2023_grads

[jaunty snow]

I got 2x60 as well, does that relate to OA scores?

Oh ok cool cool

[formal fable]

Not necessarily. Myself and one another had perfect OA, but I guess we bungled up the LP round

[jaunty snow]

Oh ok, weird

[keen zinc]

Got perfect OA1 and did fairly well on OA2 -> reject

[jaunty snow]

Also wondering this

[formal fable]

OA1 is like, bruh, do you even engg? That's the point of OAs tbh

[keen zinc]

Are either of you internationals?

Interesting

Well, good luck to you peeps. I hope you get that offer

[formal fable]

OA2 is a load of BS and I say this based on the kind of mentorship and subsequent feedback I've received in the way I handle real life workplace situations. If I were to religiously follow Amazon's Customer butthole licking obsession, and push buggy code early, rather than polished code later, I'd get a nice Red on my next feedback

So IDK, I guess I just don't agree with Amazon's weird LP, but gotta learn to game the system

[trim jacinth]

OA2 is literally how amazon actually runs tho lol

[formal fable]

Yeah, but working for real is wayy less supervised than an OA. You have the flexibility once you're full-time

[trim jacinth]

pull overtime to get out a base set of features on time or get PIPed

[formal fable]

Obviously I don't have the right answer here, but my best bet is that either Amazon's rather ok with early to market even at the expense of unstable code, OR they expect me to offer unpaid overtime service. Both of which I did not choose in OA2

[hushed ember]

Now I understood why I got a rejection. But the LPs state, perfect quality is not important. So you push things to meet the deadline.

[trim jacinth]

that's literally the definition of bias for action

you don't have to agree it's right

but it's word for word the LP

[hushed ember]

+1

[formal fable]

I thought so too. In most cases my answers like very strongly aligned with good practices at 3 of my past workplaces

[acoustic berry]

They will go with less features and early, but not bugs and early.

[formal fable]

If you can solve it fast, do it, if you cant, seek help, if still not seek leadership

I mean, that's what I'm insisting on, but you'd be surprised the number of times I've been told by higher ups to do the latter. I can fully understand that when it's a non-name firm trying to make an impression on a deadline. There's no second chances and you gotta show off. But not amazon

For example, you got a client event, and you realize a day before that there's a major, highly obscure bug. Maybe your systems weren't stressed enough and the reason you could not afford a long comprehensive stress test is becasue it's a brand new product (no one else is doing it), the client is only interested in you compared to other big names is becasue you are offering that no one else is, and they are impatient, cause time changes requirements.

So, you must do magic in a matter of weeks, which is obviously not how a polished product is developed, and you must deliver a working MVP. That gives them compfidence to invest further in you and then from there on, you get the contract.

Big names, they don't need all that hassle, but small no-name firms, they need to make risky rapid moves and make an impression. So it;s basic math to have a small team compete with giants only with overtime and/or buggy releases.

Sometimes, it's not even the manager's fault and I learnt this after finishing my 3rd job. Sometimes, if we did not do it early, we do not get to do it

[dusty basin]

That’s the case at Amazon too according to my short exp and based on what my manager and interviewers told me

[gilded dust]

Got 2x60 for rainforest

RIP

[dusty basin]

No company would let you push out untested code for the sake of a deadline

[formal fable]

Testing is not binary. There's an entire spectrum in terms of compreshensiveness, type, etc

[gilded dust]

Amazon expects your code to be well tested and deliver feature in time even if it takes more time than expected

Answer is to work overtime or PIP

[formal fable]

And I can confirm, there have been feature releases with under tested code, in interests of demo

[dusty basin]

Demo and POC is different than a feature release

[formal fable]

So it's less about whether or not it's tested, more about how much testing did you do?

[dusty basin]

And is usually beta tested

Once it reaches consumers, it’s relatively stable

[gilded dust]

Who here also got 2x60

[dusty basin]

And all following work on that product is expected to be stable, proper code

That goes through proper QA processes and doesn’t get merged unless it passed all tests

Yeah I’m just responding to the “demo” thing

[formal fable]

There's plenty of features that:

• Cannot be stress tested at the scale of production
• Cannot be comprehensively tested due to the customer/client's missing requirements

I know this from having worked with large businesses, who's liasons themselves didn't know half the shit that they actually needed for the system to work and we had to dsicover their own business process for them as we moved into production.

So it's rather naive to claim that it's as simple as either its stable or it does not release. That's not true for the vast majority of small firms

Stable releases often mature in a brief highly monitored production run. Stability is often achieved at the expense of early production inconveniences in the cases where all possible edge cases or performance limitations are not known

[slim marsh]

Me

2 back to back means 2x60 right?

[formal fable]

I fully understand what can and should be done. But everything has a cost, either time or money or both. And there are many many times, within the chaos of a young, inexperienced startup, without the resources, knowledge base and budget of a large firm, where things have to be compromised to meet deadlines. Else contracts are pulled. It's a fact, and unless you;ve worked at such a place, you won't know it

[dusty basin]

Amazon is their own customer so they usually have everything fairly fleshed out and if not, it’s relatively easy to get more information. You would be surprised at the planning that goes into a feature/product release. There’s a reason why their consumer-facing software has little bugs. Testing pipelines at these large companies cover a huge chunk of cases and bug tickets are registered and changes reverted until the code is stable

[slim marsh]

Yasssss. Oh the scheduling email came just now

[pallid kernel]

can i come too

i also have 2x60 next week

[jaunty snow]

Sure I’m down

[pallid kernel]

i got a list of potential behavioural questions

[formal fable]

Yeah, which is why in a few messages above, I specifically mentioned that I would certaily not expect anything less than robust comprehensive testing at Amazon, and same goes for overtime. They can afford to delay.

[dusty basin]

Idk about your experience, but point is that choosing to ship an unstable release will almost never fly for Amazon and most big tech

[formal fable]

Besides, I wouldn't be surprised, I've planned 3-4 month long projects and contributed to my company's product roadmap for the year as well. But there is no substitute for having more employees, better knowledge base.

[dusty basin]

#2023_grads message

[formal fable]

Can you read above? I specifically said that Amazon must have provisions for testing and without overtime.

[dusty basin]

U literally said they’d be rather ok with unstable code in the interest of early to market

Lol

[formal fable]

Yeah, the or there is to imply that they're hinting towards overtime which I take an issue with

[dusty basin]

They’re not hinting at that either

U ask manager to give u more resources

Or u push back deadline

[formal fable]

I literally said that either amazon's ok with buggy releases or they expect overtime, cause I specifically picked choices other than those

[dusty basin]

It’s as simple as that

[formal fable]

In which case I'd expect OA2 to go better 🤷‍♂️ . The entire discussion is about speculating why amazon would consider OA2 to be a dud, given I'm confident OA1 was perfect. This is that discussion which started off at me questioning Amazon's feature release practices.

Yeah, but more often than not, your PM doesn't pay for that mistake.

[dusty basin]

Yeah maybe they just decided not to move forward bc of some other reason. Trying to single out a reason, especially in OA2 is a waste of time since you have no idea which answers were right and which weren’t

I chose to extend deadlines or ask for more resources in my OA2 and moved forward

[formal fable]

Which is why I call is speculation. We're in the middle of an active discussion and we've barely covered any ground regarding OA2. That's what this is, a discussion. Whether or not it's a waste of time is for me to decide once I've gathered enough feedback.

OA2 had a lot of choices, work prioritization was one of the main categories. I started with that. There's tons of other factors as well, but we're yet to go through them. So chill with scrutinizing my comments

[vast mica]

How to tackle this Roblox cognitive? feels stumped in 1st part of cognitive, the temperature, and humidity stuff got me.

