canada

[leaden hinge]

yes

idk sounds scary

[spiral kelp]

Go watch 30 min video on intro to OOP and come back

Plz

[leaden hinge]

chat do i start right here @hot rapids ye like deadass follow this ?

[spiral kelp]

We can’t help u if u cant tutorial

[spiral kelp]

Bro u can’t do a for loop

[leaden hinge]

html first bruhhh

yeah i can

[spiral kelp]

Learn fundamentals first

[river plinth]

how r u graduating next year if ur learning OOP rn?

[leaden hinge]

accelerated degree

[azure junco]

I'm ngl that is roadmap to crud monkey

You won't understand anything about core cs with that

[leaden hinge]

BRO I NEED SOME ROADMAP

FUCK ME

[magic cave]

You mean crud money? 🤑

[leaden hinge]

WHAT DO I DO

😭

[magic cave]

Go to class

[spiral kelp]

I told u

[leaden hinge]

thats useless

[azure junco]

Crud is first to get replaced with ai

[leaden hinge]

mf said memorize code

[magic cave]

It's over then

[spiral kelp]

Learn cs fundamentals and learn oop

[leaden hinge]

i need to study my self

[azure junco]

Even shitty Devon can write. Acrud app

[leaden hinge]

OK how do i learn fundamentals

[spiral kelp]

Search it up on utube

[leaden hinge]

end of chapter problems from my textbook should be solid yeah?

[azure junco]

Watch a cs fundamentals youtube playlist

[spiral kelp]

Watch the first video

Search up OOP on utube, watch the video

[azure junco]

Brother in the time you've spent here galavanting you could've already learned the entirety of python control flow

[spiral kelp]

Act learn those afterwards

[leaden hinge]

im gonna do end of chapter problems is that good

[hot rapids]

Bro is cooked if they don’t have self learning skills at all 😭

[hot rapids]

That’s what I’m sayingggg

[spiral kelp]

It’s a habit tbh if he didn’t have it before he won’t have it now

[leaden hinge]

i know control flow

i just did a lab on stack implementation on an array

and the bracket match program

yk

[spiral kelp]

Ngl I can’t remember the last time I used a stack irl

Go learn functions and recursion then

Go learn classes

[azure junco]

??? I use it all the time

But yes learn functions and then recursion

[leaden hinge]

@spiral kelp this shit would be good to get the fundamentals down pat yea?

this for example is the loops chapter

[azure junco]

Sure

Just drill loops

[spiral kelp]

I’m doing front end rn 😭

[leaden hinge]

bro im lost 1 person saying do the roadmap the other saying learn fundmentals

[river plinth]

valid parentheses all day 😎

[leaden hinge]

yea? lot of practice

[spiral kelp]

He said do roadmap bc we thought u knew fundamentals

[leaden hinge]

wtf

@hot rapids

[river plinth]

full time?

[spiral kelp]

If u can’t do fundamentals u can’t do act job

[spiral kelp]

Intern rn

[spiral kelp]

Except for lc 💀

[leaden hinge]

@spiral kelp ok is this a good plan do chapter by chapter problems for fundamentalslike 1-18 skip some of the FX stuff

then start on JS?

and the projects?>

is this good

[river plinth]

what did they ask u in the interview?

[spiral kelp]

They gave me dp med and html css js styling oa which I botched both

Then got a behavioral and resume q

[river plinth]

lmao i have no clue what to expect for a FE interview

[azure junco]

Depends on conpany, some will ask react, some will ask DOM trivia, some will make you do vanilla js styling, some will make you do leetcode

[spiral kelp]

They would make u make a website with req using any framework of ur choice or they choose for u

[leaden hinge]

dawg is my plan good 😭

[river plinth]

OA was react

any ideas on react questions?

[spiral kelp]

Skip ch14/16 inclusive for both

[azure junco]

write me a program that increments a counter on every button press

this was a real question I got in an interview once

[spiral kelp]

Diff btwn server side and client side react

What is react dom

[spiral kelp]

U got lucky asl

[azure junco]

ironically it's actually pretty good because you need to understand hooks and states for react

[river plinth]

gotta brush up on react concepts fml

[leaden hinge]

ok so do 1-18 skip 14 and 16 now i know fundamentals then start with HTML CSS JS and react and springboot start going on the proejcts yes?

like to do and crud

[noble field]

This is nuts

[spiral kelp]

Ig but u need do act understand it

[leaden hinge]

whats act

[spiral kelp]

Actually

[azure junco]

acruallyb

[leaden hinge]

@spiral kelp i think the end of chapter problems if i do them all myself will help me understand it yep

[spiral kelp]

Get the general idea behind each concept but don’t spent too much time

[leaden hinge]

then i can compare with the book code and solutions

[spiral kelp]

U will learn more as u use it more

[river plinth]

recruiter ignored my email when i asked him what to prep for the interview and just sent me the same email twice...

[leaden hinge]

ok yep cuz things build on each other

[spiral kelp]

Do like couple

They seemed bit mathy tho

[leaden hinge]

hmmm

pick a random chapter of the 18

that u think is important

ill show u the questions rq

the later ones in each chapter are math i think early ones are less

[spiral kelp]

13

[leaden hinge]

ok lemme send a ss

thx for your help btw

all of u

yall some goats

[spiral kelp]

I doubt they would ask u redux or context just brush up on state, effect and maybe reducers

[leaden hinge]

heres most of them in this chapter

u think they are solid ? to nail the fundamentals

[spiral kelp]

Y r there UML qs

[leaden hinge]

cuz yea youre right the fundamentals are the most important tbh cuz every language more or less tneeds them

[spiral kelp]

Just do a couple of them to get the idea and move on

[leaden hinge]

the astericks means harder question

ok but this should be a good start yeah then dive into projects and JS?

and u said react + springboot yep

i need to get grinding

[spiral kelp]

U still need to learn js, html and css before doing those

[azure junco]

Do one or two uml diagrams imo

Important for system design

[leaden hinge]

ok so chapters 1-18 (do some practice problems skip 14 and 16) then HTML CSS JS then Springboot/react then Projects

yes good plan?

