canada

[main grotto]

I will try that now

[rain delta]

[vernal sigil]

Wtf

[lucid berry]

wtf indeed

[vivid fiber]

Tbh that's not that bad

[fossil field]

brah nah rebel is so lame now, just went to insomnia

and i pre'd too lmao im broke asf but starting work monday

my friends a promoter there so i always get in free and free shots lmao

[worldly ridge]

blud will be buying th ewhjole friend gorup dirnks next week 😎

[stable ravine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnqUoAEg6f4

[worldly ridge]

this is canada

[wheat comet]

Mind if i dm aswell

Anyone wanna meet up and get chipotle

[stable ravine]

what did they ask btw?

[spice herald]

Did anyone receive Amazon OA yet?
(p.s. I didn’t)

[fossil field]

amazon not hiring

for new grads

[spice herald]

for SDE intern?

[fossil field]

ah for that

idk maybe

[normal jetty]

Yeo fr?

[wheat comet]

Fr .

[strange jay]

yeo

do yall think a referral from vp level at citi is gonna matter more

than like zon or google

[vivid fiber]

Actually idk

It's a bank

So maybe

[strange jay]

ic

[proud canopy]

tbh VP isn't really that high for citi and other banks

I think VP = senior software eng for banks

[thorny frost]

I would kill for a finance job lol

Oh no I was talking about a financial analyst or sales analyst

Not to me lol

I have a background in business

To each their own ig

I see

fair enough

Have you looking into Data analytics or data engineering?

those don't require a master's/phd

damn that sucks

I feel you

the market is trash

[kind jasper]

it's bad for finance and for tech (I've got an M.Sc. and an MBA)

[thorny frost]

i only have a diploma in business but it's something lol

I'm working on getting my stats degree

I want to work in tech someday

Sadge

ty you too

I don't enjoy learning stats that much but boy do I love using it on the job

It's so fun and interesting

lol

[kind jasper]

at this point, I need more practical experience, not more school; and, a wider variety of companies (not just my own) to really advance

[thorny frost]

Many business jobs prefer STEM grads over business grads actually

It's kinda ironic

[kind jasper]

people on the finance careers sub/Discord think about CS, people on the CS sub/Discord think about finance; there's a lot of overlapping skills between them

[thorny frost]

CS majors can pretty much steal anyone's job technically

including math/stats majors' jobs

All the data/stats jobs are being snatched up by CS majors from my experience

Most business majors are cocky af so they deserve what's coming to them

I will steal their job

[kind jasper]

hardest part is finding the right job/getting hired (or selected) or whatever, not actually performing it

[thorny frost]

Nah the hardest part is getting the degree

[kind jasper]

(or, for Canadian jobs, finding anything with good compensation)

[thorny frost]

For me it is

Yeah especially if you get hired at a shitty company

Like the big 4 accounting firms

Don't get me started on Deloitte

It's basically a sweatshop

[strange jay]

big4 isnt too bad tbh

not if ur doing audit or IT

[thorny frost]

I know it's very bad for accounting jobs

I'm not too sure about tech

[strange jay]

anything tech related ur just a IT support

not omnia tho

[thorny frost]

Every person at the company is basically there for business support

including the tech workers

Companies need to make money to survive

If you're not generating profit for the company then you're not gonna stay a long time in the company

[strange jay]

lol cant say too much on big4

but canadian finance is a joke

[thorny frost]

Yeah most canadian finance firms aren't very presigious compared to the US ones

Wall street is so cracked

[strange jay]

not prestige

but liquidity & scale of trades prob 1/40 compared to wall street

just too much regulations lol

[thorny frost]

I see

[strange jay]

government let u change frameworks way too frequent

[thorny frost]

If you work for the government you probably won't get fired even if you're not making them any money lol

It's pretty much impossible to get fired from the gov't once you pass the probation

[strange jay]

but u live in ottawa

[thorny frost]

Ye

[strange jay]

so theres trade off there

[thorny frost]

Everyone here wants to work for the gov't

It's so pathetic

[strange jay]

lol gov job is good tho

[thorny frost]

Not many people here have big dreams or aspirations

[strange jay]

so does whole canada

[thorny frost]

They just want to work for the gov't and become a desk zombie until they retire

[strange jay]

depends on perspectives

[thorny frost]

The majority of them don't really do shit at work trust me

[strange jay]

nor do they in finance lol

[thorny frost]

I've worked in the government before and most of the workers there are lazy or dumb af

[strange jay]

u better see big 4 DE&I ppl

[placid dawn]

can confirm

[stable ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-meme-black-guy-cries-sad-man-thank-god-for-my-reefer-hood-news-gif-24902056

mental health break

[hot rapids]

I’m dooming

[wheat comet]

guys lets go get ayce sushi

tmrw

[wheat comet]

please guys my friends irl ignore me already

not u guys too

https://tenor.com/view/rain-chair-sad-gif-24080159

[analog current]

Where is that?

[wheat comet]

well, i didnt have a spot in mind but ive gone to this place 4810 Sheppard Ave E Unit 214-218, Scarborough, ON M1S 4N6

[thorny frost]

Down

You just need to buy my plane ticket

[wheat comet]

okay then u got the food bill

[hushed orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cry-crying-tears-broken-gif-15062040

[magic ether]

hi pookies

[fickle lotus]

hey pookie nug

[analog current]

I need a skin care routine

Any help?