If anybody did that stuff successfully, How was the thinking process ?

[formal fable]

Also, they did move forward, but for 2x60 which is kinda annoying xD

[weak latch]

JPMC open https://jpmc.fa.oraclecloud.com/hcmUI/CandidateExperience/en/sites/CX_1001/job/210321358/?utm_medium=jobshare

[late kestrel]

thats been open no?

[weak latch]

I just saw it on linky

[late kestrel]

gotcha

[weak latch]

it was posted 19hrs ago but idk if its been open or not 🤷

[formal fable]

Sigh... What's with Banks and no sponsorship...

[lament basin]

std::min(a,b);

[late kestrel]

weird idk where i found it then. i applied to the exact same posting 8/5

[whole zinc]

is snap open?

[hexed moth]

i still dont fully understand what oa2 entails

is it literally like a 5 point scale with random questions

[calm shale]

last time i took it: you get like a mock email ui, you get people contacting you, you get updates via some mock meetings, then you choose what you response is

[hexed moth]

gotcha

[vague furnace]

They’re testing on how you would work with others in a high-pressure environment @hexed moth

How long did it take after OA2 for final?

Just took amazons OA2

[white escarp]

damn see i told u

🤣

[delicate trench]

anyone apply to figma data science role

[white escarp]

iirc 2 behav per + 1 med per interview

u might get slapped with hard if ur unfortunate

[hazy gull]

expect OOD @cedar nebula

I had 1 med and ood

[sour night]

Bro I thought Bloomberg phone was 1 OOD question I just got asked 2 LC med/hards none was on tagged btw I’m so baffled lol

[formal fable]

Kinda weird they go all OOD and LCs but only for a subset of the applicants. Not like there's any OOD assessment prior to onsite.

[humble pebble]

which location are you applying for?

[sour night]

NYC

[formal fable]

And OOD is not too bad tbh. Just read up on OOP, design patterns and API design.

[wind valve]

how were they?

[sour night]

Solved one and just talked through the second one so idk lmfao

[wind valve]

hm I see

any dp?

[sour night]

Nah no DP

Bloomberg responds fast right? I think that’s what I’ve heard

[graceful creek]

How many days after Amazon OA2 do we get the mail to schedule interview ?

[vague furnace]

Someone said 5 days

[humble pebble]

idk how hard they're gonna get hit with applications but feedback for me was always 24h or so

[formal fable]

Took a week for me

[weak latch]

@sour night fellow ksi fan

[hushed ember]

How long does it take to hear back from Neeva ?

[midnight jetty]

I had 2Sum and Binary Tree Level Order Traversal

[sour night]

Sooo I just had terrible luck

[midnight jetty]

On Monday

[sour night]

Fml good stuff tho

[midnight jetty]

Still haven’t heard back😅

[sour night]

Someone helped me find my hard it was word ladder on LC

[fervent drift]

hey uh anyone know why the link isnt working? https://github.com/bsovs/NewGrad-2023

@restive cedar u know or uh

is it taken down?

https://github.com/coderQuad/New-Grad-Positions-2023

@nocturne oriole can u pin this one?

and remove the old pin

oooohh it was urs?

brando u scared me king

[nocturne oriole]

already pinned

thanks tho

[fervent drift]

noice

im stupid as hell

[nocturne oriole]

as long as ur good looking it's ok

remember if ur gonna be dumb

at least be handsome

[fervent drift]

im

[nocturne oriole]

👍

[fervent drift]

wanna see?

[nocturne oriole]

no

[fervent drift]

okay

[nocturne oriole]

i will take ur word for it

[calm shale]

i do

[fervent drift]

whats ur codesignal

[nocturne oriole]

760 first time

825 second time

[fervent drift]

noice

[calm shale]

whats your credit

[fervent drift]

774

[nocturne oriole]

ok but in exchange

u are banned

deal

[fervent drift]

no

then no cheat

[calm shale]

hella high

[nocturne oriole]

[Shiv#9688] has been banned

[fervent drift]

rip

dont wanna be yahkuna 2.0

@pulsar mural right?

[calm shale]

cool guy @pulsar mural

[fervent drift]

he sends cats

and emotes

[calm shale]

my basement

[fervent drift]

?

[weak latch]

I’m in your basement @nocturne oriole

[thick shell]

Does akuna capital oa for python have an expiration date?

[dusty halo]

Anyone know how much codesignal score we need to get for SIG?

[calm shale]

you know

we should do like a db of peoples codesignal scores and whether they move on or not

then we can actually find out what the average cutoff for each company is

[gilded galleon]

How is ixl oa

[tardy geode]

does referal matter a lot while applying for FT?

[weak latch]

this is actually an amazing idea

get on that

[urban gulch]

Doesn't lowest make more sense for this?

Like lowest score that moves on

[plush fossil]

is ixl different from ixl learning

[calm shale]

Eh lowest I feel like doesn’t mean anything since there could be back door stuff. I mean if we do this then we can get a box plot which is probably most helpful

[lilac locust]

anyone else applying for vmware

WHERE DID MY KIRBY ROLE GO

[slate bobcat]

That’s crazy I’m in your basement

[surreal shuttle]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRfeNTkQ/

[surreal shuttle]

Found @pulsar mural

[rain patio]

My manager just told me he has someone at Google who can refer me. This is after I applied 😭

[pulsar mural]

ask him if he can refer yahkuna (cscareers icon)

[weak latch]

Do you need referral before applying?

[rain patio]

No. But it is much better

[weak latch]

No I mean like can you get a referral after you apply

Or is it only before

[rain patio]

Oh. I don’t know

About to find out

W

[pallid kernel]

guys i need some advice

my lead is making me work this weekend

and i told him i am busy and cant

and he, quote, said "you have to"

like i have no choice

just wanna say fuck it and not do it anyways

[rain patio]

Did you ask what the repercussion are?

[pallid kernel]

the repercussions are not getting a merge into master

but seriously this wasnt in my contract

i actually have important shit to do this weekend

[rain patio]

Do you have to go to the office?

[pallid kernel]

no

im studying for my amazon interview which is next week

so i very much need the weekend to study for it

ive been busy with work this entire week

[marble bronze]

Difficult situation. Do it and you might be opening yourself up to potentially taking on more work outside of normal hours in the future, but not doing will likely damage the relationship between you and your lead

[pallid kernel]

this weekend is very precious to me, idk why he had to pick this weekend out of all of them

[rain patio]

You have to put Amazon interview first.

[pallid kernel]

yeah i agree

[rain patio]

Do you have a return offer?

[pallid kernel]

not yet

[marble bronze]

Hm.

[pallid kernel]

idk if i want to come back. i hate my lead with a passion

hes very rude and talks with a lot of snark to me

[marble bronze]

Not sure if I'd want the return offer yeah if this is a common thing

I think just tell them that you are unable to, but don't fire back to the point of burning bridges with the entire org

I swear to god though if they fire back with some shit like "be a team player"

[pallid kernel]

i told him i was busy, he just told me i "have to"

[marble bronze]

What are the chances that you'll receive immediate consequences if you just don't

Like assuming it's an internship, it's not like you'll be there for long anyways(?)

[pallid kernel]

well, he'd be mad on monday because it'd be evident i didnt do anything

my job is a merge jannie basically

im in charge of shoveling changes from our branch into master

and rn we're under lockdown cuz theres a regression

i need to find it before monday

[vast gyro]

[rain patio]

Good luck on your interview

[marble bronze]

Also, I would recommend asking the folks over @ CS Career Hub if you haven't already, I am a stupid intern and have little experience in navigating office politics

[pallid kernel]

im thinking of bringing it up with my manager next week actually

[marble bronze]

If you do, hope it goes over well

[pallid kernel]

he's the worst lead i've ever had

straight up told me i have no time management and audibly sighing when he's frusterated with me

cant wait to be done with this internship

and this is from a huge company too

[vast gyro]

once may be enough tho

[marble bronze]

Fair point.

