canada

[crystal folio]

If they let me take my old offer I won’t even care enough to negotiate lol

[median vapor]

lol

[crystal folio]

I’m just doing it for fun, if not I’ll do something else

I think within Canada

It’s epic cuz it’s remote

[median vapor]

yea idrc ab states anymore

[crystal folio]

I am working in the states this summer anyway

[median vapor]

seeing ppl relocate out there n then get laid off

scaryy

[crystal folio]

So wanted to do a Canadian one

[median vapor]

i see

yea the remote is perf

my last 2 have been remote

can’t give it up now

[crystal folio]

I am leaning towards not interning in the fall anyway tbh

[median vapor]

ahh

[crystal folio]

And taking courses (not required for grad)

[median vapor]

why

if they’re not required

[magic cave]

Learning is fun

[crystal folio]

I never took Lin Alg

[median vapor]

meh

[crystal folio]

Or any ML courses

[median vapor]

i took it n hated it

[median vapor]

is that what you wanna get into

[median vapor]

perf reaction

[crystal folio]

So I hope to do that for new grad and specialize in that field

[median vapor]

i love that blue company

yea i gotta start looking for new grad

like rn actually

[crystal folio]

I’m more interested in systems level ML problems, not ML Model stuff

[median vapor]

bruh

so complex

[crystal folio]

The models are hard AF for me

[median vapor]

i just wanna type on a keyboard sometimes

[crystal folio]

And I don’t like learning or doing ML model creation

[median vapor]

i honestly don’t know the difference

and i don’t think my brain has enough storage to wanna know

[median vapor]

what do all these words mean omg

[crystal folio]

ML Infra is like GPU, Scaling Training, Scaling Inference (both Kubernetes and distributed systems heavy but applied to ML)

[median vapor]

sounds complex

[crystal folio]

As well as MLOPS which is dash boarding, metrics

[rocky thistle]

probably work on stuff like this right https://github.com/NVIDIA/Megatron-LM

sounds cool tho

distributed sys scale for ML

[median vapor]

sounds hard

[crystal folio]

Basically ML Infra/Platform makes ML tools for ML engineers so they don’t need to worry about engineering problems, only the model

[rocky thistle]

it is but way better than doing CRUD lol

[crystal folio]

It’s all CRUD

[median vapor]

this is a good q

[crystal folio]

The same way if you specialize in this or any other field yes

[rocky thistle]

oh damn really

[crystal folio]

well not entirely

[median vapor]

wow

am i cooked if i don’t specialize

[crystal folio]

Like it depends on your team within ML Infra

[crystal folio]

Very subjective but I’m starting to think more and more so

[median vapor]

hm

conflicting

[vivid fiber]

Nah

[rocky thistle]

yeah could be

[vivid fiber]

Idts

[crystal folio]

General engineers seem too replaceable these days

[rocky thistle]

but ngl ML infra can be a good field to do masters in

[median vapor]

im more cloud

[rocky thistle]

alot of oppurtunites

[median vapor]

and data

[vivid fiber]

I think weak engineers are replaceable

[rocky thistle]

cloud is all K8s

[median vapor]

everyone is replaceable

[crystal folio]

You really don’t need one tbh. It’s all engineering, the model people usually have masters

[vivid fiber]

Nah idt you need a masters

[crystal folio]

And the subject matter experts within ML Infra (very very niche experienced ml people)

[median vapor]

more school is insane 😦

[rocky thistle]

just cop good knowledge of k8s, distributes sys and other deployment stuff

[crystal folio]

Cc @torn remnant

[vivid fiber]

I dont understand this mindset

Wdym?

[crystal folio]

Nah it isn’t like that tbh

Their roles are very different

[vivid fiber]

Wdym slave lmao

[rocky thistle]

you are no way a slave bro

[crystal folio]

You make a platform for them to run their jobs

[torn remnant]

got offer for this previous winter

[rocky thistle]

yeah

[vivid fiber]

Look at OpenAI, where everyone is a slave to the product roadmap lmao

Anyway the use of the word "slave" here is weird

[idle plover]

if you sell on vest it is yeah

[median vapor]

what was ur TC (negotiated & wanna see if i did ok)

also did u work there

was it fun

[crystal folio]

He did not

[vivid fiber]

Its a job, ultimately if I'm being mistreated I will leave for a diff role

[median vapor]

idk ruby on rails

[idle plover]

you get back a lot of tax from cash bonuses when you file tax return

[median vapor]

and idc ab frontend

[vivid fiber]

So its not really slavery lol

[crystal folio]

I didn’t even know he also got an offer lol, we twinning

We are co workers

[median vapor]

wow

inevitable to become coworkers

[vivid fiber]

I'm in infra rn, and frankly I dont see it

[median vapor]

trying to find ppl who accepted fall 🫂

[vivid fiber]

I get plenty of outreach from companies for a variety of roles

From product engineering, more infra, and etc

[rocky thistle]

where?

[median vapor]

maybe they don’t care about influence ?

[vivid fiber]

Yeah idrc about influence

Also MLEs still need to make decisions and take ownership over system design

The researchers arent going to do anything but hand over the models

[median vapor]

is it that bad to not lvl up

[vivid fiber]

The MLEs need to actually take technical ownership of the deployment of models, topology of services, resource allocations, etc

I agree, but I think you're missing all the ownership opportunities for MLEs

You're saying researchers are making these infra decisions?

