canada

[lunar sandal]

but

probably mostly loo up until now

Are u at G rn

send referral my way

[storm stream]

my convo was almost 4 years ago... glad things have changed

[lunar sandal]

(Begs)

[storm stream]

nah long time ago

[lunar sandal]

[azure junco]

man i love living in an economy in which 40% is comprised of housing

[lunar sandal]

id take that

For resume value

HOW are people picky in this market

[eternal fossil]

it was true lol

i remember

there was a leaked twitter hiring doc

specifically name dropped waterloo

[storm stream]

this one? @eternal fossil

ye that's why I mentioned it

[eternal fossil]

oh shit yeah

my bad i only scrolled up a bit

crazy

how far twitter has come lol

they had an insane bar now its run by some lunatic

i remember seeing this

after i had an OA from them sitting in my inbox

and i knew how bad i bombed the OA

twitter had some hard OAs back then even

yeah i "attended" a g resume workshop

and it was basically whatever this discords resume people say

yes, for swe they say mention courses

usually under education

and projects etc

[errant agate]

For my resume I focused on work experience and GDSC, had a link to my GitHub but I didn’t talk about projects directly on my cv

Idk if that was a good move or not

But I’ve worked in biotech as a software dev intern / consultant for 2.5 years and before that had a mildly successful game dev LLC for 3 years. Didn’t rly want to remove some of that for some hackathon project I did in 24h

[fallen mason]

i mean applied to job on linkedin

but congrats on linkedin

[analog current]

i heard this wasn’t legit but I’m not entirely sure

ya it’s low compared to us locations but it’s literally 6 figures 😭

im in their research mentorship program and heard it’s 160k for Waterloo but even then that sounds higher

[analog current]

ok i just found out its because he stole 7k from them 💀

man

[drifting shore]

[worldly ridge]

@tight gale

can you relate

[zenith eagle]

gm frens

[real island]

Damn no UofT Joever

[zenith eagle]

uoft too busy brutalizing undergrads with ridiculously hard and annoying psets to not give them any time to be lc monkeys like loo

i still get ptsd from some of the integrals asked

[real island]

Lmao real

You graduated now?

[zenith eagle]

yeah just have to await the uni to do their bs on their end

but in spirit no i don't feel like i graduated

but seriously fuck uoft year 1-2.5

imho year 1-2.5 should be relatively easy to allow for everyone to be lc monkeys to establish a good internship or two

then crank the heat

mfing TA's for some math and cs classes were like oh god they've made it even harder this year i don't know if i could've done as well as i did if i took the course now

[lucid loom]

r the canadian new grd jobes not listed as "role (new grad)" or r there legit still none open

[stable ravine]

none open

[lucid loom]

lol

[lucid loom]

theres no roles at all homie

let alone 200k+

[lunar sandal]

Blud must be Waterloo

With those expectations

Depends how bad /quickly you want PR I guess

Won’t it take you more than that? Are you a masters student ?

If ur undergrad I’m pretty sure you apply after 1 year of work, so 2 years minimum

Co op doesn’t count to work exp

ah

[real island]

If you can get H1B go for it

Hmm damn

Do you have any other offers?

NG? Or you been working for a while

Hmm if you getting paid the same, then just take NG tbh

Unless the internship can give RO

And is known to

[stable ravine]

Are you ng?

[real island]

Oh damn you got Microsoft

Ngl lowkey I would take the internship maybe in this case

I think Microsoft RO is good

From what I heard

Yee see what’s works

[lucid loom]

but r u NG

[real island]

Start up pays that much hmmm

[lucid loom]

dawg take that tf

[real island]

Tbh tho NG in this market I would take

You don’t know if it’s going to get better or worse from here

[lucid loom]

thats worth even more

[real island]

Yee still good tho

[lucid loom]

if u believe in the startup esp

[real island]

Internship you can do then get stuck finding a NG job

Which is worse

[stable ravine]

Worse

[real island]

💀

Hmmm

Has it been guaranteed for summer ‘23 interns?

Damn nice

[real island]

Zip recruiter does seem like a good option here

You seem like you’re a hard worker so I doubt you wouldn’t get it because of bad performance

Only issue would be HC I guess

If you’re wiling to take a risk then do zip recruiter otherwise take the NG offer

[zenith eagle]

where'd u work? and how many YOE?

u can dm if u dont wanna share

[real island]

Ye

Do both if you can

Hmm NG I’d just pick what’s best for me

Best case is pushing the start date for startup

Then doing zip recruiter ig

I would say try pushing date first then decide based on their decision

Doesn’t hurt to ask but yeah worse case I guess you could try for ziprecuiter RO

[lapis tide]

rich

[azure junco]

It doesn't get better after that

I found year 3 is harder than year 1 and 2 personally

[lapis tide]

you just got dumber

[azure junco]

Maybe

I expect to get 70% in 373 after I got 86% in 263

Actually I might get like 60% depending on how I do in the exam lol

[zenith eagle]

man the first years were brutal, getting puched in the gut trynna internship hunt with 0 exp and doing the apply to internships clownery while also failing oa's cusz ur lc skills aint honed yet and doing uoft years 1-2

[azure junco]

I mean if you can find a job where you only work like 2 real hours a week and can still contribute to expectations I don't see why not

[zenith eagle]

i wouldn't wish first year internship hunting stress on anyone

[azure junco]

Did you also experience mat137

[zenith eagle]

alphonso?

