canada

[sleek echo]

well if it is as horrible as it is here in the us then i feel like we are doomed

[shy scaffold]

canadian domestic market == us international market

as a canadian probably around 80% of my job apps i can find are positions in the US, and somewhere around 75% of callbacks are also from US positions

[zinc knot]

US is better bruh

[strange jay]

ye

are u from us?

think most international students/immigrants in canada are studying here for TN to work in us

guess its easier than direct opt -> h1b

[storm stream]

There are no jobs in Canada my friend

we all trying to get out 😭

[strange jay]

lol wasnt 2015's canadian tech salary like 80% of us

[storm stream]

CAD was strong as heck

[strange jay]

i miss it

[dark wren]

are u asking abt internship or full-time?

[drifting shore]

they reject everyone(joke

[strange jay]

iirc not for internship

dk abt ft

[dark wren]

i’m international and interviewed for 2 US internship positions and 4 Canadian internship positions, so ig it also depends on ur prev exp

^ 3 for summer and 3 for winter

[quartz ridge]

I got rejected due to j1 visa like so many times lol

[strange jay]

idk

[quartz ridge]

So many companies just don’t sponsor it’s kinda sad

[strange jay]

is loo j1 visa easier or smt

saw many uwo/ivey j1 rejects

[quartz ridge]

Like I just got rejected from a company that pays 100/hour due to sponsorship

[weak gazelle]

internationals students in canada?

[quartz ridge]

For intern^

[dark wren]

yea same, but there are companies that sponsor some internationals for US

[quartz ridge]

Yeah it’s weird some people get sponsored for F1 and stuff and they can’t sponsor J1?

[hushed shard]

Anyone here who interviewed with willowtree hear back yet?

[quartz ridge]

Like I will pay out of pocket to get sponsored it’s pretty wild

[strange jay]

isnt it the matter of official budget

[quartz ridge]

I will tank my whole salary to get sponsored 😂

[strange jay]

lol same

[weak gazelle]

wdym

[hot rapids]

I feel studying in canada and interning in US is much harder than studying in US and working in US

[weak gazelle]

don't internationals in the US still need J1

[storm stream]

J1 is easier than TN tbh

[quartz ridge]

no there's someone who got sponsored for an F1

but they didn't sponsor my J1

[weak gazelle]

yea of course lol

[quartz ridge]

it's just wierd

[weak gazelle]

most US companies rn aren't considering applicants from canada

[quartz ridge]

it's usually startups though

[hot rapids]

I thought F-1 was for ppl studying in US school?

[quartz ridge]

that don't sponsor

there def are big companies that don't sponsor at all

e.g. cisco meraki

or like SpaceX but that

more due to regulatory stuff

[hot rapids]

maybe its better to be an international student in the US and get the f-1

more jobs in US

[strange jay]

but TN is still fine right?

[hot rapids]

TN is only for canadians

[strange jay]

ye

[quartz ridge]

yeah it's like easier to be an international, get F1 by studying then apply from there

it's like once u study in the US, that gives you some kinda leverage

TN works but it's usually for FT

J1 is for like exchange programs or internships

[weak gazelle]

do many canadians even go to study in the US

[strange jay]

some do

[weak gazelle]

i think there's more americans who come to study in canada lol

[strange jay]

100k cad/yr is crazy

[weak gazelle]

i know a bunch of internations at UofT who're americans

which i don't get

they can literally go to an in-state school

and have 10x better job opps

• cheaper

[hot rapids]

I think stateschool might only be better in HCOL areas

[weak gazelle]

i mean it's quite clear that the school you go to doesn't matter at all

[hot rapids]

rather go to uoft than low rank state school in LCOL

[weak gazelle]

in the US especially

unless it's the elite schools

[hot rapids]

I don't think school matters, but locations do

[weak gazelle]

yea that's true

[sleek echo]

i'm asking for both actually.

[weak gazelle]

definitely uoft over low rank state school

they can return back to America anyways

[hot rapids]

the worst state school in california probs better than most canadian schools for cali recruiting

but I wouldn't say the same for a random state

[weak gazelle]

then they could literally go to an out-of-state US school

pay the same as international in Canada

they have like 500 uni options lol

[weak gazelle]

internationals in canada with co-op work permits/open work permits aren't treated any differently than citizens/PRs

for both internships and full time roles

the only exceptions to this are certain government roles

which are a very small fraction

[strange jay]

yup thats true

[sleek echo]

that's what i'm talking about. i am talking about intenrational students in canada applying for jobs in canada. not j1 stuff or whatever

[weak gazelle]

yea it's a LOT better than international students in the US

[strange jay]

u get pgwp after graduating school in canada for FT

[weak gazelle]

but ofc the disadvantage is the number of job openings

are also a lot fewer

[strange jay]

then apply for pr with 1yr work exp

[sleek echo]

I see.

[sleek echo]

i see

thank you for your responses. cause the conversation above talking about j1 stuff was really confusing me lol

[weak gazelle]

are you an american citizen?

[broken whale]

NK citizen

[weak gazelle]

best citizenship

[quartz ridge]

tbh if i was a US citizen

i would be quite op.

if i could rewind the clock

i would def be a US citizen out the womb

[sleek echo]

no i am an internation students in the US (F1)

[lapis tide]

Why bro in #canada

[sleek echo]

cause i want to get some info

[weak gazelle]

makes sense

US is cringe for internationals

[sleek echo]

I am definitely considering moving to canada.

[weak gazelle]

but you'd still get STEM OPT after grad right?

[sleek echo]

will do my master there

[sleek echo]

yeah i am actually applyign for the extension now.

[hot rapids]

I guess if you wanna do research its fair, but all the canadians wanna get outta canada loool

[sleek echo]

but still no full time role at sight

[weak gazelle]

yea probably research is the move lol

[sleek echo]

i just want to be safe somewhere bro. i'm about to get kicked out from here if i don't find a job + "we don't sponsor" + can't work outside your field of study + worst job market in history + you name it

[hot rapids]

yeah that's true, those are more important concerns than salary

[pliant haven]

IBM NG job closed emails just dropped!

