canada

[tawny zephyr]

another one is mid

if I dont get the free one I am dropping

is physics easy?

[austere nebula]

depends on the teacher

g11 physics is considerably easier than g12 imo

u can mostly khan academy it

[tawny zephyr]

ic

wdym

oh

i am doing ap calc gr 12

ap stats

what do uni credits do

i am new to canada

might consider it but idk cuz no point in taking a class to fail

university courses arent AP courses btw

yea

yep

i am gonna take the AP cs test end of next year probs

i am gonna take like 4-5 AP grade 12

AP CS, AP Calc, AP Stats, AP psych?

yea

yeah but it might be hard so maybe

daaang

thats pretty sick

i am trying to go to a UC

or loo

yeah

i probs wont make loo

cuz my average is shit

i had a 90% average last semester but in terms of gpa its only a 3.4

bit higher than what

its competitive

97% for loo

average

i see

i am in ontario

i am hoping loo sees i am fast tracking calc and if i get a good grade in it make an exception?

wdym

i am trying to go into cs

really?

i thought it was bachelors of comp sci

i see

thanks!

my goal is to get in UCSD UCB or UCLA or smth

but i am going to send an application to loo uoft and ryerson for shits and giggles

oh yeah i am doing that

i am probably the next president tor my org

yea

yeah but this organization is actually really big

the org i am in they are teaching young people how to code

and we host events throughout the bay area

i was part of it when i was in cali

but since i moved i am not in person

so i am in charge of all the online stuff

thanks!

i am getting my greencard soon

[tawny zephyr]

but this is only if i can maintain my grades lmao

yeah i know

do you mind looking at my resume?

for potential improvements or just future advice

alright lmao

there it is

got it

alright

will do that

yep

i am doing 1 question of leetcode

everyday

so i can understand the alg

[tawny zephyr]

i am trying

I applied to RBC, IBM

nokia as well

havent heard from them yet

i am also preparing for the CCC next year

[rocky pendant]

CCC is a great resume booster for ur first coop so take it seriously

[tawny zephyr]

any tips for how to prepare for it?

I am attending the advanced cs club at my school and I am doing leetcode which I think should help?

[rocky pendant]

my dumb ass didnt study and got like 2/5 so idk

probably leet if i had to say

[tawny zephyr]

yeah I am gonna do leetcode

[rocky pendant]

but i did it like 5 yrs ago so it might be different now tbh

[tawny zephyr]

got it

this summer I am going to be grinding summer school and preparation for CCC

I am only going to get 1 shot at it so I have to make it worth it

[austere nebula]

do GSOC or CSSI

when ur in snr year

[tawny zephyr]

you can do cssi as a sophomore as well

and whats gsoc

[worn moss]

Google summer of code

[tawny zephyr]

isnt that only for uni students

or ppl over 18

[lament trench]

ey yo verbal offer secured

[lucid berry]

Congrats

[oblique crater]

huge W

[lament trench]

thank u, gonna draft rest of the conU boys in w me

[empty oxide]

I don’t know why everyone dreaming of faang when there are companies who are paying 90k entry level in Canada

[lucid berry]

Aren't you the guy who said 100k isn't that much?

[empty oxide]

It’s an entry level mate LOL

100k no is not much. It’s the new 30k

[vivid fiber]

This is the kind of shit that makes ppl hate cs kids

[frozen umbra]

^^

[proper plaza]

bruh

[severe ocean]

I dream of 100k x 15 jobs where I only need to pretend to work

But someone beat me to the punch

[empty oxide]

Prob as a product manager instead of soft dev? 😂

[plush rune]

first thing I see in this server after a week and a half of being afk

reminds me why I hate this server a lot sometimes

[plush rune]

facts man

[rocky pendant]

honestly its less toxic than blind

id leave but i need the resources

[plush rune]

imagine comparinf 6 figures to just over minimum wage

actual degeneration

[gentle valve]

What % of canadians make 100k bro

[patent moat]

idk, i thought that was what the sunshine list was for

[empty oxide]

I have a weird question. For the people who say Concordia is easier and more practical and also say McGill is harder but better reputation. Why don’t they start in Concordia and switch in the last semester to McGill?

[steel escarp]

it depends of the transferrable courses and regulation

like ik some universities only allows u to transfer at most 60 credits

and prob some courses in concordia is not transferrable to mcgill

so if u take first 2 years in concordia there will be a possibility u have to do an extra year in mcgill

[severe ocean]

Transferring between major unis is much less of a thing in Canada compared to the US

[empty oxide]

Yeah otherwise you can study in a shitty uni and transfer to Waterloo to graduate with the name 😂

[severe ocean]

you go to waterloo for the COOP, not the name

if you graduated waterloo with no internships, you're no better off than any other major canadian Uni

[empty oxide]

Not necessarily if you did internships by your own. I think coop are good but overestimated

Plus Waterloo is quite expensive as I heard

[severe ocean]

for international yes, for domestic, UofT/Waterloo is generaally 10-13k range tuition, UBC/McGill/UofA/SFU is about half that

the big ontario schools charge more, but Ontario gives much more student grants to offset that.

[empty oxide]

Cool so just study on Concordia or McGill and switch to Waterloo on the last semester is you care about its name. Concordia has good coop too

[severe ocean]

I dont think that works

gernally in Canada, you need 60 credits from a school in order to get a degree from there

[empty oxide]

Im sure it doesn’t lmao. I’m sure Waterloo can credit only few classes which will make you add another year there and redo uncredited classes

[severe ocean]

plus idk why you'd ever transfer from mcgill to waterloo

mcgill is jsut as good if not better than waterloo

[empty oxide]

I heard lot of theory in McGill. It’s oriented towards research not tech and practicality unlike Concordia and Waterloo

[severe ocean]

that sounds like rubbish tbh

if you cant get a job out of McGill CS, going to waterloo isn't gonna help you

[craggy moth]

you think its easy to just transfer like that? You'll need to maintain a very high gpa during the whole degree

[gloomy nymph]

Waterloo

Based

[old ferry]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/21/technology/toronto-tech-boom.html?smid=tw-share

[proper plaza]

cant even read the article without an account

[storm stream]

That's not how transferring works my guy

Unis require you to do 2 years at their institution

and transferring requirements are 100x more difficult than high school entrance

[quiet ferry]

when transferring into an eng program at waterloo, you usually have to restart as a first year (1A/1B) depending on the credits you have

[empty oxide]

F*** that. They did it just to limit this hack

[frozen umbra]

You straight up start at 1A, cause eng doesnt allow transfer credits

[severe ocean]

Canada isn't the US, go to the best program you get in and finish the program, if you want a different school, do it for MS

transfering is a waste of time and money unless you're going from a 2year college to a Uni

[austere nebula]

what lol

[austere nebula]

It’s not a hack lmfao, u need a minimum of 60 credits at the transferring institution

thats why when people transfer their degree is often kicked back 2 years

or they only transfer in the first year or two

[empty oxide]

Yeah that’s shitty. I heard in US therr isn’t this problem

[empty oxide]

If you were just looking for a CS program and there was a recognized online university for CS like ulaval, would you take vs any other school?

