canada

[tough knot]

fuck Waterloo

[dreamy patio]

did amazon start hiring new grad software eng for this cycle?

and what about google?

when they gonna hire new grad this year

?

[safe light]

loo

[severe arrow]

internship at 41 is diabolical

[graceful kayak]

41

67

[safe light]

husband should have gone to loo

[crystal comet]

41 and 33 is crazy

she's still a child 💔

[severe arrow]

33???

closer to a fossil

I joke

[graceful kayak]

loo

[unreal field]

Get in line, i (an inclined intern) am waiting for my ng offer

[graceful kayak]

hook a brother up 🥹

hook me up with hrt or citadel twin

light work for u

[unreal field]

if u went to loo u would’ve had

[graceful kayak]

💔

[torpid cobalt]

Anyone try Prep Ai/Sprout?

[dreamy patio]

when was your interview?

[queen anvil]

Chat has anyone gotten shopify interview yet?

[safe light]

Loo only

I’m not even kidding

Their loo quota is 50%

If your a loo intern with 0 experience you will get it

[turbid island]

ye

[unreal field]

shopify_job = True if person.university is 'loo' else False

[inner trench]

grats on loo

[turbid island]

i hate loo

grats on citadel

grats on slaving for the rest of ur life

@inner trench can u refer me tho

[hardy trench]

winter?

[inner trench]

yes, and to everybody else reading this: for further referrals to citadel, please dm @turbid island

[turbid island]

yeah

[hardy trench]

dam

guess the loo statement was true

[turbid island]

i aint loo cuh

[hardy trench]

oh dam where then

[turbid island]

laurier

[hardy trench]

damm

what yr r u

[inner trench]

loo

he’s double deg

[queen anvil]

I know a 4x Shopify intern from McMaster

Serial Shopify Software shyt

Call that SSSS

[queen anvil]

Nice what year are you

[graceful kayak]

cs bba

[safe light]

If he was loo he’d be 10x Shopify intern

Tbh though at 4x they should call u senior intern at that point

You should lead the other interns

[queen anvil]

Idk if Shopify does this for all their interns but they flew bro out from Ottawa to Montreal for a work thing

He's ML eng

He was at Apple last year as well, but decided to return to Ottawa for family and WLB

[eager imp]

are there any good winter 2026 internships in toronto?

lowkey haven’t seen much 🥲

[queen anvil]

Facts, I've only seen Shopify

Also Coalition

[eager imp]

fr

hoping for intuit

maybe robinhood

[unreal field]

shopify

[eager imp]

💀

[unreal field]

rbc

[eager imp]

i meant like fringe bigtech

😭

[unreal field]

ws

[eager imp]

1password might be the move lowkey

except they reject me every time bro idk why 😭

[orchid crag]

anyone done roblox💀

ng

[queen anvil]

Robinhood gets reneged on a ton cause people think they'll pay like they do in the US but its only 33 CAD/h in Toronto

[inner trench]

ws has loo quota

[unreal field]

who doesnt

https://tenor.com/view/boo-gif-19787475173016375

user error

[inner trench]

yup this guy is loo

see this is why the loo quota exists

my fault

[unreal field]

found the shopify employee

guess why @inner trench

[turbid island]

they dont want the goat to prevail

[inner trench]

loo

[unreal field]

i went to the better ecom company anyways🥀

[turbid island]

rbc?

[unreal field]

the brazil rainforest

[inner trench]

loo

[turbid island]

water

[inner trench]

this is crazy 😂😂😂

[unreal field]

no job processes, no hinge processes

cooked

[inner trench]

unemployed and chopped 💔

twin

[graceful kayak]

is robinhood and ws out?

[hardy trench]

No

[analog current]

they been out

[graceful kayak]

why r u trolling

not cool gng

[torpid cobalt]

how many interns does shopify hire?

[unreal field]

1000

998 are loo

[queen anvil]

Idk but bare if word on the street is to be believed

[torpid cobalt]

loll, market is cooked

any hackathons coming up in ontario?

i go to mac, im thinking of doing one

[crystal comet]

200-300 per season

[unreal field]

loo

[unreal field]

are u still a shopifolk

[crystal comet]

no more

8 months compete last friday

now i'm epic games bound inshallah

[unreal field]

fr?

[lethal hawk]

Is this the case now or not anymore

Ik in 2025 they did 1k interns but like I don’t think they doing that again

[crystal comet]

dunno i didn't check internal chatter for next winter

but i wouldn't be surprised if they're doing it again

my understanding is they want all new grad hires to be through intern ROs

[lethal hawk]

Do u think it’s been beneficial for them

I feel like they’d be promoting it by now if they were dojng it again

[lethal hawk]

Obviously to some degree it was but like idk if they plan on hiring 1k again

[crystal comet]

i think it's been pretty successful yeah

they managed to bag me for two semesters so seems very successful imo

[unreal field]

I saw they doing it for 2026 too

The 1k part

[lethal hawk]

What where did they say that

[unreal field]

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dayvson_shopifyinternship-engineering-techcareers-activity-7364076368839462912-dOjD

[crystal comet]

oh sick

[ivory pond]

[junior hazel]

yo W

[crystal comet]

not w yet

just have to get interview, pass interview, pass second interview, pass third interview, get offer

[junior hazel]

oh shit

i thought “epic games bound” ment offer secured

mb

[crystal comet]

basically secured

only technicalities remaining

[queen anvil]

Guys

What are y'alls approximate non-auto OA rate and interview rate

I had 4 interview for 200 applications last year

And 1 interview for 430+ applications the year before that (still recovering from that trauma😔)

And 1 interview for 70 applications the first year I started applying

[analog current]

lightskin chick first flight from poland

[safe light]

for intern that's good

[rare shuttle]

Rookie numbers lil bro

[queen anvil]

I’m tryna find out what a good or average interview rate is

[hardy trench]

r u loo

[queen anvil]

Cause I always feel behind

[queen anvil]

Does the interciew rate oust me as loo?

