canada

[quartz ridge]

Just curious lol

[lapis tide]

this man is unaware of levels

[quartz ridge]

No I’m fully aware lol

The data is bad tho. He might know people who acc received offers

[lapis tide]

why are the data bad

[quartz ridge]

Usually skewed higher

People who input data tend to be happy with their comp

[lapis tide]

you can take that into account

[quartz ridge]

Also some ppl inputs usd data vs cad data

And it’s all aggregated

Not rly

[lapis tide]

only for interns

[quartz ridge]

Much better to have first hand info

[lapis tide]

for ft they ask for currency

[quartz ridge]

Would you rather have crowdsourced data with mixed currency and try to ballpark that

Or ask someone with an actual offer in the last year or two

[lapis tide]

i wouldnt completely devalue it

[quartz ridge]

Ye I don’t I took a look lol

[azure junco]

the levels data i took from had data that, even if it was overinflated it would still be 100k

they were like 130-150k

[quartz ridge]

I’m just surprised by all the high comp

[quartz ridge]

Like for Canada locations?

[azure junco]

Yes

[fallen mason]

kill me bruh wtf

[placid dawn]

smart ngl

[wary tundra]

shopify application busted?

[short marsh]

Yes and no

[wary tundra]

how do you fix it

[short marsh]

What does 400 mean

[wary tundra]

a server error.

[short marsh]

4xx mean a server error?

[mint gorge]

This is actually true

I just completed it but I'm not giving answers

[quartz ridge]

shopify is a good company

becuase the logo look s good...

https://tenor.com/view/shoppy-shopify-gif-27508453

[signal sail]

Anyone here applied for the hootsuite hiring sprint ?

[analog current]

Come down bro, this is a discord server

[stable ravine]

ye

[signal sail]

Have heard back from them?

Only 4 days until they start interviewing

[stable ravine]

ghosted

a few got rejection

[full hound]

how tf do u submit this shopify app

[waxen oriole]

i submitted mine early and they just changed the requirements 😭

[waxen oriole]

i think you're supposed to give the link to your pull req

[full hound]

This is before oa

I get a 400 when I try to submit

[waxen oriole]

oh before

not sure then

[gusty ibex]

Does Bloomberg have a Canadian office for SWEs?

[drifting shore]

no

[gusty ibex]

ty 🙏

[wary tundra]

it's down

just have to wait until they fix it

[full hound]

Some people are saying it’s a ctf

[wary tundra]

they're trolling

ignore

[full hound]

Smfh

[broken whale]

when does snap intern or ft open for their Cad offices? are they even hiring? @vivid fiber yk?

[vivid fiber]

They hire with their us roles iirc

But its been a while idr tbh

[broken whale]

is there an option on their app to select Canada?

[vivid fiber]

Idr...

[broken whale]

bet bet

[vivid fiber]

Sorry 😞

[broken whale]

np boss

[real island]

Snapchat already opened I think last year for intern

I missed it that’s how I remember

[bronze raptor]

Does anyone have a answer for the Shopify questions?

Is it being invested?

[zenith eagle]

what are the q's

[bronze raptor]

Like the application questions

[zenith eagle]

yea what are they?

just curious

[bronze raptor]

Mentorship insight

It asks u which one is not a mentorship insight

[zenith eagle]

oh that's new

what are they like? u can dm

they've always been a little special in their app process, i shudder to think what else they've added to it this year

[bronze raptor]

Yea they asks us to read articles and answer multiple choice questions on them

[zenith eagle]

ok wtf

[wary tundra]

doesn't matter, app's down

[waxen oriole]

the actual OA is terrible. test cases don't work with what they ask us to do, if we go according to test cases it goes against what they ask us to do, so confusing shopify 😭

[worthy orbit]

any canadians get microsoft oa for ng? I know some wloo kids did for meta

[storm stream]

what's the prompt this year?

[waxen oriole]

its a bunch of diff takehomes. for frontend its "build a stopwatch", idk abt the others but man they keep changing the requirements for it and altering the test cases 😔

i already subnitted mine but ima just wait until next week or smthn to see if i have to update it again

[storm stream]

did you deploy it somewhere?

[waxen oriole]

yup

[storm stream]

and you have a nice readme on the github?

[waxen oriole]

i made like 3 diff versions since they kept changing the requirements

[waxen oriole]

uhh... hehe.

[storm stream]

another thing I wish I did when I was still in school is look at interns' take homes on github

people that got offer

gives you a good idea of what the criteria may be

even if it's a different project

[hallow sapphire]

yes

[worthy orbit]

u? or someone u know

[kind hazel]

for the shopify one, dont u guys worry someone gonna copy paste your solution lol

[stable ravine]

ima copy yours

waiting for you to commit

[hallow sapphire]

me

[worthy orbit]

can i dm

[hallow sapphire]

no

[worthy orbit]

too bad

[gilded charm]

do you guys have summary on your resumes?

[drifting shore]

no

don't do that

[gilded charm]

oh okay im so lost with trying

[azure junco]

go to reddit engineeringresumes subreddit

and read the faq

it talks about things to include and not include

and how to format it

[obsidian adder]

Anyone know what this is about

I can’t really find any info on an Amazon 60 minute phone call. For reference I only took one OA but it seems most people take 2-3

[storm stream]

did you ace OA?

[obsidian adder]

Yeah

Passed test cases on both

[hallow sapphire]

its

an interview

so standard lc and what not

[storm stream]

back in my day if you aced OA you got a 60 min interview just to go over your answer + some behavioural/LP questions

and then ez offer

[hallow sapphire]

look at examples in resume

[obsidian adder]

How long ago was that

[storm stream]

2 years ago

during peak covid madness

have you asked on amazon server?

[obsidian adder]

I didn’t know there was one, can you invite me to that

[storm stream]

ILL DM

[drifting shore]

thats diff from the normal intern schedule email

[obsidian adder]

Ik im so confused

[drifting shore]

wats on ur portal?

[fossil field]

holy fuck 10 hour work day today

[obsidian adder]

Gotcha

[short marsh]

ruby is actually ass. wdym i cant use ruby if the installation path contains a space????

[real island]

Did anyone who applied to frontend track for Shopify get OA yet?

[storm stream]

@waxen oriole did

[real island]

Joever

I messed up the questions then

[storm stream]

I thought everyone gets it?

