canada

[stable ravine]

idk what these mfs are scheming with same job post and ghosting everyone

[night snow]

at least I'm getting OA's now

[real island]

💀💀

[real island]

🙏🙏

[broken whale]

[real island]

LMAOOOOO

[night snow]

In summer it's dead silence

[real island]

Ecobee would be cool to work at

[fickle lotus]

UofT ---> Keystone Pipeline

[stable ravine]

I pitty the 2025 ngs imagine the volume of ppl they have to compete with

we gona be jobless for sure

[fickle lotus]

When you grad?

[stable ravine]

2024 jan

[real island]

Yall think 2025 grad gonna be worse?

[fickle lotus]

Can go either way

[night snow]

I swear a third of those applicant on linkedin rn are probably 22 grads

[real island]

Tru

[wary tundra]

delay 2024 grad or not?

[fickle lotus]

2023/2024 defs most unemployed cs grads in a long long time tho

[real island]

🥲

[stable ravine]

I talked with a 32y/o ms new grad who got an interview for bell glp

[fickle lotus]

It's either RO or be cracked^2 or get extremely lucky

[night snow]

I also know some 21 grads who finished a year of junior work and can't find another one

[stable ravine]

bro graduated last year + is 32 y/o and is applying for ng roles

[fickle lotus]

Is GLP the one where you do the one way video review?

[stable ravine]

yea

orgs should stop hiring ppl with exp for ng ;/

[fickle lotus]

Damn bell started sending out interview Inv for those? GG I got ghosted

[real island]

54% masters 💀

We’re fucked

[stable ravine]

give actual ng's a chance ;/

[real island]

Wait they’re doin this??

[night snow]

can't find jobs so everyone started masters 💀

[real island]

That’s fucked

[night snow]

yeah ubc data science master is a 10 months program

[stable ravine]

yeah but the application said should have had your bachelors during 2021-2023 and masters by 2022-2024; ik for sure that 32 y/o guy would have did his ug 7-8 yrs ago 💀

[real island]

💀💀💀💀

[stable ravine]

but he still got contacted by hr for an interview

[real island]

Wtffff

That’s messed up

Breh we’re doomed

[stable ravine]

[night snow]

oh wow ok

so we should just apply then

[real island]

Ro or no way 🥲

[stable ravine]

for what

[dapper thorn]

Did anyone do the codesignal for this btw ?

[night snow]

One of my friends applied to a coop position after he graduated

[stable ravine]

is data analytics good?

[night snow]

he told them during the interview and he got the position

[real island]

WTFFF

[stable ravine]

tf no way

[real island]

💀💀💀💀💀💀

[fickle lotus]

A lot of ppl did in this server, I think some alr got contacted for interviews

[real island]

Bruhhhhh

[night snow]

now 4 months after the internship he got converted to full time

[real island]

Oh yeah I know what you talking about

Idk what those programs are called

[stable ravine]

my only hope is sanofi

[fickle lotus]

damn that's a sweet deal

[dapper thorn]

For data analyst? Damn I guess I got the OA late af wth they literally sent it on Thursday

[night snow]

The one he got said you have to be in school

[stable ravine]

girl*

[fickle lotus]

My bad, thought it was SWE

[real island]

Breh

[night snow]

Guess they saw some value
Without the coop government grant interns are still cheap labour

[stable ravine]

at this point I don't mind doing an internship

better than flippin burgirs at my uni

[frosty axle]

have you heard back

after oa

[real island]

Me watching the NG with 4 FAANG internships taking my internship spot

[stable ravine]

nope but just hoping for the best

[fickle lotus]

dude my manager hyped me for a RO then a few months later told me couldn't get budget cleared due to hiring freeze

[frosty axle]

ik someone that heard back with an 800 last year so praying bar is similar this year but it probably isnt

[real island]

🥲

[stable ravine]

I have a data analyst internship at stellantis was hoping the french power would carry me but I applied for SWE position xD

• got perfect score on codesignal

[frosty axle]

maybe they just havent reached out to anyone yet

same here

[stable ravine]

when did you get you oa

[night snow]

"Why do you want to work with us?"
"After I worked at multiple well known companies, I realized that I prefer the small company culture"

[stable ravine]

bro got his 1 week* before mine

[real island]

LMAOO

[frosty axle]

oct 2

nah im bad i got 5 something

[stable ravine]

what did the report say tho?

[real island]

The only thing I need to achieve 600 Codesignal is Q3 🥲

[frosty axle]

lemme check

[stable ravine]

I took the test twice

[real island]

Rest I’m fine with

[frosty axle]

508

[stable ravine]

no the competence lvl

for each section

[real island]

Yo that was legit my score too LMAOO for rbc

[frosty axle]

like the chart?

[real island]

Then they rejected me

[stable ravine]

I got 600 but took it on a different email; then I retook the test got 558 but the report said 100% on all sections

[stable ravine]

yeah

[frosty axle]

not efficient

[stable ravine]

Ig it's just a filter

[frosty axle]

hoping i hear back

looking like this or i gotta start praying hardware companies respond

[real island]

How to get good at q3 🥲

[stable ravine]

that's more than enough for sanofi; they are not fanng and offer only 100k cad they should stfu and sit down if they expect more

[frosty axle]

q3 so hard 😢

[frosty axle]

wait its 100k cad?

