canada

[steel escarp]

Theyre building new teams in markham

[dark portal]

ty sir.... i knew that if i took that internship, it would've actually been over, because i would've learned shit all

[steel escarp]

My friend's team is new and they use graphql and stuff

Kinda cool

[dark portal]

yeah and apparently they have free snacks and drinks, but you actually have to pay for proper food lmao

[fickle juniper]

I really want to learn GraphQL

[steel escarp]

Eat snack for lunch and drink coke for dinner

Thats my plan

:)

[dark portal]

yooo same! actually, i dont think our term is new.... we just keep up with the times.... and yo my manager said that the product i'll specifically be working on will scale to governments and large financial institutions, so i could be working on shit that will directly affect millions of dollars worth of capital

imagine the resume value of that lol

[dark portal]

i'm learning it right now... seems pretty cool

[steel escarp]

U cant mention the specific product on ur resume i think

[dark portal]

loool.... i'm just gonna be pumped up on caffeine

[dark portal]

i think you can... you just cant give away any important details

[steel escarp]

Well its relative so idk

[dark portal]

yeaaah

[steel escarp]

Id just mention the high level stuff for sure

[dark portal]

yeah, i'll do something like that ^

[austere nebula]

sql was released in the early 70's

go is almost as old as elasticsearch

released in 08 or 09 iirc

[dark portal]

lmfao

only problem is, go is going to get more resume attention than fucking elastic search

same with sql

[boreal sentinel]

O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all of us command.

With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!

From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

I love Canada btw

[dark portal]

i've got a question for you: would you rather work at a startup using python, flask, tensorflow, and some other tech or elastic search lmao

[fickle juniper]

LOL why the drive-by

[dark portal]

okay, i don't understand why people have to shit on canada like that... we're number 1 in alot of things (although tech salaries, afforadbility, and housing costs aren't some of them)

[boreal sentinel]

i was just reading this https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/8j4v1z/canada_facing_brain_drain_as_young_tech_talent/

[boreal sentinel]

please dont say healthcare

but i agree no doubt

we do have things going good for us

[dark portal]

i remember reading that when it first came out... shit's only gotten worse

[boreal sentinel]

definitely bro

[dark portal]

it's only gonna get worse

and fuck some of what that guy said was actually true

which pisses me off lmao

[boreal sentinel]

yup i remember someone saying in canada personal finance subreddit

[fickle juniper]

But we have free health care

[dark portal]

feelings > facts

[boreal sentinel]

we get worst of america and europe, shitty american work culture + shitty european pay

[dark portal]

• shitty american benefits + insane european col + dumb american politics

Canada was supposed to have: British government, French culture, and American know-how. Instead, it ended up with: British know-how, French government, and American culture

[fickle juniper]

LOOL that’s really good haha

[storm stream]

How many of yall are immigrants or from immigrant families... Canada OP for immigrants and I'm thankful

[untold nebula]

that's facts

[flint willow]

Ya you gotta give it to Canada for that

[dark portal]

I'm an immigrant. I was born in the UK

[storm stream]

USA has higher highs and lower lows... can't look at one and ignore the other

[dark portal]

Yessir

If anything I'd say that In the US, the higher you're up on the socio-economic ladder, the better life you'll have

[storm stream]

Of course, here too tho

...and like anywhere

[storm stream]

Where in the UK you from?

[dark portal]

London

[storm stream]

Chelsea?

Or Arsenal?

Or god forbid............... Spurs

[dark portal]

Oh lol I don't watch soccer

But I'd say the raptors

[storm stream]

[steel escarp]

Chelsea duh

[terse tartan]

if u guys got paid 200kCAD would you stay in canada

[steel escarp]

Depends on how bad the econ is lol

If it inflates and make 200k looks like 60k rn

Nah

But 200k with the situation rn then why not

[fickle juniper]

I mean assuming you don't do anything about your taxes for 200k CAD you take home like 130k

in Washing State that's probably like 150k usd

150k usd ~ 190k cad

If you live in Van, you're getting 1.5x just by being 2 hours away in Seattle

[storm stream]

LOL for reference... Make 250K and you're in the top 5% of earners in this country

100k+ out of school is more than good enough

[storm stream]

Yeah that's facts

Do companies provide full health insurance in US... or do you have to pay premiums and all that BS

[fickle juniper]

so to answer your question @terse tartan, if I stayed it wouldn't be because of the money haha

[fickle juniper]

that's a good question, not sure

[dark portal]

200k in salary is different than 200k with base + bonus + stock... it all depends... and location is a big factor, too

[terse tartan]

Yeah that was poorly phrased

All cash ig

[terse tartan]

😩 same

Guess I'm ditching

[dark portal]

tbh man... i just dont see it happening

if i can make 200k in canada... chances are i can make 400k+ in the us

[storm stream]

What about 200K after 2 years of exp?

[dark portal]

still no

[storm stream]

Damn

[dark portal]

my long term plan is to move permanently out of canada

[terse tartan]

After 2 years u could be making 300k...

[storm stream]

Nice

In Canada?

[terse tartan]

😂 😂 😂

[storm stream]

[terse tartan]

[dark portal]

i'll still have my canadian citizenship, and pass it onto my kids, but i dont see myself living here long term, personally

now that i said it... watch how i never have the opportunity of leaving this place ^^

[plush rune]

incorrect. companies like snap, cb, doordash, (also bolt I think) all pay 200k cad or close to 200 for new grad from what I hear. but their US counterparts pay 200-210k USD

[storm stream]

I'm down for Seattle, so close to Van... But I'm gonna be around fam for the long term

[storm stream]

cb new grad is goals af

[dark portal]

i see... so i stand corrected

should've been more specific

meant mostly faang

[plush rune]

well, heard google can nego upto 180-190k cad in Canada but it's US counterpart pays 200-220k usd too lol

the other faangs from what I hear don't go that high in Canada for ng (no clue about Netflix lol)

[fickle juniper]

Woah how do u nego Google to this in Canada??

[plush rune]

idk

[fickle juniper]

I guess if u have other offers

[storm stream]

Stripe ng is 200+ too

Zon 170k

[plush rune]

ya

[dark portal]

you've gotta have decent competing offers at google's level (in terms of tc)

[fickle juniper]

Apple is 200-220k if u land on ict3

[storm stream]

Wish is 200+ too

[dark portal]

yeah, but i'm a windsor pleb... i aint getting no stripe lol

[plush rune]

lol

[terse tartan]

Ok isn't wish meme stocj

[storm stream]

You will just watch

[dark portal]

i refuse

[plush rune]

school doesn't mattet

matter

ppl who say school matters is just coping

[dark portal]

now i'm just straight up gonna do everything possible to get blacklisted from stripe

[dark portal]

nah i'm just playing... thanks though bro... i'm grinding

[storm stream]

Small steps... zon first 😂

[dark portal]

depends

[plush rune]

"yeah i go to X company, i couldnt make it to Y because i dont go to waterloo. if i went to waterloo tho yeah i would have gotten in easily"

[dark portal]

if you're trynna get into jane street... i mean... come on

[plush rune]

ok ofc lol

[dark portal]

lol so there we go

[plush rune]

but I'm talking about the average big tech

not fuckin rentech or jane

[storm stream]

matters for first internship or for getting targeted... long term it doesn't matter

[dark portal]

okay, then yeah, you're right

anyone here interview with databricks?