[vital meteor]

I would prepare for zon

You dont even want a return offer from this place it looks like so

[peak ferry]

fuck the merge they should get bent

[vital meteor]

And working weekends is lol

Even my team doesnt do that

[peak ferry]

if mission critical assignments depend on an intern working weekends, something has gone horribly wrong

[weak latch]

how do you guys recommend prepping the best for a high codesignal? Any strategies you guys use?

I suck ass at codesignal i got a 718 last time i took one back in february

i never solved 3 fully

i was able to get 1 and 2 good, 4 was like halfway there and 3 hardly

[pallid quarry]

Databricks doesn’t have code signal for new grad

[weak latch]

My graduation date kinda cucks me a bit

[pallid quarry]

Yeah the first step is recruiter phone call then technical interviews then on-site

[weak latch]

I graduate in August and I see a few apps saying as late as June 2023

[kindred ether]

Does anyone have an idea how is 3x45 at amazon ?

[hexed moth]

3x45?

[night magnet]

It’s so dumb that zon can’t do this

[night magnet]

||Pretty sure it’s only 1x30 or 2x60 (at least from what I’ve seen/what my friends have experienced)|| never mind

[peak ferry]

nah they're a thing, I just think think 1x30/2x60 are more commonly given rn

I was supposed to have one last week but they canceled it last minute for reasons unexplained

[kindred ether]

bro, I got 3x45 (System Design Expected)

I was wondering I could get any tips or what to expect

[rain patio]

Actual system or OOP?

[tardy jetty]

what time should i aim for if i do 1,2,4

[patent gyro]

what school do u go to?

[vast mica]

Palantir decomp is OOPs or high level system design?

Thanks. how are ypu preparing for it ?

[vague furnace]

Where do you work? This situation sounds terrible. I’m currently an intern at a startup and we were on time crunch bc of our initial app launch, but my mentor understands that I’m an intern and can’t work as fast as a senior.

[vague furnace]

So bc of that, working on my timecrunch project meant he met me halfway with my work. I do as much as I can, and then we would debrief every afternoon. So he wouldn’t just assume I’d get shit done over the weekend, he was willing to go thru the stress w me bc we were both put in a tough situation w the app launch.

[pallid kernel]

SAP

yeah after those messages it got even worse, he called me privately and told me my performance was very bad and that he hadn't seen anyone perform this badly in years

[vague furnace]

Anyway, your lead sounds annoying and intense for that. My lead is intense, but he gets I’m limited as an intern, so he’s willing to go thru some stress himself if it means we both get to the finish line. Which in my case means he’s helping me everyday.

[pallid kernel]

that really hurt and i was trying really hard not to cry on call

and he basically said that since i caused the situation, i should take responsibility and stay over the weekend to fix it

even though i told him i cant go back on my obligations that i have over the weekend

[vague furnace]

Ya sorry to hear that! It’s a terrible experience and sounds like he doesn’t really know how to mentor

But I agree w others here, that if you aren’t getting an offer, don’t even sweat trying to maximize output.

[normal palm]

what’d u break out of curiosity?

[pallid kernel]

so a bit of a long story
essentially i am in charge of our team's merges; a bunch of people merge their changes into our branch and then i batch merge these changes into master
every 2 weeks a prod branch is created which is released to customers so top priority is getting these changes into master asap.

my job then is to ensure that any merge conflicts are solved, and also to revert any regressions i find, and basically make sure we dont go too long without a merge

today i let it get to 2 days without a merge with prod creation on monday

so yeah. its pretty dire

and my lead basically told me that i've wasted all my coworkers' time because they also had to stay overtime to help fix this issue

i felt so terrible knowing i wasted everyones time because of my mistake

i sent everyone a slack message apologizing but they all probably hate me now

[peak ferry]

he should kick rocks and do it himself if its soooo important, genuinely absurdist shit

I want to hear this mfer explain to his superior that he missed an important customer deadline bc he assigned mission critical work to an intern over the weekend

[vague furnace]

See this is why I’m making it a point that he should’ve dedicated some of HIS time to help you clear the mistake. One, so it can get done. Two, bc u are an intern and juniors make mistakes. Three, bc it’s a learning experience for both of you.

[hollow crag]

We reviewed the resume you sent for our Software Development Engineer position in Seattle, USA , and are excited to speak with you!

We would like to schedule a phone interview to discuss this opportunity at Amazon.

Is this a technical or really just to speak about the position?

[peak ferry]

almost definitely just a recruiter call so non technical

[hollow crag]

Passed OA

[peak ferry]

odd considering I don't think they usually do recruiter calls after OA, but Amazon will almost certainly tell you if it's a technical interview

you can ask em if u really want to be sure ig

[pastel bane]

do I have to answer every question to pass the interview?
I feel it's a test for my knowledge depth.

[peak ferry]

it's going to depend on the place, but generally no you don't have to answer every question exactly pass an interview. I didn't immediately land on the optimal solution, required interviewer assistance, didn't know all the trivia asked, and made trivial coding errors, and still managed to get offers. On the flip side, you can answer problems perfectly from a technical perspective and not get an offer. Maybe they didn't like your communication, behavior, or they just found a more promising candidate. Of course, it's certainly ideal to answer the technical questions correctly lol

[hollow crag]

I got 1/2 on oa1

[peak ferry]

afaik no

[hollow crag]

Maybe oa2 helped?

[hexed moth]

u could always ask the recruiter what to expect?

[peak ferry]

honestly thinking about this makes me increasingly angry on ur behalf. I hope u don't take their bs too personally and that ur internship is almost over. best of luck on getting an offer somewhere that isn't there

[bleak raven]

did y’all get this email

or was recruiter just messaging me lol

[eternal mortar]

any way to prepare for amazon OA? Or just do general prep

[blissful sonnet]

Instabase new grad opened?

[bleak raven]

i applied july 29

[calm shale]

I got it

[bleak raven]

rip me not special

[normal palm]

Why does the name instabase sound like a knock off company in it of itself

[rain patio]

advice for answering technical questions other than "always be chatting"?

[hexed moth]

[elder hull]

does any one know how to modify google applications after submitting it?

I just realized I didn't put my internship into work experience..

[marble bronze]

Not sure if you can

[lone goblet]

Should I reapply amazon w a referral or nah

My current app not answered atm

[marble bronze]

I know that there's like a 2 week cooldown on reapplying or smth, maybe that could work as an edit?

[elder hull]

I think so... Just trying to get some hope

[regal kindle]

how hard is it to pass on from amazon oa to final -_-

[rain patio]

90 days for same application. 3 unique apps every 30 days

[elder hull]

My friend said when he put in his resume, his internship was automatically parsed as work exp

[rain patio]

i put internship to be safe

[blissful sonnet]

Is this apple new grad application legit? It says early career, but they are looking for "senior engineer"
Should I apply? https://jobs.apple.com/en-us/details/200329615/software-engineer-early-career

[iron lily]

Did anyone who did the Cisco OA get an email confirmation?

I completed it and the page just got stuck on a loading screen

[spring ledge]

say fuck it and don't do it anyway. Sorry you even had to deal w/ that in the first place. Fuck your lead, keep your head up, and crush new grad recruiting szn to never deal w/ a scumbag like that again. Good luck

[civic summit]

@pallid kernel just wanna share that I had a very similar situation last summer for my internship, and I know how extremely shitty it feels. At one point I nearly broke down while being berated by my manager in front of the team, and he later told me I needed to be less emotional at work. You’ll get through it and find so many better places to be - ik it’s hard but do your best to just detach and not stress too much more.