I frankly dont see it

I have some friends on infra teams at foundational model companies

And they are the ones making the above decisions I mentioned

Maybe its diff at Amazon

You're describing how all engineering works though?

[torn remnant]

60cad hr

I didn’t accept it

[drifting shore]

ownership

[azure junco]

i can't believe that now that andre and pork are gone this server is actually giving real advice

it's like we've entered a new era

[azure junco]

congrats on ws

[magic cave]

😂😂😂

Ok should I do 200 LC questions

Or get my ass off Discord

[barren sinew]

Why did they leave

[magic cave]

They wanted to experience the marrow of life

[magic ether]

i have a query, would you rather take gaotek leetcode bot with perfect gpa waterloo, or someone who can talk

i miss pork man

[tender coral]

Thank god bro , but his queries where kinda funny tho

[real island]

Wtfff 60/h from wealthsimple?

What did you use negotiate?

[lapis tide]

you literally get paid more

[torn remnant]

I didn't negotiatie

i know people who got 68!

it's for winter tho

how much you got?

[ivory pond]

First

[fluid harness]

what were ur stats when u got the offer?

[radiant isle]

Anyone got interview for fall ciena software engineering intern role?

[south dagger]

u got wealthsimple offer for fall?

[median vapor]

yeaa

[south dagger]

already did the interview etc.. ?

when did u apply

[median vapor]

i alr told u rmbr 😭 but thanks

i can dm my timeline

[south dagger]

i would appreciate it thanks

[analog current]

wtf Wealthsimple already gave offers out

[tender coral]

Can you DM me too bro?

[wooden lichen]

facts

[grave quest]

would appreciate this as well if possible

just would like to see the process

[real island]

Oh I didn’t get offer but just didn’t know they paid that high

[real island]

Wait did you move the offer from summer or cold applied to fall position?

[short robin]

damn that's so fast

where's my WS interview 😭

[analog current]

WS recruiter didn’t reply to my email 😔

[worldly ridge]

@magic cave Kevin how is your GF?

[magic cave]

I'm going to her convocation soon

It's at Nibi Emosaawdang Sr. Public School

[worldly ridge]

That's an elemntary school...

[ruby ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/lil-yachty-drake-oprahs-bank-account-meme-laptop-gif-20803826

[magic cave]

Aint no way

[worldly ridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18xCViqmxCs

[magic cave]

Literally does not happen

[worldly ridge]

You cant relate because you hang around in elemntary schools lmao

[magic cave]

I paid a Chinese guy $500 to file my taxes

He ain't do me wrong

[worldly ridge]

Why dont you do it yourself

[magic cave]

I watched the entire video

Poor writing

It's cathartic to mope about the bleakness of the secular world; how prices are high, wages are low, taxes are hard

But it ultimately is not productive, I would suggest you stop

The video shows a listing with a keychain that is $1.60.
The audio is "damn look at the price it's only 1.60"

"If I sell this item for 15 bucks I can have a net margin fo 13.40"

This is for kids

"let's make the website I will use HTML and CSS"

Who even does that

I get a shopify premium account for free from work

[worldly ridge]

How do I live a happy life then?

Should not us mere humans objecitvely look at the facts and resolve it?

You still live in the delusion and reminsance of elemtary school. I live and experience the brutalities and oppression of adult life with many amongst us here.

[vivid fiber]

@worldly ridge plz dont post cringe, thanks

[worldly ridge]

Happy long weekend Soulkks

[magic cave]

Brb about to join GPT5 on the front lines of freedom

[worldly ridge]

You make me happy

[magic cave]

Can you call alex up

And we all go

[worldly ridge]

alex is still in the protests lol

mans been in the camp for like 3 weeks now

[grave quest]

@worldly ridge

:3

[magic cave]

Nah this the front lines

UofT encampments are bigger

[noble field]

Are McGill encampments still going on

[worldly ridge]

hello!

[worldly ridge]

Bud you aint even in the frontlines

[worldly ridge]

Yes

Alex starte dall of this in Mcgill

[grave quest]

how are you my friernd

[worldly ridge]

very happy that tommorow is a holiday

what about you?

[grave quest]

dread

another day another rejection

but as kai said, 4.0 life awaits

[magic cave]

Just say no

What is 4.0 life

[worldly ridge]

you will land something

[worldly ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/gamer-play-pc-south-park-busy-gif-16026133

"im in the front lines"

[magic cave]

Nah I need to cook for my girlfriend first

[worldly ridge]

what is that

bread and mashed potatoes?

[wheat comet]

Why do all of you go to mcgill

What happened to the Carleton domination in cscareers canada

[worldly ridge]

yo

[wheat comet]

We never letting you go.

[magic cave]

It's yogurt chicken and yogurt naan

[wheat comet]

Yo what happened to pork

[worldly ridge]

??no way thats naan

[wheat comet]

Wtf is yogurt naan

[worldly ridge]

dude what are you eating

[magic cave]

I have to flatten it

[vivid fiber]

QueensU dominates cscd

[worldly ridge]

he dleeted his discord

[magic cave]

Bro has never cooked before 🤨

You think it just comes in discs?

