canada

[paper ether]

3rd years

like ofc theyre gonna be good

but 27/h is quite good for a co-op in canada

tbh

like other than some rlly good companies, i havent heard of many that pay that much

[normal jetty]

Alot of ppl dropped asip after 2nd year

[paper ether]

yeah and many in ASIP it's not representative of the population

makes sense, so it's ppl who are good would stay

[lapis tide]

yeah lmao

[vapid latch]

huh i see...

[paper ether]

exactly my point

[lapis tide]

a survey from a discord server for a program for a university in toronto is not gonna be useful for a lot of things

[normal jetty]

I need u to give me a good side project idea

[paper ether]

HAHA

[normal jetty]

Cuz u keep coming up with crazy side projects like this

[lapis tide]

what side project 😳

[normal jetty]

This one

[paper ether]

what company is it btw

[lapis tide]

that was just for fun lmao

sounds like ibm last year

[paper ether]

ohh i see

[vapid latch]

its a vc-backed startup

[lapis tide]

dammit

[paper ether]

Ouster?

[normal jetty]

Ur just being humble, if I had that I would’ve milked it

[lapis tide]

[paper ether]

i need to do another side project

tbh

[lapis tide]

do something with chatgpt ai machine learning big data kubernetes distributed system cloud bitcoin

[paper ether]

solved my first hard by myself POGGERS

[eternal fossil]

I’ve been told that I should take the Lockheed job for 3 months and push out having to move and then quit at the end of 3 months

And in the mean time look at new roles that I can leverage

Anybody wanna chime in ?

[vapid latch]

i would take money over no money

[placid dawn]

[spice flame]

you probably aren't listing that role on your resume if just starting so I'm not sure how it helps for ng search

[eternal fossil]

Thanks you guys give me a lot to think about

Others have said to just lie and keep pushing

[cedar torrent]

how are u guys looking for jobs? linkedin is so dry

[vapid latch]

try indeed too i guess

[paper ether]

fall is infact dead

[zinc knot]

I didn’t hear back from anything

[soft hamlet]

What

Gov jobs?

Carleton lists 25.50 or close to that as average no?

[cedar torrent]

r yall even applying for ft positions in canada anymore? Im thinking of just focusing on the states

cause theres deadass nothign here

[eternal fossil]

There isn’t anything here

You’re right

But companies in US not really doing anything

[paper ether]

average is much diff than median

[analog current]

Prob similar lol

There is a giant cluster of companies that pay 20-25/hour in Canada.

[paper ether]

yeah, but a company who pays like 50 an hour will bring it up a lot but it wouldn’t change the median rlly

[analog current]

I would argue the high paying anomalies are pretty evenly balanced by the shitty non tech companies

[brave fable]

it’s pretty bad there too

competition for jobs is pretty fierce, unless the job requires sponsorship

[broken whale]

I am scared alr

[lunar sandal]

competition is fierce everywhere

[broken whale]

Graduating may’24

[lunar sandal]

but we’re still lucky we get paid this much out of undergrad compared to any other field

[pallid reef]

it’s all about what value one brings

not luck

[lunar sandal]

what the fuck does that even mean

realistically most SDE1s or below aren't bringing insane value to the point where they're irreplaceable, even FAANG has engineers that can coast because we haven't devised a metric for productivity past lines of code in commits

and you need luck to get ur resume looked at, for any job

so yes it is 100% about luck lmfao

[main grotto]

yo guys how hard is it for Canadians to get internships in USA

[tight gale]

about as hard as dn

[main grotto]

would our uni's sponsor us if the work places ask us to?

[barren sinew]

I thought it was the company that needs to be a sponsor, not the uni

[main grotto]

lets say a mid size comapny

they not gona sponsor you

i think

they will probably ask your uni to do so

[barren sinew]

Your uni can't sponsor you for a US company

Your employer can. That's at least how it is for new grad jobs. I imagine it's the same for J1 visas

[tight gale]

how can your school sponsor you

[boreal sentinel]

ur school can’t sponsor u, it’s always the company

[oblique crater]

no bro your school has top tier law students that are able to sponsor you send the dean an email and attach the J1 form

[boreal sorrel]

honestly this is a mood, for 2023 yeah it’s really rough cuz of the economy in general, for 2024 it’s way too early

[cedar torrent]

oh i was talking about new grad/ junior roles; are internships fucked too

[boreal sorrel]

new grad

internships are still alright it could go worse

[cedar torrent]

yea i noticed im seeing a lot more internships around

noone wants to hire junior swe's

its fucked

[worldly ridge]

i love you friend

[analog current]

@brazen burrow

henlo

aren’t u in morocco

ull never get to murica

how about u come to dn and choke on it

🌊👍

[tawny raptor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/746817311490441320/871740271954653214/image0.gif

[lunar sandal]

i heard about that actually, the offer letter emails for everyone in Canada are backlogged. Should be good soon 🙂

[pallid reef]

demand and supply on the market sets the price unless it’s affected by government, so it’s not luck

[placid dawn]

where are the 6 fig jobs I was promised

[analog current]

ur the bag holder they cucked

there ain’t none

[vapid latch]

being a bag holder now recontextualizss everything

[grave quest]

mods

@quartz echo please remove

[soft hamlet]

Where are you located

[placid dawn]

kanada

first scrum meeting and I already dont like it

[soft hamlet]

we're in the canada channel I mean like Toronto?

[placid dawn]

the land of the praires and blue skies

[lunar sandal]

Nope

[analog current]

just got coursera interview invite

what should i expect? LC? Easy/Med/Hard?

[topaz linden]

Med-hard

[analog current]

how many interviews in the process?

[topaz linden]

When I did it it was just 1 idk if it’s changed now

This was winter 22^

[reef iron]

for intern?

