canada

[analog current]

y’all rmb in elementary we had to sing that shit everyday

i still didn’t learn the song 💀

well it’s not a song

but potato, potato 🥔

[oblique crater]

most patriotic canadian

[analog current]

i was such a dumb monkey back then (still am)

[lucid berry]

we never sang that

[thick sinew]

for fall?

[paper ether]

@unreal field @thick sinew both yes

[thick sinew]

ottawa?

[thick sinew]

also congrats man

[soft hamlet]

Yeeeee

GG

Ez dabloons

[primal pier]

does rbc require you to be in co-op? anyone did internship with rbc before without being in co-op?

did it say co-op

in ur position title?

like "developer co-op winter 2023"

no like

when they emailed u

ok gotcha

[wooden lichen]

wdym they take anyone for summer

it’s light to get a position?

[thick sinew]

nah they just dont explicity require that you be in a formal co-op program

is what he meant I believe

how was it

also what were ur stats when u got in

if u dont mind sharing

[worldly ridge]

https://globalnews.ca/news/9732802/shopify-layoffs-company-faces-class-action-over-severance-offers/

Our tech giant

[paper ether]

not our shopify

brother how does one decide between Nokia and Kinaxis and the current company im at

[worldly ridge]

they gonan do another mass layoffs iif they fail

[normal jetty]

Which type of dev

[paper ether]

Nokia is IT Dev, Kinaxis is Algorithms Dev

[normal jetty]

I’d suggest trying different companies so current company is out of question

[paper ether]

yeah i agree

[normal jetty]

Algorithms dev at kinaxis is a scam it’s QA

[paper ether]

is it?

[normal jetty]

Yes the description is QA ..

It has the word “algorithm quality “ in the description right

I might be tripping so double check

[paper ether]

okay because in the interview they said that this specific team doesn't do much bug fixing, mostly features

https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/co-op-intern-developer-algorithms-business-applications-at-kinaxis-3603437363/?originalSubdomain=ca

it's Algorithms, Business applications

I hope they don't scam I'll try and setup a chat with them tomorrow

[normal jetty]

What does the description of IT dev at Nokia say

[normal jetty]

Cuz this one isn’t that bad, I was thinking of the algorithms, quality roles

[paper ether]

What you will learn and contribute to

As part of the team, you will:
Develop automated dashboards on Power BI and self-service reporting tools.
Automate business process by building tools and data forms.
Develop web applications using Firebase and Angular JS.
Test application workflows and log issues on GitLab.
Work in Public Cloud environments such as Google Cloud Platform, AWS, Azure
Your skills and experience

Education Recommendations
Currently a candidate for Bachelors degree or diploma in Computer Science, Computer Systems Engineering or related field with an accredited school in Canada.

You have :
SharePoint Online and/or Designer website development experience
Experience working with the SharePoint App model (provider hosted and/or SharePoint hosted)
Experience programming VBA in Office applications

It would be nice if you also had:
Knowledge of ASP.NET / C# .NET / REST / MVC / CDN/ JSON
Knowledge of SharePoint Server Side and Client-Side Object Model
Knowledge of SharePoint Designer Workflows
Previous experience with Visual Studio and Microsoft Team Foundation Services
Knowledge of public cloud environments such as Google Cloud Platform, AWS, Azure

But the interviewer didn't know what Angular was

or Firebase

so umm doubt

[normal jetty]

Is kinaxis 26 per hour

And Nokia 29

[paper ether]

no clue

they havent send official offer

Kinaxis

nokia is 29

I got a verbal offer from Kinaxis

[normal jetty]

How much time do u have

To accept

[paper ether]

36 hours

from now

I will get my official Kinaxis offer later before

[normal jetty]

Ok, see when u get it hm salary is

[paper ether]

I think if it was 25/26 i would be okay

[normal jetty]

Low key I’m confused which one to pick too

[paper ether]

exactly my point bro

if it's 29 instant Kinaxis

[normal jetty]

Are u doing embedded at ciena rn

[paper ether]

no i am doing Backend at a startup

much more than backend

it is quite involved

[normal jetty]

Is it one from the coop portal

[paper ether]

yeah

well last year

last semester

[normal jetty]

Imrsv ?

[paper ether]

Bluwave

[normal jetty]

Ok

[paper ether]

pay is bad, no hybrid

dont come

but i LOVE the work

u had an interview at Ouster right @normal jetty ?