[vivid fiber]

Looks like it will be good

[worldly ridge]

i buy my naan cuz i aint broke like you

[wheat comet]

Ive never heard of yogurt naan in my life

[worldly ridge]

yes same

[vivid fiber]

Unless you're buying from a restaurant its gonna taste like ass

Grocery store naan is ass

[wheat comet]

You are the ONLY queens person

[worldly ridge]

i only eat restaruant naan 😎

garlic naan and butter naan

[vivid fiber]

Nah

[worldly ridge]

rise up

[vivid fiber]

There's a ton

[vivid fiber]

Also im a mod

[wheat comet]

These are the only valid ones

[wheat comet]

So just naan

[vivid fiber]

Wat abt chocolate banana naan?

[worldly ridge]

are you eating greek food or osmehting

[wheat comet]

I can fw that lowkey….

[drifting shore]

Ban every non queens Canadian

[wheat comet]

Why 😢

[worldly ridge]

idk 😦 he randomly did it

[vivid fiber]

🫡

[worldly ridge]

I couldnt message him anymore

[wheat comet]

Oh true queens #2

[vivid fiber]

I think ive invited every queens kid on this server atp

[wheat comet]

@magic cave is his bestfriend he should know where pork went

[wheat comet]

So like 1 person -_-

[vivid fiber]

Nah there r others

We lurk in da shadows

[magic cave]

Well the chicken also has yogurt so I thought it'd be funny to say

Come on I went to Pizza Nova

I'm not accepting any culinary opinions from Ontarians

[grave quest]

ontario mentioned

https://tenor.com/view/doug-ford-road-trip-delicious-dougie-smile-gif-17883916

[worldly ridge]

bro just eat pizza pizza at htisp oint

im sure ull love it

its our best cuisine

it reminds me of the cardboard bxoes homeless ppl sleep in in toronto

[grave quest]

😦

[magic cave]

Honestly I thought he was just going to reset his save file

5'6 and Starbucks job post-grad

[worldly ridge]

Well he kept sending me his pics of his gf

so I think hes winning

atleast someone loves him

[wheat comet]

I think hes lowkey rich….

[worldly ridge]

Yeah defo, his parents saving his butt

[wheat comet]

Need him to come back i want to leech off his nepotism

Wheres andre

[magic cave]

Does the sun still rise from the East

[stable ravine]

[magic cave]

Yeah y'all tripping

CS students have never seen dough in their lives

[grave quest]

bro made naan wraps

[magic cave]

Actually I think the dish is souvlaki

[worldly ridge]

Its the thought that coutns

Im sure your gf appericaites you

Keep it up 👍

@magic cave Cute doggo though

[stable ravine]

[reef niche]

anyone here did huawei interview on distributed database role?

[stable ravine]

[paper ether]

deadass

[azure junco]

what if he just blocked everyone from here

no way he just deleted discord didn't he pay for nitro

[worldly ridge]

good on him

hes touching grass

probably got a job and spending time with his gf now

[magic cave]

That's what I'm saying

He must've deleted his save file

[magic ether]

canada check out my resume im doomed

https://discord.com/channels/698366411864670250/1242283607838429265

[analog current]

Its so over 😭

[worldly ridge]

The Spain was an empire once

now look at it.

This is the end for Canada Yoel.

The Roman empire existed, now look at Italy, full of poverty

The Ottoman empire existed, now look at Turkiye, full of poverty

[analog current]

Its fucking over

[grave quest]

:3

[worldly ridge]

Yoel, can we start an Arab springs for Canada?

[grave quest]

https://tenor.com/view/tiny-kitten-cat-kittens-cats-gif-26542402

@worldly ridge

[analog current]

😨

[barren sinew]

Isn't this graph a good thing?

[worldly ridge]

glass half full type of guy eh

[muted knoll]

would it be too late to land an undergrad research position at any canadian school by now for the summer? feel like labs would be less rigid with like start dates but also feels kinda late

[lusty ember]

I'd say its too late. Schools already got all their NSERC USRA grants given early March. Maybe if the lab is really rich or the professor really like you then you might be able to get it

[weak gazelle]

This is such cope cuz Canada is the best country on earth today

[analog current]

...

how

[weak gazelle]

? is this sarcasm

[analog current]

no

[weak gazelle]

check Google

[analog current]

the future isnt looking bright

talented ppl leaviong to america

quality of life declining

lack of innovation

[analog current]

look to the future

[weak gazelle]

@analog current

Canada has the highest GDP in the world and the highest growth rate

[analog current]

random google search and he doesnt even know what they measured

[weak gazelle]

?

u sound like an American

[analog current]

im canadian

[weak gazelle]

ok

[analog current]

our gdp is dominated by housing

and banking

thats bad for a developed economy

[weak gazelle]

no it’s not most of it is innovative companies contributing to GDP

like royal bank of Canada

[analog current]

are u trolling

[weak gazelle]

no

r u?

[analog current]

the bigest scomps by market ap on tse is canadian banks

thats sad

[weak gazelle]

u clearly don’t know the work they do in a bank

[worldly ridge]

@weak gazelle Your western chauvinism makes me sick. Can we ban him?

[weak gazelle]

West >>>>>>> Germany

[fickle juniper]

This is obviously troll v troll right?