[placid dawn]

leetcode

[analog current]

What abt the snail stuff

And tetinol

Wym shits bad

I dont have achne

Acne

What abt the snail trail stuff

The shit snails leave

Metamusiline

Metamuciline?

Fuck is it called

The snail stuff

Ok what abt vitamin c

Serum

Ok

What abt

Hylarinuc acid

Can u give me a daytime and a nighttime routine

[fickle lotus]

I just use cerave cleanser and moisturizer

Too lazy to do more

[stable ravine]

[warm merlin]

for mtl, it was byteboard -> phone (lc) -> final (design style lc)

[vernal sigil]

Thanks! its for toronto but i think it should be the same

The byteboard isnt lc right?

[analog current]

Somewhere more west im down to go

[warm merlin]

exactly, they give u a design doc and u have to comment on it

[fossil field]

lame

just get a job

[teal remnant]

Where job guys it’s crazy out there

[thorny frost]

beats me

At least I still have more than a year to go before I graduate

Hopefully the job market gets better by then

The economy is so fked up rn

[teal remnant]

Yeah you chilling

[stable ravine]

[timid tartan]

I don't see it recovering that quickly lol

But who knows. It's out of our control and we just have to try our best honestly

[thorny frost]

Prayge

[fickle lotus]

[slow warren]

Did anyone have a cisco interview b4?

[timid tartan]

Yes for new grad

[timid tartan]

Lmao I actually like the math courses in my CS degree more than the programming ones

[analog current]

https://tenor.com/view/we-do-we-do-not-we-do-not-care-steelers-nfl-gif-19783307

[timid tartan]

Oh I didn't ask you to care either lol

[analog current]

https://tenor.com/view/destroy-lonely-destroy-lonely-stfu-idgaf-gif-7625514350652129394

[strange jay]

market changed lol

we won't see 2019's level likely in 5 yrs minimum

[thorny frost]

fkkk

[timid tartan]

Reported for abuse/harrassment 🙂

[strange jay]

that's what we get when the government triggers inflation in the unstable economy during Q/E

[thorny frost]

Just get rid of Trudeau already

[strange jay]

its biden triggered acc

[thorny frost]

hmm

[strange jay]

happens in korea, china, japan, europe everywhere

[thorny frost]

I heard the unemployment rate for youths in China is more than 20%

It's crazy over there

[strange jay]

its acc 50%

20% from chinese officials

[thorny frost]

It can't be that high lol

[strange jay]

they cover shits up

[thorny frost]

wtf

I guess they do

[strange jay]

minimum 40%

[thorny frost]

But that's way too high bro

[strange jay]

it is

that's why their birth rates rock bottom rn

prob not in rural areas

but for shanghai or shenzen it is

[thorny frost]

I still don't think it's that high

Or else there would be an anarchy in China

[strange jay]

see their cpi & housing market crash lol

[thorny frost]

I need to see the news lol

I heard it's really bad over there

[strange jay]

yea but doubt it will impact too much in canada or us

[thorny frost]

Prolly not

The US impacts us the most

[strange jay]

yup

but for sure biden flunked the global economy

[thorny frost]

The senile man is onto something

[strange jay]

mass QE -> inflation -> rates -> artificial cpi drop (doubt will happen until 2025)

[thorny frost]

I don't wanna speculate but I think the future of Canada will be bleak

We need more houses

And jobs

[strange jay]

lol 500k immigration is core issue

prob net 1m/yr

[thorny frost]

All the housing goes to refugees first

[strange jay]

well if we let them settle in sask or manitoba

its fine

gta/van? fuck no

[thorny frost]

I actually came from Sask

That place is a shit hole

[strange jay]

we need ppl to build house & infra lol

[thorny frost]

nobody wants to live there lol

[strange jay]

thats the point

we're too commodity focused

need more factories/fabs here

[thorny frost]

Van/GTA are way too attractive for most people in Canada

We shouldn't put refugees and immigrants there cuz they won't be able to afford the HCOL

[strange jay]

exactly lowered the demand so equilibrium get lowered too

we're just lawless lol

look at toronto mayor

[thorny frost]

I'm not too good at economics beyond intro macro and micro

I'm more of a business guy

[teal remnant]

Yo where jobs 😭

[strange jay]

if we bring semiconductor fabs here

not happening until inflation sunks in & rates go down lol

canadian businesses suffering rn

[thorny frost]

Things will get better man

Hang in there

[strange jay]

its the government generated inflation driving it ffs

[stable ravine]

there are no shit jobs either

[strange jay]

yea class of 2024/2025 sucks

esp 2024 lol

[stable ravine]

pray that 2025 shouldn't be worse lol

[strange jay]

i presume slightly better

but for us

not if justin still in office until election

[teal remnant]

What about people graduation in 2025

[strange jay]

i dont see canadian rates dropping until inflation stops

us inflation = consumer driven

canadian inflation = policy driven

[stable ravine]

home loan interest rate is renewing next year?

[strange jay]

looooool

[stable ravine]

2008 USA repeat for canada

[strange jay]

we goin straight into the dip

[stable ravine]

complete different scenario but still

[strange jay]

do yall think pm will change in 2024?

[stable ravine]

isn't it obv

but nothing won't chance in a yr or two

[strange jay]

i doubt it will be like 2008

us banks gone bankrupt bc they were illiquid based on mortgage bonds

canadian banks liquidity doesnt look that bad

tbh i only see housing market bubble burst and thats it

[thorny frost]

@strange jay Are you an econ major?

