elk]

At entry level there are more people capable of that job than there are spots

[smoky lodge]

no, but I think meta is ironically significantly more insulated from market forces than start ups or mid-sized companies

[simple elk]

Not when you go higher

[vague furnace]

Startup I was at had zero headcount for us interns. They didn’t hire any of us.

[teal jackal]

honestly this convo has probably made me lose more brain cells than the talent ive generated in the past to pass resume screening and interviews

[smoky lodge]

you're smart, if the large company that should be more immune to market volalitity than start ups is freezing its hiring, what does that indicate about startup hiring going forward

i'll give you a hint

there's probably not going to be as much

[simple elk]

It means startups are hiring aggressively now right?

[teal jackal]

look man, you can have your cope. but I'm not accepting your cope

[simple elk]

[vague furnace]

Yeah right…

[smoky lodge]

startups who pay their employees by issuing stock

?

would really suck for them if there was a bear market and stock compensation became worthless

[simple elk]

Am memeing ignore

[smoky lodge]

oh wait

[simple elk]

Startups rely on VC and interest rates rising means VC dries up. Startups have to stop hiring/fire to exten runway until they can raise again or raise again without a down round

[smoky lodge]

exactly

[vague furnace]

Yep. Exactly what happened at the startup I was at.

[smoky lodge]

they can't get debt and equity aka stock is not as valuable as it used to be

[simple elk]

Big companies have cash reserves but theres no point in expanding headcount if people aren't buying your products because we're in a recession

Why hire more people to sell less stuff?

[teal jackal]

january 10, 2022
stopped reading

[smoky lodge]

this man literally shared an article about facebook having trouble hiring in early 2021 and used it as evidence that everything if fine

the cope is unreal

[simple elk]

Whats the breakdown in SWE 2/Senior roles vs junior

[teal jackal]

Can we just agree,
you can have your cope, and we accept our reality.

Yeah I'm ending this convo

[smoky lodge]

based

[simple elk]

So hows the weather?

[smoky lodge]

sunny

[teal jackal]

not bad in new england, i just wish it would rain soon

its been super dry here

[livid yew]

yeah idk at this point this is the new normal

just gotta get used to the job market and move forward

[teal jackal]

yeah thats a healthy way to see it

no coping, but accepting reality

[simple elk]

• When things eventually pick back up we'll all have a couple of years of experience

prime poaching time

🙂

[teal jackal]

I think long run, we'll be able to work something out. I just have lowered my standards for new grad.

[livid yew]

i mean yeah around 200/2003 we eventually accepted the reality of 9/11

I am a realist, like usually very blunt about bad stuff lol

[smoky lodge]

"no you don't understand, there are soooo few exceptional SWEs in the world that literally if you keep grinding LC nothing will be different even if places literally aren't hiring"

[livid yew]

I mean tbh so many places are hiring

just because FAANG/SF Startup # 200 is not, many other places are

[smoky lodge]

that's what i was saying

[livid yew]

FAANG is a age 26/27 goal for me lol

[smoky lodge]

like im sure the demand for developers in general is crazy high

[winter loom]

Anyone do the palantir HR call?

[livid yew]

Advice for NGs and Interns: A crappy job is sometimes better than no job

[simple elk]

Being in dev means we go down to normal demand when things get bad, at least we're not marketing or business or something

[teal jackal]

its time to move on from the expectation of swimming in interviews and crazy new grad pay

[livid yew]

lmao I gave up on that months ago and moved on like a normal human

some of you are stuck on this NG pay/interview stuff.

Like bruh you don't think about your morning shit for hours after

[livid yew]

yeah as a 2020 grad I know that, the 2020 hiring was fucked

cause COVID had just started and the entire planet was in crisis

[smoky lodge]

im still gonna takes shots at applying everywhere i can and not just gonna accept the L

[livid yew]

for sure

but like have a backup place, or a smaller local place as a last resort ready to go

tbh I learned more at smaller places, sure pay was lower, but learning has no value

[teal jackal]

I honestly had a better work experience as an intern at my first company, a small local company, than I did at Amazon

I will say that Amazon has a very clean and organized ecosystem, which i learned a lot from

But the small company put me on meaningful production tasks and put me on the team as an equal.

[winter loom]

Palantir recruiter call anyone?

[teal jackal]

I hate to ask, but hows the gap between applying and hearing back at palantir?

I just applied yesterday

[smoky lodge]

complete RNG

[teal jackal]

Did u hear back yet

Or no

[trim jacinth]

i've done it, whats up

[vast rock]

heyhey

I have a palantir recruiter call coming up

Next week

Im actually confused cuz i havent done karat or OA yet

Dont most ppl have kara and oa first?

[livid yew]

OA then karat probably

[vast rock]

After HR call?

[livid yew]

idk tbh

I never interviewed with plantir, so I have no clue

[fickle bridge]

What do I do when a company invited me to fill availability for an interview and then once I did they never got back to me 😕

This is RBI btw

[lapis cove]

idk what rbi means but follow up with recruiter

[fickle bridge]

So I applied through the website and they just sent me an email. I replied to the email as well but nothing

RBI for restaurant brands international

[night magnet]

Has anyone interviewed at appian?

I have mine tomorrow and there's no LC tagged so just curious

[raw wing]

you can a follow up after a couple of days/a week

[pastel bane]

do they have background check for new graduate?

[bleak raven]

is this offer

[late kestrel]

sometimes i spend all morning in bed after pushing out the biggest log known to man kind

[harsh ingot]

Yea

[floral plank]

Maybe or maybe not

[late kestrel]

@bleak raven how was the technical round of your powerday

[floral plank]

Sometimes they call to reject

[bleak raven]

uh got it all

behavioral also i think i did fine?

case i got answer but took a while

[bleak raven]

c1 calls to reject ??

[floral plank]

Yea

[livid yew]

[bleak raven]

naur

[late kestrel]

lc or ood?