[spiral kelp]

He happy with banks he don’t need to worry ab SysDes 💀

[leaden hinge]

end goal have a CRUD/Todo project made in like 3-4 months

or some other shit like a twitter clone if thats good idfk

yea good plan?

[spiral kelp]

Ur not making twitter clone in 3-4 months man

But yeah go learn fundamentals

[leaden hinge]

i mean the more knowledge the better yea? if not for the internship maybe after grad itll help soemwhere idk

Okok

thx g

crud app and todo can be done in like a month ye

i want 3-4 good projects

[spiral kelp]

They won’t ask u sysdes unless ur interviewing for big tech and even barely for intern position

[leaden hinge]

okok

[azure junco]

Every interview I had last year was sys design

💀🙏

[spiral kelp]

What company???

[wheat comet]

bro ur optimizing for a job u dont really have time to go deep into fundamentals

do a basic python run through

and then start making projects

[spiral kelp]

Bro imagine he asks his interviewer what’s a class

[wheat comet]

i know a person that got their first internship

they were asked 3 questions

like

whats azure

whats agile

and something else i forgot

they said idk to 2 questions

and answered whats agile

got the job

so

its possible

but yea do basic python, do some oop but ull get that from class, and make as many projects as u can

[spiral kelp]

He must’ve give them a hawk tuah afterwards

[leaden hinge]

me? 💀 who

[wheat comet]

i swear 😭

[leaden hinge]

@spiral kelp that roadmap.sh website good to follow once im done up to ch18 yep

for full stack

then just follow that to a T and grind yessir

[wheat comet]

that roadmap's resources r way too indepth for your timeframe i believe

watch youtube videos

[leaden hinge]

yikes yea i only have from now till December

because apparently thats when u apply for summer 2025 internships

and i need a summer one 😭

or i graduate with 0 internships gg

[spiral kelp]

Just finish fundamentals, learn basic css html js and then watch utube for crud app tutorial

[leaden hinge]

y watch yt

[spiral kelp]

If i grad with 0 internship i would kms no joke

Ur future over

[leaden hinge]

☠️

[spiral kelp]

Build a crud app along with the utube tut for crud app

[wheat comet]

cuz its faster than reading urself

[azure junco]

unironically if you can delay your degree to 3 years I would

[spiral kelp]

^^

[azure junco]

give yourself the opportunity to get another internship

[wheat comet]

watch someshit like this cuz u need it :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLRL_NcnK-4

[leaden hinge]

im doing java

[spiral kelp]

Bro where did u interview that gave u a sys des? For ng?

[wheat comet]

and then watch some shit like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0exw-9YJBo&list=PLTMNWTDdd5z_CtvbzG6r1f4hjnCaphPTV

[leaden hinge]

cuz of some courses only being offered 1 sem a year i would need 3 conseructive internships or else im wasting time not employed and not finishing courses

[wheat comet]

ur learning java in class

do python and js outside of class

[leaden hinge]

wtf everyone says different things 😭

[azure junco]

intern at [redacted]

[leaden hinge]

@spiral kelp

i should be ahead of java class tbf

[wheat comet]

time is ur main constraint

[leaden hinge]

yep

[azure junco]

this sounds harsh but I think it's necessary, if you graduate without the skills needed to land a job you will be unemployed. once you graduate it is 100x harder to get a job than an internship. its worth 'wasting time' if it means you're not setting up your future for failure

[wheat comet]

java will take u too long to learn i think

[spiral kelp]

He needs to learn it still for springboot

[leaden hinge]

i think worst case if i dont get a job right out of school ill just work in Civil Eng and keep applying and working on the side

on CS

[azure junco]

like there's a reason most people take 4-6 years for their cs degree unless they have prior experience or are going into research (masters/PhD)

[leaden hinge]

and eventually jump back into CS

[spiral kelp]

Just delay graduation

[wheat comet]

he can learn it in class i dont think he has the skills to be able to learn on his own at this point

either u delay grad

[leaden hinge]

ive been in school for 4 years already

😭

[azure junco]

the issue is that eventually will never happen

[leaden hinge]

why

[magic cave]

Oh

[wheat comet]

or 14 hour python video + 4 hours of some crud video + however much time it takes for u to understand the stuff in the videos

[spiral kelp]

Ima spend 6 yrs in uni total?

[azure junco]

getting a job as a new grad is infinitely times harder than an intern

[magic cave]

I thought you were a kid

[spiral kelp]

For internship

[leaden hinge]

im 22

i just graduated civil engineering 2020-2024 now im in my 2nd degree

[spiral kelp]

I’m 21 ima grad at 23

Just delay grad

[leaden hinge]

yea ig otta d o this

[magic cave]

I'm graduating at 21 lmao

[spiral kelp]

Dang u must’ve done summer internship

I’m trying to do loo

[magic cave]

I think CS is really reliant on solving your own problems

You can't just ask Discord for everything

[wheat comet]

if the real Andre was here he couldve guided you

[leaden hinge]

is an internship more important for you to actually learn things or to land a new grad job

[magic cave]

Need to learn how to Google

[leaden hinge]

dont say both

[spiral kelp]

Job

[leaden hinge]

[magic cave]

Classes are more important for theory

[spiral kelp]

No internship no job

[magic cave]

Internships are more important to get more jobs

[leaden hinge]

kk

[spiral kelp]

If u have no internship u might as well go into retail

[magic cave]

I agree

[magic cave]

Same with projects

[leaden hinge]

i have a civil eng degree lol ill go do that

[azure junco]

samesies

[leaden hinge]

worst case

[spiral kelp]

Do u have Civ Eng internships

[leaden hinge]

ye 1

[azure junco]

Job

[leaden hinge]

i got contacted by civil recruiters even but i had to tell em im in school cant work

civil is always easy to get jobs

always

[spiral kelp]

Cs no internship = gender studies

[magic cave]

But also you talk so anxiously for someone with a degree already

[azure junco]

I know a number of ppl who did retail for like 5+ years after their degree because they didn't do any internships

Unironically

They couldn't find any new grad jobs

[leaden hinge]

its because my CS degree is accelerated and i want to get into the CS field but i only have 1 opportunity for internships

[spiral kelp]

It’s Canada always doing construction

[spiral kelp]

It’s on them tbh u could maybe do masters then get internship

[leaden hinge]

my coop was as a quality control technician

we worked on highway 401 for one proj

ripped out the asphalt

repaved

at night

[spiral kelp]

U r the reason 401 is always packed

[leaden hinge]

😂

HAHAHA

[spiral kelp]

Doing construction on 401 should be death penalty

[leaden hinge]

we only did during night

[soft heron]

Anyone got super.com interview experience?