You seem to know a lot about econ

[strange jay]

nah i was a quant

[stable ravine]

rich kid

ivey

[thorny frost]

I see

[strange jay]

lol quant jobs diminishing rn

its just dull excel/python job automated

[stable ravine]

what do they ask in quants interview?. you said stats and prob... isn't it similar to ds?

[strange jay]

mine was interest rates & asset impacts & lil python dsa

[thorny frost]

I thought quant was a finance job?

[stable ravine]

we have a channel in this server dedicated to quants

[strange jay]

ye

[thorny frost]

You're supposed to know econ, finance and stats when you apply to quant positions

and maybe a lil of CS

[strange jay]

if they ask u finance, ur in advanced step

[thorny frost]

Oh

[stable ravine]

how long will it take for ibm to send rejection?

[thorny frost]

So a quant and a quant dev are the same thing right?

[stable ravine]

even c1 sent me a rejection

[strange jay]

nah

quant dev, quant research, quant analyst diff

[thorny frost]

I see

[strange jay]

quant dev = c++, python dev

[thorny frost]

I don't know too much about quantitative finance

[strange jay]

its just math/stats bs

u buy low, sell high

[thorny frost]

I think it's mostly stats

[strange jay]

thats it

[stable ravine]

linear regression is hard?. I'm not into ds

but from looking at it I found it to be easy; didn't go deep

[strange jay]

hedge funds want u to build strategies based on math

yeah they rlly love u to problem solve

[thorny frost]

are there any quant jobs that don't require you to know any programming?

I can't code for shit

[strange jay]

u need programming

[stable ravine]

numeric data entry excel swe

[thorny frost]

lmao

[strange jay]

excel so fucking dull

[stable ravine]

I didn't grind lc for a week lost the motivation ...

[strange jay]

lol i just stopped lc since oct

[thorny frost]

Excel is like my best friend as someone who's planning to work in business

You literally can't survive without excel

[strange jay]

not if ur staring at it until 1am

[thorny frost]

Feels

I used to be an accounting major

[strange jay]

ye

[thorny frost]

It was boring af

It's even worse than stats

at least stats can be interesting

[strange jay]

i felt braindead in 2257

[stable ravine]

gpt 4 can do excel ig so there won't be any job security. same for frontend if i'm not wrong. one of my friends said gpt can give you frontend code from img

[thorny frost]

accounting is the most boring major ever

[strange jay]

exactly

[stable ravine]

saw a junior swe posting 60k cad requiring min 3yrs of exp

[strange jay]

nash equilibrium moment

i might do material science masters and work for semicon

oh shit

[stable ravine]

imagine doing a masters and the market becomes worse in 2025

[thorny frost]

What does being an international have to do with getting a master's?

[strange jay]

imma kms

[thorny frost]

I thought many of them choose to get a master's

[stable ravine]

intl fee is expensive af too

[strange jay]

u prob need ft job

after undergrad

to get pr ig

it absolutely sucks

[thorny frost]

what is pr ig?

[strange jay]

permanent residency i guess

[stable ravine]

bro is betting on luck

[thorny frost]

I see

[strange jay]

get pr and go us bro

[stable ravine]

no I was talking abt the h1b lottery

[strange jay]

opt works no?

[thorny frost]

So you need a pr to do a master's?

[stable ravine]

just for 3yrs

[strange jay]

damn

[stable ravine]

no he wants a fail safe

[thorny frost]

I see

I'm probably just gonna do an MBA somewhere down the line

[stable ravine]

I wana do mba and planning the same

[thorny frost]

I won't do a master's immediately after grad

[strange jay]

us mba?

[stable ravine]

yea

[strange jay]

costs u $200k/yr

tho

[thorny frost]

MBA is only worth it if you're planning to use it to network

[strange jay]

for IB/PE

[thorny frost]

The networking part is the true value of an MBA

[strange jay]

not tech

loool smart

[thorny frost]

lol

[stable ravine]

getting a phd at top uni is p hard

[thorny frost]

What a loophole that is

[candid oxide]

did you apply for more QR positions? Decent amount of firms take undergrad QR

[stable ravine]

unless you a good research topic

[strange jay]

dayum

yeah

[candid oxide]

forgot you needed Canada ☠️

[strange jay]

so u have to stay in canada until 2028?

experience then us masters dont sound that bad

yea gl bro

i need to wait until 2027 for citizenship too lol (pr now)

[stable ravine]

I'm planing the same but for it to work I need a job lol

deadlocked

[thorny frost]

Damn imagine having Princeton on your resume

[strange jay]

same shit lol

[thorny frost]

Companies would knock on your door to hire you

[strange jay]

my friend at wharton got same job at otpp

[thorny frost]

Lucky dude

[strange jay]

100k vs 6k

[stable ravine]

6k where

[strange jay]

uwo cs

i got full scholarship so technically free

[stable ravine]

oo aren't you in ivey tho?

[thorny frost]

A lot of Ivy grads have no social skills at all

[strange jay]

i am rn

[thorny frost]

They're basically robots

[candid oxide]

bro got full scholarship Ivey?

[strange jay]

no for uwo cs

[thorny frost]

They only know how to take tests

[strange jay]

ivey 80%

[candid oxide]

oh lmao

wtf

[stable ravine]

cracked

[candid oxide]

80% covered?