Imo no company is worth that return offer if you’re that miserable there and people are treated that way

[inner prawn]

yeah one time I didn't answer a message within 5 minutes and I got a message from my manager, along the lines of "this is completely unacceptable, join a zoom call with me in 5 minutes". Joined the zoom call and it was essentially me getting criticized and yelled at, and I remember him saying something like "why exactly did we hire you, I need to justify this to my manager and I can't figure it out". Lot of toxicity in this industry

[peak ferry]

Absolutely wild— this is why I want to have a nice nest egg so I can tell my boss to get bent if they’re an asshole

[inner prawn]

goldman sachs lol

if a VP criticizes you, you basically just have to take it. very hierarchical place. and the VP's in turn carry out the MD's demands. if you get a bad MD its a trickle down effect

[peak ferry]

only sorta tbh culture is pretty huge

[inner prawn]

definitely. i was lucky to have a job lined up so i didnt care tbh, but if i didnt...cant imagine

[peak ferry]

Yea, being dependent on an asshole boss for your livelihood sounds like hell

[last belfry]

How long does it take to hear back from sig after Oa

Got 2/2

[chilly burrow]

Any1 know what "Under Review" as the status for Uber Careers means?

Is it the default state?

[floral plank]

Don't think so. Mine says submitted

[vast mica]

I gave OA, karat then reached recruiter phone, while some people are getting to final directly, can anybody tell me if this is the power of Refferal?

for palantir

[runic wind]

Wdym direct final? I think everyone goes through karat

[jovial dust]

In Uber careers powered by icims dashboard?

[bleak raven]

not me

they used an old karat

which was good enough for them

so they were like aight sounds gucci

[rain patio]

like the "transferred" status for MSFT apps. been "transferred" for over a year. 😂

[weary flax]

My condolences

[night magnet]

Amazon is frozen?

Where are these rumors

Everyone on blind says they’re the only faang that’s hiring

omg

I really chose the worst year of all time to graduate early

well I guess it could be '08

[gaunt flax]

What codesignal is needed to get SeatGeek phone interview?

[night magnet]

I'm honestly considering delaying graduation a year, what do you guys think?

I would have to start applying to intern roles asap bc I've been focusing on ng stuff so far

aw man

[sinful tendon]

no guarantee it’ll get any better

[night magnet]

yeah that's what i'm thinking

1 yoe > 0yoe I feel like

but also need to balance that with the fact that 1st year TC is highly predictive of net career earnings

[sinful tendon]

that seems like a thought that isn’t even worth spending much time considering

can you share this? couldn’t find it and would be interested to read since my final is thursday

[night magnet]

for the short term

[sinful tendon]

that has big shit post energy

[night magnet]

The most this post tells is that some orgs might be frozen but definitely not all

“I’m in AWS and yesterday opened a couple new reqs. If there is a freeze neither my finance partner, director, or HR partner know about it since they all approved the new reqs.”

[sinful tendon]

at most it suggests a slow down, which we already knew. not worth overreacting about, this server has enough anxiety as it is

[night magnet]

Just don’t wanna be jobless 😢

[inner prawn]

noooooooooooooooooooooooo

not amazon 😦

[honest sundial]

The last one standing

[civic summit]

can you share a link to something about this? im curious to learn more

[rain patio]

a legit link. not blind

[honest sundial]

Source: trust me bro

Yea

[tardy geode]

My summer internship experience was the worst i feel . Manager was first time managing interns in his career , had no clue how to manage . he assigned a mentor who had zero knowledge about the tech stack that I am gonna use to make the project . Had a co-intern who was atrociously hard to work with(ffs she was thinking in the end only one would get a return offer) . There were no 1:1's anytime , mentor least cared about the project . When i used to get stuck he used to redirect me to other engineers who had no clue about my project so they were not able to help me as much as they could , so all the time i was all on my own . It was stressful and most of the times i felt very overworked . I remember some few days when I was so stressed that I didn't eat for 2 days , had neck aches and what not . since mentor didn't have any knowledge about JS he would just fricking throw random things at me to do then at one point I told him that this is not possible in JS but he was like you know more JS than me it should be easy and all of that . in between manager was on PTO for a month . there were status calls every 2 days between me manager mentor and the other intern , in the start manager did attend the calls but after a point he stopped attending he had no clue of what was going on . in the last few weeks when manager came back from the pto he kept a call to present it to the team , in that also he left midway . mentor didn't show up . I felt like giving up at times but somehow i mustered up courage and was able to overcome blockers . I almost made an api authoring tool in the end which i am really proud of . but i didn't get a return offer and the mail that my manager sent me regarding the decision made me sad and angry at the same time as he mentioned that "due to specific skills and experiences required in the role we can't give you a return offer" . I did have the skills(react and js) and the experience too . this shattered my confidance a bit and i felt as if i worked so hard for nothing .

I am sorry for the rant but I couldn't just keep it inside 😦 . I feel that it was unfair considering the amount of work i did and the efforts i put .

[hazy gull]

what company?

[tardy geode]

yes

I fear it might affect my future employment with them

i mean i might land up in some trouble , i am an international student so I be extra cautious

i mean what if they blacklist me or something

the problem was the manager and the mentor i feel . I worked my ass off honestly

point

I feel like telling all this to my intern program manager

[chilly burrow]

damn that suks

[chilly burrow]

yeah it is unfair

[tardy geode]

since 2 days I am feeling so down , i feel like crying sometimes . It shattered my confidance but still I am somehow I am keeping myself sane , trying to move on.

[trim jacinth]

I’ve had two mentors just peace out of the company halfway through an internship lol

Feels like you shouldnt take an intern if you know you’re looking elsewhere 🤷

[trim jacinth]

Dw just take the experience and forget about the company

[night magnet]

This isn't swe specific but here's one example: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/02/10/your-lifetime-earnings-are-probably-determined-in-your-twenties/

[runic wind]

Paywall

[night magnet]

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/02/10/your-lifetime-earnings-are-probably-determined-in-your-twenties

nvm

[runic wind]

I wonder if I can make a website like this, but then ask people to pay for it

A single paywall to remove all paywalls

[inner prawn]

smh cant read the article

[civic summit]

interesting, thanks. I mean that makes more sense to me, that your earnings in your 20s is indicative of lifetime earnings. But that doesn't really support the "first" year TC hypothesis in SWE, which (imo) places an unnecessary amount of emphasis/stress on the very first job you get out of college

[runic wind]

Just means that our earnings won't be decided in our 20s

[vestal pelican]

Yea

[inner prawn]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/02/10/your-lifetime-earnings-are-probably-determined-in-your-twenties/

[night magnet]

https://web.archive.org/web/20220820171413/https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/02/10/your-lifetime-earnings-are-probably-determined-in-your-twenties/

paywall gone

[inner prawn]

this doesnt apply to us, if you work hard its not true. I 7x'ed my TC in a year

[night magnet]

at how many yoe

[civic summit]

the article itself starts at 25 yrs old too

[inner prawn]

0-> 1 YOE lol

[night magnet]

yeah exactly

[inner prawn]

then every 2 years just double that

[frank wedge]

Tf

[inner prawn]

wait a second nvm the article is right

[night magnet]

this is saying after your first couple of bumps TC increases stagnate. So maybe you 7x'd from 0-->1, but its less likely that youll 7x from yoe 10 --> 11 if that makes sense

[inner prawn]

fk

well thats like 8 years still

[runic wind]

Workers projected to earn the median lifetime amount will see pay swell 38 percent from age 25 to 55

Hmm

[inner prawn]

lol only 38% in 30 years? wtf

that has to be outdated

[runic wind]

Okay

Those in the 99th percentile -- the doctors and lawyers and engineers -- will see earnings grow a whopping 1,450 percent.

