canada

[timid tartan]

Who tf cares about the brand lol

[storm stream]

Me and Steven are creating a start up

[timid tartan]

You work for the money, not to flex the brand to your friends

[storm stream]

Sanitation services

[stable ravine]

Money

[fiery prism]

Money

[timid tartan]

Tf

You're the only one bro

[stable ravine]

Unless you're passionate of swe

[timid tartan]

Idt it's about passion anymore

The work at FAANG and other big techs are pretty boring

[storm stream]

I'm passionate about SE (sanitation engineer, sales engineer)

[timid tartan]

Ask @storm stream

He knows the best about it

[quartz ridge]

Ty for advice. Sadly I’m not in the position to use it yet 😂

[timid tartan]

Tbh I don't think there's anything wrong with startups

Especially if they are unicorns

Like idk databricks etc

[strange jay]

is faang even hiring in canada

[timid tartan]

No

[strange jay]

exactly

we dont get 2 choose :/

i always thought tech recruiting was hard

started uni sep 2021

[fossil field]

wish i graduated in 2021, but i was only 2 years in lol

[strange jay]

lol

how was even the market prior 2021

least they got interviews lol

yea thats what im sayin

[timid tartan]

Working at a faang might reduce your lifespan too

[strange jay]

all downhills for me

[timid tartan]

Especially the rainforest one

[fossil field]

just gotta put 2-3 years in

[timid tartan]

[fiery prism]

if u a waterloo/uoft ?

[strange jay]

damn ://////

[timid tartan]

I don't think I can survive that long unless I start pulling overtime from day 1 lmao

[fiery prism]

ngl ppl who studied from 2016-2019 were rich now

[fossil field]

just everything going on with no growth in tech for the past year or 2

[strange jay]

yup

[fiery prism]

jobs were everywhere

[fossil field]

meh even 1 year

i think it would be fun tbh

[fiery prism]

nowadays jobs are nowhere

[strange jay]

what sector is booming rn in canada tho

[timid tartan]

Nothing

[strange jay]

ik finance is being dumped rn

[fossil field]

skill trades

[timid tartan]

Canada is doomed

[fossil field]

but also nothing

even construction is being dumped

only maintanice will be up like that south park panderverse movie

[timid tartan]

Sometimes I want Biden to take over Canada so that we can have more jobs

[strange jay]

yeah

[timid tartan]

[fossil field]

yup once janurary starts and budgets reset then we will see better

[fiery prism]

Biden's going down

[fossil field]

but till then this q4 is worst in decades

it wont be good as before but we will see some bounce back even if its a little

[strange jay]

hope so

[fossil field]

but also recssion just hit in canada so a lot of people are getting fired soon

officially*

it hit a while ago lol

[strange jay]

only concern

is stagflation

[quartz ridge]

Anyone wish they started internship hunting during sophomore year lol

[strange jay]

they're poorly run

[fossil field]

canada is in way worse situation than us, we can not handle financial turmole

[quartz ridge]

I started as a junior and didn’t have time to level up

[strange jay]

us has liquidity to qe again

if inflation simmered down

we cant

[quartz ridge]

Like these Sophs landing gigs are actually levelling up to Faang level so fast

[fossil field]

meh i had one junior and senior year, either way internships mean shit all now

[strange jay]

:/

[quartz ridge]

Sophs are killing it

[fossil field]

just a really bad time for non expereinced developers

[quartz ridge]

Which company?

[fossil field]

still good for 8+ years devs cause not too many of those compared to less

do it for sure

[strange jay]

only option tbh

[fossil field]

a job is better than no job

what place gave you return offer?

[strange jay]

wealthsimple?

[fossil field]

will it be more in return offer?

like do you have an offical return offer?

what school you go too? it matters

take that job hoe trust me

i spent 3 months searching while going extremely broke

[fiery prism]

evertz?

[fossil field]

bruh just say

i went to york

[fiery prism]

York?

[fossil field]

queens?

[fiery prism]

York is bottom tier

[fossil field]

nah bro

[fiery prism]

[fossil field]

lmao its not

[quartz ridge]

It’s ok I failed coinbase riot Palantir oops

[strange jay]

queens > uwo

for cs

[fossil field]

for other stuff yea but for cs and engineering its good

[fiery prism]

lol

york cs profs are ass

[quartz ridge]

What was it

[fiery prism]

and its coop program is shit

[fossil field]

yea they are trash but it still a tough program and teaches you logic

[quartz ridge]

They didn’t that’s just an auto template message

[fossil field]

but for cs its t300 school so im taking it

ryerson is over 1400 lmap

[quartz ridge]

ohh red black loll

[fossil field]

data structures is so retarded to test developer on

[timid tartan]

What????

[fossil field]

u dont even use it that aggresively and developing is a lot lot more than knowing algos on data structures

[timid tartan]

Why lmao

[strange jay]

still no better options for lazy ppl

[timid tartan]

I did an internship project on which it was entirely data structures and graph algorithms

No REST API and other stuff like that

[proud canopy]

ngl I prefer it now after I grinded leetcode for a few months and got gud

[fossil field]

nah it should be problem solving skills on givin a tast how would you go about solving it etc

[fiery prism]

DSA visualization?

[timid tartan]

Nono

Not personal project

I mean internship project

[fiery prism]

oh

[proud canopy]

also I had to solve a leetcode qs to fix a bug at work yesterday

[timid tartan]

Like that was my project at work lmao

[fiery prism]

at zon?

[timid tartan]

Nah

Coinbase

[fiery prism]

....