[bleak raven]

uhhh tbh idk 💀

it was a mix

i had to design a program

but it wasn’t class based

[winter loom]

C1 doesn’t call to reject

They didn’t even email me to reject

[bleak raven]

howd u get rejected then 💀

[winter loom]

Checked my portal a week later

[bleak raven]

nooo

[winter loom]

That’s the offer my boy

W man’s

[bleak raven]

where did u hear they call to reject

[late kestrel]

yeah honestly calling to reject is so dumb. 99% of the time they call to offer and if that one time they call to reject, thats so heartbreaking

[lament summit]

Damn Pltr calls to reject,

Was it after final(

Oh rip

My first step was recruiter call as well

dw

Recruiter call then karat was my process

[inner prawn]

[outer radish]

Yo has anyone tried applying to amazon like before the summer

Like do the hire for 2023 new grad next year as well?

[vast rock]

I DONT WANNA DO KARAT THO AAAA

i did karat last year

shit was intense

also had all graph questions which was kinda triggering

[simple elk]

Not student programs but you can do industry hire jobs in the spring

Those are start in like < 1 month though

from offer

Technically they say 1 year of experience but at least in the past hiring managers dont care

• you can actually negotiate those offers which is nice

[lament summit]

o

maybe u skipped karat?

but doesnt seem like it

they tell u if u skipped karat

[vast rock]

wait

is industry hire offer usually > university package?

also, does university interviews conflict with industry hire?

cuz amazon being slow asf rn with university pipelin

[forest hatch]

Is amazon updating portals today?

[pallid kernel]

i hope so

this is my third day since the interview

im gonna be worried if theres no update today

but yeah i heard they usually update mon/wed/fri so there should be a good chance they update today

[bleak raven]

what’s the TC

[whole berry]

I’m watching your arc with great interest

Now I’m invested as much as you are

Might drink tonight if you don’t get it

[simple elk]

Industry hire has lower min and higher max

[surreal shuttle]

Same

[knotty folio]

I'm also rooting for you 🍣🔨

[simple elk]

Amazon blackout time is 6 months so as long as you finish process before Nov/Dec you can do industry apps in May

I think the sde1 band is like 160 - 220 at zon

dependng on COL

[whole zinc]

akuna is asking for the compensation details of my amazon and capital offer. what do i tell them?

[simple elk]

SP is mid band for the location

[simple elk]

dont tell

[whole zinc]

so i just say, “can’t tell you”?

[simple elk]

actually idrk

[jaunty snow]

128.5k starting

[silk cape]

Does palantir accept the Karat redos? I got rejected before the day of my redo 😔

[simple elk]

i don't think they'll lowball based off of big tech offers being lower than theirs

but I don't think C1 or Zon offers would get you a higher offer

[vapid bridge]

Did anyone give Amazon grad 2023 interview recently?

[simple elk]

it can't help you to tell them but it might piss them off if you dont

[whole berry]

Don’t say that

You have an offer from akuna?

[bleak raven]

bruh

🥜🥜🥜

[whole zinc]

my recruiter says they’re preparing my offer but they’re telling me if i can share my other offers details with them before they give me it

[whole berry]

Ok so you don’t even know what their offer is

[whole zinc]

yep

i think they’re trying to see how low they can go

[whole berry]

Confirm with others in full time but say I’m very interested in receiving the industry average from akuna (along the lines of this)

[simple elk]

Yeah I would lab some response thats basically "I'd like to evaluate your offer independent of my other opportunites"

[whole berry]

And then bargain from there

[simple elk]

This too

[whole zinc]

or i can fake my amazon comp info

[whole berry]

With akuna i wouldn’t try that without asking some seasoned vets

Akuna is good with money

[whole zinc]

i see

[whole zinc]

i guess i’ll just go with this

[jaunty snow]

anyone else interview with amazon yesterday?

[pallid kernel]

how did it go

[simple elk]

184, 178, 174, 174

[whole zinc]

i’m not sure how to calculate but for Y1 it’s 185

[simple elk]

@raw wing

Technically 192 with relo

[jaunty snow]

id say pretty good! was able to plan up a soln for the problem they gave me, coded it up, went over edge cases and revisions, felt okay about it. second was ood and felt really good about this one, my interviewer was really chill

[whole zinc]

on levels it shows they usually give 225-250

[jaunty snow]

now just stressed about portal update haha

[simple elk]

I just don't think it helps for them to tell

[pallid kernel]

yeah thats prob the worst part, the waiting

[simple elk]

Since Zon is lower it won't make their number higher

[pallid kernel]

i felt like i did okay but im still shitting up my ass waiting for the update

[jaunty snow]

yeah :/ when did you interview?

[pallid kernel]

friday

so 3 days rn for me

[jaunty snow]

dang, well i heard rejections are sent out within 48hrs so you should be good no?

just a waiting game at that point haha i still gotta wait another 36hrs or something lol

[forest hatch]

I interviewed on Augest 23

still no update

[pallid kernel]

what location?

hell yeah thank you

this makes me feel so much better

[jaunty snow]

Dang, I most likely won’t hear back today, hopefully I hear on Friday

[lavish laurel]

When did you have your final?

[jaunty snow]

Yesterday l

[lavish laurel]

Had mine on Monday, hoping to hear back today

[forest hatch]

@pallid kernel @cedar nebula Van same

[pallid kernel]

same van here too

[lavish laurel]

Hoping for Detroit or remote

[pallid kernel]

but van also has a huge ass office

and tbh we applied pretty early

so i doubt they're full already

[outer radish]

Can confirm van is sick

Free office coffee

[pallid kernel]

SAP also gives free office coffe

i steal 4 cups a day

[outer radish]

Whats the toronto office like

[marble bronze]

French

[outer radish]

Gotta get ur moneys worth

Yeah

Its mad expensive out here

[marble bronze]

Just move to Seattle instead

[pallid kernel]

where u at rn

[outer radish]

Bought four peaches for 8 dollars

[marble bronze]

And then commute to Vancouver

[pallid kernel]

tbh if i dont get vancouver im declining the offer

i dont want to move anywhere else

[outer radish]

💀

West coast living

Tbh i might just go industry hire for spring

Back to amazon

[pallid kernel]

same

[lament summit]

@frigid ember how long does it take after hm to hear back for palantir

did it yesterday and having extreme post interview anxiety

EXTREME

[stuck compass]

Did you do karat or the onsite?