[azure junco]

Yes

🤝

[zenith eagle]

[azure junco]

Except I didn't have Alfonso for my year

[zenith eagle]

can we not talk about it tho

[azure junco]

But we still watched his videos

Yes sorry it was traumatic

[zenith eagle]

new year i've sage'd my mine i don't wanna sage my mind again

fresh start no ptsd

https://tenor.com/view/sage-burning-cleanse-smoke-gif-17763794

and looking back i've never used any calc knowledge, not really

[azure junco]

Oh that changes it a lot

Play it safe until you get pr

You don't want to get something rescinded

[zenith eagle]

and unless i use ml/cv/graphics i never use linear and whenever i do use those domains i use like the base topics

srsly why do they burden us with the stupid theorems and proofs

i don't care about that shit i wanna implement shit with all the math i learn

[azure junco]

I'm ngl after taking csc373 every OA I've ever taken has been a breeze, save for tiktok and snowflake

[lucid loom]

new grad worse

[zenith eagle]

idk about that man i still struggle on oa's

[lucid loom]

only difference is i care way less

[drifting shore]

tiktok is not too bad, snowflake was pure cancer

[zenith eagle]

i know the pattern and whatnot it's the implementaiton that gets me

[lucid loom]

373 does not make every oa a breeze

that is js cap

[zenith eagle]

my algo course was no coding just fucking proofs and pages and pages of LaTeX assignment crap

[stable ravine]

how are you coping with depression ? 😭

[lucid loom]

very well tbh

[zenith eagle]

how does knowing the lemma for loop invariance fucking help me solve oa's?

[lucid loom]

just came back from a nice trip

[stable ravine]

like formulating tc and sc?

[lucid loom]

gonna diversify my shit cause wtf is tech lmap

[zenith eagle]

i mean i knew that before i took algos

[stable ravine]

lmap?

[lucid loom]

lmao

[zenith eagle]

i don't need a fucking proof to calcualte tc and sc for like 95% of algos

unless u get into stirling's approximation and whatever

[stable ravine]

I would work 24*7 for 80k

[azure junco]

I would say "good" is 100k, average is somewhere around 70k-80k

Maybe I'm brain broken idk

[lucid loom]

tragic fr

[errant agate]

My internship rn in Montreal is base pay 65 + 20 options, and I had that as a sophomore

[zenith eagle]

oh wtf

where u @?

[errant agate]

So I was hoping over 100 when I graduate

[zenith eagle]

[errant agate]

At a biotech startup

[azure junco]

Most tech first companies

[zenith eagle]

damn

feelsbadman

[azure junco]

Like companies where their main product is tech

Not necessarily big tech or faang

[real island]

Maybe but burnout could be bad if it happens

[drifting shore]

furniture

[real island]

Some F500, startups

[lapis tide]

you never got to experience alfonso live 😔

[azure junco]

I will be a furniture salesman

[stable ravine]

wayfair?

[azure junco]

no 😭😭😭😭

but his memory lives on

every new cohort of students get to see him

I think tiktok pays like 200k

[lapis tide]

tiktok L

[azure junco]

Amazon paid like $140k base??

[drifting shore]

for mle

[azure junco]

I think

[drifting shore]

swe is around 180

[azure junco]

The best company in the world, Wayfair™️ paid like 120k base I think last year

[real island]

wtf fr?

[lapis tide]

congrats on wayfair

[real island]

Most don’t in Canada yes but they do exist

[analog current]

here?

[azure junco]

Yeah

I think

[analog current]

idk

[azure junco]

someone corroborate

[analog current]

amazon tc for Vancouver is 160k but im not sure if the base is that high

[real island]

Idt base is 140k

Seems too high

[azure junco]

I always thought l4's don't get much stock

[real island]

Prob like 110-120

[analog current]

this sounds more realistic

[lapis tide]

tell that to steven

[azure junco]

no I know ppl who work at amazon who have said they bumped it up recently

[analog current]

phteven

[lucid loom]

job january was a myth tho

[analog current]

i am interning

[real island]

Base recently was 113k for ROs

[lapis tide]

imagine being this guy

[real island]

So I doubt a 30k increase in base pay

[lucid loom]

lucky him

he has a job

so

[lapis tide]

fr

we dont know that

[azure junco]

Ask your new grad coworkers and tell us what they say

[analog current]

54

[azure junco]

maybe it was 140k tc 😭

[azure junco]

is this including housing stipend or base ?

[analog current]

not including housing stipend

[azure junco]

Jesus

[errant agate]

Damn

[drifting shore]

i need that

[errant agate]

In Canada ur getting 54 for interning?

[azure junco]

Ok comparison is the thief of joy because I thought I was making a lot a few weeks ago before talking here more often 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[lapis tide]

prorated youre making more than median income

[drifting shore]

we are making a lot

[analog current]

ya

[drifting shore]

[azure junco]

If they fly us to Boston for orientation I will be more than happy with everything else

[errant agate]

Isn’t google like 30?

[analog current]

a bit higher

[azure junco]

I think that's step(?)

Actual swe is higher

[lapis tide]

oh no

[analog current]

step is 35 in usd idk ab canada

[lapis tide]

30

[lucid loom]

have they released any articles or in depth papers on why tech sucks ass rn

ik inflation and recession and yadeeyada but an actual paper w stats and metrics on it

[lapis tide]

how tf you gonna get that published

[lucid loom]

cause its a bit funny how bad it is

im not

[errant agate]

Anyone know what the swe is?

[lucid loom]

im asking if its been done

[drifting shore]

i don't think it gonna happen due to visa issues

[azure junco]

Interest rates going up = no free wash money = money burning parts of companies are cut and startups that burn money go bankrupt = layoffs = more people searching, less jobs = lower salaries and fewer positions

[analog current]

im planning to get out of canada

LMFAO

[azure junco]

sorry you sent this after I finished writing like half of my explanation and was not about to delete my work

[lucid loom]

so how fix

[real island]

Lmao

[lapis tide]

interest rates go up => i earn more interest in my savings account

[real island]

Real

[lapis tide]

good 👍

[real island]

Can’t do tech here

[azure junco]

Stop the tiktok trends of "day in the life of a software engineer at ..."