[normal jetty]

If u take Nokia or kinaxis, u should cap and change the titles to software dev

Instead of it dev

They won’t be able to confirm it

[paper ether]

I did with my company rn

[normal jetty]

Yeah I did

[paper ether]

and kinaxis is basically software dev

how did it go?

[normal jetty]

It went well I think

[paper ether]

yeah same

[normal jetty]

Haven’t heard back tho

[paper ether]

same

the guy was SOO chill

lmfao

[normal jetty]

I guess it was yesterday so makessense

[paper ether]

yeah what time was urs

[normal jetty]

Yeah I wasn’t expecting it to be so chill

11:30

[paper ether]

was urs a front-end role scamaz

[normal jetty]

Yeah lmao

[paper ether]

HAHA

same

[normal jetty]

They posted the wrong one and he asked if I was ok still

[paper ether]

yeah same

[normal jetty]

But the actual application is so cool

[paper ether]

yeah its so sick

i was like god damn this is sick

[normal jetty]

Yeah I think everyone who interviewed probably said that

[paper ether]

just sucks its Chinatown

and in person

everyday

yeah

exactly

on top of La Dolce Vita

is what he said to me

haha

[magic perch]

Would any of you go from a 90k+ low stress new grad role -> kinda prestigious intern role?

[paper ether]

brother no

never in my life

unless it's like PRESTIGE

especially in Canada

90k is quite good

for new grad

[magic perch]

would msft be prestigious enough

[paper ether]

yes

actually

hmm

if u trust urself enough

to get a return offer

then yes

[worldly ridge]

prayuge for return offer

[magic perch]

im FT at a bank rn, considering internships again. Bc otherwise fulltime field is bleak

[paper ether]

but what if you dont get a return offer

you're basically uhhh

destroyed in today's market

[magic perch]

yeah it's def a risk

[paper ether]

in 2021 market i would say YES!

but today

it's just not worth I think

[normal jetty]

Msft Vancouver right

[magic perch]

yee

[normal jetty]

It’s not 25/hr right

[paper ether]

idk 90k is quite a good amount of money

[normal jetty]

Career growth wise it could help a lot to have Msft on resume

[paper ether]

thats like 50/hr

[normal jetty]

But ppl also go from 1-2 yrs at bank to better places after

[paper ether]

me when Health Canada just sent me an interview request, like okay pal

[magic perch]

i do have another big tech on resume from past internship

[paper ether]

@magic perch then just don't rn

like unless ur willing to risk it

[normal jetty]

What’s ur grad date

[paper ether]

but i personally wouldn't be able to do that to myself

[magic perch]

already working, graduated april

[normal jetty]

I’m assuming ur extending to do internship

O shit

Tbh U should ask more qualified ppl cuz rn it’s blind leading blind

[paper ether]

true

that's facts

[pseudo storm]

@magic perch how can you apply to do an internship when you already graduated?

[paper ether]

cuz graduated in the last 6 months

right?

co-op board

yeah like no ty

idek why i applied

LOL

[magic perch]

some places allow recent grad interns yeah

[worldly ridge]

@magic perch go overmployed

[paper ether]

lowkey could be possible if u wanna work 60 hours a week

[magic perch]

LOL MSFT Intern + FT bank

[worldly ridge]

yes

[magic perch]

MSFT Vancouver and current job in Toronto unfortunately

[paper ether]

can't remote it?

[magic perch]

Not sure, maybe. But I couldnt do both lol. Would end up fired from both places

[normal jetty]

No u wouldn’t

[pseudo storm]

@magic perch i interned there in 2021, it was pretty easy to get return offer

but tbh I wouldn't do it

mainly the risk is too great imo

[normal jetty]

U only live once YOLO

Plus if u can do ur main bank work during 9-12 then do Msft 12-8

I’m not being serious

[magic perch]

it's hybrid 3 days in person lol

[pallid reef]

congrats on offer, which one do u tend to choose?

• you guys prefer more internships over graduating in 4 years?

[analog current]

both

i have 1 year of coop experience and will graduate in 4 years

don’t be like those “i’m a 6th year” lol

people will be nice to u but they internally cringe

trust me on dis

[paper ether]

I don’t know 😭😭😭

[worldly ridge]

Do overemployed -> Buy a condo in toronto like @weak gazelle in Harborfront -> Become a landlord -> HELOC multiple properties -> you are a multi millionaire

[pallid reef]

100%

[worldly ridge]

I am your landlord @weak gazelle

[paper ether]

brother who new kinaxis was 28/h

[paper ether]

tru actually

[analog current]

u shouldnt trust me

bitch ass mf

just said 100%

maybe im full of shit

[paper ether]

LOL

im doing 5 years

well grad in december instead of may

[pallid reef]

i’m sure u r lol

[pallid reef]

as long as resume is lit and pockets are full

[analog current]

yes im sure

ive been failing upwards

since i was born

[lunar sandal]

yall hearing back from kinaxis?