[fossil field]

developing is about googling lol and knowing how to find the solution

[timid tartan]

? why lmao

[proud canopy]

I think it's fine

[fiery prism]

what's ur background btw

nah u said u interned at coinbase

[proud canopy]

some companies like tiktok and snowflake go too hard and that's dumb

[fiery prism]

I'm jealous

[strange jay]

any1 heard of founder legacy partners

[timid tartan]

A broke person trying to survive

[proud canopy]

but I think a lc medium is fair game

[strange jay]

ceo just sent me offer

[fossil field]

doesnt show how good of a developer u are

imo

[timid tartan]

Congrats

[fossil field]

and in a lot of hiring managers opinions

[strange jay]

idk if this is scam

[proud canopy]

yeah

snowflake oa

closed that shit in less than 10 minutes

[timid tartan]

Lmaooo it doesn't even matter in this economy

[fiery prism]

have u tried optiver oa

[fossil field]

nah but it makes u grind for something thats not way too useful

[quartz ridge]

bro u have coinbase

I failed coinbase lmaoo

[fossil field]

just saying dsa are not a good measure of a good eveloper

[quartz ridge]

Should’ve chose front end

And just done the react interview

[candid oxide]

Then what do you suggest

[quartz ridge]

I chose backend and got destroyed

[fossil field]

like i said

[candid oxide]

I mean lc is problem solving too to a degree

U learn all the concepts required in ur degree

[fossil field]

nah like an actual programming task

how you would go about reading the solution

who to ask

what to research/query

[timid tartan]

Not for new grad

[timid tartan]

For internship?

[timid tartan]

Huh like did you fail the live coding round or what lmao

[fiery prism]

so no NG interview for u so far? except zon offer

[timid tartan]

I've had a bunch but none turned to be an offer

[fiery prism]

damn...

[timid tartan]

I even interviewed with Coinbase for new grad (no, the job posting was not public) but I got rejected after the HM round for whatever reason that is

It's weird but it is what it is

[fiery prism]

even govt NG jobs are hard to get in

[timid tartan]

Yeah it's insanely hard this year

If I didn't have a return offer I would still be jobless despite the number of interviews I've had lmao

[fiery prism]

govts only want to keep us in internship loops so that they won't pay more

and hire very little NG

[quartz ridge]

Yeah internship I just coded badly lol

[quartz ridge]

How much is tc for coinbase in Canada I’m assuming?

[candid oxide]

It’s like 180k cad or smth

[timid tartan]

181k TC

[proud canopy]

how much base

[timid tartan]

124k CAD

[proud canopy]

wow

[timid tartan]

Don't worry about it, they're not even hiring

[proud canopy]

that's p high for canada

[timid tartan]

Yes

[proud canopy]

I never got their oa I can't even worry if I wanted to

[timid tartan]

Lmfaaaooooo

Yeah cracking their resume screen was hard af

[azure junco]

snowflake oa made me cry

[timid tartan]

I think I got rejected twice before I finally got an OA

[azure junco]

straight up closed my laptop after 10 mins

i never felt so stupid 💀

[proud canopy]

tbf didn't expect to either, I don't really have anything web dev or backend related on my resume

[timid tartan]

That shouldn't even matter

[proud canopy]

will try for ng after next summer internship

[timid tartan]

My work at CB was neither of those

[candid oxide]

I think if u have referral for cb it’s high chance

[proud canopy]

will have a recognizable name so hopefully that matters

[drifting shore]

3x dp

[azure junco]

what's considered a high base for canada

[fiery prism]

200k

[proud canopy]

90k lmao

[timid tartan]

Idt that matters either

[proud canopy]

realistically

[timid tartan]

I think the process at that time was almost like a lottery

[azure junco]

i don't think so because telecom & gov both pay 90 for new grad and aren't they notorious for paying under market rate

[timid tartan]

For Fall 2022, there were 25k applications in the span of 3 days (US & Canada combined)

[azure junco]

i thought like 110k new grad would be considered "good"

90k would be average

or am i having survivorship bias

[azure junco]

jesus

[candid oxide]

Hm me and my friends that got referral got moved forward like instantly so I thought it was big deal

[timid tartan]

Yea I was shocked too lmfao

[lapis tide]

[drifting shore]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-shush-shh-ok-bird-gif-17679708

[timid tartan]

Ah

Idk then lmao

[timid tartan]

[fiery prism]

I saw a post of interac on linkedin about having 9k applications and only takes 27 students

[timid tartan]

Oh yeah only 26 got the offers out of the 25k applicants at that time for CB

So...

[azure junco]

omg congrats on job

[timid tartan]

That's a pretty normal thing lmao

[hot rapids]

Hard to time box this into a 1 hour window though. A technical interview is also basically a pair programming session, they get insight on how you think and what kind of question you ask

[lapis tide]

😔

no job

[azure junco]

no job??

i thought you had job

[lapis tide]

no job

[azure junco]

https://tenor.com/view/sadge-sad-xqc-sad-pepe-sad-feelsbad-gif-17782875

[quartz ridge]

oh thats huge

[lapis tide]

bro tryna flex

[quartz ridge]

what was ur prev exp before coinbase internship?

[timid tartan]

Ummm

[azure junco]

i would be happy with like $100k base as a new grad

and nothing extra

[strange jay]

lol

[lapis tide]

congrats on snowflake

[quartz ridge]

ok so, 60-80k is very typical lol

[azure junco]

bro i wish

[quartz ridge]

for new grad TC

so 90 k base

is def high lol

idk what you guys are on about

[timid tartan]

I had like 4 part time contract work + full time internship at Circle

[quartz ridge]

thinking 90k base is not high....?

most new grads arent even touching 90k TC

[lapis tide]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-23548728

[fiery prism]

bro has everything and nothing at the same time

[quartz ridge]

bro has the highest tc in canada

[hot rapids]

I think many jobs I’ve seen from reputable companies in van are around 80-90k

[quartz ridge]

sap is like 75 k no?

like the biggest few in van is like amazon, microsoft, sap

[hot rapids]

Sap is like $100k 😂

[azure junco]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-bunny-looney-tunes-cash-money-counting-money-gif-17544086

[quartz ridge]

100k?

fr?