[night magnet]

yeah 38% is dumb ofc.
But think about it - if you have the skills to get high TC, you'll probably get that in your twenties. After that, it's not that likely you'll develop those skills when you're like 33

And when you switch companies new TC is almost always based on old TC

[marble bronze]

Tech imo is just an outlier in general, 38% sounds like maybe if you stay at the same company and don't really climb

[night magnet]

yeah

[inner prawn]

so basically pay is determined by the time you are 25

[runic wind]

So you're saying if I don't get into quant this time, it's over for me?

[night magnet]

It's more saying it's likely that you'll (likely) reach your ceiling in your early career

[civic summit]

makes sense

one exception though is prob non-traditional backgrounds right?

[night magnet]

I mean yeah but 95% of the population doesn't do that so

[civic summit]

yes

[runic wind]

Yeah
But they are non-traditional, by def

[inner prawn]

well most people dont job hop too

[civic summit]

also in your 20s != first year only

[runic wind]

How are you guys planning to nego your return offer?

And maybe leverage your return offer later in the hiring season? Do expired offer letters work during negotiations, lol?

[night magnet]

Definitely. I do think it’s worth noting that when job hopping new TC is generally based on old TC. But yeah you’re def right about that

Is this over their career? Or just during recession

lol

[wild pewter]

is jp morgan not sponsoring internationals?

[hard lark]

!process

[cerulean basin]

You can only use this command in 2022_winter_intern_process, 2022_summer_intern_process, 2022_grad_process, 2022_fall_intern_process, 2023_summer_intern_process, 2023_winter_intern_process, 2023_grad_process

[rain patio]

nope. got my internship offer rescinded because of that

[high ermine]

anyone took optiver assessment?

[blissful sonnet]

yeah, 1 easy problem (kind of...) and 1 hard tbh

[bleak anchor]

What is SIG tc like?

[prisma basin]

ass

[buoyant herald]

Did you say you didn't need sponsorship in the application?

[prisma basin]

traders make all the money there

[night magnet]

Same at all HFTs but cit pays like 330 for SWEs regardless

[bleak anchor]

oh is it even worth doing OA for sig lmaoo

what about optiver

[rain patio]

no. but that was because i applied for an internship and have CPT.

but still wrong ig

[azure zephyr]

spending part of my saturday leetcoding 🙃🙃

[iron lily]

are you canadian? because i heard that if you tell them you can get a TN visa they'll let it slide

for full time at least

since TN is technically not a sponsorship

[rain patio]

you should spend all your Saturdays leetcoding until you get an offer

[rain patio]

not canadian

[green bronze]

Any redflags about palantir?

@gentle peak Damn whats the biggest thing?

yikes

[night magnet]

FDSE sounds like the coolest job ever

[green bronze]

Thats tuff I seen their software and it looked super cool to work on

• they had some shifting software so you can change

[green bronze]

Sounds like a mix of SWE and PM haha

[night magnet]

Yeah ik

Pltr has some really cool blogs about a day in the life

[green bronze]

Whats the opinion on Qualcomm?

[gilded vortex]

I applied to their VR/AR positions, but then after they offered an interview, they said my graduation date was too late

They expected 2022 to be May and not Dec

But overall seems pretty cool

[green bronze]

They doing Vr/AR?

I only see the camera

[gilded vortex]

https://www.qualcomm.com/products/application/xr-vr-ar

[green bronze]

Need VCs to wake up

Start investing in shitty startups again so we can get the economy BOOMING

[night magnet]

Ong

[rain patio]

what's that ?

maybe later. my focus rn is on behavioral

does anyone have any resource for OOP design for a traffic system?

[devout prawn]

what do you put when they ask for a range for expected salary?

its optional

[formal fable]

Delay salary related conversations as much as possible imo. The moment you tell them your expectations, that's the maximum you're gonna get and your negotiating power is dampened.

[earnest nexus]

did slack open?

[rain patio]

I thought @earnest nexus was me 😂 . I was like "I don't remember typing that"

dp you solve like you're in a real technical interview and explain talk loud?

so you take turns solving the same problem after someone else already explained the solution?

[split plaza]

It was open for a few days but was restricted to past/current Salesforce interns

idk what they’re doing

[surreal shuttle]

Hey it's me

jkjk

[livid yew]

this dude needs to get a life

fuck no

I've done like 80 total LeetCode problems in my life

[inner prawn]

I’m friends with him lol

[slate bobcat]

I was gonna say 200s not that bad

but then I saw it was all in a month

[rain patio]

that is cracked

[inner prawn]

My rate is faster than him

Try to find my account

[rain patio]

does CPP have an offer?

[coral finch]

is binary search better than lc ?

[gilded vortex]

^

[whole maple]

does anyone know the format for amazon new grad swe? is it just lc and lp or is there also design

[rain patio]

OOP design

[whole maple]

tyty do u know any sample questions

[peak ferry]

binary search is just to do lc problems with others afaik. problems usually aren't that hard but idk how they're selected

[novel tide]

for 2x60?

or wha

[rain patio]

amazon locker system, parking garage, hotel reservation system, ...

[night magnet]

How many applications have you submitted?
1 - 1 → 10
2: 11 →20
3: 21 → 30
4: 31 →40
5: 41 → 50
6: 51 → 60
7: 61 → 70
8: 71 → 80
9: 81 → 90
10: 90+

[rain patio]

not keeping track

[gilded vortex]

76

[kind galleon]

we can binary search it

oops i had no idea i responded to such an old comment lol

[fluid bloom]

Passing 100 apps tonight

[split plaza]

just for 2023 new grad? wtf

[signal trellis]

yall on the grind

[rain patio]

are there that many apps open? 😂

how does keeping track help? I feel it can only make me anxious, but that's me

[night magnet]

118 for me 😃

This guy is my inspiration https://www.reddit.com/r/csMajors/comments/qpjw2f/i_got_amazon_optiver_capital_one_wells_fargo_ford/

[gilded dust]

There are not even 100 new grad positions open rn lol

[night magnet]

Cap + why would I lie lmao

I’ll send all the companies I applied to (also these aren’t all ng, some are swe 1)

[white escarp]

just spam amazon sde1 applications

🤣

and count each post as 1 application

then u can get like 200 apps 👀

[chilly burrow]

I got 82

[white escarp]

is the majority in canada?

👀

I think there are like less than dozen of companies open ng in canada

[chilly burrow]

mostly us

basically no cad

[proven hare]

the only option for canadian is Amazon for now

[white escarp]

😠 when will those companies open jobs in canada

i'm about to graduate

[night magnet]

Not sure which role I applied for but lemme try to find it

[white escarp]

there's msft and some of the sde1 jobs

[proven hare]

I apply for msft for 2 weeks and no reply

status stay in "application transfered"

[night magnet]

Hmm it doesn’t say the role on the email and they don’t have a portal so idk

[proven hare]

i do not think they will move forward

[night magnet]

It was this: Backend Software Engineer, Twilio Engage

Oh L

They didn’t specify yoe tho

Oh gotcha

Yeah bro I feel like nobody’s hiring lol

Might just delay graduation if I don’t get any good offers

Lol

Bet

Same

There’s no other big tech companies hiring I feel like

Yes sir

[white escarp]

idt msft canada start hiring ng yet

[proven hare]

really ? haven`t heard anything

i think its still freezing yes

[night magnet]

So I got rejected for a role that I got referred for but I’m still being considered for the role that was transferred

So idk what’s up

[white escarp]

well i think the accepted application but they haven't started the interview process yet

[low scroll]

@cedar nebula what did twilio tell you?