[analog current]

dog water

all the companies in canada are dog water

dog water pay

dog water name brand

dog water tech

dog water “processes”

[paper ether]

yeah

[lunar sandal]

wtf did u have on ur resume

[paper ether]

just one internship and TA

[lunar sandal]

fuck i shudve UPDATED it with my current internship

[paper ether]

got an offer

yeah i have been denied from probably 15 kinaxis roles

LOL

[pallid reef]

is it a nice company or som

cause i’ve seen a ton of roles open and never heard about it before

what does nokia even do lol

i remember them being big af

[lunar sandal]

tbh im surprised nokia even EXISTS

like who tf is buying their shit

[pallid reef]

that’s what i’m saying💀

like the fuck

@paper ether u gotta take the offer to tell us what they do

[paper ether]

yeah the office is bussin

Kinaxis does supply chain management

they don't have many customers

but their market cap is quite big

1.7 Billion

for a company from ottawa is crazy

LOL

[pallid reef]

sounds like better than nokia

fo sure

[paper ether]

the position i was offered at nokia

was IT developer

basically the team worked with a lot of networking stuff

[pallid reef]

fucking pascal developer

[paper ether]

power bi!

WOOHOO

[pallid reef]

like how does nokia earn money

lol

power bi

[paper ether]

netowrking stuff

mobile and fixed

[pallid reef]

are u into backend stuff?

[paper ether]

yeah that's what im doing rn

[pallid reef]

makes sense

i wonder, do DS, ML jobs care about gpa more than SWE

[paper ether]

probs

but meh im doing a data structures job and my gpa isnt great

like its good

[lunar sandal]

yeah why the fuck does blackberry even exist

[paper ether]

probably similar

[lunar sandal]

honestly what is keeping these companies afloat

[paper ether]

pivoted from phones

other tech stuff

[lunar sandal]

BLACKBERRY WILL HAVE a legacy system with fossil SWE team

but ghost me

the audacity

[paper ether]

they do cyber security and IOT now

allegedly

HAHAHA

[lunar sandal]

j

you sound like u seen some shit

oh

can ur mom give me a referral

[pallid reef]

good is 3.7-3.8?

[lunar sandal]

how do yk im not just a mature student back in uni or smth

oh

[analog current]

relo/housing bonus?

[paper ether]

i didnt have to so no

[paper ether]

yea its 3.78

[analog current]

i make double that

🤓

[analog current]

{super big company}

Cisco maybe

[lunar sandal]

cisco does not pay that much lol

[analog current]

arista networks is close too

[analog current]

Why

cuz it’s cisco

Ik a lot of ppl making 50 + bonus as interns

So im assuming theyd make more as new grads

my base is 50+

[lunar sandal]

50???

AS INTERN?

[analog current]

Yes

i got 10k for relocation

[lunar sandal]

bro i did their OA last fall looking back it was so fucking easy

[tawny raptor]

No

[lunar sandal]

and they get 50 /??

[analog current]

Yes

[tawny raptor]

6k/mo arista

[analog current]

i got offer for 7k a month

[lunar sandal]

WHAT

[analog current]

Where?

i get 52 rn at {big name} as an intern

[tawny raptor]

Current rate is 6k which is way less than 50/h

[analog current]

L

when i interviewed

it was 7k a month

[lunar sandal]

yall gotta be some

waterloo kids

or some shit

50 is crazy

[analog current]

no bro ur just under a rock

no it’s low compared to US kids

[lunar sandal]

for intern?

are u serious?

[analog current]

also my internship is only 4 months

YA BRO

HOW ARE U IN THIS SERVER

AND NOT KNOW

THE MONEY GOING AROUND

[analog current]

Nope, i had 1 internship and I go to mac and I got 40 + bonus at cisco

IF ONE MORE PERSON ASKS WHERE I WORK

[lunar sandal]

wtf

[analog current]

ILL KMS

[lunar sandal]

stop caps its annoying

[analog current]

no

[storm sierra]

where do u work @analog current

[lunar sandal]

thanks

[analog current]

Wallah

it was nice knowing y’all

time to rope

Transfer ur offer over before you leave us please 🙏

no

i’ll give it to my homies

[lunar sandal]

bro

what year are you

[analog current]

not mfs on discord

[analog current]

Going into 4th

[lunar sandal]

ahhh

[analog current]

@lunar sandal where do u study

[lunar sandal]

wait this was 4th yea rinternship?