[lament summit]

Hiring manager round

So after karat and on site

[errant gorge]

spaceX recruiter not calling me 🤔

[kindred ether]

Nice

[errant gorge]

even though the meeting was scheduled 30 mins ago

[marble bronze]

How long did it take for y'all to get power day after OA for C1 btw?

[blissful sonnet]

how long does is usually take after applying to get an amazon oa?

[tardy geode]

no specific time , its rng i feel

[lament summit]

Anywhere from week of to 2 months lol

[pallid kernel]

took me 20 days

[blissful sonnet]

aight thanks! mine so far says "application submitted", applied Aug 9

[lament summit]

Did u finish hm?

[blissful sonnet]

new grad

[sudden depot]

wdym by this? announcing layoffs or new grad positions?

cool cool

where did you hear this? im just curious

[marble bronze]

Inb4 both are announced today

Btw @sudden depot was the reject after OA or final, and if OA when did you take it?

For jpmc*

[west egret]

It's okay you can afford your own 🍌

[sour night]

I finished my OA on Aug 4 with a. 762 and still have yet to hear back lol

[marble bronze]

Damn, guess that follow up period is long

[lament summit]

what companies that use codesignal are out now

[marble bronze]

Someone mentioned 3 weeks, though that's where you're at right now

[marble bronze]

Roblox, C1, Circle, Netflix(?), Block

[lament summit]

block is out?

[sour night]

Yup it varies

[lament summit]

is 826 enough for block?

[marble bronze]

Not sure about Block actually, might have just been for the Code signal exploit

[lament summit]

yeahhh

i used that

XD

u text ur recruiter?

[lapis cove]

yea he texted me

[lament summit]

ohh

[lapis cove]

before the onsite

[lament summit]

i see

[marble bronze]

Slide into their DMs

The usual

[lament summit]

xd

[lapis cove]

ill prob do one more follow up with an email to see whats up, expecting another offer this week tho so ill wait for that so i can also share the deadline

but this shit got me anxious

[lament summit]

what offer

[sudden depot]

resume screen reject

[marble bronze]

[frigid ember]

you’ll get a call from your recruiter a couple days after probably

then they’ll tell you if you move onto founders review

but by that stage you already have the offer

[bleak raven]

west coast hating

[weak latch]

I can’t wait to get the Roblox reject lmaoooo

[desert edge]

My on-site didn’t have the creative problem as well. Maybe it’s normal?

[weak latch]

I sent a 718 codesignal 💀💀

[green bronze]

Deer > GCA

[west egret]

I mean at least you won't have to do their cognitive assessment with that game simulation thing

At least that's what they had last year

[green bronze]

We did

[weak latch]

I did that

It’s all together

[green bronze]

That was part of the OA

[west egret]

💀

I hated that

[green bronze]

Deer aids

[sudden depot]

guys, what should I expect in a relational data modeling exercise for an interview?

[green bronze]

Sql

[west egret]

Type in lower case to establish dominance

[lapis cove]

oh interesting, maybe documentation just is outdated

when did u interview btw?

[weak latch]

It was so aids

Cognitive assessment was so ass

[desert edge]

August 23rd

[simple elk]

car game was fun

[lapis cove]

aight mine was the 29th so let me know if/when u hear back pls

ill dm u

[weak latch]

Yeah it was fun

[simple elk]

Having to download roblox to do it was lame though

[frigid ember]

wait you actually had to play roblox as part of the roblox interview process?

[simple elk]

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-default-dance-reakize-funny-epic-gif-15733286

[frigid ember]

that’s kinda pog

anything for that $250k ng

[simple elk]

paper 250

nvm they public now

real 250

[forest hatch]

Is rejection possible after amazon 30 minutes?

[abstract monolith]

What happened? I saw only one guys one Reddit say he got rejected

[hasty birch]

It's possible, but very unlikely

[lament summit]

founders review?

[glad thunder]

Is google leetcode tagged accurate for ng onsite

[ruby plover]

do you know what time they are making a decision?

[teal jackal]

should i worry about my apps yet? how long does it take to go from apply to interview phase

[late kestrel]

anywhere from a few days to months. might as well start now if thats what youre asking

[teal jackal]

i started applying last thursday, 6 days ago

i have around 15 sent out

including some sent today

[simple elk]

Do you have Zon return?

[low scroll]

what do i need to know for bloomberg first round?

[teal jackal]

nope.....

[simple elk]

rip then no need to worry yet

Its worry time in like Feb or March

Thats when it gets slim

[marble bronze]

It's probably not a huge problem yet. Most folks with offers are return or applied omega early. Looks like some are reaching interviews with certain companies (C1, Bloomberg, Amazon and Palantir), but it's still early imo

[raw wing]

keep going. worrying does u no good

just apply

[ruby plover]

has anybody done JPMC superday for new grad?

[dire yarrow]

[simple elk]

https://github.com/yhiumy/New-Grad-2023 here is github if you need

[teal jackal]

I've been using the coderquad one

Ah, this one is more actively updated

Coderquad one has like 20 pull requests on backlog

[late kestrel]

just look at the pull requests too

oop

[teal jackal]

Thanks Jon

[weak latch]

This one is better

[simple elk]

Yeah its the same as coderquad just not behind lol. Easier than checking prs every time

[fluid bloom]

How long is Amazon final round delayed for?