[drifting shore]

[hot rapids]

Amazon is $160-170k tc

Sap is 100k cash

Ms is around sap, maybe a bit more

[quartz ridge]

def not 100k lol

[strange jay]

does sap referral work

[quartz ridge]

their intern offer was 30/hr

[strange jay]

not from ubc

[hot rapids]

I interned at sap and know ppl who had ft offers

[quartz ridge]

so i doubt that becomes 100k from new grad

hmmm

[strange jay]

can i get referral

im so down bad

[quartz ridge]

maybe..? but 100k base seems like a big stretch

considering whats on levels

[timid tartan]

[hot rapids]

Hiring freeze now tho :(

[strange jay]

://////

[quartz ridge]

unless they just boost intern conversions

[hot rapids]

There’s no intern conversions or FT hires rn cuz hiring freeze

[timid tartan]

Apple

Asana too I think?

[fiery prism]

IBM ? 😄

[hot rapids]

Asana and Apple Pay very high

[timid tartan]

👀

[timid tartan]

Yeah

[proud canopy]

asana hires in canada?

[fiery prism]

nah sorry ibm pays like shit

at least higher than banks

[strange jay]

prob lowest in big tech

i doubt

[azure junco]

??? ibm pays 90k new grad

[strange jay]

?

[azure junco]

as base

[fiery prism]

really

[azure junco]

yes

[strange jay]

i thought 65-70k

[fiery prism]

i mean intern money

[timid tartan]

But tbh no matter how high your TC is, the taxes will eat your money anyway

[fiery prism]

this

[azure junco]

marginal tax rates say no

as an intern if you're getting taxed anything more than $2000, you're making a shit ton of money

because you should not be taxed on more than like $1000 unless you're making $40+ an hour

[fiery prism]

I thought IBM NG base is 100k

[timid tartan]

Well that’s for intern

[strange jay]

levels.fyi say 98k cad

[timid tartan]

How about FT lmao

[proud canopy]

gonna be paying 2k in taxes next summer

killing myself

[neon imp]

Interesting, so maybe doing PT work and FT school for the next 10 years is the play 🧐

[fossil field]

why stay in school?

[neon imp]

I’m kidding. I can’t wait to be done

[fossil field]

get out as soon as possible and get real world full time skills

i dont get why people want to be new grad title lol

doesnt make you some magic object that companies want

[neon imp]

Tbh, I didnt know the NG title had any meaning aside from “low experience but has degree”

[fossil field]

hahaha yea basically but new grad/ people in school think otherwise

[azure junco]

i want to graduate as early as possible and get real years of experience

most companies don't count internships as experience

so even if you did a PEY they wouldn't consider you for a 2+ YOE role

soon 💪

[fossil field]

man if ur getting 60k ur good

even 50k

just as long as ur foot is in the door

ik

dont obsess over salary when ur a literal noob and are basically worthless compared to senior

[azure junco]

bro has the dream life

[neon imp]

I thought I got taxed a lot during internship then I got $20k in my tax return 🤣

[fossil field]

gotta prove ur worth first

u have a job?

how long?

im a new grad with 2 internships and just 2 weeks into my full time job

so ik im not worth a lot, but i will be after a year

yup exactly so ur good lol go get it bitchhhh

[hot rapids]

Industry apps are way harder than new grad. Bar is way higher, you competing against 2yoe ppl. New grad pipeline is much much easier

[fossil field]

i plan on leaving in a year for a better job and possibly 6 months if i find somethin

[azure junco]

Internship -> return offer pipeline >> cold applying as a new grad

[fossil field]

yea id say im 80k rn but a job is better than no job

bad market rn thats all

worth 80k i mean i dont make that much

not too far away tho

[lapis tide]

congrats on 80k

[fossil field]

hahahaha

soon

[quartz ridge]

ok 90 k is huge

[fossil field]

(a year)

[quartz ridge]

90k is huge for IBM

[fossil field]

90k is blessed id be good with that

[quartz ridge]

i thoguht IBM maybe scrape like 80 k

[fossil field]

wfh and 90k? like hell yea

[neon imp]

80k a year is nothing to scoff at

[quartz ridge]

nah once u pass like 80k

u actually become a big boy

like you cant get bullied

[neon imp]

???

[quartz ridge]

u get a small invincibility shield around you that says 80k certified

[boreal sentinel]

huh lmao

[fossil field]

yea mbn

[quartz ridge]

isnt in office good when the office has free food

[neon imp]

What’s your daily nap schedule like?

[quartz ridge]

wfh is only good if the office is shit or the commute is long

[fossil field]

my internship was wfh and now im in office 5 days a week...sucks major

30min average commute for me

[quartz ridge]

wfh can be bad if you're a social animal

[hot rapids]

$80k is great, but Vancouver rent is like $3k a month

[quartz ridge]

but most cs majors haha

are like very introverted

[fossil field]

id like hybrid but working dt

[neon imp]

What’s your daily nap schedule like? 🧐

[quartz ridge]

so i think most cs majors would thrive on wfh

[fossil field]

i think peeps should be work in office for the first year of their career

[azure junco]

not if your commute costs more than the food

[fossil field]

you wont learn as much being wfh than in office

or at least like 3 days a week in office

[azure junco]

imo early in your career you want in office

[neon imp]

Where are you based?