[strange jay]

yup

[thorny frost]

They can't interact or socialize with others aside from getting good grades at school

[candid oxide]

isn’t Ivey expensive af

[strange jay]

about 30-35k

[stable ravine]

I work at ivey starbucks

[strange jay]

including case books & all

tbh ROE is better pure cs rathern than hba+cs rn

we get same shit

[thorny frost]

Not everyone at those prestigious universities are successful though

Many of them never have a successful career in industry

[stable ravine]

rng + luck + grind + skill

[strange jay]

+nepo

biggest factor

[stable ravine]

in this market nepo is everything

[thorny frost]

I mean if you're socially handicapped no company will hire you no matter how good or smart you are

[strange jay]

who

[thorny frost]

It's the truth

Unless it's academia

[stable ravine]

just act during the interview

[strange jay]

lol imagine paying 35k for ivey to just work at deloitte accounting for 50k

[thorny frost]

ig but you prolly won't pass the probation

[strange jay]

worked for me

i smile a lot

[thorny frost]

dang

They're probably racist

[strange jay]

i wear suit in behaviourals

[stable ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-happy-but-sad-face-gif-19422780

[strange jay]

seem to work better on behaviourals tbh

[thorny frost]

A lot of companies discriminate against people with a different ethnicity or are disabled

[strange jay]

unlucky asian moment

[thorny frost]

We're just too good tbh

There will always be an Asian better than you

[strange jay]

my entire quant team was asian lol

[stable ravine]

that's actually bad; more asians and they want to diversify

[strange jay]

yup

DE&I hire is so shit

[analog current]

DE&I hire is also in tech

[strange jay]

yup

all they talk about is ESG

[thorny frost]

I heard if you disclose your disability status when you're apply to jobs online then companies will reject your application

It's fked up

[analog current]

There’s a reason they ask for your diversity requirements

[strange jay]

yea

[analog current]

I’d argue it’s the opposite

[thorny frost]

It's better to say that you don't have a disability even if you do

[analog current]

There is a US mandated standard that every workplace should have 7% of their workforce be those with disabilities

[thorny frost]

I guess for the gov't it's better to disclose since they do diversity hires

[strange jay]

thats mad

[stable ravine]

I remember seeing diabetes under disability

[thorny frost]

For private companies a lot of them will discriminate against you

[analog current]

It literally says this right on the job application often

Anything classifies as a disability according to the list

[stable ravine]

gonna eat more sugar and kill my pancreas to get hired

[analog current]

Even bad vision

[thorny frost]

Murica

[strange jay]

i get the point but poorly structured

[analog current]

Yeah I agree

[thorny frost]

I have ADHD

It sucks

I'm self-managing rn

[stable ravine]

but then it's like 90% no vision idk if they would consider those ppl for jobs in tech

[thorny frost]

I don't take any meds

[analog current]

Yeah but if you have corrective lenses of some sort you’re chilling

[strange jay]

wish i went to loo

[thorny frost]

I'm talking about Canada

not the US

[analog current]

Used to feel that way but heard the social life is horrendous

Top tier suicide rates for a reason

[strange jay]

i dont mind tbh lol

[analog current]

Any employer that hires in both Canada and US follows that

[thorny frost]

Oh

[analog current]

Eh there’s more to life than career success

[thorny frost]

I doubt they companies can enforce something like that tho

[analog current]

I get it tho

[strange jay]

yea

[analog current]

Loo is pretty sweet for name brand

[strange jay]

ivey is just pumping esg & de&i rn

[thorny frost]

Loo is the MIT of the North

[analog current]

I wish I went to US schools tbh

[strange jay]

ye

[thorny frost]

Loo is even better than MIT I would say

[analog current]

Didn’t wanna take huge loans tho

[strange jay]

???

[thorny frost]

not for education but for coop

[analog current]

Yeah Waterloo coop is the best tbh

[strange jay]

not this yr tho no?

[thorny frost]

Loo kids are all mega cracked

[strange jay]

seemed pretty dead earlier this yr

[stable ravine]

coz there are no jobs lol

loo sub is dooming

[strange jay]

thanks trudeau!

[thorny frost]

they're always dooming

[strange jay]

and freeland!

[stable ravine]

this time it's x10

[thorny frost]

Waterloo has one of the highest suicide rates in Canada

[strange jay]

tripple A credit >>>>>>> job market

[thorny frost]

I think UofT is the highest

University of Tears

[stable ravine]

cali or bust(rope*)

[analog current]

Man Canada just depresses me nowadays lmao

[strange jay]

just coop

[stable ravine]

silicon valley yeah

[thorny frost]

loo means toilet lol

[strange jay]

i dont see any difference

[stable ravine]

it does lol

[strange jay]

its the same shit

canada-> us hire = us has excess positions

[stable ravine]

I saw some loo 2024 grads still search for jobs mfs have x1 meta x1 zon x1 unicorn and still looking for jobs

[strange jay]

yea saw on reddit too

[stable ravine]

me with no name companies on my resume dooming

[analog current]

Waterloo has top name brand IMO

[stable ravine]

[analog current]

Besides Stanford, Berk, and MIT

Loo is top 5

[strange jay]

for cs yes

[stable ravine]

I assume its the peer pressure

cali or bust vibes

[strange jay]

ivey IB is pure nepo

wish i realized in hs

[rugged spade]

ppl in the US usually only know waterloo lol

[analog current]

Wait are you in Ivey?