[slate bobcat]

rejected so not the look

it was kinda cool for like the first 10 minutes, then it got frustrating

[frigid ember]

yeah you get your application reviewed by a founder of the company

but usually just a stamp of approval

[lament summit]

oh damn

by the man myth the legend alex karp

[sudden depot]

did u hear any news of new grad positions for twilio?

[west egret]

Why? Is it work culture related?

Oh Twilio is mostly remote?

[azure zephyr]

snap laid off 20% of their employees today jeeze

^^^

are you planning on interviewing at other places besides those two?

gotcha gotcha

[knotty folio]

Is reneging harder/more complicated if the company is going to sponsor a visa for me?

[vernal dome]

does StubHub send OA to everyone automatically

[knotty folio]

That makes sense, so as long as I have enough lead time to get the visa secured, I should be okay?

Will do. Thanks!

[errant karma]

I remember we were grinding for internships together. Hopefully you get it. You might need it to negotiate somewhere else

I am still waiting for my Goldman return but I will probably not take it

Microsoft, Uber, And everything else except fintech or finance

[chilly burrow]

Sentry phone

My friend got one

[errant karma]

You too

[lapis cove]

when did he do OA?

[chilly burrow]

Prob a week after apps opened

[lapis cove]

so like earlier this week?

or is it for ML engineer

[chilly burrow]

Sentry not Scale

[gaunt elbow]

Anyone give the OA for Akuna Python Dev? - front running detector?

[lapis cove]

oh

mb im silly

[bleak raven]

guys look at #2023_summer 💀

some crazy shit is going down

[static moth]

bro thats the hardest i laughed all week

[lapis cove]

whats sentry tc

[static moth]

edit: against server rules so i am removing the link in this message

if u guys wanna see

[peak ferry]

thank you

[calm shale]

give tldr

someone streamed interview or something?

[bleak raven]

yes

[static moth]

check twitch link i sent above

[bleak raven]

streamed interview, and people joined coderpad link

[bleak raven]

last 2 min of vod are peak twitch

cant believe i witnessed live

[peak ferry]

I mean I'm sure he had to have anticipated this right

[bleak raven]

no clue 😭

[peak ferry]

u can't be a streamer and assume twitch chat isn't gonna fuck with u lmaoo

[smoky lodge]

So meta is hiring at some point?

[teal jackal]

Lucky bro

I wish my uni would have one

[dire yarrow]

Go there and ask them. Ask them why they froze hiring

[smoky lodge]

I press register now and then nothing happens

No listed sessions or anything

[teal jackal]

I could never be the one to do it tbh

Nah I don't have the courage

[smoky lodge]

the only other time meta went to a career fair near me was when I was in freshman year

And I literally asked the stupidest questions and had no idea wtf I was doing

[humble pebble]

meta came to my uni wanting security engineers back in 2020, I asked them for advice on how to break into swe lol

don't think they ever turned up after that

[smoky lodge]

I looked the recruiter dead in the eyes and asked “is getting the internship competitive” and they said “no”

[teal jackal]

But tbh I cleared meta resume screening for summer 2022

So I feel like I could do it again with referral

Or cold email my recruiter again

Depending on whenever they open again

[lament summit]

these interns wildin

[smoky lodge]

It’s also possible that they just show up at the career fair to say hi and make connections and aren’t actually hiring

The fact that there’s no sessions listed yet is super odd

[shrewd ivy]

ayo anyone know if/when tictok ng is open?

[dire yarrow]

Tictoktoe

[stray lark]

Is there any way to work for spacex as Canadian

Do you need to have PhD or smth

Or is it impossible

[lapis cove]

@chilly burrow did u get a confirmation on finish duolingo untapped? its not showing in my applied jobs on there

[marble bronze]

Sorry, they froze the info session too

[smoky lodge]

[chilly burrow]

no but i tink dats normal

[autumn ridge]

What is the duolingo untapped?

[lapis cove]

u basically refill out the application for no particular reason

[marble bronze]

Untapped is some weird LinkedIn with more DEI I think

[lapis cove]

yea its so they can get extra DEI data basically

[chilly burrow]

its so recruiters can filter you by your ethnicity 💀

[autumn ridge]

ahh I see. Kinda like the netflix app

[lapis cove]

URM?

[prime palm]

is datadog largely urm based

[chilly burrow]

idk wat urm means

[marble bronze]

Under represented minorities?

[bright tartan]

ye they did a resume drop at my uni too

[marble bronze]

The m might stand for something else tho

[bright tartan]

i'd take meta in a heartbeat

[peak bluff]

Any advice on how to prepare for AWS OA?

[prime palm]

i'm sure it's extremely limited in capacity

i was interning this summer and it's a super grim outlook

[bright tartan]

😭

[prime palm]

10k hc --> 7k

[bright tartan]

wow

[prime palm]

most interns won't come back

[marble bronze]

That doesn't sound bad

[prime palm]

only hiring top 10-15% or so

[prime palm]

for the entire company for all of 2023

they intended on 10k but it dropped 30%

[marble bronze]

Oh.

[prime palm]

• it could go lower

[marble bronze]

Oh dear

[peak bluff]

Is there a specific list on leetcode for OAs?

[prime palm]

• there's a focus on senior roles and not junior roles

so how much of that 7k is really going to be new grads? idk

[marble bronze]

just leetcode, maybe Amazon tagged idk ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[bright tartan]

i don't even have a faang internship on my resume, life looking grim asf

[floral plank]

did aws open new grad app?

I thought only amazon did

[marble bronze]

I wonder if MetaU will even open this year

[prime palm]

tbh even with faang it's hard

[prime palm]

yes, it will

[peak bluff]

Yeah

[prime palm]

interns are cheap

20k for some free labour

new grads are expensive

[peak bluff]

i don’t have the premium 👉🏻👈🏻

[bright tartan]

exactly 😭

[prime palm]

i didn't even get amazon oa and i literally used to work there

[marble bronze]

Then what hope is there for the rest of us

Weren't you the one with WAGMI in nickname

Tell me that I'm gonna make it

[midnight jetty]

Any idea on how is Systems Development Engineer interview for AWS ?