[azure junco]

once you're a senior go ahead and wfh

but as a junior it's so much easier to learn and collaborate in office

[quartz ridge]

in office is good unless u hate people

or hate early mornings

or hate commutes

or have an office that just serves bananas

[strange jay]

who likes in office

[hot rapids]

Do they even have that anymore 😭

[quartz ridge]

my first office just had a coffe bar thats it

it didnt even have bananas

[quartz ridge]

idk anymore lmaoo

[neon imp]

I like in office if it’s not a cubicle. I guess

[fossil field]

to

[strange jay]

i prefer cubicle

[fossil field]

TO

[quartz ridge]

would you guys rather take 80k WFH or 110K in office 5 days a week

[strange jay]

110k

[azure junco]

110k

you know how much your quality of life improves between 80k and 110k

if it was 110k vs 130k that's a different question

[strange jay]

actually

[timid tartan]

110k unless the WFH can cut living cost, taxes, etc significantly

[strange jay]

80k wfh

[quartz ridge]

is it that noticeable tho

like i feel like after like 80 - 90k

ur happiness doenst go up that much

like ur self sufficient no?

[timid tartan]

Saving goes up

[neon imp]

For me, that would depend on where the job is

[neon imp]

What if we don’t save

[timid tartan]

Ok then yea maybe it doesn’t make too much difference lol

Unless you’re into some expensive cars or other expensive hobbies lmao

[quartz ridge]

do you guys do groceries? i just eat out like 3 meals a day

[fossil field]

i would take wfh tbh

[azure junco]

i think that there's a huge jump in your quality of life at $60k vs $90k, then $90k vs. $110k, and then after like $130k it doesn't really matter

your savings just go up

[fossil field]

just what i prefer mentally but if the office was 5 min away i would do in office tbh

[quartz ridge]

we talking raw cash or tc

[azure junco]

cash

[quartz ridge]

to be fair, cash wise even as a staff swe, you wont be making much more than 200k

you would just be getting more equity

at that point

like base is the hardest to raise

out of the TC components

[lapis tide]

what if its between 130k and 800k

[quartz ridge]

anothing

[fossil field]

not much

tbh

same lifestyle

[quartz ridge]

beyond a certain point you dont get much more happiness from more cash

[fossil field]

actual u can afford like. alot more coke with 800k

[quartz ridge]

like it just sits in ur bank account

[hot rapids]

Spend more on gacha games

;)

[lapis tide]

aint no way

[fossil field]

loool

[quartz ridge]

like you get a couple yachts, a couple nice cars, then what

aint nothing but a muffin

[fossil field]

if it means my life is work then no thanks

[timid tartan]

I agree with this lmao

[fossil field]

not worth it

which usually what it means

[timid tartan]

Even if my TC was 500k, my lifestyle would stay exactly the same

[quartz ridge]

currenty doesnt matter, if you live in canada you use CAD if you live in us you use USD

[azure junco]

you could maybe buy a house after a few years with 800k

big on the maybe

[quartz ridge]

everything currency wise is dependent on where u live

if you work remotely in canada for a US company, convert that to CAD

[azure junco]

yes

have you seen grocery store prices

90k is the new 70k

and 110k is the new 90k

with inflation

[quartz ridge]

tbh its more like

150k is the new 100k

ppl say happiness doesnt increase that much after 100k

its now 150k

after inflaation

lol

[fiery prism]

you can do a 14 legs parlay, bet 100 and get 1000000

[azure junco]

bro i live downtown there's no costcos here 😭

[lapis tide]

1.5M is the new 100k

[azure junco]

toronto srory

i forgot you guys aren't from ontario

[lapis tide]

theres a downtown costco in vancouver

[strange jay]

damn

[weak gazelle]

90k USD in NYC > 90k CAD IN Toronto

[neon imp]

Imagine all the hipster brunch spots you can eat at daily with more money

[quartz ridge]

hard disagree

[weak gazelle]

name 10 jobs that pay >100k in kanada

name 10 jobs in kanada

[quartz ridge]

nyc is still more expensive than toronto

name 10 books

[neon imp]

all the types of oil&gas engineers

[proud canopy]

real estate agent

[strange jay]

isnt nyc 1bdrm 3k usd

[neon imp]

🤣

[quartz ridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zq066kfeHs&ab_channel=MatanEven

[weak gazelle]

NYC > toronto

[proud canopy]

nah

toronto is like Chicago level at best

[lapis tide]

toronto > anywhere else though

[weak gazelle]

NYC GDP is greater than Canada's GDP

[fiery prism]

Toronto >>>>>

[quartz ridge]

nyc is legit one of the best places to live

on planet earth

everyone should live in nyc

at some point in their lives

only downsides is high col and huge sewer rats

[ashen mason]

Y

[quartz ridge]

u gotta live there to find out

it cant be describe using words alone

[neon imp]

Canmore > Toronto

[strange jay]

lmfao

[quartz ridge]

canada has no tech

[weak gazelle]

Canada is the size of a city

[azure junco]

bro if i made $100k i would maybe buy avocados

[strange jay]

we cant even beat them on oil

[weak gazelle]

Canada is a city

[quartz ridge]

what new features does gpt 5 have

[azure junco]

canada's biggest export is smart engineers

[lapis tide]

ilya

[hot rapids]

Honestly this has some truth, Canadian students probs have more internship experiences because of co-op. Schools in Us don’t have coop

[quartz ridge]

schools in us that are ivy league

dont need coop

[azure junco]

domestic student in canada try not to get a degree from waterloo/uoft/mcgill/ubc and then work in the USA challenge (impossible)

[quartz ridge]

like if you have MIT on ur resume

u just get infinite interviews

[lapis tide]

yeah i have a business idea all you need to do is code it

[quartz ridge]

no

[neon imp]