[fickle lotus]

Did rbc have a ng position 👀

[frosty axle]

i expected less

[fickle lotus]

Probs too late now

[stable ravine]

that's what the reddit post said

[real island]

Hmmm not too sure tbh

[frosty axle]

well damn

[stable ravine]

mlops and 95k damn that's dream

fck faang

[real island]

95k is fire

[stable ravine]

I would rather do mlops

[stable ravine]

• mlops

[frosty axle]

yeah ill take 95k easily

[stable ravine]

the future

[fickle lotus]

Give me 65k and I'm good 💀

[stable ravine]

mlops>>>>95k

I'll do that for 55k

[broken whale]

[stable ravine]

or even 15.67cad per hr

[fickle lotus]

Can worry about salary after a few years of experience

[real island]

Real

[frosty axle]

just curious for ng ppl did you guys just not get RO or are you trying to get better offers

[fickle lotus]

No RO cuz no budget

[stable ravine]

no RO

[frosty axle]

ok same

[real island]

If someone is looking for better offers they are wasting their time in this market

[stable ravine]

🫂

[frosty axle]

ik several ppl doing it

[real island]

Breh no way

[stable ravine]

bro dug his own grave

[real island]

😭😭😭

I’d take what I can get in this market

[fickle lotus]

It used to be if you did a decent job, pretty much guaranteed RO. The bar for internship performance is so low at some places, you just need a pulse and some ppl don't even have that

[real island]

Cuz there’s not much

[frosty axle]

i have a friend that just got offered to stay as intern and hes trying to negotiate a guaranteed ft offer if he accepts that extension

[stable ravine]

💀 aren't you looking for s24 intern?

isn't not even time yet

[real island]

Yeee lmao but talking from a NG perspective

[fickle lotus]

It happens man, couldnt have predicted this

[real island]

Yeah fax

[stable ravine]

bro empathizing with the ngs

you may be blessed with abg

[real island]

I feel bad for yall 🥲

[frosty axle]

cant predict what the market wouldve been like 😔

[stable ravine]

we all make this mistake ;/ we just have to console ourselves that something better is waiting for us

[fickle lotus]

No does it work lol

[real island]

Yeo lmao I forgot about that feature

[fickle lotus]

I have PTSD from the interface

[real island]

HR waiting for applicants from Piazza:

[frosty axle]

intern yes ng

[stable ravine]

https://piazza.com

[fickle lotus]

I wonder if Piazza hiring ng

[stable ravine]

wt f is this shit

[real island]

Piazza CRUD SWE 🔥🔥

[frosty axle]

was talking to my amd recruiter

she was telling me only 10 interns got return

out of like 300

[real island]

What the fuck

[stable ravine]

what did the 10 interns do

to get the RO

[frosty axle]

im praying internal job apps come through for me

[frosty axle]

just team budgeting diff

[fickle lotus]

bro no way wtf

[frosty axle]

theyre slowly opening up it seems like

[fickle lotus]

That's all it comes down too

[frosty axle]

my friend just got a reachout from his manager asking if hes interested yesterday

[fickle lotus]

Intern RO bar is usually pretty low, if your team has budget you good

[real island]

[frosty axle]

i thought my team would have budget for returns

but they hired more interns this year than my year

so none of my cohort interns got ro

[broken whale]

Where u work? @frosty axle

[frosty axle]

worked at AMD

not swe tho

[broken whale]

Oh

[fickle lotus]

My manager and his senior manager peeped my LinkedIn page a month ago, said they might have something cooking for me

I try not to think about it tho, don't want my hopes crushed

[broken whale]

Jpmc hiring?

[frosty axle]

i sent a connection request to mine and he hasnt answered

[fickle lotus]

he's just shy cuz your skills are intimidating

[stable ravine]

us of A

[stable ravine]

yeah but in us

[broken whale]

[stable ravine]

why canada so dry

no one wants junior swe/sde

[fickle lotus]

our whole country invested in real estate instead of any industry

Zero innovation

[stable ravine]

thanks JT

[fickle lotus]

Liberals or cons it's all the same, this shit has been brewing for decades

[stable ravine]

tru

[wary tundra]

JT is irrelevant lol

[fickle lotus]

CS ngs need to rise up and run the country using O(n) algos

[stable ravine]

give me a entry lvl position I'l move to us later

[fickle lotus]

First law: no TN needed to work in states

[stable ravine]

why not O(log n )

[fickle lotus]

that's for the future, we need something to promise at re-election time

[drifting shore]

O(1)

[stable ravine]

JT used housing x2 times and still got away with it

imagine liberals winning for the 3rd time

[stable ravine]

bro gonna nuke us

💀

[fickle lotus]

It's actually so comical dude, all you can do is laugh

[real island]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[real island]

https://tenor.com/view/ginger-ale-canada-dry-ginger-beer-ginger-spice-ale-gif-19952836

😭😭😭😭

Yeah ik wym

[timid tartan]

Facts but only for NG

The intern market seems to be doing just fine lol

[fickle lotus]

It's honestly probably a good enough heuristic to hold some value

[broken whale]

[real island]

I’d say intern market is impacted too I mean didn’t people have Zon offers last year by now 🥲

But it’s def better than NG market

[fickle lotus]

Intern market will always be better since it's government subsidized

No one wants ngs cuz we're a cash sink

[real island]

😭😭😭

Yeah that’s true

Ig intern market fine then

[fickle lotus]

Well, relative to ng

Compared to prev years probs not 💀

I wonder how ng was during 2014-2019, that's when my UBC friends in my first degree were doing CS

damn, seemed like a great time to get into cs

I wish I'd given more thought into what I wanted to major in, first college bound person in my family so had to navigate on my own. Had a chance to go into CS but I didn't know I enjoyed programming then

I'll be honest idrc about being rich, just a reasonable ng salary (70k+) and some interesting work without having to fight in a Battle Royale and I'm happy

We do not talk about GME to the moon incident

[stable ravine]

same

I have my bro but he doesn't care much abt what I am doing

[fickle lotus]

Pretty drastic yeah

[stable ravine]

true. I just don't want a gap year

I'lll be faithful to god for giving me a job and grind lc 24x7

that's how you increase your tc

bro is speaking out of desperation on this current market

[teal remnant]

They learn to code

Are you actually phd in crud @uneven meteor

My ta for one of the course is doing PhD in uml diagrams

LLMs ain’t solving shit

They only good for covering unit test

[stable ravine]

ROFL

FR?