[torn escarp]

anyone has issues with Duolingo's Untapped link? I tried to click the submit application button but it kept telling me event not found.

[night magnet]

Wtf

[bright tartan]

oh my gosh

bro

[late kestrel]

https://leetcode-company-tagged.vercel.app/ sort by frequency

[bright tartan]

and people out here saying amazon's bar is on the floor this year

[late kestrel]

or use the bot in #leetcode-bot

[night magnet]

Someone posted a list of T50 tagged a week or so ago

[peak bluff]

Great thanks

[marble bronze]

The problem is: so is the stock market

[peak bluff]

where to find that?

[teal jackal]

i removed my ethnicity from my untapped account but it doesnt matter since my name is a dead giveaway that im an ORM

[prime palm]

@teal jackal just say you're lgtbq+

easy

[prime palm]

not rejected, just waiting still, but it's been like 2-3 weeks since i applied

im hoping just backlogged

[teal jackal]

do u actually have to have diagnosis papers for shit like autism for you to self-identify as it on job apps?

shit

[sudden depot]

do you think passing 9 out of 12 test cases is enough on codility

[teal jackal]

well looks like im gonna speedrun an autism diagnosis

i have a valid case for it though

ive just never done it since i didnt feel like i needed a diagnosis before

[lapis cove]

cap

[peak ferry]

if everyone with autism was diagnosed they'd probably be an ORM in SWE

[teal jackal]

id only do it to get bonus points for DEI hiring tbh

[prime palm]

bruh what

[teal jackal]

i get by in life enough

[old smelt]

its so rng 😦 i have a much better resume than last year and it's taking much longer to get the OA

[peak ferry]

wait are you like 100% blind or like mostly blind? kinda curious how that works w.r.t. coding

[late kestrel]

tbf everyone has a better resume than last year 😉

[teal jackal]

tbh its about time the neurodivergent have a good career path that works more often than not

[sudden depot]

do you think passing 9 out of 12 test cases is enough on codility

[teal jackal]

prob not but depends on the problem and company

[late kestrel]

we had a legally blind paralympian in our hr department this summer, he just zoomed in really fast on places when he needed to read

[teal jackal]

i just am not sure how the whole voluntary self identification thing works for disability-related DEI

[peak ferry]

gotcha, I had the scary thought that I'd be totally fucked for my career if I was 100% blind like my eyes were gouged out. ik some people can code with some assistive tech, but my brain is slow/memory bad and I think I'd be super boned without vision

[teal jackal]

if voluntary self identification doesnt require formal paperwork and an official diagnosis, i might consider checking off "yes i have a disability"

ah

i see

[lapis cove]

on untapped they do tho

[teal jackal]

^

[lapis cove]

but yea the stuff in normal job apps isnt for recruiters

[peak ferry]

I've only seen a single place (m$) actually actively hire neurodivergent people, everywhere else it just seems like they're tracking for statistics

[teal jackal]

yeah i have to "self diagnose" until i have my own health insurance because my parents will never let me get a diagnosis

i plan on getting a diagnosis once whatever job i get gives me their health insurance plan

[peak ferry]

getting diagnosed as an adult just seems to provide 0 utility if you're doing OK in life, so I haven't really considered it

[teal jackal]

true

[peak ferry]

no i gotchu, I just mean if I couldn't see at all and I had a screen reader or smth I'd be literally unable to code

[teal jackal]

tbh yeah youre right skillet, i probably wouldnt even know what accomodations id ask for, if i even needed any.

yeah

i have a feeling that not everyone is ready to accept autistic people as equals in the workplace either
So imma just keep my mouth shut

exactly

nobody needs to know

if i dont need them to know

[chilly burrow]

i tink it woud be comparable to snap canada

[teal jackal]

im training myself to have zero personality in front of people i know irl but not well enough to be friends

[chilly burrow]

but idk 4 a fact

its 190k or smth

[teal jackal]

being myself in front of non-friends irl doesnt end well usually

[chilly burrow]

r u rlly dat cringe?

unfortunate

[peak ferry]

ehhh idk about 0 personality, but yes I behave as inoffensively and milquetoast as possible when in professional enviroments

[chilly burrow]

is it rlly?

dont only moms use it?

[teal jackal]

i dont feel like storytelling, so ill just say that my personality in hs stuck out like a sore thumb

[chilly burrow]

ya so is FB, but i wouldn't say its a gr8 product lol

[teal jackal]

makes me cringe even when i look back at it

[chilly burrow]

rip

[peak ferry]

I hope that's kinda normal.

[chilly burrow]

i was very cringe

[teal jackal]

i think it is actually Lmaooo

[chilly burrow]

i tink im jus kinda cringe now

not very

[teal jackal]

what does pinterest even do? I cant figure out for the life of me how that damn site works

every link on pinterest is broken

[errant karma]

ads

[teal jackal]

what a product, i could make one too

[old smelt]

NG is ~150k CAD

[chilly burrow]

every ad company is down

[chilly burrow]

damn dat low?

[teal jackal]

tru

[marble bronze]

Tru

[chilly burrow]

i thot itd be comparable to snap

[old smelt]

doordash and coinbase are ~170 so its not super low

[teal jackal]

i thought Snap and Pinterest USA pay super well

[lapis cove]

headlands rejected me after i opened and closed their oa without writing a line of code

how rude

[prime palm]

Fucking hell I wish Pinterest and coinbase would open already

[sudden depot]

yea it was for stubhub. i totally missed an edge case lol

[chilly burrow]

dats wer da money is

[errant karma]

snap is on a deadbed

[old smelt]

also around 170k but you can pick cash/equity split, so you can have 170k base

[teal jackal]

are u guys talking about canada still, or US, or both?