[lapis tide]

stop blaming tiktok

[analog current]

no no sorry

i mean

i am canadian

[lucid loom]

i never got a chance to

[analog current]

im not intl

[analog current]

literally i just am tired of the cold

[azure junco]

Wait are you at amazon rn for winter

[analog current]

no summer

[drifting shore]

fuck tiktok

[lapis tide]

fr

[azure junco]

external offer ? Or return intern

[analog current]

external this is my first internship

im in first year

first uni internship

where are you from

if youre from something not that populated id imagine pr would be easier to obtain

if u have a uni degree

damn

[lucid loom]

WTF THE TIKTOK OA WENT TO SPAM

N I MISSED IT

FUCKKKKKKKKK

[lapis tide]

[analog current]

im talking about like more remote where u dont have a lot of pr applicants

like iceland or something lmfao

[errant agate]

F

[analog current]

OH yeah

it is

[lucid loom]

wait it says they supposed to send another invitation after two weeks tho

[lapis tide]

they might not

they are known for being flaky with that

[lucid loom]

bro they sent the email at like 3am lmao

my inbox prolly thought it was pornhub or sm

wtf b, i was legit waiting on that shit

[tight gale]

Did you use nuwins referral?

[real island]

Yeah US is risky

[lucid loom]

Nah

[stable ravine]

bro uses same email for ph and job apps

💀

[azure junco]

I remember last year I got meta OA and it was sent to spam 💀

[turbid crater]

Just checked my spams, no manga oa 😞

[modest arrow]

Anyone gave wayfair interview?

[hot spruce]

anybody here who switched out of CS?

instead of the other way around

[drifting shore]

its cscd

[hot spruce]

yeah i know. just wondering if we got lurkers

[zenith eagle]

I convinced my roomie to drop out of CS to be an electrician

y'all should be thanking me

less competition for u

[violet topaz]

No

Not for first years anyways

$150 != 200. First years closer to $140

My non-FAANG job paid $145k TC for my first year because I missed 3/4 of my yearly bonus. Should be about $177k this year

[zenith eagle]

GABAGOOL?!?!?? ova here 👇

https://tenor.com/view/gabagool-silvio-dante-the-sopranos-gif-17073344

[violet topaz]

It starts with an H.

[zenith eagle]

HBO

tony getting fat bucks from hbo that's why he can afford his nj mansion and gabagool

[real island]

Sure

[fickle juniper]

Canada? HubSpot US is defs more than this even if u suck

Oh wait nvm, sounds like not HS

[drifting shore]

Huawei

[modest arrow]

Hey, need some advice on Wayfair. DMed you!

[eternal fossil]

I’m bouta apply to data annotations

Fuck it

[azure junco]

There's one for Toronto

But it's not very active

I dmed you the invite

Hmmm maybe you could try asking if anyone is Canadian in #international ?

[hallow sapphire]

i have the ubc coop server

I dont care

unemployed >:)

[tawny zephyr]

chad move

[zenith eagle]

both ph and job hunting result in the same outcome: feelings of overwhelming shame and worthlessness

[vivid fiber]

@azure junco if you want to share another server please send it in #server-links or dms

[analog current]

anyone done RBC OA, what kind of questions and is it hard?

[tough knot]

I think it was 2 easy, 1 med, and 1 hard

first 3 are doable

it’s a codesignal proctored

[analog current]

70min to do 4 questions 😭

[tough knot]

It’s a codesignal right

[analog current]

yea

[tough knot]

yeah okay

[analog current]

and proctored

[tough knot]

yep

I don’t think they expect you to do all 4 (I didn’t)

[analog current]

did you get in?

[tough knot]

Yeah

[analog current]

shit when

[tough knot]

Oct

[lunar sandal]

wtf? what role?

[analog current]

so for winter term then

[wheat comet]

How many did u do

[tough knot]

Yeah and for summer

[analog current]

software developer

[lunar sandal]

s24?intern?

[analog current]

WTF you got in for 8 months then

[lunar sandal]

4/8 month?

[tough knot]

yeah, it was an 8 months, well they asked me how long I was looking for

[analog current]

siftware developer summer 2024 4 months

[lunar sandal]

damn they sent out OA already..

[wheat comet]

How many questions did u get

[lunar sandal]

i didnr get anything

[tough knot]

3/4

[lunar sandal]

any1 heard from borealis ai?

[analog current]

bro i got mine on the 2nd but i didnt even chech my email mines due tommorow

[wheat comet]

Nice

[analog current]

nope still waiting for that as well

[lunar sandal]

damn 2 DAYS to do codesignal?

[tough knot]

I’m on the DNA team though

[lunar sandal]

thats even less than tiktok lol

[wheat comet]

Had one for winter but it was fuckin Java ONLY

😭😭

[analog current]

yea gonna do it today

[wheat comet]

Java specialized assessment

[lunar sandal]

theyre probably not expecting a high score

if its 2 days

[analog current]

i hope not

bro i cant deal with java i need python

[stable ravine]

codesignal 2 q easy af next 2 is rng 1 question is matrix

[tough knot]

^

[lunar sandal]

matrix + hashing/line sweep/intervals

although for ebay gca i got prio queue for q3 lol

[analog current]

bro do they use the same questions lmao

[lunar sandal]

no theres variations, but the topics are limited

[tough knot]

How many past internships does TikTok look for?

[lunar sandal]

i think 1

[tough knot]

okok

[analog current]

ok

[stable ravine]

ig so I got the same set for one of my oa but its random

[analog current]

bet gonna do it today

[stable ravine]

c1 and sanofi oa I had same set of questions

[lunar sandal]

yeah ive had the same q2 many times

that bus schedule one

[stable ravine]

the time?

I got that one too

[lunar sandal]

ye

first time i spent the entire gca tryna do that LMAO

[drifting shore]

0-inf

[tough knot]

🤣

so it’s rng?

[analog current]

did you guys need to turn on your cameras

[tough knot]

yes

And share screen

[stable ravine]

rbc wont expect anything more than 2 chill

[analog current]

ok ok then we good 😭 ]

[tough knot]

I didn’t get preferred team though, so prob best to score higher

[stable ravine]

💀 also market p bad so you might wana try lil harder to finish the next 2

[drifting shore]

Ye

[stable ravine]

no other technical rounds after oa? 💀

[analog current]

is this useful

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLM0LBHjz37LUE8hv0ecV_FjC0E-8Kfn7B

[lunar sandal]

yeah its oa -> bheavioral

-> offer

[tough knot]

I don’t think so, just behavioural

[lunar sandal]

ik someone doing rbc winter 24

the hard part is resume screen lol

fuck man i hope i get lucky too

[analog current]

fr idk even how i got pas the resume screen

[stable ravine]

3 yrs old

[tough knot]

What uni

[analog current]

Carleton

[tough knot]

Ottawas best

[drifting shore]

I fumbled the pure behavioral interview

[stable ravine]

what they ask?