[teal remnant]

Yeah fr

[stable ravine]

that's why I want the mlops role at sanofi ;/

someone needs to caretake the AI; the modern janitor

[stable ravine]

is he doing his phd in HCI?

or software design

[teal remnant]

Yeah kind of hci

[stable ravine]

human comp interaction

[teal remnant]

I doubt he knows to code

[stable ravine]

sure?

[teal remnant]

Cruise hiring inters rn

Apply !

[stable ravine]

I'm a ng soon ;/

[teal remnant]

Ic ic

Anybody knows why Uber never made profit but all it’s is just a mobile app

[stable ravine]

coz of me

I use 40% off every fcking day xD

on top of buy 1 get 1 free

https://www.reddit.com/r/UberEATS/comments/xht6fy/40_off_x3_every_week/

[fickle lotus]

same

But it also teaches you that money ain't everything

after a certain baseline level of needs is met, a lot of our wants that we see as needs are self-inflicted

Facts, those hs jobs were great ways to socialize. Got my first gf working at McD's

Human intelligence is pretty wild, stoner bro moment but paraphrasing Carl Sagan we're basically the universe observing (experiencing) itself

Yeah

Also still in its infancy, baby steps after all

I'm interested to see how AI progresses in the next few decades

[tall dust]

are there any WITCH -like companies in canada hiring? 😭

[real island]

What’s a WITCH company?

[hot rapids]

Company that hires you, train you, then contracts you out

Usually lower pay and locks you into a contract

Holds you liable for “training costs” if you leave

[real island]

Interesting

Never heard of that before

[hot rapids]

WITCH is like an abbreviation of the company names

Infosys, cognizant, HCL

[real island]

Ahhh I see

[hot rapids]

Can’t remember the others

[real island]

Wipro, Infosys, TCS, Tech Mahindra, and HCL

Oh wait ik someone who works at TCS

[hot rapids]

They’re usually not the best, but can be considered in this economy

[real island]

They don’t work in Canada tho

[real island]

Yeah I can see that

[hot rapids]

They have Canadian roles

[tall dust]

cant seem to find them 🥲

[hot rapids]

I think they might even have reduced hiring lol

I read that somewhere

[tall dust]

https://tenor.com/view/rope-primal-survivor-carrying-getting-ready-bunch-of-ropes-gif-19434444

[fickle lotus]

Yeah even they've been struggling to secure contracts 💀

[timid tartan]

Yo LMAO same 😂😂😂😂😂

It’s crazy like it’s been like that for quite a while lmfao

[formal galleon]

I get them too but they only count if I spend more than $40

So its not worth unless you're buying bulk, and even if you are it ends up costing 12-15 a portion which is the same as if you just went to the store and bought once like you save nothing

They tell you to save 15 by making you spend more than you would've originally

[timid tartan]

Yes mine is like that as well

[formal galleon]

Yea but whats the point lol

[timid tartan]

Ig that depends on the restaurant

[formal galleon]

Like you wanted to eat out for 15 bucks, you end up spending 40-50 dollars instead

[timid tartan]

But mine is like $9 per portion

So...

[formal galleon]

Yea true its restaurant dependent

I like to get healthy stuff so it ends up being more

[timid tartan]

Also that $9 portion can be portioned for 2x eating

[formal galleon]

And I dont want to eat takeout for 3-4 days straight lol

[timid tartan]

Makes sense

[stable ravine]

I combine it with buy 1 get 1

deadly combo

I get ~60$ worth stuff for 20$

[lapis tide]

idk about deadly combo

ends up as basically a wash compared to going in person

[main bear]

how hards it get to the states studying CS at UBC

ideally cali

[echo latch]

bro

cali isn't that great

i blame loo kids for this cali obsession

but to answer the q: it's not hard

[main bear]

damn fr? id imagine theyd only wanna hire US grads and not look at us canadian kids

[echo latch]

i mean pretty much everyone from loo ends up going to the US so that's not entirely true

it's more your work experience than school

[lapis tide]

now what about non loo kids, imagine wagons

[echo latch]

uw is inherently not that great of a school, they've decided to compete w top schools by emphasizing work exp over everything else

a couple of solid internships (not necessarily big tech either) will get your resume at least looked at apart from this year

and you don't have to worry about visas either as a canadian so that gives you an edge

[drifting shore]

BlackBerry

[main bear]

yeah but you still require "sponsorship" sure it isnt a H1B but my roommate that works as a senior software told me that some companies dont even bother once they see that requirement checked off

[echo latch]

should've pinned the visa message here too

For international students in Canada and Canadian citizens (internships):
No you're not authorized to work in the US, and yes you need sponsorship (J-1)
For Canadian citizens (Full-Time):
No you're not authorized to work in the US, and no you don't need sponsorship (TN)

[fickle lotus]

yeah companies are more strict w.r.t. TN in this market, some even include TN in the list of visas requiring sponsorship

I default No if they dont list TN, Yes otherwise

[echo latch]

that "some" must be a very small number of companies bc in the past 3 years I have yet to see one do that

[analog current]

I was looking around for the answer but do u perhaps know of any Duolingo interns from Canada

I can’t find any on LinkedIn

😭😭😭😭😭😭

[fickle lotus]

It is small, I'll give you that. I see it here and there on the ReaVnail github list

[echo latch]

besides all the big tech companies the people here are applying for generally are compleltely fine with TN

[echo latch]

I know a couple Duolingo users in Canada

[main bear]

oh so i could just walk to the states if its a full time

[fickle lotus]

How about ones that say "US applicants only" (i.e. not citizen), still worth shooting the shot?

