canada

[echo pilot]

PM is goated

if you micromanage your engineers you are effectively SWE

[strange jay]

doesnt PM offer higher vertical growth

[azure junco]

congrats on intel, amd, arm, nxp, or ti

[weak gazelle]

it's nvidia

congrats on nvidia PM @unreal field

congrats on 700USD

[halcyon viper]

anyone have tips for Scotiabank interview SWE?

[boreal sentinel]

lmao part time hs swe intern position making more money than 80% of our swe intern positions https://www.linkedin.com/posts/kevinliao2003_high-school-software-engineering-intern-activity-7163705989643386880-E8UM?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop

[wheat comet]

Whats the Stripe intern method

[lapis tide]

what if i use Amazon Pay for Business instead

[azure junco]

Can I roll my own payment system?

[lapis tide]

yes

[azure junco]

Thanks meekML

[magic cave]

Thanks just applied!

Do they do J1 visa

[eager haven]

is amazon still sending oas or is it over

[stone osprey]

The elections in states gone be funky now

[worldly ridge]

its over guys

ai will take our jobs

tech will be outsourced to phillipines

[solemn nebula]

It’s over

[worldly ridge]

ur right

[broken whale]

Can i take a guess?

[amber jetty]

has anyone here interviewed for demonware as a swe intern?

[lapis tide]

congrats on microsoft

[fresh fog]

gpt is getting dumber they say

[vivid fiber]

Gemini 1.5 apparently beats GPT4

10M token ctx window

Its over

SWE as a profession will disappear within a few months

[fresh fog]

thats crazy

[lapis tide]

soulkks speaks the truth

do not argue with soulkks

[crystal comet]

[drifting shore]

Humanity will disappear within a few years

[azure junco]

Should I get a data entry job?

Is it over for my swe career

[fresh fog]

real talk tho, if we actually create an AI capable of coding, what job will be safe ?

cashiers ?

[hot rapids]

operations jobs would still be really important if AI overlord exists

like SRE stuff

[weak gazelle]

but token limit != performance
It's just one aspect
It could be rlly shit and have 100M token context window

[lapis tide]

you are literally gemini

[weak gazelle]

I am Gemini Ultra Pro Max

[magic ether]

hello

[stable ravine]

apple fan boi detected

[vivid fiber]

I am aware, I never said it was

But they also claim it performs better than GPT4

[weak gazelle]

they're wrong

[twilit cave]

Hi everyone! I need me a resume advice. Would appreciate any advice.

[weak gazelle]

that white space larger than drizzy's grizzly

[lapis tide]

what exactly are you referring to by drizzy's grizzly

[eager haven]

anyone heard back for confluent internship

[twilit cave]

@weak gazelle would absolutely appreciate what you mean by drizzy’s grizzly. lol

[weak gazelle]

drake

[lapis tide]

what about drake

[weak gazelle]

drake's huge

schlong

[lapis tide]

what do you mean by schlong

[twilit cave]

@weak gazelle is there like too much white space on the resume. I am kinda confused.

[weak gazelle]

yea

[lapis tide]

what is a schlong

@weak gazelle will you be the recipient to my query

[weak gazelle]

from urban dictionary

[eager haven]

trolling or being fr

[twilit cave]

@weak gazelle is there a better I could better improve it. Please do share because I have applied on tons of job already and I don’t get any call back.

[weak gazelle]

just use jake's resume template

it must be on here somewhere

search it up

[eager haven]

[twilit cave]

@weak gazelle Thank you so very much for your feedback. Lastly, what do you think about the work experience section.

[mint gorge]

can we apply to this or its not for canadians

[boreal sentinel]

idk

i think it’s for americans only

[quartz ridge]

Hi

I have a query

Is there recipient?

[ruby ridge]

No you can’t. DB offline no failover or DR.

[quartz ridge]

??

[magic ether]

ye

[quartz ridge]

Ok so my query

Is this

If u are a hiring manager

And u have two candidate ok just make a hypo

Candidate A is a Nokia 3x intern with a compiler project

Candidate B is a Apple intern with a Math award from high school and 3 AP class top score

Who u choosing here?

Consider urself as roleplay for hiring manager @magic ether

[wooden lichen]

having both of them fight

see who wins

[lapis tide]

how many leets

[tough knot]

b, not close

[quartz ridge]

3x intern tho.

[tough knot]

Don’t matter

It’s Apple

free vision pros

[quartz ridge]

I’m pretty sure 3 Nokia is similar to 1 Apple

No?

[tough knot]

how

He could still be doing or just finishing the internship?

[worldly ridge]

candidate c

[crystal comet]

nokia 3x is a red flag

also trick question because i'm the only person to ever have a compiler project and i'm not 3x nokia

[fresh fog]

how ? it shows the company wanted to keep you which is a good sign

[crystal comet]

i see it more as no one else wanted you

or you're scared of change

should be diversifying

[fresh fog]

an internship is 4 month... how often do you have to change lol

[crystal comet]

wdym

[fresh fog]

I agree it's probably better to diversify but I don't think it's a red flag

because again, the company wanted to keep you, meaning you're decent at what ur doing

[crystal comet]

yeah u right

plus not like nokia is no name

[fresh fog]

true

[tough knot]

Apple first internship is crazy though

[fresh fog]

I say that but I interned at a no name for the past year

And I'm not planning on leaving

[quartz ridge]

