canada

[steel escarp]

Ye

[tight gale]

ahh i see thanks good idea

[steel escarp]

But how can u max out tfsa with ur internship salary

Thats insane 🤣

Assuming u paid all the debt and stuff

[tight gale]

ill be working ft

[novel dome]

isnt tfsa just like 6k a year

[steel escarp]

ye

but it start stacking when u turn 18

iirc

[novel dome]

shouldnt be that hard to max

[steel escarp]

well assuming that u could pay off ur tuition loan and max tfsa

its still very impressive

[left plover]

well tbf you'd max tfsa before tuition loan, tuition is interest free

[novel dome]

ye ye

take ur osap and stuff it in tfsa

[steel escarp]

curious what do u guys usually buy when u put money in tfsa?

[quiet ferry]

i made the mistake of buying arkk in my tfsa

now im only buying vfv and xeqt

[steel escarp]

icic

[ruby fossil]

I just look at the biggest losers because what goes down must come up

[steel escarp]

what is it

gotta buy when its still a loser

[ruby fossil]

https://www.coinbase.com/price/terra-luna

I can sell to you for a good price

💰

[steel escarp]

is it still a thing?

🤣

heard binance already banned it

[novel dome]

vfv mostly

even though market decided to correct itself after i bought

also xgro/vgro

[steel escarp]

it looks like canadian market is pretty stable compared to us

[dark portal]

yo

anyone here know how much zynga ng is?

[smoky cape]

I think 95-100k

[ornate sigil]

any insight on the highest paying ng positions in Canada? Wish and Amazon still pay the most?

[steel escarp]

there are couple places pay more than 200k

like stripe and other stuff

[ornate sigil]

ayo 200k in Toronto??

that’s chopped

[steel escarp]

Ye

[ornate sigil]

dam, curious as to what the other places are

[steel escarp]

Maybe some us based companies

Nuro doordash?

[storm stream]

lots of sketchy data on levels.fyi lol

[ornate sigil]

ayo wtf

L3 240k

[storm stream]

Is that before or after Wish stock tanked? 😅

[ornate sigil]

i’m guessing before

no way it’s after

how does wish even make money they sell absolute garbage lol

[tawny zephyr]

ikr

they probs gon scam their emoloyees on their salary

[tight gale]

wow didnt know wish tc was that high

applying now

[mild aurora]

ya i dont trust a word it says lol

[storm stream]

The US data is on point but the Canada stuff is weird LOL

[tight gale]

applications seem to be open for wish if anyone was interested

[storm stream]

Noice... But I don't trust that stock not one bit

[frozen umbra]

You mean the 2 dollar stock lmao

[desert vine]

anyone have experience getting a TN with a non-CS degree?

[vivid fiber]

I would apply, but I've got no Android exp 😔

[frozen umbra]

Isnt this a new grad position. You can still apply and see what happens

[vivid fiber]

One of the qualifications is 1+ years of Android dev experience

[frozen umbra]

Yolo, just throw an app in

Maybe they dont get enough, so they start accepting people with lower experience?

[vivid fiber]

Tru

I guess there's no harm in applying 🤷‍♂️

[frozen umbra]

yup, tho im not sure how much you would want to work at wish lmao

I think I would be too much on the edge everyday wondering if ill lose my job

[vivid fiber]

I can be picky once I have offers

Until I have an offer I'll apply everywhere

[frozen umbra]

Oh i thought you had an offer

wait

arent you working at snap as an intern?

[vivid fiber]

Ya

This is for new grad tho

[frozen umbra]

Why not try to get a return offer there for new grad

thats probably WAY better than working at wish

[vivid fiber]

Definitely

I'm tryna get a return offer

But I don't have a guaranteed one

[frozen umbra]

I heard from previous employees, their code base is very intern code like

[vivid fiber]

Plus Snap's future hiring is unknown with how the stock is

[vivid fiber]

Again, I can be picky once I have a job offer 🤷‍♂️

I don't wanna work at Wish

But being unemployed is worse

[frozen umbra]

your applying to 2023 new grad right?

[vivid fiber]

And their base pay is still very good

[vivid fiber]

Ya

[frozen umbra]

Why not just wait until like end of your internship term to start applying

[vivid fiber]

Snap doesn't give return offers immediately after your internship ends afaik

[frozen umbra]

Hmm true

[vivid fiber]

Also I rather secure an offer asap

[frozen umbra]

I guess

[vivid fiber]

If I get something better I'll just reneg 🤷‍♂️

[frozen umbra]

I waited until the end of my Oracle internship before I started applying

But could be cause I wasnt graduating in uncertain times

[vivid fiber]

I would've waited as well, but with the way the tech market is I want a secure offer

[frozen umbra]

yeah thats true

Have you done other internships before?

if so you can try to hit thos companies up

To see if they are going to hire a 2023 new grad

[steel escarp]

Did u start applying yet?

[vivid fiber]

There's only been 2 other places that I've seen with 2023 new grad positions lol

[steel escarp]

Ye sadge

[vivid fiber]

Ya, that's a good point I should

[placid dawn]

bru

[timid tartan]

Is this for new grad?

[vivid fiber]

It's under the University section but from the application it seems like it's supposed to be for experienced swes

So it may be misplaced

[timid tartan]

Hmmm interesting

[tawny zephyr]

tn?

[desert vine]

tn visa

[tawny zephyr]

oh no clue

[topaz saddle]

anyone here went through TN visa process?

[steel escarp]

@timid tartan is giving out free circle and cb's referrals dm him to get it before its to lateee

[storm stream]

Broo imagine all the cheap RSUs 2023 new grad will get

Shit will moon afterwards

[steel escarp]

Ye

Work for luna and vest that free coins 🤣

[storm stream]

[timid tartan]

Nah I don't give it out for free

Gotta solve LC hard first

🤣

[steel escarp]

Didnt u fail couple of lc hard interviews? 👀

[timid tartan]

Ye

🤣

[storm stream]

@timid tartan is cb doing hiring freeze?