[azure junco]

Wait so then what does a civil engineer actually do

[leaden hinge]

wym

[azure junco]

I assume you're not the labourer that dug out and repaved the asphalt

[leaden hinge]

civil is so broad

[azure junco]

Did you plan it

[magic cave]

Concrete ratios

🤑

[leaden hinge]

so i was a technican not even an engineer we basiaclly did tests on samples

[azure junco]

Interesting

[leaden hinge]

like to make sure the asphalt we are putting down

has the correct Air void % for ideal performance

[azure junco]

Civil engineering seems so much more fulfilling than swe ngl

[leaden hinge]

its amazing

[azure junco]

Unless you're like building planes or working in healthcare

[spiral kelp]

Just do that tbh no stress for lc, job apps, changing frameworks

[leaden hinge]

i love civil eng so much

but idk not as much earning potential

you need 10+ years to make 100k

[spiral kelp]

Go live in Nova Scotia then

70k there is like royalty

[azure junco]

Can't you start a consultancy and bill the government millions

[leaden hinge]

eh idk lol

[azure junco]

For civil engineering consulting

[spiral kelp]

It’s Canada Trudeau only spends money for corpos

[leaden hinge]

i find civil engineering to be a fascinating science

[azure junco]

Living along the coast and eating lobster all day 🙏

[azure junco]

Exactly, create a civil engineering corporation

[leaden hinge]

water/wasterwater , transportation, construciton, stuctural, environmental

theres so much

over the years ive always seen civil engs complaining on reddit wanting to switch and jump into CS

(although tbf all the happy civils arent complaining on reddit and like their job/pay lol)

[azure junco]

Ngl at my last internship one of my coworkers was a civil engineer who switched into swe

[leaden hinge]

i can literally within a week prolly get a civil eng new grad job for 60k USD which is 80k cad

cuz im from windsor

just work in michigan drive over and bnack each day

which isnt bad as a fall back

[azure junco]

why don't you do that

if you think you'll be making 150k cad as a new grad in Canada you are severely mistaken

[leaden hinge]

beacuse if i were to like plan out a pay progression graph over the next 20 years of my career in either field

CS woudl start off lower pay

but increase so much more ideally by job hopping

whereas civil wil barely move at all

[azure junco]

I know tons of people with 20+ yoe in swe making 100k-120k

[leaden hinge]

yikes

wow

that even makes my buddy in sarnia who just got his job for 59k look amazing lol

for civil

sorry?

[spiral kelp]

Banks?

[azure junco]

And small businesses

And telecom

Basically everything Canadian

[spiral kelp]

Bell pays u that lil?

[azure junco]

Probably

Idk about specifically bell

[leaden hinge]

what u guys think of civil

[azure junco]

Civil engineering is a real job

[leaden hinge]

although they always say the grass is greener on the other side 🤣

[azure junco]

Writing words on a computer is not a real job

[leaden hinge]

does it matter what a real job is if the job gives you enough money to escape the job rat race and have freedom in the form of time

idk

[azure junco]

I mean

[leaden hinge]

no right or wrong answer

maybe job satisfication is higher in civil? because of tangible results?

[azure junco]

A lot of Money without purpose is worse than aa regular amount of money with purpose

[leaden hinge]

do u think civils would feel much more happy wiuth job satisfaction than CS

oh yeah the remote aspect

thats a huge thing

you dont need licensing for CS

in Engineering we are somewhat bound geographically by a regulatory body etc

and lesser remote opportunties

[zinc knot]

Who else got hubspot oa

[magic cave]

Not at all

Many CS people are not satisfied

[magic cave]

This is actually a bad thing

[leaden hinge]

hm yea competition ig

[magic cave]

Because it means you compete with bootcampers

[leaden hinge]

anyone can come in

[leaden hinge]

hm reread what i said i was asking if they think civil is more happy with their job than CS

Yea idk man worst case civil is my safety net

and its a pretty damn good one

any economic downturn , recssion or whatever , civil still hires

no issues

[weak gazelle]

Yea it means anyone in any corner of the world can do the same job

[leaden hinge]

there'll def be some CS students who graduate unemployed and have to put fries in the bag at mcd 💀

[weak gazelle]

And that’s what’s happening rn with all the outsourcing

[leaden hinge]

yep double edged sword

you can work remotely anywhere in the world but then they can outsource your job for a fraction of the pay lol

so in a way its a double edged sword for civil too then

atleast u have security but you are kinda tied up to that country

[weak gazelle]

No civil can’t be offshored lol

[leaden hinge]

yeah

[weak gazelle]

U can’t tho

Canadian tech jobs paying Canadian wages won’t allow you to be remote from anywhere in the world

[leaden hinge]

how about US

[weak gazelle]

You have to be in Canada the majority of the time

[weak gazelle]

Quite rare

[leaden hinge]

ah ok

whatcha think of civil vs cs?

just curious

civil would be perfect honestly if pay progression was better

[weak gazelle]

CS scope is wayyyyy larger so it depends on what ur looking for

[leaden hinge]

just like how the civil industry is slow and stagnant many times, not innovative, same with pay lol

[weak gazelle]

Scope is larger but competition is a lot more too

Specifically cuz of the remote thing

[leaden hinge]

yea

and its to be seen how many CS jobs get outsourced to other countries idk

[analog current]

anyone heard back from pinterest

[leaden hinge]

why

[hot rapids]

We’re the outsource

[lapis tide]

why tf would you want canadian wages

[leaden hinge]

who what

im not informed about this stuff xD

[lapis tide]

🫵

[leaden hinge]

oh

no one knows but do you guys think the US will keep outsourcing jobs in the future

and US pay will drop ? or

[magic cave]

Looks really long

[azure junco]

All top paying companies in Canada are American

Consider that

[magic cave]

Can you tell me if it's over or not

[wild flicker]

are jobs outside of software engineering also stupidly saturated?