[analog current]

I wonder who 🤔

[fickle lotus]

Like the Visa app that opened recently

[echo latch]

yes and no

the company has to prepare a letter for you that you show at the border so you enter on the right visa

[main bear]

right, so ultimately very acheivable

[echo latch]

some border guards may refuse entry bc you studied cs and the title is "engineer" but you can show up the next week and try again lol

[lapis tide]

what if i wanted to work for mastercard

[main bear]

im in year 1 sem 1 rn

lol

[main bear]

oh bruh moment

[echo latch]

it's too early for you to worry about this then

[echo latch]

I would generally avoid those and any that say clearance

[main bear]

oh also i know this prolly a shitty question but do you know where i could look for what all to do to get the big $$

or how to go about it

[formal galleon]

Def not everyone

My cohort has 40% employment rate and we're 3rd year

[main bear]

leetcode, personal projects, internships - is that the holy trinity

[fickle lotus]

Nah I'll get that clearance one way or another

[real island]

Nah I know a couple loo grads who stayed in Canada

[analog current]

Are u se

[formal galleon]

So everyone has around 4 internships, and going to the states is pretty rare let alone finding a job

[echo latch]

yes me

[formal galleon]

Yea

[analog current]

Yo same

[echo latch]

green card gang

[lapis tide]

rob a bank

[real island]

By choice?

[formal galleon]

It will get better closer to when you're going to graduate assuming you're 26 or younger

[main bear]

wouldnt be on discord if i were willing

[echo latch]

yes

[analog current]

I’m a first year

But I already have amazon

[real island]

I seeee

[formal galleon]

Again the prices are inflated asf. Like all the bogo deals near me are 20 dollars where as the meal when you walk in costs 11

[timid tartan]

I think that's bcs they're international lol

[echo latch]

[real island]

Nah lmao

[formal galleon]

Yea you have nothing to worry about then

[echo latch]

this is true

[real island]

They Canadian citizens

[timid tartan]

H1B lottery is insanely hard to get

[echo latch]

nah

[formal galleon]

How did you even get amazon as a first year lmao wtf

[analog current]

I’m cool

[teal remnant]

It’s easy

[timid tartan]

<20% chance no?

[lapis tide]

would you rather win the lottery or the h1b lottery

[echo latch]

im intl it's j i know the immigration systems better than any canadian i know

[main bear]

are internships to the states worth applying to

[real island]

Zon used to hand out OAs like candy

[teal remnant]

Zon 1st year easier than mid size first year

[main bear]

bc ill need the J1

[echo latch]

you will prolly get rejected unless you lie about grad date

[teal remnant]

@real island any new jobs

[formal galleon]

Bro I've been applying there since first year with 2 f50s on my resume and got ghosted each time

Not a single OA once

[real island]

Okta

[teal remnant]

SRE ?

[real island]

And SWE

[lapis tide]

what

[timid tartan]

I'd rather win a lottery that gives me 1 billion dollar

[main bear]

yea dont mind lying ab that but would i be considered since im canadian and require sponsorship

[lapis tide]

name 1 dollar

[echo latch]

by 6th a good chunk will have been to the US at least once

[analog current]

I had cssi and ibm from hs

[teal remnant]

Is it fintech ?

[real island]

Yeah it’s all RNG tbh

[lapis tide]

mfw high schoolers getting internships

[echo latch]

is that the google thing?

[real island]

You can get asked two sum or graphs during interviews

Or have behavioural only

[analog current]

yeah I’m doing a second google program rn

[formal galleon]

Maybe, Im just saying its not as easy as it was before where 90% of the class goes to the states

[echo latch]

one of my friends at G this past summer rejected being CSSI lead and ended up interning at G i j find it kinda funny

[teal remnant]

Loo is just built diffent

[formal galleon]

Most of my friends got 0-3 interviews this cycle even though we've all interned at top canadian companies

[analog current]

cssi lead?

[echo latch]

oh wait no

[analog current]

it wasn’t this year

[teal remnant]

For winter ?

[echo latch]

google dev student club lead

or something idk

[formal galleon]

Yea through waterlooworks

[analog current]

yeah that’s very different

[formal galleon]

So according to upper years at this point it should be like 30 apps -> 4-8 interviews

[teal remnant]

Ww cracked as always ?

[formal galleon]

But for us we submitted the max 50 apps and only got like 2-3 ints max

[echo latch]

usually if you don't have exp it's hard

[formal galleon]

Its been garbage since 2020

[main bear]

right

[formal galleon]

Idk where the misconception that ww is good came from

[echo latch]

i think you missed the deadline for step but beef up your resume for step sophomore year

[teal remnant]

U still got flare

[formal galleon]

It was good back in 2017 maybe but companies don't have headcounts for waterlooworks anymore

[analog current]

i don’t even think freshman Canada step has come out

but im very happy with my resume

im gonna apply soph step

[formal galleon]

I don't know a single person who got an interview for them through waterlooworks lol

They post and tell you to apply externally

[teal remnant]

Oh Damm

[formal galleon]

So you get grouped with other people anyway

So many companies do that btw

[teal remnant]

Fk

[formal galleon]

Tell you to apply externally and through ww

[echo latch]

i applied during my 6th as a meme w 2 diff faang and got 0 interviews during main so yall are doing better than me

[formal galleon]

Its useless asf

[teal remnant]

Man I hate job search

[formal galleon]

I personally got 0 Im taking a return offer

Im honestly convinced its RNG at this point

[echo latch]

no it's gpa

[formal galleon]

Partly that as well thats true

[analog current]

for amazon?

[formal galleon]

Mine is decent though and I still get 0 ints

[echo latch]

decent has changed after covid

[teal remnant]

I want intuit man

[echo latch]

decent starts at high 80s now lol

[formal galleon]

Yea thats def true

[teal remnant]

Mfs aint replying

[echo latch]

turbotax

[teal remnant]

I interviewed with them last Tuesday no reply

[lapis tide]

name 1 tax

[echo latch]

some companies are j slow

[teal remnant]

Mfs rejected me after asking lc easy

[teal remnant]

I hope so 😭

[echo latch]

this one company I heard back from 3 weeks after onsite

[teal remnant]

Nokia

[echo latch]

amzn doesnt care about anything it's a ffa

[echo latch]

i was talking about ww

[analog current]

amazon google and safeway

[analog current]

OHHHH

I see

Ok

[teal remnant]

Mf u cracker for 1st year

[teal remnant]

Was it Nokia ?