[timid tartan]

Yeee until June 6

[storm stream]

Damn that's it? Sick

[steel escarp]

Go get cb

So i will have 3 cb referrals

[timid tartan]

Well no the June 6 is just for them to decide what to do

Might be another hiring freeze

Who knows xD

[storm stream]

If they see my resume and then see yours, I will get blacklisted and you will get hire promo'd to L5

[timid tartan]

Nah not even L5

He will be the CTO

[steel escarp]

Thats what @timid tartan said

[timid tartan]

Don't underestimate him like that damn

[steel escarp]

Till they saw his resume

[timid tartan]

That's disrepectful

🤣

[timid tartan]

-_-

[storm stream]

@steel escarp LinkedIn be like "ex Neo intern, CTO of Coinbase"

[timid tartan]

[steel escarp]

There are reasons why @timid tartan got cb in fall while i got unemployment

[timid tartan]

You didn't even apply duh

[steel escarp]

Thats the dream

[timid tartan]

And you can't intern in the Fall either

🙂

[steel escarp]

Doesnt change the fact that ur cb and me unemployment

[timid tartan]

...

[placid dawn]

you're welcome

[steel escarp]

curious if u do well in GsoC

are u guaranteed to have an interview with google?

[fickle juniper]

Not even a little

[steel escarp]

sdage

i thought its sthing like if u do well then they will give u a chance

[fickle juniper]

I'm technically not working for Google tho is the thing

Am working for an organization sponsored by Google if that makes sense

I heard they used to give a referral for internship if u do well, but not anymore

Good thing is I can put "Google Summer of Code" in work exp

[steel escarp]

or just google 🤣

@timid tartan taught me not to show recruiters things that they dont need to know

badddd kid

[timid tartan]

???????

Bruh what

[steel escarp]

Wut?

[orchid robin]

👀

[novel dome]

does rbc do multi round for interns?

[tacit tree]

There used to referral kind of thing if you complete GSoC but that is also removed now afaik

[tacit tree]

Yeah, I saw someone doing it lol

[gloomy nymph]

any1 here interview with surve monke?

[worldly ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-conduciendo-gif-24377638

elliptic i thought you alredy accepted an offer in boston

[gloomy nymph]

I did, I'm just curious

[ornate sigil]

how are fellow Canadians doing today 😊

[oblique crater]

[placid dawn]

[cursive blaze]

got a new keeb in so feeling pretty great

[mild aurora]

should i apply to the us even though im not ready or should i wait till i have more leetcode in my system

[fickle juniper]

just do it lol

u might get lucky and get questions you've seen before

and worst case you'll get some extra interview experience

[fickle juniper]

not too shabby! Hows it going?

[ornate sigil]

not bad, pretty warm out today

[fickle juniper]

whereabouts are ya?

[boreal sentinel]

had day off because of memorial day

nice to see not everything closed on my day off : )

[ornate sigil]

toronto

for now

hbu?

[fickle juniper]

im based in Van

actually in Seattle right now

waiting for my flight to Boston 😄

[boreal sentinel]

ive always wanted to go to van

no harsh winters 😋

[left plover]

Hubspot , hf .eth

[fickle juniper]

thaaaaanks coco

[fickle juniper]

wait lol did you dox me for a sec there :kek:

[left plover]

[fickle juniper]

all good haha

[ornate sigil]

jeez

i’m going to van next month

and then cali in nov

[left plover]

amazon? and wtf which internship starts in nov

[ornate sigil]

nah just for vacay

[ornate sigil]

i’m newgrad

i start in nov

[left plover]

ohhhh, have fun though that's amazing

[ornate sigil]

tyty

[fickle juniper]

eyyy nice!

what are you doing in van?

[ornate sigil]

just chilling visiting friends

i worked there last summer

[fickle juniper]

nice nice

[ornate sigil]

at amz lmao

a lot of ppl i interned with went back, i haven’t seen them in a while

[fickle juniper]

oh that's sick

honestly Im going to miss Van summer

[ornate sigil]

wyd in Boston

work? or school?

[fickle juniper]

am doing an internship

[ornate sigil]

ouu in boston

[fickle juniper]

at Hubspot

[ornate sigil]

nice!

[fickle juniper]

yeah never would've thoguht to go to boston lol

[ornate sigil]

it’s a nice city, my parents been a few times

i can’t wait to relo to cali

west coast life

[fickle juniper]

yeah that's going to be sick

would love to live in cali

[ornate sigil]

ya looks cozy

just need to make sure my apparentment not too far from the office

no i haven’t even started looking

[fickle juniper]

oh lol dumb question

[ornate sigil]

but i should

get 1 month of corp housing tho

so that helps

[fickle juniper]

ohhh for sure

[maiden osprey]

anybody interned at greenline POS vancouver?

[eternal fossil]

soooo square ghosted me after my first round of engineer pair programming

not sure if this is common occurrence because no reply from recruiters either

[eternal fossil]

i thought it went really well

:/

oh well

wouldve loved to work there

[thick sinew]

is anyone here from uoft by any chance

[worn moss]

No that’s a pretty unheard of school and like it’s pretty bad ngl

[thick sinew]

yea its pretty bad ngl I doubt anyone goes there

[mental marsh]

the first time I pay this server a visit in months and your here

[thick sinew]

bruh what are the odds

@mental marsh where is the best place to apply for internships when u dont got waterloo works

[mental marsh]

easiest id say UofT portal to land a job normally internal portals are easiest to land

everything else is just linkedin

[thick sinew]

I dont think we even have a portal

I applied thru linkedin last cycle

but I wasnt finding much internships there

[mental marsh]

Dude its annoying af

Summer 2023 started

[thick sinew]

[mental marsh]

drop your linkedin btw

do you have AMZGen on your resume

👀

[thick sinew]

I have it on my projects lmfao

[thick sinew]

ill dm u

[mental marsh]

3rd

finished??

coops 5 years idk how to count it

so like schooling wise

2.5 years in

yuupp

wbu

TMU Gang

[thick sinew]

wait so there is one

@weak gazelle which campus are you?