[fickle juniper]

Do u have interview?

[dark portal]

no, but i have referal

[plush rune]

not rlly for first internship. I think for ur first internship ur better off playing it smart and emailing startups or something + ofc spamming and praying

[dark portal]

this right here ^

[plush rune]

heard they take like 825-840 codesignal

[dark portal]

especially, if you're in your 2nd year

[storm stream]

yeah yeah for sure, but a school with a nice coop program makes it so much easier

[dark portal]

that's just fucked

[fickle juniper]

Idt I know anyone personally who’s interviewed at databricks but the ppl from my school who are interning there are like absolute goats of goats

[dark portal]

before i leetcoded and shit... the highest i got was 430 or smthng

[dark portal]

jeez

[plush rune]

bruh

430?

how many questions did u solve

[dark portal]

bro this was back in 2nd year

[plush rune]

ah

[dark portal]

like... 1

[plush rune]

ah

[dark portal]

barely lol

[fickle juniper]

430? Were u also learning how to type?

[dark portal]

yeah

[storm stream]

is databricks like snowflake?

[dark portal]

it was a brand new keyboard

lol

[fickle juniper]

Yeah I think so

[storm stream]

Damn...... why they so selective...

[dark portal]

anyone here use java for codesignal?

[plush rune]

ya

I do

well when I leetcosed last year I did

haven't leetcosed in months

leetcoded

[fickle juniper]

Which is why so many ppl want to work there because if it has a similar ipo as snowflake, you’ll make way more money than at FAANG

[fickle juniper]

The upside is crazy

[dark portal]

wait frosty, you used java for actual interviews too, right?

[plush rune]

ya

[dark portal]

i see.... i can understand having a slightly harder time on codesignal because of the verbosity

[plush rune]

just leetcode in whatever language ur extremely comfortable with

leetcode plus codesignal *

[dark portal]

ye

for sure

learning graphs rn from leetcode learn lmao

[vivid fiber]

I got an 810 on codesignal with Java

I also interview in Java

It's all about what you're comfortable with tbh

[dark portal]

what company was it for?

[placid dawn]

3 yrs of experience

[vivid fiber]

I don't remember, I think it could've been Robinhood or Databricks

Either way it doesn't matter, as it was gca

[plush rune]

yessir 819 with Java for me

[sudden plaza]

Databricks ng pay is insane

[cursive blaze]

100%. some might have better co-op programs and that sort of thing but it really doesn't matter in the long run. I come from a school in AB where most people barely know it, and tons of alumni are getting into fantastic companies

[terse tartan]

I have a 847 Java codesig

I also type at 130wpm

🤣

Not a coincidence

[plush rune]

ahhh I'm at 120 myself

[vivid fiber]

I'm at 50 😔

[dark portal]

How?

[dark portal]

It is... I think they might be fully remote, too

[dark portal]

Has anyone here interviewed with A Thinking Ape?

[vivid fiber]

An alumni from my school makes 60k from 8yrs of exp

Some jobs are just underpaid

[lucid berry]

cuz it's in the middle of nowhere lmfao

[austere nebula]

quebec

tbh qol in quebec >>> than roc

[lucid berry]

Not a cool part of Quebec tho

I mean most of Quebec ain't cool except Montreal lol

[austere nebula]

😟

i mean none of ontario is cool

[lucid berry]

Canada lame af?

[austere nebula]

yurr

[gloomy nymph]

yup

[old ferry]

Lol it's better than California

[sudden spruce]

false

[gloomy nymph]

true

Ottawa sucls

[austere nebula]

true

[gloomy nymph]

toronto sucks

[dark portal]

true

Ottawa is fine

It's just the Hamilton to Pickering corridor that needs to be nuked

[fast warren]

Did u get an interview?

[placid dawn]

bru where tf are the jobs

[fickle juniper]

O crap are they sending out interviews? I should apply ASAP

[cursive blaze]

Calgary is where it's at 🙂

mountains so close it's great

[fickle juniper]

Honestly cgy in the summer is sick

[cursive blaze]

The Winters are fairly fun too if you ski/snowboard. Only usually get 1 or 2 weeks where it's super cold

[untold nebula]

Apply to local startups/companies. It'll be hard to find a summer coop at a big company at this point

Email them if they don't have a job opening to express your interest

[fickle juniper]

“Super cold” probably relative haha

[cursive blaze]

eh this winter we had like 2 weeks where it was -30 or -40. But other than that I think we averaged like -10 to -15

[dark portal]

No sir... lol... I just wanted to ask how hard there interviews are

[fickle juniper]

Pretty sure hard, I’ve heard their bar is really high

[dark portal]

God damn

[fickle juniper]

They have a posting for fall up rn

[fast warren]

Wait why is their bar so high do they pay well?

[fickle juniper]

relative to other companies in Van I think so. Also they're a feeder to faang

[dark portal]

Like... internship -> new grad?

Or new grad at A Thinking Ape and then second job at FAANG?

I'd consider ibm and hubspot to be feeders to faang / unicorn / higher tier big ns as well

[fickle juniper]

like i see a lot of ppl with a thinking ape internships their next one is faang

[dark portal]

Ahhh I see

I'm gonna try to go for them in the winter semester

I doubt I'll get anything for the fall loool

[fickle juniper]

why not fall?

[dark portal]

My LC abilities aren't up to par yet

[fickle juniper]

theyre open right now i think

ah yeah honestly same, am so rusty

ill still apply we'll see haha

[dark portal]

Yo, you know what... I'll apply and use it as practice haha

[fickle juniper]

yeah that's smart

[tawny zephyr]

doesnt google track tho

how many times u applied

[plush rune]

dont think "faang feeders" exist lol

ik ppl who literally got amazon as their first internship

[fickle juniper]

yeah i think you're right, i'm just basing on ppl's internships before and after

[placid dawn]

there are no startups in my province

[untold nebula]

wat

you have no local companies in your province?

do you live in nunavut?

[placid dawn]

sk ser

[dark portal]

bro

literally

[placid dawn]

its snowing this week

[dark portal]

just apply everywhere

[placid dawn]

jesus lol

[dark portal]

it's not that hard tbh

[placid dawn]

i already did

[dark portal]

outside of sask, too?

[placid dawn]

its not hard for u cuz u got 2 or 3 coops

[dark portal]

even in the us?