That’s what I did and I don’t think I particularly tried that hard

[quartz ridge]

thats too much of a blanket statement

[weak gazelle]

yet they SWE interns in the US make atleast 3 times

[azure junco]

university culture is very different in the usa vs. canada

canadians are obsessed with internships and jobs

in the usa it's like

go party

[quartz ridge]

i reckon it's a lot harder to get into ivy legues than any top canadian schools

[azure junco]

have fun

[quartz ridge]

like compare mit to mcgill

that isnt even close

[azure junco]

enjoy your college life

[weak gazelle]

mcgill isnt top

[azure junco]

right but it's harder to graduate from a canadian uni imo

[quartz ridge]

ok cs top

lets say

[azure junco]

their barrier of entry is lower

[quartz ridge]

MIT vs waterloo

[azure junco]

but then they weed you out

[lapis tide]

mcgill is the uoft of alberta

[quartz ridge]

barrier of entry for MIT is much much higher

[weak gazelle]

not top either

[quartz ridge]

than waterloo

waterloo is the de facto top cs school in canada

[weak gazelle]

MIT is the UofT of the US

[quartz ridge]

theres no arguing against that

[lapis tide]

harvard is the CS of massachussets

[ashen mason]

Tru

[quartz ridge]

yeah but why do canadian students work harder on average than us kids?

i dont understand the logic behind that

unless its purely anecdotal

[azure junco]

Markham is the Silicon Valley of Canada

i saw this on a job app

btw

[fiery prism]

lmao

[weak gazelle]

there's no way

[fiery prism]

yeah since there are ibm, huawei, amd

[ashen mason]

Bro delete this

[fiery prism]

etc

[neon imp]

Canmore will be the SV of Canada

[quartz ridge]

thats moreso hustling leetcode and job search related try harding. academics and school related hustling is also another front to it

[hot rapids]

McGill hard gaps Stanford pre 1891

[weak gazelle]

combined salaries of all SWEs in Canada = combined salaries of all restaurant servers in NYC

[quartz ridge]

like to get a degree at an ivy league is prob 10x harder than some of the top canadian units

[quartz ridge]

lol ok if Waterloo is not top in canada, name a school that beats it

[weak gazelle]

UofT

lmfao

[quartz ridge]

you're either trolling or uneducated

[strange jay]

ivy league is pure luck

beyond threshold

[weak gazelle]

top CS schools in Canada:

1. UofT
2. York
3. UBC
   $) WLU

[lapis tide]

uoft is the waterloo of ontario

[weak gazelle]

5. Loo

[quartz ridge]

trolling confirmed or data you trained on was from some PEY alumni

[weak gazelle]

wym UofT >>>>>>>> waterloo

check ranking

[quartz ridge]

bad data = bad gpt

[weak gazelle]

google

ask chatGPT

[timid tartan]

UofT is not top tier lol

[neon imp]

Sell more oil, fund tech initiatives with the increase in tax revenue

[lapis tide]

waterloo is the napoleon of uoft

[weak gazelle]

ok mr 50x faang

[timid tartan]

If you say to an American that you go to UofT, they will be like “University of Texas?”

[quartz ridge]

waterloo > ubc > u of t
nuff said

[fickle lotus]

Nah that's Kelowna

[weak gazelle]

least ubc student

[timid tartan]

Lmaoooo

[hot rapids]

I think they’re all good domestically, but Waterloo is the only one that matters in the states

[lapis tide]

domesticated students

[hot rapids]

Otherwise they’re treated as all equal to Americans

[ashen mason]

Saw on r/UTM that kid with 96 avg couldn't get into cs at wloo.

[neon imp]

Y’all make me feel sad I went to sask for school

[timid tartan]

Dw

Doesn’t matter in the long run

[weak gazelle]

avg school in sask >>> loo CS

[hot rapids]

Start building chips for China

[lapis tide]

mfs claiming mcgill invented deep learning

[timid tartan]

^^^

[lapis tide]

openai is the X of twitter

[timid tartan]

Loool

[quartz ridge]

anthropic > open ai tbh

[weak gazelle]

cohere is no where close

[quartz ridge]

its not that close

[timid tartan]

But isn’t Cohere younger than both of those

[quartz ridge]

like claude 2.0 will eliminate open ai

[lapis tide]

my pytorch transfomer with random weights is better than cohere

[weak gazelle]

after what u said about loo and uoft
not surprised

[quartz ridge]

anthropic has 200k context window

gpt 4 has 128k

more context = better

[azure junco]

i had a 98.5 average in high school and didn't get into cs at wloo

[weak gazelle]

how tf are u comparing context windows and LLM performance

[quartz ridge]

open ai is just leveraging nvidia gpus

[azure junco]

uoft takes in waterloo leftovers

[hot rapids]

I feel like those consumer facing llms will just be all marketing and brand cohesion for the layperson user

Maybe B2b Anthropic will dominate

[azure junco]

didn't uoft literally invent everything

[quartz ridge]

sam altman

will be dethroned soon

[azure junco]

insulin, deep learning, np completeness

[quartz ridge]

there will be a riot and he will be dethroned

then google deepmind

[azure junco]

we also have jimmy ba (xAI engineer) so we are better

[quartz ridge]

will pave the path

to the next generation of LLMs

[ashen mason]

How do u get in wloo 🤔

[quartz ridge]

he'll be dethroned again.

honestly i should just preorder the cybertruck

heard it comes with a gpt 4 subscription

[weak gazelle]

i mean

loo is good for swe industry

but

swe industry is over

lol

so loo is no longer good

[hot rapids]

Justice Institute t5

[quartz ridge]

well

AI engineerin is the future

if u know LLM stuff

u will rule the future

and u will be in high demand

[weak gazelle]

get into research

[hot rapids]

Cops be getting a fat paycheck from the local govt policies

[neon imp]

SWE industry is over? They’ve been saying that about the oil industry for how long?