[unreal field]

yes

you get interview for everything u apply to iff loo

[queen anvil]

I am not loo though

I am McMaster😔
I must shamefully select “other” when specifying university

[unreal field]

congrats on tesla target school

[queen anvil]

Oh yeah, we got that going for us😎

[severe arrow]

~2%

[swift kernel]

yea i can confirm

[queen anvil]

1 in 50, ok nice. What year are you and loo?

[severe arrow]

graduated and no

[hardy trench]

wait Mac is Tesla target

wtf

I go to Mac and I didn’t even know

[honest turret]

How cooked is Microsoft online technical screen if any1 done it before

[queen anvil]

Our head of co-op used to be one Jesse Sahota, who somehow made a lot of in-roads with Tesla. He quit McMaster and joined Tesla, and then a while ago got laid off. Still, his legacy remains and Tesla comes to our Hatch garage every year with their cars and recruiters.

[hardy trench]

What a goat

[queen anvil]

Now we have some ladies that start crying on call with you if you try to renege the shit out of Kinaxis for IBM

[hardy trench]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[queen anvil]

(real story)

[hardy trench]

bro I swear the advice the co op board gives for Mac is so out dated

[queen anvil]

Genuinely yeah, they don’t know that in this day and age, you need the Loo Grindset™️ to secure the W

[hardy trench]

I’ve heard they make u pay like $400 for coops if you register

[hardy trench]

Fr I’ve been pretending I’m in loo

and it’s gotten me far

[queen anvil]

They do, thats why I never told McMaster about my past two co-ops

[hardy trench]

Yeah that’s smart

U in swe or cs?

[queen anvil]

SE + BME

[hardy trench]

That’s cooked

I’m cs

[queen anvil]

Well, you’re getting pretty much the same education as me for half the price

[hardy trench]

yes

Ur profs r much better tho

They prioritize the Eng students education over cs

They give us the shitty profs

[queen anvil]

Look up professor Sebastien Mosser’s twitter

This guy writes fan fiction about himself

[hardy trench]

Oh naaa

What class

[queen anvil]

A real paraphrased example of one of his tweets:

“I walked up to the faculty meeting and the greeter said “oh sorry you must be mistaken, this is for faculty only not students”

I said “Oh sorry tou must be mistaken, i am the chair of the biggest faculty in the department””

Mind you this guy has a graying mini mohawk and in no way looks like a student

[hardy trench]

🤣🤣🤣

thank god he’s a se teacher not a cs teacher

Hopefully he doesn’t get demoted to teaching cs

[queen anvil]

https://x.com/petitroll/status/1823373042069692811?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

[queen anvil]

I’m not sure if you guys have 12 months of back to back co-op built into your schedules, but you can always take a year off and do co-op behind McMaster’s back

[severe arrow]

this is what i did lol

but not in a co-op program anyways

[hardy trench]

We’re in the same faculty so I think we should

[hardy trench]

Bro this is insane

[unreal field]

This what I doing

Not at mac but yeah

[severe arrow]

fake

[unreal field]

Ok

[queen anvil]

I will say, his history at IBM makes him sound like a particular Mac man I know😳…

[unreal field]

My history?

[queen anvil]

Tbf, he once told us in lecture that he wanted to be a snowboarder but crashed into a tree whilst snowboarding and then got a PhD in software engineering

[severe arrow]

the prof?

[queen anvil]

Yeah

[severe arrow]

goated prof

[queen anvil]

And avoid Jelle Hellings like the plague, he will begin the first lecture of every course bragging about how many people he failed last term

[severe arrow]

I alrdy graduated lol

[queen anvil]

then he will tell you he is a disciple of a disciple of dijkstra’s

[severe arrow]

also was in math/cs so probably different course load

[queen anvil]

Sorry no, nulname

[queen anvil]

Yuh

[severe arrow]

oh

we have an IBM prof lol

or had idk if he's still teaching

[queen anvil]

You’re a mac man?

[severe arrow]

yeah I thought that was obvious lol

[hardy trench]

He’s teaching dsa along with maccio

I got maccio tho 🐐

[queen anvil]

The sewage smell in hamilton does things to a mf forgive me

[severe arrow]

maccio is the best prof

[queen anvil]

agreed

[unreal field]

what did I do

[severe arrow]

mac department tried to remove his 2nd year course

[graceful kayak]

loo

[queen anvil]

He is a DSA demon you’re very lucky to have Maccio the goat

[severe arrow]

damn I had janicki for dsa

[queen anvil]

Mmm vaguely heard of him but never had him

[severe arrow]

crazy did he finally retire?

dude was pushing his 90s

everyone thought he would die in first year then somehow I still had him in my 5th year

[queen anvil]

We temporarily had a professor for discrete math that got pissed someone in our class was throwing shit around when he wasnt looking so he followed that kid and then threatened his mom or some shit and then got fired and Maccio the goat came in to save us

[severe arrow]

damn yeah they removed him from faculty page

mac profs has been in shambles for years

the cs department is always suffering

[queen anvil]

Dude Dr. McDonald started tweaking and yelling at the class when someone made a your mom joke

He deleted that day’s lecture from echo360

[severe arrow]

never had him

[hardy trench]

Janicki still here dw

[severe arrow]

damn

[hardy trench]

I have emil tho

Instead of janicki for concurrent systems

[queen anvil]

Emil is the goat

Emil drives an old porsche 911

[hardy trench]

What a goat

[severe arrow]

if you guys take differential privacy shahab is a really good prof

[hardy trench]

I’m gonna glaze him and maccio

[queen anvil]

Tried researching witj him never heard back

[severe arrow]

he sucks at checking emails, spam his TA

or he ghosted you

[hardy trench]

what did yall think abt farmer

[safe light]

loo

[severe arrow]

never had him

[queen anvil]

Yeah figured out later that emailing a prof’s grad students is the easier way to research under them

[queen anvil]

Heard he’s another goat

[severe arrow]

try with ashtiani he always respons

[hardy trench]

he acc cares

[severe arrow]

also his research is super ML focused

takes ugrads often

[hardy trench]

r u cs

[severe arrow]

math/cs

[queen anvil]

Dw I ended up researching with Andrew Gadsden

[severe arrow]

you wanna do masters?