[strange jay]

yea

[analog current]

What degree?

[strange jay]

cs & hba

[thorny frost]

if they can't find a job then we're all fucked

[analog current]

Oh nice man that’s sick I almost went for that

[strange jay]

u at uwo

?

[analog current]

I’m taking business and CS at UBC haha

[stable ravine]

nah its luck + rng

[strange jay]

thats even better broski

[thorny frost]

that's a great combo for PM

[strange jay]

hba is just nepo laundry market

[thorny frost]

or banking/ecommerce/finance stuff

[analog current]

That’s the hope but idk PM is hit or miss

[analog current]

Yeah I originally was targeting top banking/consulting firms but realized tech is way more fun so I switched

[thorny frost]

PM is a hard role to land for sure

[strange jay]

yeah u made good choice

[analog current]

It’s also company dependent if you enjoy it

[thorny frost]

There aren't too much demand for them compared to SWEs

[stable ravine]

Im done with academia

[analog current]

Yeah PM at Google and stuff is top tier but PM at some companies is glorified meeting setting

I think the best PM roles are the ones where you get to act as the connecting link between all the specialized teams working on the product, that’s where I think PMs really hold value

[strange jay]

idk if pms will hold value in this market tho

like airbnb

[thorny frost]

My friend double majored in CS and stats at loo and he did ML research at Stanford GSB

He is now working full time at Meta

[weak gazelle]

Nope tech is very much luck based

[stable ravine]

... ;/ it hurts to know that even bootcampers work in meta

[thorny frost]

Meta is a top tier FAANG tho

[analog current]

Yeah I agree

[strange jay]

isnt tech getting more & more meritocratic

[analog current]

I think I realized instead of going down PM route

Going into SWE and pushing into EM is more impactful

[stable ravine]

EM?

[analog current]

Engineering management

[strange jay]

then u might not need mba

[stable ravine]

MIS

[analog current]

MIS?

[analog current]

MBA honestly overrated nowadays

[weak gazelle]

PMs to EM path is real

[stable ravine]

management information systems

degree

[analog current]

Isn’t SWE -> EM a bit easier?

[analog current]

Ah yeah lmao

[weak gazelle]

most CEOs are Product people too

[analog current]

Yeah

[weak gazelle]

Not necessarily

[analog current]

I get why

PM is my dream job conceptually

[weak gazelle]

I would say SWE-> PM to Management

[analog current]

But in reality they’re over glorified meeting setters unfortunately

At least, most of the time

Some people get really sick PM jobs which is awesome

[stable ravine]

who wouldn't want an easy job

[strange jay]

lol who knows pm jobs will exist in 2028 or smt

[thorny frost]

PM is for people who can't code /s

[weak gazelle]

PMs tell Eng what to do, to an extend

[analog current]

That’s the issue - that’s how people see it

[weak gazelle]

PM is more abstracted

And hence safer

Than SWE

[strange jay]

senior eng can do that

[analog current]

PMs are a luxury - in a bad market, you can’t afford luxuries

[stable ravine]

wait isn't that what solutions architect does?

[strange jay]

yea

[weak gazelle]

well then that’s a product role too lol

[analog current]

SWEs are the core of every software product in the world

At the end of the days, the products drive revenue, and the SWEs drive the products

So SWEs will always hold the most value

Which is why PMs get the shaft often

And aren’t taken seriously

[weak gazelle]

Of course, but as the entry barrier to Swe gets lower, more abstract roles will be much more valuable

Like product

[strange jay]

there is not much scalability when the rates are this high

[weak gazelle]

Much closer to business later

Layers

[analog current]

Is the entry barrier getting lower?

I’d argue the bar is getting higher in many places

[weak gazelle]

To an extent

[lapis tide]

shri

[weak gazelle]

I mean it’s easier to learn how to implement

[strange jay]

getting meritocratic

[weak gazelle]

blessed shri

[strange jay]

i just need seed money at this point

imma short the market

[thorny frost]

Do PMs get paid more than Product Designers?

[strange jay]

macro dependent ig

[weak gazelle]

That’s never true in the companies driving cutting edge innovation

I’m in SWE btw

[analog current]

That’s true, but that’s only a handful of companies

[weak gazelle]

But I still think Product >

[thorny frost]

Product design sounds cool af but it's female dominated

[analog current]

I agree btw, I think product is incredibly valuable

I just don’t think most companies value it properly

[weak gazelle]

Altman is a product guy

[analog current]

I think they should

[thorny frost]

I don't wanna work in a female-dominated role/industry

[analog current]

Altman got fired

[weak gazelle]

u can see how valuable he is

[weak gazelle]

Bruh

[thorny frost]

I will get discriminated against

[strange jay]

he got offer

like 1 day after

[weak gazelle]

he got back

lol.

[analog current]

I know lol

I was just playing

[weak gazelle]

They fired the board for him

[strange jay]

lol

[analog current]

I agree product is important

[weak gazelle]

That’s how valuable he is

[analog current]

I hope more companies see the value of it

[weak gazelle]

Ilya probably had to resign

[analog current]

Product is my background lol so I would love it if the value increased

[weak gazelle]

Chief scientist

That’s a blow to OpenAI though

[analog current]

But I’m making sure my SWE skills are strong enough that if product isn’t enticing enough, SWE is a good path

[thorny frost]

Product designer is basically a more prestigious architect

Architects get paid like shit

[weak gazelle]

Idk the people I’ve personally talked to, who are quite high up on the SWE ladder

Have tremendous respect for PMs

Because they know what’s up

[analog current]

If you don’t mind me asking, is this typically in top tier companies?