[fickle lotus]

Wake up babe, IBM rejections just dropped

[hot spruce]

how did u find out

[spring meteor]

Anyone know anything about echo perficient solutions?

[stable ravine]

I saw this coming mfs posted intern conversion postings for the same roles 3 days after these posts went live

[shy scaffold]

took ibm backend oa and these mfs kept spamming me about how i didnt finish it

only to be hit with the "position filled we made u take auto oa for no reason lol" reject

[analog current]

i did the oa for summer developer intern. havnt gotten any responses yet

[candid oxide]

yield protect

[analog current]

lmao i still havnt gotten anything from the machine learning intern

and thats what i want

just wait for dec-jan thats peak for canada interns

[stable ravine]

bro's typing to give referral tips

[fossil field]

tbh u guys should be grinding studying rn especially in person/talking to intervewer skills. Not just oa and leetcode. Cause now u wont find any job at all but in janurary budgets reseting and postings gonna go back up

knowing leetcode is only half the battle for a job

[fossil field]

hahaha

u crack me up

but not this time, you should be doing that anyways.

[stable ravine]

https://www.americanbanker.com/news/why-td-bank-is-laying-off-3-of-its-employees

[drifting shore]

same

[lapis tide]

congrats on job

[analog current]

dude

i had a job interview for nofrills

and the interviewer deadass mogged me 💀

[tight gale]

nofrills has dev roles?

[hot spruce]

in ur case was it even half? Wasn't it like, none of the battle

[fossil field]

exactly, but i also did leetcode/take homes for other interviews i had

[analog current]

its over

[analog current]

no as the produce guy

like i stock the shelves

[quartz ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/porg-star-wars-the-last-jedi-gif-16074596

[craggy lark]

any of y'all mind if I DM you for resume feedback?

[stable ravine]

post on #1019675142248468601

[azure junco]

No frills genuinely ghosted me when I applied to be a cashier a few years ago

Not even an interview 😢

[thorny frost]

I failed a McDonald's interview if it makes you feel better

I don't even know how

[analog current]

whats going on bruh

[thorny frost]

I was socially inept

I guess

[wheat comet]

getting a job at mcdonalds is not easy

[stable ravine]

as hard as getting into FAANG

[wheat comet]

harder

[stable ravine]

hmm

skill issues

gotta be good at flippin burgirs and mopping floors

• pos

[swift kernel]

deadass, easier to get an interview at a bank than at mcdicks

shit is prestigious

[azure junco]

In high school i got an interview at a jewelry store and didn't get one at McDonald's or Walmart

Actually crazy

[fiery prism]

too many ppl apply for mcdonalds, that's why

[timid tartan]

Nah banks are hard lol I didn’t even pass BMO’s resume screen

Idt there’s anything easy this year honestly

[lapis tide]

Bmo is the stripe of Montreal

[stable ravine]

so much for dead ass old tech

[fickle lotus]

Kelowna is the silicon valley of canada

[lapis tide]

Kelowna is the barrie of okanagan

[timid tartan]

Jobs pls

[urban ore]

Canada

[fiery prism]

Hi, can u guys review my resume:) TYYYYYY
https://discord.com/channels/698366411864670250/1176288489663377498

I need a job.....

[timid tartan]

Wait you're looking for an internship right?

[fiery prism]

yeah

summer 2024

ty

[timid tartan]

I've just put a comment

Yea that's fine, but keep it as a one liner

[eager haven]

hey, do you know if there’s any way they’ll let you work remotely (from toronto)?

i’m fine with 8 months but don’t really wanna move to vancouver

[analog current]

sigma code #1 If she gives you her social insurance number, read it back to her with one wrong number, if she corrects you that means shes interested 💯

[worldly ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/brad-pitt-gif-24442869

[worldly ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/handsome-actor-celebrity-cute-stare-gif-16903579

[analog current]

chico mogs timmothy

[worldly ridge]

timonthy mews more lah lah lah

[analog current]

timmothy is a bitch

chico > jordan > timmothy

[worldly ridge]

whose jordan

[analog current]

bruh

[worldly ridge]

you will never have a gf

[analog current]

u dont have the mentality to last in FNCS

[worldly ridge]

i dont care im attractive

[analog current]

u dont mew

u dont chew

u dont thumb pull

so how attractive can you really be?

[worldly ridge]

ask ur mom last night kid

nya eh

https://tenor.com/view/koneko-toujou-koneko-tojo-high-school-dxd-anime-cute-gif-17643300

[fossil field]

block this guy hes banned

hacked*

its a scam please dont click peeps

[analog current]

Extremely common ronaldo W

[storm stream]

ronaldo w?

[analog current]

very based opinion

[storm stream]

Hello Canadians

Immigration 📈
Housing prices 📈
Jobs 📉
GDP 📉

What gives?

[analog current]

heres my thoughts on the current situation:

[lilac fable]

does anyone know about gaotek's web dev internship

[analog current]

just bought a udemy course

[vivid fiber]

It's a scam

[frozen brook]

its a non-paid

[lilac fable]

Nah I know it’s unpaid but is it worth it if I need experience

I’m first year no experience

[quartz ridge]

Don’t do it

Just create a project and say you were a full stack dev and put it under experience

[fallen mason]

and what happens when they ask for a background check

[weak gazelle]

hello Canadians

[quartz ridge]

Background check for a company u own?