[queen anvil]

I saw Ashtiani at my mosque once too iirc

[severe arrow]

mashallah

[queen anvil]

I wanna get paid and sometimes companies love research

[graceful kayak]

loo

[queen anvil]

Might do a masters if i think it’ll get me even more money faster

[severe arrow]

fair enough, what year are you in?

[queen anvil]

4th of SE + BME

[severe arrow]

prob not but good to duck a shitty job market, if you do a masters do the uoft applied computing one

[graceful kayak]

loo

[severe arrow]

are you doing a 5th year?

[queen anvil]

I’m thinking the part time 2 year online masters from Georgia Tech its only like 10k USD total

OMSCS

[severe arrow]

meh if you find a job sure, but only worth it if you want to transition

that degree loses value every year

[graceful kayak]

loo

[queen anvil]

Lowe it, it just needs to hold 10k USD value for when i do it

Surely a masters will get me 10k

[severe arrow]

uoft masters is 8k + OSAP + it's with a guaranteed co-op

does place in US pretty frequently

[queen anvil]

Mmm rather cheeky innit blud

I’ll look into it when its time for me to graduate

[severe arrow]

my last co-op my basically supervisor was in it doing it right after ugrad and he works in quant now in boston

[queen anvil]

W thats the new motive

[severe arrow]

but you could also just do a US masters that would be better

[atomic ember]

doing a masters to "duck a shitty job market" is prob the worst idea ever

[safe light]

Hello

Tbh Canada job market is normal, we just were so used to insane hiring post covid

[severe arrow]

depends if masters is already a value add and you aren't able to secure offer and depends on the masters

[safe light]

This is how the job market felt in like 2013

[atomic ember]

i would only do masters if my field requires it like data science or mle

[unreal field]

Loo

[atomic ember]

if u cant secure an offer dropping 10k is not gonna fix that

[severe arrow]

sure ig I lean more towards stats cuz of my ugrad

[atomic ember]

ru uw math

[severe arrow]

mac math/cs

[atomic ember]

how is cs at mac

[severe arrow]

idk ask someone i ncs

math/cs is like a science program

we are tiny

[atomic ember]

oh i thought it is double degree

[severe arrow]

meh it's dual major kinda

[atomic ember]

u have coop?

[severe arrow]

program is like 50 ppl per year

no lol

[atomic ember]

oh

my software eng mac friend said its mid anyways

like just banks and stuff

[severe arrow]

probably my degree is more emphasis on academic lots of ppl do masters / phd

I did internships myself

most ppl do but not everyone, research is not required but expected most ppl do some form of research

[atomic ember]

i see

[severe arrow]

if I could go back I'd go straight cs

acc I'd go to waterloo

[atomic ember]

what year ru

[severe arrow]

I recently graduated

[atomic ember]

ohh lmfao

i was gonna say just transfer to mac cs

did u get in waterloo?

[severe arrow]

ya

[atomic ember]

uw cs?

[severe arrow]

yes

[atomic ember]

i didnt get in lmfao

[severe arrow]

uw cs laurier business

[atomic ember]

uw side or laurier side

[severe arrow]

I applied through Uwaterloo so prob that

[atomic ember]

yea so uw side

[severe arrow]

on like einfo

way back when

[atomic ember]

yeah dude u should have taken that and dropped laurier bba after first year

[severe arrow]

I am first gen uni so I didn't know which uni you went to was that serious

[atomic ember]

ngl i regret not trying harder in hs either

[severe arrow]

i picked mac cuz I was told there were baddies there

well more than waterloo anyways

[atomic ember]

western

[severe arrow]

yeah western rejected me

I wanted swe + aeo

I only got swe

[atomic ember]

first gen uni is a big deal u should be proud

[unreal field]

@safe light @graceful kayak loo

[severe arrow]

faang doesn't care

honestly any job at this point would be good

[atomic ember]

any itnernships?

[severe arrow]

couple

last one got rescinded

got super f*cked over

[atomic ember]

what was it

[severe arrow]

US bank quant dev

[atomic ember]

jeez

thats fucked

ik people whos zon full time offers got reinceided 2

i didnt know us bank provided sponsorship

[severe arrow]

yeah that's the only thing about this job market, even if it's as bad as 2013 ppl didn't get rescinded like taht

[severe arrow]

recent policy change

they don't anymore

[safe light]

Loo

Everyday is another day hating on loo

One day god will reward me

[graceful kayak]

lloooo

[unreal field]

lol

[atomic ember]

for what yoe tho? id say intern market is still pretty bad

maybe im copign

[unreal field]

Comparison is the thief of joy

[inner trench]

Loo is the thief of joy

[graceful kayak]

Loo is joy

[inner trench]

Loo is the thief of joy

[unreal field]

Loo

[graceful kayak]

live laugh loo

[unreal field]

live laugh loo

[inner trench]

live laugh loo

[orchid crag]

water

[viral tree]

It do be like this

[unreal field]

look

[safe light]

This is cope tbh

[safe light]

From the pitch book rankings, McGill Waterloo and UofT have similar scores

If we look at VC funding per capita Vancouver is ahead

Even if we look at unicorn founders

Of the 100 in Canada 20 from Waterloo

But like 19 from McGill and like 17 from UofT

[graceful kayak]

loo

[safe light]

Tbh it’s crazy how Canadian schools are all pretty much the same in terms of opportunities and outcomes

But the Waterloo media complex makes it out to be like some insane advantage when it’s really not

I’ve even see loo students in this chat tell me they’d rather go to loo than MIT or Stanford cuz the coop program and I’m like bruh

[severe arrow]

cuz of price difference is the only acceptable answer ngl

[unreal field]