[analog current]

yessir

[analog current]

hopefully it is my motivation to grind LC again is very minimal

[placid dawn]

idk how u guys can grind leetcode

when there are literally no jobs

[tight gale]

So you don't need to grind and stress as much when there are jobs

Imagine finally getting an interview and bombing the onsite

[vapid latch]

why does kinaxis keep rejecting me

lmfao

[soft hamlet]

by finding work 🤓

[lunar sandal]

That’s that first year naïveté

[primal pier]

anyone know the hourly rate for konrad group soft dev intern

[limber dirge]

around 37.5 i believe

[primal pier]

i see, so its one of the highest paying firms in cad then no? atleast for intern level

[oblique crater]

damn that’s pretty good

i applied for them many times and always got rejected

[primal pier]

i got to phone screen but idk what happened after lol

[oblique crater]

i think they have a big school preference towards the east coast or mainly loo and uoft

[primal pier]

they usually have positions for pey

[oblique crater]

almost double the average

[primal pier]

yeah thats kinda a lot for toronto

[soft hamlet]

I've gotten work so far it ok

Worst come to worst I can always freelance right

[analog current]

Dont “🤓” my friend ryan 😡😡

[soft hamlet]

well yeah but freelance is better than no job in this market

that won't happen at the scope I work at

It's like saying AI will replace devs

Certain AI projects are fueled by companies trying to find cheaper alternative to workers 🤷‍♂️

I work will small-med sized companies that won't consider an agency in Asian countries due to language barriers and other reasons

I carved myself a sufficient niche that I don't need to worry about these things, but also this current form of my freelance isn't what I'm trying to do long term

I work purely on referrals with a stable ~15-20 hours a week, which is plenty for me right now because I am also doing an internship and school

Androids do all the same things as iphone, why do people pick iphone even though spec for spec on price, it's a worse choice?

so by this logic, devs in the west won't be a thing anymore? Cheaper to outsource to India or something

Another thing: Why would companies pay me to do things rather than some $5/hr dude on fiverr?

All revolves around the same thing, cheaper != better

Also yes I don't deny, there are lots of people that are 100% better than me at doing things

But I also provide a bunch of services in one convenient proposal, and I'm cheaper than say, an agency that has like a $5k minimum engagement

yep 👍

Also not saying it's true or whatever but typically cheap labor has bad connotations

Yeah, and I am talking about the current market, saying that it's better to have unsustainable freelance as a side than not having a job

That's what I have been saying this whole time

My freelance won't immediately vanish because of AI, perhaps in 10-20 years, but even then everyone would be up a level and now I'd be able to take more of a product design, ai assisted type role and adapt if I want to or whatever

assuming AI expression == human one, also the cheap argument does have some flaws sometimes because people value locality

I just pray for summer 2024 and converting my current internship into part time swe after my term lol

It's okay, it's valid criticisms of the industry

[oblique crater]

what AI tooling will make fiverr devs charging $4/hr less braindead

it would be easier to solve fusion than to do that

[lunar sandal]

4 / hr is crazy

[soft hamlet]

fiverr devs actually do sell themselves short, it's a race to the bottom

wouldn't be surprised for $4/hr

[oblique crater]

freelancing is all about having the right niche of skills and landing the clients that are really looking for your skillset

[soft hamlet]

yeah that's why I am able to charge a lot

hehe

[soft hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/gnam-gnam-nom-nom-eat-munch-chew-gif-12554869

[vapid latch]

anyone get coursera oa

how bad is it

😭

i just got it

[crude saddle]

GIBE INTERNSHIP

[wooden lichen]

i got rejected :33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333

how do you get past resume screening

ryan what other unis did you apply to aside from carleton

[vapid latch]

i do not know

[wooden lichen]

if im working for very small early startup rn do i put it on resume

[vapid latch]

why not

[wooden lichen]

ok:3

[broken whale]

Ik someone who did his oa over lunch break

Apparently it was ez

[vapid latch]

oh shit nice

[soft hamlet]

UO, Concordia, McGill and U of T

got rejected from the last two

[soft hamlet]

what stage is the startup?

Or are you one of the founding members

[soft hamlet]

wait why are you even looking for fall things

delaying grad?

or are you applying to summer

[wooden lichen]

applying for everything

[soft hamlet]

I see

[wooden lichen]

some guy posted like looking for dev i talked to him and now im a dev for his startup that he just started

[soft hamlet]

are you getting equity?

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-smile-emoji-happy-ok-gif-15342067

[wooden lichen]

yes

[soft hamlet]

nice nice

is it a good idea 🤔

[wooden lichen]

idek if putting it on resume would give me better chance in getting interviews

[wooden lichen]

nope

[soft hamlet]

yes it would

[soft hamlet]

then you are basically working unpaid

[wooden lichen]

yeah

expereince is experience i guess

fake it till you make it

[soft hamlet]

equity only matters when the founders exit or IPO

[soft hamlet]

yeah 👍

take the time to learn system design so you get that knowledge

you have the opportunity since it's a small startup

[wooden lichen]

thats true

[soft hamlet]

CU ON TOP FR

last time I checked Carleton was better than loo fr

doing 6 work terms during my degree!!

[tired turret]

for an internship? its like 30/h plus housing in the vancouver office

housing is a stipden 1500 per month

stipend

[worldly ridge]

Hey @weak gazelle !

https://tenor.com/view/गुलाब-जामुन-indian-frieddoughnuts-sugary-gif-12379460

This is how sweet you are 🙂

...