[echo latch]

it was not

nokia i never heard back from

blackberry either

[teal remnant]

Yea fk Nokia man

Have you heard of geotab before @echo latch

[analog current]

I think they pay high schoolers like 16 dollars an hour 😭😭😭😭

[echo latch]

it's more the hiring cycles don't line up; some do still have waterloo-specific hc

[real island]

They hire high schoolers wtf

[echo latch]

i have i think they're p cool

[analog current]

It’s a lot less than the other internships afaik for hsers

[echo latch]

geotab was one of my first interviews and it was for a JS role
they asked me what my fave programming language was and I said C++

[real island]

Ahhh I see

[real island]

LMAOOO me saying Java is my fave language to a Python using team

[teal remnant]

Mfs gave me 2 leetcode medium during interview

[real island]

Idk why I did that

[echo latch]

same

[teal remnant]

Imagine

[echo latch]

bruh

[teal remnant]

Geotab asking lc and paying like a high schooler fk them

Not for geotab they mid asf

[echo latch]

it's the standard for meta and google yes

[analog current]

I heard of them hiring hsers actually

But yeah geotab 😭😭😭

[echo latch]

i would've killed for a geotab internship back in the day

[analog current]

i want boblox there was a recruiter in my dms

😍

yeah

they have ambassadors at a bunch of schools

2 at uw

[echo latch]

roblox

none of my friends are returning there for FT

[analog current]

i hear their food is really good

[echo latch]

idk if they have hc issues or something else

[timid tartan]

I've heard anything below 3.5/4.0 is basically bad lmao

But yea who knows

[analog current]

i havent applied yet but idk if i should link my roblox acc bc i got banned for 1 week in 2015 lmfao

[echo latch]

nah you're fine

only some care

[timid tartan]

Oof

[timid tartan]

Mine is slightly below 3.5 so I just keep it off my resume

[echo latch]

I got G with an avg in the 70s lol

[candid oxide]

on ww they care more

[analog current]

ya ik a dude from uw who did the same with google brain

i dont think he uses this server

but ive seen him around in others lmfao

[timid tartan]

In previous years? Yep

In this market? Hell no

Yea this is pretty much the 2021-2022 golden years

Lol

[candid oxide]

ng is rough this yr

[timid tartan]

Zon is not even hiring

End of discussion

Not for NG

Internship yea I think they do

[sharp granite]

zon = amazon?

[timid tartan]

Yes

[echo latch]

someone call messi

[timid tartan]

Applied Scientists role?

Yea that's pretty much masters and PhD students only

Lol

Wtf

[lapis tide]

@vernal sigil

[timid tartan]

Ass

Hmm might need ICML/CVPR/others publications to compensate tho

Makes sense

I've only done MLE internships

Interesting

True

[teal remnant]

I have mid projects

I have react todo list

Recruiters love react todo list

[timid tartan]

It's fine -- I don't even have any projects

[teal remnant]

Yeah cause you cracked asf

[timid tartan]

[teal remnant]

Please teach me your game

[timid tartan]

You wanna be homeless like me?

[teal remnant]

[timid tartan]

Paper

Draw a tablet on a paper

Tbh you might wanna check out samsung galaxy tab series

[teal remnant]

https://www.samsung.com/ca/tablets/galaxy-tab-s/galaxy-tab-s9-ultra-wi-fi-graphite-256gb-sm-x910nzaaxac/buy/?modelCode=SM-X910NZAAXAC&cid=ca_pd_ppc_google_galaxy-tab-s9-ultra_ecommerce_im-tablets_pla_shopping_20180109-h&gad=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwm66pBhDQARIsALIR2zAJoH40O5kuBh2uYeStfIvviJR6fRzfOv9cal6hEpz6Rr8S4cjGvM4aAltqEALw_wcB

[timid tartan]

S9 is overkill IMO lmfao

Well depends on his use cases I guess

[teal remnant]

iPads with pencil will also cost you 500ish

I use paper and pen

https://www.amazon.ca/Nokia-Unlocked-Cell-Phone-Black/dp/B08Q1YWQQ9/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?keywords=Nokia+Cell+Phone&qid=1697397903&sr=8-1

[timid tartan]

Amazon produces their own tablets?

[timid tartan]

LMFAO

Looks like smth that will break in a year or two lol

[real island]

You don’t need the pencil if you’re not going to use it

[vernal sigil]

U don’t have enough for ipad

[hot rapids]

iPad pre worth for school, I would get one

Not absolutely necessary, but nice to have

[real island]

You can prob buy a used iPad for 300

Base model iPad

[mint gorge]

just get tab s6 lite

[real island]

Robotics summer when

[echo latch]

i wonder if this is still 6 months

i know the boston one is 6

[real island]

Ye it is

[echo latch]

yes

[raw ocean]

yessir

[candid oxide]

why u need 100%

yeah 75 is more than enough

i downsized to 60 for like gaming purposes but then got a gmmk pro (75) so coding + typing and stuff was easier

good problem to have, i never haev enough desk space

[teal remnant]

It’s been out for a while

[raw ocean]

ye i have one

highly recommend getting it bare and buying keycaps + switches

[teal remnant]

Redacted

[limpid burrow]

@topaz linden can I dm u for stripe phone?

[stable ravine]

which one? mainframe? 💀

you sure?

the application dev was the same as mainframe

same job description

yeah app sde was mainframe too

if you have the posting check the job description

[magic perch]

Mainframe dev lowkey great opportunity, you’ll have a unique niche skill

^that companies will pay a lot for

[stable ravine]

skill that no one wants?