[dark portal]

actually 4 -5

[placid dawn]

even in asia i applied

[dark portal]

but still bro

[dark portal]

with the exact resume you uploaded the other day?

[placid dawn]

yes

[dark portal]

then it's over

lol

[placid dawn]

thats what im saying

[dark portal]

fuck i actually feel for you

ngl

not being in a coop program, being in a shit province, and being in a shit university is a nightmare scenario

[placid dawn]

anyone study abroad here

[cursive blaze]

Some companies don’t care. My school didn’t have coop but I managed to get one and take a year off

[placid dawn]

im going spain next winter

[dark portal]

damn, i see

my school had a garbage coop program, but i got kinda like for my first 2 internships, i aint even gonna lie

[placid dawn]

there are 2 coop companies in my univ

blackberry and nokia

[cursive blaze]

Yep still possible. My piece of advice for more local companies is to actually write cover letters and tailor your resume for them.

They usually care a lot more about that.

[placid dawn]

and sasktel. which gets filled in 1 day. by a returning intern

[plush rune]

doesn't rlly play a role

I go a shitty school, I don't have an official co op program, and I got my internship externally

just takes persistence and a bit of luck

[untold nebula]

what?

You're telling there's no companies that make software in your province

[cursive blaze]

There’s a couple tech companies in Sask. I’d look to emailing them and expressing interest

Or even smaller shops

7shifts is one that comes to mind

[untold nebula]

i dont live in sask but there's gotta be web dev shops

[cursive blaze]

They are based in sask

[oblique crater]

sask barely exists just email around alberta and i think someone will give you a shot

[untold nebula]

yeah that could work too

could also get in touch with profs, see if they're looking for someone

or know someone who is

[cursive blaze]

I’d say honestly personality, and other qualities smaller shops tend to value more over pure dev skills.

If you can make those shine you’ll have a great shot

[untold nebula]

you can use linkedin to find local companies
you won't find all of them using this but its a start

[placid dawn]

normally local companies hire thru coop to get free money

[untold nebula]

yes but you can still get into a local company without coop

i got a job at a local startup wihout coop

[placid dawn]

what province are u

[untold nebula]

they got a government grant to fund my position

https://www.wil-ait.digital/en/ you just need to be a student

[untold nebula]

ontario

[placid dawn]

[untold nebula]

bro i don't know what to tell you if you're not gonna try

[placid dawn]

fuk off bro

ive applied to over 300 jobs

[plush rune]

keep going

[frozen umbra]

Then maybe it’s your resume?

[untold nebula]

I applied to over 200 jobs in my first year. Didn't get anything

i changed my approach tried cold emailing

got a job

[placid dawn]

come to a shit province try here

[untold nebula]

[placid dawn]

i went to like 10 career fairs during a year

spoke to everyone. 90% are farmer startups

can u look at my resume.
"yes bro just apply thru our website"

[untold nebula]

have you tried doing research stuff at your school. That's a good way to get dev experience. Contacting profs is a good way to find out if they're looking for devs for their research projects

[placid dawn]

there was a ruby startup in my univ lol

i said yo im good at python and all that

they wanted 2 yrs of ruby exp

[placid dawn]

thats one regret i wish i done that sooner

im seeing quite a few postings today

State Street

[untold nebula]

yeah keep applying and try emailing local companies if you find any.
Also like someone else said, it might be your resume so get it reviewed

i can take a look if you want

[placid dawn]

do u advise adding my location in the resume?

[untold nebula]

like your address?

[placid dawn]

yep city, state

[frozen umbra]

I don’t think it matters

[untold nebula]

^

I just put school

[frozen umbra]

Just school is enough

[placid dawn]

ill post it in #resume sry if i came mean earlier, just drank coffee lol

#resume message

so blurry

[untold nebula]

its okay man, getting your first job is tough so i understand why you're frustrated

[placid dawn]

my goal is to get amazon when my cooldown expires. but u know I cant rely just on that

anything could happen

so im grinding LC to get a chance in meta and others

[untold nebula]

for your experience, swap the company name and title. You want your title to pop when you're if you're not at a big company

[placid dawn]

i got quite many OAs from the levels.fyi companies. But i bombed all since I didnt know any LC

[untold nebula]

maybe change founder -> founder/software engineer

[dark portal]

yo what @untold nebula is saying is 100% correct. try going for research this summer

maybe try some networking research / other shit

and honestly, just change the title to software engineer intern instead of research assistant

[untold nebula]

bold technologies and metrics mentioned in your points

it makes them stand out and easily scannable for a recruiter

[dark portal]

i applied to more than 500 positions in my second year from june - december (before i got an offer because the owner of a michigan based company said he liked my attitude)

[untold nebula]

i feel like you should be emphazing your experience more

$100 000 in sales is big, definitely put that in bold

[placid dawn]

Yes I thought about that

Ill bold and apply to a few companies

[untold nebula]

i think you could put experince above skills

[placid dawn]

I ve seen many resumes without bold but they have swe exp so I think that doesnt apply to me

[untold nebula]

cause you've made software for real clients

[frozen umbra]

I disagree. Put skills above experience so they can quickly skim through and see if you have what they need

Once they know you do, they’ll skim through your experiences

[placid dawn]

true but idk I wonder if the "founder" role scares employers away. like they think im bullsh*ting or something

[frozen umbra]

This is what I get from reading your resume

[untold nebula]

just change it to software eng/dev

[placid dawn]

ive heard mixed comments about my exp

[placid dawn]

honestly maybe Ill try lol

will they tell if I havent had real swe experience

[frozen umbra]

The $100,000 in sales is very impressive, but when you have a founder as a title, it kinda is weird

[placid dawn]

idk what are the expectations of an intern nowadays

[frozen umbra]

Might make it feel you bullshited it

[placid dawn]

i mean its true i paid taxes and everything

actual inc.

[untold nebula]

a recruiter can't tell. All they know is technologies and buzzwords.
But you actually worked as a software dev for clients so its not bs

[frozen umbra]

Yeah, makes sense, but it just feels like it’s bullshit from when I first skim through it

[untold nebula]

maybe put "Freelance software developer"

[placid dawn]

well it was rly just for myself. making my business website and thats about it

[frozen umbra]

Tbh, I would put this in projects

[untold nebula]

who are these 200 clients?

[cursive blaze]

Agreed 100%

[frozen umbra]

And use that as the first project

[placid dawn]

its a window cleaning business

[frozen umbra]

Because it’s not actual experience

[placid dawn]

like I clean windows in my city

[frozen umbra]

But it’s a very impressive project

Like VERY impressive

Especially since you have clients

[untold nebula]

so they use this software?