[lunar sandal]

how

[analog current]

gg bro fumbled behavioral

[lunar sandal]

bro is gatekept by the wrong thing

[analog current]

idk did you get any siumilar questions

[tough knot]

about projects, oop concepts, and resume tech

not really

[analog current]

rbc pays decent

[tough knot]

1st coop and it’s good

[analog current]

like 25

or above

ye

[sly kindle]

borealis pays well

[analog current]

i deadass want borealis

[stable ravine]

like solid principles or abstraction, poly....

[tough knot]

4 principles

[lunar sandal]

oh god 4 pillars

[stable ravine]

😭 wer ng job

[tough knot]

pillars same thin

[drifting shore]

They asked around 5-6 bqs and I only preped a few

[azure junco]

Guys did you know that Wayfair has "people principles" and like 3 of them are verbatim the amazon principles

[drifting shore]

[lunar sandal]

?

[analog current]

no way borealis finished hiring

[lunar sandal]

borealis posted on Jan 1st bro.

[azure junco]

Isn't borealis the one that's owned by RBC

Which one is owned by RBC

[analog current]

nah it posted before jan 1st

[drifting shore]

i did so well during the wayfair interview but fumbled the bq for amazon

[lunar sandal]

but it was super close to new years

[drifting shore]

[lunar sandal]

like last few days of dec

[wheat comet]

had amplify OA and then forgot ab it

[azure junco]

Hope still persists, ik ppl who fucked up a bunch of questions on amzn and still got offer

[tough knot]

Is data eng hard to break in?

[stable ravine]

nah its just sql and etl pipeline

[analog current]

its easier

[azure junco]

I HATE WORKDAY

[azure junco]

Workday literally could not be worse

[tough knot]

Should I focus on data internships or swe? Or a mixture of both

[analog current]

do mix of both

[azure junco]

What do you want to do in future

[tough knot]

ah ok

[analog current]

keep your options wider

[tough knot]

data eng

[azure junco]

I did ml and didn't like it

[azure junco]

Oh then to for data eng or data sci positions

[tough knot]

I have a data analytics internship currently, mainly scripting, but not sure if I should do it again or do swe after this

[azure junco]

Although some companies use swe and data eng interchangeably

Like the responsibilities are the same

[analog current]

what Uni

[lunar sandal]

wtf

[tough knot]

UofT

[lunar sandal]

my rbc

[analog current]

the high schoolers did fizzbuzz as a question

[lunar sandal]

dev app isnt on my workday

[analog current]

sheesh giga brain

[tough knot]

true

[azure junco]

I would say go for swe because data analysis can have a bad connotation

[tough knot]

ill be applying for fall

[azure junco]

Because for a lot of places data analysis isn't very technical

But data eng is like building data pipelines and stuff

[tough knot]

Yeah, I’ve heard, but according to my manager I’ll be doing automation work

[analog current]

was this in the rbc oa
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192591230186569819/1192592205634871426/Screenshot_2024-01-04_at_2.15.29_PM.png?ex=65a9a30b&is=65972e0b&hm=1af6e4a2266a374e27f281314fd9a40167f32b35ce18148afc16793b91c98c85&

[azure junco]

I think they are equal depending on what you want to do , but I think both are > data analysisn

[drifting shore]

normal rbc is low 20s and i think borealis is 40+

[tough knot]

true, it was my first coop and pay was good so took it

[azure junco]

What kind of automation ? That can be anything from automating Excel sheets to like full fledged swe

Because I did """automation""" (writing spreadsheet scripts)

for a prev internship

[hallow sapphire]

I remember rbc was giving out itnernships at htn

or was that td

[tough knot]

Rbc is phasing out sas and won’t be working with excel so not completely sure lol

[analog current]

TD just came out like 2 days ago

not in canada

[azure junco]

Yes if you live in the living room

[lunar sandal]

bro its internship chill

[azure junco]

I lived on 20k all of last year

living on my own

In downtown toronto

[lapis tide]

ok mr rockefeller

[tough knot]

I think it’s more now, mid to high 20s

for first internship/coops, I’d say that’s pretty good

[lunar sandal]

yeah but have u seen the market rn

[tough knot]

^

[analog current]

fr market is ass

[lunar sandal]

if ur hard pressed for cash no one is stopping u from getting another job

[azure junco]

For my first internship I was looking for $21/h

[tough knot]

What was it

[azure junco]

Data sci but they ended up offering me $25/h

[lapis tide]

his first internship

[azure junco]

When I asked for $21

[tough knot]

Ah

[lapis tide]

shouldve insisted

[lunar sandal]

lol

[azure junco]

I know I can't believe I moved into a higher tax bracket 🙄

[lapis tide]

ok andrew carnegie

[azure junco]

Who is that

[analog current]

you think its a good idea to finish the oa and then message the recruiter saying i had a great experience and some bs about it

[azure junco]

Come meet me at Northrop Frye McDonald's and tell me about him pookie

[lunar sandal]

nah

they're looking for a min score

[lapis tide]

least funny thing ive heard from you

[lunar sandal]

do it asap

[azure junco]

For oa no unless it was a personal email

And you've talked to them before

[analog current]

ok

[azure junco]

I'm sorry I'll do better

[lunar sandal]

i cant even find the

[azure junco]

Sometimes my jokes flop

[lunar sandal]

swe 4 months on workday

[tough knot]

You not in asip anymore?

[lunar sandal]

i applied thru the rbc site

[analog current]

lemme find and ill sned link

[azure junco]

No I dropped out after one week

The program didn't align with my career goals

[tough knot]

I should’ve lol

[lapis tide]

what are your career goals

[tough knot]

^

[azure junco]

Graduate in 4 years and work at a good company

Good companies don't do PEYs

Except Intel of course

And Huawei

[lapis tide]

uber does pey

[azure junco]

Ok but I wouldn't get Uber anyway

[lunar sandal]

what year u in

[analog current]

@lunar sandal im messeging you the link

i swear uber star was supposed to come out but it didnt for Canada

[azure junco]

Didn't Uber star already open and close a few months ago ?