[oblique crater]

most US universities still need 60 credits at their institution to graduate from, maybe the credit transfer is more lenient though

[austere nebula]

what how is that shitty?

why should u be allowed to transfer and graduate at an institution

that u haven't even done half ur degree at lmfao

[oblique crater]

that's what im saying, makes total sense imo

you want people transferring from shithole universities to come take 3 classes and get the same degree you busted your ass for?

it waters down the reputation of universities

[tepid olive]

Ive seen this conversation before 💀

[gloomy nymph]

at the end, all it matters is yourself m8

[oblique crater]

not for every major, cs is unique in that aspect, for many majors, the name brand has a value associated with it

plus for certain firms, being a target school increases your chances massively

[gloomy nymph]

Meh, all it takes is just one offer

[hot rapids]

has anyone ever cut a co-op term short from 8 months to 4 months? What are the typical contractual things you should be aware of when doing something like that?

For example, everything is going fine but you want to leave part way through a co-op term to work at a different company

[empty oxide]

Anyone did DecodeMTL at Concordia? The bootcamp full stack dev

[tawny zephyr]

at least yall dont have to pay 80k/year for state school

[steel escarp]

I heard waterloo for intl is close to that 🤣

[tawny zephyr]

I mean

state schools are considered not as prestigious

so an ivy league equivalent of america for price of state school

[steel escarp]

Uoft is 40

[tawny zephyr]

worth it

[steel escarp]

Ive hard even ivy is 60

So around loo range

[steel escarp]

Stanford is american uoft

Change my mind

[tawny zephyr]

it is

actually no

stanford is american loo

[steel escarp]

How about mit

[tawny zephyr]

princeton is canadian mcgill

[tawny zephyr]

fair

[steel escarp]

Actually isnt stanford focused more on ml/ai?

Could be ualberta

[tawny zephyr]

idk tbh

never really looked into post secondary

[steel escarp]

which uni are u going to attend next year?

or year after

lol

i think most of unis in ontario are really good

[tawny zephyr]

uh

I am going to be in grade 11

next year

[tawny zephyr]

yeah I am trying to go to california though

UCSD

or I might go to community college and transfer

tuition can go suck a

a chocolate bar

[sudden plaza]

30k per term

[steel escarp]

Damn hft or bust then 🤣

[sudden plaza]

fr gotta ace my hrt phone

[steel escarp]

Damn another goat leaving canada 🤣

[steel escarp]

Gl lol u got this.

Heard they asked about os and network

U should prep yourself lol

[sudden plaza]

its non swe so im not sure

its for the algo trader position

[steel escarp]

Quant?

🤣 gl with stat

My brain is too small for that

[sudden plaza]

havent touched stats in 2 yrs gg

gotta grind ig

[steel escarp]

Uhhh just make up an answer and make it sound smart

[tawny zephyr]

I used to be in cali

moved to canada like 2 months ago

💀

[gloomy nymph]

that's an L

sorry to hear that

[tawny zephyr]

its not bad but its not good as cali

[lucid berry]

You got American citizenship tho?

[tawny zephyr]

no

getting my greencard next yesr

year

[lucid berry]

Ok, that's not too bad

[tawny zephyr]

yeah

but whatever opportunity i have gotten i couldnt accept because of greencard issues

canada isnt any better in that case either

[oblique crater]

too much ML/AI

that stuff is so overhyped

[steel escarp]

Heard ualbertanis best ml/ai school in canada

Is it true?

[oblique crater]

on the grad/research level for sure

the faculty is quite research intensive in that area and are on the cutting edge in many disciplines, the undergrad courses are okay but nothing too extraordinary

[steel escarp]

How about internship opportunity. In ucalgary careerfair most of the companies are local and non tech

Ik ualberta career fair has msft and stuff

[oblique crater]

not always, ngl it's gone downhill the past few years, lots of grads make it to top companies but it isn't exactly a target school like UBC or Loo for many companies

[steel escarp]

Hmmm time to run away 👀

[oblique crater]

from Alberta yes 😆, I'm almost done my degree and I've had a great time tbh

[steel escarp]

People has been saying that tech is blooming in alberta for the past 10 years lool

[oblique crater]

bruh walmart is opening a thing with 300 jobs and people are saying alberta is the new silicon valley

[steel escarp]

🤣 new warehouse outside calgary right loool

[oblique crater]

AI/ML sure, but anything else is just fluff from what i've seen

[oblique crater]

yeah that's the one looool

[steel escarp]

Idt even ml/ai is the case

Most of top ml/ai students are going to the state

[oblique crater]

idk much about that field tbf especially research but I meant it's good for Canada

globally the states is always gonna inch out because of population and what not

[steel escarp]

Yeee loool im waiting for the day calgary beats toronto/vancouver in tech

[dark portal]

Yo apparently Calgary is on the come up

[steel escarp]

It does

[dark portal]

Walmart is opening up some lab in Calgary?

[steel escarp]

But its coming up at data centre thing

[steel escarp]

Warehouse 🤣

[dark portal]

How's the ng comp in Calgary Luke?

Like?

[steel escarp]

60-70k ish

I think

We have google amazon here

[dark portal]

Bro... how do people make the logical conclusion that Calgary is gonna become silicon Valley from a fucking warehouse

[steel escarp]

But only cloud solution architects jobs

[oblique crater]

nah i'd say 60-100k for like 25th percentile to 75th percentile of students

[dark portal]

Ahh... damn

[dark portal]

Any solid companies with eng roles?