Or did I wake up in a parallel universe

[fickle juniper]

I really hope this is a joke 😅

[muted knoll]

ripp thanks for the answer though, still gonna try reaching out and seeing if anything can work out

[magic cave]

You don't need a NSERC or SURA you can work for free

[worldly ridge]

Soft Landing
https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/canadas-inflation-rate-cools-to-27-per-cent-in-april-likely-giving-boc-all-clear-for-june-rate-cut-131955216.html

[magic cave]

Lots of professors are looking for programmer slaves to do their analytics

[worldly ridge]

We are making out of the slums of Jane/Finch

[magic cave]

There aren't even orphan gangs or towns on the city outskirts

We're doing great

[worldly ridge]

I will be able to buy a house now

I am going to have 5 kids

I will be able to afford to have a family now

[magic cave]

Who wants to start a town on the outskirts

Well call it New Toronto

[worldly ridge]

Like a Favela?

[magic cave]

I'm talking illegal trailer parks

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/northern-ontario-camping-trailer-permits-1.7207333

[worldly ridge]

Why not just live in tents?

[magic cave]

Too low QoL

I saw a homeless guy with a couch

[tender coral]

Al right guys let’s go back to actual advice and real discussions

[magic cave]

Near the Chipotle on University Ave

[worldly ridge]

How do we solve homelessness and uplift everyone from poverty in Canada?

[magic cave]

More couches and trailer parks

[worldly ridge]

Thank you, noted. I will email the Liberal party.

[magic cave]

Anyways why are you guys on Disc at 2pm on a workday

[worldly ridge]

Arent you at office right now

because I want to talk to you

[magic cave]

Yeah come to the table tennis table

Let's grab a coffee at De Mello

[worldly ridge]

Let me fly from Mcgill to you, hold on bud.

[magic cave]

I can take the Via Rail

Let's go to Leaves

[worldly ridge]

I dont like city life tbh, my most memorable memory was when we were hanging out with Alex and his gf near the campus parks

Life changed so much the past few years

[magic cave]

Indeed

Are you talking about Alex Zhang

[worldly ridge]

Of course

[magic cave]

Can't wait until school ends and I get to start my internship

[lusty ember]

Best of luck!

From my experience, active-in-research CS profs are pretty responsive through email. I'm assuming you're early on into your uni career if you missed the deadline. If you don't have good GPA, show them that you have some experience in the field of research they conduct. Doesn't have to be their exact topic, just similar interest.

[drifting shore]

Better than nothing

[paper ether]

its solid i think

not amazing, but def not bad

[gusty ibex]

I think Calgary is more affordable, but I may be wrong.

But also consider flight costs if they’re not covering it.

FWIW I was just in Ottawa and it’s really nice in the summer so you’ll probably have more to do outside of work.

[honest perch]

How hard for finding a fall coop?

[magic cave]

I think it's considerably easier because less competition

[honest perch]

However positions are also less

[magic ether]

much much easier.

[magic cave]

The proportion of reduced competition is much larger than reduced opportunities imo

I have no facts to support this

[honest perch]

you mean in Canada or North Americas?

[magic cave]

What's the difference

Just apply anyways lmao

You rather not have a co-op?

[drifting shore]

yea

just apply

[honest perch]

Haha

Facts

[drifting shore]

cooked

@stable ravine refer me

[vivid fiber]

https://lu.ma/astro-together-meetup-2024

[lusty roost]

Anyone here done the TN visa before? Wondering if there's anyone who got it approved with just an official transcript and an official university letter stating you're done your degree requirements? so without the diploma

[zenith eagle]

depends on the customs officer

also fyi they're fucking incompetant and annoying so just dont risk it

spent 8 hours stuck waiting for my visa, meanwhile those hoes were chit chatting

[vivid fiber]

It truly does

It took me about 45min

[eternal fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/depression-sad-gif-14865417

[worldly ridge]

@stable ravine thoughts?

[zenith eagle]

i feel like people just dont compromise on certain things

and have shit budgets and spending habits

people low on $$$$ but never skimp out on alc or meat

[magic cave]

I can't tell if this is satire

But I agree with the statement

[vivid fiber]

@magic cave not relevant

[magic cave]

It's just clickbaity, but it's a budgeting video

[vivid fiber]

Sending a budgeting video without clickbait would be fine

[lost lark]

Hows it looking for yall 23’ grads

[charred basin]

death

[bold sierra]

Anyone have a link of New grad roles in Canada and US?

[zenith eagle]

Bing chilling (actually beyond fucking stressed) being employed 😎

[zenith eagle]

Not satire, some people genuinely have the most fucked up buying habits.

[magic cave]

I live on 11000 a month

[marsh thorn]

I don't doubt it for second

Everything's gotten so exprnsive

[worldly ridge]

Thank you for sharing guys

[analog current]

Anyone here do java backend plz ping me

[azure junco]

The average person is godawful at budgeting

I've survived the last 2 years on solely my internship salaries

[lapis tide]

poor

[grave quest]

@worldly ridge

:3\

[lusty roost]

thought as much, person helping me with my visa warned me a lot of the officers just dont follow protocol lol, shame

thanks

[wheat comet]

https://tenor.com/view/snakes-lessons-gif-17236226950425838325

[tough knot]

Have you guys heard back from any of the Fall 2024 postings?

[worldly ridge]

hello

[tawny zephyr]

@worldly ridge

MATADI

[worldly ridge]

KONICHIWA

[tawny zephyr]

how are you sir

[vivid fiber]

@wheat comet please keep posts on topic

[azure junco]

Canada will always be low tc

It's the first stop to outsourcing from the US

[oblique quiver]

@analog current

[analog current]

Do u use spring or spring boot?

[paper ether]

one 😁

[ruby ridge]

ya some places have been interviewing

[tough knot]

Damn they don’t mess with me

[fluid harness]

what places started?