I hope meta fires you

well deserved 👏

i dont care

i quit my job to travel the world

my homebase in south east asia until market recovers

1 CAD = 1 year rent here

[analog current]

wait how u know dis

[tired turret]

i did an internship there

[soft hamlet]

you can be a web dev for Carleton for $18/hr

😵

???

two years of experience for a ticket sale job

???

dawg what

[analog current]

Anyone know how much coursera pays interns? Levels has a couple of data points in the 50s

[soft hamlet]

@unreal field

time to switch careers

💀

[stark patrol]

ive heard mid 30s but have no stats to back it up. You hear back for fall?

[analog current]

Ya got interview

[stark patrol]

damn, good shit. gl

[zinc knot]

bb pays less than 23/hr?

[primal pier]

yeah 21 an hour on levels.fyi

[muted portal]

Blackberry

[zinc knot]

They didn’t even pass me an OA so ;/

[soft hamlet]

Have seen 20-22/hr offers for bb Waterloo office it's soul crushing LOL

[wheat comet]

what happens if i dont have any experience, and i make my own "company"/"startup" kinda make it look legit and then say i was a software developer for it , asking for a friend again 😅😭👨🏾‍❤️‍💋‍👨🏾

[soft hamlet]

do that but actually find a couple clients, would look even better on your resume 😉

[wheat comet]

i plan to do that actually , but it will take a while for me to flush out my product

wdym didnt work

did u like get caught or something?

[pallid reef]

for summer 24??? like nothing’s out

[wheat comet]

ah okay makes sense

[pallid reef]

like fr why there’s almost no summer 24 postings

everyone was saying they start to come out june- early july

[analog current]

@analog current a fellow ostep enjoyer i see

[placid dawn]

what happened to amz

i used to get every oa they had

[lunar sandal]

they raised their standards 💯

[tight gale]

Hi

[crude saddle]

gib mikeysoft posting

[somber cedar]

Hi did anyone do a D2L software developer intern interview?

[dark wren]

what is microsoft swe intern pay?

heard they give 🥜

tanks

[analog current]

msft pay is only 35 an hour?

are u srs

thats cap

[boreal sorrel]

only intern out or new grad too

[analog current]

intern came out 2 days ago

i bet u 20

they already know who they wanna hire

msft isnt based on ur resume

its based on how many dei checkboxes u check

[oblique crater]

deiz nuts

that’s not actually true btw there is some of that but plenty get microsoft by just being cracked

[boreal sorrel]

i agree, a lot of em ik are cracked

[tight gale]

MS too much rng

👻

[broken whale]

Zon too

applied 3 times

ghosted 3 times

not even a rejection email

[limber dirge]

did people get coursera canada oa

[placid dawn]

nu

[vapid latch]

ya

[formal galleon]

How the fuck are you guys knowing when stuff comes out

The only way I know is by checking this channel out

Are you guys gatekeeping some secret notification system cause I have linkedin alerts and they straight up arent sending me anything

[analog current]

im down to build one if ur down

[zinc knot]

nope

[formal galleon]

Linkedin alerts are based on the jobs you have available in the jobs tab smartass

[soft hamlet]

do it

[analog current]

na i need front-end people

[soft hamlet]

ok, I'm here

if you build the API I'll build the frontend

https://tenor.com/view/troll-troll-face-gif-25116980

wrong troll gif

[analog current]

oki

ill pay u in dn

[surreal flare]

Hey everyone!

My friend and I noticed that sometimes students missed out on some opportunities within the tech world due to simply not knowing about them. To battle this, we decided to create an Instagram page, ConnecTech, that could keep Canadian students up-to-date with whatever information we can find about hackathons, conferences, courses, tutorials, etc.

Our hope is to populate the page with events that we find ourselves but eventually migrate to a crowd-sourced information panel to allow people to share opportunities with one another. Ultimately leading to young professionals and students being kept up in their community!

Go give us a visit at
https://www.instagram.com/connectechcanada/#

[analog current]

yo sankalp is it?

gtfo

[tight gale]

Who is sankalp saini

[analog current]

hes got "LP" as a substring in his name

could be an under cover zon'er

under cover Banana™️ police

Banana™️ branded police

ifykykykykkyk

exactly

u DONT know

exactly

[robust lotus]

I know dn

[tight gale]

What's dn

[robust lotus]

Dreaming nuggets

good pay

[tight gale]

I want dn then

[analog current]

not juan which building are u in

yvr11?

[tight gale]

Yes was supposed to be 25 but changed due to readiness delay

[analog current]

L

ill be camping outside yvr25 soon

so watch out

everyone is

u have to be disbaled

to not get into amazon

[tight gale]

I was but I recently quit to do traveling for lil

Might be worst decision of my life but w/e I think it'll work out

I'm banking on Google actually team matching me

[analog current]

AYO

U LANDED

BIG G

big ups bruddah

dont forget us when u get there

[tight gale]

No offer until you actually get matched

[analog current]

JUST SUCK UP TO EVERY SINGLE TEAM

[tight gale]

Yea I'll suck if I have to

[analog current]

no

u have to pass 5 rounds of interviews

say less

[analog current]

@analog current qhy do we have so many mut frens

[tight gale]

[lunar sandal]

How did you get thru the resume screen ? Referral or lucky

[tight gale]

Lucky I got ghosted before

[lunar sandal]

nice that’s fucking amazing bro

[tight gale]

I heard G referral doesn't help

[lunar sandal]

u 4th yr ?

[tight gale]

Nah graduated

[lunar sandal]

You

Ouu*

Well ur resume is diamond encrezted now

Enjoy the clout king 👑

[tight gale]

Bro I haven't gotten in lol

I only passed the hc, you need to team match for the offer

[boreal sorrel]

so you applied for ng?