[lapis tide]

what about shopify (s tier)

[azure junco]

It's cheaper for us companies to pay above market Canadian wages than it is to pay regular wages in the us

[wild flicker]

like worst case scenerio cant cs grads still get an analyst job at a decent company

[lapis tide]

you are a company?

[leaden hinge]

still in the CS field u mean yea

[lapis tide]

you speak for all companies?

[azure junco]

Yes

[wild flicker]

yea

wealth simple?

[hot rapids]

Some companies don’t care, rather pay you more and be in a hub city

[wild flicker]

idk any other besides those 2 lol

[lapis tide]

guys what is good canada ng tc

[wild flicker]

minimum wage

[lapis tide]

got offer for 25k

[wild flicker]

jk id say around 60-80k

sad if true

cuz thats like one of the only better known canadian tech companies IIRC

why is shopify hiring so many interns in 2025?

[hot rapids]

Will robinhood give free cdn trades too?

[wild flicker]

being in tech makes me want to die

[leaden hinge]

u guys think this is just a cyclical time for the CS market and the doom and gloom will pass on over and be forgotten? or are there actualy bigger issues

[wild flicker]

no i dont think its going to get better anytime soon

infact i think it will get much worse

i mean that makes logical sense

[leaden hinge]

damn lol

@safe light CS grads potentialyl cooked rn?

[wild flicker]

#1 you start off with a lower salary and maybe no salary at all

but the trade off is, you're competing in a much more competitive market so the people who last will be better devs

[leaden hinge]

💀

well that turned morbid fast

[noble field]

Just don’t be weak

[hot rapids]

Yeah the standard for the average applicant is much higher now too

[leaden hinge]

im a mickey dev

[wild flicker]

we're heading into a recession tho right? so its gonna get worse for us in the short term

[lunar estuary]

yo guys is not uploading a cover letter an automatic rejection?

[leaden hinge]

TBD

[noble field]

We’ve been in one

[hot rapids]

Everyone knows LC, Jake’s, hackathons, many projects

[wild flicker]

not at all

[wild flicker]

by definition we're still not in a recession i believe

[noble field]

On it boss

[leaden hinge]

Cuz they change the definition

LMAO

[lunar estuary]

great, fucking hated that for finance

[hot rapids]

Yeah all the brain drain talent leaves Canada

Canada is subsidized education for US labour force

[noble field]

If they want people to stay here they gotta improve our god awful cities

[wild flicker]

and fix the housing crisis

[leaden hinge]

do u guys think having a degree in civil eng would be good or bad on a resume when i have my cs degree and am potentially appyling for CS jobs out of school (not internships)

[hot rapids]

Seattle is literally scum of the earth

[noble field]

Not ttrue

We’re so behind

[leaden hinge]

i could see employers viewing it both good or bad

[noble field]

Not sf

But nyc

[wild flicker]

its a good thing

[hot rapids]

Vancouver >>>>> Seattle any day

[weak gazelle]

This is literally false

[noble field]

NYC is so cracked

[weak gazelle]

You see many staff+ Eng positions being outsourced

[leaden hinge]

maybe some where down the line it could help me

[wild flicker]

u graduated from civil end then went into cs?

[weak gazelle]

And in other countries they can pay less than half of what they would pay in the US

India

[wild flicker]

eng*

[leaden hinge]

yes getting a CS degree now that takes 16months

[wild flicker]

masters?

[hot rapids]

When they can’t get H1b, they work in Canada

[weak gazelle]

Literally tons of them lmao

[wild flicker]

or accelerated bachelors?

[leaden hinge]

Bachelors honours

accel

[wild flicker]

thats badass

good stuff

[weak gazelle]

??? What

[leaden hinge]

thx but i barely know how to make a for loop rn

😂

[wild flicker]

its okay, no one does

[weak gazelle]

They used to move to the US so the companies just kept all jobs in the US

[leaden hinge]

LOL

[hybrid owl]

life story was weird

idk

[azure junco]

im going to the us

bye everyone

[hybrid owl]

meta vancouver office exists specifically for this lol

[leaden hinge]

in hindsight electrical eng wouldve been more transferrable skills in a way and looked better in combination with CS rather than Civil Eng but anyway

[azure junco]

👋

[azure junco]

Every big tech office in Canada is for h1b failures

[weak gazelle]

My friend is senior SWE at Google, first was at Sunnyvale, then moved to Toronto cuz of visa reasons, the chances of company sponsoring L1 is literally declining fast

Cuz they can just keep the talent in the same country

[wild flicker]

its okay bro ur on the right track

[weak gazelle]

Why would they wanna move talent to a much more expensive country for no reason

[leaden hinge]

yessir im trying

[hot rapids]

They want ppl in the offices

[weak gazelle]

And will move to India at director position

[hot rapids]

Like no cap, I begged for Vancouver and they forced me to Us

[weak gazelle]

They’re outsourcing HQs to India

[wild flicker]

which company?

[azure junco]

Is the whole stereotype about USA/Canadian educated swes being the best not accurate anymore?