[analog current]

i heard its 140k new grad for data sci in the us if youre interested in that

thats very specific

Idk i saw uber start for specific Universitys in the US thats it

but some dude was complaining that his new grad offer wasnt enough

[lapis tide]

Is faang still faang tier nowadays? Idt they’re hiring

[worthy orbit]

dont wish and uber do PEY

[lunar sandal]

wish didnt post this year but uber did

uber has high bar tho lol

[tough knot]

Wish is a thing???

[analog current]

@tough knot can you choose any language in the OA

[azure junco]

Does wish even still hire

[lapis tide]

wish 🤣

[azure junco]

Temu killed wish

[worthy orbit]

they were the highest paying company for pey at uoft a couple years ago

[lapis tide]

still not tryna work there

[lunar sandal]

im tryna work ANYWHERE

0 OAs

0 pipelines

its over.

[azure junco]

Send resume

If 0 oas it sounds like resume issue

Give me money

[lunar sandal]

0 OAs because no company is hiring

[lapis tide]

categorically false

[tough knot]

Ye

[lunar sandal]

i was in process w asana, p&g, ebay

[azure junco]

A bunch of places opened on Jan 1

[lapis tide]

congrats

[lunar sandal]

where

[azure junco]

Congrats on asana

[lunar sandal]

WHERE!

[azure junco]

Wealthsimple

[worthy orbit]

i think instacarts only hiring 2023 grads

[azure junco]

TD

[lunar sandal]

got rej after round 2

oh ye i appied to those 2

[lapis tide]

what happened in round 2

[lunar sandal]

magnitude 7.5 earthquake cuz lizzo walked into the call

[analog current]

yea ik a girl who got into winter

for wealthsimple

[lunar sandal]

arent u a ng

yeah so ur well beyond a ng atp

[tough knot]

Send resume, need to some inspiration

[lunar sandal]

thats so unfair to us

how could u

[analog current]

bro is the reason i cant get a job

[tough knot]

Does graduating late look bad?

[azure junco]

Just don't put how long you studied for on your resume

Only put graduation date

[analog current]

i put expected (graduation date)

[azure junco]

Fwiw I know someone who did a business degree then went back to do a CS degree and then went to amzn as a new grad

[analog current]

crazy

[tough knot]

let me see the resume

[analog current]

fr let me see resume too

[analog current]

bro was in Uni before i was born

[lunar sandal]

back when doing a level order traversal on ur own got u thru google phone screens

[lapis tide]

what is google

[lunar sandal]

some rando startup

[tough knot]

can this get me into Jane street

[analog current]

and citadel

[lapis tide]

bronies frat

[azure junco]

It will get you into my super special club

[analog current]

This is the yolo dude

[fossil field]

Bro, why are you looking at big companies. Theres thousands of small-mid companies hiring

you guys have no clue how and where to look for jobs

its ur first job not ur dream job stop applying to top companies with top competition

[chilly steeple]

no man you need 200k base minimum to live

😔

if not google then live off ontario works

[drifting shore]

google is def <200k

[chilly steeple]

fuck

submitting application to ontario works

rnnn

might as well

they're all bad just keep applying and then decide

get some exp and $$

tnq

[fossil field]

but in ur cause, no job at all

smaller-mid are more secure

they need more devs since they have smaller teams and arent looking to fire

im really stable rn cause of it

and also more chance to grow since ur work is more impactful

so what u said is just stupid tbh

pay thing is true tho youll get less but u get ur foot in the door

[arctic token]

Anyone get the wayfair oa for new grad? If so how difficult was it

[stable ravine]

ng?

[arctic token]

Yeah I think so

[arctic token]

Did you get oa?

[thorny frost]

That’s a good salary in Canada?

[stable ravine]

Nope

[lunar sandal]

bro

😦

[analog current]

anyone know if im allowed to search in code signal oa

wish me luck boutta do RBC oa

[stable ravine]

no you can't you'll be flagged

[real island]

Intern?

[lunar sandal]

ye rbc s24

[wary tundra]

what's the title? NA Campus SWE L1 Hiring Assessment?

that's what I got, not sure if it's intern or ng

'campus' makes me think intern

[arctic token]

Yeah I got that one, I think it’s ng because I don’t remember applying for intern

[drifting shore]

intern is L0

[wary tundra]

i applied for both new grad and intern

[arctic token]

Did you do it yet

[wary tundra]

nah I'm about to

[arctic token]

Ok lmk how it goes I’m gonna do mine tmrw

It’s 50 min hacker rank right?

[wary tundra]

ya i think so

[analog current]

bruh that shit was lowkey aids

couldnt answer 2 other questions

bro and it kept unsharing my screen

[zenith eagle]

what company?

[glossy condor]

how did you guys find the wayfair positions? they're not on linkedin AFAIK

[stable ravine]

it was up almost a month ago

[glossy condor]

oh lol

the only company that has sent me a rejection email at this point is rockstar. started applying three weeks ago

[real island]

Damn lmao

[drifting shore]

was up 3 months ago

[analog current]

Rbc

[real island]

Rbc is GCA

[zenith eagle]

wait

did rbc open up ng apps?

[lunar sandal]

intern

[real island]

lmao

[kind hazel]

any1 got cisco interview?

[broken whale]

Ft?

[gilded charm]

I had got an email then replied back with availability nothing so far

[broken whale]

Ft?

[real island]

Ft?

[analog current]

Ft?

[lapis carbon]

How then? Need job bad pls

[analog current]

Ok I hope there arent any educated people who are literally in a cs server falling for a crypto scam 💀

Marky mark

[real island]

HOW

[lapis tide]

how can i massage you mark

[analog current]

(HOW) let get started

[gilded charm]

Yeah new grad?