Lmao

[stable ravine]

damn

offer letter at last

[lapis tide]

Dox

[weak gazelle]

Dox

[worldly ridge]

Hello kazakstan

[wheat comet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ANM8rwE2yI

[worldly ridge]

see u in the gym and linkedin bro

[wheat comet]

howd it go from, minecraft house > toronto house

to

see u in the gym and linkedin

u see me at the gym !? :O

[worldly ridge]

stop living in the past

time to move on

ur childhood friends aint playing minecraft with u anymore

ur not in elemantry anymore

see u in the gym

[wheat comet]

😔

my childhood friends all in vc muted

playing without me

[worldly ridge]

😦

yoo when gta 6 ik yall reconect

[wheat comet]

need a gym friend that i see sometimes, but dont actually work out with

gta 6 is a myth

[worldly ridge]

gaming friends > gym friends

[wheat comet]

rarely find games fun anymore 😔

[placid dawn]

adulthood is sad

[storm stream]

play valo with me

once I have enought money for a new pc 😈

[worldly ridge]

u aint playing the right games bro

[wheat comet]

val is so dead

[fossil field]

roblox pet simulator 99 just dropped

[wheat comet]

tell me what to play then

[worldly ridge]

lethal clmpany

lethal company

[fossil field]

roblox

[wheat comet]

my friends playing that rn

[worldly ridge]

its soo good

u shud play it

with em

[fossil field]

those are lame games

[worldly ridge]

....

teraria

valheim

gta 6

[wheat comet]

i like terraria valheim

but

friends wont play that

[worldly ridge]

.....

[wheat comet]

i dont even care what game it is

i just wanna play with friends

[worldly ridge]

those games r only good with friends

esp lethal company

[wheat comet]

yeaa lethal company seems fun

[worldly ridge]

the reality is

its not games that are fun

its our desire to feel connected and loved by another person

thats why these games are fun

[storm stream]

why bro 😭

[analog current]

in my restless dreams

i see that town

silent hill

you promised youd take me there

alarm goes off

well

im alone there now

in our special place

[vivid fiber]

This isn't a town in Canada

[wheat comet]

idek it just feels super boring

[analog current]

mods ban this mf

[night snow]

Their intern role asks for current phds
Crazy

[vivid fiber]

you swore at them first though

[analog current]

ur not here to tell the truth, ur here to support me 100%

[vivid fiber]

idk who u r

y woud i suppor u

[open relic]

has anyone interviewed with mark43?

[timid tartan]

Damn this is surprisingly quite relaxing

[quartz ridge]

What’s the best New Grad start date?

Would you guys delay new grad start date to do some travelling etc?

[lucid berry]

I would

[candid oxide]

ye im doing like late september

got over 300k aeroplan points to burn in summer

[lapis tide]

Rich

[storm stream]

bad, escape canada

[storm stream]

I'm a citizen

both

[timid tartan]

How do you even afford that

Bad idea lool nobody is hiring new grads here

[stable ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

H1b rng > getting a job in Canada

[lapis tide]

[timid tartan]

[fiery prism]

Good morning canada

[teal remnant]

Good afternoon sir

Any new jobs

[analog jasper]

good afternoon

[quartz ridge]

Do you guys prefer in office

Remote or hybrid?

[fallen mason]

hybrid

I like to choose where I wanna work from

remote feels like a fake internship lol

yeah but u choose to go into the office on those days

feels good to get out of the house every couple of days and go into the office

lmaoo true

yeah

technically u could just do a full remote internship with a hybrid model tho

oh yeah that’s kinda trash

[timid tartan]

Precisely why I do my work during that time as well lmao

[worldly ridge]

not worht the risk in this market

definity do it if you go to a recesion proof career like a nurse or a cop though

[quartz ridge]

Do you guys actually work full 8 hours days?

I’m doing like 2 hours of work a day max

[worldly ridge]

I average 4

[quartz ridge]

I def don’t come close to 8

[fiery prism]

I average 1, 2 is optional

[lost lark]

How we feeling for january

[soft hamlet]

soon ™️

Can someone look at my resume pls https://discord.com/channels/698366411864670250/1180944495383162971

[wheat comet]

I heard some places do like an optional remote where days in office are not mandatory and u can just choose to come in if u want

[lost lark]

Its team dependent

[timid tartan]

Yeah, but this is something that still perplexes me lmao

It seems like in North America it's normal (or, rather, acceptable) to work less than 8 hrs / day although the offer letter that you've signed clearly says so

[lapis tide]

Speak for yourself

My offer letter says i must not do that

[timid tartan]

[thorny frost]

I was only productive for 2 hours when I worked in the government

I basically learned nothing there lol

[quartz ridge]

Yeah so I find it rare for intern work to take more than say 1/2 hours max

May be different for new grads but interns tend to only require that amount of time investment

[fickle juniper]

Remote no question

But Idt I would pick the remote option if the company is not remote-first alr

(at least early career)

[storm stream]

What offer letter? I don't have one of those

[storm stream]

Remote all day

[timid tartan]

Mf you're the one printing offer letters

[storm stream]

[quartz ridge]

Would u guys do remote if office serves 3 meals a day?

Eg Google Facebook

[storm stream]

Depends how bad the commute is

[quartz ridge]

Some people avoid in office because of social anxiety, not just the commute

[storm stream]

The meals are just there to keep you in the office as long as possible anyway

[quartz ridge]

Also some people use remote to coast

[storm stream]

But you know what actually? If my team/mentor/seniors are in the office I would do in person

Much better for learning

But they never come in, so there's no point

[quartz ridge]

I think early stage in careers it’s best to do in office and it’s ok to have a bit of high stress/toxic environment to learn more

[storm stream]

Agreed

[quartz ridge]

I think people can take a mental beating before like age 28

After it may be better to go to a good WLB company

[storm stream]

Long commute is brutal

I'd take office stress over wasting my life on a train

[placid dawn]

i like remote

i can do other things at home... i dont have to pretend like im working 8 hrs at the office

depends of where tho. google - in office no brainer

some old boring ass firm or boomer company - remote

[quartz ridge]

Do you know if Google covers Ubers for its employees

[storm stream]

No clue

I would be shocked if they did

That's so expensive

[teal remnant]

Are mark43 interviews out for intern ?

[timid tartan]

You literally work at Google

You should know

Smh

[storm stream]

[fossil field]

me rn but i have to be in office 5 days a week...

