canada

[zenith eagle]

was that in go?

waht team were u on

[candid oxide]

Been saying this

[zenith eagle]

i actually like studying cs and getting hands on with the theory

but swe jobs are so

dull

[timid tartan]

Just pure algorithms

[timid tartan]

Yep all in Go

[zenith eagle]

like makes me wonder why i got the degree

what team in cb tho?

[timid tartan]

Infra security

So yea security team technically

[zenith eagle]

lucky mfer

[timid tartan]

Oh and multithreading too

Go is surprisingly really convenient to spin up threads and doing stuff with it

[magic bane]

ECE is like CS with less theory

[zenith eagle]

wish i knew that in hs i was under the impression it was all hardware

[timid tartan]

Lmao yea definitely

[magic bane]

yeah there's quite a bit of non software related courses lol

[zenith eagle]

u think zon will have anything like that?

[magic bane]

guess its the trade off

in first year eng theres only one coding course, and second year 3 coding courses

so only in third year you'll be ready to find SWE internships

unless u do a lot of resume padding urself

[timid tartan]

My team at AWS works on low level database + networking

The codebase is full of database internal stuff which is really cool

[zenith eagle]

this fucker

WHY ARE U DOOOMIN

U GOT THE JACKPOT MAN

[timid tartan]

[zenith eagle]

god this guy

[candid oxide]

😭😭

[zenith eagle]

i would commit bloody murder for a non soydev job

please i wanna use my degree i wanna use the stuff i've had to learn over the past 5 years pls pls

[candid oxide]

that’s actually what I tell some interviewers when they ask me why I want to work there

[timid tartan]

I mean I might get pip’ed bcs I barely know anything about low level DB

[timid tartan]

There are def many of such teams at AWS lol

[analog current]

Maybe i should just be a web dev

😔

[placid dawn]

u guys ever ask for letters of recommendation at the end of internships

[worldly ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-neutron-nicktoons-hugh-neutron-cartoon-sit-down-gif-16726232

[grave quest]

id jump off you

[worldly ridge]

id jump on you

[grave quest]

https://tenor.com/view/hops-bed-bounce-kid-ouch-gif-12183900

[storm stream]

No what would be the point

[timid tartan]

Huh lmao

Nobody has ever requested for that

But there's no high-paying company that has chill work env

[weak gazelle]

no you'd not lmao

[timid tartan]

Maybe different priority which is fine tbh. Nothing wrong with that

[lapis tide]

i think not 90% of people would

[fossil field]

if you havent worked in that type of environment you really cant have an opinion on it

once u get in there ur whole ideology changes lol

[timid tartan]

^^^

Sorry but Canada is way too expensive to have that mindset

Even 200k here is not yet a luxury lol

[fossil field]

urrr yes it is, especially if ur single/have a partner and no kids

if not then you are just really really, really bad at managing ur money

[timid tartan]

Not with the absurd house prices, taxes, etc

[fossil field]

you dont have to buy a house

[timid tartan]

Huh

[fossil field]

200k i would be living like a king

already living pretty good with the amount i make and its sub 100k

[timid tartan]

I guess it depends whether you're looking at the short-term benefits or the long-term goals

[fossil field]

i just know 200k is a pretty good amount if you dont got dependents

[timid tartan]

Yeah of course you can live comfortably but "luxury" is an entirely different ball game

[fossil field]

and dont plan on buying a house cause realestate is a scam in canada

[candid oxide]

nah 200k is poverty 800k or bust

[fossil field]

it is luxury lol

200k is a lot man

[lapis tide]

1M cash or bust

[fossil field]

even in toronto

[candid oxide]

2m ng or bust

[timid tartan]

In theory yeah

In practice...idk, I'm struggling to think that way

[candid oxide]

200k Canada is a lot lol

My friend turned down 260k Bay Area for stripe Toronto which is sub 200k

[fossil field]

yea they prolly just have bad spending habits

[lapis tide]

260k bay where

[timid tartan]

It's not really about spending

It's more like I'm trying to save as much as possible lol

[zenith eagle]

i mean id love to live in a small town but it's gotta not be boring, and most small towns are. heck even ottawa is. and the winters are undeniable fact and depressing and i wanna be active and happy which involves outdoor activies and outside of bc and alberta no good skiing and outdoor sport in the winters

[candid oxide]

unicorn not gonan say cuz they don’t hire lot

but it’s a decently well known unicorn

[zenith eagle]

i'd be ok if we're like australia and it's bright and sunny i'd live in the middle of nowhere

[candid oxide]

greylock company

[timid tartan]

i wanna be active and happy which involves outdoor

Vancouver then lmao

[zenith eagle]

no lmao

vancouver is a cop out every fucking vancouverite iv'e asked has never been skiing

wtf man

[timid tartan]

[zenith eagle]

blackcomb is right there3

[timid tartan]

Tbh I love Vancouver for the nature and outdoor but living cost is absurd

[fossil field]

oh they are definetly skiing if u know what i mean❄️

[timid tartan]

@zenith eagle now you see why I'm still applying even with AWS offer on hand right

[fossil field]

aint no way im gonna living in a small place with no night life

[timid tartan]

No

[fossil field]

raves but yea

[zenith eagle]

do u even ski

[timid tartan]

I've never even tried alcohol or wine or whatever

[zenith eagle]

or touch grass

brah

[timid tartan]