[real island]

I think it is auto if you get the questions right

[storm stream]

time for a new email?

[waxen oriole]

yup

[real island]

Fr

I heard the application is down tho?

💀

[storm stream]

https://www.shopify.com/careers/summer------engineering-internships_18b4fd16-180d-4c2c-b495-6548c3f1f67c?tags[]=Software Engineering&tags[]=Backend Engineering&tags[]=Infrastructure Engineering&tags[]=Can hold your own&tags[]=Team problem solver&tags[]=Strategic and universal problem-solver&tags[]=TypeScript&tags[]=Python&tags[]=Ruby&tags[]=GCP&tags[]=Develop a career&tags[]=Teach and coach others&tags[]=Caused a production outage&tags[]=Pushed directly to main&tags[]=Deleted 1000+ lines of code&tags[]=AI&tags[]=Risk Taker&tags[]=Process Instigator&tags[]=Curious Questioner&tags[]=Corporate Climber&tags[]=Serial Entrepreneur&tags[]=Career Shapeshifter&tags[]=High-rung Thinker&tags[]=Outlier&tags[]=Americas&tags[]=ANZ&tags[]=quest-checkboxes still there?

[obsidian adder]

The role isn’t even on amazonuniversity, it’s on amazonjobs

[real island]

Oh mb meant to say you can’t submit or Sumn

[full hound]

anyone know if shopify app is fixed

[lapis tide]

Told you

[velvet spire]

test case has "starts and stops the stopwatch" and "pauses and resumes the stopwatch" ... wtf is the difference LOL

[waxen oriole]

The 'solution' is extremely unintuitive and involves creating different buttons for 'Start', 'Stop', 'Pause' and 'Resume'. . . or at least that's the only way to do it without editing the test cases.

Idk man it's dumb. I just submitted something that only passes half of the test cases cause i'm not trying to hyper engineer some whack ass overloaded stopwatch with redundant 7 buttons.

[storm stream]

stopping should reset it to 0:00 right?

pause keeps the elapsed time

[waxen oriole]

That's what the 'Reset' button was for.

[storm stream]

i thought that's the same as stop

on most stop watch apps

[waxen oriole]

They wanted us to implement these buttons:

Start - Starts timer.
Stop - Stops timer.
Pause - Stops timer.
Resume - Starts timer.
Reset - Resets timer to 0.
Lap - Timestamps basically.

[waxen oriole]

yeah but their descriptions for what they want is weird. goes against the test cases.

[velvet spire]

lol yea it's a bit silly

[waxen oriole]

and they also say "submit once you pass all test cases"

literally no one followed that rule 💀

[velvet spire]

i was having trouble starting the test too did you have to "npm install --save-dev @testing-library/jest-dom" and add "testEnvironment": "jsdom" to the package.json to get it to work?

[waxen oriole]

Yup lol

[velvet spire]

yea i only pass 2/5 cases LOL

[waxen oriole]

same

[fossil field]

built in js?

or any language?

[velvet spire]

typescript/react

[fossil field]

ah thats a good test

[trail prism]

is the application still down??

[azure junco]

i don't think it's reasonable to ask for that just to apply

it's a reasonable assessment if you pass resume screen

but asking for at least an hour of work (since you also have to deploy it) only to get rejected from the resume screen is icky

would rather do an oa

[storm stream]

the project is both an OA and an interview in a way

because the first round is going over your project

too much work

but it's shopify so kinda worth

[waxen oriole]

uhm....

[azure junco]

maybe 2 years ago

[waxen oriole]

just in case there's any ShopiSpies in here, I agree this is 100% worth

and I love this company so much.

[storm stream]

I mean for Canadian it's not like there are many other options

[short marsh]

is it almost garanteed that anyone who received the takehome gets an interview?

[storm stream]

[storm stream]

no you have to do well on the take home

[azure junco]

No not at all

[short marsh]

ugh

[storm stream]

but if you do well you'll basically pass first round

[short marsh]

i see

also do we submit the url of our forked repository link or the main one (shopify)?

[storm stream]

why would you submit the main one

they wanna look at YOUR code

[short marsh]

its not clear lmao

[trail prism]

can someone send the link for the shopify repo for frontend?

[waxen oriole]

forked repo link

[short marsh]

ok

[waxen oriole]

did you manage to pass all test cases?

[short marsh]

im doing the backend one, the test cases are pretty easy

[waxen oriole]

ah

[velvet spire]

it was asking for the PR link

[short marsh]

"For example: ... please submit the Github challenge link to our Frontend engineering challenge"

english isnt my first language soooo i got it wrong lol

[floral swallow]

Whats the wealthsimple interview like? Anyone have any tips?

[drifting panther]

What does it take to get wealthsimple interview 😭

Been rejected the past 4 times

[real island]

You got it?

[real island]

Loo student or camp counselor

[floral swallow]

no am just wondering

[real island]

Oh

I heard it’s easy

[floral swallow]

camp counseller?

[real island]

It’s a joke

[floral swallow]

is it leetcode or something else?

[real island]

I’ve seen someone

[floral swallow]

bruh no way its a joke

i am hopeful i will get it

[real island]

Who went from camp counselor

[floral swallow]

so starting to prep now

[real island]

To WS

[floral swallow]

??? is that satire

[real island]

Oh mb interview not the joke

No

Interview is OOP

[floral swallow]

damn whatd they have

MIT ?

how do you study for oop

however i did not consider architecture or testin when i built it

i just wanted it to work and get users

is that gonna hinder me

[real island]

Tbh I’m not too sure what they do in that interview

[real island]

I guess just making classes, methods etc

[lapis tide]

I got a question for all yall new grads that still dont have a job yet. Do you guys know oop? Like if i told you can you make a Person class for a bank could you do it without googling solution? Could you access apis in ur code and use it (weather api/open ai for examples) and do something with them? Do you understand some sql and db relationships? If i told you to design a table could you do it or query a table?

[floral swallow]

what would i search to practice thes ekinds of problems? OOP design?