Nokia has value

Lot of people do Future Tech Intern program

For Nokia

[drifting shore]

also that u hav skill issue cuz u cant find a better internship

[tough knot]

💀

[drifting shore]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-beggar-gif-19761345

[quartz ridge]

Why would u leave an internship for another company

Better to show commitment for ur future employers

Than just permanently hopping companies

[fresh fog]

Wouldn't say it's "better" to show commitment especially for internships

But I don't see how it's a red flag to stay at the same company lol

Both have values

[tough knot]

If you got offered google and you were at some no name, you wouldn’t take?

not even no-name

some midsized company

[quartz ridge]

Well depends how good my manger and teammates are

And the tech stack and impact

Really depends on

[magic cave]

Remove the small company from resume

[quartz ridge]

Lot of things

[magic cave]

Pretend I committed to google the entire time

[drifting shore]

no-name so 0 impact

[quartz ridge]

Is google even that good? Bloomberg seems better?

Bloomberg is above meta or google

[drifting shore]

he is trolling

[quartz ridge]

Or no

[tough knot]

💀

[quartz ridge]

I actually not sure how good Bloomberg is

What u guys think?

[fresh fog]

I personally would but not actively looking for a better internship doesn't show lack of skillz what 💀

[tough knot]

When did I say that

[quartz ridge]

I’m just saying me personally

[fresh fog]

That's the whole argument here

[quartz ridge]

I would take a committed 3x Nokia vs a guy who won rng who got Apple

That’s just my take

[tough knot]

lol

[quartz ridge]

Nokia is good and 3x shows return offer

[tough knot]

How do I rng Apple

[quartz ridge]

Apple is just get lucky to work on Vision Pro and can leetcode

Doesn’t show any ability to hold down job and get return offer

[fresh fog]

I would take the better one which I would assume is the nokia one tbh

[quartz ridge]

Just my opinion though my two cents

[tough knot]

maybe you’re right, needs more info tbh

[drifting shore]

i don't think its a red flag, but interning at a more well known company >>>>>>>>> showing commitment

[vivid fiber]

I think the avg recruiter would take Apple if they both have the same skills

As in know the same langs

[tough knot]

that’s what I assumed ^

[raw ocean]

same

[tough knot]

if the dude only knows how to leetcode, maybe not lol

[drifting shore]

all the zon interns i asked said that they had a bad exp

none of them would return if they have a better offer

[fresh fog]

you're probably right

[raw ocean]

what's the reasoning for interning at the same place 3x tho

if it's not your literal dream company + job + team

[drifting shore]

fr, unless u entered retirement mode

[fresh fog]

I stayed at the same company because they were offering part time until I finished my bachelor... Didn't feel like doing other internships and figured a 2 year "intern experience" while at school was better than interning at 3 diff companies

[tough knot]

I’d stop applying after Apple though 😳

[fresh fog]

Also it allows me to finish my bachelor faster

[drifting shore]

congrats on apple

[tough knot]

thanks man

[raw ocean]

that makes sense

[fresh fog]

also guys with the current state of the market, I would argue that commitment at no-names could be valuable

but idk

[tough knot]

don’t worry

I’ve determined that the market will get better in 2026

[fresh fog]

damn

thanks for letting us know

[tough knot]

np, prepare for massive google recruitment

[raw ocean]

i wonder what happens in 2028

[fresh fog]

2028 is AGI, 2029 is collapse of society

[tough knot]

wait

At least we’ll have gta 6?

[fresh fog]

ofc not

[keen zephyr]

I’m from 6ix, mandem stop playing wid me @drifting shore

[lost lark]

No the hell youre not LOL

[drifting shore]

[keen zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/love-drake-gif-11498130

[magic ether]

B

[molten abyss]

anyone know how paypal swe intern interview is like?

I should have asked earlier but it's tomorrow 💀

[magic ether]

damnn

[fallen mason]

gl dude 🙏🙏

[molten abyss]

tyty😭

[quartz ridge]

I think it’s close because of 1 year experience be 4 month better company would u agree

They pay for it?

[magic cave]

Nah I disagree

[vivid fiber]

Nah

[lapis tide]

this is very good point

[quartz ridge]

Thanks

Main idea is that number of years of experience plays a big role in hiring

Why do you think so many international 5 YOE fill junior jobs?

Because YOE is king in our industry

Think about Anduril 4 month intern vs Senior Developer from Pune, India , who are you hiring as a SWE 1 at OpenText?

[lapis tide]

precisely

[quartz ridge]

You get the argument?

[worldly ridge]

option C

[quartz ridge]

?

[lapis tide]

yes i understand well

[magic cave]

But 3 months vs a year is nothing

It takes me 6 months to onboard

[quartz ridge]

Like ur saying 4 month internships r bad

?

[vivid fiber]

Depends tbh

Experience does not trump all lol

Quality of experience matters as well

[quartz ridge]

But a 4 YOE vs intern

Is no brainer right

[vivid fiber]

Not necessarily

Again it depends

[magic cave]

No I was being facetious

[quartz ridge]

Faceless?

lol

[magic cave]

I just onboarded the entire term at Msft and they paid me the entire time

[quartz ridge]

What is facetious

[quartz ridge]

Why would u do that though

[magic cave]

💰

[quartz ridge]

Ur making the money regardless

Might as well learn smth :))

[magic cave]

What if I could play League instead

[quartz ridge]

I did that

During Gaotek

And got laid off lol….