[analog current]

Nothing, pass background check

[lunar sandal]

uoft cs

[analog current]

do u talk to anyone in ur school?

[lunar sandal]

no i dont make any cs friends

[analog current]

explains why u don’t know how much money goes around

[lunar sandal]

atleast not in my year

bro ik ppl from my school

new grads

struggling

and ur here telling me money going around

[analog current]

u talk to the bottom buckets

[lunar sandal]

hmm maybe

[analog current]

no most definitely

people at my school think u need to have years of exp to earn 100k

they usually struggle w basic cs too

[lunar sandal]

intern

fall23

i alr got summer

[analog current]

how’s snowflake

i saw few mfs interview there

[lunar sandal]

snowflake OA

nuff said

[analog current]

i closed the oa

after 3 mins

i knew i wasn’t getting it

[lunar sandal]

i dont see no intern postings on the site

[torn roost]

I've always wondered if you would consider them bottom or average... hard to tell exact ratio

[analog current]

average ones know what’s up, they just don’t get to taste it

they would be

ud be surprised

[lunar sandal]

cisco posting

for fall

isnt out

[analog current]

how many morons get into these unis

[lunar sandal]

is it?

[analog current]

i’ve seen some dumb motherfuckers get into top unis

including stanford

[lunar sandal]

aight u sound like ur a first year

these are thoughts i had when i was first year

[analog current]

sit down brother

[lunar sandal]

rlly shows the gap

[analog current]

i’ve earned my shit talking abilities

[lunar sandal]

wait r u going into 4th

[analog current]

i have 2-3 more terms left

[lunar sandal]

or grad soon

ah

[analog current]

depending on if i wanna do another internship or not

i’m waiting for big g posting to come out

[torn roost]

@analog current which uni you from?

[analog current]

if i tell u, u can easily find my linkedin

but it’s not t3

it’s a shitty school

[torn roost]

Alright

[analog current]

i wish

think uvic, concordia, sfu, guelph

that tier

[torn roost]

Also random question - I was asked this yesterday do you guys think there is difference between lower - universities in Canada, besides like top 5?

[analog current]

inside canada or outside

[lunar sandal]

i would say no

[analog current]

outside canada, not even ubc is relevant

[torn roost]

For getting CS job, Canada unis

[lunar sandal]

a friend of mine who connected with his UBER DRIVER said he saw the man get a full time offer before him

at a no name college

[analog current]

💀

[torn roost]

The question was about Brock vs Western

[analog current]

it’s all rng

[sour lark]

live is rng

[analog current]

did u just bring western down to brock level

[sour lark]

just get lucky

win the lottery one time ur good for life

[analog current]

amen

[torn roost]

Yea but I was wondering if it really makes a difference

Idk much about Western

[analog current]

if ur going for jobs outside of canada no

[sour lark]

it does in canada idk about in us tho

[analog current]

if inside Canada, yes

[sour lark]

but for cs at western vs cs at brock probably not?

[analog current]

western cs gets a lot of 2nd hand prestige for their finance stuff

brock ain’t got shit

[sour lark]

ik western has a nice eng bus double degree

[analog current]

do they even have a coop office?

[torn roost]

Yea they said they both had co-op

[analog current]

that’s a top tier degree, u can easily interview at quant shops w it

[analog current]

are u in hs?

[torn roost]

Lmao

[sour lark]

fr? didnt realize it was that cracked

how compared to UW CS/BBA

[analog current]

ya they ain’t too bad

[analog current]

not that cracked lol

[torn roost]

No

[analog current]

depends on the firm

[sour lark]

yeah imma disagree w u then

im in CS/BBA

at UW

not cracked lmao

[worthy fjord]

all schools the same except loo simple as that broski

[analog current]

ya u are

mf capping

[analog current]

uoft is close to loo too

[sour lark]

why would i cap

[analog current]

just go to harvard….that simple

if not harvard then stanford

ez

mcgill

[sour lark]

CS/BBA at UW is not cracked to the point where quants are jumping to interview you