[stable ravine]

I got rejected but it said your resume is forwarded internally

[mint gorge]

congrats on mark

[fallen mason]

yo is DRW auto oa?

and do they care about grades

[analog current]

he is now banned 💔

[quartz ridge]

is DRW auto oa?

just got the oa lol

[fallen mason]

guess so lol i just got it too

[quartz ridge]

damn lol

i was happy for a sec

wait did anyone else get it tho

can i dm u

[fallen mason]

sure

[drifting panther]

i just got it too, guess its auto

[lucid loom]

is that for intern or FT?

[dark wren]

intern

[quartz ridge]

its intern

seems like everyone got it..?

[gilded charm]

i got that email after getting called for interview 😐

[smoky flare]

no they dont, yes oa is auto

[naive shell]

drw oa very difficult
if you get it, dont do it

just give up

🙏

[neon imp]

What is DRW?

[smoky flare]

prop trading firm

[neon imp]

Oh, thanks!

[reef niche]

anyone tried DRW OA?

[drifting shore]

wasnt too bad, a lot of implementation

[wide prairie]

during amazon interviews, should I explicitely mention leaderships principles like: thats how I show "Hire and Develop the Best", or like should i just say thats how i show teamwork

[storm stream]

Be a bit more subtle but yeah it's good to mention them

They love that shit

You shouldn't be talking about "hire and develop the best" tho

You're not a manager

For intern/ng the top priorities are

• bias for action
• customer obsession
• deliver results

Prepare answers for these questions and you'll be good to go: https://www.levels.fyi/blog/amazon-leadership-principles.html

lmk if you have more questions

[quartz ridge]

is there a point in applying to jobs that need 2+ years of experience as a new grad?

[vivid fiber]

Do you have a job? If no, then yes you should apply.

[wide prairie]

ty!!

[vernal sigil]

Anyone did lyft laptop challenge interview?

[real island]

Yeah I lifted my laptop 200 times in 1 hour

[vernal sigil]

Is there minimum weight requirement

[quartz ridge]

Yes I have job but does internships usually count toward YOE for postings?

[real island]

4lb laptop min weight

[real island]

Nah

[vernal sigil]

Fk I need to download more files then

[night snow]

It should be enough after downloading some calculus textbooks

[zenith eagle]

for ng?

[fossil field]

Target smaller companies. Go on google and search for tech companies in the gta and go to career page to apply. As well ur #1 best way to get a job is to get connections and network. Everywhere you go talk to people, see what they do and ask if they have or know anyone that can get you a position.

connections >>> cold apply

in fact i think 80% of people finding jobs rn is because of connections

[storm stream]

if connections include RO then yeah

[vivid fiber]

Naw

Apply anyway

[real island]

Nah

Intern

[storm stream]

Check the link that's more than enough to prep for behavioural

For technical do leetcode tagged

[cinder kraken]

any 2024 grads find good jobs yet?

[storm stream]

No clue about DE interview tbh

[zenith eagle]

unemployemnt

[real island]

What’s DE?

[storm stream]

Data eng I think

[gilded charm]

How to phrase it when companies don’t have any open roles or aeast it looks unlikely they will expand

De is swe but concerned with data movement

I see th en there is data developer

Man so many new options or streams crazy

[fossil field]

just keep looking, its still a bad time. But 90% of your time and effort should be on connections and networking.

[fossil field]

nope, just in general people getting jobs are cause they know someone working somewhere

[vernal sigil]

intern

[umbral tangle]

any tips on how to network?

[stable ravine]

10% dooming?

[kind hazel]

I think they are cutting, got an interview b4 the job posting is open and the manager was confident that its gonna be open. Fast-forward they told me that they (1 specific team in Cisco) not taking intern this year 😭

[storm stream]

Stop capping bro just because that's how you found your job doesn't mean it's true for the general public

[lucid loom]

Become CEO of google

It’s a pretty good position to network in

[fossil field]

Most people ik in software dev got jobs through connections. Here in canada especially. There have been people who have been looking for jobs longer than me here cause they are cold applying and not networking. I wouldve been in the same boat if i didnt focus on networking. This is real advice. You think we should tell people to do what every else is doing and cold apply for months on end with no hope? This is literally the best way to find a job and you cant tell me its not

[fossil field]

yea so go out every chance you get and talk to people. The more people you meet the more chance they will be in dev and you can connect and literally straight up ask if they can get you a position or know of someone

you basically want to keep branching

you have to work on your confidence

you can also go to dev meetups on meetup.com and meet people there

a friend of mine got a job like that networking there

They shoudlve taught us this in school like they do business students but they dont which sucks

Only saying this cause i love yall and want u all to get jobs. Once this realization hit me i realized it was the only way to get a job in this market. We not in 2021 no more

[fickle juniper]

80%?

[fossil field]

even more than that

[lucid loom]

This sounds like politician math ngl

[azure junco]

Everyone I know who has gotten an internship this year cold applied lol

It's probably closer to 20%

[fickle juniper]

If it is 80%, I would think that would be quite apparent

But hey maybe guy's onto something

[azure junco]

The overall message is good , take any chance you can get

Just the numbers are over inflated

[real island]

😂😂😂😂

[hallow sapphire]

all my intern apps were cold apply

this time around

[stable ravine]

I wanna say something but I'm jobless

I'm one among the 20%

[gilded charm]

ngl it was in ottawa lost all interest i hope they dont reach out anymore lol

[kind hazel]

thats fair, its not even close to downtown ottawa lmao

I consider it cause its a compiler internship, which as a field it has really high barrier of entry

[gilded charm]

cisco on resume would be heavy for sure

so what happened to the role ? i had applied for ng

[analog current]

i think that is why some smaller companies might hand out inflated titles

[fossil field]

Im talking about full time not internship, doesnt apply too much for internship but it does apply to it still ( i got my internship through connection and my ft job through another as well)

[fossil field]

Boss ive been in this sub with you for a while. Ive been telling you to go for connections rather than focus on cold apply. Please listen now i want u to get a job

[gilded charm]

are you in Canada?