FAANG+

[weak gazelle]

Pichai was a PM

[weak gazelle]

Yea

[analog current]

Again I agree completely, I love product, I would love to be a PM

But the caveat is

Only at top tier companies do PMs get respect

If you work as a PM at any medium size company down to startup, you do mostly internal logistical management

Which does hold value, but is not the same skillset as what the PM role was designed to do

[thorny frost]

CS + stats is a really popular combo at UBC

I saw a lot of ppl doing it on linkedin

[analog current]

Yeah it’s incredible

[thorny frost]

Many of them did ML research

[analog current]

I wish I had done that

They’re all cracked

[strange jay]

wish i went to ubc

better than london

[thorny frost]

It's probably worse now cuz DS is oversaturated af

[analog current]

In terms of passion I just think stats and CS are rly cool and a good combo

I honestly think the most underrated degree is a math degree though

[normal jetty]

How did u get the uwo scholarship

[analog current]

I think math is an incredibly valuable degree

Leaves doors open everywhere

[thorny frost]

For sure you get to learn to code like a programmer and analyze data like a statistician

or data analyst

[strange jay]

entrance $3k + random ass scholarships from hs $5k + ivey scholarships $6k

and prob more ig

[normal jetty]

Are they recurring

[strange jay]

yeah

[normal jetty]

Nice

I don’t have any scholarships

[strange jay]

u can still apply tho

[analog current]

Anyone considering taking a masters?

[normal jetty]

Did you apply to the ivey one

[strange jay]

ill prob do materials or computational finance

[thorny frost]

If you're good at math you can branch into anything

[strange jay]

yeah in ur hba1 report u write essays and u get scholarships randomly

think they gave out based on backgrounds (prev internships & all)

[strange jay]

did shopify post internship yet

idk when they usually hire summer interns

[lapis tide]

shopify not hiring

actually shopify maybe hiring

[bold crystal]

IMO looking at a company's 5 year stock performance is not a good indicator for knowing if they are hiring or not

[strange jay]

it gives overall picture tho

[bold crystal]

yeah it's helpful for maybe getting a better understanding of their moat but I wouldn't really look too deep into stock performance

stock prices are based on market sentiment, high performing = not limited to (beating rev expectations, having decent liquidity, market sector performance) but it doesn't really give us information on hiring needs.

[strange jay]

but the overall flow goes along with the macro

[bold crystal]

this is my opinion tho someone tell me im wrong lol

[hushed orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cry-crying-tears-broken-gif-15062040

[lapis tide]

excellent correlation

[strange jay]

and its dependent on rates & cpi esp for firms like shopify

exactly

[bold crystal]

first rule of stats: correlation does not equal causation

[lapis tide]

ok bud

[strange jay]

hotting is equal causational

nothing

[lapis tide]

tell me why ice creams cause drownings then

[real storm]

thinking about the same

anyone start working and are thinking of doing a masters

[bold crystal]

yeah i mean some companies are just gonna be more vulnerable to CPI increases

[strange jay]

like b2c

or b2b

both in current case

[bold crystal]

that change is relfected in their dept

if they have hiring needs for XYZ team they are still gonna hire, inflation is inversely related to employment

[lapis tide]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-meme-black-guy-cries-sad-man-thank-god-for-my-reefer-hood-news-gif-24902056

[vernal sigil]

Ye Lyft hiring and look at their stock

[strange jay]

loooool

[lapis tide]

is this why zon not hiring

[bold crystal]

GOAT

[strange jay]

scaled way too much

[bold crystal]

idk im a econ major trying to do SWE this is the worst time to try

[strange jay]

yea prob the worst timing since 2008 imo

this will be LONG

[bold crystal]

have 2 dev internship experiences and I can't even get a callback sometimes

[strange jay]

thats what we get from joe

[bold crystal]

honestly

lets hope the election will bring in some openings lol

[strange jay]

real question is

WILL 2025 COME

[bold crystal]

joe is gonna want to boost shit up

[strange jay]

sectors will get devastated in this rate

[zenith eagle]

i would know if they are or they arent

and they arent

🚫

[strange jay]

support and resistance

i only see energy & semicon & civil engg surviving in 2 yrs tho

[bold crystal]

just apply to AI startups those are hot rn

[strange jay]

AI?

nah

[bold crystal]

thats the new wave tho

[zenith eagle]

ai hype is overblown

it's just if and elseif and else

[bold crystal]

so many VCs are throwing money at "AI-backed" startups

[zenith eagle]

why do u think i got fired?

i lied to the board about gpt

[strange jay]

its "startups" they are funding

[bold crystal]

I know this one dude that got ~600k for a gpt keyboard

[strange jay]

not ng or interns

VCs want bang for the bucks

[bold crystal]

u apply for amazon?

pray for a Q1 AWS budget increase if u did

I got an email last week telling me i am "still under consideration" and I applied 2 months ago

yeah summer

did u get tiktok OA

that was the most fucked OA ive done in a very long time I just closed my computer after the 4th question

[strange jay]

last question for tiktok has highest weight

heard they intentionally make it difficult & try to rank among last q score

[drifting shore]

fuck tiktok

[thorny frost]

Uber >>> Lyft

I'm surprised that Lyft hasn't gone out of business yet

[weak gazelle]

Prestige wise?