[quartz ridge]

if u know how to fine tune

do prompt optimization

u will become a sought after commodity

in the next few years

[weak gazelle]

JoeVer

get into prompt engineering

or LLM research

do a masters

[quartz ridge]

huh??

u just need research exp

ppl get cohere with 0 exp

then u can snowball cohere into scale ai

or i see ppl

who start with like borealis AI

with RBC

and then go cohere

and then go like scale ai

so its def doable

u just need to get ur feet in the door

[lapis tide]

what if i just get one foot

[quartz ridge]

well then when the door closes ur done for

[neon imp]

Then you’re qualified for disability status

[hot rapids]

Use your third leg owo

[lapis tide]

still not cool yet

[quartz ridge]

i havent gone a single day

without asking chat gpt how he's doing

i been using him to the max

probably abusing to some extent

i throttled his api like daily

i wont even lie

[neon imp]

Best part about these new LLMs is that I get to chat with something without feeling judged

[quartz ridge]

i remember back when the throttling limit was super low

[worldly ridge]

NYC will sink, toronto will rise 😈

[quartz ridge]

i ask my llm to roleplay as a psychologist

and he calms me down, telling me that tc is not everything and that life is more than just getting into faang

[strange jay]

i use same differently

[hot rapids]

They reduced it from 50->40 recently

So annoying :(

Is this fella just saying random stuff to incite conflict

Just dropping random one liners

[neon imp]

What about middle of the pack?

😢

[ashen mason]

Better for what

Experience maybe

Recognition and wlb prob not

[quartz ridge]

you work at faang

bro's trolling

[fiery prism]

FAANG referral pls

[strange jay]

faang referral never work for me :/

does meta support intern referral

[quartz ridge]

big tech referrlas dont work in geenral

[strange jay]

seems like they dont allow for undergrad level

[fiery prism]

no

I remember someone got meta referral for intern position and meta refused to take the referral

[ashen mason]

They work in that a human will look at their resume

[strange jay]

they dont even give option to choose

ig they blocked now

[fossil field]

anybody into finance/quant and into technical anaylsis and like ml for assets wanna work on a project ive been working on with me?

if it works it means u make monies i already got the trading enivornment set up

[zenith eagle]

bro

they're LITERALLY LOOKIN FOR AN EXPERT IN ASTRAL PROJECTION LMAO

mkultra shit

we have come full circle

https://tenor.com/view/pooh-bear-surreal-winnie-the-pooh-dream-dreamy-gif-19945629

[timid tartan]

@storm stream

[storm stream]

You mf

[timid tartan]

[timid tartan]

Dude you are the only one here holding the key to Google positions

[fiery prism]

✅

isn't zon also FAANG

@timid tartan ❤️

[timid tartan]

No it's not

[earnest mortar]

why

[earnest mortar]

nah zon got kicked out of faang a while ago man, the second a stands for Airbnb now

[timid tartan]

Yep there you go

[thorny frost]

I applied to tech jobs and got no interviews and also applied to business jobs and got no interviews

Nobody wants me

FML

[neon imp]

Keep going!

[thorny frost]

Thanks you I appreciate it

[neon imp]

🌽

[hot rapids]

what about stats jobs s:o

[thorny frost]

don't they count as a tech job?

CS majors keep stealing my jobs

[hot rapids]

idk don't a lot of stats people work in insurance or actuary

[thorny frost]

All the stats/data jobs are being taken by the CS majors

[thorny frost]

Yeah a lot of them do

[drifting shore]

wagmi

[thorny frost]

Many of them work in the finance field

[hot rapids]

I think actuary work probably not impacted by CS ppl, but I guess you need certs and exp

[thorny frost]

I think being an actuary would be really boring

I heard a lot of people say how boring and difficult actuarial science is

It makes me want to steer clear of the field

I'm looking to apply to analyst jobs

like business/sales/marketing analyst

[hot rapids]

those business roles are very scarce imo

[thorny frost]

not for business analyst

they are plenty

[hot rapids]

I used to do internships for those roles in my first degree, and it's hard to find ft headcount compared to engineer

that's partly why I swapped to being a dev, bc there's just so many more jobs

even tho it's really bad rn

[thorny frost]

Yeah it's prolly the least technical role lol

I probably don't even need to have projects on my resume to apply

[hot rapids]

headcount for business roles at a tech company will suffer alongside the engineering roles, but there's a lot fewer spots for headcount

it's just in my opinion that PM roles are way harder to land than engineering roles. both are probs hard rn, but I would rather be job hunting for an engineering job

it's just pre hard, a diff kind of cracked

harder to practise than just braindead leetcode and projects

I think you also need a lot of campus or community involvement for the screen too

whereas engineering jobs, it's just projects and prev exp

harder and more out of your control to grind for

[fickle juniper]

There are a ton of sales roles, but they suck

[thorny frost]

They all kinda suck if you don't like dealing with people tbh

You also have to make dashboards

and present to managers and stakeholders

SWE is the best job for introverts

[timid tartan]

Yea based on my exp, PM is way harder to land

[thorny frost]

Do PMs have to know how to code?