[marble bronze]

Everyone out here looking for 200k+ I'm here fighting for my life for anything lmao

[teal jackal]

ah

gotchu

[old smelt]

Nuro goes up there, Stripe, Faire i think

[chilly burrow]

Rippling, Sentry, Nuro, Ripple, Databricks, Snowflake all prob pay well for Cad

they were supposed to by now

so who knows when

[nocturne oriole]

[old smelt]

they said in greylock it would be by end of august, but doesnt seem like it yet

[prime palm]

Stripe most likely isn't doing new grad this year

[teal jackal]

i feel like its just weird to use snapchat once youre graduated from college
snap gives me kids app vibes

[prime palm]

Asked an intern buddy

They had an internal email saying

Get fucked

[teal jackal]

Burger King's app is SO BAD
it is so laggy on android, mcdonalds doesnt give me this shit
and besides, burger king pulled the ch'king, the only good thing they have on their menu

[old smelt]

Nuro return is up in the air too lol, I only find out in a few weeks. Perf review was best it can be but headcount is low

[lusty jewel]

anyone know how the figma byteboard works

[late kestrel]

mcd hq is pretty cool and in a nice location

[static moth]

slack, asana, okta too

[teal jackal]

the reason i say that tbh is because i was salty that i got a bad whopper last monday

[chilly burrow]

nah they said they opening apps soon

recently

[teal jackal]

shit i lost my receipt

fuck

[chilly burrow]

they said they hiring ngs in a recruiter event

so idk

[static moth]

nah they arent.

source: recruiter (tldr i was put on waitlist after intern onsite last year cuz headcount but ended up withdrawing out of process. this year recruiter hopefully lets me expedite for ng)

[drifting pelican]

Is there suppose to be a some type of a graph where you can see all the 2023_grad_processes?

[peak ferry]

lots of places may not be frozen, but their headcount is fucked regardless

[old smelt]

no shot

[static moth]

155k-160k

cad

[teal jackal]

$3500/mo to share a room with a family of 30 cockroaches

eh

[chilly burrow]

https://www.cscareers.dev/process-tracking/2023-new-grad

[teal jackal]

fuq u mean? in this economy we'll be sharing the house with both

[marble bronze]

Cscareersdev website

[static moth]

i spoke to a return intern last year. got numbers from them lol

the same numbers

[teal jackal]

rats are scarier than roaches
roaches are scarier than ants
ants dont scare me that much tbh

[static moth]

pre negotiation

[teal jackal]

me too, what problem did u have?

i got cucked by the random select problem, where the optimal extension is to use binary search

my problem WAS on leetcode

i have ptsd from that problem

[static moth]

idk difference in TC between external and return. but return was 155-160k .so maybe subtract 5-10k for non returm

[teal jackal]

the trauma

haha

[drifting pelican]

Does anyone have app link to Stubhub?

[teal jackal]

my interviewer wanted the interview to end asap, cut the interview as soon as the problems were over

meta usually does 2 problems in one interview right

[static moth]

idk

[teal jackal]

i did 2 problems, 1 interview

aced the first problem, forgot what the problem is

[prime palm]

Yes

2 lc med in 45

[teal jackal]

got a working answer for the second, failed to get optimal solution

yeah

[prime palm]

Not true

[teal jackal]

learned that the hard way

[prime palm]

I gave optimal 1st and not optimal 2nd

Still passed

Just communicate well

[teal jackal]

hm, i guess its case by case

[prime palm]

Possibly

[teal jackal]

but on average, optimal solution is the norm

and the expectation

[marble bronze]

IIRC you can email meta to get your interview feedback

[prime palm]

It's the same way people say "they don't ask DP" but that's not true

[teal jackal]

^

[peak ferry]

I legit don't know why people say this bc afaik it's unsubstantiated

[teal jackal]

grokking has a DP module

[prime palm]

It is supposed to be

Because in our interviewing emails

[teal jackal]

im planning on working on grokking dp this fall

[prime palm]

It literally says

[waxen bolt]

Yo has anyone gotten an 850 on codesignal? How do you actually get full score? Do you just have to solve every problem in like 20 minutes or something crazy

[prime palm]

"No systems design no dynamic programming"

But interviewers don't honour that

[peak ferry]

lul ok ic

that's actually unfortunate tbh

[prime palm]

I literally don't think it's possible, highest I've ever seen was an 849 and the guy finished the entire test in 9 minutes

(He saw all 4 questions before so it was essentially just writing from memory)

[waxen bolt]

Jesus christ

[prime palm]

Yeah

He's a CPer

So

Because that's the max

Lol

Yes

He's seen all 4 before

[uncut umbra]

what do you need on the codesignal for hrt

[prime palm]

In and out in 9 minutes all optimal

849 is the cap I swear

[waxen bolt]

Yeah cuz even when you complete all questions 300/300 you get docked for time to code

[prime palm]

If I ever saw an 850 I'll eat my foot

[peak ferry]

interviewers may also be playing kinda funny with "dp" cuz imo recursive memo solutions are like usually reasonable asks, and u can get to the recursive unmemo'd solution with no dp knowledge at all

[waxen bolt]

Honestly scoring based on how quickly it took is stupid. They give you 70 minutes so if you do it in that timeframe who cares

[prime palm]

same lmfao

when did u applu(

[teal jackal]

amazon is rng

for how long it takes to hear back

[prime palm]

OH wtf

When did you apply when did you get OA?