[real island]

Ye

Like design a parking lot, tic tac toe etc

[floral swallow]

you heard the interview was easy?

thanks btw

[real island]

Npnp

[real island]

Ye

[floral swallow]

im curious was it some next programmer from loo that said it was easy lol

[real island]

Just hard to get the interview

[real island]

OOP in general isn’t too bad

[floral swallow]

i suppose, iveonly practiced leetcode

[floral swallow]

i didnt get an interview lol

but have done 2 internships

but didnt really learn a lot tbh

[sour lark]

the key is

pretend you learned a lot

[obsidian adder]

Fr I got two other internships and never heard back from them😭

[hallow sapphire]

^

[wide prairie]

are you able to apply to multiple shopify internship positions?

[placid dawn]

how am I gonna find a job fr

[drifting shore]

@lapis tide

[lapis tide]

Available

[azure junco]

Does anyone know when grindr opens intern apps

[gilded charm]

shopify down?

[lunar sandal]

i heard u need atleast 8 matches on the app to get OA

[short marsh]

theres no matches on grindr

[storm stream]

Canadians

How's everyone doing

[stable ravine]

💀

[worldly ridge]

Chilling in my house rn

[drifting shore]

Why do u hav this in ur house?

[worldly ridge]

should I replace them with anime waifu figurines?

[drifting shore]

👍 yes

That’s a lot better

[worldly ridge]

🤠 👍

[drifting shore]

Get the life-size figurines

[worldly ridge]

hai!!! :3 o7

[drifting shore]

ik wat I’m about to spend my intern money on

[worldly ridge]

[tight gale]

[flint sequoia]

Supposed to start work in April company went ghost since early December not responding to emails of new grad cohort am I screwed

[zenith eagle]

perf weather wys

do an ice plunge in this weather u sissy

and then run 5km shirtless

[zenith eagle]

good lord can u imagine there's a disaster or something and that gets buried

and then uncovered centuries later

"what we see here is an effigy to a goddess called <idk what her name is> -- it is believed to be an object of worship by a subset of the population, mostly males, called "neckbeards" who were deeply into an artform called "anime""

[drifting shore]

gm still waiting for my offer

[fiery prism]

Is drw oa auto?

[zenith eagle]

where

[drifting shore]

Ye

[fiery prism]

How difficult is it

[drifting shore]

Not difficult

[drifting shore]

rainforest

[zenith eagle]

amayon

[meager cairn]

mogged

[fiery prism]

Wtf

[boreal sorrel]

yeg is so fucked rn

[boreal sorrel]

nvm he alr did it for me rip

[real island]

Anyone hear back from wealthsimple yet

[turbid crater]

Bro I had a dream about rem last night, it’s a sign

I neeeeeed that

[fervent knoll]

when i tried applying i got an error after submitting

[neon imp]

Yea a rejection

[real island]

For intern?

[neon imp]

No

FT

[hasty crow]

No way

has anyone done the virtual (final) interview for Amazon yet? I have some questions please

(Intern)

[real island]

Huh

Like the final?

Or some one way interview?

[lost lark]

How difficult is meta ng assessment

[gilded charm]

Same I spent a lot of time then. That happens

[analog jasper]

Heard its a easy, easy/medium, medium, hard (4 questions), btw did a recruiter reach out to you or did you just get OA?

[broken whale]

Neetcode should make girlfriend 150 lc list

go do ur assignment

your godfather

[real island]

Guys is wealthsimple interview auto?

[languid fulcrum]

yes

[real island]

🙏🙏🙏🙏

Congrats on interview everyone

[drifting shore]

Is Wealthsimple reject auto?

[hasty crow]

The final

[weak gazelle]

hey guys is Google recruiter scheduled call (after technicals) auto

[fast pond]

Is shopify backend oa auto?

[real island]

Yuh

[languid fulcrum]

yes

[broken whale]

congrats on UofT lil bro

fuck is designer dog and CSC 108H?

[weak gazelle]

congrats on G

see you in Sunnyvale!

[lapis tide]

Congrats on sundar (best ceo)

[broken whale]

i'll choose loo office over Sunnyvale

loo >>

congrats

F

[weak gazelle]

!process Wealthsimple 2nd technical

[karmic monolith]

You can only use this command in 2022_winter_intern_process, 2022_summer_intern_process, 2022_grad_process, 2022_fall_intern_process, 2023_summer_intern_process, 2024_summer_intern_process, 2023_winter_intern_process, 2023_fall_intern_process, 2023_grad_process, 2024_grad_process

[broken whale]

i'll tell Juda

+1

got

apply -> offer

[weak gazelle]

true

can confirm

hopefully they don't rescind when I transfer everything to RBC high savings account (0.5%)

[broken whale]

cant peak UofT still

[weak gazelle]

nah

UofT mid

loo better

[real island]

Not out yet it’s over

Joever

UofT >>>>>>>> WS

For full time

Unless you know people who did for intern

[fast pond]

man wtf is this shopify oa lmao

[weak gazelle]

robinhood gaps you

[kind hazel]

the data engineering looks easiest ngl

how hard can sql possibly get

[fossil field]

it can get complex but not hard

but i have a 200 line query i need to make lmfao

for work

chatgpt ftw

[fast pond]

bruh I wanted to do backend

seen it was ruby on rails

might just switch to infra since its Go

[fervent knoll]

i applied again tdy and it went thru

[fossil field]

go apply for local/smaller companies peeps please

ur gonna be searching for a job for a year if u keep applying to big names

[weak gazelle]

i legit got an offer from Google and I applied to only 20 companies

[fossil field]

do u have a job?

[weak gazelle]

yea cuz i accepted it

[fossil field]

im talking for a lot peeps who are having a hard time and just applying to big names

[weak gazelle]

i only applied to big names

and still got Google

[drifting shore]

dont think such a population exists

[lapis tide]

I only applied to Jane street

And got in

[weak gazelle]

tho I had JS internship that I got through networking at a rave

that may have helped

[fossil field]

ur still jobless....

[weak gazelle]

damn rude

[lapis tide]

Im literally at Jane street

[fossil field]

are u?

actually?

[weak gazelle]

he is

lol

[fossil field]

bro congratz!!!!!!

[weak gazelle]

i know him personally

[fossil field]

when did u land it?

[stable ravine]

I got a question for all yall new grads that still dont have a job yet. Do you guys know oop? Like if i told you can you make a Person class for a bank could you do it without googling solution? Could you access apis in ur code and use it (weather api/open ai for examples) and do something with them? Do you understand some sql and db relationships? If i told you to design a table could you do it or query a table?