No

I can't afford that lol

[fossil field]

i ski every weekend

[timid tartan]

Tf

[fossil field]

iykwim

[zenith eagle]

this mfer is a teetotler and he's afraid of vancouver being boring

[fossil field]

fuck that

[lapis tide]

why

[candid oxide]

🤣🤣🤣

[timid tartan]

Not boring dude

Def not

Just expensive

[fossil field]

come to toronto i will take you to techno raves and youll love this city

[timid tartan]

Unaffordable lol

Sure but other than stripe they're not hiring new grads IIRC

Well Stripe is already done but yeah

Not sure

[lapis tide]

azure

[timid tartan]

I'll think about it later

[fossil field]

r u guys srs lol just get a job first, being in school is so different than real world

get ur experience first

be humble first and get ur foot in the door

[timid tartan]

I'll probably leave Canada for good by that time anyway

Soon yes

[fossil field]

so ur not still

[timid tartan]

I still have a month left in school

[fossil field]

graduated yet?

yea

[timid tartan]

No

Still have a month left of school

[fossil field]

so yea get some experience and get in the real world and then make ur decisions based on that

[timid tartan]

Not really LMAO

Nothing to do with delayed

I know that

But I don't care

[lapis tide]

😔

[fossil field]

that would be mad crazy i would def have back up options

[timid tartan]

If I get delayed then I'll just decline it altogether

And not going back here

I have a backup plan back home

Not worth it I think, idk

[fossil field]

yea not the brightest in the room

get that experience brotha majority of new grads not finding jobs especially in canada

[timid tartan]

?

Lmao what

[fossil field]

right now is not the time to be picky, maybe in 1-3 years sure

[timid tartan]

Lol man I'm not planing to be SWE forever

On the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter too much

[fossil field]

then what do u plan on being?

[lapis tide]

hwe

[timid tartan]

Takeover my dad's business in a few years

[fossil field]

sure but like thats the future and you gotta get ur foot in the door

[timid tartan]

I'm just waiting till he wants to retire

Then I'll leave SWE

[weak gazelle]

SWE is not the future

lmfao

[zenith eagle]

him

ez

jk

[fossil field]

wut i didnt say that

[zenith eagle]

hire me tho

[lapis tide]

the future is hwe

[weak gazelle]

sorry

[fossil field]

just guys dont be picky or youll be a year down the road and be like why am i still jobless

get ur foot in the door and from there you can grow

[candid oxide]

fuck instructions unclear I only got everything except my foot in the door

[timid tartan]

It's not really about being picky for me lmao

I just have a different path

Obviously if I were to climb the corp ladder, any job is better than nothing

[lapis tide]

change your mf nickname back to depression

[drifting shore]

working is optional for him

lol

[timid tartan]

It's already that rn

[lapis tide]

no

[timid tartan]

Huh

[lapis tide]

it's backtodepression rn

change it back to depression

[timid tartan]

LMAO

Nah the space looks ugly

[lapis tide]

no

change it back to depression

[timid tartan]

[eager haven]

did you get this email before getting oa?

I got this but no oa

emailed them twice no response

[timid tartan]

No I think this is true

Yes

That's correct lol

Unfortunately I can't complain about this

And I choose to ignore my mental health a bit for now

Ofc

Higher salary comes with higher responsibility

That's kinda a common sense tbh

It's a tradeoff at the end of the day

I'm quite old so my priority is building as much capital as possible

That's team dependent

My team seems to be really great

Yes it is

AWS culture is team dependent

Just ask around and you'll see

Uh idk man lmao

[strange jay]

is getting oa a matter of luck for aws?

[timid tartan]

I'm too old to think about that kind of shit

I just need my capital

[timid tartan]

Idk

[strange jay]

ic

[timid tartan]

I've been doing this for a couple of years anyway so I should be able to handle it

[strange jay]

idk van office seem to release oas since very recent

not sure how many ppl get oa tho

[lapis tide]

isnt it all canadian sites

[timid tartan]

I know

It's fine lmao

[drifting shore]

yea i was invited to the event before oa

[timid tartan]

I'd rather do that than having 80k and living under a tent

[eager haven]

was it the same email that said you'll get a hackerrank link

because wtf do I do now

its been like 2 weeks and they aint responding

[drifting shore]

they didnt even say that ill get a hackerrank

the recruiter just said that i was invited to the event

[drifting shore]

email the recruiter

[eager haven]

I did twice

lol

[drifting shore]

my recruiter replied within 2 days

[eager haven]

was it Carsen McBride?

[drifting shore]

no

[lapis tide]

maybe you dont

[eager haven]

DMed

[timid tartan]

Yea not talking merely about survival

[lapis tide]

retirement

5M NW by 25

[timid tartan]

I'm trying to save at least ~8k / month

[lapis tide]

bros making more than 8k/month

[strange jay]

8k?