[proven hare]

how do you know you are rejected ?

[proven hare]

i hope so

[night magnet]

But I have another one that says transferred

[low scroll]

I see

[white escarp]

how about from ur knowledge? 👀

[proven hare]

thats sad...

[low scroll]

are none of the interns getting returns then?

[proven hare]

right now the only offer i have is CIBC, which i do not want to accept that

[night magnet]

Bank?

[white escarp]

thats good cuz luck is all i need to find a ng job this year

[proven hare]

yep

yes same situation

[tardy jetty]

😢

would take any offerrr

[night magnet]

And I really thought I would get 200k ng this time last year 🤡

[chilly burrow]

I'll take TC>0 atm 😭

[chilly burrow]

200k ng is extremely difficult to achieve tbh

[night magnet]

Ik

But I had like 7 friends that got it

[chilly burrow]

Unless u r abs goated

[night magnet]

So I thought it was like super doable

[tardy jetty]

super doable if ur sick

[night magnet]

I realize that now lol

I thought it was just super easy

[tardy jetty]

😮

[night magnet]

And now I’m realizing they’re just super smart

[simple maple]

What is the difference between sde1 and sde2 for cisco ng?

[chilly burrow]

ya u jus kno smart ppl lol

[chilly burrow]

2 > 1

[simple maple]

Acc to the job desc, sde1 does not sponsor visas. Don't know about sde2

[fluid bloom]

Gotta check other places

[primal pike]

wtf is that optiver pay

[south aurora]

Hi, everyone how to find a refer for a company

[silk cape]

Make a blind post

[green bronze]

Wait where do u live?

Did u get rejected in US?

[teal jackal]

do google resume screeners check the contents of your google account

i do NOT need google to be like

opens my youtbe channel

its just full of cum and poop jokes while playing csgo

[vital meteor]

Google ng standard offer in sf is like 210k or something

Prob easiest way to hit 200k

[fallen fox]

do most new grad roles require you to submit an official transcript/pay stubs from previous employers as a part of your background check?

[vital meteor]

I used offer letter for verification

[inner prawn]

Easy money dude

Something is definitely wrong with you if you can’t get that

Dm me, I’ll teach you how to leetcode

550k new grad = smart, 200k new grad = avg A/B student at a state school, less than that = failure at life

[shell breach]

[blissful sonnet]

If I get any offer I would consider myself lucky given the fact everybody is going through hiring freeze and layoffs

[peak ferry]

one one hand ik ur joking, on the other . . .

[teal jackal]

tbh same

[chilly burrow]

How tf is goog ez

[vital meteor]

I mean relative to other 200k+ offers

[chilly burrow]

It's still insanely difficult lol

[manic spear]

oracle hits 200k def easier than G

[inner prawn]

Are we counting sign on bonuses

Isn’t Amazon 200k in HCOL. It’s pretty easy if you get good rng

[green bronze]

Oracle frozen rn though I thought

They are gonna have backlog for Q1 most likely

[floral plank]

Didn’t they open up app

For new grad

[green bronze]

Open app doesn’t mean open

[floral plank]

I saw some people got phone

[manic spear]

ur prob right i graduated in may idk what be goin on rn

[green bronze]

Where did u see this

[green bronze]

U got a ng spot already?

[inner prawn]

Everything is frozen. You guys can always try again next year

Work 1 year at yahkunazon

[manic spear]

yessir ft rn

[river scroll]

Does anyone know how Referrals at Google work

[green bronze]

Nice

Amazon still open for ever right?

🤣🤣

[inner prawn]

@green bronze do you have a ft offer?

[green bronze]

Only 1 but it’s nyc

[inner prawn]

What’s wrong with nyc lol

[green bronze]

I should hit up my Bloomberg recruiter and see if they will take me back

[manic spear]

nyc is a solid place to be in your 20s

[green bronze]

Wait does Bloomberg do cali?

[green bronze]

I just spent the summer in nyc

[manic spear]

nyc or nj iirc

[green bronze]

Yea that’s a pass

😂😂😂

[inner prawn]

San Francisco

Princeton or nyc

[peak ferry]

G also frozen rofl

[inner prawn]

If nyc isn’t good I’m quitting and getting another offer lol

It’s too expensive anyway

Might as well be fun

[manic spear]

sf isnt for ng tho right?

[inner prawn]

Very few headcount so yeah prob not for new grad

[green bronze]

It’s actually embarrassing how the world has flipped in a single year

This time last year people were getting 200k NG with ease

[manic spear]

idk ab that but its def a little rough rn

[green bronze]

Remote + big salary + big fun

[peak ferry]

just bc most big tech is frozen

[green bronze]

Now companies threatening slavery or no job

🤦🏿‍♂️

Who got the Amazon referral, let me give a few years of my life to Jeffs perfect company

[inner prawn]

lol did I miss this or something

Getting 0.5% new grad income with ease 🤡

[dusty basin]

Come to Seattle

[green bronze]

Pass on retirement home big dog

[dusty basin]

Oh yeah. Super ez bro

I had to go out of my way to find any < 200k offers

[inner prawn]

❤️

[peak ferry]

it was definitely a lot easier than it is now tho lul

[green bronze]

It was an exaggeration

The difference was like night and day though

[peak ferry]

like if ur cracked at LC 200k like 8mo ago was very attainable, now it's quite a bit harder

[inner prawn]

You guys really are in bubbles huh

[peak ferry]

except me and one other dude who became NEETs

[inner prawn]

My new grad friends are in their 5th year of college or work part time minim wage and they’re pretty happy

[peak ferry]

well no I know other cs folk that aren't making stacks I just wouldn't put them in the nerd category

[sonic coral]

fr bruh

people living in NY after college spending their entire paycheck on rent and still mad happy just enjoying life

[peak ferry]

I know someone at faang doing that

[sonic coral]

lol i mean yeah

but the normal college grads prob have like 2-3 roommates

[peak ferry]

yea it was his choice not to/to live in one of the most expensive areas

[inner prawn]

Yah even though I think I can afford a single, roommates are the move at least for the first few years

[peak ferry]

yea I'm considering roomies even tho I could afford a single

[sonic coral]

i'm getting a single lol

[peak ferry]

a single pisses me off bc for some god forsaken reason most of them don't have an in unit washer/dryer

and they still want some absurd amount of $

[inner prawn]

Lol single in soho?

Biggg money

[sonic coral]

lol who said soho lmfao

[inner prawn]

I swear some of those places are like 15k/month

[peak ferry]

I see an 8.5k/mo 1bd in soho

good lord

[sonic coral]

you ever see this shit lmao

https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/w2m75w/sohos_cheapest_apartment_selling_for_250000/

[peak ferry]

that's like more than a FAANG NG base take home rofl

[peak ferry]

wait what's the problem

maybe I'm brain damaged but it still sounds like a steal

[peak ferry]

take like 100k for reno and boom livable 1bd for way cheaper than anything else

[sonic coral]

do you see those pipes in the middle of the fuckin apartment

[peak ferry]

unless you legally can't reno I still think it seems like a good deal rofl

[river scroll]

Does the Early campus opening for Google close toinight at 12 ?

it says before 21st

[chilly burrow]

No one knows

I would apply today

Just in case

[peak ferry]

it says before 21 so I'd assume yes, there's no good reason to delay submitting tho so why risk it

[river scroll]

cause I have someone to refer and they are busy rn and would rather get referred

[peak ferry]

oh that's rough, but I'd think the balance of risk leans more towards submitting it

[river scroll]

yeah makes sense

[warm ore]

Completely with old timey bellows 😂

[green bronze]

After reading this message got out of my bed and submitted 10 more applications

I wanna stay in my bubble Fr

😊

[inner prawn]

Lol sending more apps is good, 2nd comment of yours isn’t

Good to expand your horizons

Or you’ll never be happy

[green bronze]

Tbh the salary is nice but I’m really interested in high growth companies

I wanna retire fast

Not tryna die in this rat race

[chilly burrow]

This server is so crazy 2 me

Y'all dont even hav jobs yet

talkin abt retiring

[green bronze]

I do have a job who r u talking 2

[chilly burrow]

and makin 200k like its ez

[inner prawn]

It’s usually those people

[chilly burrow]

fair enuf

[inner prawn]

Who haven’t even worked for a year lol

[chilly burrow]

i apologiz den

[green bronze]

I haven’t worked a FTE true

[chilly burrow]

wait intern?