[fossil field]

had major depression cause i couldnt do this no more

but nights are fun now and i chill now

will be looking for remote jobs soon tho when budgets reset and theres a little bit more jobs

[azure junco]

my second internship said "no more than x hours per week", the one i just signed says "at least 40 hours a week" 💀

[azure junco]

if they pay for dinner too you best believe i'm gonna be working 12 hours a day

[vivid fiber]

I just moved

Close to office

[azure junco]

i know people who got mark43 interviews

for internship

[quartz ridge]

yeah i think reducing commute time is always worth it, even if rent is more pricy

like always

esp during winter

i would pay like 1 k more to commute 5 mins a day vs 15

it adds up a lot over time lol

[fickle juniper]

What if I told u u could learn just as much if not more without being in a high stress/toxic environment

[stable ravine]

bro is not in canada

[storm stream]

what's your commute before/after your move

[vivid fiber]

Before it was a 40 day walk
Now it's a 5min walk

[storm stream]

what's the delta in rent

[vivid fiber]

Before lived with parents
Now 2k USD a month

[storm stream]

worth

[storm stream]

are you full RTO soulks?

[vivid fiber]

Yes

[fossil field]

bro u gotta get a roomate, not worth spending that much

[vivid fiber]

That's with a roomate

[fossil field]

damn.. san fran?

also lower ur standards

im in a 600 sqft condo

1200$ in toronto

[worldly ridge]

TC max and be like this guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4i1FpcGzvU

He has a job, but he lives in a car to save money. Set your address to nearest PO box so employers dont think your homeless

[hot rapids]

Worth it if you make that kinda salary 🥲

[fickle juniper]

rent in Toronto doesn’t really compare to rent in SF, esp if u are looking something specific like being near the office

[quartz ridge]

Freedom is worth it

[azure junco]

good luck finding a 1br or studio for under $2500/month near uoft

[quartz ridge]

Ngl some people REALLY value their own space and freedom

And will fork out like 1.5k extra a month for a studio

Really depends

Some people hate having roomies haha

[fossil field]

rent for 1 bedroom average in toronto is like 2600$...

[fickle juniper]

That’s about

60% less than SF

Or actually I mean in SF it’s 60%ish higher than 2600

(assuming u meant CAD)

Difference ofc is tech salaries in SF are (I’m guessing) way higher than 60% higher than in TOR

[vivid fiber]

Nah

I don't mind living with my parents

[vivid fiber]

Wdym lower my stds?

[azure junco]

according to levels.fyi, median TC for a SWE in Toronto is $132 462 CAD (~$98 220 USD) while the median TC for a SWE in San fran is $323 040 USD

$323 000 median tc sounds absurdly high though so i don't necessarily trust that their data isn't biased

[quartz ridge]

Depends on the person. I like some time with parents but much prefer my own place

[azure junco]

also the fact that a lot of higher ranking positions (like distinguished swe, principal engineer, etc.) probably require you to relocate to an SF office for a lot of companies

[vivid fiber]

Levels skews higher

Because mostly ppl who r happy with their salaries report it

[azure junco]

right but then why isn't toronto skewed a lot higher as well

[vivid fiber]

It is

132k cad is a bit high

[azure junco]

i don't think $130k tc is unreasonable when you account for all levels of swe (not just entry level)

actually no you're right

it's a little high

[vivid fiber]

Nah it is tbh

Toronto doesn't pay well

[azure junco]

probably closer to 100k would be right

[quartz ridge]

Toronto and Van pay the best out of all Canadian cities

[vivid fiber]

Ya 90~100k os prob mor accurate

[quartz ridge]

Toronto/Van then Waterloo

[azure junco]

i said it before and i'll say it again

canada's #1 export is smart engineers

[quartz ridge]

90-100 is too low for tc for sure

Unless it’s base lol

[azure junco]

do many companies in canada even offer rsu's

aside from faang

[quartz ridge]

No

[azure junco]

so then base would be accurate no?

like base would be about the tc

maybe like 5-10k off if you also count bonuses

[quartz ridge]

But there’s companies that offer stocks and not rsus

Rsus is a US thing no?

Or am I tripping lol

[azure junco]

i thought amazon offers rsu's in canada

or am i crazy idk

i know a lot of companies offer stock matching through an esp but it's usually only up to like 5%-6% of your paycheque

[quartz ridge]

Oh yeah that’s common

There’s also like rrsp matching right

[fickle juniper]

For Median? That’s pretty low

We’re talking about all levels right?

[azure junco]

yeah but isn't it usually a pretty low percentage

[quartz ridge]

Yeah. I would ball park like 120 TC average

[fickle juniper]

UBC cs grads have a median comp of $100k according to this

[azure junco]

yeah idk i think there's a really good reason that most people who have degrees from top unis in canada fiend for a job in the us

[quartz ridge]

This market is tough even for top tier cs kids tho

[fickle juniper]

This is like 2021 survey or something for 2021 grads

[quartz ridge]

Imagine a no name college grad job hunting rn

Yeah but 2021 was a diff story- that’s peak vs recession 2023

[fickle juniper]

Altho actually tbf this would include US comp

[azure junco]

it's a double edged sword because a lot of smaller companies are throwing out resumes of ppl from good unis/with good work history bc they assume they're gonna leave the moment the market recovers

[quartz ridge]

Do they convert usd to cad or is it all local currency

[fickle juniper]

Maybe it’s my overinflated sense of TC in Canada from seeing all the Amazon offers the last few yrs, but 100k seems pretty low

[quartz ridge]

It’s also all levels not just junior

[azure junco]

fwiw i personally know people who got new grad offers from non big-tech for swes (think telecom, banks, older tech like oracle, government of canada) that ranged from $80k-$100k ish

[lapis tide]

which is true

[fickle juniper]

Ya same, but that’s new grad

R we talking about all levels?