[placid dawn]

nono.

well

they use my website to contact me

thats about it

[untold nebula]

ah i see now

[placid dawn]

yeah so I made the site. ranked it, and got clients from it etc

[frozen umbra]

Your “experiences” are all projects

Put them all into projects

They’re very impressive projects

[untold nebula]

ye

[frozen umbra]

And you can talk about it well

[placid dawn]

yea i could try that

[frozen umbra]

But by putting it into experiences, it feels kinda fake + weak

[untold nebula]

you could maybe link your website

[placid dawn]

im scared most companies would just insta reject me for not having the word "experience" 😦

[frozen umbra]

They won’t…

Or else how else would others get their first internship

Everyone starts somewhere

[placid dawn]

i mean thats the struggle

[frozen umbra]

I got multiple interviews for one of my projects

They solely wanted to know about it

Your resume should look like:

Education
Skills
Projects

And your most relevant projects at the beginning

Make sure every skill you put in has a point somewhere in your resume

Since anyone can just say you have this “skill”

[dark portal]

bro, if you actually made 100k, then fuck an internship, just keep doing what you're doing

[dark portal]

Shouldn't it be:

• Education
• Experience
• Projects
• Technical Skills

[frozen umbra]

No

You want your skills above, so they can scan through it quickly

[dark portal]

i took out projects

[frozen umbra]

Else what’s the point of skills if they still have to go through your experiences before it

[dark portal]

so, mines is:

• Education
• Experience
• Technical Skills

[dark portal]

ahh i see

[frozen umbra]

It’s literally counter productive

[dark portal]

so, Technical Skills, Experience, Education

[frozen umbra]

Education should be first

[dark portal]

but what if you put alot of technical skills in?

[frozen umbra]

Unless your applying through your school board

Then it goes to the bottom

[frozen umbra]

Then you tailor your resume to what they need/want

[gloomy nymph]

Lmao I put it at the bottom

Is there a particular reason why it should go at the top?

[placid dawn]

its not sustainable and thats only revenue

[frozen umbra]

For internship, it’s just easy for them to make sure your still in school

And will be going back

[placid dawn]

ill take not of all the advice thank u frens

[dark portal]

what if you're applying to faangs? they use a fuck ton of different tech, dont they?

[frozen umbra]

But it’s up to you, when I was applying outside of my school board I put my educations at the top

[dark portal]

i see.... yeah i'll do the same, then

[frozen umbra]

Eeer, well just put the stuff you want to work on, rather than everything…

Not too sure, since my skills only take up 3 bullet points, and each are one line

[dark portal]

i have 4 lines:

• Languages
• Libraries / Frameworks
• Databases
• Developer Tools

and each line is pretty stacked

[frozen umbra]

Now that I’m about to graduate, I’m putting it at the bottom.

[gloomy nymph]

Yeah I felt skills at the top draws out more interest

[frozen umbra]

Yeah, I think I did it like:

Skills,
Education,
Experience
Project

[oblique crater]

you put education at the bottom for newgrad applications?

[frozen umbra]

Now it’s like:
Skills,
Exp,
Project,
Educstion

[frozen umbra]

Let me check again.

[oblique crater]

yeah i used to put skills after education but then experimented with moving it to the bottom and my response rate got slightly better

maybe just luck or bias

[frozen umbra]

I think its luck, but everything is about luck

[oblique crater]

fr

[frozen umbra]

we can only say what we experienced

and let them use our expereinces and change their resum

[oblique crater]

i think for newgrad it might still be worth putting my education at the top but i’ll also experiment with that

[frozen umbra]

Your supposed to take every suggestion with a grain of salt, since what works for someone doesnt always work for someone else

[oblique crater]

yeah 100%, only thing that’s kind of universal is quantifying your achievements

[frozen umbra]

Yeah, my resume i sent to Meta and the other new grads had

Skills,
Experiences,
Projects,
education

[plush rune]

this is terrible advice

later on in the future when u get an offer from a company and they do a background check, ur toast

research assistant is no where remotely close to swe intern

it makes sense if ur a backend dev intern or a frontend intern or DevOps intern or whatever, to categorize it as "swe intern" imo but changing RA to swe intern is pushing it

[oblique crater]

cool i'll definitely experiment with that format

[frozen umbra]

But I have like... 6 internships? or like 4 dev internships. So it might effect what your response rate will be

[oblique crater]

I have 2 "experiences" that I don't know where to classify, one of them was kind of a mock internship by a student org working a large fullstack project with a team, and another where it was a capstone class in my degree where we made an app for a startup also with a team

they're not hobby projects but I didn't get paid for either of them, I put them in my experience section the last 2 cycles and landed 2 actual internships, wondering if I should move them to the projects section now

[frozen umbra]

I put thos under projects

[oblique crater]

yeah I mean with that amount of internships it doesn't matter the orientation of your resume lol

[frozen umbra]

I worked as a URA that made me develop a full stack project. I put that expereince under project. Since its not really professional

My student org work was under project as well... I think i even removed it

[oblique crater]

I see, yeah they're pretty nice as projects but not so official as experiences

[frozen umbra]

Yeah

Just having good projects will allow you to get interviews

Tho not sure if your applying to new grad or internships. Internships will for sure get interviews, new grad I cant comment since my new grad experience will be VERY different

[oblique crater]

yeah fair enough

[untold nebula]

I put "Research Assistant & Software Developer" on my resume cause my job was just doing cloud stuff with gcp even tho the actual title was "Undergraduate Research Assistant"

I got a request for a background check from hireright. In there I just put my real job title so that they could verify it. The info hireright verifies gets sent to the company.

It was a big company and still passed the background check so 🤷

[plush rune]

that's fine

u still put "RA" in the title lol

but changing it to "SWE intern" lol

[untold nebula]

Yeah i guess, idk i don't think its that big of a deal. If you get the offer stage i don't think they'd rescind it based off a discrepancy for a job title on your resume.

if you say you had a job when you actually didn't you might be screwed then

[fickle juniper]

background check is weird

[frozen umbra]

Might be me, but i wouldnt risk it

[fickle juniper]

ex. for hubspot i need a us ssn to complete the check but they said if i don't have it just wait until i get one. they said I don't need to complete it to be able to start the internship

[untold nebula]

lol

[fickle juniper]

I think RA -> SWE intern is definitely disingenuous though

like those are completely different things

[frozen umbra]

Meta needs my diploma... which im still waiting on from my school :>

So i gotta wait a bit before i finish my background check

[untold nebula]

if your job was to make software for a research project i don't think its that big of a stretch

[fickle juniper]

yeah I think what you did makes sense

because you mentioned that you are an RA and you actually did develop software

but SWE intern and RA have totally different meanings

[untold nebula]

ya i guess, just put both in the title then if it suites what you actually did

[fickle juniper]

like I wouldn't switch TA -> SWE Intern

or McDonald's fry cook -> SWE Intern

I mean obviously that's a bit extreme ^

[untold nebula]

looool

[cursive blaze]

personally I'd just put RA and in the description explain what you did 🙂

[boreal sentinel]

RA is sick

[plush rune]

yeah

[untold nebula]

i think the main advantage is that recruiters skimming your resume will understand "software developer" better than "RA". They only spend like 30s looking at your resume lol

[dark portal]

What about software automation development student to software Developer Intern or software engineer intern?