[steel escarp]

We gonna make robots to manage the warehouse

[oblique crater]

it's a tech fulfillment center whatever that means

[steel escarp]

Which companies pay 100k for beside dozen of jobs in faang

[dark portal]

Lmao

[steel escarp]

Fot solution architects

[oblique crater]

there's a couple, nothing too prestigious

[steel escarp]

Ik cisco and synopsys pay around 70k

80k max

[oblique crater]

Intuit and Dotdash are names that come to mind

maybe not 100k outright for ng unless you're kinda cracked

in which case you'd go to FAANG anyways

[steel escarp]

Hmmm ive heard inuit pay 80-90

They pay 100 now?

They have deepmind in ed

Obv they will pay tons

[dark portal]

Is it hard to get into intuit as ng? With having IBM on your resume?

Also, does intuit sponsor tn visas?

[steel escarp]

Pretty high chance

I got c1 with no ibm

I think inuit is somewhat same as c1?

[dark portal]

I just wanna relocate to the US lmao

[steel escarp]

Bring me w u 🤣

[oblique crater]

they only hire grad students iirc

[dark portal]

Honestly... I think ibm is like.. half a step below c1 and intuit lmao

[steel escarp]

I think depends on the product

I got a chance to work in a product team

[dark portal]

Let's get married so you get that Canadian citizenship, and then we can go our separate ways

[oblique crater]

i'd say c1 > intuit and IBM but not by much

[steel escarp]

Im happy

[dark portal]

Do we consider ibm cloud a product team?

[steel escarp]

They have ibm service which create solution for the customers

And teams who actually makes the cloud services

Idk which team u on loool

For service team prob u only code a bit and do devops

Like config services

[steel escarp]

U want c1 recruiter email?

I can send u when i get home

She told me to reapply for ng in fall lol

[dark portal]

I'd appreciate that

Does Capital one have fall/winter internships?

[frozen umbra]

They do

[steel escarp]

Idk lol

[oblique crater]

yoo might need that sauce as well

[frozen umbra]

I see them on my school board so yes

[steel escarp]

I declined their final cuz i already signed

[steel escarp]

Cool cool ill send later when i get home lol

[dark portal]

Have you interned there b4?

[frozen umbra]

At capital one? No

[dark portal]

Interviewed?

[frozen umbra]

Yeah

[dark portal]

Mind if I message you?

[frozen umbra]

Sure

[fickle juniper]

Why Intuit?

[frozen umbra]

Tho it’s been a while so I probably don’t remember

[fickle juniper]

Oh wait nvm I see someone mentioned it

[worn moss]

Hey just out of curiosity has any1 had any luck applying to the US for masters or phd with a Canadian undergrad? Do you think ur undergrad uni matters when applying? Mainly asking cause from LinkedIn it just seems like UW and UOFT are the only schools sending out students to big schools like Stanford and mit but is that cause of the school or the people from those schools are just different

[storm stream]

I been cold messaging Canadian SWEs at Coinbase all day on LinkedIn and man people are so nice

[steel escarp]

Damn ur grinding for cb?

[storm stream]

Helllllll ya

Gonna need some referrals when the time comes

I'm asking peeps about the newgrad process

[honest tulip]

does anyone still have a list of places that are hiring swe interns for the summer

either canada or us remote

[storm stream]

You should check LinkedIn... Small and medium sized companies are still looking

[ionic sky]

Very random question: is there any difference in US visa approval if you have an eng vs cs degree? does one have an easier time with visas than the other?

[frozen umbra]

No different

[fickle juniper]

For TN ur degree has to be directly related to the work ur doing and is at the discretion of the border official. Ex. U might not get in for swe with chem eng whereas ull get in with cs

[ionic sky]

sorry, specifically comparing a soft eng and cs degree

[fickle juniper]

Probably not then

[frozen umbra]

<@&868936794601828492> ^^ there’s a scam

[rose sierra]

dang

sniped

[steel escarp]

Kpmg calgary just had a post about summer intetnship today

[steel escarp]

Same bro lool talking to some people go prepare ref for my ng

[craggy moth]

Is kpmg a bad company to work for?

Some applications ask if you've ever worked there

[steel escarp]

Good place i think

[fickle juniper]

I saw this: https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/2980085639

[steel escarp]

Oh the neo

🤣

[fickle juniper]

How do u feel about them? They’re based in Calgary right?

[steel escarp]

Ye

Well interview is lc based

Uhh asked for exp

And pay 15/hr

[fickle juniper]

Oh god

15/hr is so low

[steel escarp]

Min wage in alberta lol

[fickle juniper]

Still better than nothing ig

[steel escarp]

Ye

First or 2nd exp is decent

But like idk

They raised 50 mils like 2 years ago

And they still pay interns bad

[fickle juniper]

They always have a booth setup on our campus trying to get us to sign up for a credit card haha

That’s why it caught my eye haha

[steel escarp]

Like 50 mils in 2020 serie A and 64 serie B in 2021

[fickle juniper]

Ohh that’s pretty good

[steel escarp]

Which kinda insane for a alberta based company

Yee lool they have their booth everywhere

Even in the middle in chinook a mall near my house

🤣

[fickle juniper]

Oh dang same founders as SkiptheDishes

[steel escarp]

Ye

I think they bring their main team from skip to neo

Thats why they can raise lots of fund like that

[storm stream]

Bro I messaged this lady for advice about Stripe she said she hates it LMAO... We have a call scheduled on Monday 💀

[steel escarp]

Lool is she an alumni from our school?