[tight gale]

Yes this was last year app though

[boreal sorrel]

ahhhh that makes sense, holy shit that’s a long time to get back

good luck

[analog current]

yo mffffffffs

stfu

im lowkey unhinged

aaaaaaaasf

[lunar sandal]

You got past OA

and technical + googliness

That’s more than most of us

[tight gale]

We all gonna make it

[analog current]

woah

did u just tell a

FAANG engineer to stfu

not just ANY FAANG ENGIEER

but an L4 INTERN AT BANNA FACTORY

[tight gale]

No maybe they sponsor

Yolo, maybe it never comes up

Until they have to ship laptop and you are in the US

[barren sinew]

Just tell the recruiter. They might already hire in the US. Worst case they could just give you a TN which doesn't require much effort from them (Assuming you're a US citizen and have a degree)

Yea this works if you're a new grad. But Coursera is an American company. They can make something work

[tight gale]

Bro literally stole that spot from Canadians

[placid dawn]

for my NG homies https://www.yelp.careers/us/en/job/YELPUS12625EXTERNALENUS/Software-Engineer-App-Backend-Remote-Canada?utm_source=indeed&utm_medium=phenom-feeds&mode=job&iis=Job+Board&iisn=Indeed

[barren sinew]

Gonna take that spot and end up being paid in USD anyways

[placid dawn]

gg my canadian brothers

[tight gale]

All in balance

[placid dawn]

do a minor to extend degree and do 2 more internships good idea? D:

[tight gale]

So you have a return offer lined up

If not it might be an idea esp if to wait things out but dunno

[placid dawn]

ill have return from gvrn but i dont wana work there D:

[analog current]

How much does interac pay?

For Co op

[broken whale]

Dk but do they interac u the salary?

Jk

[pallid reef]

insane

jk

did u laugh shri?

[broken whale]

Tell number

[pallid reef]

[phone]

[broken whale]

911

[pallid reef]

i’ll wait for a call😘

[broken whale]

Dw babe

I’ll call soon

[pallid reef]

if u say which ones the probability to guess it will be 1/1000

am i wrong tho

[broken whale]

Avg cs major

[pallid reef]

lol

why

[broken whale]

Who else can guess?

Certainly not a psychology major

[pallid reef]

10 digits including 0

oh

yeah

got u

[pallid reef]

i can tell ur grandma didn’t kiss u when u were younger

😭

[broken whale]

Don’t go there

Alr am done clowing. Gotta go study for my finals

[pallid reef]

jimi plis

[worldly ridge]

stop

yo

[tight gale]

I wouldn't stress too much about ng tbh as long as you have a job, you won't be terminally sde1

[pallid reef]

how much do they pay here tho

like 140-160 cad?

[tight gale]

If only these companies were hiring

[analog current]

that’s not true lol

i literally know people who are L4s at amazon making 200k a year USD

one of them is in NYC

the other is in new jersey

the seattle kids get like 190k USD

[fickle juniper]

Literally not a single FAANG pays less than ~190k for first yr TC in Seattle or higher CoL

[analog current]

besides

anything more than 150 is un-imaginable for most of u (no offence)

companies in vancouver are out here paying 60-80k a year

u guys would be lucky to see 100k

“faang ain’t even that much money “

[fickle juniper]

For perspective I work for HS and I take home 2x just by being based in WA (for which the border is 15min from my house in Canada)

[analog current]

HS?

[fickle juniper]

HubSpot

[analog current]

BROOOO

U GUYS FUCKED ME ON MY FALL INTERVIEW

y’all rejected everyone

[fickle juniper]

Damn sorry m8 💀

[analog current]

did u guys close the fall 2023 position or sum

i crushed the phone interview too

[fickle juniper]

Tho not my fault I promise u haha

[analog current]

ion blame u

[fickle juniper]

Ikik

[analog current]

there’s always the next time

[fickle juniper]

From what I can tell they’re hiring a ton of engineers for 2023

And I got a 13% boost in base pay before even starting

[analog current]

fuck me

[fickle juniper]

They’re really going after talent i feel

[analog current]

y’all better open up for 2024

i’m graduating next year and i don’t wanna stay at zion

[south rose]

hubspot

[analog current]

the culture here is a bit

[south rose]

is in boston right

[analog current]

unmmm

toxic?

[fickle juniper]

That’s their hq yes

But it’s wfh

[south rose]

from toronto?

[analog current]

beyond toxic in fact

[fickle juniper]

I’m in WA atm

But u can work in Canada too (for significantly less pay)

[south rose]

wack

US all the way

[fickle juniper]

The money is too good

Compared to Canada unfortunately

Otherwise I wouldn’t have moved

[south rose]

yeah canada low balled tf out of me

soi moved too

[fickle juniper]

I think I remember u from last yr

Work wfh as well right?

[analog current]

bro i’m willing to take ANY US based job

[south rose]

yeah in austin rn, was in miami for a bit

last year recruiting was hell

[fickle juniper]

My pfp and username are different so ppl probs don’t recognize me anymore

But I remember dming u bout ur company

[south rose]

my companys good but im tryna get sde 2 already

[fickle juniper]

Ohh that’s sick

[south rose]

meh been like 4 years-5 years

and still considered a new grad like comon

i know someone at hubspot rn

was in the ssame cohert as u but dont wanna name drop

[fickle juniper]

Ohh cool

[south rose]

so wait were you able to move anywhere

since ur remote

[fickle juniper]

Yup

[south rose]

why WA

[fickle juniper]

Because I wanted to be close to Van, also no state income tax

[south rose]

ah smart

[fickle juniper]

But honestly I’m alr thinking about moving

[south rose]

if i was from van id do the same

[fickle juniper]

Esp since they let me work 90days out of Canada anyway

[south rose]

wym u mean outside of WA

[lusty roost]

90days a year?