Or just new grad

[azure junco]

right but if that's new grad then all levels would be even higher

[fickle juniper]

Ah yeah that was my thought as well

[azure junco]

i think we are arguing for the same side 😭

[quartz ridge]

All levels would be much higher

But there are def a huge influx of 0-2 YOE junior devs

Compared to more senior devs

So we still def should skew more to account for new grad and mid level devs

[azure junco]

another thing is wage lagging for ppl who have stayed at the same company for like 5+ years

[vivid fiber]

Nah i tink dats acc

[timid tartan]

I mean 100k is not low in the sense that you can’t afford basic needs, but you’ll barely save anything bcs the gov robbing your money

I’ve been talking to my friends in other majors and they told me like they’ll be grateful if they can even get a 50k job

[fickle juniper]

Ppl say this but I literally don't know a single person that makes this little as a swe in van. Even folks without degrees

And btw we were talking about Toronto, which I assume is similar in terms of comp as Van

Even accounting new grads make about this much nowadays

[quartz ridge]

lol once ur past 100k ur in top 10% of earners in canada

Like ppl complaining about 6 figs are just out of touch with reality 😂 😂

[fickle juniper]

U know many ppl in Van making 50-60k as a swe?

Interesting

Maybe I do have an inflated sense of tc then, not sure

Unity?

I was offered $37 per hr for an internship

At Unity

Plus a housing bonus

This is wrong, ik ppl who got 100-120k offers at SAP the last 2yrs

Is this cad or usd

The image literally says USD

Top right corner

[lapis tide]

Lmao

[fickle juniper]

U picked the lowest comp out of that list m8

That’s not exactly representative for median

Sure but ik for a fact that their new grad offers last yr are pretty similar to what’s on there

[hot rapids]

sap is 90-100k im pre sure

they pay pre well for canada/van

[candid oxide]

why lol

banks pay that much

i know citi does

[hot rapids]

I think most reputable/big name places probs pay $80-90k

there are defs companies that pay 65-70k tho

[fickle juniper]

I think maybe u have a deflated sense of comp 😅

[hot rapids]

like MDA I think pays $65k

[candid oxide]

i have friends working even like government in toronto and make like ~95k

[fickle juniper]

Yeah but this is new grad

New grad isn’t the median comp for all swes in Toronto

[hot rapids]

yeah that's true

[fickle juniper]

100k for that seems low to me

[hot rapids]

2yoe I'd say $100k+ is a pre fair ballpark

[fickle juniper]

U are applying to new grad jobs in the worst market in many yrs

[hot rapids]

didn't you work at meta or smth?

[fickle juniper]

100k for ALL swes in Toronto

I’m saying is low for a median

[timid tartan]

[hot rapids]

I think for all SWE $100k is pre low

keyword on ALL

newgrad, probably that's on the higher end

https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022#salary-canada

probably responder bias

but this has some info too

[fickle juniper]

This is in USD

[hot rapids]

yeah im just saying probs upward pressure from the bias that higher salary ppl respond

or "good" developers that use stack overflow

but this gives a ballpark of the median

[fickle juniper]

Everything I’ve seen so far makes me feel even more like 100k is defs low as a ballpark for a median for swes in Toronto

Okay sure ig

Not what we’re talking about but ur right

I don’t disagree with that

[hot rapids]

I think there's a lot more in the $70-80k range for ng actually

40-50k seems super low

[fickle juniper]

40-50k is what entry level auditors (accountants) make

At pretty much any professional services firm

[quartz ridge]

40-60 K new grad at Loblaws? Loblaws interns already make 65K lol

[fossil field]

literally me at 60k rn but its first job out of uni

[candid oxide]

isnt minimum wage already like 30 something k lol

[hot rapids]

isnt that an internshiptho?

[fickle juniper]

Oh sorry, that’s solid for new grad

[hot rapids]

damn 25/hr thats crazy

fur FT?? :oo

[fickle juniper]

25/hr?

[quartz ridge]

I’d say 70% of new grad jobs pay between 60-85K

[hot rapids]

I would say that's fair

[quartz ridge]

I.e around 1 standard deviation around the mean

[hot rapids]

$100k is quite rate tbh, you need an far above average outcome in canada to meet that

[thorny frost]

Ikr that's what cashiers at Costco make

[quartz ridge]

Yeah for sure. The average ng in Canada does not make 100K

[thorny frost]

That's pretty insulting for a tech salary

[quartz ridge]

100K for a new grad swe has to be top 5-10%

imo

Prob 10%

[hot rapids]

you get stock I guess

[quartz ridge]

I was surprised at this too. Sap interns make anywhere from 28-34/hour. And new grad at 100k is like 47/hour

[fickle juniper]

Yeah I think ur right about that

[thorny frost]

I would say 70k is probably the average salary for entry level SWEs

[quartz ridge]

It’s probably quite good

It’s very surprising to me that SAP can pay 6 figs for new grad

The interview process seems relatively light

[fickle juniper]

I’d say the median/average OUTCOME is a lot higher, but for folks who stay in Canada, yes that seems to track

[thorny frost]

Are you guys all going to the US after graduation?

[fickle juniper]

Only thing is they barely hire new grads

[thorny frost]

I see

[quartz ridge]

Yeah we’re just looking at Canadian folks here

[thorny frost]

Everyone and their mom wants a remote job these days

[hot rapids]

you're not gonna get a sap ng tho, hard hiring freeze

[quartz ridge]

Lots of the top tier swe talent in Canada doesn’t end up as ng in Canada. Most are migrating to Us

[fickle juniper]

Remote from Canada?

[hot rapids]

but before that, it was defs $100k

[thorny frost]

You pretty much need to have a stacked resume to have a chance of getting a remote job

[fickle juniper]

Damn sorry to hear that

[quartz ridge]

Lot of the talent outside of those moving to Us are concentrated in Waterloo area

Like google Waterloo or some other satellite offices

[fickle juniper]

Wait does Twilio still do this?