[mental marsh]

reping the safety injection site

[thick sinew]

oh i see

im mississsauga

but im in my sg 223 lecture rn

nah im only first year

I applied for this summer and didnt get anything

just OA for IBM

but it was 16 months

maybe i shouldve pursued it

why not

i mean its way too long

over a year is too much time

yea thats true

yea it would be worth it there

[mental marsh]

dude looking for internships is going to be back to back

once you get a job you gotta start looking for the next

fun? bro who fed you crack as a child

[thick sinew]

do u know if its possible to do asip if youre not at sg

I dont think they do

they have one for only utm jobs

[thick sinew]

@weak gazelle how much internships has asip gotten you

[worn moss]

any big names

?

[spring wren]

im from uoft too

[worn moss]

Ahh thus uw better then uoft

QED

[thick sinew]

QED

PEY is only 4th year right

have u gotten anything earlier

oh actually?

I just made it in lmao

93 in csc148 and 88 in 102

can i apply for pey if im like

second year rn

my first year just finished so technically at the moment im second

ohh okay

interesting

are you allowed to take courses while on PEY

[worn moss]

12 mont coop is pretty downy tho do they let u split up

[thick sinew]

wait wut

asip is only at the sg campus

at other campuses its still there i believe

you shoulda negotiated salaries

if you couldve

Bro I gotta drive to utm rn

I’m bout to be late to my tutorial lmfao

Yea

Ali?

I’m taking 223 at sg

No clue tbh

I didn’t land an internship for this summer so decided I shouldn’t waste my time

I’m trying to balance both at the same time rn

But it’s kinda difficult since the moment I take my eyes off school I’m already behind

Yea honestly I kinda feel the same

I have a 4 rn

But I don’t think that matters at all once u pass post

I’ll probably end up the same way

Because I’m literally wasting my attention on classes

Oh I see

Just like Waterloo co op kids

I wish I could transfer to sg for asip

But they made it so only grades at 148 and 165 taken at the sg campus count

That’s pretty good wtf

Damn I didn’t know that

[worn moss]

Nah 1A is pretty much 100% but I mean like 30% of those ppl are doing service desk jobs

Nah that rarely happens dk like Ik if u don’t get a coop they kinda like force u to work for them

As like a service desk job or smthg

Yea

[thick sinew]

LOL

[worn moss]

Like Ik my friend in math rn first year didint get anythinggg 2 interviews but he chocked(he didint have any experience and just projects from class) he ended up working soft dev for the uni for his coop term

[frozen umbra]

No you wouldnt...

My resume after 1st year was just a damn QA role lmao

No projects

other than school projects

? majority of first years will get something along the lines of QA

You wouldnt be behind if you went to waterloo

you would be just going at the normal pace

I just graduated last term

Well yeah...

If you work and grind at any school, youll be able to get it

You just get like more internship experience in loo, and be able to try out different positions

uoft scarborough?

I was just saying no you wouldnt to you being behind if you were in loo

If SG changed their coop program, then hell, it wouldnt matter

Just that youll see more US and bigger names in the Loo internal job board than torontos.

Tho if you apply externally, youll be fine

idk

I used the job board the entire time

my gf used it as well

I think my friends who got into google and linkedin also did, just they also did external as well

Basically, most people will still use the job board, but also do external applicaitons as well

I think the people going for the quants will probably not use it, as the only ones I see are Cit and Jane street

[oblique crater]

waterloo job board has a dating section

[thick sinew]

damn

what year were you applying in

[thick sinew]

thats still better than most first years tbh

[frozen umbra]

In loo? no most of ECE that i know which was around 20% of the class? had QA roles or even dev roles after our 1st year

[thick sinew]

oh okay

well better than most first years at uoft lol

[oblique crater]

many of the students at my uni don't even get an internship

[eternal fossil]

its a different type of atmosphere

i feel like US school freshmen are cracked

[oblique crater]

nah lmfao, there are so many college students in the US, so it seems that way

the average US freshman is at parties and barely keeping up with schoolwork let alone making projects or grinding LC

[fickle juniper]

Damn I wish I was a US freshman

[oblique crater]

not when you see the price

[fickle juniper]

Those suckas

Paying Canadian tuition -> TN + US job too OP

[cursive blaze]

I mean to be fair uni is the time to do that stuff

[oblique crater]

oh I agree, it must be a healthy balance tbh

[cursive blaze]

I partied quite a bit throughout my degree 🤣 but I also met really good connections and friends that way

[oblique crater]

like I don't think your chances for FT role significantly increase after 2 or 3 good internships

[oblique crater]

my 1st year was a disaster for this very reason

[cursive blaze]

I probably partied until 3rd year until Covid shut everything down 😅

[vivid fiber]

How much does it cost?

[oblique crater]

I never said I stopped but I definitely cutback to not fail

[cursive blaze]

Making a lot of friends in your CS classes is also the best thing to do in uni

[oblique crater]

$60k a year roughly

[vivid fiber]

Wtf

[cursive blaze]

So many friends in different orgs now makes it easy for referrals and things like that

[vivid fiber]

Is this for international students?

[gloomy nymph]

Yeah no lol

[cursive blaze]

I averaged like a 3.2 through uni 🤣 nothing special but enough to get by

[vivid fiber]

Counterpoint: Just make friends in all your classes in uni

It's nice to have friends ☺️

[cursive blaze]

Why not? I mean from my experience all the folks I graduated with from my uni during like the same 1-3 yr span have an alumni discord

[oblique crater]

depends on the uni, private schools are like that for everyone, states schools are cheapers for residents of that state

[cursive blaze]

Super nice to ask about companies from people you went to school with

[oblique crater]

that's like above average dude

[cursive blaze]

To be fair, it was probably a 3.0 on the dot but my last year during Covid I crushed it

Remote made it easier

[gloomy nymph]

Maybe in uOttawa it’s different lol

Or maybe it’s just me. Could be both

[cursive blaze]

Idk I went to a smaller school, but like have friends at Doordash, Intuit, Jobber, Microsoft, etc

Jobber actually hired like 15 grads over the years I swear from my school

[vivid fiber]

What's a private school vs a state school?