[lapis tide]

Yeah i know gpt 5 personally

[weak gazelle]

I was an intern when he got the FT offer

[lapis tide]

No whats an oop

[drifting shore]

ik everyone personally

[stable ravine]

jover

[fossil field]

buddy you can say all this but ur jobless asf

[weak gazelle]

that guy is at Databricks

so idk what you're on about

[azure junco]

i only applied to snowflake and i got it

[fossil field]

MAN JUST STFU STOP COPY PASTA ME

or do whatever tbh

i actually liking my job now, doing all ai stuff now at the beginning it was all bugs and shit and frontend

[weak gazelle]

what do you do at your job

is it very advanced OOP stuff

[lapis tide]

yeah i use multiple inheritance

daily

[weak gazelle]

damn

i don't even do that at G lol

[lapis tide]

damn

[lunar sandal]

MAN JUST STFU STOP COPY PASTA ME

[lapis tide]

yeah and my grandchild inheritors all overload methods

[fossil field]

rn integrating asp web api for openai assistant

essentially a chatgpt wrapper

[calm elm]

Why new grads without a job

[lapis tide]

they also have polymorphic intergalactic subcontinents

[weak gazelle]

yooo aint no way

[fossil field]

and then implement chat dialoge for customer service + more

[weak gazelle]

are you 10YOE+ @fossil field

cuz that's quite impressive lol

[fossil field]

bro thats what they are assinging me lol

i really progressed at this place

[weak gazelle]

damn

holy fuck

[lunar sandal]

bro is oblivious

[fossil field]

yea so im hyped ai is my dream job

i started full stack and im like whatever its chill

but im always hyped to go to work

[calm elm]

Mine was McDonald’s but now I’m working swe fml

[weak gazelle]

dude I asked G to move me to ML and they laid me off

lol so good for you

[drifting shore]

thats not my definition of an ai engineer

[fossil field]

nah bro wut... what were u doing there?

[fossil field]

ik ik, but i will be implementing models soon

for now im leading the ai development we just started implementing ai in my company

and im actually the most knowledgable in ai lol these seniors are experts in these old technologies

[azure junco]

ask them to change your job title to lead data scientist

[vernal sigil]

ive met this ceo who sold his company for 100 mil the other week at a rave lol he might hire me for his next company for lead ai engineer

[fossil field]

next step

[lapis tide]

damn drop his rave number

[fossil field]

he copy pasta me

[stable ravine]

I wana be a god tier swe like andre

[weak gazelle]

omw to a rave right now

[lapis tide]

@weak gazelle how does it feel to be leading oop engineer at google

[stable ravine]

but I'm skill and brain gapped

[fossil field]

im not god tier but me and chatgpt together is like a senior engineer

funny enough im going to a rave in 4 hours lol

shroomies gonna hit hardddd

[stable ravine]

bro's partying hard and working hard

🔥

[broken whale]

I got a question for all yall new grads that still dont have a job yet. Do you guys know oop? Like if i told you can you make a Person class for a bank could you do it without googling solution? Could you access apis in ur code and use it (weather api/open ai for examples) and do something with them? Do you understand some sql and db relationships? If i told you to design a table could you do it or query a table?

[fossil field]

exactly, work hard play hard

[weak gazelle]

It’s some cool stuff lol
Currently learning how to implement Person class for Google Pay

[stable ravine]

bet bet

[fossil field]

wait wut do u do at google? whats ur position?

[azure junco]

what happens if prod goes down at 4am and you're tripping on shrooms

[fossil field]

like bruh google a dream place since i was a kid

[broken whale]

staff swe

[weak gazelle]

Senior Staff OOP engineer

[fossil field]

lol

wait actually?

[broken whale]

np send me ur resume i view

[lapis tide]

do you leverage encapsulation to enhance the synergy with agile teams and enforce polymorphic paradigms

[weak gazelle]

yea

[fossil field]

wait how old are u

[lapis tide]

oh

[weak gazelle]

I had not thought about that

[fossil field]

age range at least

[lapis tide]

you should

[weak gazelle]

Would you like a referral to Google @lapis tide

[broken whale]

i got google intern interview coming upo @fossil field

[weak gazelle]

Looking for an engineering manager for my team

[lapis tide]

nah im at finch now

[fossil field]

u want my resume?

[stable ravine]

yes pls

me

[broken whale]

for what?

[fossil field]

uhhh why

idk u said to dorp my resume

[weak gazelle]

I joined Google straight outta college and rose through the ranks, 3YOE

[stable ravine]

i want a job like you

[lapis tide]

additionally consider overloading your singletons to multiply your impact on scalable microservice systems

[fossil field]

gawd damn nice @weak gazelle

[broken whale]

my interview on the 22nd

[weak gazelle]

SWE II -> staff -> senior staff

[fossil field]

got major respect for u

[broken whale]

[vernal sigil]

@weak gazelle can i get referral?

[fossil field]

but are u actual senior level and stuff? i guess if they give u senior task u have no option but to do it and learn and then u become senior lol

[lapis tide]

@vernal sigil zon hiring?

fuck zon

[weak gazelle]

Sorry I talked to my SVP about @fossil field and they really want him

[broken whale]

i am incoming at Google @fossil field

[fossil field]

bahahaha

[proven relic]

[broken whale]

?

[stable ravine]

bro just laughed at you

L

https://tenor.com/view/доброе-утро-gif-24865283

[broken whale]

[stable ravine]

nice google img

[lapis tide]

@weak gazelle ensure that you 💉 SOLID dependencies

[broken whale]

send rizzume i refer @fossil field

[broken whale]

ok starbucks

[weak gazelle]

Will talk to my Senior Systems OOP CRUD engineer about that
He was also hired through connecting with me at the Toronto community rave btw

[azure junco]

make sure to perform injection dependency diversion insertion

[fossil field]

i like where im at now

[stable ravine]

wdym who

[broken whale]

💀

[fossil field]

i have full development freedom

and i get to talk to the cto daily

and bring ideas to him

[lapis tide]

❌

[broken whale]

bro thinks his company > Google

💀

[fossil field]

i can make more impact here

[broken whale]

[fossil field]

and more freedom in development which i like rn

[azure junco]

what kind of work does your company do ?

[lunar sandal]

where is this rave?

[fossil field]

fintech

[stable ravine]

know your place

[lunar sandal]

i wanna come too!

