canada

[fickle juniper]

But also BC bias

[frozen umbra]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I’m from Ontario anyways, so I got no clue

I just know that the guys in my classes are freaking insane

[craggy moth]

That’s the only reason I never went there. Have to compete to get into CS after first year

[frozen umbra]

I’m like the bottom of the barrel compared to them

[craggy moth]

You might just be looking at the top 10%

[frozen umbra]

I mean, when 70% of my class is heading to the US

[vivid fiber]

bottom of barrel uw is still cream of the crop for Canada

[frozen umbra]

I don’t think it’s too 10%

[vivid fiber]

also u got Meta, I'm sur ur not bottom of the barrel, lol

[frozen umbra]

I mean, if you compared my internships to them, I’m pretty bottom/average

Just got lucky that metas hiring a lot

Tho their stocks tanked

[untold nebula]

At the end of the day, you can get US interviews going to any school in Canada. You gotta have a good resume + good rng. With loo and uoft you'll have an easier time getting those interviews, but you still got put in the work either way

[vivid fiber]

internships don't matter once you get a ft job imo.

some ppl conflate prestige of internships to intelligence/skill. while getting good internships probably means you're smart. not getting good internships doesn't mean you aren't.

[mental sinew]

wat

[vivid fiber]

wats up?

[fickle juniper]

Yeah I think it doesn't matter for your resume as much once you get the ft offer, but it's also good for your network to have worked with and gotten to know ppl from lots of different backgrounds

[vivid fiber]

that is very tru

[fickle juniper]

and usually better internships == more money, if that's important to some ppl as well

[fickle juniper]

but yes I totally agree with this, it's not always the smartest ppl with the best internships and vice versa

[mental sinew]

why itnernship no matter once FT

[fickle juniper]

it's not counted towards your YOE

like if you've worked at meta for 2 years, they won't care about your internship from your sophomore year

[mental sinew]

what if only one ft

[fickle juniper]

I guess you should still include it in your resume, but it won't impact the level you're hired at idt

i could be wrong about that

[frozen umbra]

Yeah, that’s kinda of problem here in UW. I still have that problem, tho working on it since it’s probably not a healthy for my long term mental health if I keep thinking I’m inferior to most people in my cohort

[oblique crater]

itll factor in slightly as previous experience

but fulltime work is king

[fickle juniper]

I wonder if I have 1yr of google internship experience if that's better than 1yoe as a fte at a random no-name startup

[frozen umbra]

Your right about this. Internships don’t affect your level that your hired. Since internships don’t count as YOE

[fickle juniper]

comparison is the thief of joy my friend

[vivid fiber]

Basically what eth said

[fickle juniper]

@frozen umbra, please be nice to my friend @frozen umbra

[mental sinew]

[frozen umbra]

Uhhh, it depends. Most internships, you get assigned to an intern project. You might get a boring project and might not learn a lot, but at a start up you’ll probably need to onboard quicker and learn more

But google clout on resume helps a lot in getting interviews

Even if you worked as an intern

[oblique crater]

I know a couple of students that landed US gigs at my uni out west

2 or 3 landed HFT roles, some google, some microsoft, certainly not impossible but quite hard

[fickle juniper]

ubc?

or west like Alberta?

[plush rune]

school doesnt matter

[fickle juniper]

wait wut, aren't we talking about Canada?

[oblique crater]

UofA

[plush rune]

i go to a very crappy school and i know 2-3 ppl who got into the US

anything is possible if u grind

[fickle juniper]

uofa campus is actually pretty sick

unfortunate that it's covered in snow most of the year

[oblique crater]

campus is A+, weather is F

[untold nebula]

Facts

[lucid berry]

school don't really matter, yeah

I know a few people who got internships in the US, not unheard of

[steel escarp]

Ye schools dont matter

I matter

[storm stream]

School matters come on guys... Targetting/prestige is a thing

However doesn't mean it's impossible for the "other" schools ✨✨

I was snooping around LinkedIn and found this absolutely CRACKED girl from UofCalgary

I was astonished

Coinbase/Google/MS internships 🎇🎇🎇

[placid dawn]

schools matter but only the top top

else its all equal

[worn moss]

What r the “top top” in Ontario

Is it just uoft and uw

?

[placid dawn]

No idea

[oblique crater]

prestige isn’t really a thing in canada

if you’re in the top 5 unis you’re usually more than fine, but even if you’re not it never hinders you in the long run ig

but yeah if you’re applying to us, being from UC Berkeley , MIT or harvard sure helps

[steel escarp]

you're the male version of her 🤣

[storm stream]

Bruhh

🤣🤣

[storm stream]

I'm dog water compared to her

[steel escarp]

amazon -> stripe -> js

thats the plan

[old ferry]

Typically it doesnt matter

experience >>> anything else

[storm stream]

Bro imagine

[fickle juniper]

Solid plan, pretty sure u can do it

Tbh u can probably even skip Amazon LOL

[steel escarp]

too late bro @storm stream already took bananas

it gotta be included in the plan now

[storm stream]

[fickle juniper]

[fickle juniper]

Can I copy your plan except it’s Hub -> Stripe - > JS??

[storm stream]

Yoooo absolutely

You interning at Hub?

[fickle juniper]

Yesir

[storm stream]

Respect

Stripe new grad is OP

Let's go for it

[fickle juniper]

Tyty

[storm stream]

Stripe ng is like ~200K

[steel escarp]

luckily i graduate before you guys

can't fight against cracked ppl

🤣

[storm stream]

[storm stream]

You gonna end up in 2sig and forget about us

I can see it

[steel escarp]

we have only 1 guy at our school in 2sig

do u know that

lol

[fickle juniper]

Remember us when ur in 2sig 🙏

[steel escarp]

LOL idt i can even pass their resume screen with my gpa rn

[storm stream]

when you have snowflake and nuro on your resume who cares about gpa

[steel escarp]

👀 I wish i have snowflake and nuro on my resume 🤣

[storm stream]

Just a matter of time

[steel escarp]

damn i wish dude lool

but but small brain prob wont allow me to have that

[storm stream]

Bro you're high key cracked... just need to get lucky once and you got in the BAG

TRUST

[storm stream]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0aLQRwxIWY

Brooooo... I need this

[old ferry]

ive heard from a few engineers that this leads to extra hours Mon-Thurs and sometimes you need to work Fridays anyway to hit deadlines

But its probably team dependant

[storm stream]

Ya I've heard that too... but that type of crunch is not irregular in a start up

Still the thought that you have Fridays off... friccc

[steel escarp]

Usually oil gas gives u a chill friday

Usually no meeting and laid back

🤣

[storm stream]

Bruh O&G aint it

[oblique crater]

how hard is it to get interviewed for strip newgrad?

i'll have 2 internships by graduation

[placid dawn]

i mean i dont see how u could top applying with 2 internships

if they dont then its a dice

[storm stream]

Not sure tbh... Maybe a referral?