[fossil field]

yea

[barren sinew]

No way it's 80% at the junior level. Referrals at the junior level barely mean anything in any large company. I think none of my friends got a ng job through their network

[real island]

Yeah it’s def not 80% lmao

[vivid fiber]

At large companies sure, but for medium to large companies it can mean a ton

The one Canadian offer I got as a new grad was through meeting a recruiter at a hackathon

The job I'm currently at was through a connection I made

https://www.nicksingh.com/posts/cold-email-tips-to-land-your-dream-job-with-examples
https://www.cscareers.dev/blog/landing-software-engineer-interviews-through-cold-emailing

^ These r great resources on how to cold email

[barren sinew]

I'm not discounting networking at all. I skipped the OA at my current job through cold messaging a director on LinkedIn. But 80% is so high it comes off as doomerism where the only people getting jobs are those that are connected

[fossil field]

Theres more smaller companies than bigger companies. Thats why im saying people should shoot for small-mid tier companies since they will have a better chance to get a job there + networking. People here are thinking theyll get their dream job in fanng as a new grad, reality is ur probably not. Get your foot in the door and after u get some experience apply for bigger companies.

[rain mantle]

I've never understood the timing of cold emailing. Am I meant to do it right after the company has posted the position or whenever in the year? Or is there another time of the year I should follow?

[fickle juniper]

That’s different from saying 80% of people are finding jobs thru networking

Also, yes there are more smaller companies. But there are fewer jr positions at these smaller companies typically

Like how many smaller companies do you need to match the 10k interns Zon hired in 2022

[vivid fiber]

Either

[barren sinew]

I agree with this but most people who are joining small companies are also cold applying at the junior level

[barren sinew]

I've found some success in reaching out to hiring managers since they might know of a team that is hiring or will hire soon. Also following recruiters and hiring managers so you can keep an eye on any openings

[lost lark]

Why are ppl saying this isnt true lol

[zenith eagle]

gm frens

[fossil field]

this is true as well

[fossil field]

because they want to beleive false reality where you only have to cold apply online cause its easy to do. So they trick themselves into thinking cold applying is the best way and only way

[fossil field]

Do you know these people? How many people do you know or are u just guessing. I work with them and most people go their jobs by connections

[barren sinew]

I'm basing this off all the people I know in my graduating class

[fossil field]

how many people tho? is it like 5-10?

[mint gorge]

Aren't smaller-mid tier companies less secure? I'd assume smaller companies have harder times with finances

[lost lark]

The only way id have a job rn is thru connections but unfortunately theyre just really really mid opportunities

[fossil field]

nah not at all, depends tho smaller yea but for mid they are more secure than bigger. Big companies want insane growth and spread themselves thin and have massive loans so when interest rates hit the fan they fire fire fire

dont go for companies that are publicly traded

[fossil field]

Are you new grad? when did u graduate. You gotta take anything just to get ur foot in the door

[lost lark]

In america businesses with less than 500 employees employ 60% of the population

[fossil field]

take it work for 6moths to a year there and then switch up

[lost lark]

Yea im employed rn just at a small spot

[fossil field]

dev tho?

[lost lark]

But the opportunities im getting for larger places are all a huge downgrade and even the recruiters know that

Yes dev

[fossil field]

i had to do that too, i work 5 days a week in the office for shit pay

but im doing pretty well here and got promoted to ai engineer in a month and a half so lets see how that goes

[lost lark]

👀

Ngl some of the stuff ive heard from hiring managers is borderline ridiculous

[fossil field]

man i had my interview with the cto

i was scared shitless

ive been connecting at raves and got a job lined up after 6 months here with substantial pay increase lol like 250k+

[lost lark]

“Hey the job market is really tough right now, Id take this Analyst job if I were you. The interest rate is really bad and it doesn’t look like people are going to be hiring anytime soon and its tough to get experience” and he was telling me this as a waterloo grad with coops already like 😭😭😭😭😭😭 its brutal

[lost lark]

Getting connections at raves is hilarious lmaoooo

But ive met people in weirder places tbf

One guy was spotting me at the gym and he gave me his linkedin like 😂😂😂

[fossil field]

SEE u get it

u can connect anywhere

but yea i mostly connect with peeps at raves and parties lol a lot of tech peeps go there and ive met this ceo who sold his company for 100 mil the other week at a rave lol he might hire me for his next company for lead ai engineer

who knows

[lost lark]

In general tech students arent social compared to business / other majors so thats why that kinda advice falls on deaf ears here

[fossil field]

but this other guy is in tech sales who has major connections with cfo, coo an ceo at top companies and hes serbian too so he said he gonna get me a job there

[lost lark]

Like tech meetups?

Ive been thinking about going to those

[fossil field]

no no, like parties lol

[lost lark]

Havent ever been tho

Oh

😂😂😂

[fossil field]

hahah yea i never had to do tech meetups but i wouldve if i didnt get a job

but yea raving helped me tremendisly and i built so many friendships and connections

and i know most people are not social and spend all day in their rooms gaming or jerking off

and i want peeps to build confidence cause thats how you get the best jobs and meet people who can make a difference in their lives

[reef niche]

do you guys think there will be influx of jobs in the coming 2024 as BOC prepares to cut interest rates?

[halcyon arrow]

Not for juniors

[halcyon arrow]

Make a youtube video video about it

"Why attending raves is better than LinkedIn for finding a software job"

"Why I stopped Leetcoding and started partying more"

[stone osprey]

Anyone attending CUSEC in Montreal upcoming week?

[barren sinew]

I'd be a bit wary of a company hiring a bachelor's new grad as a the lead AI engineer

[stable ravine]

source*?

[reef niche]

just google "2024 boc cut interest rate"

[stone osprey]

Yea BOC is planning on cutting interest rate but it doesn’t directly translate to tech jobs

[stable ravine]

iirc isn't it like at the last q of 2024?