[fossil field]

toronto dt

[azure junco]

what kind of fintech

[lapis tide]

similar to ws

[azure junco]

like a bank?

[lunar sandal]

i aint ever seen a rave avenue in dt

[fossil field]

nah like we offer loans and stuff for products, our own and other companies

[lapis tide]

go to jane street

[fossil field]

and a lot more of course

[azure junco]

what's the apr

[fossil field]

u gotta know the right people

[fossil field]

30-40%

[lunar sandal]

i see ur efforts in this channel are still going strong

[lapis tide]

federal funds

[azure junco]

man my credit card has lower apr

[lunar sandal]

much respect to you job

[weak gazelle]

@fossil field with your level of impact you must consider pipelining to FAANG CRUD

[broken whale]

get me a chai tea latte or no tip for yo ass

[lunar sandal]

i couldnt keep this up

[lunar sandal]

go study

[stable ravine]

what's chai

tf you taking abt

[fossil field]

lol eventually but rn im playing it safe, market is so fucked and dont want to risk no job rn

[lapis tide]

chai means coffee in indian

[lunar sandal]

i think chai means tea?

or pepsi?

in indian?

[lapis tide]

indian is one language

if you didnt know

[fossil field]

i wanna get more ft experience before i dip

[azure junco]

i thought chai meant potato ?

[lapis tide]

no

no

[lunar sandal]

means pepsi tea

[azure junco]

like potato flavoured tea

[weak gazelle]

Oh yea don’t quit your job lol

[azure junco]

chai tea

[weak gazelle]

Do OE

[stable ravine]

chai tea means tea tea?

[fossil field]

whats oe

[lapis tide]

johnny s

bro was trolling

[azure junco]

no.... it means potato tea

[weak gazelle]

Over employment

[broken whale]

know your place @stable ravine

[fossil field]

uhhh LOLLL

[lusty bronze]

@fossil field I’m going to the rave too

[broken whale]

dont make me come after your ass

[lusty bronze]

Can u teach me how to network

[lapis tide]

no youre not

[fossil field]

where at?

[lapis tide]

are you at jane street rn

[lusty bronze]

Coda

[weak gazelle]

My manager (L8) is SVP at Apple and Principle at Google at the same time @fossil field

[stable ravine]

I already know I'm bottom g andre is top g

[fossil field]

going to defcon in amsterdam this summer cant fucking wait

[lunar sandal]

im actually raving at the rave rn.

[azure junco]

how are you gonna go to a rave if it's snowing a shit ton outside

[fossil field]

i work 5 days in office AHHHHHh

[lapis tide]

they cleared the streets on jane street

[fossil field]

we always find a way

[weak gazelle]

My manager too

[fossil field]

bruh

i couldnt

[weak gazelle]

He just works remote and does both

[fossil field]

i get home and produce music

[lapis tide]

[weak gazelle]

He’s SVP at Apple btw

[lunar sandal]

can you link to some of your music

[weak gazelle]

SVP, OOP engineering

[lapis tide]

youre manager is joz?

[fossil field]

tbh dont feel like doxxing myself yall are ruthless towards me

[lusty bronze]

@fossil field r u going to lsr city

[weak gazelle]

damn please don’t dox

[lunar sandal]

we are

[lapis tide]

sorry

i mean uh

[lunar sandal]

and we shall continue to be

[lapis tide]

craig

[lunar sandal]

what do u expect

[fossil field]

im more into hard techno/techno/hardstyle/techo-psytrance

[weak gazelle]

Craig Federighi yep

@fossil field u know him?

[fossil field]

probably

[lunar sandal]

from the kind of persoanlity thats dedicated enough to break into loo from HS

[fossil field]

oh that guy lol

theres no way hes ur manager

[weak gazelle]

L8 at Google and SVP OOP Engineering at Apple

[weak gazelle]

He is lol

[fossil field]

BRO

[weak gazelle]

I told you I’m L7

[fossil field]

r u trolling?

[weak gazelle]

What

[lapis tide]

whag

[fossil field]

u cant be lying to me like this if u are

[lunar sandal]

and so Andre had gained self awareness

[weak gazelle]

Wdym

[lapis tide]

[fossil field]

i mean alr no reason for all of this

[lunar sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/scared-no-andre-the-giant-wwf-wrestling-gif-4998464

[weak gazelle]

dude Craig is literally my manager

[lapis tide]

https://tenor.com/view/developers-gif-13292051

[weak gazelle]

Sundar is my Skip lol

[lunar sandal]

can confirm

[lapis tide]

tell sundar to be better ceo

[weak gazelle]

He’s getting laid off

[fossil field]

dw about it i have my machine learning trading bot going everyday

[weak gazelle]

Damn

[fossil field]

nope, working with crypto smart contracts

markets open 24/7

bot is working 24/7

[weak gazelle]

How much have you made so far in 2024

We may look into integrating your bot into Google Wallet

[lapis tide]

$50

[fossil field]

322 bnb

sorry sorry

thought u meant 2023

like 15 bnb

[vernal sigil]

595500

[fossil field]

300$ or so * 322

so like 96000

but im hodling

no, u go to york

percisely

[lunar sandal]

what is your networth @fossil field

[fossil field]

-100,000$

[lunar sandal]

gotcha

[fossil field]

lol

nah its held up in staking rn so im not taking any out

i started mining my first btc when i was 12 back in 2013 or so

but i had no idea how to save it in wallet and forgot about it LMFAO

[lunar sandal]

😮

really!?

[fossil field]

yuh

[weak gazelle]

How much do u have in your BTC ledger @fossil field

[fossil field]

got back into it in 2016 so it was like 2k then?

[fossil field]

no btc 😎

only eth and bnb

and ada and matic

[lunar sandal]

can you name one valid use case for cryptocurrency

[fossil field]

meh but im still developing my ml/ai strategy

bro so many

for example smart contracts

[lunar sandal]

but what will i use smart contract for

im not smart

[lapis tide]

Whats so smart about these contracts

[lunar sandal]

😦

[lapis tide]

Can it make my bed?

[lunar sandal]

i think so

u should ask @fossil field

[lapis tide]

Can it feed a family of four?

Not so smart after all, bucko.