Loo

[severe arrow]

I wouldn't be able to afford MIT or Stanford even if I got accepted

[graceful kayak]

live laugh loo

[safe light]

This is fair but like

[severe arrow]

yeah still a ridiculous statement

I agree

[safe light]

I think a lot of it is due to like culture and how online Waterloo is tbh

A lot of them use Reddit and discord and LinkedIn

And promote their university

Tbh it’s a genius marking strategy

[queen anvil]

Nah man UW really does have it a lot better

[untold nebula]

Anyone who’s been around Waterloo students knows how good their coop board is

• plus the resume value of loo is huge for American companies

[queen anvil]

They get exclusive jobs on WaterlooWorks only, their name is known in cali, and some companies have even specifically gone for UW students. The biggest advantage imo are the big name co-ops that they get access to off-term (i.e. not summer)

[inner trench]

hard disagree

trolling aside, waterloo ppl have it MUCH better in terms of opportunities presented to them

[queen anvil]

Try being a McMaster man looking to crack bloomberg nyc for winter

[graceful kayak]

the amount of cope if insane no?

[inner trench]

nah companies literally open up spots only for you

datadog only hires from loo for off-season

zon opened up only for loo for off-season

[untold nebula]

Another example is twitter/X

[inner trench]

X was exclusive to loo before this year

yup

[queen anvil]

Bloomberg NYC a couple years back had a thing where they went for only ex-RBC UW mans

Did that, decided ex-RBC UW mans were mid, and didn't do that specifically again but still they favour UW

[inner trench]

also pinterest strongly prefers waterloo

[queen anvil]

BitGo posted for Winter, and they literally say to upload your waterlooworks transcript or some shit

[inner trench]

yea lol

it is what it is

[queen anvil]

I will say one thing tho

Lots of UW mans take the extreme advantage WW gives them and settle into a sort of complacency for their first few co-ops and end up at good but local small places that only posted on WW

[graceful kayak]

shop rej 💔🥀

[inner trench]

i should’ve worked harder in high school 🙁

[queen anvil]

Being from other than UW, you don't get that advantage so you can pretty much only look online (uni job boards are garbage and no exclusive postings). Bigger companies are more likely to post universally online

[inner trench]

the median outcome is better than any other school tho

[queen anvil]

Yeah 100%. Their fifth co-ops are all of a sudden cali/nyc out of nowhere

Also there's a sort of volunteer bias at UW. The set of students who make it to UW and stay there are both more ambitious than your average Guelph eng student, and cultivate that ambition through UW's environment

So even if they didn't make it to UW, they'd still do very well

[queen anvil]

How'd you do on the OA?

[graceful kayak]

good

[queen anvil]

What year are yuo

[graceful kayak]

rising frhesman

[queen anvil]

Amazing that you got the OA tho so young

rats on oo

[severe arrow]

mac students you need to get on this fr

[queen anvil]

There is a severe lack of ambition at Mac

[fast parrot]

What year are u?

[queen anvil]

Going into 5th

[severe arrow]

meh it's in small pockets 3 of my friends went to faang this year

[fast parrot]

Nice iBio or management/soc?

[queen anvil]

iBio

[severe arrow]

1 I'm particularly close with

[fast parrot]

I c I’m in swe

[unreal field]

thescore (swe), questrade, ws is highly loo only

[severe arrow]

isn't that program really popular with biotechs?

[queen anvil]

Yeah def, there are pockets here and there but the general sentiment I feel among the student body is that academic research is peak and chasing the bag is frowned upon

[unreal field]

thescore makes york do 8m of qa before being elgibile for thescore swe

[fast parrot]

Nah it’s really just there’s no pressure to get coops imo

it’s just the UW mindset

They should really kick u out of coop if u don’t find the first two like uw

[queen anvil]

There needs to be some degree of pressure otherwise people will waste their potential. I knew a couple guys in second year that were cracked but god knows what happened to them

I also know a 100k schulich scholar who is so incredibly intelligent but he got lost in partying etc no co-ops

[fast parrot]

I was chilling first year didn’t find coop realized it was cooked and locked in. I 100% believe it’s just mindset and the people around u

[severe arrow]

I mean some ppl just don't know that the expectation is that now

like I came into uni thinking a degree was enough

[queen anvil]

unemployment --> masters pipeline is strong at Mac lmao

There's that one girl who has an insta

[severe arrow]

our most popular alum is a streamer

[queen anvil]

Shoutout to pokemain?

[fast parrot]

Pookimane

[severe arrow]

not everyone is privileged enough to know what they don't know

I was first gen uni student

I got accepted to waterloo and didn't go cuz to me uni was uni

[queen anvil]

Yeah, first year I wasn't familiar with the co-op game either. Didn't get anything and then locked in over the summer, went to UW every day with my friend and grinded

[bleak ferry]

Did anyone get Shopify technical rejection today

[severe arrow]

and guidance advisor's don't know anything so that was the sentiment that was reiterated to me as well

[queen anvil]

I remember there was this session back when I was in hs on getting into UW and one of the UW students straight up said to cap on your applications about your ECs cause they don't want "basement-dwellers whose mothers slide a pizza under their doors every so often"

[fast parrot]

Nah the play for Mac is to actually open a campus next to UW and have the swe/cs kids learn there fr

[queen anvil]

The only play McMaster knows is how to open up a new student residence (without clean running water or proper insulation)

[severe arrow]

"at this point" lol this was a couple years back

I started school pre covid

[fast parrot]

Bro they’re trying to get first years in there cuz no body’s renting 😭

[queen anvil]

The new one across the gym opened?