[oblique crater]

Jobber seems cool tbh, i wonder how they pay

[oblique crater]

Duke University vs San Jose State University

[cursive blaze]

I’ve heard really good things, granted a bunch of my friends work there. I think pay is about average for a well funded startup in Canada

[oblique crater]

if you want a top US school the price is going to be the same for everyone but americans can get financial aid way easier

[oblique crater]

yeah I met a bunch of non technical people from Jobber and it seems like an awesome place to work

[cursive blaze]

They did a lot of tech talks at their office while I was in school & like had events where the founders were there chatting

Was nice to actually talk with them

Super down to earth folks

WLB is really good too from what I’ve seen

[frozen umbra]

What is jobber?

[oblique crater]

it's a canadian startup in Alberta

[frozen umbra]

Hmm i see

[oblique crater]

essentially a booking software for businesses

[cursive blaze]

https://getjobber.com

[oblique crater]

yeah UofT and UBC follow the american model for international students

[fickle juniper]

I've not spent 60k on my education in my entire life

That is brutal

[worn moss]

drop out

[frozen umbra]

I think i spent like 50k Cad in total for my uni

And i paid off majority with coop

[worn moss]

if im "officially" under the role full-stack intern or full stack developer or software developer u think i can rename it to swe just for the sake of consistency and resume screening?

[fickle juniper]

Yeah

[thick sinew]

@weak gazelle what happened to the side biz

i was interested in that

[oblique crater]

and McGill but both of those are slightly cheaper

[thick sinew]

oh rip

it sounded cool

its not too late to start applying for fall 2022 right

okok good

my friend at waterloo is already getting interviews

[novel dome]

call it swe

[thick sinew]

waterloo works effect

[novel dome]

everything is swe

just gotta belive

incoming swe @ mcdonald

[thick sinew]

protected?

[novel dome]

incoming swe @ local gents club

[worn moss]

and yo while u guys are active is it recommended to put my location for the internship if its in person

i heard thats its looked down upon

[novel dome]

^

no1 would care

all that matters is comp name + ur work

[vivid fiber]

Technically you can get fined for it

But it rarely ever happens

Usually they just ask you to change the title

[vivid walrus]

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/microsoft-vancouver-office-b6-tower-expansion-location

[worldly ridge]

I'm curious guys, for the average cs dev you guys make more money in Canada living rent free with your parents vs living in the US?
I did my caluclations and everything, I m able to save ~1.5-2x my income staying put in Canada rn vs NYC with a software eng with 2 YOE (living with roomates and being frugal in NYC/NJ).

I can save liek 36k USD livinng frugally in NYC/NJ 2 YOE from now, and if I stay put in Canada I can save almost my salary which is llike 60k USD (with my salary rn). I thought ill be saving more T_T

[desert vine]

i'm making a similar move rn, ~1 yoe canada to nyc. although for me i've been paying rent so for sure i'll be saving more

i guess at that point it's more of a personal decision. i'd say go for it because the US cs market is stronger, and in general i think it's better to be in the US long-term TC wise. also u get to experience nyc. and u can always come back later on if u don't like it

[cursive blaze]

I mean yeah you’ll probably save more living with your parents. But honestly the freedom of living on your own is just fantastic and worth every penny in my mind.

Also imo, I feel like US salaries are spilling into Canada at a quicker pace lately.

You’ll still make more in the US probably as a new grad / early career . However, the higher you go I think you can hit pretty good comp in Canada (and even get paid in USD depending on the org)

Friend of mine just recently got 155k base USD from a US org , 3 yrs experience but still

That’s crazy good for Canada

[worldly ridge]

Thanks for sharing, hmm are you sugesting that say a 5 YOE eng in NYC is valued differently by employers than a 5YOE eng in CAD? because another option is just to get 5 YOE in CAD -> get 5 YOE salary in NYC afterwards

[worldly ridge]

Yeah this is deifnitly something im taking account of, we are still young and dont have this chance forever. Its just so friggin expensive thats making me hesitate a bit 💀

[worldly ridge]

Thats crazy good! thats the average sakllary for a NYC dev with 2 YOE!!

I think salaries are increasing here too, but im not sure by how much

me and my friends have gotteon > 100k CAD offers from non-FAANG as new grads Not sure if its luck though or a genuione trend.

[cursive blaze]

I have 1 yr exp and started a new job couple weeks ago I’m over 100k as well

Non-Faang

[worldly ridge]

But to be fair when I was interviewing a good amount of of companies still disclosed <100k

thats good!

But again, not enough sample size

[cursive blaze]

This is why I think it’s worth it while you’re young it’s nice to just give it a shot. Plenty of time when you’re older to be less risk averse imo

Yeah also it’s good to take into account WLB as well

A good wlb is worth a decent amount for me

[worldly ridge]

Are ya planing to move next year Jados?

[cursive blaze]

Nah I recently moved into a place with my girlfriend in Calgary

Will be here for at least a year or two

Would love to live in Van tho for a bit

[worldly ridge]

Ahh nice nice!

Your not planing to move to the US?

Vancouver is so nice

I want to retire there 💀

[cursive blaze]

I did plan on it initially during school but it lost the appeal to me tbh

The gun stuff is a bit sketchy

[frozen umbra]

The recent news makes me question my decision to move

[desert vine]

nah i think they're valued the same. i moreso meant being in the US the earlier the better, and there's generally more opportunities there. but y'all bring up good points, canada market slowly catching up. also prob a bit biased cuz i've always wanted to be in nyc

[cursive blaze]

It just feels like there’s no plans to even improve what’s happening

[frozen umbra]

yup

But i guess im only staying short term

[worldly ridge]

@cursive blaze @frozen umbra same T_T

I also dont like the politics in the US

but meh hopefuly it dosent harm me if I do move there

[frozen umbra]

The only good thing is that all my friends are moving to the same area as well

[worldly ridge]

me too, I loved nyc haha. Probs atleast going to tyr it out for 2 years or so

[frozen umbra]

So Itll be nice and easy to catch up with them

[cursive blaze]

Yeah that’ll be sweet

I think honestly once you reach senior level, working remote in Canada is probably quite similar pay to the US if you land a solid org

[frozen umbra]

Probably

[cursive blaze]

Have some friends reaching that level roughly and most are hitting 200-300+

[frozen umbra]

I just think canada is nicer to retire in

Might as well go to US and grind out a bit then come back

[cursive blaze]

Yeah and I mean like 200-300 in say AB goes quite far

[desert vine]