If so i prob know her

[steel escarp]

But to be fair stripe has a bad wlb i think

[storm stream]

Yeah she is lol

[steel escarp]

Lool ye kk her then

[storm stream]

Yeah I heard that too... salary is crazy for ng tho

[steel escarp]

It makes sense cuz she used to work in msft

The diff in wlb is huge

[storm stream]

Yeah LOL chillest company to Stripe hell

I'd hate it too

[steel escarp]

Shes kinda cracked tho

She got bb reached out

[storm stream]

yeah fr she's OP

[steel escarp]

When she was in 3rd year uni

She wenr from swe new grad to senior in 4 year

[storm stream]

I'm surprised she went from senior at MSFT back to SWE at Stripe

[lucid berry]

How do y'all cold DM people on LinkedIn 💀

[steel escarp]

Prob somewhat similar level at stripe

[storm stream]

Not sure if down level

Ya maybe

[storm stream]

bro pretend I'm a random what would you write in your message to me

[lucid berry]

[steel escarp]

Refer me to banana ily

[storm stream]

[vivid fiber]

Also if any1 is still looking for an internship

Bonsai is hiring

I worked there last summer and had a good experience

[steel escarp]

damn lots of companies actually start hiring now

[oblique crater]

the timeline difference between US and Canada is crazy

hiring for the summer in the US is pretty much wrapped up for the summer

some places in Canada barely started

[steel escarp]

i think thats good for us tho

we can try us early

if we fail then we can apply to canadian stuff later

[oblique crater]

true it’s good in that regard

[steel escarp]

ye

[honest tulip]

Must be on site hahaha no

I thought there’s a lot more us postings now than Canada

Except they don’t sponsor

[fickle juniper]

O I thought u meant Canada, US Remote

I think most US swe positions are filled, same with Canada tbh

[steel escarp]

I think neo flexible w remote

Dont quote me on that tho

[cursive blaze]

I've heard nothing but bad things about Neo

just my two cents but a word of caution

low pay, crazy hours, and a very "cliquey" group of people to work with

[oblique crater]

yeah if they all moved from skip, they definitely have a culture already in place that will hurt you if you don't fit into it

[steel escarp]

neo or bust 👀

im curious what's the equity like for new grad swe

[oblique crater]

where did you hear this?

I was interested in interning there for a while but got a better offer now lol

[cursive blaze]

know a guy who has a friend who works there haha. basically always working weekends is the norm there

from what he was telling me

[steel escarp]

do they pay 1.5x overtime?

isn't it illegal if they don't pay u overtime?

I've heard they interns in neo work like 60 hrs a week lol

[cursive blaze]

here's a glassdoor review xD

[oblique crater]

that's gross lmfao

[steel escarp]

but just curious if they get paid for the extra time

wait

[cursive blaze]

does not look like OT is paid

[steel escarp]

no overtime

🤣

LOOOOOOOOOOL

[oblique crater]

wow sounds like a disaster waiting to happen

[cursive blaze]

pay is pretty bad in comparison to other places too

[steel escarp]

yoyo gotta stay way from neo

uhhhh

first i thought it was a joke between friends

[oblique crater]

yeah they literally posted their intern positions at the start of the week, not even gonna bother

[steel escarp]

it turns out to be true

🤣

[cursive blaze]

yeah I mean can read through glassdoor

just seems terrible

[steel escarp]

but on the other hand there aren't too many tech companies in calgary tho

like actual product companies

[sudden spruce]

damn i applied there not knowing what was up

🥴

[steel escarp]

most of the "tech" companies in calgary are like consulting and outsource

[steel escarp]

u missed the fun

[oblique crater]

but alberta is the new tech hub

[steel escarp]

its not too late

wanna join?

🤣

[sudden spruce]

lmfaoo

[steel escarp]

its so cringe lool

[sudden plaza]

theres cisco right?

[steel escarp]

ye

but they mainly work on security stuff

[cursive blaze]

a lot of companies offer remote now as well

[sudden plaza]

ye tbh i have no idea what cisco does lmao

[steel escarp]

u dont need to

just need to get meraki

thats all u need 🤣

[sudden spruce]

tru

meraki hiring bar seems pretty high

[sudden plaza]

ye meraki OA was so hard lmao

[sudden spruce]

damn

i did the regular cisco oa it was just blind75 q's

[steel escarp]

actually?

[oblique crater]

what's meraki?

[sudden spruce]

like variations

[steel escarp]

i thought both are the same

[sudden spruce]

of b75

b75 op

[sudden plaza]

iirc i did meraki and it was like LC hard and meds

[steel escarp]

i did cisco oa and it was like 2 easies 2 easies/meds

but never heard back from them

[sudden plaza]

reg cisco was easier but they ghosted me after oa lol

[oblique crater]

didn't even get cisco OA

[steel escarp]

just get hrt

thats where u belong

[oblique crater]

one guy in my university got HRT last summer

[sudden plaza]

grinding my brain out for hrt rn

failing classes gg

[oblique crater]

HRT >> class

[steel escarp]

got B- in my recent midterm

feelsgoodman

[cursive blaze]

I'm sitting on 3 OA I gotta do within a week. I've barely studied leetcode xD

Amazon, Faire, and some startup named Elemy

[sudden plaza]

pog

rainforest

[steel escarp]

how did u get faire lol

i want faire but i dont see they posted their intern position

[cursive blaze]

1yr experience

[steel escarp]

oh lool so u applied for ft

[cursive blaze]

yee

honestly once you get a yr experience getting interviews is insanely easy

[steel escarp]

actually?

[oblique crater]

1 year fulltime or with internships counted?

[cursive blaze]

I have 1 year fulltime and like a year and a half internship experience

[steel escarp]

but to have 1 year exp i need to pass my courses and get the paper first

[oblique crater]

that's very solid

[cursive blaze]

yeah internships look good but if you don't land one it's not the end of the world. Projects / Volunteering / Extracurricular stuff still holds a lot of weight

imo at least

[steel escarp]

i feel like

internship is a create way to secure your first job

like a safe option

worst case u can just take return offer

[cursive blaze]

haha yeah. my intern turned ft

[steel escarp]

thats pretty nice lol

[cursive blaze]

yeah it was nice, had an offer in like november when I graduated in May xD

[steel escarp]

LOL

actually?

so they reach out to you?

[cursive blaze]

Yeah they reached out and told me to apply for full time and yeah that kinda sealed it

[steel escarp]

loool

nice

[oblique crater]

goals right here

[cursive blaze]

Yeah also there’s plenty of non-tech companies in Canada starting to branch out and build software in-house

Worth taking a look at ones like that

Canadian telecom are an example

[storm stream]

@cursive blaze where do you work currently? Best of luck ✨✨✨

Anyone know anything about Apple new grad in Canada?

[fickle juniper]

Have a friend who got an offer there recently

[storm stream]

Oh nice nice! What do you know about the process/teams/pay?

There isn't a lot of info about Apple in Canada

[fickle juniper]

For process depends on team but bar is really high, pay is really high. Won’t go into specifics here cuz it’s not my offer

[terse tartan]

is it higher than amazon van?