[magic cave]

I got dia

[quartz ridge]

Nah

[worldly ridge]

you got PIPed

you didnt get laid off

[quartz ridge]

Didn’t get apip

I got fired

lol

[worldly ridge]

you should hve worked harder and did more overtime

its your fualt

now your job is outsourced to philipines

and AI

[magic cave]

I still can't tell if he's sincere

Actually worked at gaotek?

[hot rapids]

I thought he worked at cohere 😭

[pallid reef]

someone craves attention

[lavish void]

I also did that

[azure junco]

He does

He got fired from gaotek and now works at cohere

[lapis tide]

😔

[quartz ridge]

Gaotek is good lol

Stop just shaming it

It’s a valid company

Hi all

Have query..

[magic cave]

Gaotek internship 12 months or Msft 4 months

[quartz ridge]

Gaotek lol.

It’s 1 year

[lapis tide]

which semiconductor

[lapis tide]

i think gaotek is slightly lower on prestigehunt though

tsmc

[dense frigate]

Why I alr been refused by 1password...

I submitted the application the night the position posted and I have strong bg......

How does these companies work I'm so confused.

[hot rapids]

they pick out of a hat

[quartz ridge]

Umm

1 password has no lc

It’s pure behavioural….

If u cannot pass 1 pass u cannot pass even AutoDesk ……

[dense frigate]

I just want to know why and the criteria of picking up candidate.

[hot rapids]

maybe grad date, num of exp, types of companies you worked for. Thats what I would think about if they rejected quickly

probs grad date would be biggest one?

oh I misread, you didn't get rejected in one day, you applied day posting came out

[cedar kayak]

Someone I know has pm position at amd, it's pretty good

[dense frigate]

Grad date is Jan 2025.
Num of exps:2
FAANG fulltime in Bay Area and coop in Boston.

[hot rapids]

tough market man, too many apps to go through, they might not even get to yours, otherwise there's just simply someone who has even stronger bg :/

[dense frigate]

STILL NOT Qualified?

[hot rapids]

maybe you're too qualified : )

[dense frigate]

I want to make sure is this kidding or serious?

[cedar kayak]

Yes, and 16 months I think

[hot rapids]

wait are you a US citizen or working in the US with an F1 visa

[dense frigate]

F1

[crystal comet]

why not 3 faang fulltimes in bay area

red flag

did you get roblox in hs?

[hot rapids]

does canada have any immigration rules for people studying in US on F1 and interning in CAN 🤔 ?

[dense frigate]

I'm just finding intern instead of new grad

Bro, just intern

I'm studying at Waterloo NOW

[hot rapids]

are you doing masters?

[dense frigate]

Yeah

[hot rapids]

does that have co-op

[dense frigate]

Yeah

[hot rapids]

hmm yeah you would have 40hr/wk worth auth if under co-op

probs too qualified : )

[dense frigate]

I can't find 1 disadvantage for my case.

Is Master's a disadvantage now??

[hot rapids]

sometimes companies want someone less experienced so they can mentor them, maybe ur too experienced : )

and they think you will ditch and go back to faang as soon as you get the chance

instead of taking their return offer

[dense frigate]

Seriously?

[hot rapids]

ik some companies (cough veeva) who don't like ex-meta or amazon interns

cuz they will leave as soon as big tech calls again

[dense frigate]

I mean who's not gonna leave immediately if a big name call u?

[hot rapids]

well like I said, someone without big tech, less experienced, driven and passionate to learn, and happy to return FT to 1password maybe

that is pre smart hiring descision, versus someone who just leetcode grinds to pursue big tech

[dense frigate]

[hot rapids]

if you have faang on resume and a boston company (datadog? hubspot?) shouldn't you just recruit for big tech

[dense frigate]

Wayfair

[lapis tide]

wayfair to jane street pipeline

[dense frigate]

I hope I can bro, only Amazon hiring externally until now.

Have u Heard anyone receiveing FAANG summer intern until now(applied externally)?

[quartz ridge]

Nah it’s around same it’s a stealth startup

[hot rapids]

neftlix, apple, google step (doesn't apply to you), meta

[quartz ridge]

U need 3 exp

[dense frigate]

Bro seriously?

[lapis tide]

no amazon

tier 1 faang

very exclusive

[quartz ridge]

Very true but why Veeva specifically how do u know the?

[dense frigate]

Netflix hiring summer intern in Canada?

[magic cave]

You applied too early

It makes you seem desperate

[hot rapids]

they hired some canadians for US roles

[dense frigate]

I AM DESPERATE 😭

[quartz ridge]

What Faang r u at Koleri

I thought u landed cohere

Or BDO

What happened

[dense frigate]

Cohere refused...

BDO no updates.

[magic cave]

I can get you in at Cohere

Next cycle

[dense frigate]

G

[lapis tide]

you are the only person to call working at google working at faang

[quartz ridge]

Why r u going from G to 1 pass

R u ok

That’s like going from a Lamborghini to a v6

[dense frigate]

That's a loooong story.

[lapis tide]

this will be you in 4 years pork

[hallow sapphire]

@dense frigate are u an intern?

[quartz ridge]

That’s like going from IMO gold medal to community college reject

[hot rapids]

did you get destroyed by h1b? is that why you're doing masters at waterloo?

[dense frigate]

Isn't the G in FAANG?