[vivid fiber]

Tbf depends on the internships

Stripe is prob one of the most competitive companies in Canada

I know people with 3 prior internships who didn't get an interview

[storm stream]

Freaking rip

[austere nebula]

lol what?

im literally in a position based in the us

for my internship

i'll reiterate what i've said before there is a huge selection bias with the students who go to UWaterloo, many are the best of the best, i would argue that they would do well in any school that they go to, and that create's a vicious cycle.

If the US posting is on WaterlooWorks it perhaps is easier

but otherwise its fair game for everyone.

[odd trellis]

Are you saying that UW students have trouble landing internships?

[austere nebula]

and how waterloo does set you up is putting you in a culture which encourages building, and getting experience no matter how small or how large

[odd trellis]

Imo they get more opportunity, Waterlooworks might be one of the strongest job boards of any Canadian school

[austere nebula]

you use trouble as the most vague way, it would be impossible for me to answer affirmatively, i can give you anecdotal evidence. i know friends who landed a job on WW in Cycle 1, and i know some that haven't gotten interviews yet

even though they have similar experiences or resumes

depends on the types of jobs you apply to and the need for them.

[austere nebula]

i never disagreed.

[odd trellis]

There's also companies that exclusively hire UW students

[austere nebula]

i would just like to encourage more people to think critically on how their advantage works...

instead of blindly shilling

because thinking the former way may help you get a job if you are not at waterloo (it did for me)

[austere nebula]

that is a rather small subset. but yes

and those are usually waterloo area companies.

[odd trellis]

That's a Faire point

[austere nebula]

:cringepain:

[odd trellis]

I got an internship thankfully
But it was a pain. I almost switched schools

[austere nebula]

the reason why waterloo 3rd years are often able to land us co-ops easier is because they have 2 previous experiences (1st and 2nd year) and then usually a culture that fosters building side projects and practicing

many schools don't have this culture

there is no magic sauce, they are often just simply more qualified candidates.

if you can make yourself equally as appealing i would argue you stand a fair chance.

and actually i wouldn't argue, i would say i know this.

same thing happens on waterloo works lol

i have 2 friends that have gotten 0 interviews from waterloo works

but like 5 - 7 outside

both first years

again like i said depends on the field that u are applying to

one of my friends in ECE got his job cycle 1

bc he was applying to a niche field (firmware dev)

lol ok

i clearly won't change your opinion on this, so i won't go any further.

[odd trellis]

Just send copium bro

[worn moss]

like...?

[odd trellis]

The Faire joke I made after that
But yeah, Faire. And possibly Tesla (remote)

[plush rune]

i can confirm faire. i go to non loo school, recruiter reached out to me, but the min i told her i go to non loo she said ah shit nvm

i know non loo ppl at tesla remote in canada

[worn moss]

nah my friend in carleton landed tesla silicon valley idk if it was remote and faire correct me if im wrong is a waterloo-based company there obviously gonna hire the "locals" when uw isnt much of tech hub, the same thing happens in ottawa with uottawa and carleton and companies like blackberry and nokia

[odd trellis]

Alright I'll update my spreadsheet - I figured this was incorrect anyway

[plush rune]

faire

[tired mica]

Splunk pretty much

[odd trellis]

There's other schools very close by and within Waterloo - I don't think they would consider any of those

[worn moss]

so there saying i should go to laurier

[plush rune]

waterloo region schools ya

[worn moss]

the email says otherwise its just that they prefer "locals"

[austere nebula]

alot of thinks going around

guys use your brains

its one company

there are thousands

[odd trellis]

Where u interning anmol

[plush rune]

ye school literally does not matter. those who say it does are just on cope

[austere nebula]

didn't want to do it to em

[plush rune]

"yeah i go to X company, i couldnt make it to Y because i dont go to waterloo. if i went to waterloo tho yeah i would have gotten in easily"

cope

[austere nebula]

u a g for this LMFAOOO

[odd trellis]

I know 1 guy from this discord that keeps getting rejected from Nvidia

Even with referrals

So random

[austere nebula]

ok?

[plush rune]

LOL bro its the truth

just gotta grind ur ass off

[austere nebula]

ong

[plush rune]

and u shall make the profit

[austere nebula]

ppl be like X is holding me back

when they cant do anything to change X

and just wallow

[plush rune]

factt

[austere nebula]

like bro u got rejected, u failed

it happens

u move on lmfao

[plush rune]

and there are like hundreds of other great companies to try at

literally a numbers game

ur bound to get something if u work hard

[austere nebula]

its luck first

and then execution

[odd trellis]

Would be nice to have better response % lol

[austere nebula]

lots of prepartion beforehand with resumes and side projects.

[plush rune]

very facts

[odd trellis]

This numbers game sucks

[austere nebula]

its a numbers game for everyone

waterloo people often just have less of it than others

i applied to close to 650 roles over 8 months

lets say on average each month has 30 days

[odd trellis]

Jeez
Where did you find 650 roles in Canada

[austere nebula]

for me to make an easy calculation

thats like 2.7 roles a day

but realsitically during early season in oct/nov i applied to 10 companies a day

and in jan i applied to 10-15 a day

[austere nebula]

some companies had multiple roles.

and not in canada only

in the us asw ell

[odd trellis]

Yeah but then you have the problem of work permit

[austere nebula]

companies will sponsor u

nvidia would have given me a j-1 if their offices were not closed this summer

the work permit thing is like practically nothing

it costs like $1200 to file

which is like chump change for most of these companies

[austere nebula]

lmfao what crack are u snorting

ik someone at my school that went to splunk

[tired mica]

Vast majority are UW

[austere nebula]

for canadian schools probably yeah

[tired mica]

Use LinkedIn

This is the Canada chat, no?

[austere nebula]

but again don't make bold statements

like splunk

its reductive.