[lunar sandal]

hows PEY

[lapis tide]

Whats that

[lunar sandal]

apologies

[fossil field]

Financial Services:

Decentralized Finance (DeFi): Smart contracts are the backbone of DeFi platforms, enabling functions like borrowing, lending, and earning interest without the need for traditional financial intermediaries.
Automated Payments: They can automate regular, conditional payments like salaries, dividends, or loan repayments.
Insurance: Streamlining claims processing through automated verification and instant payouts.
Supply Chain Management:

Tracking Goods: Smart contracts can track the provenance and movement of goods in a supply chain, ensuring authenticity and compliance.
Automated Compliance: Ensuring that goods meet regulatory standards automatically, reducing manual checks.
Real Estate:

Property Sales: Facilitating and recording property transactions securely and transparently, reducing the need for intermediaries like agents and lawyers.
Rent Payments and Leasing Agreements: Automating rent payments and enforcing leasing terms.
Legal Processes:

Automated Enforcement of Contracts: Executing contractual clauses when predefined conditions are met, reducing legal disputes.
Notary Services: Verification and authentication of documents.
Gaming and Entertainment:

Ownership of Digital Assets: Ensuring true ownership and transferability of in-game assets or digital collectibles (like NFTs).
Royalty Distribution: Automating royalty payments to artists and creators based on content usage.

[vernal sigil]

Financial Services:

Decentralized Finance (DeFi): Smart contracts are the backbone of DeFi platforms, enabling functions like borrowing, lending, and earning interest without the need for traditional financial intermediaries.
Automated Payments: They can automate regular, conditional payments like salaries, dividends, or loan repayments.
Insurance: Streamlining claims processing through automated verification and instant payouts.
Supply Chain Management:

Tracking Goods: Smart contracts can track the provenance and movement of goods in a supply chain, ensuring authenticity and compliance.
Automated Compliance: Ensuring that goods meet regulatory standards automatically, reducing manual checks.
Real Estate:

Property Sales: Facilitating and recording property transactions securely and transparently, reducing the need for intermediaries like agents and lawyers.
Rent Payments and Leasing Agreements: Automating rent payments and enforcing leasing terms.
Legal Processes:

Automated Enforcement of Contracts: Executing contractual clauses when predefined conditions are met, reducing legal disputes.
Notary Services: Verification and authentication of documents.
Gaming and Entertainment:

Ownership of Digital Assets: Ensuring true ownership and transferability of in-game assets or digital collectibles (like NFTs).
Royalty Distribution: Automating royalty payments to artists and creators based on content usage.

[lunar sandal]

i asked u not chat gpt

[fossil field]

quick little gpt response

[lunar sandal]

:/

[fossil field]

yea but thats basically what i was going to say

[lunar sandal]

ah gotcha

[lapis tide]

Name 1 thing specifically

[vernal sigil]

smart contracts

[lunar sandal]

thanks for imparting your benevolent wisdom

[tropic creek]

Hi AndreFullStacknow

thoughts on fortnite

[weak gazelle]

Financial Services:

Decentralized Finance (DeFi): Smart contracts are the backbone of DeFi platforms, enabling functions like borrowing, lending, and earning interest without the need for traditional financial intermediaries.
Automated Payments: They can automate regular, conditional payments like salaries, dividends, or loan repayments.
Insurance: Streamlining claims processing through automated verification and instant payouts.
Supply Chain Management:

Tracking Goods: Smart contracts can track the provenance and movement of goods in a supply chain, ensuring authenticity and compliance.
Automated Compliance: Ensuring that goods meet regulatory standards automatically, reducing manual checks.
Real Estate:

Property Sales: Facilitating and recording property transactions securely and transparently, reducing the need for intermediaries like agents and lawyers.
Rent Payments and Leasing Agreements: Automating rent payments and enforcing leasing terms.
Legal Processes:

Automated Enforcement of Contracts: Executing contractual clauses when predefined conditions are met, reducing legal disputes.
Notary Services: Verification and authentication of documents.
Gaming and Entertainment:

Ownership of Digital Assets: Ensuring true ownership and transferability of in-game assets or digital collectibles (like NFTs).
Royalty Distribution: Automating royalty payments to artists and creators based on content usage.

[fossil field]

okay lets say a dealer wants to sell a car and person has a loan on it. A smart contract would allow automatic payments and if its connected to the car, could allow the car to not start, not open trunk etc

[lunar sandal]

😮

[fossil field]

if they miss 1 payment, they could lock the trunk from opening

etc etc more severe

[lunar sandal]

that sounds pretty predatory 😦

[fossil field]

for sure but theres more than that use case

[lunar sandal]

and violent 😦

[lapis tide]

Or they could set a 30% interest rate on it

[fossil field]

im just telling use case of money lol

[vernal sigil]

u dont need crypto for that

u just need internet

[fossil field]

at the end of the day business want money

[tropic creek]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1058796833826144317/1075901731961065492/image0-5.gif

[fossil field]

as well, compared to regular payment methods, smart contract transaction on bnb is only .20$

[lunar sandal]

alright enough yapping lil bro, ANYONE HEARD FROM ZON ANNAPURNAL ML POSITION?

[drifting shore]

Rave and party

[vernal sigil]

connections

[fossil field]

while credit card fees + a lot more can equal 5% of total payment... which can be in thousands

[lapis tide]

5% is crazy

[fossil field]

anyways its crazy useful and is already used

[tropic creek]

are you the real messi

[languid fulcrum]

Not gonna be active on Discord tonight. I'm dooming in half an hour (wouldn't expect a lot of you to understand anyway) so please don't DM me asking me where I am (I'm dooming, ok) you'll most likely get aired because I'll be dooming (again I don't expect you to understand). It's actually really interesting to me and it's not a situation I can pass up for some meaningless Discord degenerates (because I'll be dooming, not that you really are going to understand). This is my life now. Dooming and not wasting my precious time online, I have to move on from such simple things and branch out (you wouldn't understand).

[lunar sandal]

Not gonna be active on Discord tonight. I'm dooming in half an hour (wouldn't expect a lot of you to understand anyway) so please don't DM me asking me where I am (I'm dooming, ok) you'll most likely get aired because I'll be dooming (again I don't expect you to understand). It's actually really interesting to me and it's not a situation I can pass up for some meaningless Discord degenerates (because I'll be dooming, not that you really are going to understand). This is my life now. Dooming and not wasting my precious time online, I have to move on from such simple things and branch out (you wouldn't understand).