[sour locust]

just 1 as well 😦

how many have u applied to

[ruby ridge]

rbc, intact

[fluid harness]

cool cool

glgl

[tough knot]

Like 30

[radiant isle]

Anyone interviewed with SOTI / Demonware for fall 24?

[analog current]

I did demonware OA for fall recently got a 100 on it but still got rejected 2 days after

[analog current]

There’s 3 questions all are easy

[radiant isle]

Yeah I did OA as well last week

Did they ask you your details?

After Oa

Expected graduation etc.

[rain mantle]

dm if you did the wealthsimple technical pls

[paper ether]

I didn't even get it

[analog current]

nah nothing like that

[radiant isle]

Ohh

[analog current]

neither did i even after emailing recruiter 😔

[paper ether]

nah i mean the OA

i didnt get

[dark wren]

demonware only does 8 months, right?

[radiant isle]

Yes

[analog current]

also they dont provide relocation

[magic cave]

Who gets up and decides to name their company demonware 😭

[tawny zephyr]

ur too goated for them

yield protect

[stable ravine]

[tough knot]

tough times right now

need that WW bufff

[tawny zephyr]

idk how much it'd help u

[tough knot]

maang first cycle for sure

[tawny zephyr]

cringe for calling it maang

ur not good enough lil bro 😹

[tough knot]

faang mb

[normal jetty]

U turned it down”

?

[tawny zephyr]

call it manga atp 😱

[tawny zephyr]

🤷‍♂️

[normal jetty]

Y u turned it down bruh

[tough knot]

cohere is fake

boycotting fr

[tender coral]

Anyone ever done a EA Software Engineer Intern phone call interview for vancouver position? anything I should expect?

[dark wren]

anyone know what to expect for shopify tech round?

[magic cave]

Got you, DM me

[dark wren]

DMed you

[noble field]

Anyone know what to expect from wealthsimple pair programming

[analog current]

💀

[fluid harness]

swe or ds?

[noble field]

Swe

[fluid harness]

damn!! glgl

did u have prior exp?

[noble field]

yur

[quartz ridge]

yo whats up boise

how y'all doin

[rain mantle]

Idk what it's about but did u get for R&D swe or normal swe

[magic ether]

PORK

ur back 🙂

[worldly ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/love-you-gif-18973684

because @quartz ridge and @tawny zephyr is here!!

Hows your barista life? Must be chill with the boycotts

[noble field]

Yea r&d idk what it means tbh

[quartz ridge]

hello my grandma

[grave quest]

@worldly ridge

[quartz ridge]

I started getting into a convo with a coworker about the economic and political start of the world

[grave quest]

hello my friend

[quartz ridge]

It ended in me getting a referral to Google Step program

[grave quest]

gg walmart reject for retail

its so over

30 apps to walmart and no job

[worldly ridge]

The eocnomy is made up to make the the sheeps docile. Politics are made by the wolves in sheeps clothing to control the sheeps, the masses. These 2 are antithetical to human nature.

[worldly ridge]

Congrats, see you in the parliment.

[worldly ridge]

Morning

[worldly ridge]

Dang its tough out here

[quartz ridge]

Life is all about being a true man

There is nothing else of value

A materialist mind is a meek one

[quartz ridge]

the meekness of this community has gone under

since my departure

i hope for its restoration...

[lapis tide]

do not ejaculate this radical belief

[quartz ridge]

once a meek, always a meek.

there is no materialist outcome except for a leetcode fantasy

RESTful api or postman?

take your choice in tech stack sultry

[ruby ridge]

no, since the departure of the original ML

[quartz ridge]

i am the original ML sir

[ruby ridge]

No you are a pork chop, andre is the original

[quartz ridge]

i am andre

you are conflating action with guru

[ruby ridge]

"It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation" - AndreML

[worldly ridge]

Welcome back

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-marvel-mcu-assemble-gif-21507523

[quartz ridge]

life is nothing but a peanut

you either make peanut butter and jam, or you get converted into a low fidelity prototype.

[jagged flicker]

anybody done veeva hiring manager round for toronto ng?

[quartz ridge]

i think the main thing you want to do

to succeed

is 1) get a cs or cs/math or cs/stats degree

2. spam leetcode

3. spame system design when u want swe 1 -> 2

4. spam atcoder / codeforces for flavor on resume

5. do a side project that teaches u RESTful APIs or protocol buffers/grpc

6. craft an AI template for recruiters and hm (or coffee chat) + referral burgeon

7. craft resume into aesthetic pleasure clarity + STAR + GOOGLE XYZ.

8. profit.

will squash a naysayer.

[marsh thorn]

you do realize who you're competing with all those international students right?

[grave quest]

yea

is there really that many intl students

[marsh thorn]

my guy

there's literally 900k

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/international-student-cap-immigration-system-integrity-1.6948733

and they went from being allowed to work 40h/w during school time

to no limit during summer

I hate to burst your bubble

but I've heard from countless uni and hs kids and their parents that they can't find any jobs this summer

and it's no mystery why

[grave quest]

what the fuck

:/

thank you canada

[marsh thorn]

the thing was

it wasn't always this way

in fact

it literally never was this way or this much until now

[grave quest]

i swear pre-pandemic was fine

i tried in 2023 to get retail, but i could do pt only and most jobs only do ft

:/

[marsh thorn]

https://www.statista.com/statistics/555117/number-of-international-students-at-years-end-canada-2000-2014/

don't let anyone gaslight you

before a certain someone

and under Harper

a young high school student and uni student

can get a summer job

if they tried hard enough and weren't picky

[marsh thorn]

source: You can work an unlimited number of hours if you’re on a break scheduled by your DLI, such as winter and summer holidays, or a reading week.
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/study-canada/work/work-off-campus.html

[grave quest]

man that sucks, but what can i do now

i guess back to the grind

[marsh thorn]

are you a Canadian?