[candid oxide]

[strange jay]

damn

[candid oxide]

why though

[lapis tide]

5M NW by 25

[lost lark]

In canada? 😂😂😂😂😂

[ashen mason]

Ya money is worth less when you older. Spend it all now

[timid tartan]

Yea lol

Well ok 7500-8000

[lapis tide]

500 delta

wow

[strange jay]

cracked

[lost lark]

Buddy have you seen the tax rate

[timid tartan]

I have

I know the tax lol

[weak gazelle]

AWS pays him like 450k NG lol

[timid tartan]

Tf

[weak gazelle]

congrats on 1M TC

[lost lark]

So you know youre going to be losing 40% of that to taxes

😂😂😂

[timid tartan]

Yes

[ashen mason]

What's ur tc

[timid tartan]

~170k total bcs I am a return

[lost lark]

Then rent/mortgage , car note, insurance etc

[timid tartan]

No car

[strange jay]

wth

for zon?

[timid tartan]

Yes

[lost lark]

Ok that makes things easier

[lapis tide]

inv

[timid tartan]

No car, no party, no entertainment

[strange jay]

sigma

[ashen mason]

Cool ya u can save half that at least 👍

[lapis tide]

delta

[timid tartan]

Hopefully yeah

Hmm

[strange jay]

food bank is available

[lapis tide]

11 months/year

[lost lark]

If hes living at home then its possible

[timid tartan]

Yes

[timid tartan]

Nahhhh I don't

But I am planning to rent a room

Not apartment

Apartment is too expensive

[lost lark]

Thatll set u back at least a band a month

[candid oxide]

wtf

but why

[lapis tide]

why you tryna save

[weak gazelle]

bro 170k is not all cash

[timid tartan]

Yeah

[lapis tide]

for steven it is

[timid tartan]

~165k of that is cash

[drifting shore]

buy house

[weak gazelle]

tf

[timid tartan]

Nah there's like 5k stock

[lapis tide]

congrats on amzn

[weak gazelle]

congrats on 120k

[timid tartan]

That 170k already includes relo

Yea I already calculated everything lol

[weak gazelle]

guys 100k after tax is still 100k more than u

💀

[timid tartan]

But yea if I can find a room for like ~1500 then I might be able to hit my target

[timid tartan]

Just that quality of life will be garbage

[lost lark]

😭

[lapis tide]

food bank

roommate bank

pip bank

go to the money bank

[timid tartan]

Ye lmao

That's why I gotta be extremely strict on spending

No going out or whatever

[lapis tide]

i think you should spend freely

[timid tartan]

25 soon

[steel escarp]

@safe light oh ur in amazon as well right? Iirc toronto?

[timid tartan]

Yea I told you

I'm old

Bruh 25 is so late lmao

[strange jay]

old means 50

[timid tartan]

25 as an NG is like

[steel escarp]

Shut up kid. Youre younger than me

[timid tartan]

Mf

[timid tartan]

We're about the same age

[steel escarp]

Respect the elder

[timid tartan]

Smh

[steel escarp]

Well doesnt change the fact that im older than u

Pretty good

Good wlb and decent vibe

[strange jay]

i want zon

[lapis tide]

i need job

[timid tartan]

Uh huh don't forget my referral

I already referred you there

[steel escarp]

Anytime

[timid tartan]

[timid tartan]

Mf living in a mansion while I'm living with 10 roommates

[steel escarp]

Wow ur laughing at me yesterday

[timid tartan]

Wdym

[steel escarp]

And now ur crying wtf

[timid tartan]

Laughing what

Huh

Yea

That one sucks

[steel escarp]

U were like are u living in a box or wut

[timid tartan]

Yeah I already know this

But there's no other way lol

[strange jay]

markham-downtown not too bad

[steel escarp]

Asana > zon lol idk

[zinc knot]

Asana>>Zon

[steel escarp]

Ye

[lapis tide]

bro tryna flex asana

[strange jay]

isnt zon giving out oas until feb/mar

[lapis tide]

not for me

never

[strange jay]

my friend got zon oa in mid feb last yr

so idk

[lapis tide]

he is the ceo

[strange jay]

typically bad sign

[steel escarp]

ceo can prob lose half of his stock and hes still a billionaire lol

iirc ceo of wework sold most of his stock before the ship shrink

[lapis tide]

id love to experience that

[steel escarp]

my friend told me they mostly pip sde1

👀

is it better for sde2?

I feel like you just need to survive in banana a year to vest the sign on and stock

then just leave lol

i thought cash wise your first year TC is the highest

let say the stock price remains the same in all of your 4 years

[timid tartan]

Lol just gonna do my best

[candid oxide]

Don’t they give cash bonus to make up for back vested stock

[timid tartan]

Whatever happens, happens

[steel escarp]

👀

do you see yourself at amazon for the next couple of years?

lol is it that bad?

[timid tartan]

I mean most of the time the PIP does make sense tho right

Ofc there are cases where the PIP is "unfair"

But generally speaking doesn't it make sense to trim the underperformers lol

Yeah stack ranked

So relative comparison

So the bottom x% is the underperformers

Right?

Bcs of the stack ranking?

[steel escarp]

let the kid cook 🤣

steven needs to know the pip

[timid tartan]

Oh well

I mean at that point it's outside of my control

[steel escarp]

need to suck hard man lol

[timid tartan]

Yea if that happens then let it be honestly

I don't mind

Yea I've heard of this

[candid oxide]

OE at Amazon to collect pay while getting pipped

new strat

[timid tartan]

If I get pip'ed then I'll just go back home

Otherwise stay for a couple years (maybe)

[steel escarp]

i'm curious what if you leave before they pip you? 👀

I thought amazon has like a 6 months safe when you just start

[eternal fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-falling-building-fall-woodz-gif-24715383

[ashen mason]

This for zon? That is ass

What's base then

[candid oxide]

They have cash bonus for y1/y2 to make up for the 5/15/40/40 vesting

[timid tartan]

Idk why your exp is like this tho..my team had an outing for the whole day (hiking, BBQ party, etc) and my manager even told the on-call guy to forget about it and just enjoy the outing lmfao

[ashen mason]

Cash bonus is not every year?