[odd trellis]

LinkedIn is a pretty good tool to find out which companies hire from which schools
For example, 0 people from my school work at intel

[austere nebula]

splunk has postings on WW afaik

[tired mica]

Lmfao what’s the point of talking in the Canada chat if you have to explicitly say Canada only

[austere nebula]

intel is uoft

i didn't know the semantics mattered so much

[tired mica]

Retarded statement from you ngl

Going to Waterloo helps getting interviews maybe

[austere nebula]

thanks man ❤️

[tired mica]

But it’s not something students from other schools cant overcome

[austere nebula]

what does that even mean

there is like 0 need to worry

[tired mica]

Mostly rng and grinding

[austere nebula]

odds are you will do well in CS

the market is so hot.

its not like other fields (finance for example) where u need to go to the top school to get a decent chance at the top firms exclusively

[tired mica]

Yeah this is one of the best things about CS

[austere nebula]

if you're going to focus on what other schools are doing, focus on what they do well and attempt to cover the gaps in your own application cycle

to give yourself a better chance

instead of just wallowing in self-pity.

[frozen umbra]

Thats the normal process in any job search

Everyone gets that. Just need to focus on something else

[odd trellis]

Oh wow

U of T?

[oblique crater]

dude wtf

I've applied to Intel 3 times, I get insta rejection everytime

[plush rune]

my first ever tech internship interview i got was for intel lol failed it so hard

non uoft

[oblique crater]

waterloo just has the right environment to get grind tech internships and get the best position/experience possible

it's not gonna give you the advantage unless you work your ass off like everyone else

ik people in my school where i'd say >50% don't even get an internship throughout their whole degree that got HFT offers and FAANG offers, they just worked their ass off independently of the school culture

[odd trellis]

Are those new grad offers then?

[oblique crater]

no internships

I'm talking about the top tier students at my uni are still getting the same internships as waterloo, uoft students etc.

[fickle juniper]

I think Stripe probably targets certain schools, ubc has a dedicated recruiter

[oblique crater]

even though the average student here isn't even on the same level and therefore the culture doesn't help with that at all, point is, school name in Canada is only a small factor, which in all fairness might hinder you for some positions, but the main hindering factor is yourself and that's what most people should focus on imo

[fickle juniper]

Splunk hires ubc students too

[oblique crater]

they got so many applications for their internship program this season it's nuts

[fickle juniper]

Honestly guys it’s a lot of luck, ik ppl who got offers at FAANG/HFT didn’t even get an interview at Stripe and vice versa

[odd trellis]

I've seen some LinkedIn internship postings get more applications than the total employee count at the company

[oblique crater]

there's so much luck involved

[plush rune]

nope, i know someone who got stripe offer who went to no name school in BC

for new grad

[fickle juniper]

Ohh icic

[oblique crater]

recruiter might not like your name, your resume, might not be feeling well the day they see your resume, like you just gotta shotgun as many apps as you physically can and hope for the best

until you've got a couple years of experience then it gets significantly easier from what i've heard

[fickle juniper]

The best you can do is keep applying, networking, LCing and hope something hits

[oblique crater]

this is giving me hope

[odd trellis]

But if you decide you're not moving to another country or province, you're pretty much tied to remote postings and anything in the province. Can't exactly send 200 applications then

That's the problem I found

[oblique crater]

well of course, constraining your location and willingness to move will constrain your options of work

that goes for any job in any field

[fickle juniper]

Which province?

U can find 200 postings if ur talking BC or ON I think

Well maybe not 200

But probably like 100

[odd trellis]

200 good postings in ON? Maybe 100 good ones at best

[plush rune]

"good" is subjective lol

[oblique crater]

at that point, it's more beneficial to prioritize quality applications over quantity, getting referrals, preparing specifically for these companies will increase your chances significantly, that's not a good strategy when you're essentially looking for anything in NA

[odd trellis]

Good = pays more than $17/hr 🤣

[fickle juniper]

I think u could probably find 100 ON jobs to apply for that’s >= 17

[odd trellis]

20/hr is pretty common albeit on low end

[fickle juniper]

I mean u could just apply to Amazon and there’s a good chance ull get an OA 😅

[odd trellis]

No OA :(

[fickle juniper]

When did u apply? I got OA on Friday lol after 4 months + referral

So there’s a chance still

[odd trellis]

4 months dang

Applied in Jan

[fickle juniper]

Dang I wish I could gift OAs

[odd trellis]

Got one of those "you're still under consideration" emails the other day

[fickle juniper]

Yeah I got so many of those too

[oblique crater]

yeah it feels like some companies ATS just have a grudge against me

[odd trellis]

They don't like my name smh

[oblique crater]

they don't like my swag

[fickle juniper]

Their loss guise

[oblique crater]

did you get Amazon?

[odd trellis]

Gotta wait for some interns to get pipped, then more positions open up

[fickle juniper]

I just got the OA on fri LOL

[plush rune]

thats pretty late lol

i applied 5 mins after the posting went live in july

got oa in september

[odd trellis]

I'm pretty sure the Canadian posting was not up in September, could be wrong

[plush rune]

it was up july 27 at 5 pm

lol

[odd trellis]

Vancouver Location?

[fickle juniper]

Hahaha

[plush rune]

both

toronto and van

[odd trellis]

Weird, I don't recall seeing it. Oh well

Will there be a fall posting too?

[plush rune]

july 26 nvm

[odd trellis]

That's late bro

[plush rune]

oh yeah i remembver that. it was up in may but there was a bug which didnt let u apply in may

[odd trellis]

Interesting

[plush rune]

july 26 was the first day u could apply

[odd trellis]

When did you get OA?

Oh, September nvm

[plush rune]

ya early-mid sept

[vivid fiber]

This is so true

My school definitely doesn't have this

[hot rapids]

Yeah I agree, Waterloo is the only one I recall in Canada speed running you through internships

[vivid fiber]

The few kids at my school who make side projects and etc are the ones with top-tier internships

[hot rapids]

Most of those ppl who land top companies from there already have 1-2 small 4 months under their belt

[worn moss]

do any schools have a startup culture? ik uw kinda does but like besides uw

[oblique crater]

i honestly can't name another school with a startup culture other than stanford

[delicate sedge]

Uw is wagecuck culture

[steel escarp]

And theres me with no oa

[vivid fiber]

It's just rng

[steel escarp]

Hope my rng will be better for ng

[lucid berry]

Random

Random number generator

[storm stream]

It's not THAT late... Some people apply much later and are still getting OAs in March 😅

[plush rune]

oh nah i meant specifically for amazon

since the dude was saying he didnt get the OA yet

[storm stream]

No ya I mean for Amazon... January isn't bad.