Still haven't heard shit wtf

I applied to Amazon new grad on 08.19 and still nothing

[simple elk]

dw about pip

Just don't be the worst engineer out of every 20 engineers

[prime palm]

Yo

You know what's funny

[scenic mason]

my gf got roblox final with 825 codesignal lol

[prime palm]

When I was interning at fb, my friend's manager, had a heard attack lol

At 35

Heart

I guess not funny

But more worrisome

Shouldn't waste our lives on coding

And TC

U gon die

[uncut umbra]

at the 35 the world's dead anyway

[prime palm]

How did she do on the games

[prime palm]

Tbh yeah

[uncut umbra]

you think we'll survive 15 years the way it is rn?

[prime palm]

Def not

[old smelt]

we'll all be making >300k in like 5 years anyway so it really doesnt matter too much

[uncut umbra]

the third largest river in the world is drying up

[scenic mason]

she did very good'

[prime palm]

Yeah

[uncut umbra]

a third of the state of pakistan is underwater

half of europe's water supply is gone

it's insane

[peak ferry]

I appreciate ur optimism lul

[prime palm]

Yo

It's so fucking got these days

Hot

[lapis cove]

gotta get that high tc now so u can make it into the climate bunkers

[teal jackal]

How long was your final

1x30?

Ah

[west egret]

Bro I literally hardcoded a test case last season on Amazon OA

My code was return 1

[prime palm]

mmmmmmm wow

[teal jackal]

Is 1x30 still the norm for people who ace OAs?

[prime palm]

July 22 it was open huh

[west egret]

I still got final

[teal jackal]

[uncut umbra]

is 781 good enough for hrt codesignal

I expect not but fuck it

I'm not taking another one

[old smelt]

might be enough with a great resume, they always screen after OA

[prime palm]

idts...unless your resume is insane

I hope I get the fucking 1x30 sigh

I need a safety new

[uncut umbra]

ok then bless, I have faang and go to a top 5 school hopefully they move me on lmao

[prime palm]

Bet

[old smelt]

might also be OA2 performance

[prime palm]

Net

[west egret]

1x30 is supposed to be just a code explanation right?

[hazy gull]

its rng

I aced oa

got 2*60

[prime palm]

u alr take?

[hazy gull]

2*60 is also free

U will have 1 medium and 1 ood

likely

[prime palm]

☠️☠️☠️☠️

I don't wanna do Leetcode

I just want a free pass

[hazy gull]

I got offer in july

1 biz day after my final

[pallid kernel]

i still dont have anything either 😭

[hazy gull]

goodluck

if u solved both technical u should be good

optimally

thats offer then

doesnt matter

[prime palm]

000:

[hazy gull]

Oh

then maybe not

idk

they want full optimal usually

hopefully u crushed ur behav

I had bad behav, but optimal both techs

[teal jackal]

I hope your good RNG train continues into team placement and you get a chill team

[pallid kernel]

me too

[hazy gull]

ya i never got that validation during my behav

[pallid kernel]

my interviewer said i had "very good" stories so hoping that carries me

[hazy gull]

ur fine

[pallid kernel]

i guess we will find out in 3 hours, hopefully

[hazy gull]

urs sounds like offer @cedar nebula not sure tho

[pallid kernel]

i cannot chill

until they update my portal

[hazy gull]

just go to sleep

[pallid kernel]

im at work refreshing it KEK

[teal jackal]

Codesignal is aware that their entire platform is a RNG dice roll

14 day cool down is to protect the company

Otherwise everyone would have an 800

Ah I remember those days

Best of luck man

[smoky lodge]

if you apply to codesignal do they make you take a codesignal gca

[teal jackal]

Presumably

[prime palm]

Dub

[teal jackal]

Only good thing about codesignal IMO is that they don't do hidden test cases

[chilly burrow]

nah u need us work auth

[bleak raven]

i think i’m tripping cuz it’s 2022 dates

[pallid kernel]

cant canadians simply obtain a TN visa

[bleak raven]

that have passed

[pallid kernel]

which they basically hand out at the border

[chilly burrow]

its an internship tho

so not elgigble for TN

[pallid kernel]

o

[chilly burrow]

hmm its says 2022 and 2023

so idk

[glossy basin]

has anyone done interview with amazon robotics ng 2022 dec role?

[bleak raven]

i think this just last years posting

and they didn’t update

[chilly burrow]

oh ya i tink ur rite

mb

[abstract monolith]

Where’d you hear that? I had 1 x 30 for Canada last wed still “under review”

[prime palm]

afaik not that much different from Amazon

[old vector]

is there a repo for PMs and full time?

[errant gorge]

does anyone know if there is a link for block new grad? Thanks

[marble bronze]

What the actual fuck is Hirevue's OA platform

[late kestrel]

awful. thats what it is

[teal jackal]

dogshit lmao

[late kestrel]

enjoy your "["15/n"/t,"5\n"]" bullshit ass input

[marble bronze]

"Yeah just read it in from standard input" how about you use standard practices and use a testing library

[lofty tangle]

does this mean anything at all? Havent received OA - applied July 19.

in university portal its still submitted

[raw wing]

I mean reading in from stdin is kinda fine

[late kestrel]

what portal is that

[lofty tangle]

account.amazon.jobs

[shrewd ivy]

my cap1 interview power day is in NOvember!? damn that is like a 2 month wait wtf

are they just having too many people or something

[bleak raven]

yeaaaaaa i had to push for earlier

said i had competing offer

slid me in

[shrewd ivy]

sadly no competing offers rn

[river harbor]

Man I have applied on 29th June and still haven't received anything from Amazon :"(

[teal jackal]

What's the hype with c1

Why is everyone applying

[raw wing]

They hire lots of devs and pay p good

[knotty folio]

I think c1's app->final rate is really high (hence being booked til Nov lol)

[teal jackal]

Makes sense

[blissful sonnet]

is it ethical to discuss OA problems in this server somewhere?