[timid tartan]

The preparation alone is kinda non-standardized as they can ask you literally anything

[timid tartan]

Nope, not at all. But it's often considered as a big plus

[fickle juniper]

Nope

[thorny frost]

I see

[timid tartan]

And if you do, you'll most likely be assigned as a Technical PM (TPM)

PM is much more fun honestly

[fickle juniper]

U have to do this as a swe as well

[timid tartan]

I liked it lmao

[thorny frost]

dang

[timid tartan]

Yea but isn't it mostly limited to technical people tho

PM has to communicate with marketing, sales, operations, CX, etc all the time

[fickle juniper]

Yeah that’s true, not sure if that’s so different tho? Technical ppl are ppl too

[timid tartan]

Well

[lapis tide]

Congrats on pm

[fickle juniper]

I’d say there’s a big difference if u have to deal with external stakeholders

[timid tartan]

It's kinda different bcs like talking to non-tech people is kinda a skill on its own LOL

[thorny frost]

True that

[timid tartan]

And also

[thorny frost]

You have to speak in plain language

[timid tartan]

If anything goes wrong

PM is the first one to blame

PM is like the shitbucket

If something goes wrong, PM gets the shit

[thorny frost]

Same with marketers

[timid tartan]

If something goes right, PM does not get anything either

[thorny frost]

They're usually the first people to get laid off

and HR

[timid tartan]

PM doesn't get a praise for products that are launched well

But if it is failure, you'd better hide yourself

[thorny frost]

hahaha

[timid tartan]

Not to mention when the business wants millions of features so all you do is to say "Yes, sure" but then you'll never do it in reality

[thorny frost]

What's the difference between a product manager and a program manager?

[timid tartan]

Hmm hard to say

I think Program Manager is specific to Microsoft?

[thorny frost]

Not sure

[fickle juniper]

Well so is talking to technical ppl

[timid tartan]

True

Well maybe I emphasized that point bcs my background is tech lol

So PM was like a whole different world

[hot rapids]

product might be one specific product, program might be some kind of initiative involving many products

[thorny frost]

Technical people = socially awkward non-technical people = dumb as a rock

[fickle juniper]

True ig pm gotta be able to talk to both technical and non-technical audiences regularly

[fickle juniper]

Insulted everyone that exists with that one

[timid tartan]

Yes this exactly

Basically everyone

You have both business and tech people to handle

And those two are like enemies lmfao

[hot rapids]

All im saying it that if my life depended on finding an internship/job and given equal skill in both, I would bet on my ability to land swe/technical roles over PM ones

[thorny frost]

Sorry I didn't mean it

[timid tartan]

Tbh socially awkward != introverted

[thorny frost]

most people assume that they are the same

It's hard for them to understand the difference and they don't care to

like shyness != introverted

[timid tartan]

Precisely lol

[fickle juniper]

introverted != introverted

[thorny frost]

Every introvert is different ig

You can be shy and introverted or outgoing and introverted

[timid tartan]

Yea idk I'm introverted bcs I really hate small talks

[hot rapids]

I think I am pre introverted but I can fake extroversion in the work place

I just wanna chill and do shit on my own most of the times

[thorny frost]

I'm more of the outgoing type

I just find it emotionally draining to talk to people for a long time

[fickle juniper]

Same lol

[timid tartan]

Yea same but it depends on the topic for me

Like if someone wants to talk about games and shit with me then I'd just run away
But if you wanna debate about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem (for example), I'll talk with you for hours

[thorny frost]

I love the trolley problem

https://neal.fun/absurd-trolley-problems/

I used to play this

[timid tartan]

I love it too lmao that was my first exposure to philosophy

[lapis tide]

What do you do

[timid tartan]

Now? Depressed 24/7

[lapis tide]

thats not an option in the trolley problem

[timid tartan]

Oh I didn't know that you were talking about the trolley problem

[lapis tide]

i am talking about the trolley problem

[timid tartan]

I'd let it be regardless of who and how many the trolley hits

(Yes, not a utilitarian)

[lapis tide]

what if its heading towards 1 person and you can switch it to head towards an empty track

[timid tartan]

I don't think that's a trolley problem then

That won't be a dillemma, will it?

[lapis tide]

it's a dilemma to me

[timid tartan]

Why

[lapis tide]

maybe theres a businessman doing important business

and he'll be late if you switch it

[timid tartan]

Bcs that 1 person is someone you wanna kill?

[lapis tide]

and he is the backbone of our economy

[timid tartan]

🤔

[timid tartan]

Since when Canada has economy tho

We don't even have jobs

[lapis tide]

yeah its just that one guy

[timid tartan]

[timid tartan]

Goddamn the level 4 lmaooooo

[thorny frost]

Ye they get more and more ridiculous lol

[weak gazelle]

Mix of both

Non technical ppl in tech usually richer than technical ppl in tech

[weak gazelle]

This is fun lol

[thorny frost]

I love it

[timid tartan]

So janitors are richer than Staff SWEs?

[fiery prism]

fact

I rather be Cleaning Engineer than Software Engineer

CE @ Google

[hot rapids]

Get paid bank to janitor code debt

[tall geyser]

bit of a shot in the dark, but has anyone here done paypal technical? for vancouver location

[lapis tide]

congrats on paypal

[timid tartan]

@storm stream pls welcome ur new friend to Google

[fiery prism]

!process Google offer (Cleaning Engineer)

[karmic monolith]

You can only use this command in 2022_winter_intern_process, 2022_summer_intern_process, 2022_grad_process, 2022_fall_intern_process, 2023_summer_intern_process, 2024_summer_intern_process, 2023_winter_intern_process, 2023_fall_intern_process, 2023_grad_process, 2024_grad_process

[fiery prism]

Oops

Mb

[lapis tide]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-face-typing-very-fast-gif-24785119

[storm stream]

Yo bro hit me up on google workspace 😭

[timid tartan]

[fiery prism]

do you use gmail or outlook at google

[storm stream]

Google everything bro

[stable ravine]

yahoo mail

[fiery prism]

I use wechat

[fickle juniper]

Wow congrats! Timeline?