[fickle juniper]

I mean I can work 90days a year in Canada

They have a mobility program for that

[south rose]

ah thats nice

[lusty roost]

oh thats wild didnt know that was a thing

[fickle juniper]

Ye it’s pretty pog

[south rose]

yeah shopify offered the same pretty cool perk

but anywhere in the world

i wish i could do that

[fickle juniper]

Better work hard for that RO 😉

[south rose]

honestly canada is good its just the low pay.

[lusty roost]

i'm trying lmao

[fickle juniper]

It’s the same with HS but because of visa/time zone considerations Canadas really my only option

[south rose]

yeah makes sense

id stay in WA tbh just just sublet for 3 months

[fickle juniper]

Yeah that’s also an option

[south rose]

a big perk is being near Vancouver if ur from there

i was in florida for a bit, and was able to get to toronto fast

[fickle juniper]

Ohh nice

[south rose]

like 60$ flights 3 hours

[fickle juniper]

Holy crap that’s nice

[south rose]

yee id also recommend

getting the nexus

if you dont have it already

[fickle juniper]

Ohh yes I defs need to

[fierce lotus]

Ur working in US living in canada?

Damn

[fickle juniper]

No I’m working in US, living in US

[fierce lotus]

Lol

[lunar sandal]

tfw need pr

so need to tank peanut salary for few yrs

kek

yep thats the goal

[tight gale]

@fickle juniper bro I get hubspot yt ads like every 5 mins sheeeesh you guys gotta tone that down

[fickle juniper]

I’ll see what I can do ||but fair warning I can’t do anything||

[fierce lotus]

Are there even any cracked companies in canada which don't pay 2x less than US

Sir Amazon isn't hiring now i believe

After conversion it is 2 times less

[oblique crater]

brother $1 usd is 1.3 cad

[fierce lotus]

Isn't it 200k tc in US

[oblique crater]

you guys are buggin man only the top engineers get 200k ng

[thick sinew]

anyone know if theres an RBC interns discord

[oblique crater]

most american grads get more than canadians but not nearly 200k

[fierce lotus]

I mean he was talking abt faang specifically lol

True

It's worth it if you live in a cheaper city ig

True

150k is the highest tho lol more likely 70-80k

Ye

Europe doesn't have a fucked housing market and all that

And good worker laws

[analog current]

mods just told me to not be toxic about pay

bro

im trying to

show u mfs what the world looks like

and yall calling me toxic

[kindred burrow]

what did u say

[analog current]

#canada message

#canada message

[novel dome]

L

[kindred burrow]

that is pretty toxic lmao

[novel dome]

Europe > Canada

[analog current]

its not

[analog current]

stats dont lie

[fierce lotus]

Yea agreed

[kindred burrow]

i mean it has truth to it but still toxic

[novel dome]

Depression in Spain > depression in Canada

[analog current]

like are u calling stats toxic?

i didnt make the fucking bell curve

pointing out the bell curve isnt toxic either

[kindred burrow]

Canada has some pretty decent companies, got a very nice NG offer yesterday

185k TC

[analog current]

from?

[fierce lotus]

What

[kindred burrow]

Startup

[fierce lotus]

Damn

[analog current]

which one

[fierce lotus]

Ah

Location?

[analog current]

instacart?

[kindred burrow]

Bolt

[analog current]

oh lmao

[fierce lotus]

Nice

[novel dome]

L

[analog current]

bolt 💀

its not

[kindred burrow]

Rather work there than amazon lol

[analog current]

the cost of living here is higher too

BECAUSE

THE COST OF LIVING

RELATIVE

TO PAY

IS WORSE

[fierce lotus]

Bruh the col is pretty much the same tho

[analog current]

OH MY GOD

[fierce lotus]

Thats why we are comparing

[soft hamlet]

eh depends on which city

[kindred burrow]

btw, it's 185k USD , they give you their SF salaries btw for NG

[soft hamlet]

I live in Ottawa, same number as US but in CAD

[kindred burrow]

even in Canada

[fierce lotus]

Wow

[soft hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[analog current]

ur all monkes

[kindred burrow]

How many internships do y'all have?

Are you all new grads?

[novel dome]

Can u Uber me some

[vivid fiber]

Yooo congrats

[analog current]

i have 2 really nice internships

[soft hamlet]

I have internship and freelance

[fickle juniper]

Pog! Grats my guy!!

[soft hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[fickle juniper]

That's an insane offer

[fierce lotus]

1 so far doing rn

[soft hamlet]

1/6

I'm doing my first

(non-loo)

[fierce lotus]

Ah u co op ppl

Nice

[fickle juniper]

Um gotta disagree with that one 😅

Its quite literally not

[soft hamlet]

if you never go to any other country

it is

just live in the Canadian bubble

[fierce lotus]

So all u guys are finishing in 2027/26?

[fickle juniper]

Um ig

Id still rather make 185k usd

[soft hamlet]

[vivid fiber]

Yooo fr

[soft hamlet]

I've gotten chased by a geese before

[tight gale]

Is this return offer? Did I miss the ng posting

[kindred burrow]

how many of you are from waterloo?

[soft hamlet]

...

[fierce lotus]

No one is hating

[kindred burrow]

return offer yes.

[fierce lotus]

Just telling facts

[kindred burrow]

Bolt

[vivid fiber]

Oh lol

Can I dm about retool?

@kindred burrow ?

[fierce lotus]

Who will pay 400k in canada bruv

[vivid fiber]

Oh lmaooo

Nice connect

[fickle juniper]

@vivid fiber rapidly rising in the ranks, I believe it

[vivid fiber]

Wdym?