[stone osprey]

It means there will be less layoffs hopefully

[stone osprey]

Hopefully it will in the first quarter depending on how the economy performs

[stable ravine]

It'll end up at 3%

[stable ravine]

💀

[fossil field]

lol buddy it would be a startup with this guy whose really really rich

and i know my shit in ai been working on it for years now

[fossil field]

yes i was targeting u

[barren sinew]

No company has ever failed even when rich guys threw bags of cash at it

[fossil field]

man idk about u but to me its moving up

getting connections with people with influence

can only push me up not down lol

i take every opportunity i can take

but nah thats not the next job im taking, i got a connection with a higher up in tech sales whose gonna get me a job at big finance firm probably quant/ai

[kind hazel]

idrk the manager came back saying that their team not taking internship this year due to "unforeseen circumstances"

kinda a shame cause I like the manager too

[stable ravine]

bro thinks everyone is the same

[gilded charm]

Mine was ng

[analog current]

man all the title inflation and startup fails 💀 i hear of stories of people after these situations go and test for something else less inflated at strong companies atleast

[real island]

💀

[storm stream]

Shit reads like satire fr

[barren sinew]

There's a reason FAANGs down level a lot of people joining

[real island]

He has to be a troll 😭

[analog current]

idk what’s going on I just saw something about startups 😭😭😭

He doin a lil trollin

[fossil field]

literally telling the truth....

edm connects people trust me

and some really cool people there

[fickle juniper]

Guys he's right, 80% of ppl at raves are in tech

Source: trust me bro

[fossil field]

nah not 80% but a lot of them are and a lot are actually in tech not always development

Real

[fossil field]

idk why ur hating, im just telling you my experience and the experience of others who found jobs like this

its way easier and interview process way easier

[fickle juniper]

Well imo ur inflating the viability of getting a job via networking for internships/entry level positions

Not saying it doesn't work at all, its just not as effective as ur making it out to be

Just cuz it worked for u for ur one offer, doesn't mean it is the best strategy

[fossil field]

whats the most effective strategy then?

you tell me? cause i see everyone whos jobless and complaining/dooming only trying cold applying

[fickle juniper]

Apply early, parseable resume, try to understand the interview process for the company/role ur interviewing for so that u know what u should focus on for prep

And remember u can only work one job anyway

[fossil field]

most people arent even getting interviews tho

[fickle juniper]

So u just gotta get that one offer, don't need to feel so bad about getting rejected

[fossil field]

thats the most generic advice

people are sending out 2000 applications with 0 replies lol

im just saying i was in that boat too and i started networking

[fickle juniper]

Generic advice thats true is better than clever advice thats not true and cites madeup numbers

[fossil field]

and that got me my job way faster than cold apply would

[fickle juniper]

Yes but for every person that did this, I can name like 10 that didnt

[fossil field]

i was cold applying for 2.5 months, Said fuck this shit not getting anywhere and started networking. 2 weeks later i got a job

[fickle juniper]

No offense but ur anecdotal example doesn't really mean much to me

Again not saying ur wrong

[fossil field]

right now, everyone is getting jobs through connections. Its a terrible market and companies would rather hire from someone they know they can trust than randos online especially new grad

[fickle juniper]

Or that it wouldn't work

[fossil field]

do u have a job?

[fickle juniper]

Woah i just had deja vu

[fossil field]

yea i think i asked you that before

i forgur

[fickle juniper]

U asked me this a month ago m8

[fossil field]

anyways my point is not only for new grads but for mid and senior level they arent getting jobs through cold applying its a really shit market for all

[fickle juniper]

Oh yeah u did

[fossil field]

well do u

[fickle juniper]

I actually do agree with u networking is much more important for mid/senior level

[fossil field]

brotha theres no new grad jobs and companies would rather have instant throughput than a new grad they need to train and doesnt know shit

its different if we were in 2020-2021

[fickle juniper]

If there are no new grad jobs

[fossil field]

interest rates are high so companies cant borrow like crazy like they did before

[fickle juniper]

How does networking help

[fossil field]

new grad job listings. If you know people they can add you to the team

literally what happened with me, they werent looking to hire but since i got that connection i got the job

[fickle juniper]

Thats extremely rare

[fossil field]

not at all lol

[fickle juniper]

???

[fossil field]

many many people i know this is their situation

[analog current]

someone here at uw told me that they’re just “relying on nepotism” for job applications 😭😭😭😭

[fossil field]

okay brotha really u dont know shit im sorry, connections is the #1 best way to get a job in this market

end of story cant keep explaining to you

[fickle juniper]

Alright

Agree to disagree for most entry level positions, but I could definitely be wrong

[analog current]

I’m talking like BIGGER nepotism

applying to amazon because your dad works there

he makes 1M I think

idek what he does

this person is cool but it’s like they’ve grown in a tech bubble

like they don’t see it from the bottom

it won’t work i think

what 😭😭😭

interesting

ive seen a weird amount of wealth divide here ngl

I think it’s just me coming from being broke asf

This girl telling me about how much her family’s profited off the communist regime and the people here just casually dropping 500k for condos 💀

This is current

I did not come from money

My family is not funding a dollar of my education

[drifting shore]

That’s well deserved

[analog current]

Even if they did, I don’t think they would need to anymore since I have big scholarships

[fickle juniper]

Damn if only my dad was a surgeon and could save Sam Altmans life

[storm stream]

He is sorely missed

[fickle juniper]

Fwiw as a counterpoint for the networking approach, I referred 25 ppl to my company for internships and entry level pos and exactly one got interview

So yes u could network, but it relies on a lot of luck or alr established connections and so imo is more a long term approach

[lapis tide]

I think everyone should stop applying to anything

Except me i am allowed to apply

[fossil field]

yea referrals dont work i wasnt referring to that when i said network and connections. If thats what u were referring to then i 100% agree

guys

think about this

we are a bunch of new grads and no one will take a chance on us and we have to take bottom line offers. Lets make our own company

grind, and then all have a percentage

those companies will be coming to us for us to hire them!

[gilded charm]

Guys let’s take a break from applying

For about a month or two

It will rebalance everything

[real island]

wait fr?

damn lmao

[lucid loom]

Feel this would work but there’s no way everyone would stop

[sly kindle]

I've stopped

Haven't applied in 2 months

No jop either

[azure junco]

it's an extra push that keeps you motivated for finding good jobs

atp i can't wait to graduate and start earning an income