[weak gazelle]

You said look at internal transfer rates

That’s literally declining for the past decade

[wild flicker]

idk but at my uni the best programmers are international students lmao

[hot rapids]

Those NA-China teams at tik tok and msft have pretty poor quality of life

Bad meeting times

[noble field]

You can find a balance

[weak gazelle]

This is literally why i said they’re outsourcing HQs too

He is moving to India

[wild flicker]

lmaoooo

[azure junco]

The funniest part is that these companies are the biggest in the USA.... If all of these companies move hiring to India then people in the USA/Canada will be poorer on average, meaning they won't spend money on bs stuff which is exactly how tech companies make money. It hurts them in the long run

But investors love short term gains

For long term failures

[weak gazelle]

Do u rlly think tech people are the ones majorly driving tech company revenue

[wild flicker]

it also gives a ton of leverage to india. if our swes are shit cuz we have no experience then india is just going to use that to their advantage when tech companeis become desperate again

[weak gazelle]

The executives will stay over in the US lol

[azure junco]

Obviously not but it'll have a butterfly effect

[weak gazelle]

It’s what happened with manufacturing

[wild flicker]

we do a great job at marketing their services and products

[weak gazelle]

Only C-suite and a bit lower than that will stay over in the US

Prob some principle Eng, very senior Eng people

[azure junco]

Yep, and why would the smartest people continue improving companies internationally when they can start building up their own companies? (like tata, witch etc)

[wild flicker]

thats why we need laws that limit the amount of work that a company can outsource

train ur local talent

[weak gazelle]

He is not going to do that, he’s decided he will move to India after he gets a promo to staff

Because of heavy core outsourcing to India

Also Google would MUCH rather he do that

Than move back to the US

[wild flicker]

why?

[weak gazelle]

Way cheaper for them lol

[azure junco]

Save money

[wild flicker]

oh right

[weak gazelle]

Same talent

At much much lower cost

[azure junco]

They save an immediate 50% or so

[wild flicker]

google pays by location even if they start off at US? like for example if he initially got hired for US and had to relocate to india they'll dump his comp?

[azure junco]

But also this is kinda backfiring cause aren't salaries in Bengaluru really quickly approaching salaries in Canada?

[weak gazelle]

Yea

[wild flicker]

thats fucked

[azure junco]

Since it's getting so competitive there

[weak gazelle]

He got a 60-ish percent drop for the SAME role when he had to relocate to Toronto

From Sunnyvale

[wild flicker]

but i guess it makes sense

[weak gazelle]

And here’s the thing

[wild flicker]

what

[weak gazelle]

His org is open source

It’s all hosted on GitHub

[wild flicker]

damn

[azure junco]

Bro is on the tensorflow team

[weak gazelle]

He works on gVisor

So there’s 0 change to what he does lmao

Just 60 percent pay cut

[azure junco]

can you tell him to tell the grpc team to please make tools that don't segfault 🙏

[wild flicker]

does the opposite also apply tho? like if he chooses to go back to US and they choose to keep him on will his comp get bumped back up?

[azure junco]

Yes

[wild flicker]

well i guess thats fair then

[azure junco]

But they might not approve that move lol

I've heard at zon they only do that for like l6+

so you need to be relatively senior

[weak gazelle]

They wont approve the move

Internal transfers from an offshored office to the US are rlly rare

Now

They used to be very common

What if ur L7 moved to India

[wild flicker]

so when do you think we're going to get jobs again? 🙃

[leaden hinge]

Do US companies hire easily under a TN visa assuming you’re a good applicant or nah

[weak gazelle]

Some top tier companies do

[fresh fog]

never

[wild flicker]

odds r they wont

[leaden hinge]

How about the mid tier ?

[weak gazelle]

Nope

[leaden hinge]

And below

[weak gazelle]

Very rare

[wild flicker]

😦

[weak gazelle]

I mean if ur a genius SWE then sure

[hot rapids]

TN seems pretty common, a lot of new grads working in US with it from my school

[weak gazelle]

Yea but aren’t u at faang

Equivalent

Or smth

[hot rapids]

Not really

[weak gazelle]

Cap

It’s def a good company

[hot rapids]

But I’m just saying from my school in general, lots of TN

[leaden hinge]

Is it easy to get into the automotive companies as a SWE or was it before atleast

Like ford

[wild flicker]

its not easy to get into any company at the moment

[weak gazelle]

Loo

Kekw

Loo is acc an exception

[hot rapids]

Naw west coast

Lots of msft

[weak gazelle]

UBC

Based

Oh bruh

Ofc msft would do TN

[hot rapids]

Lots of Tesla too, for engineering

They do TN even for intern

[weak gazelle]

I can tell u prob like < 5 percent of companies do TN
Ppl just look at some of top ones which almost always do TN

[wild flicker]

wow

[weak gazelle]

There’s also a wayyy more SWE talent in India than in Canada

Compare to the US

[leaden hinge]

I thought Indian devs got Pennies in comparison that’s why US jobs were being outsourced there, no?

[hot rapids]

Bro pulled out the rupees 😭

[wild flicker]

bro im moving to india

wtf

[leaden hinge]

Bruh

[wild flicker]

if that info is true then 100% they do

[weak gazelle]

Nah Indian top tech pays rlly well, has started to pay rlly well

[leaden hinge]

At all levels?

[wild flicker]

cost of living is pretty much free in india

[weak gazelle]

That’s literally the reason ppl don’t move as much anymore to the US

And companies can just outsource

[wild flicker]

bro lets go saturate tf out of india

[hot rapids]

But India pipeline is so hard

Like way harder

[weak gazelle]

Kekw

[leaden hinge]

LOL

[hot rapids]

You need to be competitive programming god to do India hiring pipeline

[leaden hinge]

At the new grad or mid level do they get low pay

[weak gazelle]

Indian SWEs next gonna be replaced by Vietnamese

[wild flicker]

LOOOOOOL

[hot rapids]

Probs gonna be Brazil

[violet glacier]

anyone heard back from shopify after references?

[leaden hinge]

I heard someone from my uni saying yesterday around 8pm they got the offer

[wild flicker]

if they asked u for references u got the job unless ur reference fucked u over

u should be chilling give it some time

[violet glacier]

alright

anyone know how much time they give to accept?

and can i move this from winter to summer lmao

[hot rapids]

Some sde1 can reach $200k here

[wild flicker]

probably

[hot rapids]

But rare af

[wild flicker]

not sure

[violet glacier]

they're hiring 1000 interns

[wild flicker]

also they asked u for 2 references right?