[magic perch]

Like 80% of all finance companies likely run on the mainframe still

[stable ravine]

they'll migrate sooner or later

[lapis tide]

uh oh

newest mainframe youth

[stable ravine]

they will

[magic perch]

They will but until then you’re printing cash ahaha

[stable ravine]

always look at the bigger picture what next?

[lapis tide]

migrate the banks back to mainframes

[stable ravine]

lol

not this one

application dev

no I applied I think I got a rejection

for this

leme check again getting a lot of rejections cant keep track of it

[frosty axle]

anyone heard of accedo?

[stable ravine]

its still under review

I did not apply for app dev and mainframe coz both were mainframe

hc?

head count?

10max idk

almost all of my ng apps are under review

[lapis tide]

https://tenor.com/view/no-scared-nervous-smh-anxious-gif-17098323

[stable ravine]

including c1

xD

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-party-hyped-christopher-mintz-plasse-fogell-gif-16951713

me after getting offer letter

[lapis tide]

https://tenor.com/view/break-yourself-fool-mclovin-superbad-gif-13231367

least damaged hearing

[fickle lotus]

same lol

bmo probs rubbing their hands together in glee at how many qualified applicants they have now

[stable ravine]

I lost hope for bmo intermediate/ng role since it has intermediate on it.

increases the competition exponentially

Konrad TA said he received an application from ex-shopify full stack sde for an intermediate role

one that he could remember*

he said don't even apply for intermediate roles, but it doesn't hurt to apply so I keep my expectation at 0% and use chrome auto fill to apply

[fickle lotus]

Man we just gotta hope Q1 budgets are strong after the austerity this past year

[fickle lotus]

Even if it's 0.01% we try

[stable ravine]

yeah

im waiting for amz 2025 ng posting to go live

can 2024 grads apply?

they'll def prefer ppl with experience than ng tbh

checked reddit for bell ng role

a 32 yr has gotten an interview for it

we're dooomed

apparently he's a ng masters

but the app said ng masters should have completed their bachelors between 2021-2022

still he got an interview no way a 32 y/o would have completed his bachelor's between 2021-2022

no my bad he's 34 rofl

ggs imagine being 34 y/o and robbing a ng job cries in pain*

it's jover I repeat it's jover

fired from prev job? but the application said no more than 3 yrs of exp

nah its easy just gas light everyone and ego boost yourself

throw in technical jargons

be good at the job description?

it's a 3hrs interview

so you'll have your time

a lot tbh

https://tenor.com/view/sosherlock-copium-gif-26062107

[sleek meteor]

I read that somewhere too

i think he bombed his interview too 😭

bell pick me please

[vernal sigil]

https://siepr.stanford.edu/publications/policy-brief/recession-graduates-long-lasting-effects-unlucky-draw

[lapis tide]

what is the status of zon

[vernal sigil]

False

[lapis tide]

thank you

[sleek meteor]

is zon hiring?

[lapis tide]

zon hiring

[vernal sigil]

0

[fickle lotus]

Zon will hire millions

Of warehouse workers

[vernal sigil]

Zon already have 1+ million warehouse workers

[lapis tide]

name 1

thank you

[vernal sigil]

He’s scared of the robots stealing his warehouse worker job

[lapis tide]

dox

[teal remnant]

How

[lapis tide]

thank you

proof?

[vernal sigil]

rajavel

jimmy

[fickle lotus]

leonardo
raphael
michaelangelo
donatello

[lapis tide]

last name?

[worldly ridge]

October overflow on monday, I feel it

[stable ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

october is almost over and its jover

[fickle lotus]

I think I feel it

The overflow

It's trickling down on me...some sort of liquid

[lapis tide]

pics?

[worldly ridge]

No new grad Nobember

Destroyed morale December

Just hang on January

Finaly homelss Febuary

[stable ravine]

its 2x NNN

and 2x DDD

[lapis tide]

new njobs november

dnew djobs december

jnew jobs janurary

[stable ravine]

lol

[stable ravine]

djob

[fickle lotus]

Might rope March

Actually over April

[formal prism]

is it ok for your code not to pass the test cases on the first try in a technical interview?

[real island]

Yes

[formal prism]

cool

and how do you debug your solution?

can i use print statements lol

[stable ravine]

I guess it would look bad

[formal prism]

lmao true

[fickle lotus]

Manually walk through with test cases usually

[real island]

Well you would need to see why the test case failed, ^

[fickle lotus]

Edge cases, think of ways to break it

[formal prism]

Ahh thanks, I should probably get back to leetcode then

[stable ravine]

using print statement can imply that you're not thinking

if you're completely blank use print statement if there are no other options

[stable ravine]

always prep for the best

it'll be a cake walk for you in either case

best* enjoy the process

rofl is this even real?

[fickle lotus]

Gotta get that coveted first interview spot

[tight gale]

Aahmed aamer

[fickle lotus]

Allgonnamakeitif Allahwillsit

Ye but wcyd

[tight gale]

Switch religions

[stable ravine]

I'm a TA and I'm lenient af

are the names sorted by first name or by last name 🤔

tell me which comes first; ben dover or bend over?

[timid tartan]

Damn when I was a TA my questions always had the lowest grade avg

[stable ravine]

but mostly all of your assignments would be split between TA and profs so the naming order doesn't matter. its luck then

the split is random depends on the number of TA and profs for the course and their availability

[eternal fossil]

rope for tomorrow ?

monday another day

[stable ravine]

can't wait to see the rejection emails

[eternal fossil]

cant wait

[stable ravine]

I got that last week

when did you apply?

I got it like 10 days ago

I applied on sep

[stable ravine]

applied on 9th sep rejec on 6th oct

got the rejection around same time tho xD

idek if if they're even looking at our resume

it's all luck and number game but the fun fact is it's not even a number game in canada coz there isn't any job to apply

[summer compass]

Got mine today as well

Applied Aug 17

[eternal fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/sadness-simpsons-gif-12578198

https://tenor.com/view/thisisfine-disaster-denial-fine-fire-gif-5213093

https://tenor.com/view/goodnight-punpun-oyasumi-punpun-punpun-onodera-lico-licocore-gif-23014250

[eternal fossil]

I’m dooming in here

[oblique quiver]

Mfw last name X...