[marsh thorn]

I highly recommend you try joining clubs that are related to the field

[grave quest]

yea

I just finished my internship so im back in school, but needed to get job to pay for shit

[marsh thorn]

wait

you already had an internship?

[grave quest]

yea

[marsh thorn]

when?

what time period?

[grave quest]

jan 2023 - apr 2023 and may 2023 - apr 2024

[marsh thorn]

so you already have plenty of internship experience then

you're not screwed

and I assume you didn't have much luck in summer internships for this one right?

[grave quest]

yep

[marsh thorn]

that sounds tough

what year are you in?

[grave quest]

3rd year

[marsh thorn]

since you already have two years of internships I think you do have a nice advantage

[magic cave]

Lol??

💀💀💀

[somber cedar]

anyone had Wealthsimples technical?

[marsh thorn]

It's a complete joke

[paper ether]

canada bad

usa good

🙂‍↕️

yeah true

if u can land a decent canadian company ur chillin

[worldly ridge]

This channel in a nutshell:

ML Squad: Shit posts
Lust: Low TC
Everyoneelse: How was the interview process for X company?

[marsh thorn]

I'm sorry

but I strongly disagree

like

VERY strongly disagree

companies and foreigners know our immigration is easier

so we're used as a stepping stone to the US

or the "close enough" US (that they can obtain)

I think there was a new program

where you can enter Canada on a visitor visa

and get a job offer

and stay

I need to check up on the "enter Canada without a job offer and get one"

but I strongly disagree with the "it's less competitive here"

[marsh thorn]

I'm pretty confident I'm right up until this part

at least with US competition

getting a sponsorship is hard

so you may see a lot of applicants for US jobs

but keep in mind that a lot of them

need sponsorship

Yeah, Loblaws is expensive

[worldly ridge]

You are destroying the efforts of the boycott

Class traitor

[marsh thorn]

I think you need to specify here

Canada has a brain drain problem of Canadians, to the US

that's very important

[worldly ridge]

Pizza Pockets.

[marsh thorn]

Canadians are brain draining out*

[worldly ridge]

This economyu is draining my money out

[marsh thorn]

You see

I realized something

Canada is one of

if not the only country in the world

where when they see a problem

instead of going "How do us Canadians solve the problem?"

we go: "Just get the immigrants to solve our problems for us!"

"We have a doctors and nurses shortage!"

bring in more immigrants!

"We have a shortage of trades!"

bring in more immigrants!

while I do agree immigration should be one solution

it should be a side dish

not the main course

solution

no it's not

if you want something done right

you need to do it yourself

Canada needs to do the opposite

reduce immigration

because you said it yourself

"Canadadian wages are so low"

any question like "Why does company pay so low?"

or "why does x company charge so much?"

the answer is always because...

they can

no it's not

that's the exact opposite of what the law of supply and demand says

competition between employers*

not workers

how will talent destroy you?

if you have plenty of talented workers wanting to work for you

why would I as an employer increase wages?

[worldly ridge]

@glad echo What are your thoughts on these issues? Keen to hear from a phd in poli sci and economics.

[marsh thorn]

it's the opposite

when I hardly have, if any, talent wanting to work for me

I increase wages

[sly kindle]

LOOOOOOOOOO

[marsh thorn]

we pretty much have open borders

[sly kindle]

@safe light is trolling

[marsh thorn]

yet where are the increased wages that you promise?

the US has a very strict immigration policy

[sly kindle]

Man failed Econ 101

[marsh thorn]

and their wages are increasing

I believe that speaks to my point

[sly kindle]

???

Higher labour pool -> lower wages

[marsh thorn]

higher competition between employers, not employees, increases wages

[worldly ridge]

Thank you for your insight @glad echo , are you running for the liberal party soon? I will vote for you.

[sly kindle]

Bringin in 10000000000 Indians will only lower Canadians wages

[marsh thorn]

talent in tech isn't the only thing you need to create business

you need talented business people

[sly kindle]

So the solution to higher tech wages is to destroy the country lol

[marsh thorn]

who have the connections

[worldly ridge]

I will vote for green party. Green means money. Thanks.

[marsh thorn]

and know how to do sales, marketing, and hiring

[marsh thorn]

💯

but in Canada's case

it's counter intuitive

because let's say we bring in a million immigrants

and we have such bright talent out of those million immigrants

wouldn't this just increase housing prices?

and wouldn't this lead to capital going towards housing and not businesses?

wouldn't this just make all our problems worse by your logic?

[worldly ridge]

A wise man can play the part of a clown, but a clown can't play the part of a wise man.