Yeah friends is a good point too. More of my friends are in the US vs here cuz everyone left when i graduated lol

Brain drain is real

[cursive blaze]

Yeee brain drain is a problem big time

[frozen umbra]

There just more high paying companies there

[cursive blaze]

I feel like more are expanding into Canada now tho

[frozen umbra]

Yeah theres more expansion into canada, but there still more in the US

[cursive blaze]

I feel like Spotify never hired Canadians before and now I’ve been seeing a ton of postings

Similar stuff happening for other orgs

[frozen umbra]

yup

Like there was no new grad positions for meta toronto

until this year

[cursive blaze]

Cheaper for them honestly & pretty on par engineering quality

[frozen umbra]

yup

[cursive blaze]

Plus no crazy time difference

Even at the same salaries but just do the CAD to USD conversion they save 20-30% per Engineer 🤣

[frozen umbra]

yup lmao

[south rose]

I heard Spotify pays low

Compared to other big tech

[frozen umbra]

Yup this i get. like 1/3 of my graduating class is moving to the US.

[south rose]

US will always be better than Canada for tech unfortunately

It’s better you move

[desert vine]

u from waterloo too?

[south rose]

Anyone here going to the US ? And in the process of TN?

[cursive blaze]

Yeah but compared to a lot of other orgs not necessarily big tech it’s quite good

[frozen umbra]

lmao you as well? what major

[desert vine]

yeah but i'm 2021 grad

[south rose]

I know but Spotify should be considered a big tech

[desert vine]

tron

[south rose]

Shopify pays 🥜

[frozen umbra]

ahh

2022 ECE

[south rose]

Fr these companies take advantage of Canadians

[cursive blaze]

I’ve heard senior they pay well but they lowball early career eng

[south rose]

Idk if they pay senior well tbh

[frozen umbra]

Where you working at rn?

[south rose]

I would say like 140k max

[desert vine]

just started the process yesterday lol

[south rose]

150-200 for senior max

[cursive blaze]

Nah have a friend of a friend making almost 300 there

[south rose]

Canadian ?

What level

[cursive blaze]

Yep

Senior

[south rose]

Years of exp?

Did he come from US

[cursive blaze]

I think around 4-5 I wanna say?

[frozen umbra]

Yup going through the process. Should be getting my TN in 15 days

[south rose]

Yeooooo

Same around 10 days

Do you go to person airport ??

[frozen umbra]

no

[desert vine]

amzn vancouver

[south rose]

Idk if I need to book an appointment

What’s your class A border

[frozen umbra]

ngl not even sure

All i got from my meta lawyers is that they sent it in

[desert vine]

how long the TN process take for y'all?

[frozen umbra]

and I got a receipt lmao

[south rose]

They sent it in ?

My lawyers sent me a package

With all papers

[worldly ridge]

you in loo? badminton 😉 ;)?

[south rose]

And I have to go in person

[frozen umbra]

yeah to some centre to petition for a TN1

yeah I havent recieved my package yet

[worldly ridge]

ah your in vancouver

[south rose]

Ah okok

I got mine now I have to go in person

[frozen umbra]

It was a struggle to get some documents since I couldnt get early diploma. But like they started the process on the 31st

[south rose]

But 5 days before start date

Same

I had to get early release took a while for me

[frozen umbra]

that moment when #canada is just canadians trying to go to the US

[south rose]

Fr

[frozen umbra]

We're just US jr

[south rose]

Do you know anything

about getting your h1b after or nah

[frozen umbra]

no clue

I think you just need your company to get you into the lottery

[worldly ridge]

i tthink u cant leae the country too iirc

when they do that

[frozen umbra]

But its not worth it for me, since ill need to stay in a company for like 6 years minimum to get green card

[worldly ridge]

hoenslty might be easier to just marry a us citizien

[frozen umbra]

Since i was born in china ;-;

Yeah its probably easier to marry a US citizen

[worldly ridge]

your waitlisted for 6 years?

[frozen umbra]

yeah

im stuck in the chinese immigration line

[worldly ridge]

Shit

[frozen umbra]

WHich is backlogged like hell

[worldly ridge]

I think India and china has it the worst

[frozen umbra]

its stupid how they do it based on your birth country rather than your citizenship

[worldly ridge]

CIAO NI MA

yeah that sucks :c

[vivid fiber]

What abt tax tho

Idk exactly how it works, but isn't Canadian tax higher?

[worldly ridge]

Yeah I did all the calculations and eveyrthing

I make more living rent free

[fickle juniper]

Idk about NYC but when I did some calculations for Van vs Seattle 200k income, u take home 1.5x in Seattle compared to Van (taking account income tax with no credits/deductions and conversion rate)

^ this is excluding CoL/rent, etc

[worldly ridge]

Are you living rent free in Van?

[fickle juniper]

No, but I could ig

[worldly ridge]

Oh sorry just saw your last message

Ohyeah you make more in the US

No im just speakign in terms of me living rent free in CAD

I make more in CAD than in the US bc I live rent free

[fickle juniper]

Pretty sure it’s not worth just based on the fact that u can easily make more off a US salary to cover that rent

For example its way easier to make 200k+ as a new grad in the US than Canada

Like I’m way more confident I can find 200k TC in US than in Canada

[worldly ridge]

Yeah you do, but I can save 60k USD here, whikle in the US its 30k USD. And im just statisticaly speaking for the average dev not a FAANG new grad

[fickle juniper]

Ur only saving 30k usd?? What are u spending money on?

Ohh average dev

How much does average US make vs Canada?

[cursive blaze]

It’s good to compare to an average dev imo.