[storm stream]

According to levels.fyi yes... By a lot 😅

[cursive blaze]

a telecom where the future is friendly haha

[terse tartan]

oh nice its around 190k US

wait its so random

theres like 2 around 190 and 1 around 130

pretty scuffed numbers

[terse tartan]

is this a fellow ubc grad? do u think i could dm them

[storm stream]

What's a telecom?

[fickle juniper]

Yes but idt he’s on discord, probably doesn’t want to share just yet :/

[spiral prairie]

anyone do meta phone here?

[terse tartan]

ok nbd im not in a huge rush to know

did he accept? :0

oh i blocked dms at some point due to spam from this server

[steel escarp]

Telus 🤣

[rocky pendant]

i know that ive applied 4 times and they never got back to me and im not happy about it

[storm stream]

For new grad or internship?

[rocky pendant]

3 intership + 1 new grad

[severe ocean]

I don’t think apple really takes new grads unless you have intern experience in exactly what they’re hiring for

Or preferably a grad degree in the specialty plus intern experience in that area

[oblique crater]

yeah check linkedin and indeed

[honest tulip]

My friend has a full time new grad offer for apple Canada

[honest tulip]

I don’t think it’s a lot higher than Amazon Canada

I’ll ask him

[storm stream]

Niiiiiiceee... if it's not too much can you ask him about the process too? I'm looking for advice on how to get in 😅

[steel escarp]

damn ur so ready for new grad 🤣

[storm stream]

Bro I don't wanna stay at Amazon 😂

[steel escarp]

why lol

[storm stream]

pip 😂

[wide aurora]

What’s a good salary for SWE in Canada

[steel escarp]

damn ur running away from the best A in the FAANg

🤣

[storm stream]

Better than Apple? Bruuuuuh 😅

[storm stream]

Outside of FAANG I'd say a good place to start is 70k-80k?

[wide aurora]

Hm

[steel escarp]

idk ig its team dependent i heard apple has lots of bad teams as well

[vivid fiber]

Ya I think Appl pay is really bad

[steel escarp]

I think apple pay team is in vancouver no?

heard aws in vancouver is pretty bad as well

[vivid fiber]

Ya rule of thumb is that most cloud teams r bad

[empty raft]

depends on your major + experience, i'd say if you start below 60k$ is bad

[fickle juniper]

u coould probably find a bunch that pays 6 figs, 70-80k is like very low-end

[empty raft]

70-80k is actually in the average for SWE in canada

[fickle juniper]

for new grad swes with 4yr bachelors? I feel like 70-80k is quite low

[steel escarp]

I think it includes other provinces like newfoundland and stuff

which kinda make sense if its lower than the average in vancouver/toronto

[fickle juniper]

oh FAIR

[steel escarp]

i'd say average in toronto/vancouver is 80-90?

idk dont quote me on that lol

[fickle juniper]

my bigoted vancouver-centric view

[empty raft]

I mean Quebec area 75-80k is average for SWE

[steel escarp]

alberta is around that number i think

unless u get a job in deepmind and stuff in edmonton

but there are only a few jobs like that lol

[empty raft]

Fyi, SWE average salary is 75-80k not because there are lots of companies that underpay SWE engineers but the opposite, because there is a huge market for FAANG fellas in Canada, SWE engineers at FAANG make 150k$ (CAD) / year without bonuses

So the average rises up because of the big salaries at FAANG

[fickle juniper]

if ur a new grad, with the market as it is right now, and you're willing to relocate to big Canadian cities, you're selling urself short if you don't go for six figs imo

[steel escarp]

i can sell myself to companies with free food 👀

[empty raft]

Big Canadian cities don't matter , the SWE sector in Halifax does more GDP than the GDP of Toronto, Montreal and Quebec summed up

it really depends where are the majority of FAANG ofices

In any case, look for 70-80k if you are looking in Quebec, otherwise idk

[fickle juniper]

what really? That's insane

I wouldn't be surprised if the gdp of ON is 10x the gdp of Nova Scotia

[steel escarp]

damn incoming swe @ halifax 🤣

time to move

[empty raft]

Check average salary Halifax xd

[fickle juniper]

maybe proportionally?

[empty raft]

I mean no1 lives there and basically only big companies move in there cuz electricity goes brr and is cheap in canada and in halifax is cold af so they can cool down their servers

not a joke

[steel escarp]

its not b-a-d

you know

if u spend $300 a month on housing

[fickle juniper]

thats true LOL

[steel escarp]

and 200 monthly expense

[fickle juniper]

Or you could work remotely at Coinbase or something and get ~170k-ish while living in Halifax

[empty raft]

i mean you spend housing like 4$ and 5$ for food and stuf

you can basically make 170k$ a year and live in Pakistan , free housing , free food

[fickle juniper]

Im pretty sure salesforce has offices in halifax? I feel like i've seen postings

and like blackberry maybe

[steel escarp]

ye thats the dream

[empty raft]

But if serious, I'd suggest Toronto for SWE, Vancouver is too fucking expensive with housing, Toronto is pretty ok-ish

[steel escarp]

work for canadian/american companies

[fickle juniper]

ngl I would never even think of working in halifax though, I assume it's insanely cold

[steel escarp]

with north american salary

in asia

🙂

[empty raft]

In Ukraine xd

[fickle juniper]

dude that would be such a dream holy

[steel escarp]

free house cuz mom's basement

[fickle juniper]

wait no not Ukraine lmao

[steel escarp]

free food cuz mom's food

ezpz

[fickle juniper]

i meant in asia

[empty raft]

But yeah , pretty much every eastern Europe country where housing literally 200$ and same for food with 150k+ salary per year

[fickle juniper]

if u tell someone in south korea that you make 100k, they think you're insane

[empty raft]

is it that bad?

[fickle juniper]

wages are just way lower

[steel escarp]

Samsung pays well in the state

Not sure how its like in korea

[empty raft]

isnt housing insanely high above 3rd floor or smthing? cuz of the polution? kappa

[fickle juniper]

Samsung in Korea is like one of the best companies you can get into

[empty raft]

no joke, read an article about that, in China's biggest cities housing above 5th floor are insanely high cuz air

[fickle juniper]

they're like Amazon, a conglomerate that does everything

[fickle juniper]

housing is insane no matter what

it's easier to afford a house in Vancouver than an apartment in Seoul

[south rose]

korea that expensive?