For some reason blackberry gives these dumbass titles that damn near no other big company uses

[plush rune]

lol ye should be ok

not like RA -> SWE intern lol

[dark portal]

Okay that was pushing it lol

But maybe ML Research Assistant

If he's doing ml

[fickle juniper]

yeah something like this is probably okay. For example I've had interviews where the role was clearly devops but they called it swe.

[tight thunder]

wot's happening here

did the budget for new grads just get cut LOL

[plush rune]

ya for sure

[dark portal]

Either the same guy posting shit over and over again

Or Amazonians decided to post their salaries all at once

[rocky pendant]

wtf

96 in vancouver

basically homeless

[dark portal]

Is it really that bad in Vancouver?

[rocky pendant]

its real bad

[dark portal]

Like... how much does a studio 20 minutes away from downtown cost? 2k / month?

Jeeez

[plush rune]

analyst job idk tbh

[dark portal]

I'll be renting out an airbnb from early May to late August for 1k/month

It's alright I guess

8 minute drive to ibm

[rocky pendant]

vancouver has the worst income/housing affordability ratio in the developed world i think

[dark portal]

That's brutal

I think Toronto might have higher salaries

And lower COL than Vancouver (but not by much)

[rocky pendant]

i think salaries are around the same

def lower cost of living

everything is way more expensive there

[plush rune]

ya idk

[rocky pendant]

rent is a bit more expensive but i think regular consumer goods are lot more expensive

[normal jetty]

Thanks

[craggy moth]

theres worse out there, similar jobs in the 50-80k range aren't uncommon

[dark portal]

Lol with inflation going to the moon, I don't wanna imagine what'll happen to the COL in Vancouver, in the next 5 years lol

[rocky pendant]

yeah and whoever we elect is gonna be too much of a bitch to raise interest rates more so inflation gonna continue to skyrocket

i hate this country

[dark portal]

I mean... the thing is, our economy is so over leveraged, that any drastic measures to curb inflation is gonna result in terrible economic fallout

[rocky pendant]

yeah our entire economy is real estate but idgaf

economy crashes -> i can afford a house

[dark portal]

Lol Canada is expected to be the poorest performing economy out of the G7 and G20 for the next 40 years. As a matter of fact, many second and third world countries are gonna overtake us

[dark portal]

I have a feeling that if real estate were to retract by 50% in value, then our economy would just fall like a house of cards lol

[craggy moth]

50% drop is like 2020 prices

[dark portal]

Lol did you guys hear about a proposal from some visa group where they'd allow tech workers to enter Canada without a job offer

[rocky pendant]

why the fuck would we let them in if they dont have a job offer

[dark portal]

Idk lol

It was a proposal sent to the liberal government, but I know they'll definitely reject itn

It's probably some Toronto companies that can't compete with all the new us offices + us remote work

[tight thunder]

ya i think it's cuz less international tech workers are inclined to move here because of that cost of living/salary ratio tony was talking about. like tech workers are paid peanuts here compared to US salaries so it doesn't really make sense for these people to go to Canada to get shit pay to only barely keep up with cost of living, especially people with families. these people prop up our economy big time so if they flop, canadian economy go bye bye so we gotta incentivize them somehow 😂

[dark portal]

Bro, people are starting to figure this shit out lmao

I think Canada looses something like 1/3 of their new citizens / permanent residents

That's fucking wild lol

[tight thunder]

yea it's devastating 😦

[dark portal]

Bro, Canada has so many natural resources

Like... I get trynna protect the environment

[rocky pendant]

we're actually so fucking dumb

we extract the oil

[dark portal]

But yo, you can balance the two... or at least try to put a greater effort towards renewables

[rocky pendant]

and then send it to america to clean it

[oblique crater]

they're milking every drop of oil out of the country as fast as they can dw about that

[rocky pendant]

and then buy it back

[rocky pendant]

like?????????

canadian govt the past 30 yrs has actually been 0 IQ

[tight thunder]

LOL does this actually happen dkm

[rocky pendant]

im deadass

[oblique crater]

there are only a few oil processing plants in Canada

[dark portal]

Man... our country has so much potential, it's just run by Quebecois latte sipping upper class idiots

[dark portal]

He's 100% right

Bro, I'm left wing, but the left wingers in Canada actually make my brain hurt

[oblique crater]

y'all are the future of this country, do sum about it

[rocky pendant]

the americans need to manifest destiny their way up here so that my children can afford to live

[dark portal]

Lol bye

[oblique crater]

im just playing 💀

[dark portal]

But fr... I feel as if moving out is the only way

[rocky pendant]

its not that bleak

yeah our pay is dogshit

[oblique crater]

nah make a bag in the US and come back and live like a king here

[rocky pendant]

and our economy is collapsing

but u gotta admit canada is way nicer than the states

like in terms of actual living

[dark portal]

Ngl, if America had universal Healthcare, and slightly better gun laws, then Canada's existence would be pointless

[oblique crater]

US inflation is gonna be worse than Canada's the next 5 years mark my words

at least Canada didn't print 60% of its money in the last 2 years

that shit is gonna catch up with America

[dark portal]

Bro, Canada calculates inflation in the weirdest way... high inflation in Canada is much worse than high inflation in the us

[dark portal]

They'll get out of it. Trust me.

We won't get out of propping our entire economy off real estate

[oblique crater]

by waging another war on a poor country probably

[dark portal]

Lmao

[dark portal]

Probably not lol

[oblique crater]

everything in america is below average except tech salaries, everything in canada is slightly above average except tech salaries

no poli sci major wishes they live in the US trust me

[dark portal]

Yo you gotta pick your poison... who would you rather have as the world's policeman: US, China, or Russia?