[lapis tide]

yeah

[magic cave]

Faang is for Amazon

[lapis tide]

yeah

[dense frigate]

Oh I got it

[hot rapids]

he is FT google turned intern

[quartz ridge]

Ppl only say Faang for Amazon lmao

[dense frigate]

Like Top3 for the third one

[quartz ridge]

Every other Faang company just say it

[lapis tide]

except amazon is top faang

[dense frigate]

lol

[quartz ridge]

Amazon similar to 1 pass tbh

[hallow sapphire]

how

the fuck does that work

[quartz ridge]

In prestige and pay lol

[hot rapids]

doesnt google move their h1b failures to waterloo office?

[hallow sapphire]

how do u go

ft to intern

[lapis tide]

real

[hot rapids]

I think they lost h1b and doing masters

[hallow sapphire]

ah

[quartz ridge]

google Waterloo == BMO new grad

Same thing

Waterloo sucks

[lapis tide]

how do you lose h1b

layoff i guess

[quartz ridge]

Google Waterloo ain’t worth it

[lapis tide]

lmao tf

[dense frigate]

Gosh I felt sick

Some recruiters reached out but they're fulltime jobs

I just want an intern

[lapis tide]

do them simultaneously

[magic cave]

I'll get y'all cohere referrals next year‼️

[worldly ridge]

no i want gaotek

[lapis tide]

congrats on jane street

[magic cave]

I don't work there

[dense frigate]

I have close friends in Cohere though but thanks

[worldly ridge]

dont talk to me then

query, gaotek or G?

[magic cave]

He didn't ask if anyone wanted to be recipient

[dense frigate]

It's too early.

[lapis tide]

why

many people do masters concurrently with ft work

[dense frigate]

My earliest graduation period is Jan 2025.

[worldly ridge]

recipient?

any reciedipeient

SELECT * RECEIPIETN from canada

query execute

[lapis tide]

0 rows returned

[hot rapids]

@dense frigate maybe you need to change the company name from the product to "Google" on Linkedin. I know some people Youtubers who use that company name lool

[worldly ridge]

:l

[calm ocean]

@dense frigate is internship required for your program?

[dense frigate]

Fk I'm the one who did this

[dense frigate]

Coop program

But isn't YTB famous enough??

[lapis tide]

what is ytb

[hot rapids]

it is famous enough, but maybe the google query is stronger 🤔 , I am just speculating

[lapis tide]

youtube?

[dense frigate]

Yeah

[lapis tide]

lmao nice

[magic cave]

I got into Faang but actually I'm a twitch streamer

[dense frigate]

xqc is that u?

[zenith eagle]

bonjour mes amis

ça-va tout?

[eternal fossil]

lads

https://tenor.com/view/i-got-some-news-calvin-payne-house-of-payne-whats-in-a-payne-name-s9e1-gif-25143991

ty

its a shit offer but

good for career progression

mda

python swe

for the SKA org

[crystal comet]

shotokan karate of america?

[reef niche]

I’m also doing masters at loo. Finishing course by late August.

Not a lot of response man

🙃🙃

[cedar kayak]

Did manulife get back to you?

[reef niche]

Where did u do ur undergrad?

[cedar kayak]

That's crazy

I asked, they said they are still making decisions

Yesterday

[midnight valve]

anyone know how long it takes to get all the j1 visa set up and all the documentation done?

[cedar kayak]

sounds like this

[rancid wolf]

FT or intern?

[cedar kayak]

intern

[quartz ridge]

What ur other offer? BMO?

[quartz ridge]

Gaotek tbh but both G

R u gonna collect all 4 big banks before grad?

[quartz ridge]

I have a query

Any candid recipient?

Don’t have cohere

Sorry

Do you want GaoTek?

Ok my query is this

Say u are a hiring manager

Quick hypo ok

[lapis tide]

is meek ok?

[quartz ridge]

Meek is fine

[lapis tide]

i will be receptive to your query

[quartz ridge]

Candidate A is a grad from UBC with 2 research and gaotek

[lapis tide]

what do they research?

[quartz ridge]

Candidate B is Carleton grad with 3x Nokia and 1x Kinaxis

Who u choosing?

Research ML and systems engineering

[vivid fiber]

How many times are you going to ask about hypo situations

It's not useful

Firstly, none of us are recruiting managers

[quartz ridge]

Just want to evaluate two candidates

To see what to focus on

[vivid fiber]

It's highly dependent on the job, the company, and the actual skills

[quartz ridge]

For example candidate A is better schoool and more research base

[vivid fiber]

Plus the behavioral ability

[stone osprey]

Bro he is a troll

[quartz ridge]

Second candidate has some ok level internship and longer YOE

[vivid fiber]

ML you're annoying me

[quartz ridge]

How is this troll

[vivid fiber]

It's not productive

[quartz ridge]

Ok

[vivid fiber]

Please refrain from such questions thanks

[quartz ridge]

I retract the query

[drifting shore]

they seek attention

[lapis tide]

may i pose a query for you ML

[quartz ridge]

Yes boy

Please send ur query

Pose it now

[lapis tide]

say you had offer A for G but its waterloo 3 months

[quartz ridge]

I am in hottub

Bathing with a book

A nonfiction one at that

[lapis tide]

offer B is RBC 16 months but its QA

if you were hiring managee

[quartz ridge]

Definitely rbc here

That is top choice

[lapis tide]

ok

thank you

[quartz ridge]

Reason is the YOE is worth it

U know?