It's still RNG.... Some people applying way back getting their OA in Feb 😅

Amazon has the weirdest process

[tawny zephyr]

hey

has anyone applied for RBC summer student internships 2022

I am studying for it rn and I know it's on DSA but was just looking for difficulty rating from people

[steel escarp]

Amplify is 2 coding questions 1 ez 1 med and system design

And a stupid behav round

[tawny zephyr]

all in 30 mins?

[steel escarp]

Idk the regular one

45 each round

45 or 60 min i think

[tawny zephyr]

whats amplify btw sorry I am new

[tawny zephyr]

I got this from them

[steel escarp]

Uhhh rbc amplify

Oh i didnt get that lol

I got interview for rbc amplify

[tawny zephyr]

oh ok

https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/search/?currentJobId=2942645895&keywords=Innovation Developer%2C Summer Student - RBC High School Labs 2022

yep

just grinding leetcodes (easy) for this

[lament trench]

anyone do the final interview round for shopify data science intern?

what kind of question(s) to expect for the second half of the interview

[worn moss]

shopify has internships other then dev degree?

[lament trench]

yeah for a bunch of roles

[craggy moth]

they had backend and mobile internships too

[lucid berry]

Niiice, you got final round

[lament trench]

yessirr

[lucid berry]

You got this 🙏

[lament trench]

hopefully - if it happens then I gotta defer it or do smth else cant let this slip

[lucid berry]

Definitely renege the co-op offer

Because you can do internships during next summer without the help of co-op anyway

I think

[oblique crater]

depending on your uni that might be a bad idea

[lucid berry]

I mean it's Shopify

The worse that happen at our uni when someone reneged in co-op, he got kicked out of the co-op program, not of school

[oblique crater]

nah he should take the shopify offer but see if you can work with your uni to have that be recognized as coop

[lament trench]

I think its common for a lot of people at this point since companies hand out exploding offers

[oblique crater]

where do you go?

[lucid berry]

In our uni, I think if you have an offer, you only have 24h to accept or refuse

[mental sinew]

That’s a scam

you can’t make a decision that quite

[lament trench]

and u can only reject one offer

[lucid berry]

Yep

[lament trench]

any offer after that is auto accept

[mental sinew]

be like this company is great but I need more time

if not I can’t do it.

[lucid berry]

Too late I think

[mental sinew]

In the future

[oblique crater]

that’s basically the main downside of coop

[storm stream]

You guys, you do you... Screw the universities lining up their pockets with all these meaningless rules

My school for the longest time had a rule that a coop has to be minimum 12 months for it to count

So useless

[lament trench]

nah

[vivid walrus]

hi. im an intl student in vancouver, does anyone know about working in canada -> getting PR -> moving to the US?

would it be easier to work at amazon (my current offer) and request a team move to the US?

[lucid berry]

lmfao wtf

That's insane

[worn moss]

why dont u guys just drop coop(im a high school student btw) like are the job boards really that useful

[vivid fiber]

I'm not doing my school's internship program cause the job board sucks + it has to be a 12month placement

[lucid berry]

I never enrolled in co-op lmao

[steel escarp]

Im an intl so i gotta enroll in coop to get the coop wp

[hasty field]

Getting PR won't qualify you for a TN if that is what you mean
Also if you leave Canada indefinitely you can lose PR which would leave you with nothing

[dreamy holly]

Dang I didn’t know you can lose PR status like that

[hasty field]

https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=1468&top=10

Also I personally think it's a bit disingenuous to get PR just to leave as soon as possible

[frozen umbra]

It deepnds on the program... in UW, any engineering program, you need to pass 5/6 of your programs or else you dont graduate

[austere nebula]

the job boards are more useful if you're a first year student.

otherwise not really that useful

[storm stream]

Co-op is useful especially for your first. But if you're gonna get kicked out for accepting a job offer elsewhere then 100% lookout for yourself

[vivid walrus]

true, i never thought about going to the US and want to stay in canada but i hear how much my friends make in the US and with the housing prices here im not too sure if i want to stay

[hasty field]

That's fair
I'm just saying there's no reason not to get citizenship first even if it takes a few more years
You will be forever Canadian and qualify for the TN
I think that's worth 3 years of less income

[tawny zephyr]

does anybody know of any internships for highschoolers that's near/in toronto or is remote in canada

[craggy moth]

Google CSSI does something like that for high schoolers

I think

But its short

[tawny zephyr]

is it too late?

[tawny zephyr]

I am fine with that

[craggy moth]

not sure

[vivid fiber]

I think Hootsuite allows HS internships but not sure if they're open or closed

[tawny zephyr]

alr

[craggy moth]

https://buildyourfuture.withgoogle.com/programs/computer-science-summer-institute/

[tawny zephyr]

whats hootsuite

[craggy moth]

applications open up next month

[vivid fiber]

A social media company kinda

[vivid fiber]

Ya so ur eligible

[tawny zephyr]

o alr

[tawny zephyr]

I am in hs

[vivid fiber]

It says "intend"

[tawny zephyr]

OHHHH

alr

thanks

@vivid fiber

btw I think all the things closed for hootsuite

[vivid fiber]

unfortunate 😥

[tawny zephyr]

thanks for this I submitted the interest form

[tawny zephyr]

yep but it's a good thing to note for next year

[vivid fiber]

u can also try applyin to local/smaller companies, which will prob b more open to givin hs students internships

[tawny zephyr]

yeah but I am new to this area

do yk how to find em?

[vivid fiber]

LinkedIn + Glassdoor

I find Glassdoor esp good for smaller companies

[tawny zephyr]

I see

thanks

I am going to look into that

I did not know about the google thing so that was really helpful

[vivid fiber]

anotha tip 4 smalr companis is 2 email/dm recruiters

they're much mor likely to respon than thos from big tech companis

[tawny zephyr]

do you find the name of the company and search recruiters for their company?

[craggy moth]

co-op terms are mandatory ?

[vivid fiber]

The word co-op doesn't mean anything

With Digital Ocean on ur resume you'll be chillin fr

R u a 2nd yr?