[leaden hinge]

Wtf

[violet glacier]

if they say they can't move that would be so sad

[violet glacier]

yeah

[leaden hinge]

1000? For winter ?

[wild flicker]

i think ur odds r good

[violet glacier]

no 2025

[wild flicker]

1 manager 1 coworker?

[wild flicker]

2025

[leaden hinge]

When do summer apps open

[wild flicker]

acros 3 offices

for shopify?

[leaden hinge]

Yeah

[weak gazelle]

What

[wild flicker]

u missed it

[leaden hinge]

Really

[weak gazelle]

Not even close lol

[wild flicker]

yea

[violet glacier]

yes but i dont think that matters. i submitted 3 just so that i'd meet their deadline

[wild flicker]

oh sorry

i thought u meant winter

summer idk

[violet glacier]

uh

[wild flicker]

ahh i see

[leaden hinge]

Did you have a previous internship

[wild flicker]

i saw a very wide range like anywhere from 26 - 52 an hour

[violet glacier]

uh

wtf

[leaden hinge]

I’m cooked

[weak gazelle]

@safe light literally show me just one data point where that’s true lmfao

[leaden hinge]

I need my first

[wild flicker]

what year r u?

[leaden hinge]

2nd sem /5 for an accelerated degree

[violet glacier]

that's crazy. so they're open to negotiating ig?

[wild flicker]

for you yea, u seem like a catch

[leaden hinge]

Summer only time I can intern cuz courses all online

[fresh fog]

masters student ?

[weak gazelle]

Prob Less than 1 percent of SWE entry level jobs pay 195k CAD in MTL LMFAO

[wild flicker]

nice nice

summer has the most jobs so u should be fine

[violet glacier]

no

[leaden hinge]

Really? Someone said summer is hardest

And fall winter easy

[wild flicker]

it has the most applicants but also the most jobs

[wild flicker]

in my experience fall is the hardest

[weak gazelle]

[hot rapids]

I love Canada, US sucks you can get shot

[fresh fog]

yeah less than .1% even

[wild flicker]

cuz thats the only term i couldnt land something lol

[hot rapids]

Being dead is 0 TC

[leaden hinge]

I want anything I’d be over the moon with a big bank offer

[weak gazelle]

That’s prob in USD

[wild flicker]

banks r hard to get especially for first internship

just be happy with anything for ur first

[leaden hinge]

Rip

[wild flicker]

bank is doable for like ur 2nd one

[hot rapids]

Yeah if you convert that to cad probs looks right

[wild flicker]

1st one if ur lucky

[hot rapids]

Google Canada is pretty low I think

[wild flicker]

my brother landed a bank for his 3rd internship

[weak gazelle]

Depends lol I’ve seen 120k NG pay for google

Levels

[leaden hinge]

For the first internship is there anything kinda half well known that’s easy ish to get too? I mean I shouldn’t be picky I don’t have a single project on many GitHub because I can’t even make a project yet

Anywhere in Canada

[weak gazelle]

And also i think I’ve seen ppl mention it before in this server

[wild flicker]

nope

[hot rapids]

Nothing is easy to get nowadays dawg

[wild flicker]

also u can def make a project

ur overestimating how hard it is to make a project

[hot rapids]

Even school clubs are competitive af

[leaden hinge]

Wtf lol

[hot rapids]

But I would recommend MLH fellowship for sure

For some experience

[leaden hinge]

Can you explain that in a nutshell I was kinda confused does that go on a resume

[hot rapids]

Yeah, it’s like a mini internship

[leaden hinge]

I don’t wanna make it big

[wild flicker]

wdym?

[leaden hinge]

Atleast not that big with an app or whatever with users

I guess

I just don’t know anything tho

I can’t even make a tic tac toe rn best I can do is a command line calculator proj with the 4 basic operations lol

[leaden hinge]

Is that easy to get atleast lol

[hot rapids]

Not easy, you gotta have projects

[leaden hinge]

Is it actually not too hard to go from the fundamentals of a language to making smth like a CRUD app

[leaden hinge]

😭😭😭😭😭😭

There’s always a catch

[hot rapids]

Dude this is not an easy career nowadays

You gotta be ahead of your peers

And do a lot of self learning

I’ve told you about the full stack road map alr

You could’ve finished parts of it alr

[leaden hinge]

Yeah the issue with that is idk the fundamentals yet

I should do that first yea

For a language Java in my case

I was thinking do chapter problems for fundamentals then do the roadmap is that good @hot rapids

I’m in a 2nd accelerated degree 2nd sem technically /5

Me? Who what

[hot rapids]

I personally think CS fundamentals not that good as your first focus, honestly just start watching a tutorial or doing a road map, in my opinion

You don’t need to learn algos from your textbook

Best advice is to just get started tinkering

[leaden hinge]

Not even algos I mean like hashmaps fileio loops methods classes etc

[hot rapids]

Textbook isn’t tinkering imo

[leaden hinge]

This is my 5th year in school or else I would delay my grad and what not

[spiral kelp]

Ur telling him to start working on projects when he has trouble with for loop

[leaden hinge]

And while loop

Don’t get me started on the do while and the others

Yeah so how do I learn to code

💀💀💀

Officially enrolled this fall but 1 semester I did in my previous degree

Technically 2nd

[hot rapids]

I still don’t think the textbook is an effective way to learn how to code

Just watch a YouTube video 😭

[leaden hinge]

Intro course was C I understood the even and odd stuff and some recursion stuff

Yeah

💀💀💀💀💀

[spiral kelp]

💀

Ur cooked

[leaden hinge]

Yeah I stopped doing that

[spiral kelp]

Go back to Civ

[leaden hinge]

BRO CHILL I STOPPED

I JUST DID A STACK ADT IMPLEMENTATION ON AN ARRAY MY SRLF

[spiral kelp]

Canada needs more constructions go back to mixing concretes

[leaden hinge]

The technicians do that not us engineers

[wild flicker]

dont get overwhelmed

just start working on stuff

[leaden hinge]