[lapis tide]

yes i think you are right

[quartz ridge]

Good

😌

Be prudent in ur query

Soulsuck may remove u

Have meek while he is around

[lapis tide]

i will limit my queries to fewer than twenty tokens in soulks presnece

[drifting shore]

3month at openai or 24months at rbc with shitty pay?

[quartz ridge]

Good choice

Rbc

In this naretmmmmmmm

Markets

Hiutu

[crystal comet]

💀

i would take 1 month of openai over 36 months at rbc

[quartz ridge]

Why would you do that

U do realize that right now market

Is heavily favour time right

So if u woke one month

And have no job after

What would u possibly do lol

[crystal comet]

doesn't matter

openai clout prevails

[quartz ridge]

Longevity matters

[crystal comet]

wdym longevity matters

anything you work on at openai would be infinitely more interesting

[quartz ridge]

Longevity is how long ur career lasts for

If u work one month y have no longevity

[crystal comet]

and having that name on your resume would guarantee you offers

[quartz ridge]

And new recruiter will suspect u got fired

Since no one works at a company for one month

[crystal comet]

not if your title is intern or something

[quartz ridge]

Btw how is ur compiler

[crystal comet]

wdym how

how is it doing?

[quartz ridge]

Is it working?

[crystal comet]

i sure hope so

[quartz ridge]

Do u make abstract syntax tree

[crystal comet]

yes

[quartz ridge]

What IV do u have

[crystal comet]

iv?

[quartz ridge]

IF

[crystal comet]

if?

[quartz ridge]

Intermediate form

[crystal comet]

intermediate representation

[quartz ridge]

Yes IR

[crystal comet]

wdym by what IR do i have

[quartz ridge]

Which ones do u use

[crystal comet]

i have my IR

[quartz ridge]

Which one?

[crystal comet]

i use mine

[quartz ridge]

Do u know what IR is

And AST?

[crystal comet]

do you?

[quartz ridge]

Like if an interviewer

Scrutinize u

About IR and AST

Could u explain it?

[crystal comet]

yes

[quartz ridge]

What would u say

I’m curious about ur project

[crystal comet]

AST is a more computer readable representation of source code

[quartz ridge]

So it’s like

Convert byte code

To a more parable?

Or no

Prasable

[crystal comet]

IR is a step you might have between an AST and compiler backend which you would use for optimization purposes or just for an easier format to work with

[quartz ridge]

What is source code vs byte code

[crystal comet]

source code is whatever you wrote in your .js or .py or .c etc file

[quartz ridge]

So IR or AST is more readable

For human or computer

[crystal comet]

they're more readable to a computer

[quartz ridge]

What about machine or byte code

[crystal comet]

because they're in a structured format

[crystal comet]

what about them

[quartz ridge]

What about .exe

Like what is machine vs byte code vs source code

I don’t get it

[crystal comet]

machine code is what your computer runs

assembly

[quartz ridge]

What about byte code

Do u know about linker is that part of ur compiler

[crystal comet]

hard to explain byte code i guess you could just call it a binary source code representation

[crystal comet]

i don't have a linker no

[quartz ridge]

So it changes ur source code into binary source code?

[crystal comet]

what does

[quartz ridge]

Also what about Python

Can’t u model ur compiler

After Python

[crystal comet]

why would i model my compiler after python

[quartz ridge]

Python compiler

[crystal comet]

python isn't compiled

cpython isn't at least

[quartz ridge]

Oh what’s cpython

[crystal comet]

cpython is the canonical representation

[quartz ridge]

So some python is compiled?

[crystal comet]

cython transpiles into C i think

[quartz ridge]

What’s canonical is that like a compiler term

[crystal comet]

canonical = the canon

it's the standard implementation

[quartz ridge]

Bro u can’t use the word in the definition

[crystal comet]

well idk google what the word canon means then lmao

[quartz ridge]

Is transpile just convert one language to another?

[crystal comet]

yes

[quartz ridge]

What do u know about DevOps

Like istio or grafana?

Do u know these tech

Or Prometheus ?

[crystal comet]

i don't know much about them

[vivid fiber]

Grafana is for broke boys who cant afford a real O11y stack

Same with prometheus

[quartz ridge]

What is O11y

I see these tools

Are used a lot

For I see ability now

Observatory

**

[crystal comet]

occessibility

[vivid fiber]

Observability

[quartz ridge]

Yes

[vivid fiber]

Is o11y

[quartz ridge]

Observability

Like the most common ones I see

Is like grafana DataDog and Prometheus

[vivid fiber]

You're forgetting a ton but sure

[quartz ridge]

Oh and also Splunk

[quartz ridge]

Which ones?

[vivid fiber]

Chronosphere, Splunk, Dynatrace, Jaeger, Sentry, Highlight, New Relic

[quartz ridge]

Splunk is one of the top ones also maybe cloudwatch logs

[quartz ridge]

Why not just use one, does a company actually use all of these in one stack?