[fickle juniper]

yeah there's like no land, so property is hella expensive

the population of S.Korea is higher than Canada, but the country's like the size of Vancouver Island

so just imagine how bad housing might be

[south rose]

what about north

[fickle juniper]

let me ask my friend Kim Jong Un

[empty raft]

what did he say btw?

[steel escarp]

Heard rich ppl bought all the lands and properties in seoul lol

[fickle juniper]

he said something in Korean, too lazy to translate

[empty raft]

ppl who know korean

[storm stream]

Nah that's average

We have a unique perspective I'd say because of our exposure to FAANG

But man I talk to some classmates and they're excited about making $30/hr out of school

Outside of FAANG circles people are just stoked about a nice stable income

[fickle juniper]

yeah that's probably true, in a bubble lol

[storm stream]

Which kinda makes sense if I didn't know/care about FAANG salaries

[storm stream]

LOL ya 😅

[fickle juniper]

i hear so many ppl getting 100-200k offers it begins to feel like the norm

[storm stream]

Right? It's kinda crazy...

[oblique crater]

that's the US lol

[storm stream]

Plus us Canadians need an extra filter on American salaries LOL

[oblique crater]

but honestly, if you have internships and know a bit of leetcode, I think you can land 6 figures here in Canada

that's my goal at least

[fickle juniper]

if you have one or more solid internships

[storm stream]

For sure you can 👌🏼👌🏼

[fickle juniper]

you should aim for six figs for sure

honestly even if not

[oblique crater]

6 figs within 2 years of graduation no doubt even if you have shit luck in your newgrad search

[storm stream]

100%

The growth opportunities for us is kinda bonkers

[oblique crater]

it feels like a bubble lol

[storm stream]

LOL maybe

[steel escarp]

thats me 🤣

6 bbt an hour

good enough

[storm stream]

🤣🤣

[oblique crater]

80% of my classmates don't even apply to internships

they just go work their old hs summer jobs they've had for years

[fickle juniper]

in accounting there are senior managers (like almost 10yrs of experience) that barely crack six figs in Vancouver

im talking about like top accounting firms like Deloitte

[storm stream]

Bruh some kids I know did tech support in the summer and called it an internship

Fkn oil and gas companies

[fickle juniper]

although if you make partner in one of those firms you'll make way more money

[steel escarp]

most of accounting ppl leave big4 and open their own consulting firms

thats bunch of ppl i know did

i studied accounting before btw 👀

[fickle juniper]

ohh that makes sense

[steel escarp]

changed major cuz i hate math

now im in cs

[fickle juniper]

actually one of my friends worked in Accounting at Amazon LOL

his experience is almost exactly the same as the typical stuff you hear in SWE

straight up got bullied

[empty raft]

eventually you will stop working for big companies, if you are smart enough you will open your own company nomatter your segment of work

[storm stream]

Pip in accounting?

[steel escarp]

I thought 6 figs free bananas and chill all day 👀

[storm stream]

If you're lucky with a chill team

[steel escarp]

turn overrate in accounting is high af

if ur in some big banks like gs jp and stuff u gotta work from 6am - 9pm

[storm stream]

Bruh I need to show you guys a story it's popping off on the Amazon discord

[steel escarp]

especially in jan - april during tax season

[storm stream]

https://www.teamblind.com/post/5Xhgc0y1

[steel escarp]

heard amazon did team matching

did u get ur team?

[storm stream]

He's giving day to day updates on the discord LMAO he's getting fucked

[storm stream]

Team matching? Like Google and FB? Naah

I just got assigned

I got hr team LMAO... "Recruitment engine"

I'll know all the secrets to pass resume screen maybe

[fickle juniper]

dude wtf did I just read lol

[storm stream]

It's actually fucking insane

[steel escarp]

oh ye amazon is like guaranteed team matching

[empty raft]

i mean getting buttfucked so hard even at amazon that's terrible

[steel escarp]

yo fix their rng resume screen algorithm

quick quick

just do sthing like

[storm stream]

He's telling us his manager is like threatening and bribing people to give good reviews so he doesn't get pip LMAO

[steel escarp]

if (candiate.school == "University of Calgary") return offer

[empty raft]

xd

[storm stream]

LOL I gotchu

[fickle juniper]

if (is_part_of_cscareers.dev_discord) {return offer}

[empty raft]

honetsly if shit like that happened in Canada - the L6 guy would definitely get burned like a fucking witch in 13 century

[steel escarp]

actually just do for candiate in pool: return offer

LOL

[storm stream]

Dude he's in Seattle 😅😅

[empty raft]

I mean US - what can I say

tolerate shit like that and not face it with your balls

[fickle juniper]

I had to read it twice and I still don't fully understand

[steel escarp]

it does happen sometime in canada tho

[fickle juniper]

would be so crazy to be in it

[steel escarp]

but fewer than the state

[empty raft]

I mean it was pretty much like this :

while intern is shaky :
if L6<L7:
return intern.burned
else:
return intern.not_burned

[fickle juniper]

i mean it sounds like that one L6 manager is fked

and the skip is just a dick

[storm stream]

Yeah that L6 is fucking insane

[fickle juniper]

and somehow it has to do with the intern??

[oblique crater]

lmfao they're just taking it out on the intern

[steel escarp]

LOL

[storm stream]

Yeah the intern is just eating shit on a daily basis

Poor guy

[oblique crater]

L6 probs incompetent, L7 super stressed about team because of L6, probably trying to get him fired

[steel escarp]

ends up the intern got fired 🤣

[storm stream]

LOL he's on his last 2 weeks

[steel escarp]

L6 get promoted to L7

[oblique crater]

[steel escarp]

L7 got promoted to L8

happy ending

[storm stream]

And crazy manager gave him a brand new project

[empty raft]

Just think about it guys, ask the right questions - they have to go to pee while Beff Jezos is on the moon , how do you think the policy might be in that company - i mean is sure that is pretty fucking great as a SWE with no life but otherwise idk man , seems like a nono company eventho you are payed billions and billions and billions

[steel escarp]

I think if u dont finish ur term project then u dont get the return offer

[storm stream]

Yeah manager said to him "don't count on a return offer"

[oblique crater]

if I was him I wouldn't want a return offer

[storm stream]

He's getting fleeced

[oblique crater]

amazon is just way too much rng

[fickle juniper]

yeah this LOL

[storm stream]

Yeah dude the amount of horror stories out of Amazon... Like wtf

[steel escarp]

wait so in amazon u have 1 mentor 1 senior and 1 hm?