[worldly ridge]

Yaa, in NYC its ~150k after 2YOE

Im beign conservative just in case

[fickle juniper]

150k in NYC is not a lot

[worldly ridge]

its like 150-170k

[fickle juniper]

NYC is like one of the highest CoL

So ofc things are going to cost more than if u compare with Canada

U can easily make over 150k in Canada just by starting at Amazon lol

[cursive blaze]

But then u gotta work at Amazon

Gotta pray to land on a good team

[worldly ridge]

Yee for sure

u make more in NYC than in TOR renting though

[fickle juniper]

From what I can tell it’s really hard to justify staying in Canada financially speaking

The reason to stay in Canada is not financial, it’s more other stuff like SO, friends, family, etc

[cursive blaze]

I think this is true for the average dev imo

If you’re a rockstar you can still make bank ez

[fickle juniper]

Yeah but if u can make bank here, u can make bank in the US as well

And u take home 1.5x in Seattle vs in Van

[cursive blaze]

Bruh there’s a guy who mentors students at the uni I went to as he’s from Edmonton

Guy makes

[fickle juniper]

This means u can make the same in the US getting 200k as u would in Canada for 300k

[cursive blaze]

750k USD remote as a team lead

Absolute insane

[fickle juniper]

Well that’s not completely true

But decent way to think about it

[cursive blaze]

Yeah honestly financially US is probably the best

We’ll not probably , it is

But then u gotta deal with US stuff xD

[left plover]

^^ 😦

[gloomy nymph]

Yeah heaven for getting paid peanuts 🥜

[fickle juniper]

Honestly all about perspective

Canada relative to a lot of the world is heaven lawl

[worldly ridge]

solve the housing crisis, make wages affordable for everyone and i would love to stay here forever

[vivid fiber]

Tbf, doesn't the US have these same problems?

Like I constantly see ppl complain abt US wages and stuff

[fickle juniper]

Honestly grass is always greener

I’ve never seen a place where ppl don’t complain

[hasty field]

Yea ppl always talk about Canada as being a model for social services and things
If you are not making boatloads of money Canada is way better
But of course CS is not like that

[vivid fiber]

Tax

Not as much, cause the tax is less afaik

[vivid fiber]

I agree with this 100%. My mom came to Canada a poor refugee, and now she is a middle class home owner.

I know that if ur making 200k, you'll only take home abt 125k

[cursive blaze]

Just defer and toss it all in RRSP

There’s definitely ways around the tax imo, it’s still higher than the US for sure tho

[fickle juniper]

I shit you not income tax is 50% as much in WA than in BC

[worldly ridge]

Yeah they do i meant for us cs kids theres more financialy icnentive to move

[hasty field]

The point is you can’t make boatloads of money in Canada

[hasty field]

WA doesn’t have an income tax
0% for both individuals and companies 😁
Gates and Bezos set up there for a reason

[fickle juniper]

Yeah exactly 🤑

[hasty field]

Yea the US opinion of refugees is basically hostile now lol
I’ve lived in both places and whereas Canadian cities have those immigrant welcome centers I never saw that stateside

[left plover]

Honestly I've always wondered, how does Washington make up for it then?

[hasty field]

They have quite high sales and property tax
It also results in WA having the most regressive tax system in the US
Since poor people still have to buy food at the same rate as rich people
https://washingtonstatewire.com/am-i-taxed-too-much-a-comparative-look-at-washington-state/

[tight gale]

Yea I had to make make this decision Vancouver vs seattle, but its ymmv I have really good relationship with parents etc

[worldly ridge]

Yea I remember you sharing! thanks 🙂

[tight gale]

Yea taxes here are brutal though we could use some regressing ourselves

[stray kernel]

How do you start asking the right questions in this server? Don't see any pinned stuff to get caught up so thought I'd just ask

Graduating in a year with 3 mediocre internships so kinda worried abt finding a good job after graduation 😬

[fickle juniper]

U should try to help as many ppl as u can so that when u need to ask ppl are willing to help

[cursive blaze]

bruh i graduated with 1 internship lol

[fickle juniper]

Or just ask haha

[cursive blaze]

wouldn't worry about it

lots of jobs 🙂

[craggy moth]

people find jobs with 0 internships, you'll be fine

[tight gale]

Had 2 internships and 1 was QA and still got interviews to big companies except MS and fb

[fickle juniper]

Ppl with one internship or less even get really good new grad, just make sure to start early and be ready for interviews

[cursive blaze]

And also, it’s not the end of the world if you don’t land an insanely good company first

Much easier to take a decent job and switch in a year to a better org

[stray kernel]

Hmm that's prob what I needed to hear xd

Thanks for all the suggestions!

[tight gale]

Just be good at DSA questions

The worst feeling in the world is getting an interview and bombing

[cursive blaze]

Also some companies simply don’t ask lc either

I much prefer those ones

[stray kernel]

Lmao I'd rather do lc cuz kind of an average student with generic personality. Much rather take my chances with a skill based assessment lol

[cursive blaze]

We’ll fair I mean to that extent some companies it’s will ask a more practical pair programming

Is more so what I meant

The company I’m at rn asked me to basically query and api, and do something with the data etc

Way more practical

[stray kernel]

Oh I see what you mean

Makes sense

[cursive blaze]

Yeah that or like, a decent take home that doesn’t take an insane amount of time

[worn moss]

can any1 show me a resume they used for security engineering intern roles/how do you write CTF's on ur resume and how do u mention the ones ur a problem writer for

[steel escarp]

Im broke! Help ...

[thick sinew]

what would look better on a resume

c++ or rust

[fickle juniper]

If u give me ur credit card number I can direct transfer

[steel escarp]

I dont have one @timid tartan pay me cash to do his dirty work

[fickle juniper]

Ill pay you if u tell me all about the dirty work

[timid tartan]

Wdym

I'm literally about to lose my job

No cash

I'm broke

🙂

[steel escarp]

So now its unpaid dirty work

Thats my life

[timid tartan]

Says someone working at a F500 company

[steel escarp]

U can be a sale associate at walmart and claim urself working at f1

[steel escarp]

Deal im sick of unpaid workkk 😭

Bad wlb always get bullied and no food

Sadge

[fickle juniper]

Wait don’t u work for IBM currently?

[steel escarp]

Maybe

Why?