[analog current]

bo one is giving mcgill any love anymore

[analog current]

they wont JUMP to interview u, but u got the right projects and keywords

[lunar sandal]

quant needs

[analog current]

u def will get an interview

[lunar sandal]

putnam

[torn roost]

Yea, that's what I thought although I didn't know how high Western ranks at the time. Told them to go to whatever is closer to home/higher scholarship

[lunar sandal]

and gpa

[analog current]

cant say the same for other canadian unis

other canadians won’t even get looked at

[sour lark]

yeah thats probably fair

[analog current]

the bba shows ur interest in the field

[sour lark]

the BBA is so useless

[analog current]

• gpa boost

[sour lark]

^ thats the truth

[analog current]

i got an A in econ without opening the book once

i cant imagine the other biz classes

it’s probably free As all year round

[sour lark]

just hopping that the BBA somehow helps me pivot to management in the future

[analog current]

it probably will help u

never hurts to have fancy credentials

[sour lark]

already on 3B term too late to turn back now

[analog current]

lmao

sunk cost fallacy

[torn roost]

Make a startup 🙃

[analog current]

oh ya

[sour lark]

ruined someone future

[analog current]

can get vcs to give u free monie

[sour lark]

somewhat ture

[analog current]

see mf

[sour lark]

my friend almost got 500k from YC

[analog current]

the gap is starting to show

kids at my school can’t do their hw

and get min wage coops

[sour lark]

kids at my school ONLY do their homework

[analog current]

and they write c++03 in their coops

[sour lark]

and dont go outside

[torn roost]

...And I thought uoft sucks

[lunar sandal]

no that sounds pretty uoft

[sour lark]

also what ive heard about uoft

[sour lark]

bro what

[torn roost]

Yea I heard good things about waterloo social life though

Maybe that changed

[sour lark]

the BBA side is super social

[torn roost]

Someone told my class in HS waterloo kids get less HW so they could focus on co-op search

[sour lark]

in first year i had 3 assignments a week 1 calc 1 algebra one programming each took 6-15 hours on top of two quizzes a week in calc and algebra as well

and two other classes

[topaz linden]

^

Bba has no boost for quants, u need math lol

[sour lark]

yes quant research/trading hire mostly math majors

quant firms hire CS and SE majors for SE roles

but few CS get quant

[analog current]

yes

they do

they hire everyone

last year they hired everyone and their mother

[pallid reef]

wtf u work for

[analog current]

OH MY GOD

STOP ASKING THIS

OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD

12312123 mfs in my dm asked too

[pallid reef]

hahahaha why

[analog current]

STOP

[pallid reef]

aight

[analog current]

yus

[pallid reef]

fr?

[analog current]

why would i lie

they hired like 234234234 interns this year

its pre common

[pallid reef]

fucking crazy

[analog current]

everywhere i go i see [company] interns

[pallid reef]

is it ur second or third internship?

[analog current]

2nd

[pallid reef]

nice

hope it’ll be the same for 2024

[analog current]

u probs will be if u get lucky

its nothing but luck

[pallid reef]

when do the applications open

like sept

[analog current]

donno

i applied last year

[pallid reef]

congrats u r huge

r u huge irl btw?

[analog current]

my nose is indeed huge

if thats what ur asking

[pallid reef]

that’s dope

[analog current]

hows having a huge nose dope

[pallid reef]

[torn roost]

Didn't he mention he was working at Walmart?

They did have some mass hiring iirc

[brave fable]

jfyi, Microsoft and its subsidiaries didn’t give out return offers this past spring for fall/winter interns

[analog current]

shiver me some timber

4 bucks here n there

[brave fable]

maybe there were a few fall return offers, but I know for sure there weren’t any winter return offers

[tight gale]

Another day

[analog current]

[robust lotus]

Are there actually a lot of companies that will only consider waterloo/uoft/ubc

Like is Utsc vs Carleton actually not even close

[fickle juniper]

I wanna say that there are enough companies that don't do this that it shouldn't really matter

[brave fable]

utsc is way better tho overall

if you’re in-stream, then CS POSt is pretty easy to get into

[thick sinew]

has anyone done technical systems analyst at RBC before?

really?

was ur interview 1.5 hours with behavioural + technical?

also what term length

[tranquil goblet]

anyone interview for blackberry recently?

is it LC style? .. is it worth doing if u dont wanna go full time with them? tihs is prob gonna be my last internship

[thick sinew]

which manager

I took bb last fall

you can pm if you want

[tranquil goblet]

will do!