[fickle juniper]

Guy said ur a staff swe haha

Tbh I didn't read the other messages

[vivid fiber]

He said his bro was lol

[fickle juniper]

So zero context from my pov LOL

Oh fk

LOL

misunderstood

The msg

But anyway congrats on the promo to staff @vivid fiber

[vivid fiber]

Thanks 😊

[tight gale]

Wow our first staff in #canada

[vivid fiber]

There r none cuz I took em all

😈

[fickle juniper]

depends where you are in Canada

wages/CoL in Van is much lower than in Seattle

in Van CoL is high AND pay isn't commensurate

[fierce lotus]

I mean no job in deadmonton will pay 150k so...

[novel dome]

Rich get richer

[fierce lotus]

Oil

[zinc knot]

I pay $2 for my spotify

We are definitely not the same

[zinc knot]

Intuit says hi

[fierce lotus]

New grad?

[zinc knot]

ofc lol what else

no internship would pay 150k

[fierce lotus]

Damn

Good deal

[soft hamlet]

half of that

[zinc knot]

Winter is gonna be my season

Fall crushed my soul

[soft hamlet]

not purely off internship

also this is if extended to a year or whatever

so not super impressive

[boreal sorrel]

they dont pay 150k ng wtf, that too in yeg lol

[zinc knot]

i've heard its around 120-140 tho

[boreal sorrel]

not sure of 2023 but Ik some Senior SWE getting like TC of 150k CAD in Toronto so unless they jumped up a lot in one year, 120-140k in yeg for ng is high af

[tawny raptor]

50/h intern is prob 150 ng

[zinc knot]

oh damn

[zinc knot]

i know people with intern salaries around that yeah

upper 40s

@boreal sorrel how's your ng search going

gonna stay where you are rn?

[tawny raptor]

School: UWaterloo
Prior Experience: 4 internships at local startups

Company: Intuit
Title: Software Engineer Intern
Location: Toronto, ON
Duration: 12 weeks
Salary: $50/hr CAD + 1.5x overtime (negotiated)

[boreal sorrel]

i think im done with it already just playing around to see what's out there

[tawny raptor]

someone just posted this

in another server

[zinc knot]

where at

[tawny raptor]

cs majors

[zinc knot]

damn not planning to go back?

oh done with it

makes sense

[boreal sorrel]

yeah as in mostly going back

[zinc knot]

intern cycles are so so bad

im prolly gonna delay my grad :/

[boreal sorrel]

conversion is way better than ng hunt holy shit

esp if locked to canada only

[zinc knot]

i could only pray for a decent intern -> fulltime pipeline rn

[real storm]

facts

Anyone looking for ng without intern convert is fucked rn

Including me

[spice flame]

solved like 3 2d DPs at stackadapt, still took the L

[placid dawn]

is this cause i already applied to zon post

[limber dirge]

lol that was me

[limber dirge]

NG is less than that i think its ~130

[sand narwhal]

i just emailed them and

[placid dawn]

[kindred burrow]

Have heard they're not giving their summer 2023 interns return offer according to some reddit post

[sudden spruce]

someone plz give fall job

🥺

[lunar sandal]

Chin up boys

Walmart is hiring 🙂 ( I think )

[vapid latch]

is there any point in trying to negotiate an offer if u have no competing offers

[lunar sandal]

No

[boreal sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/canadian-flag-canada-bored-driving-waving-flag-gif-13548530

any canada day plans

[boreal sentinel]

but low salary land is also no guns land 😎

wait is that lassonde

[soft hamlet]

💀

[boreal sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/canada-healthcare-canadian-healthcare-minecraft-an-eggs-guide-to-minecraft-gif-21900595

[mental monolith]

still no offer for FT damn

[tranquil goblet]

anyone know what the passing bar is for coursera OA

[tight gale]

ft?

[tranquil goblet]

intern

[cinder kraken]

Did anyone from Canada get Coursera phone interview?

After OA

[tranquil goblet]

i just did

literally right after OA lol

[cinder kraken]

You got phone?

Also did you say you had no work authorization for US

in hackerrank, i was wondering if that affects my chances

[tranquil goblet]

uh i forgot what i put for authorization tbh

i think i put in the comments that im a canadian citizen tho

but the job is in canada tho..? i applied to the canada posting

[cinder kraken]

Ah i see, I put something liek that

Also roughly after how much time did you hear back?

[tranquil goblet]

10 minutes lol

im guessing the process is automated cuz ive never had a turn around that fast

[zinc knot]

I didn’t even get the OA

Deadge

[wooden lichen]

ik bro

[fickle juniper]

That’s actually not a bad analogy

It’s a numbers game

[fickle juniper]

hey

[tight gale]

Hi

[analog current]

hey

[pallid reef]

yoo

[fickle juniper]

hey

hi

[muted portal]

hey me too

[zinc knot]

Same

[tight gale]

Same

[fickle juniper]

Same

[wheat comet]

Same

[soft hamlet]

I'm just hoping for a good winter and summer

[placid dawn]

thx god i wont be here in winter

[wheat comet]

BROOOOOOOOO

give me internship.

[vapid latch]

is it common to not get benefits during coop/internships?

by benefits i mean like dental, insurance etc.

[fickle juniper]

Usually no

Tho I’m sure there are exceptions

[vapid latch]

kk

yea i was just curious

not interning at FAANG or anything so my expectation was no benefits

[vapid latch]

yeah my senior eng friend also told me that much

makes sense

thank u :)

[wooden lichen]

please

[tight gale]

Yo

[limber dirge]

Are they hiring still?

[tranquil goblet]

anyone here interview for Coursera before?