[graceful kayak]

live laugh loo

[fast parrot]

Nah I thought u were talking about the down town one

[queen anvil]

Yeah that one too lmao

[fast parrot]

Is that a Rez I thought it was a library

[queen anvil]

Masters --> first year pipeline

[severe arrow]

also not everyone knows what they want to do at 17

really low eq comments ngl

[queen anvil]

I think its a rez and the base floor will be a [overpriced and understocked] grocery store

[fast parrot]

They’re building some mega res next to the hospital on main

idek how they have the money to do that

[safe light]

Bro no it wasn’t

And honestly man

If you put in effort you can get this shit

[queen anvil]

3 new residences in a span of 5 years is insane

[fast parrot]

Money farms

[queen anvil]

If only they'd invested the budget for one residence into our co-op program we'd be insane

[safe light]

Companies care about talent, they don’t give a shit about some job board

I got twitter final first / second year by just having an active GitHub and trying to get their attention

[severe arrow]

no because you think people who aren't raised with a silver spoon aren't serious about their careers for things they can't possibly know

[fast parrot]

Bro for what it is, they did get a lot done for 300$/term (now 450) like how we the second biggest coop in Ontario when like TMU is paying 1.2k

[safe light]

Bro the Waterloo works jobs are the same pipeline as external

They just have it easier cuz they apply off season if you apply off season you will face less completion too

Also the companies that have loo quotas are literally bit2go or Shopify, which basically have 996 for Canadian pay bruh

[severe arrow]

this is inherently bias, it's common knowledge because you know where to look.

also public availability of information has changed

[safe light]

Bro everyone has a different journey

I know second degree people who got into tech at 25 who now have quant process

And offers

[severe arrow]

ok now it is I meant before

[queen anvil]

Come on gang, its not really like that. People come from different walks of life and to know the state of the industry at 17 requires a focus from a young age. And not everyone knows whats what

[severe arrow]

you can't assume this for people who already started uni

[safe light]

Bro the average CS student probably learned about it at

22

On TikTok

No one knows WTF they will do in high school

[severe arrow]

this guy is acc socially inept

[safe light]

Unless u have like helicopter parents and shit

[severe arrow]

he prob does

never had to work for shit

doesn't know what hard life is

[safe light]

Probably had helicopter parents*

I legit played video games and shit

During HA

HS

No one cared about uni that much

[severe arrow]

I worked 2 jobs to save for uni in grade 12

[safe light]

Now u hear about kids getting internships in HS like WTF

it’s also dumb af imo cuz we all end up at the same place

[severe arrow]

0 social awareness

[safe light]

If you stated at 18 or 12 or 22

We all probably gonna end up at some tech company doing the same thing

[fast parrot]

U at western?

[queen anvil]

You learn things as you go along, and a big part of knowing what really is true is by the people around you. In hs, everyone's different and much more relaxed. Its only in uni when you're able to surround yourself with people with the same goals in the same industry as you. Its only then that you can really talk to professionals as well. I mean in uni, your peers can be thought of as professionals since they've had co-ops. You can't say that about hs

[severe arrow]

lol doesn't matter how ambitious you are if you spawned without a certain set of opportunities you won't have any success

"I think that ppl who don't know what they want to do at 17 aren't serious cs majors" - Surge

[queen anvil]

Mmm ok, well then the same logic still applies. Cause once again, the further along in uni you are, the more privvy you get to industry matters. First years won't know the same as final years

[safe light]

Idk like I can see Surges perspective but I think he grew up in a different world than us

[severe arrow]

literally word for word what you said

17 in uni?

first 1-2 months?

[safe light]

Tbh honestly ur probably better off not knowing the market is harder these days cuz u will try harder

So many people give up too easily

If you grind you can still make it

Plus if ur a Canadian citizen u can work in USA which is hiring like crazy

[queen anvil]

Attended Oracle Reach session yesterday for them to give special links only to say no sponsorship😭

[safe light]

Like I’m happy no one told me it was hard to get an internship otherwise I wouldn’t have worked so hard

[safe light]

For new grad or intern?

[queen anvil]

I think both, except masters students

[safe light]

For new grad if your Canadian citizen just write you don’t need sponsorship

[severe arrow]

I was that person....I was only ever told that uni -> success, you try to find answers to something you don't know

lots of ppl are like me first gen uni students

[safe light]

Being the job offer to the boarder and you can get a TN visa

[queen anvil]

That's sick

[severe arrow]

lots of people don't that's the point4

[safe light]

You can apply even if they say no sponsorship

You don’t need “real” sponsorship like H1b

You have the right to work in the USA through TN visa

[severe arrow]

you made a general statement that applies to all people that was my qualm

[safe light]

As long as you have a CS degree from a university

And you are a Canadian citizen

And you have a real job offer

[queen anvil]

Wait why can't you do that for intern then? My friend interning at tesla rn got TN, but another internning at Nvidia got J1

[severe arrow]

usually only tesla does TN

it takes a bit of finesse

J1 is more common

[fast parrot]

Teslas cheeky with the tn visa

[safe light]

Tesla does TN but most intern companies don’t understand how TN for intern works so they do J1

99% of the time TN intern won’t work cuz companies don’t know it’s an option

[safe light]

Yeah they bend the rules

[queen anvil]

So I've heard, but if you can get TN by showing up to border with job offer, just get intern job offer from anywhere and show up to border?

[severe arrow]

you can try but they usually have lawyers train you what to say

[safe light]

this is risky imo

Don’t do TN for intern just work in Canada

Do TN for NG

[fast parrot]

They get you to apply under scientific technician or some bs

[queen anvil]

So you don't have to put that you require sponsorship

[severe arrow]

something along the signs of it's a contract position etc.

[severe arrow]

no

[safe light]

Yeah

[severe arrow]

TN new grad always say no

[safe light]

You don’t need sponsorship

[severe arrow]

for intern maybe but generally say no then explain in interview

[fast parrot]

For intern u need sponsorship no?

[safe light]

For intern yes

[severe arrow]

technically yes

[safe light]

For NG no

[severe arrow]

but it's cheap

[fast parrot]

Ur not getting away with tn with intern

[severe arrow]

most places do it

[safe light]

I know some startups do TN intern but you need to speak with them beforehand

[queen anvil]

Chat if you've criticized israel then US won't give student visas tho

J1 blocked

[fast parrot]

Just don’t talk about Israel for the next 4 years

Fr

[severe arrow]

talk about what?