[fickle juniper]

Hmm I smell fake news

[steel escarp]

👀

[fickle juniper]

And I was about to hire u too

[steel escarp]

The whole world is fake

[fickle juniper]

500k TC

[steel escarp]

Im the only real thing

[fickle juniper]

Nope

Maybe ur thinking of @storm stream

[steel escarp]

@fickle juniper working for google

Ur underestimate him

[fickle juniper]

What is this misinformation

I work for Jane Street, dual major at Harvard MBA, don’t u get it wrong next time @steel escarp

[storm stream]

Next time you get resume screened, just assume @fickle juniper applied to the same position and got it without interviewing

[steel escarp]

Sorry daddy plz notice me

[fickle juniper]

THANK U

Finally someone who understands my level

[tight gale]

damn LOL

i wonder what people in this tc range do though to maximize their tc

[knotty nova]

Tax fraud

[storm stream]

There isnt a "trick" really to pay less taxes as a salaried employee

People who are incorporated have a lot more ~tricks/tools available to them

[hasty field]

Yea as a salaried employee only your company can commit fraud
Since your T4 is withholding your tax anyway

[frozen umbra]

@timid tartan hows your coinbase offer looking rn?

[timid tartan]

As of right now, it is safe

[frozen umbra]

[oblique crater]

not sure if LinkedIn is promoting more posts than others but it seems most offers rescinded are international students in the US

[frozen umbra]

Or its the ones that are desperate as fuck and need to find a sponsor

[oblique crater]

yeah that’s a fair assumption but i’d post on LinkedIn either way tbh, it’s the trendy topic rn with the recession talks and recruiters are interacting with the posts

[pine monolith]

Anyone have experience with RBC capital markets qts swe intern?

sure. ty

[vivid fiber]

I've seen like 10 posts so far

I'd say 3 were international

The rest didn't mention it

[oblique crater]

damn I guess LinkedIn is just curating the feed to appease to my international ass

[topaz saddle]

ya

you be a consultant

and be incorporated

way easier to commit tax fraud and make 500k TC and 100k taxes

[shut hill]

Not sure if someone posted but there’s a Toronto tech discord

https://discord.gg/8HSgxJTmJX

[late lichen]

Rn I'm an incorporated contractor, since my company wanted to hire people on a contract basis then later offer fulltime positions. I might not even go fulltime based on the salary I negotiated (yes I have less benefits but they r paid out, the company my company contracted thru has ways of buying insurance thru them, and have some basic coverages and honestly the tax incentives add literally a 20% boost to the salary)

They offer a lot more to "companies" than individual contractors going thru an agency

They have been doing it for years plus after 1 YOE I'm dippin

[prisma garnet]

Hi, I'm new here. Sorry for the abrupt introduction but, does anyone knows how to and how hard to find a job in Canada if I'm not a Canadian but I can get my hands on an open work permit?

[tawny zephyr]

yes I believe you can

[prisma garnet]

I'm not graduated yet (currently studying Master in Asia), but I'm having a panic attach

[tawny zephyr]

you have to go through an application process and I believe there's a criteria just check on google

but from what I've heard it's not that hard to get canadian visa / work permit compared to the US

[prisma garnet]

I'm quite sure I can get a permit. But how hard to land a job though? As I've been told it's quite competitive compared to where I live right now

[tawny zephyr]

yeah it is if you dont mind me asking have you had previous intern experience

and I am assuming you are going in some cs related field well because u are here

[prisma garnet]

I have one but sadly it wasn't very technical. It's more on hardware side.

[tawny zephyr]

try for the US as well US has more job listings and more opps if you are interested in that

[tawny zephyr]

no worries intern is intern

you just have to make it sound good

u are most likely going to be looking for new grad positions

if I am not wrong

[prisma garnet]

actually I'm considering Canada cause I can get PR there easily but not in US

[prisma garnet]

I think so as well.

[tawny zephyr]

facts my parents worked in the US for 6+ years and no greencard

some instances of people working on H1-B for 10-15 years and no greencard / permanent residency

it's a lengthy process but imo it's worth it but canada is not so bad

[prisma garnet]

Yeah, that's what I've heard too.

[tawny zephyr]

when do you graduate?

[prisma garnet]

2023 Sep. I think. If I pass my thesis defence

Big if. 🤣

[tawny zephyr]

okay so this is what I would do

apply for positions in your country in Asia and in the US & Canada

keep your options open

[prisma garnet]

that's true...

But one thing I'm so rushed because there's a time limit to the application to owp and it's ending soon. But oh well, I think I'll try. Thx dude 🙈

[tawny zephyr]

imma be real with you

I dunno how owp works

I am guessing you can stay in canada and you can be employed by any employer with no restrictions

oh yeah I came here for something else

if anyone knows any co-ops for fall 2022 or spring 2023 please DM me!

in GTA preferrably

[prisma garnet]

yes that's basically it

[late lichen]

I know many international companies can sponsor you but you need to be with them for a long time ish

SAP sponsored one of my friends uncles from South Asia and he moved here

[tawny zephyr]

yeah I was gonna suggest find a company thats intl work with them for a bit and transfer within

newgrad in canada is very comp as well

[late lichen]

very

[tawny zephyr]

lmao

[prisma garnet]

🥲 .

you reckon grinding leetcode helps?

[tawny zephyr]

no point in grinding lc if ur resume wont pass screen

[prisma garnet]

oof

[tawny zephyr]

not tryna discourage btw I havent seen ur resume

[late lichen]

I'm sorry my g I just don't want to Sugarcoat stuff since your commitment to coming to Canada is a huge deal and expensive to deal with

[prisma garnet]

what people looks for a resume?

[tawny zephyr]

just saying make sure u have good stuff on your resume

[tawny zephyr]

projects work experience education

[late lichen]

There's something called Jake's Resume in CS that most people use

As a template

[tawny zephyr]

yea

you can also ask people to review in #resume chat

[late lichen]

https://www.overleaf.com/latex/templates/jakes-resume/syzfjbzwjncs

[prisma garnet]

ahhh lmao I did use that template when I was copying my friends CV 😂

[tawny zephyr]

it's basically what most CS kids use lol

[late lichen]

Yeah it's relatively popular but that's because it's easy to read and parse

[tawny zephyr]

yep

[late lichen]

General tips is using # and % to quantify your experience

[tawny zephyr]

x y z format

[late lichen]

Did X using Y to reach Z

Improving something by x%

Decreasing testing overhead by y days

As you can see some numbers in the resume

And maybe u can make specific resumes tailored for specific jobs (no, don't change the entire thing). You can add/remove relevant skills or experiences