I’m a civil engineer

[weak gazelle]

based REAL ENGINEER

BASED

[wild flicker]

and eventually things will start making sense

[leaden hinge]

Ok buddy

💀💀💀💀😭😭😭

[weak gazelle]

we finally have a real engineer amongst us

[leaden hinge]

No

[hot rapids]

Problem is, he said his only internship slot is the coming summer

Which is why I said to start doing projects

Alongside courses

[leaden hinge]

Nah although there’s many in civil who wanna get into CS it seems

[wild flicker]

now that u mention it i think i remember reading that post too

[leaden hinge]

I’ve read dozens of those posts

[spiral kelp]

Watch a 30 min cs fund utube video and hope for best

[leaden hinge]

I understand for loops I’m jk

I even understand the odd and even stuff yk

/2== 0 and the % 10 for last digit

Is that some progress

[wild flicker]

yea it is

[leaden hinge]

I’m sure you can solve some basic LC with that

[wild flicker]

everyones starts there

[leaden hinge]

That’s basically where I am at

/2 != 0

[wild flicker]

%2

[cold viper]

cracked

[leaden hinge]

💀💀💀💀

Oh yeah

Fuck it I’m gonna put the fries in the bag boys

[cold viper]

just put the bags in the fry lil bro

[leaden hinge]

Get in line

😭😭😭

[hot rapids]

You gotta be trolling us man 😭

[leaden hinge]

How am I trolling

Bruh chill in just starting off

[cold viper]

u shouldnt even be allowed to change degree if u havent gone through the basics

idk how it is in us

[leaden hinge]

It’s not a change

[ivory pond]

Cracked

[leaden hinge]

So uh guys now that we have established my lack of programming fundamentals

And largely inability to begin with projects

Where do I start

Need honest advice

Not the McD part

💀

[ivory pond]

McDonald’s

[cold viper]

code a compiler

[weak gazelle]

u can either start at smth lilke roadmap.sh or wait for openAI o2 to release so that SWE is no longer a thing

[leaden hinge]

I’ll run back to civil Eng then

Take my 80k cad 0YOE and call it a day

I gotta be able to make a CRUD project or similar by December

So I can apply for summer 2025 internships anywhere in Canada

[cold viper]

learn spaghetti code

its tasty

[hot rapids]

You need 3-4 of those by Dec 😭

[leaden hinge]

True true

[cold viper]

use nested for loops

[hot rapids]

If you’re targeting summer

[leaden hinge]

Yes

I know nested for loops

[cold viper]

try to write your algos in n factorial complexity

[leaden hinge]

0(n^2)

Stacks worst case is O(n)

Push pop top methods are constant

[cold viper]

always use object as return type

[leaden hinge]

Bruh chill I just learned that

Mfs think I’m trolling

This is all I know

[hot rapids]

There you go, you know enough to start roadmap sh

Why are you lying about not knowing loops 😭

[leaden hinge]

Yes it’s 0 1

O

[cold viper]

try to make your code less readable by humans and more readable by computers so there are good bugs in the code

[leaden hinge]

I just mean loops can be kinda tricky in all honestly like the asterisk patterns and sometimes it’s not simply i++ yk

I’m just not familiar with all that

The simple stuff like i=0; i<n; i++ i know

[cold viper]

W

[leaden hinge]

Is that W

[cold viper]

Yes

[leaden hinge]

@hot rapids is my case looking better than before

[cold viper]

now apply that knowledge to writing ur own compiler ( dont use google or AI )

[leaden hinge]

Nah I’m putting the fries in the bag

[cold viper]

Less compeition for us, good 👍

[leaden hinge]

Normal for classes and objects and everything to be confusing ye

New grad I want50-60 CAD

5 years in I want 120-150 that’s when I wanna get into a bigger tech company if I can I’ll grind my ass off if I have to, but yea

10 years idk 200

Oh yeah I mean USD for the 5+ years

But new grad 50-60k cad

I live in Windsor I border the US

I wanna work in Michigan

Depends if they wanna gimme a TN or not

@safe light don’t give the advice based off my pay just give advice with this in mind. I have from now till December to be able to make 3-4 solid projects to land a summer 25 internship

What do I do now

[misty sapphire]

average swe experience in detroit 💻 🔫 💥 🛡️

[leaden hinge]

Yeah notice how I said Michigan

[misty sapphire]

why tf u wanna work in michigan out of all of US 😭

[leaden hinge]

So I can drive home everyday

[ivory pond]

It’s not

[leaden hinge]

I border Michigan

10min drive

No

Dec2025

[hot rapids]

You have to have a residence in the state for tax reasons

[leaden hinge]

No you dont if you have a TN

many people I know drive over the border everyday from Windsor work in Michigan drive back home

Residing in Windsor

[hot rapids]

I think you can drive home but don’t you need a Us address?

[misty sapphire]

so if you live in canada and get a USD salary..

[leaden hinge]

Idk their primary address is Windsor

Afaik

[wild flicker]

oh nice thats probably when ill graduate too

[leaden hinge]

Noice

@safe light do you have that advice by chance

I need to improve I’m a mickey dev rn

I can’t even say dev

I can’t worry about too long from now I just need to know what to do from now till December when it’s time to apply for summer internships

[wild flicker]

dont be so hard on urself, if u finished an eng degree then ur obviously competent. itll take time but eventually things that sound like gibberish rn will start to make sense. dont try to rush it, people at ur age will already have years of experience, ur just getting started so theres gonna be an adjustment period.

start working on ur portfolio

so u can build ur resume and have talking points during ur interviews

[leaden hinge]

Do I just start with any project and build up to CRUD ?

[wild flicker]

once u get that first internship ur second will be much easier and it will build off eachother

[wild flicker]

yea sure, the most important part is just getting started with anything

you dont need the most optimal plan

just get some momentum by doing something

[misty sapphire]

do you go to UW?