[safe light]

Just use redact.dev

[queen anvil]

Lmaooo

[fast parrot]

Idk

[safe light]

Delete everything on discord and Reddit

[queen anvil]

They'll check your social medias

[safe light]

Don’t have social media

[fast parrot]

Delete them

[safe light]

Always use VPN

[graceful kayak]

what if glaze them instead

[safe light]

anyway I’m not planning on going g to the USA

so idc

[severe arrow]

ok calm down

[safe light]

But if you are you should use VPN + fake email for all ur accounts

Otherwise they might jail you

[graceful kayak]

anything for google internship

[safe light]

Did you apply?

[severe arrow]

meh I plan on going then coming back

[safe light]

Tbh if you have a few prev internships you’ll probably get an intern

[silent folio]

not anymore?

[safe light]

Interview*

[fast parrot]

Has anyone gotten Google process yet?

[safe light]

Trump shit too fucked

So not much to gain if we move

[silent folio]

ah ic

valid

[graceful kayak]

yes

[safe light]

But yea they will deport ur ass so quick

[silent folio]

like with a tn visa

[safe light]

What TC would it take for you to stay in Canada ?

Look most people will likely be fine

[severe arrow]

they jailed some canadian citizens lol

[queen anvil]

Bruh

Listen I just need 4 months in NYC

[severe arrow]

it's only a handful

but wild shit

[safe light]

But like know that literally any mistake will lead to ur jailing

[queen anvil]

Zohran will save me in NYC

[safe light]

And even if you don’t make a mistake you can be wrong place wrong time

[silent folio]

holy shit

[safe light]

Cad or USD

tbh 300k is doable

[silent folio]

lemme see levels rq

i think 300k cad is fine

[severe arrow]

bru💀 h

[queen anvil]

Bruh who giving 300k cad

[severe arrow]

300k cad is "fine"

[silent folio]

its google 😭

[queen anvil]

Shop is like 140k cad, same with wealthsimple I think

Neetcode said Amazon gave him 140k as well iirc

[severe arrow]

I think microsoft vancouver is 160k now

[safe light]

Stripe, robinhood I think, snowflake

I’m taking SDE2+

[silent folio]

those numbers are just so low in comparison thats why

as a reference point, google l3 pays like 330k cad ng

ur not ng tho right? @safe light

[safe light]

Back when I was interviewing for NG, rippling was offering US salaries in Toronto it was insane lmfao

[severe arrow]

ahlie don't even bother applying if it's not google

160k for the poors

[safe light]

I don’t know if they still are

Rip

[safe light]

No

[safe light]

In the USA or Canada ?

Google USA is like 210 USD no?

[queen anvil]

No I know a robinhood man he's making 140k

[safe light]

Like HCOL

[silent folio]

whats ur answer to this

[silent folio]

says 238k but u know more than me

[severe arrow]

mine?

[safe light]

for SDE2+?

They offered me 140 for SDE1

[queen anvil]

Oh nah yeah for SDE1 like new grad

[safe light]

Yea 300k CAD would be good enough for me

[safe light]

Yeah they can go higher for SDE2/3

Especially if you have experience they want

Tbh let me check i might be bullshtijg

[severe arrow]

300k USD equivalent

[queen anvil]

300k high for only one or two levels?

[safe light]

Seems like it’s SDE3 that gets 300

I think SDE2 can be negotiated up to 250

[silent folio]

sde3 is senior?

[severe arrow]

honestly if I had equivalent salary for US & Canada I'd prob still go US

[safe light]

Nvm the highest SDE2 is 230

[safe light]

Yeah

SDE3 is 4-5 YOE

SDE2 is 2 YOE

SDE1 is 0-1

But I def know SDE3 makes 300

Cuz I had a friend who makes more than that as a senior

But idk

[silent folio]

that makes sense

[safe light]

Snowflake has good comp in Canada

Senior around 500k

Cad

[silent folio]

didn't know snowflake was like that crazy

that jump is insane tho

[fast parrot]

Gonna be Taxed like hell

On the stock no?

[safe light]

Yes you pay income

When it vests

Tbh staying in Canada isn’t the end of the world for comp

Also new startups and shit pay better than bigger companies too

You pay income tax on vest

Same as US

[silent folio]

at big tech yeah

but idk about startups in canada

[severe arrow]

I mean you can work at startups remotely that are in US and still get paid while living in Canada

lots of US based companies hire remotely in toronto

[safe light]

Also citadel did a posting for Toronto

Tbh that would be insane comp

Imagine cit salaries but in Canada

Damn

[silent folio]

for all quant roles?

[severe arrow]

cit sec interviews are hell

like I don't want to go through that again

[safe light]

Cpp

[silent folio]

oh yeah i saw that

[severe arrow]

during covid virtual onsite

[fast parrot]

Damn they acc give McMaster process

[severe arrow]

I had a quant shop on site insight week

[safe light]

It’s a real office too

[severe arrow]

and quant risk internship

[safe light]

With good TC

they pay USA salaries

It’s mostly failed USA H1b people lol

[silent folio]

lmao not surprised

[safe light]

Need to lock in tbh

Grind cpp

And get an offer

[silent folio]

300k+ not enough? 🥀

[safe light]

😔

[unreal field]

holy yap

loo or ngmi in canada

[stark cipher]

bro acts like they wont adjust the comp

for snow peso

ure gonna get paid like 200 snow pesos while ur neighbours down south r getting 500 real dollars