Like if it's a more web focused job, add more web technologies. If it's more of an infrastructure role, focus on Linux related stuff

[prisma garnet]

ic 🤔

but if I have basically none web technologies experiences, what should I do? or should I just find infrastructure role lmao

tbh I do find linux more interesting anyway 😂

[late lichen]

Nahhhhhh that just an example

You can do anything

[prisma garnet]

ah ok

[late lichen]

Like maybe you have some personal projects that use a specific technology, you'd highlight that more in some roles, less in others. Ofc if you have not much experience then you can expand on everything

Again #resume section helps a lot

[prisma garnet]

yes, ic

thanks a lot loll

I reckon this is much more useful than the CV writing class I had in my school 🥲

[tawny zephyr]

I learned a lot being here and people are pretty nice

[prisma garnet]

I can tell 🤣

hi nice people

[spring wren]

has anyone gotten google OA from canada

[frozen umbra]

yes

people have

[vivid fiber]

Google Canada is a myth

No one works there

It doesn't exist

[spring wren]

🥲

[storm stream]

Is there Google Vancouver?

Not that I'd even pass resume screen

[lucid berry]

https://careers.google.com/locations/vancouver/

[fickle juniper]

There’s no Google Vancouver office

[storm stream]

Gcp sales nice

[storm stream]

[frozen umbra]

Just come to Google waterloo

Work with all my friends

[spring wren]

looks like fall season is dead

another year of google ghost 👻

can we apply to google us or is that auto rejection

[frozen umbra]

you can

some people in my school went to google US instead of the loo office

[topaz saddle]

i had google recruiter reach out

on linkedIn

he asked me to choose location from New York, Waterloo, Mountain View

I skipped OA and Phone straight to Onsites

still waiting for feedback from final onsites

[frozen umbra]

GL

[spring wren]

damn glgl

🙏

i can't get past resume screen still 🥲

[untold nebula]

fall season is pretty dead ngl

at least for me

[spring wren]

yeah it is

hope my time for faang comes next year but not looking good from the recession

[frozen umbra]

dw, if you dont get it during your internships, youll get it for FT

[spring wren]

isn't it harder?

[frozen umbra]

you just go through more rounds

For NG, questions are basically the same as an intern.

if your hopping from an existing job, theres more theyll expect

But even if its harder, you still can do it, if thats your goal

[spring wren]

🙏

[frozen umbra]

[spring wren]

do u think itll be better to rush and graduate summer 2023 or try to find a last internship for summer 2023, hopefully faang, then grad 2024?

[frozen umbra]

How many internships have you done?

[spring wren]

1x8 month and 2x4month

[frozen umbra]

are you a loo student?

[spring wren]

nope

utsc

[frozen umbra]

UofT?

Ah

[spring wren]

yeah

[frozen umbra]

I would probably go for one more imo

since your an upper year

[spring wren]

alr

[frozen umbra]

youll see more call backs for the bigger jobs

[spring wren]

should i try to go for only the big ones?

[frozen umbra]

And you can try to find a job that you would like to return to for FT

Uhhh, with the current tech stock dropping, I would say going to a big name company is safer, as long as its a company that doesnt deal crypto.

But just take what you can get

NG interviews feel better and easier when you dont have that much stress behind you

[spring wren]

yeah i did phone for coinbase then they froze :|

crypto too volatile

would banks still be good? or should I be aiming higher

[frozen umbra]

Banks are fine

Up to you how high you want to go

[spring wren]

do u usually apply to everything for internships / NG or only the companies u want to work for?

[tight gale]

I applied to eveything then joined this server

Then I only applied to faang

[spring wren]

but it worked out right lol

[tight gale]

Yes 🍌

[spring wren]

for internship or ng?

[tight gale]

Ft went through industry loop

But yea I applied to local vancouver companies that were offering like ~60k before that

[spring wren]

I see I see

havent had any luck with faang so far unfortunately

i was hoping amazon canada would open for fall

[tight gale]

GL and just apply but yea theres alot of luck involved

[spring wren]

yeah i feel like i should also apply to local companies as well but not sure if id even take them

cause ill delay grad

[worldly ridge]

i just realized vancouucers housing price, is it as bad as tor or worse

[craggy moth]

Vancouver is the world's second most expensive city to live in based on average salary

[novel dome]

Bit random question

how do get like a PM internship while all ur experience is SWE

[novel dome]

5.4M for 2k sqft

jesus fck

[storm stream]

Banks are hella decent + you can aim higher... you already aiming at Coinbase which is kinda faang level difficulty

[lucid berry]

Holy shit

[worldly ridge]

[worldly ridge]

Wait..

New york is mroe affordable?

than Toronto?

[craggy moth]

yea cause new yorkers make more money

[worldly ridge]

well time to retire in new york

[novel dome]

Are salaries hihger in toronto or vancover?

[worldly ridge]

i think theyre the same?

a lot of tech companeis have office in vanc and toronto

[novel dome]

ah kk

whats like the avg salary for these cities

anything below 200k is unliveable

[worldly ridge]

for new grad?

[tight gale]

Lol

[worldly ridge]

or the average people?

[novel dome]

avg ppl

[tight gale]

200k is not common

[worldly ridge]

bruh its like 50k iirc

[novel dome]

how ppl livin with 50k

[worldly ridge]

i dont remmber the exact nubmer

it was low

[craggy moth]

you live in a basement

[worldly ridge]

I have no clue, probably paycheuqe to payqycheque :l

[tight gale]

My friend starting as a teacher is like 50k or something

[novel dome]

where r the basement when everythin is highrise

[craggy moth]

you go to cities nearby

[worldly ridge]

in the homelesss shelter

[novel dome]

da way

[tight gale]

Yea we live in a bubble

[novel dome]

just need this shit to crash in next 2 yers

[worldly ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-overdose-gif-22522298

[craggy moth]

they gonna go up more

[worldly ridge]

I dont see it crashing anytime soon tbh

:c

[novel dome]

nah nah

its buy high sell low

and based on current prices, they can only go down

so ppl can sell

[topaz saddle]

Nothing impressive I failed all fang onsites in a row

Had recruiters reach out

[novel dome]

that is law of investing