[fiery prism]

oa at 8 (cleaning toilets) -> interview at 9pm -> offer at 10pm

[timid tartan]

What is even the OA

Cleaning virtual toilets on your desktop?

[fiery prism]

record you cleaning your toilet

my toilet was so clean that they had to send me the interview right after

[fickle juniper]

Damn I gotta get better at cleaning toilets, always fail that part

[lapis tide]

resume?

[fiery prism]

I got u

[lapis tide]

you're resume?

full name janitor resume?

[fickle juniper]

This is my portfolio: https://www.google.com/search?q=clean+bathrooms&sca_esv=586845846&rlz=1C9BKJA_enCA855CA855&hl=en-US&tbm=isch&source=lnms

[timid tartan]

Rejected -- no FAANG internships

[fiery prism]

[lapis tide]

every pic with a human is a woman lmao

[thorny frost]

💀

[lapis tide]

found a dude

[thorny frost]

are you sure that's a dude?

[lapis tide]

100% certain

[thorny frost]

hmm

[fickle juniper]

Yea ik that guy irl, he’s at OpenAI as Chief Janitor

[lapis tide]

you know ilya personally?

[hollow lake]

i failed palantir too dw

[thorny frost]

it's the most prestigious role besides CEO

[weak gazelle]

you need to be at least a third as cracked as Steven to have a chance at real SWE job

[timid tartan]

Who is Steven

[fiery prism]

who is steven

[timid tartan]

^

[hot rapids]

a cool fella

[fiery prism]

prolly steven he

[graceful oyster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMhiHrL7rPE

[analog current]

what does mog mnean?

[weak gazelle]

SHL

Search on Google “Steven UofT 5xFAANG LinkedIn”

[timid tartan]

[analog current]

guys

is this a good company idea

its a decentralized gas station that uses machine learning and AI to get the proper fuel for ur car

it will use crypto for transactions

moving more into web 3.0

[teal remnant]

Good idea where can I invest

[fickle juniper]

U had me at

uses machine learning and AI
How can I invest?

[lapis tide]

you had me at gas station

[fickle juniper]

600k CAD, which is 74k USD

[fickle juniper]

Had me at

guys

[lapis tide]

🥵

[analog current]

does any1 here know of a company named uipath?

if so

what skills did they need to build their software

is it web dev? or is that purley websites

[storm stream]

why would you work there, they're trying to make nocode a thing and put us out of our jobs

😭

[vivid fiber]

This is inaccurate

[vivid fiber]

Yup

[vivid fiber]

Look at their job postings and see what skills they look for

Also try googling "UIPath Tech Stack"

[timid tartan]

Well that’s probably only if you’re a webdev though

[analog current]

How

They just automate stuff

They dont build websites or mobile apps

[analog current]

Wouls creating a company like uioath fall under web dev skills

Or what

[sly kindle]

Unemployment rate boutta hit 6%!

[analog current]

Is that 6 factorial?

So then thats 6x5x4x3x2x1

Thats a huge number 😨

[teal remnant]

Yes it is

[fallen mason]

Canada is so overrated

why tf are mfs getting excited over $25/hr

[quartz ridge]

yo those who have done internships in US, do we need J-1 or TN visa or do both work?

[boreal sentinel]

i rmbr for my first coop i was so hyped i was making 21/hr

i was like "wow im above average for coop earnings in cs 😎 "

my 2nd coop i told my manager i was making double and he burst into laughter

[lapis tide]

congrats on job

[quartz ridge]

ty man

so TN cant work for intern at all?

like intern is exclusively J1

[timid tartan]

Bcs that's high in Canada

[quartz ridge]

Is that the case or

[timid tartan]

Nah TN is only for full time non-internship work AFAIK

[fickle juniper]

One of the requirements of a TN for swe is that u have a relevant degree

[fickle juniper]

That’s less than the min wage in Seattle 💀

[fallen mason]

ur joking

there’s no way

holy shit 20usd/hr in seattle

30 mins south and I could’ve been making double

[fickle juniper]

That’s valid

Pretty extreme case tho

Also u could just be Canadian and work in the US, u still have access to Canadian health care

[lapis tide]

you dont inherit debt

[fickle juniper]

Damn that’s very good of u

U should pay for my taxes too

Can u send me ur contact info so I can reach out to u when u have enough money to pay my taxes LOL

[quartz ridge]

This is a common misconception, you just need to be doing what qualifies as “professional exp”- but just wondering if companies will actually sponsor this if they don’t sponsor J1

[hot rapids]

Some companies do, like Tesla

They will use the manager’s degree to sponsor your TN

[neon imp]

I’m curious about the sponsorship stuff, do you guys have to say that y’all don’t have the legal right to work when asked?

I’m a dual cit so idk how it works for people needing sponsorship

[quartz ridge]

Yeah I heard the same

[strange jay]

does anyone know interview process with citi

in ssauga

[storm stream]

How the heck does that work

[fickle juniper]

Oh interesting, ik for Tesla they will sponsor u with a category different from software engineering and so may not require a completed degree, but afaik for swe u need a degree

[fickle juniper]

Pretty sure its not a misconception cuz I was talking about the swe category specifically, unless u have some other way in mind. I can’t speak to the other categories

[broken whale]

When did u apply if i may ask?

[strange jay]

Prob mid november

Acc nov 15

[broken whale]

Icic

Intern?

[turbid crater]

I have a friend who got reached like yesterday

Do interns work on interesting stuff there ?
I’m so wary with banks, they usually pay well but the work is just 🤡

[sleek echo]

Hey people from canada. Just wondering what the situation is like for international students there compared to the us? would be extremely grateful

do employers reject international students?

[zinc knot]

Awful

It is hell

[sleek echo]

really? i am seriously considering moving to canada...