[weak gazelle]

Congrats on sentry

What’s ur TC

[vivid fiber]

I dont work there

But they hire crazy talent

[weak gazelle]

do they rlly

bro removed my react

[vivid fiber]

You usually only need one or a few

[vivid fiber]

Yea

[quartz ridge]

What’s so good about

Sentry lol

[vivid fiber]

Like FastAPI guy

[quartz ridge]

I just rmb their Oa being hard

[vivid fiber]

Good product

They use Clickhouse

Which I respect

Clickhouse on top for OLAP

[weak gazelle]

14k followers

no one knows sentry

[quartz ridge]

14k followers is sus

Kinaxis has like 100k

[weak gazelle]

fr 14k followers is like local company

real talent goes to databricks

not mid comapnies like sentry

[quartz ridge]

Sentry seems ro hire

Just from Waterloo lol

[vivid fiber]

They're not

[weak gazelle]

cap fake and cringe @quartz ridge that's false

[vivid fiber]

I know someone from my school got a job there

[quartz ridge]

I got a lot of ads from sentry

[vivid fiber]

As a new grad

[weak gazelle]

stop spreaking false info lol @quartz ridge literally not funny

[quartz ridge]

??

[vivid fiber]

@quartz ridge no misinfo

[weak gazelle]

fr

[quartz ridge]

I said seems

It’s a guess

[weak gazelle]

you did it again

[quartz ridge]

No

[vivid fiber]

Dont spread misinfo

As a guess

Smh

[quartz ridge]

I make a guess

[weak gazelle]

fr holy fuck

[quartz ridge]

Education guess

[weak gazelle]

ML that's literally not funny lol

can u stop

[quartz ridge]

No one is perfect

I’m telling u my best knowledge guess

[weak gazelle]

some people here may be discouraged when u say that loo is the only school in canada that can send people to cracked companies in the US

that's crazy

misinfo

[stable ravine]

Who

[vivid fiber]

FastAPI guy

Idk the name

[stable ravine]

Ytber?

[vivid fiber]

No lol

The guy who made fastapi

Also a ton of rust open source devs

[weak gazelle]

1password should literally hire me

cuz i have rust exp

from the rust Gods

[stable ravine]

🫡 do ppl use fastapi in production? Reddit doesn’t like fastapi

[vivid fiber]

Im sure someone does

Do you mean Reddit the company

Or redditors?

I've heard that it was good at a time

[stable ravine]

No redditors

[vivid fiber]

But has lowk fallen off

[vivid fiber]

Also the proj still has sponsors

[quartz ridge]

Fast ApI is not a good framework lol

Django is 10x better

[stable ravine]

I have only played rust on steam

[quartz ridge]

Use a real framework like Django or Flask

Fast API is a newborn in the Python world

[vivid fiber]

Not really a legitimate reason to discount it lol

[quartz ridge]

It’s not ready to be in production. It’s not scalable like Java

Spring boot is much better

Than it

[vivid fiber]

Are you saying Python isn't scalable?

[quartz ridge]

Fast API is not scalable

Django is

[stone osprey]

Wont python be super slow for a scalable system

[stone osprey]

Idk I hate spring

[crystal comet]

scalable is a fake word

fast api will scale fine for anything you build

[quartz ridge]

No it won’t when u have millions of users

[crystal comet]

and if you're big enough to worry about it then you can figure it out then

[quartz ridge]

The best language for scale

Is Java

Hands down

[crystal comet]

👎

[stone osprey]

https://www.scala-lang.org/

[vivid fiber]

Hard disagree

It's fine

But I hate OOP

[weak gazelle]

the best language for sclae is Haskell

[tough knot]

I only know css

[magic cave]

Ok where are you guys finding jobs

I just cleaned up LinkedIn

And PittCSC

[fossil field]

connections

[magic cave]

I'm out

[fossil field]

Yes congratz!!! what do they look like and what company?

[vivid fiber]

Glassdoor, Indeed, YC Jobs, Wellfound, Google

[magic cave]

😮‍💨

There goes my weekend

Need to roll something higher than 96k

[lost lark]

Best i can do is 75 + you have to commute downtown

[magic cave]

Which city

[lost lark]

Toronto

🤡

[magic cave]

My parents have a flat in Harbourfront

[lost lark]

Woah rich guy alert

🤯🤯🤯🤯

[magic ether]

hi everyone :3

[wheat comet]

Hello, missed you !

[magic cave]

Yeah he's lying

I think his parents are renting from my parents

[broken whale]

🧢

[fallen mason]

I own the city

[broken whale]

His parents are the richest in all of Toronto

[fallen mason]

All of u r poor

[broken whale]

🧢

[fallen mason]

I’m drake

[broken whale]

Third leg

[fallen mason]

I’m switching career paths

[magic cave]

Renting is rich people activity

[broken whale]

Asian activity ( I am asian too)

[fallen mason]

no

Homelessness is

[magic cave]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PersonalFinanceCanada/comments/1asn0p9/student_needing_to_get_through_25_months_on_no/

[fossil field]

ah, pathetic little man

[broken whale]

Bro is incoming at nvidia

How little?

[real island]

💀

Blud is contradicting himself

[magic cave]

Wow y'all are really on Discord on a friday night

[real island]

🪞

[magic cave]

Actually I'm drinking rn

I'm trying to be a bartender

[fossil field]

been drinking since i finished work

[magic cave]

Not even during?

[fossil field]

no only coke during

[magic cave]

Quant?

$50/hr is what I made at Zon

27 King's College Circle Toronto

[drifting panther]

Anyone interview at crowdstrike before

[weak gazelle]

tf

[compact pike]

anyone here got amazon interview after not acing the oa

[tender coral]

How are you getting the OAs in the first place haha

[zenith eagle]

try a shot or two of amaro in beer

god tier

[compact pike]

luck\

[fossil field]

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[regal lotus]

has anyone accepted those 12 month long co-op/internships and then just quick early?