[raw wing]

Technically not allowed

[blissful sonnet]

I always get TLE on #4 on codesignals and wonder how it is even possible to speed things up

[bleak raven]

usually involves a better data structure

[teal jackal]

Probably bottlenecking at the data structure

Brute force on q4 traditionally isn't so hard

Sometimes it can be hard to even brute force it

[eternal mortar]

I did, I'm thinking it's because I took a codesignal test the year before for the intern position. That or they really liked my resume(but I'm assuming it's the first thing)

[slate bobcat]

Yeah

I went a recruiter prep call and they said they’re looking to hire a lot

so don’t worry too much about having a late interview

[marble bronze]

Damn, I haven't even heard back from them at all

[gilded vortex]

Yeah I got a 846 on the codesignal a month ago and haven't heard back

[deft crow]

Guys help I’m scared :<

[cerulean basin]

You can only use this command in 2022_winter_intern_process, 2022_summer_intern_process, 2022_grad_process, 2022_fall_intern_process, 2023_summer_intern_process, 2023_winter_intern_process, 2023_grad_process

[errant karma]

you got this

[silver elbow]

same here

[chilly burrow]

Gl

[deft crow]

Thank you gamers

[chilly burrow]

Yo is ur profile a black dresses reference?

[deft crow]

YES

I FUCKING LOVE BLACK DRESSES

[low scroll]

is c1 a gca

[raw wing]

Yes

[low scroll]

what score you need

[raw wing]

Sorry what lol

lead

[deft crow]

I was interviewing for a "Game Engine Engineer" position at Bytedance VR R&D and the recruiter was like "hmm I think I might have a better position for you"

and now here I am

I am so confused

[low scroll]

wtf

you're a new grad?

[deft crow]

Yea I grad this december

This is the only interview I've managed to get

[low scroll]

lead engineer

damn bruh

[deft crow]

I feel like this has to be a mistake

I did

not do great on that interview

Update:

I guess I'm doing this now

[lilac siren]

[low scroll]

god damn

homie starting off as a lead eng

[chilly burrow]

Really?

Even with ur resume?

[deft crow]

Yea

[chilly burrow]

Damn 😔

Looks bad for me den

[deft crow]

Getting ghosted or rejected by everyone

[chilly burrow]

R u only aiming for ar/vr roles?

[deft crow]

A few general SWE roles

But mostly AR/VR

[lapis cove]

a specialized king

[deft crow]

Salty cause I got rejected by State Farm AR/VR

[marble bronze]

Dang

[chilly burrow]

Damn

[deft crow]

But yea, you’ll prob be fine, you’re also prev Snap

[marble bronze]

I mean then again I think a lot of people from today are prev Snap

[deft crow]

Lmao

Yea

[thick shell]

Why is New Grad so fucking rough this year lmaoo

[chilly burrow]

Recession 😭

[marble bronze]

Line go down

[deft crow]

May be a clown but highkey still want to return to Snap Lmao

[chilly burrow]

A bunch of companies ain't doing new grad

[thick shell]

Unfucking fortunate

[deft crow]

Or if someone can get me into Apple AR/VR 🙏

[thick shell]

We gonna make it guys and gals 🙏🏾

Stripe New Grad and Asana New Grad out or nah? I saw intern was open

[marble bronze]

I just need a job

[low scroll]

bruh akuna oa is in java

[thick shell]

or are they even hiring new grads this year

[marble bronze]

Catch me in 6 months eyeing up Revature

[chilly burrow]

Stripe ain't doing new grad apparently

[thick shell]

No fucking way 💀

Gg's

[chilly burrow]

Twitch ain't

Snap ain't

Twitter (prob not)

[deft crow]

Meta prob won’t

[thick shell]

I want to cry lmaoooo

[marble bronze]

At least not until next year

[thick shell]

Covid, money printing and its long term effects

[marble bronze]

I mean, we've had like nearly a decade of insane growth stonks wise before COVID, it was probably bound to come down at some point

But I didn't want it to go down as I graduated

[chilly burrow]

Same 😭

[bleak raven]

did msft not give u return

[thick shell]

Nah broski

[bleak raven]

[thick shell]

Will grind just as hard though, we'll see what happens but I think I'll get something

Hopefully

[inner prawn]

a decade of tech stock depression incoming?

time to switch to medicine?

[marble bronze]

Bro if that happens that would actually be tragic

[inner prawn]

gonna have to go for all cash offers lol

[bleak raven]

refer me to bbg

[buoyant herald]

2021 folks got railed the most imo

August 2021 was like peak bubble of everything

Their equity compensation is losing value like crazy

[thick shell]

2017- 2019 was probably prime time for New Grad SWE's

Mfing Google and FB throwing 240k+ new grad offers

Actually not sure about Google but FB rockstar return was probably cracked I think

[bleak raven]

and facebook stock was on a huge bull

[buoyant herald]

Imagine being a 2021 meta new grad

[thick shell]

Real shit !

[inner prawn]

I know quite a few, aint pretty

[gilded dust]

Im so stressed from my internship

[bleak raven]

TC reduced to atoms

[gilded dust]

3 days in, how will I ever complete my two projects lmao. Feeling imposter syndrome hard 😵

[teal jackal]

DAMN GL

[buoyant herald]

you mean three days left?

[gilded dust]

No three days in

[teal jackal]

Omg failed to get return offer gang

I'm sorry to hear

[teal jackal]

Only 3 days, be proactive and don't be afraid to ask dumb questions

If you think a question is dumb, ask anyways

[shut crescent]

anyone get return offers from their internships yet?

[gilded dust]

Yeah, there’s just sooo many new tools I have to learn + like 5 hours of security + conduct videos to complete 😩😩

[thick shell]

We gone be straight, just got be scrappy this season 🙏🏾

[bleak raven]

do u want the return offer or nah

[buoyant herald]

bruh robinhood made me wait like 4 months as a winter intern and finally concluded p e r h a p s. I'm on some waitlist or something

[teal jackal]

Be proactive and ask questions with the intention of learning the ecosystem

You're 3 days in, tons of time to learn

I learned from my mistakes at Amazon