[marsh thorn]

"why would I make a risky tech startup and pay others paycheques' when I can steal them with rent or just flip houses all day?"

that I agree with

but I also think it's Canadian's investment attitude as well

only wanting to invest in housing

and being so risk averse

but immigration most certainly adds fuel to the fire

and in this case

kerosene

I'd rather this country end up like Japan tbh

maybe I'm a boomer

but I don't like seeing the change in culture and demographics in this country, especially at this pace

but in SF

high tech salaries

is making it worse

for the lower income workers

because housing prices are so high

okay

I do agree AI has an important place in the future

but how do we make sure the AI advancements will benefit Canada and its people?

and not just leave?

this isn't like manufacturing

Nuclear weapons don't leave your country

by clicking the send button

literally instantly

no they didn't

I don't think

the nukes in Ukraine

were the USSR's

the USSR stored them in Ukraine

and now that Russia and Ukraine are seperate

Ukraine didn't "steal" the nukes

they inherited it

because of their location

[worldly ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/mrw-reaction-old-gamer-nerd-moms-basement-gif-4994401

[marsh thorn]

those nuke's weren't "lost" to Ukraine, it was never theirs, think of it like an inheritance dispute

those are top tech companies, especially in the US

even the big banks don't pay that much

RBC literally only pays 70k
https://www.levels.fyi/companies/rbc/salaries/software-engineer?country=43

my guy, housing has gone up like 20%

the point is

there aren't that many

you can apply to all those high TC roles within a few hours in Canada

in the US

you can take days

[worldly ridge]

20% in the past 2 years perhaps

[marsh thorn]

I meant rent/mortages

the BoC did hold steady

[worldly ridge]

Yall have houses already ?

[marsh thorn]

but rent definitely did rise 20% in some places

[worldly ridge]

I think it was like at 2021 or something where rent just shot up 20% high

[marsh thorn]

actually

looking at the data

https://rentals.ca/national-rent-report

it seems to have slowed done

because they couldn't go much higher

Halifax average rent being 1.8k/m

is utterly insane

why would you live there at that point?

utilities and groceries are more expensive

taxes are higher than ontario

and services are awful

[grave quest]

@worldly ridge can i live in your bathtub

i pay 150 cad

[worldly ridge]

You are my friend, you live in my house for free

Mi Casa Su Casa

If I was Justin T, I will give you free housing.

You will live beside me

[marsh thorn]

180k CAD is very rare

in Canada

and 180k in SF

is somewhat uncommon

also

taxes in QC are the highest in the entire continent

[grave quest]

180k cad in mtl is crazy good

[marsh thorn]

@safe light

for every one job that pays 180k in Canada

I can find you at least 10

yes

even before currency conversion

and with currency conversion

no

we jacked up the population so much

that it's not 10x anymore

41m*8

is still off by 5 million people

41m*8=328m

us population is 336m

you're still off by 10 million people

my point is our population grew so fast

that our default Canadian thinking

"the US population is 10x larger"

is outdated

and I'm saying

[worldly ridge]

👋

[marsh thorn]

is that they aren't as much larger

in population

as the population in Canada

the gap is narrowed

so fast

but the gap in wages

is higher than before

what is the wage in 2024?

100k is not that much in Toronto anymore

Toronto CoL

is much higher than growing at 7%

rent has gone up way more than 7%

the point is

the CoL is surging so quickly in Toronto

to the point where a lot of the salary gains are pointless

if your expenses are say 2.5k

8% inflation (the peak numbner according to StatsCan) suggests your monthly expenses are 2.7

but it's probably like 3k

us Canadians aren't getting a bang for their bucks

[barren sinew]

You can't blame everything on immigration. Most of the rise in visas is from students who are not buying property. The root cause of high CoL is Canadians investing their whole lives into a singular asset class, housing and ensuring the prices stay up

[worldly ridge]

The government would never decomodify housing

[marsh thorn]

I don't

but supply and demand

on housing, infrastructure, healthcare, jobs

says that immigration is a significant (but not only) factor

[marsh thorn]

they are living 5 people per bedroom

encouraging investors to rent out to them in that style

but you are right

that Canadians caring about housing is a problem

[barren sinew]

Immigrants don't just consume, they also produce. Every single immigrant is going to be consuming stuff from Canadian businesses and producing something from their work. This is important since boomers are retiring and there aren't enough young people to support them

[marsh thorn]

what about those 4?

what statistics do you have to say that they're working in these fields?

however, going back to what I said before

I think it's rediculous for us Canadians to expect others to solve our own problems

when we should be solving it ourself

[barren sinew]

The government introduced an express entry immigration system for trade workers which are needed to build those homes

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/eligibility/skilled-trades.html

[marsh thorn]

this housing crsis is showing that we can't just blindly dump people into this country and throw things at the wall and hope it sticks

[marsh thorn]

how many did they take in?

are they even working in trades? Or are their experience not recognized?