[magic cave]

That's what I made

It was a spaghett

Aperol is ab Amaro

[zenith eagle]

yea no lol

amaro is bitter in italian but i dont consider aperol true amaro

[tall geyser]

seems like everyone is getting interview after oa

[terse burrow]

Damn really

Even if they dont ace the oa

[magic cave]

I have to disrespectfully disagree

Check your DMs

[real island]

Lots of people

[quartz ridge]

[lime mist]

many people are saying this

[quartz ridge]

yo guys

is dev degree a good program

or is UW cs better?

anyone know about dev degree Carleton/York and know if it is good?

[magic cave]

Athabasca > McGill > UW > Carleton > York > UofT > UW

[quartz ridge]

yeah but dev degree specifically

seems to be a free way to get 4 years of shopify dev experience

before grad

[magic cave]

But the athabasca name is reputed internationally

[quartz ridge]

every single shopify dev degree is cracked on linkedin

i havent found a single one that didnt become senior 1 year after grad

[magic cave]

Sampling bias

[quartz ridge]

cause u get 4 years of exp while doing ur degree then + 1 year instant Senior role

and senior is 200-250k tc

so basically ur guaranteed a 200k+ tc after 1 year of grad

[magic cave]

Is it the shopify degree that makes someone cracked or is it cracked people who break into dev degree

[quartz ridge]

meh

you're given 4 yoe at a top tech company

[magic cave]

shopify

🤨 📸

[quartz ridge]

free 200k comp

and tuition paid

boom

easy life tbh

[magic cave]

That's my yearly allowance over 4 years

[analog current]

Interesting, I actually didn’t know this

I’m applying to this scholarship rn that’s asking for me to relocate for 8 months, but I’m not sure if I can decline that tbh if I do win it

Since I already have an internship

[analog current]

Does anyone have advice on this, it’s like “pushing an offer” to another season 💀

Except, I don’t think I’ll actually work there, it wouldn’t work with my curriculum

I think they have remote but idk

I don’t want to work there, I just want scholarship money to pay for tuition

Honestly and respectfully 😭

I’m in uw se, there’s no breaks 💀 so i don’t think it would work

My current internship is also from a stronger company so idk man

[quartz ridge]

yeah it's actually super worth to get dev degree. most people with dev degree just say they worked full time at shhopify (and lie on linkedin)

[analog current]

😭

[quartz ridge]

the thing with UW is that u get 2YOE instead of 4 YOE for dev degree

but u have chance of working at 6 diff companies

dev degree is 100% more secure tho

u get gauranteeed 4 YOE, and most people get senior around 1 year after grad

since ur at same company for 5 years

which basically fits > 5 yoe

[analog current]

This is going to be controversial but I think that their stability is better than the average uw grad

[quartz ridge]

even tho 4 years is just internship lol

yeah

[analog current]

I’m saying average

[quartz ridge]

and if u look at overall outcomes of UW grads

most people end up not even at amazon

amazon is prob like a top 25% outcome for a UW grad

[analog current]

I never applied to dev degree myself since I wanted company diversity, however, it’s interesting to look at and a good option

I hear it’s very competitive

[quartz ridge]

6k apps

50 per year

50 is size of 1 cohort and just single cohort per year

but guaranteed 4 yoe at Shopify

big name

and senior role very likely post grad

[analog current]

yeah uw se is around 2000 for 125 spots and cs is 300? For 13k applicants

[analog current]

yuh that must be very nice

let’s change spots

i do one semester of uoft cs

u do one of waterloo se

let’s do it 🙏

are you St. George

[quartz ridge]

so the programs that give you free cash

are UW swe/cs and carlteon/york dev degree

rest is competitive

oh maybe ubc/uoft is also big edge

[vivid fiber]

Sr role at Shopify pays less than a new grad role in the states

Or at least a sr role they would offer to a ng

[quartz ridge]

In US you spend US dollars not a fair comparison

If you live in Canada you spend cad

If you live in Us you spend USD

[vivid fiber]

It's still more

[quartz ridge]

Yes it is

But that’s not exclusive to Shop

[vivid fiber]

Yea

[quartz ridge]

That applies to every company based in Us

[vivid fiber]

Yea

[quartz ridge]

All I’m saying is that dev degree is basically a cheat code

[vivid fiber]

I think its fine

[quartz ridge]

You get 4 YOE at Shopify and most people get senior title within 1 year of grad

Levels has senior at 160/170 base

[vivid fiber]

I think co-op at UW is prob better from someone who is motivated

[quartz ridge]

So while most Waterloo or top school grades are SWE 1 at a good/big tech company

Dev degree has senior in same time span

[vivid fiber]

I doubt that theyre paying the same base though

To fresh grads

Also do they give sr?

[quartz ridge]

Yah but dev degree is a pretty good paved path to that

[quartz ridge]

I’d argue they do. Similar to rbc amplify grads

They actually get the role +pay

Not just role name

[vivid fiber]

Because I know someone who did dev degree

Idt they got sr

[quartz ridge]

No stock for Shopify but they get base and 15% bonus from what I hear

[vivid fiber]

They got a slightly hire ng pay

[quartz ridge]

What’s sr?