[candid oxide]

I meant a signing bonus that’s over 2y

[lavish void]

[candid oxide]

[ashen mason]

So what does y1 TC breakdown look like for zon? G is like 115k base. 50k stonks vesting, 9k relo, 17k cash bonus. signing bonus too if ur really smart 🤔

[lavish void]

Zon base 113k y1 47k bonus 5%*110k stock

[timid tartan]

Also 6,800 USD relo

[lavish void]

welp im not getting that

[timid tartan]

👀

Google wins tho bcs of free food

I need that

[lavish void]

Fax

[candid oxide]

I love free food

gonna miss it

[timid tartan]

My username used to be “Companies With Free Food Simp”

[drifting shore]

banana is free food

[timid tartan]

[lavish void]

no more bananas

I like the free mocha/hot chocolate though

[lapis tide]

change it back to that

[timid tartan]

[ashen mason]

Is it true zon only give 🍌

[lucid berry]

no, they give nothing except free coffee

[ashen mason]

dub

[zenith eagle]

only in seattle hq i'm afraid

not in van so rip

afaik u get a measly $150 yearly discount on amazon.ca/.com as well

why they so miserly man, sure u could argue interest rates but it was a thing even during LIRP years

[analog current]

I see lots of job openings on linkedin, indeed, and other sites

How can everyone be struggling to find a job but at the same time there is so many job openings?

Can someone explain this to me ol,

[zenith eagle]

@analog current

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeZO2cmoYqw

[stable ravine]

new grad?

[analog current]

Im seocnd year

[analog current]

Ima watch this thanks

Is anyone here a mobile dev

[worldly ridge]

@analog current https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-c8tIRK3iM

[analog current]

Recession

Ur a web dev right

Can i ask u in dm rq

[zenith eagle]

i love how the arab english accent sounds

i also love how they say B for P since P doesn't exist in arabic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HXSDSgs75g

batariq ibn al-ba'atman

i've been dying laughing reading the comment section of this video for the past day and a half

mashallah, now let's see Baul al-Eyn's khatt

[tawny zephyr]

for fun

[analog current]

Is it good pay

Or no jops

[tawny zephyr]

its more niche

its def not a useless thing to know

[tawny zephyr]

it pays off if ur trying to work at apple

and ur good at swift

[analog current]

what abt kotlin

[worldly ridge]

@analog current ur boy richard nixon died

why are all ur ghouls dying lil bro

[analog current]

so did

kissinger

[worldly ridge]

why did i said nixon

i meant kissinger

💀

[analog current]

💀

[eternal fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-robot-gif-5733980

https://tenor.com/view/goodnight-punpun-oyasumi-punpun-punpun-onodera-lico-licocore-gif-23014250

[zenith eagle]

gm frens

Rise and grind

That's actually horrifying

The fact that boiling lobsters alive is a well established practice is so abhorrently inhumane

[eternal fossil]

i agree

say no more bro

either way, heres a self deprecating meme to replace the one deleted

https://tenor.com/view/sadness-simpsons-gif-12578198

[zenith eagle]

On a related note, do crustaceans freak anyone else out or only me?

Crabs lobster shrimp crawfish etc

They just

Idk they give me the creeps in a unique way unlike anything else

[eternal fossil]

if u sit and watch them move around then yeah sure

[zenith eagle]

^

Have you seen a literal crabs in a bucket?

Just makes my skin run

[eternal fossil]

dont u mean crawl

[zenith eagle]

Apparently evolution converges to crustaceans, 4 independent times evolution has led to crustaceans

[fickle juniper]

It freaks me out how delicious they are

[stable ravine]

I don’t even have the energy to doom

https://tenor.com/view/le-sad-gif-18514250

[zenith eagle]

Why are you playing doom when you should be dooming

[eternal fossil]

i felt this heavily

[fickle juniper]

@candid oxide what is ur plan to escape from crud

[candid oxide]

Team match

If I end up in crud after team match I will probably commit some bad deeds

[fickle juniper]

Ohh gl

Bbg is Bloomberg?

[candid oxide]

ya

[fickle juniper]

Ohh hopefully ig

[weak gazelle]

Congrats on blackberry

[candid oxide]

I can’t take crud anymore 😭

[candid oxide]

ty I can’t wait to make the blackberry flip 12

[eternal fossil]

what did they have you doing before damn

im over here escaping low level

[fickle juniper]

In my circles it’s referred to as goatberry

[eternal fossil]

fuck low level

[candid oxide]

damn u don’t like?