[thorny frost]

Pretty much in everything tbh

[weak gazelle]

Lyft is a lot more prestigious than Uber lol

Not a lot more, but more

[thorny frost]

No it isn't

Uber is more prestigious

Uber has Uber Eats

What does Lyft have?

[solid flint]

also same

[weak gazelle]

Lyft rides

[strange jay]

pending bankruptsy

dude has no filter

[vernal sigil]

Free food

[strange jay]

¬profit

[thorny frost]

I wouldn't be surprised if male workers get discriminated against at Lyft

[hot rapids]

fella just saying the most outta pocket stuf and says they are jokes 😭

[thorny frost]

The majority of people I've seen who work at Lyft are women

I barely saw any men working there

[bold crystal]

this is a crazy take

[thorny frost]

Or maybe they're just not a very diverse company

[hot rapids]

he was saying racist stuff yesterday, now he swapping to sexist stuff cmon

[thorny frost]

How is it sexist?

It's a fact

[bold crystal]

I hopped off this chat to do LC, check it again and now i see this

[thorny frost]

I don't give a shit about Lyft either way

I have no desire to work there

[bold crystal]

I dont think lyft gives a shit about any of us brother

[thorny frost]

What was the racist stuff I said?

Stop putting your fking words into my mouth

[drifting shore]

*Companies don’t give a shit abt any of us

[zenith eagle]

allegations of racism

stats enjoyer

checks out

[thorny frost]

He said yesterday

[thorny frost]

I blocked you btw

[zenith eagle]

it's a joke

[thorny frost]

You're annoying

I shouldn't have shat on Lyft ig

Didn't know so many people here love that company

Anyway let's change topics

[stable ravine]

problem?

[fossil field]

Starting my new job tomorrow!!!!

[stable ravine]

atb!

[thorny frost]

Congrats!

[magic ether]

whats good canada

[proud canopy]

I'm drunk

[magic ether]

on a sunday

thats awesome

[proud canopy]

I just got drunk alone

because I was bored

it's not awesome

[stable ravine]

its monday

[worldly ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/neds-declassified-nickelodeon-friends-friends-forever-friendship-gif-18607579

cookie or mclovin guys

[magic ether]

cookie

probably

[worldly ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/coconut-head-neds-declassified-cry-dramatic-gif-12504567

coconut head or @analog current

which is mew maxxing more

[stable ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/creepin-gif-5114992

[night snow]

west coast 😎
but it doesn't matter since I'm jobless

everyday's the same

[untold geode]

Ayo bros, I'm actually starting to feel helpless

Please tell me there is light at the end of the tunnel man

Anyone been employed in the last month or so?

I don't know how much more I have left in me

[zenith eagle]

the light at the end of the tunnel is prolly a train at this rate

[untold geode]

Thanks man, that gave me the courage to finally take the last step 🫡

It'll all be over soon

[zenith eagle]

no wait wtf

hold on

*the train to good fortunes and high employment

https://tenor.com/view/thomas-the-tank-engine-shocked-surprised-woah-what-gif-2982173991495381717

[zenith eagle]

would cookie be a swe?

i feel like he'd be the lead engineer for google glass

and then he'd work for snap with the snap glasses

and then now he's at meta reality labs for their meta x ray bans collaboration

@untold geode if ned can survive middle school we can survive recession

[untold geode]

men brother

[zenith eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/devil-is-a-part-timer-anime-boorger-gif-19367173

no wait even they aint hiring

joever

[magic ether]

😲

[silk marten]

yo guys can you stop saying this shit

[candid oxide]

joever

[zenith eagle]

Joenever

[worldly ridge]

biden blast SWE market joever

[fickle lotus]

no, change your name

[strange jay]

Everyday gets better

[zenith eagle]

citigroup gonna become towngroup

[magic ether]

buddy its joever

[strange jay]

nice to hear 5 days after being referred

[wheat comet]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-face-typing-very-fast-gif-24785119

[worldly ridge]

whose man is this 💀

[magic ether]

fire

[stray glacier]

if i have 1 ft experience 8 months (layed off), and two contract positions about 6 months each since graduating, do employers generally see that as 2 yoe? Cuz I would think 2 yoe is decent but im not getting any interviews lol

[ashen horizon]

Anyone have ever heard about the quant firm Connor, Clark, Lunn?

[ashen horizon]

they do but they re just picky lol

[stray glacier]

lol this is wild, i think back in the day everyone was like, it gets much easier after 1 yoe

and the goal post has moved

and by back in the day i mean like last year

[ashen horizon]

Is it a quant role or a swe role

[zinc knot]

I have

[ashen horizon]

Dang? So no technical?

[zinc knot]

Did they have a formal intern listing?

Met w them at an event and they asked us to apply to their general role

Never heard back

[ashen horizon]

Only general posting I think

[zinc knot]

Do you have prior quant exp?

[zinc knot]

when did you apply?

I never heard back

I think i applied like a couple months ago

[ashen horizon]

So several rounds of pure behavioral? Sounds kinda weird especially for quant. Thks

[ashen horizon]

Last month I think? I do have relevant experience

[zinc knot]

prev quant?