[hot rapids]

I saw an infographic where it had sfu and ubc with the most msft and amazon new grad

and waterloo with the most meta lmao

[quartz ridge]

160k in Waterloo

[fickle juniper]

Yup cuz MS/Zon Van

[quartz ridge]

230 in bay

[thorny frost]

I heard 50% of waterloo grads move to the US after graduation

[quartz ridge]

First year comp

160 cad is standard offer rn

[fickle juniper]

Honesty I doubt it

[quartz ridge]

They’re having big layoffs atm tho

[thorny frost]

Google is more prestigious than NASA right?

[quartz ridge]

But yeah G standard offer is 110 base and the rest stock, bonus and some relo

[azure junco]

You can't get nasa as a Canadian unless you're a dual citizen

[quartz ridge]

I believe first year comp is around 165 if u count relo

Recurring is smth like 150

[thorny frost]

I'd kill to work at Google or NASA lol

[quartz ridge]

This is 2023. It was prob closer to 130-140 in past years

100%

[fickle juniper]

ICT3 ik someone who got 214k in Van FY

[thorny frost]

Makes sense

Government tech is usually outdated

[fickle juniper]

Infra SWE

[hot rapids]

breh toggling between US and other countries on this is so sad 😭

https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022#salary-united-states

[fickle juniper]

For services like Apple TV and stuff

Yes

[quartz ridge]

Can Levels.FYI please make it obvious as fuck if it’s CAD or USD

I never know lmfao

And ppl be inputting it cad half the time

[fickle juniper]

I think there’s a toggle

[quartz ridge]

USD the other half

Yee ik

[fickle juniper]

My friend got it as a new grad

[quartz ridge]

But like ppl inputting their data

Keep messing w it

[fickle juniper]

ICT3 is a lot lower “mid-level” compared to like first promo at other FAANG

If u look at levels.fyi

Ig similar to how u can get either L62 or L63 or whatever as a new grad at MS

[hot rapids]

so you work at blackberry? how come your name is goatberry

[fickle juniper]

I wish

[candid oxide]

💀

[stable ravine]

how much yoe?

[fickle juniper]

1 now

But he got it as a new grad

[stable ravine]

damn

[hot rapids]

i need blackberry so bad

[stable ravine]

i need ibm so bad

;/

[candid oxide]

goatberry

[fickle juniper]

Is blackberry code for a certain other company

[hot rapids]

goatberry -> apple pipeline is frfr

[stable ravine]

get work exp and move on TN

[stable ravine]

infra at apple as a ng? gg

[quartz ridge]

Wdym blackberry is cool lol

Like maybe not as big as Faang but it’s still good

[stable ravine]

AI company?

382k in canada? lies

RO from zon?

[candid oxide]

no

also not taking cuz leaving this country

[stable ravine]

tf

[drifting panther]

what in the world pays so much in canada

[stable ravine]

pass me the job dude

[quartz ridge]

humble man

[stable ravine]

[candid oxide]

just saying like outside of faang and stuff lots of random startups/unicorns will pay pretty well

[stable ravine]

high risk high rewards

[hot rapids]

yeah unicorns would defs pay a lot

[candid oxide]

us based ones

not canada

[hot rapids]

there's snowflake in TO

stripe, etc

[night snow]

real estate

[hot rapids]

yeah but they still pay really high in canadian terms

[candid oxide]

idk no one takes canadian RO they all go to US lol

[stable ravine]

you paying taxes to the government

[hot rapids]

we accept less bc that's just the standards here. We're just another satelite office for the us. We're offshored work LOL

[stable ravine]

coz there are no jobs here

[hot rapids]

we're high talent offshore workers

[candid oxide]

i mean COL does come out cheaper here still like 100k cad in toronto is >> 100k usd in nyc or osmething

[night snow]

No capital in Canada

[quartz ridge]

Similar ngl

[fickle juniper]

Yeah but its rarely commensurate

[quartz ridge]

NYC is a gnarly tho very enjoyable place

[stable ravine]

does upcoming us election have any impact on canadian interest rates? I'm p sure that they'll reduce their interest rates

[quartz ridge]

Like don’t get me wrong nyc is a lovely place to live

[candid oxide]

yeah but im saying ppl want to get paid the USD dollar amount in canada

[night snow]

It's also incredibly hard to start a medium sized software company here

[candid oxide]

which happens but is usually absurd

[stable ravine]

just until I get a job

1 month of x100 ng postings

isn't it already falling?

[night snow]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-business-competition-in-canada-has-declined-over-the-last-20-years/

[hot rapids]

I think our gdp per capita declining, and theres a huge focus on immigration to bring that upwards

but lotsa immigrants getting educated on non-relevant fields

[stable ravine]

what can immigrants do? if there're no jobs?

but isn't it a long term process (if they start now it'll atleast take 5-10yrs?)

[azure junco]

Ok if we lower interest rates I will find an internship in the USA so it works out

[night snow]

Companies would rather cut costs with cheaper workers instead of differentiating themselves with R&D

[hot rapids]

fortinet, etc, lots of companies made by immigrants

[stable ravine]

fortinet? canadian?

damn

[hot rapids]

oh mb, I think fortinet is bay area founding

[night snow]

fortinet is kind of toxic from the stories I heard

[hot rapids]

but I was just sayinga bout immigratns in general

[stable ravine]

fortinet mfs have 2019 ng posting for 2023 and never heard back from them

they laid off a lot and not hiring ig 😭

[night snow]

fortinet has their main NA development hub in Burnaby even though they're an US company 💀

[stable ravine]

true

[stable ravine]

cheap labour?

[hot rapids]

canada to me has always appeared research innovation oriented

like the ML fellas at uoft

[night snow]

The school recruiter told me the US branch mostly does sales and HR

[stable ravine]

ain't happening soon

[stable ravine]

this was 10yrs ago, is it still like that?

[night snow]

Yeah I feel like Montreal is really one of the few places with a good amount of high tech

[azure junco]

they are also victims of canadian brain drain, consider jimmy ba

[stable ravine]

most of the hinton's students have a startup in bay area

[stable ravine]

after working for FAANG

should I reach out to the recruiter, if they I don't heard back from them?