[eternal fossil]

its not that i dont like its just that they demand ridiculous hours for measly pay

unless if ure smart af you end up at apple or somewhere else

[candid oxide]

maybe not thaaat low level

[eternal fossil]

i would love something NOT C

tbh

[candid oxide]

idk I’m kinda sick of like making the same database models same api endpoints etc

[eternal fossil]

really??

what kind of work you looking for then

[fickle juniper]

That is most of saas backend

[candid oxide]

yeah I know 😭

[candid oxide]

Idk tbh I just know I wanna try other stuff

[eternal fossil]

honestly ive tried systems

its fun and all

[fickle juniper]

Are u looking for more data infra? Or low-level systems stuff

[eternal fossil]

but pay again is ass

[candid oxide]

systems sounds interesting tbh

[eternal fossil]

systems is definitely new things every few months and its lovely

but you dont get flexibility and the pay that back end folks do

[candid oxide]

I did sre over the summer and just wrote config files for 3 months straight

[fickle juniper]

I think there are fewer systems jobs

[candid oxide]

[eternal fossil]

absolutely this

and the competition is fierce lol

[fickle juniper]

But some of the highest paying also

[eternal fossil]

at the right companies yes

[candid oxide]

[eternal fossil]

i wish to have problems like you

where i have the option to actually choose what i want to work on

[candid oxide]

bro didn’t u not want to move 😭

[eternal fossil]

some of us just dying to get work PERIOD MAN

[fickle juniper]

CRUD tho can involve a lot of things in addition to just writing endpoints on top of db models

[eternal fossil]

LOL yes

[eternal fossil]

ya

my friend at microsoft is loving it

does endpoints and shit

and makes a lot of money

[candid oxide]

what else

[eternal fossil]

newer backend apps are involving AI

so you can pivot into that

[candid oxide]

fuck I went from frontend to full stack to backend crud there’s no escape

[lapis tide]

crud vector db instead of normal db

[fickle juniper]

Well I’m a backend swe and there’s a lot more involved in a system than just endpoints + db models

[candid oxide]

Yeah I guess mayeb u get to touch on more things but unironically I don’t think I’ve touched anything ooutside endpoints + db and it’s driving me mad

[fickle juniper]

Especially if u are working with a lot of scale

[candid oxide]

Ye I think scaling is cool work

never really got to do much

[fickle juniper]

Ah okay that would get boring quick

[candid oxide]

ya I took sre to try and learn smth else then I ended up writing terraform for a whole internship

[fickle juniper]

Yeah I would not want to do sre

Just sounds painful 💀

[candid oxide]

😭

I almost decided to jsut go with frontend forever at some point 2 yrs ago

[lapis tide]

nothing wrong with that

[fickle juniper]

I might get flamed for this but I think frontend is easier at early career than backend

[lapis tide]

why might you get flamed

[fickle juniper]

Some folks might take this as I’m saying that backend is superior

[candid oxide]

There isn’t my friend decided to stick to frontend and he got some cracked ass offers

I just didn’t want to pigeonhole

Or feel like I was gonna get pigeonholed

[fickle juniper]

I think it’s good to try a lot of things while u can

[candid oxide]

Turned down a frontend offer from a decently big tech company paying usd in Canada to do full stack instead at random startup

[fickle juniper]

What company pays usd in Canada?

[candid oxide]

in an attempt to escape

[lapis tide]

how to get offers

in order to turn them down

[candid oxide]

hm idk if they still do it but at the time I turned down Palo Alto networks they paid usd in Canada

[fickle juniper]

Damn didn’t know that

[candid oxide]

Thsi was before market went shit

[candid oxide]

I know some other companies that did it too but stopped

[eternal fossil]

the more low level you go the more hours youll end up putting into random shit

[candid oxide]

Realized they can just pay Canadians less since no competition

[eternal fossil]

i had my senior dev at blackberry pull weird hours sometimes 10 a day to work on releases

[fickle juniper]

🇨🇦 moment

[eternal fossil]

canoment

wow leetcode finalyl fixed their timer in their UI

holy shit lol what an improvement

my god was this a life changing fix

[fickle juniper]

Haven’t LCed in so long, I should probably get back into it

[candid oxide]

I stopped doing everything for like 2 months to grind lc and interviews

9-5 job 5:30-12:30 grind

[fickle juniper]

Wtf

How do u do 7hrs of LC

[candid oxide]

I also read through ostep a couple times

And a networking book

[fickle juniper]

Jesus

[candid oxide]

At least like an hour of tiktok

I uninstalled all video games

Stopped going to gym

[lapis tide]

im jim

[fickle juniper]

Reading thru ostep a couple times

Is insane

[candid oxide]

[weak gazelle]

which

[fickle juniper]

Did ostep help?

[candid oxide]

didn’t get like any other interviews market is so bad

[lapis tide]

whats current

[candid oxide]

Yeah like 2 of them asked os stuff

[fickle juniper]

U did rly well with bbg tho obvy

[stable ravine]

Isn’t scaling a pain in the ass?

[lapis tide]

🤣

[candid oxide]

Bro I wouldn’t know I’m monkey crud

[fickle juniper]

Well our jobs would be extremely easy if we didn’t have to worry about scale

[weak gazelle]

congrats on quant @candid oxide

[lapis tide]

speak for you'reself

[fickle juniper]

O

Damn well that sucks

Ig my job would be extremely ez if I didn’t have to worry about scale

[weak gazelle]

i made 1200% on GME calls today

[stable ravine]

Scaling is responsibility of infra+db team?

[weak gazelle]

jk i wish

i only made 400%

[stable ravine]

With respect to db**

[lapis tide]

I made 1200% on shorting gme calls today

[candid oxide]

bro the most embarrassing thing is

I sold index funds

To buy gme

During that time

💀💀💀

I sold like 6k of VFV

[stable ravine]

What do u work on?