[empty raft]

not is not, is like facebook - you either perform as good as the kiddo that knew how to code from the age of 3 or you gtfo

[storm stream]

If I get a return offer I'm using it to bargain

[steel escarp]

i thought usually u only have 1 hm and 1 mentor?

[oblique crater]

resume screen, OAs, final round, team you get put on, managers, culture, everything is a toss up and can either fuck you or basically have you making ridiculous money in a chill job

[storm stream]

Yeah I thought so too

[steel escarp]

like at ibm i have 1 hm and 1 senior swe as my mentor

[empty raft]

IBM - kinda respectable

is like Microsoft for kids

jk xd

[storm stream]

IBM top tier

[steel escarp]

LOL

why do they assume the managers are indians 🤣

[storm stream]

LMAO

He's Iranian

Like me

[steel escarp]

bruh im a kid 🤣

[storm stream]

🤪🤪🤪

[empty raft]

why Iranian tho

Why are you Iranian

xd

[fickle juniper]

wtf LOL

[empty raft]

Jk , I ran often aswell

[storm stream]

I'm stating facts... According to the intern the manager said "he has connections to Iranian mafia" as a scare tactic because someone was recording all their meetings and all his outbursts

[oblique crater]

lmfao

[fickle juniper]

wait u know this intern?

[storm stream]

He's in the Amazon discord

[empty raft]

Is that even a thing is Seattle wtf ? kappa

[fickle juniper]

ohhh LOL

[storm stream]

Giving us updates

[fickle juniper]

LMAO

[empty raft]

what a chad

[fickle juniper]

dang I wish I got an offer just so I can see this

[storm stream]

It's actually the saddest thing 😅

[steel escarp]

do u have to verify to get in the discord channel?

[storm stream]

Ya

[fickle juniper]

LMAO WTF

[storm stream]

That manager is just crazy.... Talks MAD shit dropping F bombs all the time

I feel bad for the intern

😅😅

[fickle juniper]

I'm blown away this shis real, I have to take a break every few messages cus its so funny

[steel escarp]

just like robert walker said its the real world 🤣

[storm stream]

Dude reading the live updates..... It's unreal 🤣🤣

There's a lot of like crazy details too much to repeat here

But random shit like bribing employees with ski trips

HR showing up at stand-ups to tell him not to joke about mafia ties

[fickle juniper]

wtf LOL

[storm stream]

Just RANDOM bullshit

[fickle juniper]

dude amazon's gone from meme -> shitshow

[storm stream]

Fr💀💀

Oh also

His whole team's been on this thing called 996

9am to 9pm 6 days a week

[fickle juniper]

wowww

[storm stream]

💀💀💀💀💀🤣🤣🤣🤣

[fickle juniper]

just absolute insanity, I Can't even

[storm stream]

Yeah like wow

[fickle juniper]

I knew another intern had to regularly work saturdays just to do ops cuz stuff was breaking all the time

[storm stream]

He's on the Alexa team which is notorious apparently for being a shit show

[fickle juniper]

yeah this is next level

[steel escarp]

really i thought alexa teams in toronto are supposed to be chill

[storm stream]

Yeah I didn't know they had that reputation

Apparently it's a nightmare team

😅

[steel escarp]

dang i wanted to join alexa cuz they have pretty cool products

gotta reconsider again

[storm stream]

Maybe you're right about Alexa Toronto

This dude is in Seattle

[steel escarp]

oh loool it makes sense

i think amazon hq is in seattle?

thats where all the shit shows happen 🤣

[storm stream]

Yeah LMAO

[elder hamlet]

anyone know about the TC for Meta new grads?

Levels doesn't have much / any info for Canada Meta new grads

[frozen umbra]

So, someone got an offer, and that offer was:

110k cad
120k usd stocks
Around 20k cad signing bonus, but not sure about that

Nvm, it’s 10k signing bonus.

[frozen umbra]

That’s cause the Canada office just opened

[elder hamlet]

Damn

That's pretty good

when u say 120k stocks, does that make the TC 230k per year?

Sorry im a noob with tc stuff

[frozen umbra]

No, 120k usd stock vested over 4 years means 30k usd worth of stocks each year

[elder hamlet]

ahh ok

[frozen umbra]

So you’ll be getting approx 167k cad first year

[elder hamlet]

nicee, any idea if it was Remote or Toronto?

[wide aurora]

Meta never gets back to me

Like not even rejection

Smh

Apple too, like they act like I never even applied lol

[zinc basin]

the thing is that we only hear from people who get 6 figures. This makes our dataset and perception highly biased.

[frozen umbra]

Toronto

Remote should be 92k base

[cerulean mesa]

Is York University a good university?

[placid dawn]

tons of people including seniors stuck at below 90k

[craggy moth]

some aren't willing to go down in tiers for better pay

[gloomy nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-chad-gif-18386674

[old ferry]

Unless it's Waterloo or UofT, your school wont matter at all from what I've seen.

Quality of learning I can't speak on tho, but with a cs degree u learn most things online anyway lol

[cerulean mesa]

I dont see it as highly ranked at UofT or Waterloo so I asked!

*as

[storm stream]

Projects and internships are the great equalizer... Yeah a few companies may target specific schools, but overall you can achieve anything regardless of school name

How's York's co-op program?