[oblique crater]

US no doubt but I'm saying if history is anything to go by, that's their go to

[dark portal]

Right... but bro... most poli sci majors don't work directly in their field

[dark portal]

It is... and it's awful

I agree

[oblique crater]

canada needs to bet heavy on tech startups to revive the economy

hot take

[rocky pendant]

Let's just start our own country ez

LC hard citizenship test

[oblique crater]

sys design for PR

[rocky pendant]

Not for me though for immigrants I mean

[tight thunder]

this can be the OA

[dark portal]

Most get scooped up by American firms... and Tech is only gonna make a dent

We have some good companies: Shopify, Faire, A Thinking Ape, Kinaxis, BlackBerry, OpenText, and a few others

But, not everyone can get those crazy software engineering salaries or these companies

[rocky pendant]

also our viewpoint is REALLY biased

canada for the ultra rich is the same as US cause they dont pay taxes anyways

canada for the lower class is better than the US cause they get the social safety net

and the govt needs to pay for that safety net somehow

cant take it from the ultra rich cause theyre more powerful than the govt anyways

cant take it from the less fortunate cause they have no mone

so people in our exact situation get fucked the most

[dark portal]

Yup

Then again, there are tradeoffs, in the US if you have a CS degree, and are willing to grind... you can make it really fucking far in life

If you do the same, then you can get far too, but you'll be taxed up the ass, and you won't make it as far (there are exceptions of course)

[rocky pendant]

idk about that

tech isnt as much of a meritocracy as people say

[dark portal]

Yeah but the great thing about tech is that, you can make it to the top, even if you come from a shit school. You gotta work harder, but you can still make it

In other fields such as law, IB, and finance, if you don't have connections, you're fucked

Not to say that you don't need connections as a tech dude. You do. But you can still make it to the top, if you can make up for a lack of connections

[oblique crater]

definitely not after a few years but at this level it seems to be as close to meritocracy as it gets at least

[idle cobalt]

exactly not many people are aware about this

[idle cobalt]

cancel research credits

[cursive blaze]

I think the list of solid tech companies are growing quite a bit here. Granted pay isn’t close to US for a lot of the firms

But pay still isn’t “bad” honestly.

[frozen umbra]

Yeah pays not bad, but not as good as an American company

[cursive blaze]

I’m 1 yr out of school and hopping to one of the tech unicorns for around ~120k comp. 4 weeks vacation

Not insane like US companies but still good

[frozen umbra]

It’s livable and you’ll be able to have some savings and rrsp

[cursive blaze]

I live in Calgary too. Much cheaper than Vancouver/Toronto

I was interviewing for Amazon but pulled my application because I got a terrible vibe from them

[frozen umbra]

Could have kept going and used their offer to negotiate

[cursive blaze]

It was tough, I received the offer from the tech unicorn in less than 24hrs

and they gave me by far the best interviewing experience i've had

[untold nebula]

is there a Cisco discord server?

[placid dawn]

nice

[sacred hill]

hey yall

So I was just wondering if a 3 year computing degree is legible for a TN Visa?

I still need to take a summer course to complete the 4 year version but im concered i wont get my degree on time

[left plover]

Bolt I hear? Might be wrong though

[cursive blaze]

Nah not Bolt. I’ve heard their offers are super high tho

Friends know some people who are making 250k base there

[frozen umbra]

Damn that’s pretty good

[cursive blaze]

But probably Senior or Dev 2 for that

[frozen umbra]

250k cad right

[cursive blaze]

No idea if they relocated to US or not for that

[frozen umbra]

If it’s 250k cad, it’s basically similar to my friends twitch offer base

[fickle juniper]

wait Bolt and Twitch are 250k in Canada??

[frozen umbra]

But if it’s 250k usd, that’s really high lmao

[fickle juniper]

how tf is Twitch 250k

that's actually the most goated offer i've seen for Canada I think, you'd get that sweet zon stock too

[frozen umbra]

180k is like 230k cad

[fickle juniper]

ohh

wait sorry do you mean 180k in US?

my b i thought you meant like Twitch Vancouver or something

[frozen umbra]

So like 20k off from base which is significant but at that point its pretty close

Yeah it’s in the us

[fickle juniper]

ah okay that makes sense then

[frozen umbra]

I was wondering about the bolt offer

[fickle juniper]

which unicorn 👀

[cursive blaze]

Haha it’s one of the ones on here https://www.failory.com/startups/canada-unicorns I don’t start for a few weeks tho. Wrapping stuff up at my current job

[frozen umbra]

1password is pretty good

Intern pay is like 40cad an hour

[fickle juniper]

hmm I can take out like half of those based on what I know about their ng offers I think

[cursive blaze]

I’m not a ng

[fickle juniper]

which are the best remote companies in Canada for interns??

[frozen umbra]

The only pure remote I know atm, since im not really keeping up, is shopify and 1password

[fickle juniper]

is LinkedIn remote?

[frozen umbra]

Linkedin has an office in canada, but not sure if its remote

friend didnt get H1B, so is going to linkedin canada instead.

[fickle juniper]

im too salty from getting rejected from Shop after doign their challenge, will not apply to them unless im desperate haha

[rocky pendant]

homex is pure remote

and its a nice internship

[rocky pendant]

yo fuck shopify fr

[frozen umbra]

I know some people working at shopify, so probably gonna get my brother an interview once he actually does the damn challenge

But I wouldnt want to work there, since I know they low balled everyone this year for NG

[fickle juniper]

I had a referral for shopify this summer and a recruiter reached out to me. Still got resume rejected

never again

[frozen umbra]

Did you have any internships before?

[fickle juniper]

yeah

[frozen umbra]

Might not be resume reject, but the coding challenge wasnt graded well?

[fickle juniper]

hmm maybe

idk how they grade

[honest tulip]

r companies in canada still hiring for summer

[fickle juniper]

I think so? though very few left at this point :/

[frozen umbra]

Yeah very few

[fickle juniper]

most summer starts in like 2-4 weeks

so by now if they're still hiring its because of exceptional circumstances

[frozen umbra]

someone reneging

[fickle juniper]

u should look into gsoc or mlh, though I think gsoc is really competitive

[honest tulip]

i applied for both

ghosted for both

[fickle juniper]

GSoC is not due for a few days

and the orgs wouldn't have looked at apps yet

[honest tulip]

oh

i guess mlh ghosted me

[fickle juniper]

which orgs did you apply for for gsoc?

[honest tulip]

ok maybe i didn't apply for gsoc

but i definitely applied for mlh

and they ghosted

[fickle juniper]

ohh ic

you should look into gsoc, but it's a lot of work tbh

some gsoc projects are actually really cool

[honest tulip]

ugh

i'd rather have a job

[fickle juniper]

that's fair, just another option tho

[worn vortex]

Atlassian just reopened their new grad app a couple days ago

[honest tulip]

i applied for the intern position

ghost

[worn vortex]

Coinbase is still hiring too

[honest tulip]

ghost

i didn't have referrals

i didn't use referrals

not even oa

[worn vortex]

Try reapplying, for atlassian i had to reapply twice before getting oa and coinbase i reapplied 4 times each with reject and 5th time i got oa. Sometimes it works, worth a shot

[honest tulip]

diff email?