[weak gazelle]

least quant moment

[lapis tide]

If you sold gme at the right time

[fickle juniper]

Well at my company each team is responsible for their own services, including considering scale

[candid oxide]

fuuuck gme

[fickle juniper]

I work on backend distributed systems

[candid oxide]

Now I’m on trading restrictions so I can’t actually make stupid trades anymore

[stable ravine]

Services as in microservices?

[lapis tide]

Macro

[stable ravine]

Which org?

[weak gazelle]

GME is based lol

[fickle juniper]

I don’t mean microservices in this case, but we do have a microservices architecture

[fickle juniper]

Product

[lapis tide]

Man i love independently deployable units

[stable ravine]

There’s a org named product?

[weak gazelle]

if only

[candid oxide]

[lapis tide]

Yes

[teal remnant]

Yes

[stable ravine]

How do you scale monolith?

[lapis tide]

Distributed monolith

Vertically

[stable ravine]

[lapis tide]

Its a thing

Not a good thing

[teal remnant]

How popular is spring boot these days

[stable ravine]

Brah isn’t it waste of resources

[lapis tide]

It does scale it

[candid oxide]

I think it’s still liek the most used framework for backend

In terms of raw numbers

[teal remnant]

Yeah right solve scaling issue with node js

Don’t know how tho

[stable ravine]

Hmmm

[fickle juniper]

I mean u can definitely scale a monolith, it’s typically less conducive to horizontal scaling tho

[stable ravine]

Yeah my bad

[candid oxide]

If u rly want to know how to scale monolith I think Shopify engineering blog has some good posts

[lapis tide]

Get a bigger cpu

[stable ravine]

What about availability

[lapis tide]

Easy

Ensure you dont turn your server off

[stable ravine]

Bro found a way for 100% uptime

[lapis tide]

have more instances of the monolith behind a load 🅱️alancer

[candid oxide]

Bro u guys ever use consul

[fickle juniper]

Someone in another server actually linked these

• https://shopify.engineering/deconstructing-monolith-designing-software-maximizes-developer-productivity
• https://shopify.engineering/shopify-monolith
• https://www.primevideotech.com/video-streaming/scaling-up-the-prime-video-audio-video-monitoring-service-and-reducing-costs-by-90 (Interesting case where moving from microservices to monolith saved Amazon prime video 90% of the costs and actually help them scale)

[lapis tide]

Microservices overrated

[candid oxide]

Yeah I’ve read through the Shopify ones

[stable ravine]

Thanks for the links

[candid oxide]

I’ve worked on rails a bunch and I never had to deal with the problems bur then I was worried I would get asked 😭😭

Engineering blogs actually good resource to learn with

[stable ravine]

I have seen this lol

The aws one

[vivid fiber]

The Amazon article is lowk bad tho

Not bcuz moving to a monolith is bad

But bcuz they wer just stupid

Like their initial architecture was horrible

[vivid fiber]

Yeah

But idt they're useless

Microservices have value

[vivid fiber]

You can scale a monolith

[fickle juniper]

Oh interestingly the zon article is the only one on the list I didn't read 😅, I just copied this from another server

[candid oxide]

how u get masters alr, is it same school as undergrad

[zinc knot]

What program at loo did you pick for masters

[pallid reef]

nestle oa is automatic?

[sly kindle]

CANADA GDP ANNUALIZED (QOQ) (Q3) ACTUAL: -1.1% VS -0.2% PREVIOUS; EST 0.1%

You don’t even wanna see the per capita

And especially without gov. Spending

Would make it look like the Great Depression fr

[worldly ridge]

Hi

can I join the doom train friends @sly kindle

[eternal fossil]

"earnings miss"

missed by 0.72%

[zenith eagle]

oh holy fuck

OH HOLY FUCK

i gotta make some calls wtf man

[zenith eagle]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-td-bank-earnings-fourth-quarter-results-2023/

[eternal fossil]

mostly the retail business in the US took a hit

The lender's personal and commercial business posted a 1% decrease in net income, while the U.S. retail unit dipped 17%.

i hate how they been increasing their profit forecast every quarter for a while now and then rush to cut jobs when the shitty predatory things they been doing to increase their profits dont work

"bad loans" like they werent trying to give out as many loans as they could and had brokers falsifying income just to get loans approved

anyway, the common folk will pay the price of others greed

[fickle lotus]

bro woke up and chose violence

[eternal fossil]

been up and rageful

[worldly ridge]

that is what my business friends workign in canadian big banks remind me as well

[eternal fossil]

i am ur business friend

[worldly ridge]

can i make a prediction

2024 Q1 mass layoffs

followed up with 2024 canadian recession

🫡

guys start dooming

[fickle lotus]

recession ---> ppl stay inside more ---> tech experiences a covid lockdown-esque resurgence ---> all CS new grads get job offers

(ignore the lack of jobs due to recession )

[analog current]

yea its over

its done

[candid oxide]

joever

[eternal fossil]

yeah 2024 recession

coming in big n strong

[analog current]

not for me

i hedged myself

i boght 3k in gold

good luck to u guys though ur gonna need ti 😂

[eternal fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[fickle lotus]

Str8 OD on copium

[sly kindle]

Canada is in a recession already

We've been in a technical recession for the past 2 quarters, and a per capita recession for the past 5 years

[eternal fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/depression-sad-gif-14865417

[strange jay]

more like japan stagflation

we can't qe anymore

[worldly ridge]

i dont care if we cant qe anymore

as long as we have anime

and sushi

[strange jay]

us should invade us

take oil

[sly kindle]

Honestly I would be 100% to amalgamate with the states

[strange jay]

yea right?