I c, so next yr is new grad for u

Imo a 16month internship is never worth, unless u can get a top-tier company (and even then I don't think it's worth)

Hmmm, not sure honestly

[tawny zephyr]

got it

I will look into that

POG

alr thanks

[storm stream]

If anyone is in Calgary Benevity posted their coop position recently

[tawny zephyr]

does anyone know how to find good employers for high schoolers

@tough cipher I applied to it

if you dont mind can u look at my resume and see if its good enough for it?

got it

@tough cipher

sent it in resume

[tawny zephyr]

Does anybody have any tips on how to get a co-op in hs with big companies like etsy or shopify?

[oblique crater]

you can work 4 months during the summer without a coop work permit in Canada

it should say that on your study permit

I tried applying for coop jobs in 2nd and 3rd year, my school's job board is very mid so I started looking for 4 month summer only, got one last summer and im finalizing my search for this summer for another 4 month one, no coop work permit needed, even though I did get one just in case I needed it

[serene narwhal]

i’m just using it for my first internship. although the portal at my school is ass i think it’s decent for a first internship

[oblique crater]

yeah that's the major drawback, definitely still doable and you can still do extremely well

[vivid walrus]

damn

[novel dome]

fck the coop system

[novel dome]

jesus fck

[tawny zephyr]

wait deadass?

I am in hs tho

and on my student permit it says "cannot engage in employment unless authorized"

I am fighting for my coop work permit from my school

[oblique crater]

yeah hs study permits are not the same as university study permits

[tawny zephyr]

so can i do it or not?

just confused bout that

[oblique crater]

if it says you can't on your study permit then you can't

mine explicity says I can work fulltime in the summer

[tawny zephyr]

it says and i quote “cannot engage in employment unless authorized”

thats why i am fighting my school for a coop work permit

[oblique crater]

gotta wait for that then

[tawny zephyr]

yeah

@oblique crater but do you have any recommendations?

[oblique crater]

for what?

[tawny zephyr]

co-op

during school year

hs

[oblique crater]

never been in that situation man, honestly, I'd say be patient

[tawny zephyr]

alr

[oblique crater]

like not getting an internship in hs is totally fine

a lot of companies won't hire you purely because you're not 3rd or 4th year

even if you have the best experience possible

[tawny zephyr]

ic

[oblique crater]

I know a 1st year in my uni with tons of experience with blockchain development and very nice and difficult areas of development, it's still a struggle to find internships for him just because of his graduation date

if you get into competitive programming, or just leetcode 1 problem a day, you'll be so far ahead of everyone else

[tawny zephyr]

got it

[oblique crater]

enjoy hs too bruh, 12th grade is fun as fuck in Canada from what i've gathered

do dumb shit, have some cool stories, once you start uni get on your grindset and sky's the limit

[tawny zephyr]

I will

and what's so special about gr 12

in canada

[oblique crater]

well ig this depends on your hs and circle, but lots of people don't further their education formally past that

ie: don't go to uni, so a lot of people in your class will just have regular ol' jobs after this, this is a time where you're free, it's low pressure, perfect combination to have fun

[tawny zephyr]

ic

[oblique crater]

many of your classmates are probably 18, so alcohol, but ik in ontario that's 19

still it's not like people don't underage drink here

[tawny zephyr]

ic

ty

[oblique crater]

np

[zinc basin]

How is air miles as a company?

[tawny zephyr]

I dunno

[zinc basin]

air miles is same as loyalty one

[oblique crater]

I'm not against that, I'm just saying obsessing over internships in g12 is not the move, getting into competitive programming or doing a daily lc ensures he's 95% ahead of everyone but still not spending 14 hours on this shit when most of it will be wasted because he's just not gonna qualify for so many things yet

[tawny zephyr]

I am not in g12 btw

and I am doing 1 lc everyday 👍

[craggy moth]

Pretty sure hes in like grade 9-10 lol

[warm portal]

Stride cad new grad is 270

[zinc basin]

Wow! Stride Inc?

[storm stream]

He probably means Stripe 😅

[tawny zephyr]

wish pays well?

surprising

[zinc basin]

That would make a lot more sense lol

[oblique crater]

anybody know someone with a strip ng offer? I want to know what it takes lol

[tired mica]

Yeah my mentor at my school got one

He started coding when he was 10, had three internships already, and a few published papers

[zinc basin]

where those faang internships?

[tired mica]

Nope, 1 government and 2 at a decent company but not FAANG tier

[raw crystal]

anyone know how one gets an instacart new grad position? I dnt ever recall seeing a posting for it

[rocky pendant]

hey anyone know what atlassian tc is for new grads?

i have a feeling the recruiter lied to me

and theres not much info available on the internet about canada comp

[oblique crater]

what did they say?

[oblique crater]

welp, that 's a high bar to beat

[rocky pendant]

he said a) they don't negotiate new grad salary and b) the number he gave me was like, insultingly low for base + bonus

its a decent amount of stock but the europeans are at war again so who knows what the stock will be worth in a years time

[oblique crater]

newgrad being non negotiable is odd, amazon and meta do that so it's not unheard of

but giving you a low offer might just mean they're lowballing you, if you have other offers that are higher, let them know and see if they shift their attitude

[rocky pendant]

yeah i do have an offer that's more and i told him about it

and he just continued with the "yeah we dont negotiate" line

i dont mind location based pay but like, they pay everyone in canada the same

which is scam

if we're doing location based, me, who lives in toronto, should certainly make more than someone in like manitoba

[oblique crater]

yeah lol they're dumb for that

just go with your bigger offer tbh

or move to manitoba

[steel escarp]

Bruh why not new foundland 👀

[frozen umbra]

What was the offer

[zinc basin]

I heard you have to wait like 8 years there to get a doctor's appointment lol

[steel escarp]

Thats kinda sadge 🤣

[wary remnant]

Can anyone provide colour on Toronto PSG work-life-balance?

[idle cobalt]

Toronto PSG ? What’s that ?

[wary remnant]

Whoops! Intel PSG (Altera) in Toronto

[errant wraith]

In my mind, PSG is a soccer team in Paris, where Messi and Neymar play lol

[novel dome]

PSG is a dog shit soccer team in Paris*

[zinc basin]

facts...bottlers lmao

[novel dome]

all i wanted was a oil vs oil game

but nah

[odd trellis]

any canadian non-uni college students about to get impacted by the strike?

and if so, do you anticipate any impact to your co-op placement?

[zinc basin]

haha

[zinc basin]

what strike?