[green bronze]

But I’ve spent enough time in industry to make a valid choice

Yes i have more then 1 yr experience

[chilly burrow]

bruhhh

[green bronze]

Do u see the chat we’re in

[chilly burrow]

intenrnships r not real ft experience

[green bronze]

If u work dogshit companies it isn’t

[chilly burrow]

i also hav a 1yoe exp den

[green bronze]

I legit work in customer facing products every internship

[chilly burrow]

same

[green bronze]

I have always asked for high impact positions and try my best to scale fast

[chilly burrow]

dat isnt close to ft imo

[inner prawn]

I’ve worked like 60 hours a week for a year, it’s definitely a different perspective. Full time experience

Prob still seem like a noob to the 5-10 YOE ppl lol

[green bronze]

Well obviously but claiming that my experiences aren’t “FTE” is such bullshit

[chilly burrow]

its not tho

i aint claimin urs isnt

[green bronze]

I legit had to do more work then most new grads in 3 month stints

Like ur legit joking

[inner prawn]

Internships still don’t count

[chilly burrow]

ok 😃 👍

[inner prawn]

Until you sign an actual full time offer letter

[green bronze]

You guys live in a bubble lmfao

Working for free btw

[chilly burrow]

ur workin for free?

[green bronze]

Where did u intern?

No you ARE

[chilly burrow]

y does dat matter

[green bronze]

If you are not gaining experience

[inner prawn]

What do you mean, I get paid lol

[chilly burrow]

it doesnt matter where im workin

im getting paid

[green bronze]

Cuz it’s obviously not real “experience”

[chilly burrow]

and im learning

[chilly burrow]

ok 😃 👍

[green bronze]

??

Paid in what?

[chilly burrow]

exposure 😃 👍

[green bronze]

Wasn’t talking to you

[inner prawn]

Money….

[green bronze]

So you worked yes?

[inner prawn]

Full time for a year

[green bronze]

You learned stuff? You implemented stuff? You gave input? All true or no?

[inner prawn]

Yeah, why

Not as much as I’d like to though, that’s why I’m switching out lol

[green bronze]

Wait r u an intern slum?

[dusty basin]

He’s ft

[green bronze]

Makes sense

This conversation isn’t for you then

[chilly burrow]

i am an intern

[inner prawn]

Lol what was this convo about again

[chilly burrow]

and while i had impact i do not think it is the same as a ft role

[inner prawn]

I thought you were saying intern experience counts as full time

[green bronze]

Idk soulkks was going off on how experience aren’t real internships cuz he worked deadens jobs

[chilly burrow]

i didnt say that

[dusty basin]

Afaik this is about fte and intern being diff

After reading the few messages I did

[chilly burrow]

^ ya i mean dis

[green bronze]

It’s obviously different but saying as intern your impact and experience are irrelevant is crazy

[chilly burrow]

i nvr said dat

[green bronze]

Have you ever seen a jr dev?

[chilly burrow]

yes

[iron lily]

He likely had better internships than you’ve ever had dude

[chilly burrow]

it doesnt matter either way

[green bronze]

My best friend worked at google for 3 summers and bro works on mid internal tools every year like c’mon

That’s not the same at all

[chilly burrow]

thats still work

[green bronze]

Like internships wildly different

[chilly burrow]

are you saying that an infra engineer is somehow less than a product engineer then?

cause thats kinda whack

[green bronze]

No I’m saying google has interns work on mid internal tools that never get used sometimes and that leads to a terrible “experience” as an internship

It’s not comparable to someone who interned at startup for a summer and worked 70 hours a week

[dusty basin]

Overall point is

[chilly burrow]

it's hard to compare the value someone gained from an internships solely from hours worked or the product created imo

[dusty basin]

Still doesn’t count as FTE

No matter how u slice it

[chilly burrow]

^ yeah this is all im sayin

[green bronze]

FTE obviously have more impact but as an intern your time is limited and if you work on product facing environments YOU likely have to scale fast or faster then a jr dev in the same period

[chilly burrow]

impact is not the only qualification of a swe

[dusty basin]

You also have a shit ton of hand holding as intern usually

[chilly burrow]

there are difference expectations for interns and ft

[dusty basin]

^

[chilly burrow]

u prob arent going to be fired as an intern

[peak ferry]

fr? I've been scammed

[green bronze]

Are u joking? When have u ever met a golden jr dev right out the gate???

[dusty basin]

Lol ur an exception

[chilly burrow]

they never said out of the gate did they

[chilly burrow]

my first internship i had no hand-holding lol

it was kinda nice tho

[peak ferry]

no shot I'm actually unsure the "normal" amount of handholding for interns

[green bronze]

Highkey been the same for me

[chilly burrow]

my manager told me to googl shit

[green bronze]

I get absurdly broad hints that require me to spend an extra half day tryna understand what’s going on

[wicked pendant]

i tried to figure out things out on my own but then manager gave me feedback that i wasnt communicating fast enough on roadblocks </3

[green bronze]

Idk what jr devs these dudes work with but they usually get more time to scale compared to interns

[peak ferry]

I basically just got treated like a jr swe except I didn't have on call and worked on a mostly silo'd project

[green bronze]

Asking too many questions > asking too little

[peak ferry]

my manager joked about putting me on the on call rotation and I thought he was serious

[chilly burrow]

my first internship i had no project 😭

i just did tickets

[green bronze]

This is exactly my point

[chilly burrow]

i dont agree wit ur point

becuz regardless of performance

i wasnt really at risk of being fired

[green bronze]

Performance doesn’t matter 🤦🏿‍♂️

Only for return offers

Or other bs

Impact matters

[chilly burrow]

for ft it does

[chilly burrow]

impact doesnt matter for interns

[green bronze]

Yes for FT it does cuz they are getting paid for it

[chilly burrow]

how much u learn does

[green bronze]

How do you show you learned??

[chilly burrow]

i tink we hav vastly differing opinions on dis subject

[green bronze]

Go ahead and tell me mr

[chilly burrow]

you dont need impact to show what you learnt

you can just discuss projects

what i mean is that the scope of impact doesnt correlate with amount learnt or skill

[peak ferry]

I honestly don't even understand what is getting argued over kekw

[green bronze]

I can read a book on any tech stack and have a discussion with an engineer within the day

[chilly burrow]

me neither tbh

[chilly burrow]

ur a genius then

[green bronze]

That doesn’t mean shit

[chilly burrow]

i cant lol

[green bronze]

🤦🏿‍♂️

[iron lily]

r/iamverysmart

[green bronze]

It’s rhetorical

You can do it too

[chilly burrow]

i cant 😔

[green bronze]

It’s the same concept as “reading” to learn compared to “doing” to learn

[chilly burrow]

my gpa is in the trenches

[green bronze]

Just because you read or watched a video on a topic is the easiest way to think you are learning but in reality you aren’t as much without doing

[dusty basin]

They also don’t have to deal with the same level of expectations as jr devs

[green bronze]

Jr devs have no expectations for like 4-6 months at any reasonable company

[dusty basin]

This is a dumb af take

[green bronze]

It’s true asf and u know it

[dusty basin]

You’re expected to ramp up to some extent

[dusty basin]

Lol yea sure. My fte < ur fte, right?