[candid oxide]

☠️☠️☠️

[strange jay]

like this government cant even take advantage over weak cad

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/toyota-more-than-doubles-q2-operating-profit-2023-11-01/

[analog current]

u guys better watch out

better start hiding

im about to enter the job market

ima stela ur jobs 😂

[boreal sentinel]

we shouldve lost war of 1812

[worldly ridge]

we shouldve lost the battle to the first nations

this could be us right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9MvdMqKvpU

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elHBYxpmpGA

[fiery prism]

Good afternoon canada fellows

Any employed yet

[timid tartan]

What is employment

[fiery prism]

not u stfu

[timid tartan]

[lapis tide]

fr

[drifting shore]

is instawork takehome project auto?

[storm stream]

Hello Canadians

GDP down 1.1% in Q3

USA up 5.2%

What gives?

[quartz ridge]

in my opinion we should have average new grad salary be 80k

instead of the current 70k

it will help us canadians a lot.

[storm stream]

I thought it's 60k 🤣

[quartz ridge]

if we can increase the average salary to 80k we will be in a good spot

i think its 70k rn

i reckon u can live comfortably with 80k in most places

[storm stream]

"most places" don't have jobs, and the 70k jobs are in van/Toronto 😭

[quartz ridge]

most places do

we just have too many engineers rn

like the supply demand is poofing

[storm stream]

What city you in?

[quartz ridge]

toronto

i am GTA

how about you?

[candid oxide]

time to cross border

[timid tartan]

Wdym 70k jobs

Nothing here

Well unless you can pass BMO’s or IBM’s resume screen

Which is a mission impossible

[storm stream]

I thought by most places you meant most cities

most jobs are TO/van

and 70k aint gone cut it

[storm stream]

I know someone who's ex nasa ex meta at BMO

that's the only way these days

[storm stream]

Calgary

[lapis tide]

[storm stream]

🫵🏼 😆

[lapis tide]

the kid that got 95 on his test saying he could've done better to the kids that failed

[storm stream]

bruh I wish I had as high a standard as @timid tartan

[lapis tide]

why bro still depressed

[storm stream]

[storm stream]

wouldn't you be if you were in his shoes?

[lapis tide]

fr

[candid oxide]

[weak gazelle]

imagine have 5x FAANG and still not making 300k+ NG

[storm stream]

wdym? 5X faang will barely get you past superstore resume screen

[lapis tide]

steven has 80x faang

[timid tartan]

[timid tartan]

Bcs I will be living in the most expensive city in the entire Canada

[lapis tide]

now imagine being a high school teacher

your salary caps out at 100k after 10 years of teaching + various degrees

[timid tartan]

Well I can’t imagine

[lapis tide]

in the very same city

[shy scaffold]

100k salary + fat pension + job security + summers off

not bad bro

[neon imp]

It's capped at the muni level, isn't it? At least that's how it works in Alberta

[lapis tide]

yeah

[quartz ridge]

are u serious

[zenith eagle]

yes but what if the ontario teachers pension plan invests in shit like ftx again?

[lapis tide]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-23548728

again this is after 10 years and various degrees

[quartz ridge]

100 k base is the dream

[neon imp]

That's if you get the job though. It's pretty tough to secure a permanent, long-term placement at a major city

[storm stream]

@timid tartan can back me up on this

[quartz ridge]

tbh

All u need is a company that gives u 3 meals a day

Ur well fed

And ur alive

[storm stream]

😮

[quartz ridge]

That’s all u need so how hard can it be?

How many companies give u free food??

[storm stream]

the ones that pay 200k

good luck

[zenith eagle]

so you're saying i need to move back into my mom's house?

after highschool, living with your parents you pay with your sanity but looks like it might be worth a bargain

[timid tartan]

Yes

I met that person at a workshop lmao

[neon imp]

And no housing cost if you work 24/7 and sleep at your desk!

[timid tartan]

He was a senior SWE at Meta lmfao

[quartz ridge]

Like

Living with parents is basically low cost of living

But limited freedom

[storm stream]

how are we supposed to compete with that bruh

💀

[timid tartan]

Unless your parents charge for your rent

[timid tartan]

We don’t

[storm stream]

white people moment

[quartz ridge]

What kinda parents charge their own kid

For recent

[timid tartan]

We just build a tent outside BMO

[quartz ridge]

Rent*

[timid tartan]

And live there

[storm stream]

[timid tartan]

[timid tartan]

Lmao you’ve never heard about it?

I thought that’s pretty common in the Western culture

[quartz ridge]

I’m Asian asf

But I think I heard someone yeah who had that

[timid tartan]

Same

[quartz ridge]

Didn’t thin it was a common thing

[timid tartan]

I’m way too Asian to the point that I get annoyed when someone is late by 30 seconds

I wanna explode

[neon imp]

How early are you?