[graceful kayak]

live laugh loo

[stark cipher]

live laugh loo

[unreal field]

cali or bust

[brisk gate]

no they are definitely not

some are the same pipeline for sure

but in general they are not the same pipeline but it is true that overtime, the gap between job boards fomr different schools have lessened

also holy heck

wake up

400+ messages

theres actual discussion here instead of

loo

and water

😭

[hardy trench]

loo was mentioned over 15 times

[stark cipher]

loo

[brisk gate]

water

[brisk gate]

unfortunately they might give you reduced pay since youre working in canada

but pray they dont

🙏

[brisk gate]

microsoft vancouver 2

electric boogaloo

[unreal field]

loo

[unreal field]

no it’s just discussing loo

loo

[brisk gate]

Water

[crystal comet]

only 996 if ur a staff or something on teams that the C suite has their eye on

[graceful kayak]

loo

[unreal field]

ool

[orchid crag]

lol

[lethal hawk]

How many people in Canada heard back from Shopify (either rejection or interview)

I haven’t heard back yet so idk if it’s just a soft rejection or

The LinkedIn post of the VP of eng said be ready to interview in September

[hardy trench]

some people alr got intervieews tho

which is confusing

[safe light]

Loo

Water

[lethal hawk]

It also makes sense though because the interns don’t come in until next week they might be rolling it out

[hardy trench]

wdym by this

fall interns dont come in until next week?

[lethal hawk]

Yeah

[hardy trench]

so i'm assuming

no news rn

is good news

[lethal hawk]

I know they don’t deal with the recruiting themselves but maybe they’re busy with finalizing on-boarding this week

[hardy trench]

ahh ok

they did send rejections today tho

i saw like 2 people

said they got rejected

[lethal hawk]

Yeah

[hardy trench]

so maybe they're rolling out rejections

and then interviews after the fall interns are in

inshallah we make it ahmad 🙏

[lethal hawk]

Ameen

[hardy trench]

im a soph lowkey shopify a reach but im praying

ik a freshman at my school who got in

which was crazy

mac

[lethal hawk]

I mean I think getting an OA if you’re not Waterloo is pretty impressive ngl that means you got a decent resume

[hardy trench]

its not auto?

[lethal hawk]

No it’s not I don’t think so

[hardy trench]

ahh ic

[lethal hawk]

Theres a lot of people here and online waiting for the OA

[hardy trench]

my friend at loo said after the oa

it took him a long ass time

to get interviews

(s25 intern)

[lethal hawk]

When did he apply

[hardy trench]

this was for fall season

mb

not summer

[lethal hawk]

For what season

[hardy trench]

applied for fall 25

said they took a long time

after oa

to send interview

[queen anvil]

I got news for shop

Bonafide verified news

Pair programming is happening sept 1-5

Life story sept 15 -19

[hardy trench]

where r u getting these dates from

[lethal hawk]

I applied for fall even though I’m studying this sem I applied on the 13th let me see when I got the interview

[hardy trench]

okok smart

check and lmk

[queen anvil]

Email

I think pair programming might happen a little bit beyond the 5th as well

But life story is 15-19

[lethal hawk]

I got it back on the 24th

[hardy trench]

pp on 24?

[lethal hawk]

That’s when I got the interview invite

[hardy trench]

hmm

[lethal hawk]

And actually I applied on the 14th

[hardy trench]

i guess we can only wait

[lethal hawk]

Last day to apply

[hardy trench]

ohhh

ok that makes mroe sense

was pair programming hard?

[lethal hawk]

No

[hardy trench]

ive heard it was lc or ood

[lethal hawk]

It’s oop

[queen anvil]

Did you get the mars rover question

[lethal hawk]

No

[queen anvil]

Any language right?

[lethal hawk]

Yeah

[queen anvil]

W

[hardy trench]

was this oop?

[queen anvil]

Yeah

[hardy trench]

okok calm

[lethal hawk]

It was super simple the reason I didn’t pass is because I didn’t spam chatGPT

[hardy trench]

how did u guys use ai for it

ohh

[queen anvil]

Damn wot

[hardy trench]

said they use AI alot

they get unlimited tokens

[queen anvil]

My friend interview for this past summer and he got the mars rover question I don't think he used AI

[hardy trench]

literally msot of the stuff is written with AI

[unreal field]

I had mars rover question

Oh wait not for shop

[lethal hawk]

I used it sparingly because I thought yk it would show that I don’t need AI to get everything done for me but no they really want you to use AI

[queen anvil]

Its the industry standard now. My friends at Tesla and Nvidia and some other senior SWEs I know say 80-95% of their code is chatted

[hardy trench]

yeah thats insane

[queen anvil]

For WS then?

[hardy trench]

smart tho

[lethal hawk]

So if you get an interview don’t be shy to use AI boot up the prompt on cursor, comment through your code walk them through it and talk about edge cases and such, what optimizations you’d make

[queen anvil]

Mmm, wth light work

My interviewer literally has Bleach on her linkedin

[lethal hawk]

They might have changed it this time because the OA was a little different this time around

[hardy trench]

ahh ic

[queen anvil]

Email did say to use AI, both for the OA and for the pair programming

[lethal hawk]

Yeah but I feel like maybe this time they’ll make it so that you have to use AI

[hardy trench]

yeah

[queen anvil]

Throughout the exercise, you can use your preferred AI tools, Google, StackOverflow, etc. - any resources that you would normally use in your day-to-day work. This is a collaborative exercise, not a closed book test. In fact, we strongly encourage you to leverage AI tools in this interview; it's a key skill that reflects our commitment to innovation at Shopify. The intent of pairing isn’t just to see your technical skills in action, but also to evaluate how you work with the team, how you give and receive feedback, and how you think and work through a problem. Your pairing partner will ask questions about your approach and implementation as you work. We encourage you to ask them questions too! We’ll leave about 10 minutes for you to ask questions at the end.

[lethal hawk]

Like you wouldn’t be able to do it without it

[hardy trench]

lemmie see if i can find it

[lethal hawk]

Yes I remember that too

[hardy trench]

What did you apply to

was ur interview more focused on data?