[tranquil goblet]

anyone interview for Citi bank before?

[stable ravine]

nope

ng?

[tranquil goblet]

intern

[timber smelt]

am i just dumb

but where do you find new grad postings for canada

there seem to be none on linkedin

[flint sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/do-we-need-to-inform-him-should-i-tell-him-maybe-question-gif-14205161

[frosty axle]

Applied to Manulife on Aug 10 but no interview or rejection do I have a chance

[timid tartan]

Indeed there’s none

Lol

[stone osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[hallow sapphire]

they already scheduled all their interviews

source: they interviewed me

and are looking to move to the final rounds now

they're kinda. a mess

[next summit]

thats pretty cool tho

like yeah that takes time but ngl im done with these algorithms tossing my resume out

[whole canopy]

@analog current lol

[dapper thorn]

Weird question but do you guys submit ur resumes in pdf or .docx?

[lapis tide]

pdf

[dapper thorn]

Alright same but then this popped up on my feed but I’d never heard of this before.

[candid oxide]

I submit .txt

[lapis tide]

Engagement bait

Also i dont think it really matters

Blaming ats is almost always cope

[dapper thorn]

Yea I though so too, I feel like if the auto resume filler on workday or whatever can parse your resume properly then no reason ATS wouldn’t either

[tight gale]

i only submit as png

[dapper thorn]

Whoops mb

[oblique crater]

if I was a recruiter I would throw all .docx resumes out

[reef niche]

anyone received this?

[stone osprey]

No

[lapis tide]

😔

[cobalt pawn]

did they tell u about this during interview?

[hallow sapphire]

yea

they're in person

they also refused to fly me out and made a fuss that I was the only non-toronto person

granted they decided to interview me

not the other way around

[cobalt pawn]

i interviewed last week...they didnt say anything about final 😦

[hallow sapphire]

ooof

[brittle cosmos]

Hey guys so I was offered an IT role instead of a dev role only issue is the IT role requires me to work 1 day on the weekend should I take it or keep looking for dev roles? It is also shift based so not your regular 9-5? Thoughts?

[stable ravine]

what kind of IT?

[brittle cosmos]

Regular customer facing IT

[stable ravine]

tech support?, keep looking for dev roles

[brittle cosmos]

Yeah basically

[stable ravine]

if you're a ng the TC would match the dev roles but it has no growth and your TC will be capped

[brittle cosmos]

I was thinking of doing it and to keep looking on the side

[stable ravine]

yeah don't quit the job in this market but keep looking for alternatives

[brittle cosmos]

Job market is brutal rn

[stable ravine]

yeah fr

[stone osprey]

Nvm yes I did

[reef niche]

when are u guys graduating?

[strange trail]

I got this email now

[reef niche]

any idea if the email means anything?

[strange trail]

I doubt it means anything positive or negative

[lapis tide]

It means youre not me

[slow warren]

yall think its worth delaying graduation and applying to more internships? idk if the job market would be better next year anyway

[oblique crater]

best thing you can do in canada to have a job is to get an internship 1-2 semesters before your graduation, get return offer, finish your final semester and return as a ng there, if you already have a potential return then graduate asap and take that, TC maxxing is for loo students and when the market is good

[stable ravine]

december

[ember stag]

why tf amazon sending me a "ur application is still under consideration" email like what is the use my heart dropped for no reason

[slow warren]

Did that but idk if amazons bum ass is gonna give me an offer or not

[oblique crater]

amazon is the worst prayin for you, i guess defer grad till you get internship or ng job

[reef niche]

how to defer graduation?

[hybrid owl]

next year is worse lol

[slow warren]

take internships instead of courses and not complete ur credits lol

[oblique crater]

take the minimum course amount to stay a student, if you’re super close to graduation it won’t work

[reef niche]

what's the benefit of defering graduation?

[oblique crater]

adding an extra summer in your degree, which you can get an internship in, to then secure a return offer

[slow warren]

can still apply to internships i guess

[oblique crater]

there’s just so little ng direct hire jobs in Canada

[slow warren]

new grad is harder so idk

[oblique crater]

it sure is but it also operates differently than US so you have to adapt accordingly

[reef niche]

i think international students cant do that...

[oblique crater]

I’m international and yes you can its just a pain, program dependent though

[reef niche]

what about graduating 2024 august?

[slow warren]

thats the same cycle as 2024 may i think

[oblique crater]

definitely, but it’s 1 year fulltime work on your 3 year work permit and you can essentially be unemployed for 2 and work the 3rd just fine, and i’m not fully sure on this but i don’t think it has to be directly related to your degree either but the job code will factor in your eligibility for applying to the PR later on

[stable ravine]

he said tech support*

[oblique crater]

yeah it’s gotta be a job in the NOC that’s eligible for express entry, so fast food job’s don’t qualify and most manual work as well, but say you get hired as a business analyst instead of dev that would still work

where do you know what the cutoff is?

[stable ravine]

[oblique crater]

holy moly that would be terrifying

time to learn french and get a 9 in IELTS

I just did a CRS calculator I got 561

[topaz linden]

Is express entry the same as PR application?