[proper plaza]

A lot of York students get internships at IBM through their coop program

its not a bad coop program but nothing crazy

[spiral prairie]

When I was there it was 90% uoft and Waterloo kids

[wind notch]

Does wloo have their own private job posting site? I thinking its waterlooworks? Where there's only certain companies that exclusively post there. Like I see all these u.s. startups wloo kids land but no job applications online. :/

[proper plaza]

lol well, that really shows how much more opportunities uoft/waterloo/ubc kids get compared to other schools

[spiral prairie]

Yup I go to uofa to find that internship I’m not joking u I had to dm the coordinator on Twitter lol #

I just cold dmed and it worked like magic

[rocky pendant]

a buddy of mine from york just got amd so its def possible to get good jobs

[frozen umbra]

Yeah, they have their own Waterloo job posting board. It has a lot of US jobs and start ups posted

[fickle juniper]

anyone from Canada have any luck getting a response from Tesla for fall? I know they hire from Canada, just wondering if anyone here's heard back

[storm stream]

I applied the minute they posted Fall openings... haven't heard back 😅

But my resume isn't cracked so idk

[sudden plaza]

recruiter saw my resume through a school event got rejected lol

[fickle juniper]

oof well I'm not going to hold my breath then

[steel escarp]

how 🤣

yours passed hrt resume screen but failed tesla

it doesnt make sense

[old ferry]

its cause those postings were up back in september

but they do have a job board and it's the main reason why its such a good school, pretty much guaranteed freshman internship. but i go to mac and ik plenty of people getting top tech jobs in the US, so it's definitely possible and it is common. I find that most people don't even bother applying to internships until junior year which is a terrible idea cuz a lot of canadian firms/startups will hire you especially if you reach out. previous experience is much more valuable to your resume than your school

[honest tulip]

What postings in the us will hire Canadians

[idle cobalt]

only one way to find out

[wind notch]

Yeah I feel you. Am from there as well. I've seen it happen so it goes to show you it's possible, just might have to grind harder. But jeez is the response rate low man :(

[severe ocean]

york is pretty bleh

better off going to ottawa or queens

or carleton

[sudden plaza]

idk i think my resume is more suited towards hrt than tesla tbh

[severe ocean]

my resume is suited towards the shreader

[sudden plaza]

more finance stuff

[gloomy nymph]

Ottawa sucks

[wind notch]

Is Carleton the one with decent coop program?

[gloomy nymph]

I mean for me, any uni will do the trick

same shit different toilet

[wind notch]

I think those with solid coop programs like wloo have an advantage cause it's designed so they can take their classes in the summer and continue. Like at mine, we don't have that .

[gloomy nymph]

I mean

u can get experience applying on ur own

I was not in coop at uottawa

[wind notch]

But yeah i guess it doesn't matter you can just take time off. Like the states doesn't really have coop i heard

[gloomy nymph]

and I still got a decent amount of NG interviews

[wind notch]

At the end of the day, it may help getting foot in door which really helps a lot in long run.

And you had decent internship experience?

[odd trellis]

when do fall internships get posted in canada?

ik we do everything late compared to the USA, but so far nothing on linkedin

[wind notch]

I think the trend is at least 4 months in advance up until fall term actually starts. Basically once winter terms ends, you can start to see more

[oblique crater]

close to the start of the summer

May, June

[elder hamlet]

when do FAANG new grad applications open for positions starting Jan 2023

[gloomy nymph]

keyword is may

[gloomy nymph]

nah, I only had 2 and from shitty nowhere companies in mexico

getting interviews depends more on how well u phrase ur experience

[oblique crater]

im wondering this too

[analog current]

^

[storm stream]

Good morning kings and queens, anyone know what Pinterest new grad salary is?

They just rejected my intern application and it made me wonder 😅

[frozen umbra]

Pintrest new grad should have been posted in #new_grad_salary_sharing

[storm stream]

No data from Canada

[frozen umbra]

I don’t know anyone who got Pinterest canada. They all got the American one

Didn’t even realize they had a Canada office lmao

[oblique crater]

there's one in Toronto

[storm stream]

Ya there's one in Toronto but it's small compared to their US offices. Somewhere around 120 employees.

[lucid berry]

All the positions that I find for Pinterest are remote

[south rose]

i interviewed for canada

[south rose]

230k USD

idk about intern

[storm stream]

For Canadian new grad?

[south rose]

Nah

You’ll prob get paid 🥜 for Canada

Lucky if you even get 130k CAD

[sudden plaza]

canada moment

[south rose]

My Canadian offers were a joke

[austere nebula]

yeah canada pays p poorly

[oblique crater]

poorly relative to the US*

[placid dawn]

if u dont get auto rejectr

[storm stream]

Y'all see the globe and mail article? Lol

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-canadian-tech-companies-in-a-global-struggle-to-attract-and-hang-on-to/

[storm stream]

I didn't get auto rejected... Just normal rejected

[storm stream]

Offers? Plural? You're cracked

What did you pull?

[vivid fiber]

Nah, there's a few companies in Canada paying 180-200l

I'd assume that Pin pays that much

[storm stream]

Which ones? Stripe, Wish, Brex...?

[vivid fiber]

Stripe, Snap, Wish, Brex, Nuro

And there's a few others paying 130k+

[storm stream]

Didn't know we have Snap Canada that's dope

I think Instacart pays nice too

[vivid fiber]

Snap Canada pays 200k for ng

But they have pip, so not the best place

[fickle juniper]

Apple :)

[storm stream]

For ICT2 ooorrrr?

[fickle juniper]

Haha good point, I only know about ict3, maxes out at 220k apparently

[storm stream]

Holy fk

Bro with just a few years of exp + LC + system design....

[fickle juniper]

And Apple has some sweet refreshers too

[placid dawn]

yall talking about 200k salaries like nothing ☠️

my dad feeds a fam of 3 with $30hr

[storm stream]

who said it's nothing my g

[storm stream]

family of 6, parents make like 75k combined ❤️

We making it big for our families

[placid dawn]

cant imagine making 200k

the relief

[south rose]

I failed a lot of interviews so it wasnt easy

but i got like Microsft, Shopfiy, IBM, GOAT and some ofers

others

[vivid fiber]

Goat?

[south rose]

yeah the offer i took

goat.com

[vivid fiber]

Oh it's a fashion brand

That's pretty sik

[storm stream]

Goat is like stockx

That's sick

You're cracked

[south rose]

thanks but it took a lot trust

i aint smart just was determined

[storm stream]

Which one did you take

[south rose]

goat

[storm stream]

Wowwwww fr?

[south rose]

si

[storm stream]

It was that good?

[south rose]

si

[dark portal]

Tn visa?

In Person?

[south rose]

yeah

remote but need to move to US

[dark portal]

I'm trynna move to the US too

[south rose]

yeah i wouldnt settle for a canada job

if u have experience

[dark portal]

Yup

[south rose]

either take the job and jump

[dark portal]

No chance in hell lol

Like... if I have to, I'll stay for a hit

[storm stream]

COngrats subs WOW