[storm stream]

🤦🏼‍♂️

When wil companies learn that TN doesn't require sponsorship

[fickle juniper]

It’s a pretty hard sell usually if u need some kind of visa, whether sponsored or not

[pallid reef]

hi

[fickle juniper]

hi

[placid dawn]

hi

[limber dirge]

canada 🇨🇦

[fickle juniper]

canada 🇨🇦

[brave fable]

it’s technically not sponsorship, but TN visas still cost the company quite a bit in legal fees

and it can take multiple weeks to prepare TN support documents

[fickle juniper]

Yeah, there’s also a lot of uncertainty with TN if they let the candidate take the initiative and without an in-house team. If they do preprocessing, at that point its basically like they’re sponsoring u anyway

[vivid fiber]

Unicorn startups do as well

Along with some big companies

[fickle juniper]

Yeah the whole “TN doesn’t need sponsorship” is actually more of a misnomer than this example imo

[storm stream]

what fees? you just get it at the airport

[fickle juniper]

There’s a lot of documentation required to be sure the TN will be processed as expected

Who’s going to draft that letter for u? It ain’t hr

For example the lawyers that our company used went thru every course I took and picked and chose the ones to use in the letter that would fit the “software engineer” role

And told me what to do, which POEs to avoid, flagged any possible concerns, answered all my qs, etc

[storm stream]

what letter?

oh really?

[fickle juniper]

The signed letter with the details of ur offer, why ur a good fit for the software engineer role, etc

U could potentially do all this urself yes

[storm stream]

is that needed tho?

yeah exactly

[fickle juniper]

But what company would take that chance on u lol

Imagine u told ur company

I’ll only know if I can actually get into the us legally to work for u

10 days before my start date

Because I’ll do all the immigration stuff myself

Btw I’m a 22yr old undergrad looking for my first job, never did this before and I just graduated from a degree in cs, no law knowledge or exp other than stuff I read on discord

Yeah good luck selling that

[fickle juniper]

The fact that u didn’t even know what letter is exactly why “TN doesn’t need sponsorship” is a misnomer

Immigration isn’t building a fullstack application in Nextjs, pretty hard to just YouTube how to do it

[storm stream]

there is no "TN letter"

[fickle juniper]

How will u convince

[storm stream]

there is supporting documents that you can prep yourself or with a lawyer

[fickle juniper]

The cpb agent

That u can enter the us on a TN visa

[fickle juniper]

Sure definitely

But what company

Will take that chance on u

And will u pay for this lawyer out of pocket?

Or will the company pay for it? In which case they’re sponsoring u (tho not visa sponsorship)

[storm stream]

you either qualify or you don't there's no chance?

[fickle juniper]

I agree it’s semantics

But I can see why they see it the same way

[storm stream]

if you prep and you have your documents it's pretty straightforward

[fickle juniper]

Have u gone thru the tn process?

[storm stream]

no have you?

[fickle juniper]

Yes

Lol

[fickle juniper]

So u have 0 exp with this

I’m assuming ur just going off what u saw on discord/Reddit

[storm stream]

so what part of the process was up to chance?

[fickle juniper]

The actual part

Where u go to the cpb agent

And convince them why u can enter the us

[brave fable]

it’s not straightforward at all, they’re extremely stringent when they examine the support letter

they can reject you for many reasons

[fickle juniper]

If I could show u my letter

U would understand

[storm stream]

I know but don't you think if you know the requirements and you're well prepared?

[fickle juniper]

How do u know the requirements in the first place m8

[fickle juniper]

If u say “look it up”

I’m done lol

[brave fable]

my company gave me a whole binder full of documents to take, and I sure as hell couldn’t have written them on my own

[fickle juniper]

Same

[storm stream]

LOL why you in your feelings tho

OK I'll tell you what I think pls correct me

from my research

[fickle juniper]

I meant to say “if u say “look it up”, I’m done lol”

[storm stream]

I didn't you can take a deep breath

[fickle juniper]

That’s the thing, I don’t even have the expertise to be comfortable to do this for u

[storm stream]

let me find I wrote it down a while ago

well you can say based on you binder

I'm not really arguing lol

I just wanna show yall what I know and feel free to tell me I'm wrong

[fickle juniper]

Ok well i g2g for now but sure, I’ll check it out l8r

[storm stream]

• offer letter
• official transcript
• official degree
• Department of Labor’s ONET manual “Software Engineer” as an alternate title for “Software Developer.”
• Department of Labor’s Occupational Outlook Handbook that lists CS is requirement
• Cronin (2000) memo that states degree should be in a close field, aka CS degree for SWE, since it's not on USMCA list

[fickle juniper]

My only point is pretty much this

[fickle juniper]

Yeah u lost me m8, go talk to a lawyer lol

[storm stream]

[brave fable]

do u have an offer tho?

[storm stream]

I wish

[brave fable]

doing this yourself is pretty risky, and companies have legal teams to handle these things

[storm stream]

I would talk to a lawyer 100%

[brave fable]

and they probably won’t even agree to let you write these documents yourself

[storm stream]

I agree it's easy to fuck up... too many stories of people getting turned away

[oblique crater]

okay this is a process that’s akin to a sponsorship but even if you’ve done it once before successfully (as the company) you’re more likely to keep doing it

[brave fable]

also, the support letter needs to be on the company letterhead with a wet ink signature

[storm stream]

offer letter isn't enough?

[brave fable]

nah, they care about the support letter way more

[oblique crater]

the binder isn’t unique applicant to applicant, the one document that has the lawyer looking at your courses is a few hours of lawyers which is a low cost in the grand scheme of your TC

I think any company worth their salt wouldn’t have an issue doing any of this but if they just don’t budget for outside applicants at all then you get lumped in with H1B because they just don’t wanna bother with any paperwork period

[storm stream]

True.. I'm sure it's not that hard to find a lawyer that's dealt with TN before

[storm stream]

any idea what it would say?