[loud belfry]

[thick sinew]

ah okay i have 30 minutes

what position was it

oh okay im going for tsa as well

for 12 months

when was ur interview

[unreal field]

last term

[thick sinew]

ah I see

[thick sinew]

was it lc style or like behavioural

[soft hamlet]

I did a behavioral interview with the compatibility department that does more system design stuff and we talked about Minecraft versioning for 20 mins lol

[thick sinew]

oh okay lmao

what made u think that the interview was bad

it sounds like it couldnt have been that bad

did they specify anything about legacy systems in the interview 😭

or in the email

[worthy fjord]

rbc always a hit or miss sometimes its chill other times they grill you on the most random shit

[lunar sandal]

Nope nope nope and nope !

[paper ether]

none

:)

[sour lark]

heard from RBC TD Ceridian Intuit and Omers for some roles not others

[analog current]

Brother intuit brother intuit brother intuit

[novel dome]

drop ur resume good sire

[sour lark]

Full stack, front-end eng, back end eng

I have 3 prev internships

Yes

[lunar sandal]

can we do > 1 co op?

throughout uni

[primal pier]

did anyone do rbc qts dev interview?

[analog current]

throughout life

[lunar sandal]

i have the perfect roast but ur not worth wasting my breath over

thanks for the ans btw

LTG moment 🙏

[analog current]

Same

[novel dome]

update: i did hear back from ceridian

Does Ceridian care about you being in a co-op program?

[hot rapids]

Take it easy fellas, no need to be toxic :)

[lunar sandal]

thanks! 🙂

[lunar sandal]

read the server name, then try to intuit the attitude, behavior and physical appearance of the average member (non europe bc no one does this for money there) and then reflect on what u just said

[analog current]

@lunar sandal

[indigo storm]

to anyone that's done interview with rbc for internship in the past, how long should you be expecting to get an outcome after an interview?

[thick sinew]

what pos

[drifting shore]

Indefinite

[worldly ridge]

Which one of you is this in cscd canada

Was worth a try

[analog current]

and ur that cringe dude who thinks he’s above this cuz u posted this

[humble mural]

i dont have any research but i wanna do grad school is it still possible? and if not whats the best way to go abouts finding somewhere to get a research position? thanks to anyone who answers!

[lunar sandal]

email profs at ur uni?

offer to volunteer, etc

[dire canopy]

idt u need research to get into grad school tbh

[kind jasper]

depends on how competitive the school/supervisor you're applying to is; there are some that'll do course-based grad school (or let you start with something course-based and establish research connections, etc. midway through)

[novel dome]

Anyone done 1 hour interview with Ceridian

[worldly ridge]

My friend did it for an internship, it was stanadrd lc and behavirial

Easy to Mediums LCs

[novel dome]

did the lc focus on any specific areas?

havent done lc in ages

[worldly ridge]

Specific areas?

It was just a standard blind 75 LC

[novel dome]

ty ty

[novel dome]

uk the diff ways to solve a lc question

if it focused on any one of those

[real storm]

how much LC are ya'll doing

320 count and ngl still nervous imma get hit with 2D dP or something

[novel dome]

havent touched since last year july

[worldly ridge]

oh I dont remember sorry 😦

He got asked 2 or 3 tho from my memory

[novel dome]

ty tho

as long as they pull out lc hard

i should be fine

[worldly ridge]

no worries 🙂

u want that lc hard dont u

[novel dome]

i posted it here before

hold on

nvm it got purged it seems

but to summarize, I have 3 traditional co-op/internship, 1 government (FSWEP), TA, and highschool co-op/internship

nothing crazy in terms of companies or anything

[novel dome]

1/3 the knowledge

[marsh thorn]

Hey guys, I need some help.

I want to work multiple WFH jobs during the summer to maximize my income. I have a chill laid back job right now that's WFH at a small business. Recently the Canadian Military interviewed me after months of hearing nothing and now they want to move on to the next steps and ask for me to fill out a document of m employment history, what do I do to keep both? If push comes to shove I'll just resign from my current employer, but is there a way to keep both? They're both WFH btw.