[timid tartan]

15-30 mins

[neon imp]

God damn

[timid tartan]

t-15 mins is my own deadline lol

[neon imp]

But 30 mins is hella early

[timid tartan]

Yeah but I’ve done that a few times

It’s mostly closer to 15 tho

[quartz ridge]

Where r u getting free food btw

Is it meta?

[storm stream]

🤣

[timid tartan]

Not getting it

That is precisely why I am depressed

[neon imp]

The homeless shelter gives free food

[timid tartan]

[storm stream]

he's getting free tap water at AWS

[timid tartan]

Fuck off

[fiery prism]

it's okay

[timid tartan]

[fiery prism]

I'll help u out

just pass me your job

[storm stream]

[fiery prism]

i'll carry your depression

[neon imp]

Why aren’t your parents feeding you?

[fiery prism]

🥰 🥰 🥰

[timid tartan]

Bcs I am literally going to be 25 years old soon

I’m too old for that

😂

[storm stream]

his daddy is andy jassy

[timid tartan]

[storm stream]

and he feeds him free bananas

[quartz ridge]

Ah I assumed u got free food and r still depressed lol

[quartz ridge]

Did u switch majors?

Like have u graduate

[timid tartan]

Nah lmao

[neon imp]

In this economy, you should keep being a leech for as long as possible

[fiery prism]

can I get amazone referrals

[quartz ridge]

Oh you’re FT already?

[timid tartan]

No lmao

Going to be

[storm stream]

amazon referral doesn't help for intern/newgrad

[timid tartan]

But not yet

[quartz ridge]

Oh in 2024

[timid tartan]

Theoretically yes but that’s not a good thing

[quartz ridge]

Did u postpone grad to intern

[timid tartan]

By a semester yeah

[quartz ridge]

Oh ok

[storm stream]

everyone should delay grad because there are no jobs in this country

I wish I did

[timid tartan]

That’s basically asking everyone to be in school till they are 60 years old

[fiery prism]

fr

[quartz ridge]

If everyone delays grad

Then those that don’t delay

Will cash in big hahaha

[fiery prism]

that's what I'm doing rn

[storm stream]

those that don't delay will work in mcds like me

[timid tartan]

Wdym

You are working at Google

[storm stream]

🙃

[timid tartan]

It’s the truth right?

[storm stream]

I mean

[timid tartan]

I’m not even lying

[storm stream]

I'm an SE at google

so what

my career is over

[timid tartan]

See

Software Engineer @ Google

[lapis tide]

tryna flex

[timid tartan]

^

[drifting shore]

all the doomers hav faang

[storm stream]

[timid tartan]

@storm stream stop dooming

[lapis tide]

said steven

[candid oxide]

@timid tartan stop dooming

[timid tartan]

Ask @storm stream for Google referral

[candid oxide]

@storm stream google referral please

[storm stream]

[drifting shore]

google offer pls

[storm stream]

you wanna make $20/hr?

[lapis tide]

@storm stream google referral please

[storm stream]

say less

[timid tartan]

[quartz ridge]

Do you guys know the average YOE to hit mid level and senior

[storm stream]

😭😭😭😭😭

[quartz ridge]

What about staff and senior staff?

[storm stream]

2-3 mid
5 senior

[lapis tide]

dox

[timid tartan]

Nah we gotta get to mid in 1 year

[timid tartan]

Did you have to solve LC hard to get that job

[neon imp]

0 for start up founder

[storm stream]

Nah I went straight to behavioural round

Thankfully I had 15 pages ready to go

🤣🤣

[neon imp]

Recently, I was told that I should be able to do a LC hard within 25 mins in an interview, thoughts?

[candid oxide]

ye depends on company

[storm stream]

For top tier yeah sure

[candid oxide]

I’ve been asked to solve lc hard + med in around 40

[quartz ridge]

I had 2 LC hards for Sanctuary AI

And got an offer of 20/hour

After 2.5 hours of interviewing

[candid oxide]

☠️

[lapis tide]

congrats on offer

[quartz ridge]

I ain’t accept that 💀

[timid tartan]

I mean do you have any other options

Bcs that's certainly better than 0/hr

[timid tartan]

Mf

[tough knot]

W

[neon imp]

I got 2 hards in 45 and I didn’t get to type out the second one after I spent 10-15 mins on clarifying reqs and thinking out loud 😫 idk if I can get faster aside from luck of having seen a question before

[fickle lotus]

mfer what 💀

After 2 hards nah

[quartz ridge]

Startups are just whack

I know Coveo also asks hards and pay like 💩

Coveo and Sanctuary AI are pure shaman

It’s always the startups

[storm stream]

Startups think they're hot shit

They gonna fail in a couple years

[neon imp]

They’re nice and warm from being freshly laid

[timid tartan]

Including Circle? 👀

[lapis tide]

congrats on circle

[dark lintel]

Is coveo startup even

It is pretty established mid size company

[quartz ridge]

Maybe mid sized

But it’s based on Montreal

So you know it’s pretty troll

[fiery prism]

@storm stream google referral please

[timid tartan]

@storm stream please

[fiery prism]

good enough

please

@storm stream

[quartz ridge]

Would u guys take a startup that pays better than Faang that has no name brand or faang for lower pay

[fiery prism]

https://tenor.com/view/realestate-sold-gif-15494976

[timid tartan]

Yes

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