[fickle juniper]

U can say this about any of the processes in the other visa apps. The only real difference is this requirement for “visa sponsorship”. However from the perspective of the company it’s just more legal costs

Which is why I’m saying this

[storm stream]

So what was in the binder? @fickle juniper

is it a secret?

[brave fable]

You should probably worry about this after getting an offer, because legal will handle it

[storm stream]

Honestly I'm just curious

It's good to know

[fickle juniper]

iirc one of the things was a Taylor swift concert ticket, but I kept that without telling the lawyers

If u actually want to know feel free to dm and I can dig it up

[storm stream]

Maybe if by some miracle I get an offer

merci

[brave fable]

are you interviewing anywhere rn?

[storm stream]

Nah... only had 1 interview in the past 5 months

[brave fable]

u should apply to Canadian companies too

[storm stream]

I am trust

barely any new grad out there rn.... waiting for hiring season

[placid dawn]

day 4 of waiting for IT to give me laptop credentials

[fickle juniper]

wha?

[fickle juniper]

that blows bruh

u have your laptop but can't get into it?

[worldly ridge]

Hellow Canadians!

[placid dawn]

[storm stream]

oh so you're on paid vacation? sweet

[barren sinew]

I'd still apply to smaller American companies. Most start ups I talked to had no problem with TNs

[barren sinew]

Are you in Bellingham?

[fickle juniper]

close to Bellingham currently, but temporary

[barren sinew]

Where are you off to then?

Btw how is living in Bellingham

[fickle juniper]

im planning to move to Seattle, or maybe even closer to Bellingham

ig to be clear am not at Bellingham atm

which one of y'all was this: https://dailyhive.com/canada/man-sprints-canadian-border-peace-arch

[placid dawn]

idk am I lol

cant wait to wake up to 20 rejection emails tmorrow

[boreal sentinel]

gem of a channel

[grave quest]

[tough knot]

anyone that has exp with securing multiple internships, can you take a quick look at my resume (just want some feedback), lmk

[fickle juniper]

Could post in #1019675142248468601

[tough knot]

yeah, was going to initially, but saw many had no comments

I did, you need your parents 2022 tax info

Did they? I thought they asked for 2021 info?

[placid dawn]

ton of senior positions

[worn moss]

bro

does any1 else suffer with working remote

like deadass just not being able to do work at home

/ does any1 have advice

[worldly ridge]

get a herman miller and another monitor for games

another for youtube and twitcy

another one for browsing reddif

[topaz linden]

I just go to campus to work, different environment

[placid dawn]

should i choose an angular or spring boot team

[lusty roost]

Spring

[soft hamlet]

angular is way more pain

[lunar sandal]

Choose the team where ur hourly wage is the highest

[placid dawn]

same pay

[lunar sandal]

Choose the one with less work

[vivid fiber]

Do you wanna do frontend or backend?

[vapid latch]

do backend

i see spring boot being asked at a lot of companies

[placid dawn]

i did react for a year

love it but think ima try spring

to have more skills

[vivid fiber]

If you already have frontend exp then I'd say go spring

It'll help diversify your exp and make you more fit as a full stack dev

[hybrid owl]

Java legacy code is the worst tho lmao

Esp spring boot

wanted to rip my brains out

[vivid fiber]

No pain, no gain

I had to migrate some legacy Java code that interopped with Node.js that called C++ code once

That was true hell

[hybrid owl]

rip

[vapid latch]

thoughts on ruby on rails?

[soft hamlet]

shopify pipeline time?

[vivid fiber]

Mature and very powerful framework

Imo falling out of fashion with newer companies but still very good

[vapid latch]

im working w a newer company and they use it

but nice

i think ill request to get put working on backend if they can

[crude saddle]

go to the office

unironically tho,
-switch rooms if possible
-if u have multiple computers dedicate one for work
-if you can dual boot use a different, clean OS install for work
-turn off all social notifications

[fickle juniper]

Try working at Starbucks

[storm stream]

need a room that doesn't have your gaming rig or bed in it... if it's boring or you can't focus you try do like bursts of work... have a podcast/video running in the back... make a to do list at the beginning of the day and make sure you follow it throughout and you're on track

[placid dawn]

is IBM actually hiring or what

rejected 5 times yet seeing the same postings over

how it go

[tranquil goblet]

i got an interview with them coming up, in email they said no live coding so prob just resume stuff

[tight gale]

Depends on the issue, if it's always looking at phone keep it out of reach, to get into the mindset make sure you shower in the morning and put on presentable clothes. Make sure you aren't being disturbed, when I was working I told all my gfs I would be dnd.

[eternal fossil]

What role

Ah ok

No

[oblique crater]

I followed/ try to follow all the advice above and it helps but I’m in the same boat dude

I found a coffee shop to frequent once or twice a week and that helps a ton, then taking frequent walks, or doing passive activities like reading or a meeting or something else on a couch, in a different room, kitchen table etc

[vapid latch]

god damn great advice

[lunar sandal]

who tf keeps deleting messages

and why?

[eternal fossil]

Idk

There was no revealing of info

[lunar sandal]

genuinely

no one knows anyone here

what the fuck is the point of sending and then deleting

"you can dox me" bro u are not that important 💀

[eternal fossil]

🤣🤣

[lunar sandal]

i swear

[vapid latch]

no bueno

[zinc knot]

Garbage

only pain

[soft hamlet]

pain.

in.

[muted portal]

.

[soft hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-troll-face-gif-25116980

[vast aspen]

Anyone doing a Fall 2023 co-op in Waterloo?

[earnest mortar]

Yooo how’d u afford this