[odd trellis]

oh i completely forgot to clarify - its only colleges in Ontario that are affected

[zinc basin]

ah

[odd trellis]

basically theres a faculty strike and it impacts maybe 20-something schools (not universities)

[zinc basin]

I see

btw are there international students here who have applied for the co-op work permit for the summer and are freaking out seeing the processing times? a friend of mine is pretty worried

[odd trellis]

not an int'l student, but i remember my co-op advisor telling int'l students back in 1st year that getting into the co-op program requires a work permit they should obtain in advance

[zinc basin]

right. I think my friend applied around jan for the summer but the processing time is over 120 days lol

[gloomy nymph]

Kanada

[plucky zodiac]

nothing will ever beat my coop work permit processing time

applied January 2021, received permit November 2021

💀

internship got cut short as a result

[oblique crater]

damn wtf that's wild

I got mine in less than 2 months iirc

[gloomy nymph]

Kanada

It’s the same shit as the US

[plucky zodiac]

no way bruh

well at least u have maintained status

[gloomy nymph]

It all depends when ur permit expires

[plucky zodiac]

christ

[gloomy nymph]

F

[plucky zodiac]

hope it works out man, covid really bottlenecked the processing times

kinda scared cos i gotta get my PGWP soon

[gloomy nymph]

Then if u graduate in may it shouldn’t really matter

Mine expires in July as well

[plucky zodiac]

yea same

[gloomy nymph]

But I don’t want to stay in this third world disguised as first world country

Lmfao

Why tf are they taking so long

Fucking bureaucrats

I think I applied for mine when the pandemic was in full blast

And got my extension like 30 days after

So it’s really weird

Why tf is Kanada taking so long

[zinc basin]

damn! Did your company wait for you for that long to start?

[sudden plaza]

fr canadas processing times are frustrating

[tawny zephyr]

ong bru

I waited outside service canada for 6 hours just to be turned down because the office closed

and then I came back the next day I waited for another 4 and got in

[mental sinew]

@tawny zephyr ok Canada

[tawny zephyr]

@mental sinew

hi

I havent seen you in a while

[mental sinew]

I’ve been out for two days

wdym SEEN for a while

[tawny zephyr]

miss you ;(

[tawny zephyr]

[mental sinew]

[zinc basin]

did you do flag polling?

[plucky zodiac]

i worked throughout summer since im allowed to, but internationals cant work full time during a school semester

so 16 months became 4

[zinc basin]

damn bro that is rough. sorry to hear that
It is crazy how fucked up canadian immigration is

[plucky zodiac]

ikr, had to enroll in courses last minute too

[tawny zephyr]

whats that

[plucky zodiac]

but no regrets honestly

[plucky zodiac]

when u cross the border and cross back

to maintain status

[tawny zephyr]

no

[zinc basin]

and I have heard that you can also get the permit same day

[plucky zodiac]

oh rlly?

[zinc basin]

ye

[gloomy nymph]

Kanada

[lament trench]

did my shopify final round interview a couple of days ago and got an email today to submit references and to expect a call in the next week. Anyone else had this happen to them? is this a good sign?

[vivid fiber]

Hasn't happened to me, but it seems like a very good sign

[eager elk]

This should mean you got the offer!

The call is going to be a verbal offer

[lament trench]

the edit

[eager elk]

Hahaha i edited because it can depend a bit on position. Im a current intern there. What position did you interview for?

[lament trench]

Data science intern

wbu?

[eager elk]

Mobile developer
Not 100% sure about data science but they asked for my references and schedule a call and the call was a verbal offer

[lament trench]

was the email from Jazzmien Brown?

[eager elk]

Nope, every position has different recruiters

[lament trench]

arytt hopefully its the same process tho where phone call = verbal offer

thanks!

[lament trench]

also are u enrolled in a co-op program? does shopify require its interns to be enrolled in one?

[eager elk]

Yes i am, but Shopify doesn't require it afaik

[vivid walrus]

wait fuck

how is pgwp taking so long

what

im graduating may 2022, gonna apply for pgwp as soon as my proof of graduation is available - but I'll also be out of the country

[vivid fiber]

What'd pgwp?

[vivid walrus]

post-grad work permit for intl students

[lucid berry]

👀

[lament trench]

[lucid berry]

Not going to say anything yet because I don't want to jinx it

[oblique crater]

references usually means you got the offer, congrats bro

plus the fact they’re scheduling a call, after final round, if they didn’t want you they’d just email

[oblique crater]

how much is shopify paying if you don't mind me asking?

yo that’s pretty damn good for Canada, I should’ve applied, I was too lazy to do that project that was part of the application process

[pseudo notch]

Getting 80k/year +10 k bonus in toronto. Feeling not competitive :((

[oblique crater]

get some experience then apply to better companies

[zinc basin]

Is this FT offer or are you calculating yearly salary from intern rate?

[elder hamlet]

bro i got the exact same offer 37.02

[hasty field]

I like the extra $0.02 lol

[placid dawn]

did u have to do that first take home assignment

build front or back end

[vivid fiber]

I believe all engineering intern positions require a take-home project

[placid dawn]

wym

amazon etc dont ask

[vivid fiber]

I meant engineering positions at Shopify, mb

[placid dawn]

ah yes I noticed

I was too lazy to do

[storm stream]

I did one and got ghosted... Major regret 😩

[cinder minnow]

Anyone know when Shopify typically hires for interns?

Is it year round?

This offer sounds sweet, will definitely give it a try next time

[oblique crater]

I think they have fall and summer, don't remember seeing a winter posting but I might be wrong

[lucid berry]

There's winter too

[cinder minnow]

This summer I'm gonna go hard for applying for fall positions, imma mark shopify down

[empty oxide]

Anyone making 6 figure from their job here?

[frozen umbra]

Wdym? Like 6 figures in Canada?

[empty oxide]

Especially in Canada

[frozen umbra]

My friends at google and Amazon are making 6 figures in Canada

[vivid fiber]

Check levels.fyi

[empty oxide]

How many years of experience before they got to that level?

[empty oxide]

A website?

[frozen umbra]

Literally new grad

[empty oxide]

Damn…must have worked hard in CS

Where did they graduate from?

[frozen umbra]

One of the top unis in Canada

I mean we still haven’t graduated yet

We’re graduating in like 2 months

[empty oxide]

Waterloo?