[night snow]

now I think about it half of the talented graduates I know from my school ended up in the US

Yeah and most of the jobs here are either CAN branch of US company or cheap labour

[azure junco]

me too one day 🤞🤞🤞🤞

crazy that it's better financially in california than canada for startups

[night snow]

Did you apply for government grants?

it's not a lot but it helps

https://nrc.canada.ca/en/support-technology-innovation
https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/scientific-research-experimental-development-tax-incentive-program.html

[azure junco]

most canadian startups I know are funded by investors based in the USA

https://tenor.com/view/shark-tank-mr-wonderful-deirevs-gif-20327405

[night snow]

not many startup companies do reinforcement learning rn

good luck

[fossil field]

need any extra developers?

[quartz ridge]

ok which guy made this lmao

[vivid fiber]

That's a diff person

The perso u tagged

[stable ravine]

bro's gonna start his 9th internship this winter

[quartz ridge]

oh wait

[stable ravine]

and continue with his ng offer

[quartz ridge]

lemme tag the right dude lol

[vivid fiber]

Banned

[quartz ridge]

wait he isnt in this server i think

[vivid fiber]

Im p sur

[quartz ridge]

rip :c

[vivid fiber]

For missoginuey

[stable ravine]

is he banned? I saw mutual server

[vivid fiber]

#630557903883075613 message

[quartz ridge]

ya i tihnk

he might be in cs majors

[vivid fiber]

That's a diff pers

[quartz ridge]

the meme is very funny tho

i LOLed so hard when i saw it

[stable ravine]

lol GHC issue? p sure

[vivid fiber]

Nah way back

[vivid fiber]

I'm glad u wer abl to find enjoyment from the server

[stable ravine]

oh my bad yeah dif persons

[lapis tide]

missoginuey

[thorny frost]

It's us vs uWaterloo, UofT and UBC

[hot rapids]

damn yo this is low key tru!

[thorny frost]

We got gapped too hard

Those mfs already did a CS internship in HS

They're ahead of the curve

[vivid fiber]

Bad mindset

Yes they have an advantage

But you can still do well

Even at a worse school

[thorny frost]

I just hope that I can beat them on the behavioural interview lol

That's the only thing I can beat them at

[vivid fiber]

Why

Can you not be more skilled?

[thorny frost]

Because they probably spend at least 4 hours coding every day

[hot rapids]

yeah I feel like upskilling is part of why tech is more approachable when making urself a better candidate

like if you're tryna get better at banking, that's harder... got birth diffed

[thorny frost]

I know a guy who bombed the technical interview but he got hired cuz he did really well on the behavioural interview

It was for a SWE position at Tesla

[hot rapids]

I just feel like if I got skill gapped in an interview, I have a broad sense of what I did wrong and how I can improve. Feels more actionable than I guess interviews in some other industries

[thorny frost]

If you have great communication and social skills as a CS major then you'll be an extremely attractive candidate

There are many CS majors who can't even hold a convo or make eye contact

[hot rapids]

yeah but you still gotta be good at technicals to pass OA lol

[thorny frost]

That's true ig

[swift cave]

Wtf

[hot rapids]

there's two shaquille oatmeals?

[stable ravine]

a lot

[thorny frost]

I'm just exaggerating but I heard it's not uncommon for some students to study 10-12 hours a day

Yeah you always have to find a balance

I wouldn't study more than 6 hours a day personally

[hot rapids]

I feel like taking a DSA class and doing some questions from blind75 or neetcode isn't a crazy ask

I think most companies will just ask lc easy - med

yeah, for other industries, I feel like you gotta do sooo much more and still get paid far less

tech is for sure not purely meritocratic, there's defs rng and networking involved, but you know where to improve on for the most part. There's also actual volume of postings to apply to (maybe not now for canada lol), but other industries got like 6 postings

[timid tartan]

LC is fine until you got hit by LC hard

[hot rapids]

yeah but I feel like lc hard is more rare, or for really high tc companies

[timid tartan]

Yeah it's quite rare

So far I got it from Apple and Snapchat

At least the ones that I remember

[hot rapids]

like if your tc is $170k+ as a new grad, I feel like a hard is quite fair

[timid tartan]

Well I know a company offering that TC which asks LC easy

[hot rapids]

Well weren’t you interviewing with big N companies

Just unlucky :(

Rng on the questions, I’m sure some candidates get only mediums

I think my first technical ever was “find all permutations”, which was a LC med

That was for a startup

I feel like that was pre tough cuz recursive backtracking

Had like 4 months of coding at that point

[candid oxide]

I rmb ppl kept telling me like couple years ago “you’ll never be asked lc hard or dp”

biggest lie ever ☠️

[analog current]

tell me pretty little lies, ill be urs and youll be mine

[timid tartan]

LMAO

[quartz ridge]

oh hell naw lmaoo

my first ever interview was with Coveo

and i got a LC hard

and i thought ok im never getting an internship ever

lol

[analog current]

in my interview i talked about myself the whole time to where they didnt have time to ask me any LC

dont know why they didnt call back

[worldly ridge]

its because u got mogged by me

[analog current]

im enrolled in trigmoggetry

in mogwarts

[worldly ridge]

im in rizzanomics in mogwarts

[analog current]

u dont even thumb p0ull 😂

[worldly ridge]

i lookmax

[proud canopy]

ily guys

[analog current]

hey guys :3

i just wanna say, even the darkest clouds have sun shine on the other side :3

[analog current]

shut the fuck up 😂 🙏 😭 🗣️

[stable ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/you-good-mate-you-good-australlia-australlian-kangaroo-gif-26064296

[fiery prism]

Happy Monday Canadians

Hope everyone is employed this week

[sly kindle]

I just realized I have enough money saved to live on the beach in Thailand for 15 years

Why would I even work anymore?

[weak gazelle]

[sly kindle]

Who's down to join me?