[soft hamlet]

[lunar sandal]

I think those open later

[tranquil goblet]

does IBM ask for grades

[outer delta]

Anyone have stats on what Waterloo 2023 SE/CS grads are doing

[topaz sentinel]

Wtf even is Konrad group and has anyone ever interviewed with them

I stg they've had the same job posting for years

[worldly ridge]

they build application for others

therye an agency

[topaz sentinel]

Ah I see

I been seeing their job postings for years and idk if they're constantly hiring or just keeping them up as a facade

[worldly ridge]

fwiw i have af riend who worked there, he didnt like it becasue of RTO and it felt culty

[topaz sentinel]

after checking their website it definitely does feel like it's full of "passionate" mfs

[placid dawn]

back home from my exchange

best semester of my life

[worldly ridge]

you miss this?

[placid dawn]

[normal jetty]

Where’d u exchange

[placid dawn]

madrid

absolutely lifechanging

everyone should study abroad if they can

[hybrid owl]

how clean should code be for interviews?

I looked back at a question that I did for my last interview and realized it was lowkey kinda disorganized with all of the comments

[pallid reef]

where’s your home?

i mean where’re u from

[worldly ridge]

bruh i tot u went to uk

💀

dam u msut be eating good food then

[robust lotus]

Does uoft name help a lot

/Is it a bad idea to go to a much easier no-name school and do other things in my free time

To try getting tech jobs

Lmao

[tranquil goblet]

mm university names really only matter to recruiters imo, hiring managers usually look at ur experience

[tranquil goblet]

this might be an unpopular opinion but i think going to a competitive school helps with getting good (at ur craft since it's so competitive) and getting more driven, seeing ppl around me driven def inspires me to be same

plus theres always all those other small perks, like career fairs and etc

[soft hamlet]

Carleton isn't much easier

Less depressing yes though

just take Z section and speedrun

[soft hamlet]

not an unpopular opinion, it's true in most cases, but there are other ways of getting in that doesn't require soul crushing

[soft hamlet]

note that UTM and UTSG don't have proper co-op, ASIP and PEY are mid

the name does carry

but you get less experience in terms of breadth

[lunar sandal]

true

i can attest to this

its moreso because the bumfucks in charge of simply doing a google search and filtering -> posting on the portal are slacking the entire semester

[soft hamlet]

Idk I kinda like having 4+ terms at different companies

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

🤣🤣 I wish some Toronto companies paid better man then I would consider relocating

21 at RBC

[earnest mortar]

wdym 21 at RBC?

[soft hamlet]

First year no experience got offered 21/hr

Not me, someone ik

[earnest mortar]

wait first year uni?

[soft hamlet]

no relocation eithrr

Ye

[earnest mortar]

tbh that makes sense

like yeah that's definitely not liveable with but it something to snowball off of

[soft hamlet]

I'm tryna find jobs that pay more than what I am making rn and most of them are either mid range companies in Ottawa or big companies in Toronto

o

[earnest mortar]

haha

[soft hamlet]

Welp

Yeah ...

I'd be taking home like 1.5k a month after rent on low 20s 💀

That's crazy

Like you gotta land it big to make it worth it

😭 recruiter at RBC asked if I would be good to relocate to Toronto but that would be cringe

[earnest mortar]

ngl ur not gonna make much in first year unless your beyond cracked and go to loo or smth

[soft hamlet]

I got a startup outside Canada so I'm good this term tbh

WFH :/ but oh well

[earnest mortar]

nice, yeah if you got something first year you're already doing great

[worldly ridge]

[earnest mortar]

[soft hamlet]

Yeeee I'm looking at bigger companies for winter or summer

[worldly ridge]

you guys think july and aug we will see massive job postings opening up

[soft hamlet]

2 YoE of freelance + 2 internships (1 HS), WE MILK

[earnest mortar]

fantasizing about it rn

[worldly ridge]

bruhh ryan u a 1st year?

[soft hamlet]

By the time I start truly applying

Ye

Just finished first

[earnest mortar]

ur cooking boi

[worldly ridge]

cracked

jesus

mans got internship n freelance before uni

[soft hamlet]

Rn I'm vibin totally not working two jobs and a course

💀

[earnest mortar]

how's ur gpa doin

[worldly ridge]

good for u though

[soft hamlet]

11.5/12 which is 4.0 apparently in U of T system

[worldly ridge]

bruh

[soft hamlet]

In major courses

I'm at 3.8 overall

[earnest mortar]

oh u go to carleton or uottawa or smth?