[marsh thorn]

give me that number and divide it by 1.2 million

and you tell me that it's working

this country doesn't need more white collar workers

especially STEM

[barren sinew]

I think this is just a convenient scapegoat. Boomers are retiring en-mass and there aren't enough workers to support them. Decades ago, we could have made it easier to start a family but neo liberalism gave us housing investments instead. So now you can take in immigrants or have the services and pensions we all depend on crumble

[marsh thorn]

I heard that arguement before

but if you look two seconds into the job growth data

and realize that it's significantly less than the people we're bringing in

you'll realize that it's pointless and we've reached a point of diminishing return

and when I say job growth data

I mean the real jobs

full time permanents

not part time or gig works

there are MoM's where we've been losing thousands of jobs

the fall of almost every country, empire, kingdom

is because the people running the country don't put their people's and country's best interest first

they put their own

IE, corrupt and incompetent leaders

[barren sinew]

This isn't isolated to Canada. Nearly every nation is in a worse position than Canada following Covid. Inflation rose across the globe

[marsh thorn]

first off

inflation is a government statistic that you really shouldn't care

I looked at StatsCan

and they straight up don't give you the raw data

"it's confidential"

and there's no transparency in how they're using the substitution method

[barren sinew]

This didn't start with the current government. The root causes of the issues were put in policy decades ago. We're just now hitting a point where it's hard to ignore

[marsh thorn]

and housing is literally only 28% of the basket

I refuse to believe inflation never hit double digits

one bit

[marsh thorn]

yup, that I agree with

I did research into this

Pierre Elliot Trudeau

the current man's father

spent like crazy

when interest rates were high

put the country into an insane of debt

[barren sinew]

Are you resorting to conspiracies since our inflation at 2.7% is a lot better than most of the world right now?

https://www.statcan.gc.ca/en/subjects-start/prices_and_price_indexes/consumer_price_indexes

[marsh thorn]

every government measures inflation differently

the US includes housing prices in their basket

ours doesn't

just rent and mortages

[barren sinew]

Lol, you're blaming Trudeau Sr. The PM who gave us single payer healthcare and not the PMs following him who dismantled public housing and privatized everything?

[marsh thorn]

hold on

I wasn't finished

I believe that was Lester B Pearson

who gave us single payer healthcare

the problem was

Pierre spent too much

and I'm sure some were good

a lot were wasteful

and it was particularily bad under high interest rates

Bryan Moulruny tried to stop the debt spiral

but it was ultimately Chretian who did it

[barren sinew]

Nope Trudeau Sr. brought in single payer healthcare following the NDPs lead: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Health_Act

Cretein brought down debt by privatizing everything in Canada which led us to this problem to begin with. We left housing to be an investment opportunity and dismantled public housing and look where that's left us

[marsh thorn]

The Medical Care Act

was under Lester B Pearson

but I believe the CHA was expanded that

[barren sinew]

This is also wrong. The debt to GDP ratio went down during Trudeau's first 9 years in office. It went slightly up in his second stint but not a whole lot

[marsh thorn]

https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/GG_DEBT_GDP@GDD/CAN

[barren sinew]

Yea it went down from 1968-79

[marsh thorn]

but it went up in the 80s

like

signifiantly

was there an economic crisis at that time?

[barren sinew]

Yes

[marsh thorn]

okay yeah

there was

[barren sinew]

The worst recession since WW2 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_1980s_recession

[marsh thorn]

but I don't know if the IMf data

debt

was the cumulative deficits

or it includes the interest rates

because they were painful in that time

[worldly ridge]

Guppy, are we heading there?

[marsh thorn]

we're heading towards stagflation at worst and stagnation at best realisticly

[barren sinew]

Inflation is on the downward trend across the globe. According to people more knowledgeable than me probably not

[worldly ridge]

Soft landing

[marsh thorn]

I am a bit sympathetic towards Chretian

privatising everything

and dumping financial responsibilities onto municipalities and provinces

Canada was in a difficult financial situation

the financial stability allowed Harper to weather the 2008 crisis

[barren sinew]

Neoliberalism is the cause of the issues we see today. Letting private business decide our housing policy has failed

[marsh thorn]

that I agree with

[worldly ridge]

Dont worry it will trickle down

[marsh thorn]

I am very skeptical about the whole "the free market will solve all our problems"

[worldly ridge]

We will be able to afford housing anytime now

[wheat comet]

is the Pork ML that joined the real one ?

[barren sinew]

Okay now bear with me. If you're dissatisfied with the Liberals, the most neoliberal Conservatives aren't going to save you

[marsh thorn]

that's why I hate our politics

they represent the elites and corporations

and not the everyday people

everyone I know says immigration is too high

yet even the Conservatives are saying that they want more immigration

[wheat comet]

https://tenor.com/view/pouticommunist-communist-soviet-urss-cat-gif-22309986

[worldly ridge]

Your on the CIA watchlist now

[wheat comet]

im on OG on there

[marsh thorn]

in Chinese culture

there is a belief called "the mandate of heaven"

Heaven bestows the emperor the right to rule all under heaven and rewards him if he's good

but if he's bad

heaven will punish the emperor

with natural disasters like famines and droughts and that's why people revolt

and whoever can overthrow the dynasty

reclaims the mandate of heaven

I believe the mandate of heaven exists in a different way in our democrative society

the liberals reclaimed the mandate of heaven from Harper

and now they squandered it

and they've lost it

desperately trying to change

and they've brought it upon themselves

[marsh thorn]

that's why the Conservatives now are going to win

[barren sinew]

Yes because Canadians like to flip between 2 parties instead of evaluating the cause of our issues

[marsh thorn]

Canadian voters are stuck

vote Liberals

and you're rewarding their behaviour

vote any other party who isn't going to win

and you waste your vote

but vote conservatives and if they win you'll deal with their bullshit

[tender coral]

Anyone done a phone screen for EA Games 2024 Fall Vancouver Software Engineer Co-op?

[magic cave]

Hi

[magic cave]

I am not kidding

Everything I discuss is with 1000% earnesty

I hope to go on another excursion with Pork, Andre, Jason, Alex, and Matada again