[fossil field]

Not gonna be active on Discord tonight. I'm dooming in half an hour (wouldn't expect a lot of you to understand anyway) so please don't DM me asking me where I am (I'm dooming, ok) you'll most likely get aired because I'll be dooming (again I don't expect you to understand). It's actually really interesting to me and it's not a situation I can pass up for some meaningless Discord degenerates (because I'll be dooming, not that you really are going to understand). This is my life now. Dooming and not wasting my precious time online, I have to move on from such simple things and branch out (you wouldn't understand).

lOL

[fossil field]

i like u

[lunar sandal]

I dot

dont

you wouldnt understand.

[lapis tide]

Damb

[tropic creek]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1060393946049691698/1146469038327877783/mematicMeme.gif

[lapis tide]

What if I wanted to traverse the whole tree

Dumbass

[tropic creek]

nlogn

[lapis tide]

The fuck

[tropic creek]

wait its also logn @lapis tide

[stable ravine]

interviewover

[azure junco]

mf if there are n nodes how is traversing all of them logn

[lunar sandal]

magic

[lapis tide]

The fuck

[tropic creek]

but what does it mean traversing the whole tree? does it mean visiting every node? or going from root to leaf

[lunar sandal]

yes he mean visit all node

[tropic creek]

ok I misunderstood 💀

[weak gazelle]

send link

will@meet you there

[lunar sandal]

visiting rn at the rave im at

[weak gazelle]

My SVP has expressed interest in you

[lunar sandal]

(you wouldn't get it.)

King St West

next to the homeless shelter

[tropic creek]

Alexandra Park

[azure junco]

that doesn't sound like king st west

[tropic creek]

Madison is the spot fr tho

[azure junco]

i've only ever been there once

and it was dead

there was a cssu event LOL

[tropic creek]

💀 \

CSSU gonna do a rockclimbing event soon 💀

[azure junco]

ok but when i went they had no idea what the cssu was

no we go to york

[tropic creek]

I go to trent U

[lunar sandal]

my condolences

[tropic creek]

yes

Im homless

I live in one

[wheat comet]

Goodmorning

[signal sail]

Intern or ft ?

[short marsh]

"Sorry, we don't think you're a good candidate for our Frontend React Developer position"

i dont think they started screening DRW OA yet

cus i implemented a O(n!) bruteforce solution and still havent received a reject email

after OA?

[broken whale]

A week

[vernal sigil]

Didn’t the oa come out last week?

[tropic creek]

nah im kidding i dont go there but its university in Ontario

[lapis tide]

where you go

[tropic creek]

you tell me first

[lunar sandal]

if u get recruiter email from IBM abt next steps, is good sign?

wow

ng ppl doing intern OAs

its over for us

[analog current]

so true

i did one with google if you’re interested in hearing about it in dms

except it’s research

mentee

idk what that is

[wheat comet]

why arent u helping me out too

[analog current]

i didn’t apply google im a 1st year

i have amazon instead

[wheat comet]

leave the kids in local uni, help the kids here (me)

so create some. drop ur least promising local uni kid

[lunar sandal]

Doesn’t OpenAI hire PhDs

[analog current]

idrc i am just focusing on comfort tbh

im just chilling since i got it really early

[lunar sandal]

tf

As what data cleaners ?

Hm

How do you know what the proper profile is

sauce it

Ah

[wheat comet]

how long did it take u to get a response

i applied for a position in september 2023, still says submitted 😆

[analog current]

2 weeks

[wheat comet]

crazy

[lunar sandal]

Ty for dropping this gem btw lol

Appreciate it

[wheat comet]

so they forget to reject me or what

[lunar sandal]

No they ain’t I’m still under consideration for ml position 😭

Intern

Neuron compiler engineer

[analog current]

do yall do american hackathons

[lunar sandal]

Annapurna

[analog current]

for funnnnnnnnnnn

student

i need a treehacks team

[lunar sandal]

I fear my resume being too tunnel visioned into ml.. not passing many SWE screens even with technical skills
Advice ?

where to post

[analog current]

i think im more excited about the people and the culture yeah, it looks promising to build a questionable project in a few days but something about the vibes and shit

[lunar sandal]

kk wan sec

[analog current]

idfk

[lunar sandal]

I’ll @ u in 5

[analog current]

i dont disagree

i dont like american healthcare

wdym

[wheat comet]

feels more common in the US tho

[analog current]

i think its just the idea of going on a trip and doin some tech shit for a few days could be fun

also i have american friends at treehacks so its all chill vibes

[drifting shore]

too ngmi to get into university hackathons

[analog current]

the thing is we're interesting in different projects 🥴

theres a big ai culture at treehacks

also their rent has me screaming

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

did u know they dont evaluate you as a team

my queens friend got rejected

maybe they want more noobs, i see people getting accepted/rejected/accepted htn everyyyyyyyyy year

its like what do they want

u feel me

[lunar sandal]

test

[analog current]

one of my friends here just submits the same essay every year and got rejected last year accepted this year accepted tye years before

[drifting shore]

i abandoned my team cuz rbc interview was the day after the hackathon

[lunar sandal]

uoft hacks. my own uni. rejected me.

[sour lark]

why abandon for that

[lunar sandal]

imagine

[drifting shore]

cuz im ngmi

[analog current]

im excited for treehacks 😍

[sour lark]

idk what ngmi is lol

from what I remember of my RBC interviews I never had tech questions

and got offers

[drifting shore]

didnt know it was pure bq

[analog current]

so real

i think its idk, just more fun since i have a job

to go on these trips outside ur country and just build a project and hang out

idrc if its cali or not, i care that its funded lol

[sour lark]

its either pure bq or lc easy

[lost lark]

Recruiter reached out

But im def gonna fail the oa im so ass at them

[wheat comet]

spoke to one of the people at htn, 2023 there were 3 questions that were looked at, all 3 have different weights if i remember correctly, and each coordinator gets a certain amount of apps, and they grade ur questions. people with the highest scores get in, but they also check ur github and compare against the experience u say you have, for example if u say this is ur first hackathon but ur github has 2 hackathon projects done. or if ur a 3rd year and u havent dont any hackathons, they apparently find that weird

so i guess the main thing is who is looking at ur question answers

some people might score it higher than others

[analog current]

Interesting

Ik of this dudes Reddit post that went viral because of affirmative action in htn

you’re free to have whatever opinion on that, however i know the dude who made the post and he’s this super insecure dude, but a minority himself

bro is throwing other minorities under the bus

[wheat comet]

does htn claim to do affirmative action or is he just guessing cuz some of his apps made it and some didnt

[analog current]

hes just guessing

[wheat comet]

hmm

i would assume they dont actually have affirmative action

but yea weird

[analog current]

yeah favouring minority groups

[wheat comet]

could try attending some random online hackathons

[analog current]

thats good too

[wheat comet]

but i dont think its a big factor

[analog current]

idk why he made that post

he literally put in his bio "waterlooreject"

he goes to ubc and like, hes a nice guy but holy he is really insecure

[wheat comet]

do u know him irl ?