[worn vortex]

Yeah for coinbase i used 3 different emails🤷‍♂️

Also just post your resume in #resume and blur private info and people can give tips to fix your resume, if it needs fixing at all

[honest tulip]

resume is fine

i've had it reviewed by multiple people on reddit and offline etc

i just had shit shit luck

this semester

the worst

[worn vortex]

awesome, then yeah just try reapplying, it works sometimes

Yeah i feel you, i was pretty unlucky too, you can probably tell by how many times i reapplied, it'll work out eventually

[honest tulip]

i applied 150-200. got a few oas, and interviews with sap, hp, d2l, amazon, and two small companies

just

fuck

[placid dawn]

thats more than the average

[flint willow]

Dang didn’t know applying with diff emails actually works. Noted 📝

[craggy moth]

Probably only works if you get passed the resume screen and an actual human looks

So with multiple applications, you have a chance of different humans looking and accepting your resume

[frozen umbra]

Yeah that’s probably what happened. If your resumes not up to par, it’ll still be filtered out even if you changed the email

[sacred hill]

Does anyone know if a 3 year computing degree is eligible for tn visa

[dark portal]

i dont think so

i think it has to be a 4 year degree

[sacred hill]

Rip I have states offer

But I need to take one summer course

[sacred hill]

Do you know any resources for verifying this? Cause in the website it’s says bachelors degree

[craggy moth]

It depends on the degree, some 3 year programs equate to a US bachelors and others don't

[flint willow]

It might be eligible, I’ve heard it pretty easy to get a TN with a US offer in hand

You can even try to do it at the border and get it processed in a couple hours

I’ve heard of people having done this (src: Reddit)

[fickle juniper]

The thing about TN is that it is at the discretion of the border official so there’s a chance you might get rejected (if not a CS/Compeng/other relevant degree for SWE). In which case it’ll get put on your file that you were once denied entry to the US which could complicate future entries

[flint willow]

I think technically the category that qualifies is “computer systems analyst”

Just reading on Reddit that someone at msft had their softeng job description retitled on the offer letter and got in

Lol

But ya there’s def a risk if the border officer grills you about your job

Safest bet is to just get the company to apply on your behalf

[fickle juniper]

https://www.nafsa.org/_/file/_/amresource/8cfr2146.htm

Has anyone here interviewed with Nvidia?

[sacred hill]

This is the degree at Queen’s University

[sacred hill]

That’s good cause my offer is at msft 💀

[hasty field]

If your 3 year degree was from outside CA/US/MX it definitely wouldn't be allowed
Since you are taking a 3 year degree where a 4 year degree is offered they could question why you didn't do that -- so it's a grey area
The only 3 year degrees that are unambiguously allowed are QC ones since that is the highest Bachelors they offer
https://bdzlaw.com/nafta-tn-blog/2008/5/16/qualifying-for-tn-visa-based-on-three-year-degree.html

[sacred hill]

The only reason why I would take the 3 year version is that I’ll graduate in June 2022. Since my school officially gives out their diplomas at that time even tho I finish all my course by april 2022. If I finish my 4 year degree, I’ll need to take one summer course and officially graduate by november 2022

[hasty field]

I doubt CBP would take that as an excuse
I would take the 4 year degree
Future Green Card applications also look at your education history

[sacred hill]

Is there a chance my offer would be withdrawn if I did the 4 year degrees

Degree?*

[frozen umbra]

If you can’t get the TN, they’ll withdraw your offer and place you to the Canadian office if possible

[sacred hill]

Okay hopefully this is worst case

Just don’t want to be unemployed haha

[hasty field]

Microsoft is a pretty big company so I don’t see why they couldn’t just put you in the Canada office until you graduate
If you stay in Canada for a year you can get an L visa as well

[frozen umbra]

L visa?

[dark portal]

L1 visa

[analog current]

does anyone else have an interview with hsbc?

[gloomy nymph]

Staying in Canada is def an L

[honest tulip]

People have families

Or whatever

[dark portal]

damn lol

i mean if housing prices could fall down to like... 2013 levels, i'd stay lmao

[craggy moth]

You gotta start your own family

[fickle juniper]

Im really curious

If ur a homeowner with no kids that ur worried about also buying a home

Is there any reason to want housing prices to go down?

[craggy moth]

you're saying worried your kids cant buy a home?

[fickle juniper]

Well no bcuz I’m nowhere near having kids

I mean if u don’t have kids

And u own a home

Is there any reason to want housing prices to go down

[craggy moth]

no

you would want them to go up lol

[frozen umbra]

It’s only buyers who want it to go down

A lot of people actually invest in homes. So they want it to go up

[fickle juniper]

Hmm interesting

[frozen umbra]

If the housing prices are down, many people are gonna hold off on selling, unless they need to

[craggy moth]

My neighbours house sold for 800k 3 years ago. And it just sold for 1.7 mill in 2 days

They had an open house and atleast 40 people showed up

filled our whole street

[frozen umbra]

Damn.

[fickle juniper]

Yeah something similar happened to my friend

He made like 400k off a house he bought 2 yrs ago

[craggy moth]

There's so many buyers right now, and they all waiting for some kind of drop in prices

The ones that dont want to wait just buy it

[placid dawn]

lol unpaid and they want 30 hrs a week

[gloomy nymph]

Kanada

[fickle juniper]

Worst part is ppl will still apply

[eternal fossil]

i mean, i would apply

just to troll

[placid dawn]

30 in 1 hr

[sacred hill]

Can’t I just do TN visa once I graduate? What is a L visa?

[frozen umbra]

You can when you graduate. Assuming you graduated in something that TN accepts

[inland void]

anyone here worked at TD Bank as a SWE Intern?

[sacred hill]

yee, it would an honours bachelor of computing

[dreamy holly]

Still another month till Fall 2022 applications start right?

Looks like that's when Waterloo co-op starts

[plush rune]

havent been on linkedin jobs in a while. saw this tripadvisor post. for those who are still looking for summer co ops, apply: https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/3030866951

[frozen umbra]

For Waterloo yeah. Shopify applications are already out

[novel dome]

mfs got the audacity to reject n still hire

giv me a chance uk -__-

[dreamy holly]

Have you done the assignment? How long does it take?

[frozen umbra]

I’m not looking for internships

But had a look, and doesn’t look too bad. Probably something that can be done within like 3-4hours

Not including time to set up

[dreamy holly]

Aight, I'll look into doing it

as a guy with minimal web dev experience

[frozen umbra]

Web dev doesn’t matter

The only thing is the backend work lmao

[placid dawn]

oh nice we can apply to shopify again?