[frozen umbra]

Would prefer to not answer to not dox

[empty oxide]

Got u

[frozen umbra]

But basically as long as you get into a faang/big company, you’ll be getting 6 figures as a new grad

[fickle juniper]

Honestly most ppl I know with new grad offers this yr are making 6figs, some over 200k, all based in Canada

To be fair, a lot of Amazon haha

[frozen umbra]

Yeah Amazon was hiring a lot lmao

[fickle juniper]

I don’t think I know a single person who didn’t get Amazon OA for intern/new grad this yr, most ended up with offers

[deep vortex]

praying they do that again for next summer

[frozen umbra]

Oh, I didn’t get a new grad OA, ;>

But I got meta so whatever

[fickle juniper]

Lol way better haha

Are u based in Canada for Meta?

[frozen umbra]

Gonna be in Bay Area

[fickle juniper]

Ohhh nice, do u happen to know what the comp is for Canada?

[frozen umbra]

So… from what I heard it was 92k cad base, 20k signing, and 120k usd stock. But that could be the remote in Canada one. So I’m not 100% sure

[fickle juniper]

Wow that’s not great tbh

[lucid berry]

For Canada?

[fickle juniper]

I mean compared to like Amazon/Apple in Vancouver

[frozen umbra]

Yeah not the best, but it’s still decent for a new grad here in Canada

[lucid berry]

That's not great

[frozen umbra]

Once again, it might just be the remote version. Someone who got Toronto offer might know better

[steel escarp]

U know me 🤣

[fickle juniper]

Oh wha? My b LOL

I assumed u got it ngl

[steel escarp]

Yo i feel kinda special now

One of a kind lool

[fickle juniper]

I can maybe five u mine LOL

Give*

[steel escarp]

🤣

[fickle juniper]

I got it like a week ago, don’t think I’m going to do it

I think they’re still sending it

[steel escarp]

Ik dozen of ppl who didnt get amazon interview/oa with at least 3 prior exp

Its rng

[fickle juniper]

True true

I think they send out a lot to ubc students maybe? That’s probably why I thought pretty much everyone got it

[steel escarp]

Ye maybe lool

[frozen umbra]

They sent it to a lot of uw and uoft students

I’m just an exception ;<

[lucid berry]

They sent a bunch at my uni too

[willow patrol]

hey guys, got a question about internship to full time conversion. would you take a back-end role with lower tc vs front-end role with higher tc?

[lucid berry]

Really depends

I would take the front end role because I don't mind front end but someone who hates backend might take lower tc for backend role

[hot rapids]

Do you guys know which places typically offer Jan/winter internships?

[tawny zephyr]

I am looking for co-ops rn

if you guys know any big companies in sauga

please lmk

[rocky pendant]

i did my first coop at bombardier aerospace i think they have a sauga office

pay was dog but great experience

[wind escarp]

guys i am interviewing for ML engineer for meta for toronto office. Can someone guide me how should i prepare for it,like what resources i should take and all

[tawny zephyr]

high school?

[rocky pendant]

second yr uni man come on have some respect 😦

[tawny zephyr]

lmao mb

do yk any hs co-ops?

[rocky pendant]

oh are you in hs?

[tawny zephyr]

yea

[rocky pendant]

oh no idk any unfortunately

[tawny zephyr]

F alr

[random goblet]

what grade r u

[tawny zephyr]

going into 11

[random goblet]

are you willing to work for free

[tawny zephyr]

as long as it is at a good company

[random goblet]

the best you can do is a startup rn

without having direct family in a bigger company

for a software role

what province btw

[tawny zephyr]

ontario

near toronto

[tawny zephyr]

i have a good resume for a hs

[tawny zephyr]

i have connections in bigger companies but like FAANG

not many big companies but not big big

[random goblet]

any established company won’t care unless the have a dedicated hs intern program

[tawny zephyr]

yeah so i am asking do yk any that do?

[random goblet]

ibm

but they r prob looking for seniors

[tawny zephyr]

do you mind looking at my resume?

[random goblet]

sure

[tawny zephyr]

1 second

@random goblet

i think if i add/change a couple more things i have a good chance

[random goblet]

your best shot here is the FTC entry

[tawny zephyr]

what’s that?

[random goblet]

oops

frc

not ftc

[tawny zephyr]

frc entry?

[random goblet]

the frc experience

[tawny zephyr]

oh

[random goblet]

I would prioritize that over everything else you have

[tawny zephyr]

thats very short 😐

[random goblet]

if you have impact on the team

like a core programming member

[tawny zephyr]

i am not this year because i just joined

i just moved like a month ago

[random goblet]

did you learn about how the PID system and control loops, events and stuff?

ah ok

[tawny zephyr]

nope

i am one of the programmers but i am relatively new

[random goblet]

yeah honestly I would focus all my energy into that if I were you

in the years to come

[tawny zephyr]

i see

what else can i do?

i have done 2 hackathons placed pretty well for both

[random goblet]

the writing can use some polishing

[tawny zephyr]

taught coding to kids but i dont think they care

[tawny zephyr]

yeah thats not my final one like for the projects i can edit that a bit

[random goblet]

yep

put the hackathons under projects

and prioritize the project you worked on rather than the hackathon itself

and add the award in a single line if you got one

[tawny zephyr]

what award?

[random goblet]

from the hackathons

[tawny zephyr]

I mean I was first place in statewide UCMAS competition but thats all

[tawny zephyr]

they just gave certificates and giftcards

like I got $50 bucks from Superstacks

[random goblet]

right then I would omit that

[tawny zephyr]

and $100 from civic

[random goblet]

take a look at your position from a high level right now

[tawny zephyr]

mhm

[random goblet]

cause I used to be in your shoes a few years ago

basically companies have no incentive to hire you

even if you feel that you can provide value

they have nothing to base you off of

especially that you aren’t in a dedicated uni program

usually universities do the “vetting” work for the company

[tawny zephyr]

so what would you suggest do

would my figgy project do anything?