[green bronze]

Yes you’re running in circles now, but apples to apples; intern has 3 months compared to jr dev in the same period

[dusty basin]

Yeah with more hand-holding apart from the select few who are unlucky enough to get shit team

[green bronze]

Why do you keep bringing up hand holding??

[dusty basin]

And only one specific project or bug tickets most of the time

[green bronze]

First job in industry as new grad you legit get a diaper LUl

No reasonable company is gonna abandon a fresh dev

R u insane

[dusty basin]

Yea lmk when ur ft bro

[green bronze]

😂😂😂😂

[primal pike]

https://tenor.com/view/bluewhale-ahbw-all-hail-blue-whale-aleazimology-gulfcity-gif-21205006

[green bronze]

Me when I use appeal to authority

[vital meteor]

Companies dont consider intern exp as ft exp

[chilly burrow]

can i download this?

i tink its funi

[green bronze]

Yes, we know

[primal pike]

whats ur email ill send u the .exe

very safu

[vital meteor]

That's only the valid point the rest are so ymmv like working on real shit or w/e

[marsh stirrup]

why is your pfp joma tech 😭

[chilly burrow]

i'm ok wit jus downloadin the gif

[green bronze]

I agree with you 100%, I just feel like saying an interns experience when they worked on real problems isn’t the same experience as FTEs is crazy

[vital meteor]

Yea it's pretty dependent on where you interned and what you did

[green bronze]

Thank you, you’re affirming my position 🤝

[primal pike]

facts im responsible for the entire full stack of my startup

[green bronze]

That discord stack goes crazy huh, all the hustling channel and back rooms

[chilly burrow]

There's backrooms?

[primal pike]

what

[inner prawn]

Common Tate W

[stoic bone]

Has anyone given Optiver OA? Why does the second question say "several hours" is it a coding assignment?

Also has anyone given Blackrock assessment

?

[inner prawn]

Is that an Indian thing to say you give assessments?

Rather than take

[primal pike]

assessment give
assessment take

like the market with my money

[vast gyro]

yeah seems to be a nonamerican english thing
i've only started to hear it once i found this server and like cs reddits

american english: take assessment
other english: give assessment

[inner prawn]

Yeah same. Took me a while to realize they weren’t giving the test to someone else lol

[vast gyro]

lmao yeah same

[patent gyro]

i have an offer but i feel it’s a little less. how do i go about negotiating without having any other offer in hand?

[calm shale]

Bring up market price. Look up what other people got that ur company.

[patent gyro]

market price is 12-15k higher

[peak ferry]

tell ‘em ur interviewing elsewhere and in final stages and you’ll sign if they give you X amount more lol

[patent gyro]

it’s a return offer from an internship

[peak ferry]

Yea you can still tell em ur interviewing at other places

[patent gyro]

what other interns got offered is similar to what they offered me

[peak ferry]

Well actually if you don’t mind sharing— where? Some places don’t nego ng (ex amazon)

[inner prawn]

What exactly is market price and where do you find that

[patent gyro]

i looked it up on levels and glassdoor

[lapis cove]

what are the 200k TC positions available rn that aren't companies one would already be aware of?

[austere zephyr]

What is the question like?

[night magnet]

I just went on levels and went all the way down

PDT partners

Woven plant (Toyota)

There was an ng tesla offer for 200k iirc

[inner prawn]

What is this obsession with specifically 200k ng, does that mean you made it in life

[lapis cove]

nah lol i just dont want to apply to stuff worse than what im currently doing

[night magnet]

Yes

[inner prawn]

Overrated

[lapis cove]

moneys money

[hexed moth]

i agree slum

[night magnet]

Yeah ur opinions fair

[austere zephyr]

Got rejected from chick fil a with Adobe on resume 💀

[night magnet]

Shi didn’t even know CFA was open

Tryna cop those chicken sandwiches

[iron herald]

CFA is crazy hard to get past resume

[night magnet]

Weird

[austere zephyr]

Would not expect them

[stoic belfry]

for internship?

[formal fable]

PDT auto rejects so hard, IDK why

[delicate hatch]

Does Amazon do portal updates during the weekend?

[night magnet]

Oh nice then I’ll look forward to that lol

[weak latch]

Damn I got rejected from JPMC real quick

I swear they have an auto OA I didn’t even get that

I wonder if it’s a grad date thing or something that I put on the app that just triggered it to insta reject

Okay yeah it is graduation date they said up till June 2023, god damn it

My summer graduation really isn’t helping me

[rose field]

why can I seldom see posts about IMC's interviews? Does it hire only a few?

[obsidian marsh]

anyone got cfa application link

[jaunty basalt]

so them specifically, the ahve two start dates, kind of like a cohort thing, one is january and the other is july, and this is consistent across multiple years

[weak latch]

Oh I see

Hopefully that’s not a norm

Because my grad date might cuck me

[jaunty basalt]

for the most part no

its either they have start date u can move around or the cohort date starts usually end of august

thats how i think most of my offers worked, except like jpmc and atlassian which are all july

[zinc raven]

how are you guys getting interviews? I've had my resume reviewed by a few people and they all said itw as fine but I'm getting a lot of auto rejections

[surreal shuttle]

That is life

[weak latch]

All about spamming your resume to every company 🤷‍♂️ eventually one will stick

[zinc raven]

😿

[faint igloo]

i think regarding auto rejects, time of app as well as whether u need sponsorships play a big role

not sure if that applys to u tho

[hexed moth]

still no karat, pain

[summer olive]

Is this for people graduating in May 2023? https://careers.google.com/jobs/results/131020049566573254-software-engineer-early-career-campus/

why does it have that early deadline?

[sharp stream]

Does anyone know if codesignal general coding assessments are the same difficulty no matter what position you are going for? I am applying for a new grad role so would it be easier than the general codesignal assessment for someone senior level?

or is codesignal just codesignal

[exotic oracle]

i think its meant to be the same difficulty

just rng on the questions you get

companies might be able to choose those maybe

[sharp stream]

Seems like it should not be that way but I think I agree it probably is

[lilac siren]

my connection in Google told me we could start earlier if we get their offer

[sharp stream]

about to do my first one ever and have not done insane amounts of leetcode so we shall see what happens I guess

[lilac siren]

Not quite sure about this

[late kestrel]

dont worry if you dont get a super good score. first ones always the toughest. try questions 1->2->4 as fast as you can.

[exotic oracle]

so legit dont do 3?

unless it seems easy

and you get like 800+?

i had an 845 or smthn last year but i got 4 questions i knew how to do

[sharp stream]

So if I have no clue on a question is there anything you can do to gain a few extra points lol

[sharp stream]

I heard this is the way most people try to do them

[exotic oracle]

if you can quickly knock out some test cases maybe

[sharp stream]

got it

[late kestrel]

idk the exact #s but you do lose points on speed. but if you think you can do 3 then any points you get from it probably outweigh the speed factor

[upper socket]

anyone do the jpm hirevue? they messed up the first time and it was only hackerrank so they requested folks to apply again and i got a hirevue this time

[wind drum]

has anyone actually heard from roblox post OA? it says they'll reply in under 10 days but i haven't seen anyone move on