Oh may

[fickle juniper]

Did gitlab just open up? Or repost on linkedin

[craggy moth]

not sure, but Splunk just reposted for the 50th time

they never give me a chance

[fickle juniper]

yeah splunk's bar is so high

especially the vancouver postings

[analog current]

[novel dome]

gotta wait till ur good enough for em

then reject em

ultimate power move

[fickle juniper]

I would do this to Shopify for revenge for all the time I had to spend on their challenge only to get resume rejected despite referral

But then I'd have to do their gd challenge

[novel dome]

u will get it oneday

[boreal sentinel]

fuck shopify

[placid dawn]

did yall see that crypto intern role in linkedin

theyve reposted it every day for a month

trynna find that google phd intern that will apply for $14 hr

[dark portal]

how does one even get into splunk? lol

i swear i've applied there countless times, and each and every time i get rejected

[dark portal]

i talked to the guy who posted that job on my phone. It's an unpaid internship

[placid dawn]

🤢

[dark portal]

https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/search/?currentJobId=3030887687&geoId=101174742&keywords=intern

the role seems interesting ngl... i just wish he'd pay some

[fickle juniper]

interesting why are they doing everything on a fork of the Solana blockchain? Unless a fork means something else in blockchain

[frozen umbra]

You will need to apply for a ssn once you go

Just state you don’t have a ssn

[frozen umbra]

What is this? A background check?

[frozen umbra]

You might want to ask the company then

[dull roost]

Anyone get a tripadvisor interview?

[honest tulip]

Which one

I’ll do unpaid at this point

[dark portal]

Then just shoot him a message

And tell him you'd be down

[placid dawn]

no fuck that guy

hes just trying to do unpaid to have less legal repercussions

[south rose]

shopify isnt even worth

my new grad offer was so low

[fickle juniper]

How much is intern pay?

[frozen umbra]

Decent from what I remember

This years new grad was very low… like they were insultingly low

[plush rune]

40 an hour + stipend

[fickle juniper]

really? Was it < 100k?

[fickle juniper]

that's pretty good

[plush rune]

ya definitely

[honest tulip]

Who

[dark portal]

the guy who posted the crypto developer intern job

[dark portal]

wdym? how would he have less legal repercussions?

[dark portal]

why doesn't shopify just straight up have new grad postings?

[south rose]

They only hire interns to new grads

[dark portal]

i honestly dont understand... like... their internship program is good, and will give you a shot at landing interviews at faangs / big n's

[south rose]

I think 35 something like that

[dark portal]

that's so fucking dumb

[south rose]

I forgot what they paid me

[dark portal]

especially because their intern to new grad conversion is shit

[south rose]

How much was yours

[dark portal]

and of the new grads they do get, a fair portion leave after a bit

[south rose]

Mine was a joke fr

I didn’t even answer them

[south rose]

Only people who stay are the ones that can’t interview with Cali tbh

I would just be go for any Cali company and they will pay you more than Shopify ever will

[dark portal]

lol yeah

[south rose]

I’m pretty sure my new grad offer rn is higher than all the seniors pay

[dark portal]

maybe

[dark portal]

no fucking way lol

[south rose]

Yeah not in a flex way but they don’t pay their engineers well

[dark portal]

so... if you joined like... 6 years ago, and made it to senior, you're getting paid less than ng's rn?

[south rose]

Not my Shopify offer

My Cali offer

My Shopify offer was 115kncad total

Cad

[dark portal]

that's dumb... don't they have good finances though?

[south rose]

90k base

[south rose]

Amazing finances

They are worth 100b

Prob more

[dark portal]

so... the pay is similar to publicis sapient and ibm

[south rose]

Those are boomers which is understandable tbh

But Shopify is modern

They are such cheap

[dark portal]

exactly... and with ibm, i think you can negotiate to 100k

[south rose]

Like we have 5k employees

[fickle juniper]

shopify really missed an opportunity to hire the best swes in canada

remote + competitive pay would be insane

[dark portal]

hey, what role at shopify did you apply to for internships? and for what term?

[south rose]

They didn

Did

Their Eng culture is shit too

They operate like a cult

The people are very nice tho

[dark portal]

do they have free food though? lol

[south rose]

Yeah not anymore tho

[dark portal]

in what ways?

[south rose]

I never experienced the food

Since covid

[dark portal]

damn... lol... amazing finances, and they take that shit away too lmao

[south rose]

They think they are the best company in Canada

Cause they offer these Silicon Valley perks

[fickle juniper]

wait but they're fully remote?

[south rose]

Now they are

[fickle juniper]

ohh icic before

[dark portal]

hey @south rose what role at shopify did you apply to? frontend, backend. infrastructure, etc

[south rose]

Remotes nice but a lot of companies are remote

iOS

[dark portal]

ahh i see

[south rose]

I had an opportunity for backend too

[dark portal]

i plan on applying to frontend or backend

what previous experiences did you have?

[south rose]

Startup only

[frozen umbra]

I didn’t intern at shopify. But it was what my friends told me

[dark portal]

and do they put too much effort on side projects if you have lots of internships?

[south rose]

It’s good experience for sure

Like Shopify looks great on a resume

[south rose]

Yeah the bar is high for the challenge

[dark portal]

damn

[fickle juniper]

i honestly dont know what they look for

[south rose]

Just apply to Cali

You have better odds

[placid dawn]

is this right

as Ca citizen

[dark portal]

so you could do their coding challenge really well, but if you have shit side projects, then you're not getting in, right?

[dark portal]

no. TN

or j1

[plush rune]

any company will give u a decent chance at getting big n and faang interviews 🤣 I swear I've said this a million times

[south rose]

TN is new grad

J1 is intern

[placid dawn]

j1 i think

[plush rune]

there is no clear cut "pre faang feeder" lol

[frozen umbra]

^^

[dark portal]

bro... certain companies have higher chances, let's be real....

like... you know what we're trynna say, but you just spin it off in some obscure way

[placid dawn]

bro i have to ace the oa lol

is this yes

[plush rune]

I got a few big n interviews even without having any internships 2 years ago :man_shrugging_tone:

[fickle juniper]

let's be real a lot of it is luck

[plush rune]

YES

that's exactly my point

[dark portal]

frosty... having shopify on your resume gives you a higher chance on average than having a no-name company

[dark portal]

i agree

[plush rune]

there is no definitive clear cut feeders

[fickle juniper]

like ik some ppl where I wonder how tf they got internships at like faang/big n

[plush rune]

it's literally luck

[fickle juniper]

and then others like how did they not

[dark portal]

but if we're talking about pure cold app and both candidates apply on the same day, and one one resume you have shopify, and on the other resume you have some no-name company, who do you guys think is realistically gonna get interviews?

[fickle juniper]

just keep your head down, apply and leetcode

[dark portal]

of course, luck plays a part

a BIG one

[fickle juniper]

that's not a correct way to look at it

it's more like if we have two apps

and one has shopify and one doesn't, if you applied for 200 apps, how many offers will you get

both will probably get offers as long as you're not bad at leetcode or terribly unlucky

[placid dawn]

can I lie on this

[fickle juniper]

and at the end of the day you can only accept one per season

[dark portal]

no no... getting to the interview stage

[fickle juniper]

okay change offers -> interviews

[plush rune]

I agree

[dark portal]

okay

[fickle juniper]

ofc the resume with faang or big n will probably get more interviews

but that doesn't mean you have no hope without big n, you can only accept one offer