[random goblet]

getting accepted into a decent uni is usually a good indicator

[random goblet]

see that’s the hard part

usually for you to be solely chosen based on your resume as a hs student

you need something crazy

but you have two other things you can control

[tawny zephyr]

i have no problem doing technical interviews

i am/can study for those

[random goblet]

no no, you’re missing my point here

first off, you probably won’t be hit with a technical interview in hs

[tawny zephyr]

RBC did it 😭

not a technical interview but an OA

[random goblet]

yeah that’s a specialized hs role

I am assuming you are looking for companies not actively looking for hs students right?

cause the pool that are is extremely minimal

[tawny zephyr]

yeah

[tawny zephyr]

not exactly

i am trying to get a co-op with any recognizable company

and most of those arent looking for hs

so kind of yeah

[random goblet]

right

[tawny zephyr]

yesh

if you were in my position what would you do

[random goblet]

in that case you are limited to companies who specifically hire for hs students

[tawny zephyr]

yeah

[random goblet]

I would have already applied to all the publicly hs positions

and on top of that

search between the lines

w/ startups and working with universities

not actively advertised positions

but they are looking for help

[tawny zephyr]

my co-op office told me not to worry about it since we will talk about this in april

[random goblet]

right yeah I have no idea about ontario hs coops

im from alberta

[tawny zephyr]

i see

[random goblet]

we had no positions like that

[tawny zephyr]

what would you do to improve my resume for IBM?

[random goblet]

I had to find mine through connections

[tawny zephyr]

i see

[random goblet]

ibm is only hiring seniors

but until then

I would focus on FRC work

and getting deep and dirty with the hardware software integration

ik with frc you have more control in that regard

[tawny zephyr]

i see

what about applyingfor gr 11

[random goblet]

no idea what opportunities are out there for ontario ppl

[tawny zephyr]

i see

[random goblet]

like the rbc position wasn’t available to me

so idk about those

[tawny zephyr]

its a summer program

not co-op

[random goblet]

if you want advice abt finding external between the lines then sure

[tawny zephyr]

but yeah

[tawny zephyr]

i see

i applied for rbc for summer

ibm*

if i get any further and make connections there

that might help

[random goblet]

right

[tawny zephyr]

yeah

but i probably wont get any further

@random goblet i have another bot that has over 200k+ users

i didnt mention it cuz i am a developer

not owner

[random goblet]

nice

[tawny zephyr]

should i mention that?

[random goblet]

if you phrase it properly, yea

[tawny zephyr]

how?

and in addition to my bot?

or replacing it

[craggy moth]

Recruiters love seeing numbers, the bot could be a good addition to your resume

[tawny zephyr]

i see

i didnt add it because i didnt own the bot

[craggy moth]

You dont have to say you're the owner or not, just say you worked on this and it has 200k+ users

[tawny zephyr]

I see

[craggy moth]

dont undersell yourself

[tawny zephyr]

i am going to add another one of my projects i am working on

[craggy moth]

because most of the time they never look into your projects

[tawny zephyr]

yeah

but i wanna be fair

because someone else who might be working harder and is being honest might be more qualified

[craggy moth]

you technically wouldnt be lying, you're just saying you worked on this bot and it has this many active users

[tawny zephyr]

i am not saying i am not honest

[tawny zephyr]

i see

[craggy moth]

it shows its an important project and it helps actual people

most peoples projects never get used

[tawny zephyr]

i see

i think i am going to keep my figgy one

and then add a different one

trailbuddies

an app for ios and android

because if the number is too high recruiters might think i am lying

and 50k is high enough

[craggy moth]

yea 50k is really good, I would write 50,000+ users instead

[tawny zephyr]

got it

[craggy moth]

and instead of peak, you can maybe write "in the first 3 months" or whenever your app peeked

or I think its a bot

[tawny zephyr]

ueah

yeah

i will thanks!

[steel escarp]

uhhh what would u lie about your accomplishment lol

if u actually had 100,00k users then its actually awesome

u should mention the number

and even if ur not the owner of the bot then it still doesn't matter

as long as u took part in the development of the bot then ur good

[tawny zephyr]

got it

[empty oxide]

Why are you getting a job if you have something with 50k users

[lucid berry]

Because it's a bot

[empty oxide]

Any thoughts?

[oblique crater]

so cringy, look at the last line "if you want to learn how to build the skills, attention, trust, ..." i'll continue that for you "of your customers, which are mainly going to be friends and family that stop talking to you, then buy my course for a measly $999!! i'll setup a 4 minute call with you and then you're on your own from there! what a fantastic deal am I right"

[empty oxide]

The person who posted that makes 5mil/year so it must be working right? Lolll

[mental sinew]

Sounds like a scam

this is just part of it

so gullible

You can do this yourself for free, if you put in the time yourself lmao

[oblique crater]

here's the thing, social media used to be pure luck, now, some creators like MrBeast have data driven approaches to the best thumbnails, titles etc. which play into the algorithm, I just don't like the whole business model and think it's disingenious to just prey on gullible individuals to buy your course, book, mobile app subscription etc.

[lucid berry]

Try it and come back to tell us the results

[mental sinew]

This

[lucid berry]

Seems like you already made up your mind so just do it

[oblique crater]

and like the giga amount of shitty 5-10k followers influencers that make nothing compared to the whales, it's just like working in industry if not worse

[empty oxide]

Yeah this is the usual path of online course sellers: build a skill that solves a problem, solve a problem, build a course how you solved that problem and sell the course.

Courses are more profitable because you just have to do marketing. Fulfilment is just bunch of course videos

[oblique crater]

imagine paying for a course from a college dropout Instagram influencer when there are MIT lectures online for free

writing a blog does not require a $60 a month course on whatever website bruh just go look up a free YouTube video and spend the time to learn all of this by yourself

creators take advantage of the fact that the average person wants an easy way into everything, a "lifehack" method of increasing your income, status etc.

[tawny zephyr]

my courses for next year

[austere nebula]

jesus hs sophomores in this server and I thought I was intense

[austere nebula]

If u can take both ICS’s concurrently

[tawny zephyr]

yeah I can

1st sem then 2nd

[austere nebula]

no

take them like both in 1 sem

ics3u is like useless

or was at my school

[tawny zephyr]

I cant

it's a prerequesitie for ICS

[austere nebula]

yeah at our school we were just able to beg our counsellors to let us sometimes

lmfao

[tawny zephyr]

I can try

shes nice but she probs wont budge

[tawny zephyr]

yeah it is

[austere nebula]

yeah not a requirement

[tawny zephyr]

Its good to have a break period

[austere nebula]

it will just let u have an easier sem

for one

[tawny zephyr]

cuz I have hard classes sem 1

[austere nebula]

bc french is also kinda free

bc if u can have co-op with calc and french

thats a good combination

or calc and physics with co-op

and then have french + adv + 2 cs

[tawny zephyr]

ehh

not rlly in our school

there's 3 teachers

1 is free another one is hell