[oblique crater]

roughly speaking this will be when I have 2 yeo

and no french and based it off my high school IELTS and I’m definitely better than then

yeah i’m working on pgwp rn

oh i see

damn then it’s pretty competitive

i saw 500 on October 10th

[topaz linden]

Wait so it’s possible to reach the cut off with only 1 year full time experience

[oblique crater]

okay well thankfully I started working immediately after university so I’ll have 104 draws assuming biweekly draws with 2 yeo experience, some of them i won’t qualify for but that’s a pretty good chance of qualifying

what’s the max amount of points you can get out of french learning?

i think i can get up to mid level in a year

i did french for 6 years when i was a kid

yeah i didn’t think it was that competitive wow

idk about a lot i feel like if you have a good lawyer here you can avoid it for a long time

dude i know a lot of international students that have given this 0 consideration

6 year degrees and planning to travel around and shit afterwards too

yeah that was the first thing i was terrified about

one semester of part time and you’re screwed pretty much

how tf is the max score 1200

that seems impossible

[lapis tide]

@vernal sigil what is the status of zon hiring

[wary tundra]

is squarepoint capital OA auto? Swear people were interviewing a month ago but just got it

no, you?

[vernal sigil]

Send screenshot

[lapis tide]

zon hiring

[eternal fossil]

LMFAO

I SEEN THAT

HAHAHAHA

[mint nest]

Am I making a mistake, or are there genuinely so few companies offering new graduate positions for May 2024 that they can be counted on one hand? I am an international student plan to finish all my credits in December, this situation is stressing me out 🫠

[stable ravine]

I feel you, I'm exactly in the situation as yours

[eternal fossil]

go to the states

canada is gonna see so many problems in the next decade

[real island]

[eternal fossil]

yo guys

remember twilio

they hiring new grads

[real island]

Is it for winter or summer?

Oh

[stable ravine]

where tho

[eternal fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/matt-le-blanc-matthew-perry-youve-been-bamboozled-david-schwimmer-bamboozled-gif-10384514

[stable ravine]

why twilio tho xD

[eternal fossil]

idk i miss getting the "ahoy!" emails

one of the greatest times to be alive in

nobody will believe people when they say that a mass population of grads and interns kept getting harassed by automated corporate emails with a bizarre introduction

[reef niche]

Why not get Ontario nomination

w h y

I think there’s a specific track for masters and phd for Ontario nomination

[hot rapids]

It’s not really easy to go to the states as an international student lol. Gotta go through h1b, at least you can still work in Canada

[reef niche]

Which track is this? International students?

[tiny elk]

Rip terriroties people

[reef niche]

Masters don’t need a job requirement…

Masters and phd

https://www.ontario.ca/page/ontario-immigrant-nominee-program-streams

[fickle lotus]

[stable ravine]

hmmm

bruhhh all I want is an interview 😭

[dapper thorn]

i got a rejection today so maybe theyre doing batches?

[tiny elk]

800 applicants in a day for something ive never heard of...

[tiny elk]

good luck mane

[magic perch]

Anyone had experience with C1 system design here?

[lapis tide]

congrats

[short robin]

def solid since no housing or transport imo

[stable ravine]

anyone hear back from IBM, Sanofi, C1?

&BELL

[zinc knot]

patreon reject

[broken whale]

Ibm

Resume screen after oa

[simple python]

i got this last week still nothing this week

[worldly ridge]

yo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nmEcJsJ-Vk&ab_channel=timefly

[stone osprey]

Any new intern postings?

[fickle lotus]

Any new depression drops?

[storm stream]

stupid amazon 😠

[halcyon arrow]

U applying for US?

[storm stream]

ya

[fickle lotus]

kills me when they include TN in that

[halcyon arrow]

Hardly anyone is sponsoring

[storm stream]

It's an experienced role and I'm a new grad so.... no way it'll happen

[halcyon arrow]

TN is treated like h1b

[storm stream]

Yeah really frustrating

But there's enough US candidates that they can just ignore TN

even tho it's like no hassle at all

[halcyon arrow]

If u even get an interview consider it successful

[tight gale]

Will 2024 be better

[broken whale]

Who knows

[fickle juniper]

Imo TN is not so trivial but should defs be less of an issue than H1B

[vivid fiber]

It's not, a lot of companies are more willing to sponsor TN

Than H1B

[halcyon arrow]

Still not a lot overall

[vivid fiber]

I'll check my crystal ball and lyk

[halcyon arrow]

Most of the companies hiring are early stage startups and they believe visas are all the same

[tight gale]

[fickle juniper]

100% guaranteed ||to be better/worse/the same||

[eager haven]

still nothing from microsoft vacouver swe internship goddamn

[tepid spruce]

anyone heard back from morgan stanley after interview yet?

[drifting shore]

wats a good source of caffeine for interviews?

[signal light]

coffee...

if you chug like 5 monsters you're gonna be literally shaking in your chair and idt interviewers love that

LMAO

[drifting shore]

[reef niche]

anyone received a response for intuit coop?

[drifting shore]

no

[worldly ridge]

cocaine

u get hyped n u aint scared

[drifting shore]

[stable ravine]

LSD

neetcode took it and he got into google

[tiny elk]

[tiny elk]

Bruh I had 3 cans of Red Bull today and I don’t usually have caffeine, grind for the interview tomorrow be like

[worldly ridge]

amazon*

🤓

[stable ravine]

google*

[drifting shore]

*after amazon

[stable ravine]

he quit amz after 2 months of joining

he was abt to be pipped

[worldly ridge]

oh right he did the lsd during amazon

[drifting shore]

also hav a comp arch quiz that day

[drifting shore]

I should stock up on Red Bull

[stable ravine]

for?

[drifting shore]

Interviews

[dapper thorn]

Red bull expensive af for no reason 🙁

[broken whale]

Red bull hiring?

[dapper thorn]

Already checked, nope 😞

[hallow sapphire]

my fav resume reject

❤️

[broken whale]

Ayyy

[dapper thorn]

Unless you wanna be a sales rep in Eastern Europe

[broken whale]

Down

Swe career not going too hot

[stable ravine]

dont waste money on red bull

feeling stressed?

[broken whale]

Apply to swe roles and gets rejected

[drifting shore]

10pm

[broken whale]

Relieves tension

[hallow sapphire]

nice house supplies

[stable ravine]

rope