6 interviews w them? 💀💀

Jesus

[ashen horizon]

Strange haha never heard of that many rounds of behaviorals
Sorry about that tho. But do u happen to know the TC

[zinc knot]

Oh did you interview for ft or intern

makes more sense

They came to my school and asked us to apply

to the general listing even for interns

[worldly ridge]

are you shotgunnign eveyrthing

[faint osprey]

are there new grad jobs in canada yet lol

[untold geode]

Holiday season is starting so I don't expect postings to be coming out over the next month or so

[fiery prism]

is databricks oa auto?

I applied last week, just got oa today

[faint osprey]

i dont think so, i didnt get the oa and applied like months ago

They came to my school and asked us to

[candid oxide]

Intern or ng

[fiery prism]

intern

summer 2024

[candid oxide]

Intern has always been auto but idk

[fiery prism]

i remember it was auto 2-3 months back

[vernal sigil]

Yea it’s written in the description

[strange jay]

think its auto (applied 4 got oa all 4)

[lapis tide]

they dont care about oa

[candid oxide]

Ye my friend got interview last yr with only q1/q2 codesignal

[fickle lotus]

resume > oa

[strange jay]

never heard anyone in uwo for databricks this yr

ivey included

[zenith eagle]

why mao when we have a perfect communist relative of trudeau - his father castro

[candid oxide]

any jops

[worldly ridge]

what about trudeaus son, che gevara?

[ashen horizon]

thanks. sounds good but I thought they were like 170k+ something since vancouver is pretty expensive

[zenith eagle]

he is not man enough to sire a child let alone a son

[zenith eagle]

hc full

so unlikely anyone would be if they already aren't rejected or given offer or ghosted

[strange jay]

Yup

[zenith eagle]

@worldly ridge u think he does a land acknowledgement before he gets into his c*** cage?

[worldly ridge]

no, but he will lead a reovlutionary peasent army angainst the landlords to redistribute all land ownership just like his father fidel

[analog current]

Hi

;3

[worldly ridge]

stop it

u got mewed

by cconout head

[analog current]

What?

[zenith eagle]

only way trudeau could redeem himself

[worldly ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-halloween-costume-not-happy-funny-dwight-schrute-gif-15443318

[zenith eagle]

is to redistribute jobs

[worldly ridge]

mewed max by dwight

[analog current]

Yo chico

Look at ma edit

[worldly ridge]

LOOKS MAXING

MOGGED

💀

[analog current]

IM A MOGLING

recession

I enrolled in mogwarts

Uk that

By k shami

Its an online course taught by syrian psycho

On tiktok

This guy

[worldly ridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwwUZPMCqxY

@analog current

all ur videos got mogged

by this onne

[analog current]

This tuy is teaching me

He created mogwarts

U should join

He legit teaches u how to kog

Mog

[worldly ridge]

💀

can u still mog if ur born ugly

[analog current]

No such thing as born ugly

Mew + skin care + chewing hard gum + sleeping on back + fragrancemaxxing + stretching

• clothes maxxing

Im also working my throat out

Ur voice gets highrr pitched as day goes on cuz the muscles get tense and tired

So if u make throat muscles stronger ur voice stayd deeper longer

• gym and ur good

[timid tartan]

Lol it's a company with lots of red flags honestly

I already felt very uncomfortable when I did the 3rd round interview

[ashen horizon]

Pls elaborate lol

[timid tartan]

I would never want to work there

[timid tartan]

Just apply and see it yourself LMAO

[ashen horizon]

Im having an interview soon lol, just want to know what to expect except from many behaviorals

[zinc knot]

Applied for intern they never replied

[timid tartan]

Oof

[zinc knot]

like they said their listing is general for everyone

[zinc knot]

I’m assuming yours was ft?

[timid tartan]

Your typical behavioral interview tbh, but one of the questions I got was literally a redflag

[timid tartan]

Yes it is for everyone

You might have been screened out

[timid tartan]

Yeah FT

Very grateful that I got rejected now that I think about it

That interview was the weirdest I have ever experienced

[zinc knot]

What was the question

[lapis tide]

congrats on jane street

[timid tartan]

About conflict but it has to be a conflict which triggers extreme emotional reaction

And the interviewer specifically said "The more heated, the better"

[zinc knot]

💀

Jesus

[timid tartan]

He immediately cut my story in the middle bcs he said my story does not demonstrate that emotional tension to the extreme level that he was looking for

I was like bruh what else do you want

[timid tartan]

Yeah if you answer with a normal conflict he will interrupt you lol

Maybe they have people stabbing each other and pulling guns in the office

Who knows

[ashen horizon]

Are you willing to share indirectly why is it a red flag?

[timid tartan]

I've just described it above

...

[ashen horizon]

Oh nvm saw it

My bad

[timid tartan]

They also held me back 30 mins beyond the scheduled time bcs they were late by 30 mins

Didn't apologize either

[worldly ridge]

thanks,g ot it

[ashen horizon]

It sounds worse and worse lol

[timid tartan]

Yep

[ashen horizon]

Thks for sharing

[timid tartan]

I thought they would at least say something

But nope, absolutely none

Didn't even ask me whether I was still available after the scheduled time

Basically just ignored the scheduled timeframe entirely and kept going

[weak gazelle]

HRT interview?

why did you accept offer then lol

congrats on HRT

[timid tartan]

Tf

Who said it's HRT

I can't even work in the US 💀

[eternal fossil]

what the fuck goin on today man

suns down already

[magic ether]

congrats on hrt

[eternal fossil]

fucking no job