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-dancing-dance-beach-gif-22846788

Us while everyone in Canada is struggling to find a job

[lapis tide]

no

[timid tartan]

[timid tartan]

Then what are you gonna do after that 15 years is over

[lapis tide]

[sly kindle]

Kill myself

[worldly ridge]

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/12/04/spotify-to-lay-off-17percent-of-employees-ceo-daniel-ek-says.html

this is foreshadowing of Janaury 2024

https://tenor.com/view/brace-yourself-gif-2155174657799540808

@sly kindle thoughts?

[timid tartan]

Damn…well I guess we’ll see mass layoffs at other big companies

I need to take recruiting way more seriously fml

[sly kindle]

It will get worse before it gets better

BoC is stuck until US lowers rates too

[turbid crater]

When will it get better ???

I need 200k TC

As an INTERN 😭😭

[sly kindle]

After it gets worse

😉

[worldly ridge]

it will not get better

[turbid crater]

If it doesn’t get better, I’ll be better

I’ll be better than y’all. I’ll catch them all

[worldly ridge]

the new shaqile oatmeal

[turbid crater]

Nahh you wildin

[turbid crater]

I alone am the honoured one

[worldly ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-what-wut-crazy-gif-15043161

[turbid crater]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-toji-jujutsu-kaisen-gojo-satoru-satoru-gojo-gif-8335836734021920844

That’s enough trolling for the day 😂

[analog current]

Good morning everyone :3

🥰

[analog current]

Listening to perfect girl in the car as i wait for my bus to come 😔

Shit went downhill since 11:35 so fast 😔

[languid fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-canada-simpsons-ralph-wiggum-gif-16035629

[fallen mason]

guys I think moving to Saskatchewan and becoming farmers might be the move

pls quit ur jobs

[fickle lotus]

Join my startup, we're using an in-house AI solution (chat gpt) to DISRUPT the farming industry (adding unnecessary bloatware to their machines)

[storm stream]

Hello Canadians

Housing prices 📈

ER wait times 📈

[lapis tide]

[storm stream]

Jobs 📉

[stable ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/feyresmaid-gif-21798212

[storm stream]

Wages 📉

Immigration 📈

Price of food 📈

What gives?

[storm stream]

🫵🏼 😆

[sly kindle]

Canada is a banana republic

Makes me sick tbh

Although the good news is that in 20 years at least you'll have plenty of friends because we'll all be homeless and jobless so plenty of time to hang out!

[fallen mason]

half of the homeless population of Canada by 2040 is gonna have cs degrees

mark my words

[sly kindle]

half of the population of canada will be homeless by 2040

mark my wods

[storm stream]

[analog current]

Guys im a second year student

What can i do to get ahead

And get a job

?

Should i build a portfolio website? That will surley make me stand out

[sour locust]

yes!

and build a todolist and put it on your resume

[jaunty wolf]

how hard was the backend interview?

[analog current]

PIMPLUP

new strat might be to go to countrys like iraq and create a tech scene there

i genuinly have 2 mil

iraq

dinar

[sour locust]

yooo

i have like 2000 iraq dinar

🔥

[worldly ridge]

dinar?

[analog current]

bruh

[worldly ridge]

i only know doner

doner kebab

[analog current]

thats turkish

[worldly ridge]

i dont care

turkey invented shwarama

gtfo

[analog current]

bruh

1.5 mil cad gets u that fire mansion

baghdad isa city of 6 million ppl

3 times the size of toronto

nvm

twice the size

[candid oxide]

damn that sounds bomb af

[analog current]

2.5 times

[fossil field]

who still dont got a job

[analog current]

me mf

hire

:3

[sly kindle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/18aom4o/unprecedented_decline_in_the_standard_of_living/

[sly kindle]

You're a disgrace to this channel

https://tenor.com/view/nathantriska-ana-mrstriska-hottest-guy-influencer-gif-17868006

I HAVE A JOP!!!! LOOOOOK GUYS 😄

[analog current]

what the fuck was the context of this photo

💀

[sly kindle]

It's all on purpose, most don't realize

You will wake up one day with nothing

You will look back on the next 5-10 years and connect the dots, only in retrospect

"Damn. I should have realized I was getting fucked"

[worldly ridge]

Jobs for everyone janaury

[fossil field]

urm im trying to give advice

[stone osprey]

Has anyone here interviewed with personify?

[fossil field]

what is your strategy for job searching

[sly kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-erm-actually-gif-1250521116484472508

[analog current]

praying

[fossil field]

nah but fr are you just spamming apply on linkedin and/or indeed?

[analog current]

no

im acc not applying

[hot rapids]

He’s networking hella

[candid oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/connection-its-about-connection-40yr-old-virgin-mooj-steve-carell-gif-20490652

[fossil field]

uh so ur on pause now?

[fossil field]

it really is tho

yall tryna make fun of me while im working and yall jobless like what?

[candid oxide]

not jobless brotha

[fossil field]

in software eng?

or sobeys

[candid oxide]

ye

[fossil field]

alr then im not talking about you

[zenith eagle]

i think i'm all knackered out, senioritis hiting me hard i just don't wanna do anything i just wanna layflat

but alas the clock ticks on and so shall i

[timid tartan]

Tbh that only works in other majors

In CS it's TC or gtfo

[zenith eagle]

i have to read this SIGMOD paper from databricsk and this is so interesting but i just am tired

[timid tartan]

Wait for what tho 👀

[zenith eagle]

wdym for what

for skool

i'm like a grad student but in undergrad

[timid tartan]

Oh lmao I see

Okay makes sense xD

[zenith eagle]

reading all these papers makes me hate CRUD more

but alas

[timid tartan]

Ye CRUD is boring af

[zenith eagle]

why can't i be a sigma at sigmod

[timid tartan]

I'm lucky that I will be able to avoid it at work

[zenith eagle]

i hope u get silo'd to a crud frontend heavy task

[candid oxide]

[lapis tide]

not after im done making this call

[timid tartan]