[analog current]

no, but i have friends who have met him, i have had multiple interactions with him

he refused a hackathon with my friend because he "didnt want to lose" and only goes to hackathons he thinks he will win

he doesnt have any wins

[wheat comet]

ah makes sense, yea its a fun little experience tbh

esp if u have a cool group

[wheat comet]

???? LMFAO

[analog current]

tbh same its just the vibin in tech kinda thing

i like vibing

[analog current]

wtf does that even mean

like deadass

and why

😭

[wheat comet]

i mean i won htn with what was basically a gpt wrapper

no backend

[analog current]

people were calling him "waterloo reject" irl

[wheat comet]

just a frontend

[analog current]

"is that waterloo reject"

[wheat comet]

bro is min maxing his hackathon W/L ratio

yea kinda sucks

but the other winners had super cool projects

like one had a mind controlled car

one had a super well built piano vr thing

yea true

[analog current]

are yall talking about htn

[wheat comet]

but i still think its worth tinkering with even if u dont end up winning

yea htn

[analog current]

the people in my cohort won that

i didnt attend but it was fun to watch

[wheat comet]

yea i dont think its close to applicable in real world but was fun to see

[wheat comet]

which project did they do

so many of the winners were ubc

[analog current]

its called like dejavu or something

[wheat comet]

oh yea that project was super cool

[analog current]

anyways speaking of intl hackathons from earlier

i think hack@brown is open still

but idk how it is

[wheat comet]

i wouldve applied to intl hackathons this year but i still havent renewed my passport so i didnt bother

[analog current]

i dont even have mine and im applying LMFAO

i got into calhacks, hackprinceton and tried to speed up the process in oct but my passport got rejected

which was a waste of my money and sad ASF

[lunar sandal]

no way yall keep track of hackathon wins

[analog current]

i mean who cares but like, thats what he said

like it aint that deep

[lunar sandal]

hackathon shud be renamed to MVPathon

nonfunctional

and done in Figma

[analog current]

i dont get how this guy expects to win and not attend any

hes only attended 2 i think

[wheat comet]

yea thats weird

sorry for ping, is this still updated

says 2023 so ig not

😔

[vivid fiber]

I graduated

Sorry 😞

[spice herald]

Did anyone get shopify OA for backend? I applied today but haven't received it yet 😭 Wasn't it auto??

[fiery prism]

I don’t think shopify oa is auto

[spice herald]

geez, yeah that might be the case

[fiery prism]

I just got rejected

Ye guess I don’t have common sense with them

[spice herald]

Were there any trick ones? I thought those were pretty straightforward if you read the articles properly

[worthy orbit]

only the first article question was tricky everything else was common sense

[spice herald]

pretty sure I got that as "proving honest answers when prompted". Don't know what went wrong fml

[terse burrow]

whats his name bro

i might know him

you can dm me

[kind hazel]

nahhh dont :)))

also ruby is quite literally python on steroid

if u like py you will like ruby

the amount of syntax sugaring in ruby is insane

[floral swallow]

Wealthsimple said they'd send out interviews over this weekend right?

[real island]

Friday - Monday

[floral swallow]

Like between Friday and Monday? Or Friday and Monday

[real island]

they said between so maybe they will send some on weekend but im not sure if they would

only thing we can do is wait

[real island]

wait for intern? I think i asked you already lol mb i saw i got pinged but its too far up now

[lunar sandal]

actually

latter

u gotta be in 3rd year at the moment of application

so yea finish 3rd year prior to start date

[full hound]

this shopify oa is the most broken take home i've ever done

i hope its intentional, otherwise alarming af lol

[full hound]

test cases make no sense in regards to the description

[night snow]

I applied for a position and a person with 0 connections told me to check WhatsApp for making appointments in a LinkedIn DM 🤨
Should I even bother downloading WhatsApp and creating an account, it sounds like a scam

[azure junco]

No

Anything swe job that involves WhatsApp is super sus at best lol

You can continue if you really need a job

But if they ask for money or they're like "we will send you money, you buy yourself equipment" run right away

[night snow]

yeah it's a data analyst position
I felt like I just gave my information (phone, email, resume) away for free

[short marsh]

Were shopify oa also open sources projects on github last year?

If so, how did they review prs? Did they publicly say who passes lol?

[lapis tide]

what if i really wanted equipment

[azure junco]

I'll write you a check for $2000 and you can use it to buy equipment from one of my authorized sellers pookie

[fossil field]

nah they jsut give everyone oas just to be like we will take a chance on u so u go to them in the future when ur a intermiedaite or senior engineer but they dont hire anyone. Mostly internally or return offers

[short marsh]

youre lying

[fossil field]

why you think no one is saying they got the offer or got the job for all these oa's...

all these companies hire internally first

[real island]

Cuz not everyone uses discord or publicly shares their offers

[lapis tide]

nah shopify not hiring

this is fr

[real island]

@fossil field I don’t know OOP am I screwed?

[azure junco]

I'll hire you, you should buy some company authorized equipment with the money I just sent you

[real island]

[lapis tide]

thanks love

I haven't received it?

[real island]

Job is typing where job

[fossil field]

yes.

[stable ravine]

[floral swallow]

They sent out rejections?

[short marsh]

did anyone even receive an OA or interview for wealthsimple?

[real island]

They gonna ghost you if you ask

I tried twice 💀

[real island]

They don’t have OA

You’re a full time at Zon

Quit trolling lol

[lapis tide]

man is in every server

[real island]

Steven 2.0

[stable ravine]

L4.5?