[vivid fiber]

Same title

[quartz ridge]

Hmm

[vivid fiber]

Sr = senior

[quartz ridge]

Yeah I mean within 1 ish year

Did some LinkedIn lurking most people get promo within 1-1.5 years post grad

So not right away

[vivid fiber]

That's not really that good then

[quartz ridge]

But quick promo while most normal grads need 4-5 years to hit senior

Think about it like this the Shopify dev degree part time internship counts as full time experience

While most companies don’t treat intern exp as YOE

[vivid fiber]

A new grad at a quick promo company

Could get sr in 1.5~2.5 yrs

[quartz ridge]

I’m pretty sure it’s title and comp tho..

Like when u get the senior title u legit get the senior pay

Not rly a point in just getting the title alone

[vivid fiber]

I believe you

I just don't think dev degree is better for a motivated individual

[quartz ridge]

But yes I agree that top talent and high discipline will still get better outcome at UW

[vivid fiber]

Compared to a co-op program

[lapis tide]

remember to maintain high meek, ML

[quartz ridge]

But dev degree seems to be a paved road to a senior position at Shop

[quartz ridge]

• guaranteed work experience at a fairly good big tech company in Canada

[vivid fiber]

Yeah its def goof

[quartz ridge]

Im being meek no? @lapis tide

[vivid fiber]

I just disagree that its better than co-op

[lapis tide]

keep it up

[drifting shore]

How they compare to external ng?

[quartz ridge]

I think if you’re an average Waterloo student, dev degree is better. But for top students who can reach Jane street, Cit or Meta by 6th coop it’s not as good

But for people just hitting Zon by 6th dev degree is better/comparable imo

[vivid fiber]

I rather work at zon lowk

[quartz ridge]

Liek I see a fair share of UW grads that work at ok places like SAP or AutoDesk and then new grad Zon

[vivid fiber]

Zon pays more

[quartz ridge]

And the Shopify 4 YOE vs 2 YOE with diversity and fast promo to senior

Is def worth it for me

[vivid fiber]

Also Shopify is a ruby codebase

Not a fan

[quartz ridge]

Cause once u get Senior title u can easily jump ship as a senior to another top company

[vivid fiber]

Not necessarily true

You can be downleveled

[quartz ridge]

Main thing about dev degree is u legit have 4 years of work experience

[vivid fiber]

Since other companies may see 2yrs and not agree

[quartz ridge]

U could get down leveled if u underperform on interview

[vivid fiber]

Yes

[quartz ridge]

But most likely u can get interviews for a senior position esp if ur already senior at a big tech

[drifting shore]

No recruiter is gonna view it as 4yoe

[vivid fiber]

Im not sure thats true tbh

[drifting shore]

[vivid fiber]

^ this lmao

[quartz ridge]

I see downlevel happens a lot more when ur a startup or no name

[vivid fiber]

No its the opposite

A startup is less likely to downleve

[quartz ridge]

People actually been hiding their grad date and labelling their 4 internship YOE as permanent full time on LinkedIn

[hardy island]

hi all, anyone from UW does those companies only hire 1 or 2 student on the waterlooworks ？

[vivid fiber]

Than a company with a rigid structure

[quartz ridge]

Startup to big tech more likely to down level

I mean moving from startup to big tech

[analog current]

They may test u for title inflation ykwim, that happened to my mentor who was an mit student and went from lead architect for a startup to senior swe at google

[quartz ridge]

Sometimes big tech only treat big tech experience as valid exp

[analog current]

He was telling me about title inflation allat

[vivid fiber]

Oh i thot u said the opposite and was confused

[quartz ridge]

Yeah 100%, I think main thing is that u get the chance to prove urself as a senior

I see that as a pretty big arrange

Advantage**

[vivid fiber]

@quartz ridge do you work at shop?

[quartz ridge]

But for me I prefer to level up at a normal pace

[drifting shore]

What’s the point if u can’t pass background check?

[quartz ridge]

No I don’t

[quartz ridge]

They’re not lying on LinkedIn just lying by omission tbh about grad date

[quartz ridge]

I do know multiple dev degree grads tho

It really is highly competitive. 50 students per year, 6k apps

But yeah you can really make it to the top from every school

Some schools just give you a lot more opportunities

[drifting shore]

From stalking their LinkedIn profiles?

[quartz ridge]

irl lol

[quartz ridge]

can i dm?

[drifting shore]

Bruh, u already dmed before asking

[quartz ridge]

i had some follow ups @drifting shore

[drifting shore]

Sure

[quartz ridge]

thanks for answers

very insightful coding warrrio

[regal lotus]

Guys I would love some advice

If I accepted and signed 12 month internship at AMD summer 2024 - winter 2025

But I hypothetically get an offer at a bigger tech company for a 4 months summer 2024

Is it worth to reneg the 12 month or is it like possible to somehow negotiate it to like an 8 month fall-winter after already signing off on it?

[drifting shore]

Renege

4month > 12month

[azure junco]

Yeah they do brain on the net. Hope that helps!!

[quartz ridge]

Why larp

[regal lotus]

Yea swe full stack

[fossil field]

cause he sad little pathetic man

[worldly ridge]

go colect your foruth bank offer loser

[quartz ridge]

RBC is not AMD

[worldly ridge]

RBC, TD, SCOTIA, you are missing one

[quartz ridge]

get the 4 bank exodia

[worldly ridge]

imagine going on a date and then telling your date u work at abank

[quartz ridge]

bruh it's over no?

[worldly ridge]

yeah

[quartz ridge]

why are you triggered?

[worldly ridge]

i hae a query, reciipients?