[leaden hinge]

Please don’t tell me that’s Waterloo

[hot rapids]

They need the most optimal plan because his one and only internship is summer 2025

[misty sapphire]

i mean windsor

[leaden hinge]

Yes

[leaden hinge]

^^^^^^^^^

I need a perfect plan

[hot rapids]

That’s why I’ve been giving them optimal shit

[leaden hinge]

That a mickey dev can follow

[hot rapids]

And not steady plans

[leaden hinge]

Why ask ?

[wild flicker]

yea thats fair but u can also just take a term off if needed and do an internship during another term right?

or does ur program not work like that

[misty sapphire]

dont you have career fair or other networking oppertunities there?

[leaden hinge]

Uh last I heard our coop department burnt bridges acording to someone on Reddit

In CS

lmfao

[wild flicker]

darn

[leaden hinge]

And our university website says we have connections in big companies

And they deadass say

Like IBM and BlackBerry

[wild flicker]

ibm and blackberry r elite

[misty sapphire]

lol good one

[wild flicker]

u dont think so?

[misty sapphire]

ibm yes, blackberry qnx is dogshit

[leaden hinge]

Sounds good I’ll just DM ty and good luck

[wild flicker]

why is blackberry bad?

[hot rapids]

Bad leadership, seniors who don’t give a fck

[wild flicker]

no i didnt

[hot rapids]

Abusuve lowkey

[leaden hinge]

Stock price isn’t always indicative of company performance

But in this case I think it is

[hot rapids]

Which one, wasn’t there two that came out close together 😭

[wild flicker]

dont you think blackberry would be a good stepping stone tho especially for an internship?

[leaden hinge]

It would be amazing

[wild flicker]

well known company and shows that ur competent to future employers

[leaden hinge]

But I can’t get a coop through the school

Cuz of my program being accelerated

[hot rapids]

You can bro, lots of ppl in my program do

[leaden hinge]

And also I can’t really take a term off because it messes up my entire sequencing my only option would be the summer since all my courses are online

[leaden hinge]

No it’s cuz of my degree I’m not allowed to apply even

[misty sapphire]

have you tried cold messageing people on linkedin, not recruiters (they barely response) but more so seniors/engineering managers? Try this to like 5-6 people on linkedin all the companies you wanna work at, I guarantee you'll at least get 1 interview

They are often willing to hear out and offer interviews if they are hiring. Expicially for internships (Dont expect the same for new grad or entry level)

[leaden hinge]

Since it’s not the 4 year degree and it’s accelerated

[leaden hinge]

I don’t have a single project made so I gotta do that first

I can’t make a tic tac toe or hangman program rn

@hot rapids full stack roadmap my best bet?

[misty sapphire]

from a friend worked that worked there

[hot rapids]

I’ve heard the same from lots of ppl

[misty sapphire]

Do this in PARALLEL, whats the worst that can happen?

[wild flicker]

oh yea odinproject is fire

[leaden hinge]

2 years ago I tried TOP made the recipe project lol and just stopped

Yeah

I wish I stuck with it

ok boys so deadass if i just grind out TOP am i looking in good shape

should i do TOP or CS50

if my goal is to be able to have 3 solid projects like a CRUD app and 2 other things

by December

Hello i dont even know what OOP is and im learning java in school i think im not ready for that yet

[hot rapids]

No stop saying you’re not ready 😭

Just do it

Doing is best

[leaden hinge]

wtf start a CRUD app noww

?

[hot rapids]

I don’t see why not man

[leaden hinge]

welp

[misty sapphire]

BRO IM TRYING TO HELP THIS GUY AND HE IS REFUSING 😭

bro needs to change his whole midset..

[unborn compass]

anyone do robinhood ng final?

[misty sapphire]

have recruiter call tomorrow

[tender coral]

Bro it's actually just get to building bro

You don

[cold viper]

IS THE 2ND POINT TRUE CHAT?

[unborn compass]

oh shit I just had mine today

[tender coral]

You don't need to be at a certain comptency level to do anything just get started

[tender coral]

What did they ask?

[misty sapphire]

is it like the google prep call or does it actually impact me moving on?

[unborn compass]

Talking about past experience

[unborn compass]

felt pretty casual, not sure if it impacts too much? Have not done google prep call so idk

[misty sapphire]

ah okay

[tender coral]

Anything else I should prepare for bro?

What did they ask during call?

[misty sapphire]

assuming they may ask about stuff on your resume

so be ready to answer those?

[tender coral]

Ah I see thank you!

[leaden hinge]

Ye

kk whatcha got

i just need to get started lmao with whatever i do tbh

think thats the biggest thing

i wanna end up in FAANG but ik it will take me a few years longer than most potentially even i even get there

why? cant i just go to something like a bank or like legacy auto and slowly scale up yk

how about the self taught mickey devs who used to get in

bruh wtf

😔

ok look but if this is my plan do u think its still fine like

starting at some smaller company as a new grad local to the city

then something like a Ford or GM

then slowly into more fortune 500 companies

like slowly yk

summer is all i can do cuz its online for me , my degree is weird cuz accelerated

but as for the actual portfolio and resume how would you go about that

[hybrid owl]

is it a rejection if Shopify says they're gonna get back to you in a week after the life story lmao

yea idk

[leaden hinge]

@safe light i DMd if u wanna check

[kind tundra]

That's what my interviewer said and I got back in 1 day

I think it depends if ur interviewer messes with u or nah

[chrome lion]

yea it depends on the interviewer, mine said 24-48 hrs

[velvet gate]

wtf is life story

do u just tell them about ur life

[proven surge]

yo anyone here got the offer for shopify yet

[magic cave]

@glad echo did

Is that a confirmation or not

Jahsen?

Jansen Huang?

[noble field]

i miss jahseh

[wise meadow]

do rbc even let you reschedule internships?

[cinder mango]

Is RBC superior to all the other banks?

[wise meadow]

It seems pretty big and has a lot of spots ig

[leaden hinge]

Has anyone done the Freecodecamp curriculum to learn programming? even if it was a while ago. Just wondering if its good to follow and do

[wise meadow]

nah

[magic cave]

I've done it

It's fine

[leaden hinge]

good to learn ?

[magic cave]

They have capstone projects