[crystal comet]

no, the interviews don't touch on data shit at all

unless they changed them massively this cycle

[hardy trench]

ahhh Okok

[unreal field]

they asked me how to design a Shopify clone

loo

[stark cipher]

if you have interview initials RL

congrats im your interviewer

[inner trench]

i’m being interviewed by reinforcement learning holy

[junior hazel]

ur doing interviews? lmao

[unreal field]

see u soon

[stark cipher]

pack it up brochacho ure not passing unless u do ur interview in ocaml

[unreal field]

your in lucky buddy boy

[queen anvil]

Bruh 170k for Senior in Toronto: https://job-boards.greenhouse.io/robinhood/jobs/7007025?gh_src=NaN&gh_jid=7007025

[safe light]

It’s so fucked

[unreal field]

@devout storm

[eager imp]

fr

[devout storm]

sup

oh

yeah canada pay is ass

it’s either mpk/ny or nothing for me 😍😍😍

i think my manager can clutch

[safe light]

That’s base

[safe light]

In tech ur comp is based on a base salary and RSUs on top of that

Most people don’t make much base and are paid mostly in RSUs

[unreal field]

not if u go to loo

[dreamy patio]

Amazon and google started hiring for new grad yet??

[safe light]

Yeah

[inner trench]

i don't see g

[safe light]

https://www.google.com/about/careers/applications/jobs/results/76711042209456838-software-developer-ii/?src=Online/LinkedIn/linkedin_us&utm_source=linkedin&utm_medium=jobposting&utm_campaign=contract

[inner trench]

oh that

i was talking about the actual early career ones

for 2026 NGs

that's not out eyt

[safe light]

You can still apply to these L3 roles tbh

[frozen chasm]

Yeah there’s no actual early career campus out yet

[safe light]

They take anyone

[frozen chasm]

If u know someone ye in general no

Depends on exp

[safe light]

Wdym

Isn’t it the same process

[frozen chasm]

Like referral

[safe light]

Both end up in team match

[safe light]

Oh I see

[frozen chasm]

This one is sre now

Early career is like whatever

[safe light]

Referral ok, but these days I feel like they don’t do much

Idk though

Might be coping

I know referral for OpenAI very good

[frozen chasm]

I feel like w faang it’s rng

With Amazon u don’t see any real benefit with referral imo

[safe light]

U at zon ?

[frozen chasm]

No but I’ve int there before

[safe light]

[frozen chasm]

Ik ppl who r there too

Nobody had a referral

[safe light]

Yeah

Zon I don’t think referrals do anything tbh

[frozen chasm]

Ye

Same with Microsoft

[safe light]

U know it’s funny I’ve never heard back from MSFT in my life

[frozen chasm]

Same

I’ve applied with senior referral

[safe light]

lol

[frozen chasm]

Ik some guy who applied multiple times with referral, reject. 30th time cold apply gets oa

[safe light]

Where u @ now

Flix?

[frozen chasm]

Just searching

Lol

[safe light]

Oh fair

[frozen chasm]

Wbu

[safe light]

Praying for OpenAI

I’m grin

Tbh this is my current goal

[silent folio]

doesnt flix only hire dei

[safe light]

C++ in citadel

[safe light]

Wdym ?

[silent folio]

they hire a lot of people in colorstack

[safe light]

If you search LinkedIn

A lot of white dudes and Asian dudes

[inner trench]

loo 😭

[safe light]

Sadly

Tbh loo students always keep their LinkedIn updated

It’s so annoying

[brisk gate]

I think there were some intern cohorts with like 1 white guy out of like 30

And that's where it came from

But I did hear Netflix likes diversity

[safe light]

The only thing faster than the speed of light is loo student updating their LinkedIn

[silent folio]

is he an intern?

[safe light]

Interned then full time RO

[safe light]

Those aren’t interns though

[brisk gate]

What

[safe light]

I think ur talking about the formation program

[brisk gate]

Oh is there a difference

[safe light]

https://formation.dev/partners/netflix

I think this might be where the confusion is coming from

They sponsor people from color stack etc

[brisk gate]

I see

[safe light]

To do interview prep and SWE prep over the summer

People list it as internships

But it’s not

[brisk gate]

Whotf came up with color stack 😭

Crazy statement

[safe light]

Formation is a bootcamp that partners with Netflix so Netflix engineers do the teaching

[brisk gate]

I did hear Google step likes diversity too

That's what I hear

[safe light]

That program doesn’t even exist lol

[brisk gate]

I have no opinion in the matter tho

[brisk gate]

Wdym?

What

[safe light]

Like it’s not a thing

[brisk gate]

Google step?

[safe light]

Yeah

[brisk gate]

What

How is it not a thing

[safe light]

They canceled it

[brisk gate]

Like is it fake news?

[silent folio]

he means it used to be a thing

[brisk gate]

Oh like it used to be a thing?

[safe light]

Yeah but it doesn’t exist anymore

[brisk gate]

I see

[safe light]

I hear due to Trump

[brisk gate]

Crazy times

Could be just early career or remnants from 2025 posting

[graceful kayak]

loo

[graceful dove]

who is open to do lock interview in data?

[analog current]

aacha wala beta

[keen galleon]

Does anyone have experience working at OPS or similar places?

[dreamy patio]

Amazon??

[honest quest]

Government?

[severe arrow]

ik robinhood tc is like ~150k with RSU's and bonus for new grad

[keen galleon]

Ye

U do?

[honest quest]

Yes it’s garbage don’t go there u learn nun u will be dumber than u came and it’s not good for career growth I was a swe intern at ministry of attorney gen but all ministries are bad for growth I heard

[unreal field]

loo

[dense zephyr]

yall think its worth it to go to hack the north just get loo on my resume

[analog grove]

robinhood recruiter mentioned they couldn't go above 300k unfortunately 😢 but I had offers from stripe and snow and can confirm they're 300-450k (for senior)

[swift kernel]

yea i can confirm this

[safe light]

For SDE2 what did they offer you ? :(

[keen galleon]

Oh man

[real mason]

how many yoe to be considered for senior roles?