[soft hamlet]

Carleton

[earnest mortar]

ah kk

that's pretty good

[soft hamlet]

I chose Carleton because speedrun

I'm doing 3rd and 4th year courses next year

:>

[earnest mortar]

damnn

ngl i put in crazy work during my undergrad too but still got screwed after zon delayed my start date by 6 months

[soft hamlet]

💀

[earnest mortar]

and they did it 2 months before my start date

[soft hamlet]

My goal out of this degree is networking and work exp

work is so much more enjoyable than scholl

[earnest mortar]

my 2nd year summer i was doing 3 jobs lol

[soft hamlet]

I have an internship, 4 freelance clients and taking a C course

The sad thing tho

[earnest mortar]

facts

[soft hamlet]

Is idk if I even want to do SWE in the future if that makes sense

Like I'm more on the freelance/solutions side

It's a bagel

But cube

💀

[earnest mortar]

like wordpress and aws type solutions?

[soft hamlet]

You can think what you want @rotund sierra 😋 they are both yummy

[novel dome]

how u get into freelancing

[soft hamlet]

Yeah that's what I do rn

[earnest mortar]

what do you do with aws

probably the strat, and use that extra time to prep and do job apps

[novel dome]

shut it down

[soft hamlet]

I don't use AWS that much but I've used it for cdn

Same

I just do AWS when I really need to, I prefer working on website/plugins and integrations, AWS is stressful

[novel dome]

yall trying to speed run uni in these times damn

[earnest mortar]

fax

[soft hamlet]

Uhhhh do you how I learned how to do it or what

[earnest mortar]

if u have a good gpa just speed run it in 3 and do a masters

[novel dome]

as in like, how u got clients

[soft hamlet]

I have to wade through PHP but it's worth it for what I am getting

[soft hamlet]

Word of mouth, cold emailing

I get enough clients as referrals that I don't need to cold email anymore

[earnest mortar]

k so 4 year undergrad + masters is debatably better than a 5 year undergrad w/ co-op (disclaimer -> only if you go to a top-tier-ish masters uni)

[earnest mortar]

i dont think php is that difficult to learn tho

[soft hamlet]

It's not hard to learn but it's hell to maintain

[earnest mortar]

ye co-op is ur best bet then, they're not difficult to get and if u perform well it's the easiest way to secure a new grad offer

[soft hamlet]

My job in the past 2.5 weeks has taught me more about web dev than I could ever learn in a course or something

[earnest mortar]

what school do you go to outta curiosity

[novel dome]

thats good

[soft hamlet]

Sounds like engineering

I have friends at Western, truly mid besides if ur in ivey

[earnest mortar]

ye master's students are only good at top unis (i think)

[soft hamlet]

Whyyyy

[novel dome]

undegrad -> fanng -> master -> hft -> phd -> death

[soft hamlet]

💀

But you get access to financial stuff

[novel dome]

business courses

[earnest mortar]

depends on where you do your masters and undergrad

[soft hamlet]

Which pays a lot :3

[novel dome]

gotta go aboard for masters

[soft hamlet]

I'm debating double minor in entrepreneurship and law

Because funny

And because I will learn a lot

100k/yr for a NYU arts degree @rotund sierra

:>

[earnest mortar]

tbh i've found entrepreneurship programs are just made horribly in non-high tier unis

[soft hamlet]

You aren't completely wrong but I'm picking and choosing in a way that yes it's not the best but I get what I want out of the minor

Which is all I really need

[earnest mortar]

sure, as long as u know what ur getting into

[novel dome]

ufotears >>>

[earnest mortar]

cap

[limber dirge]

I almost went to mac for cs 😭

[novel dome]

ofc

[soft hamlet]

There is a course at CU where 25% of the weighting is some kind of google professionals course you can do online for free

[earnest mortar]

isn't nyu like t20 cs?

[soft hamlet]

[novel dome]

mans been balling ever since he landed at pearson

[novel dome]

u got to carleton?

[soft hamlet]

Yeeee

[novel dome]

💀

[soft hamlet]

Fellow CU student eh

[novel dome]

gonna go fight this school

for their course offerings

[soft hamlet]

Dawg ur literally in my discord server 💀😭

[earnest mortar]

☠️

[novel dome]

what u mean

[soft hamlet]

Carleton CS '26

[novel dome]

ohhh

[soft hamlet]

PM is funmy

Very funny

[novel dome]

PM >> swe

[soft hamlet]

All the authority but none of the work :> /j

[earnest mortar]

i swear you just have to be good looking to get a PM role

[novel dome]

just scrum???

[soft hamlet]

Yeah

[novel dome]

sign me up

[soft hamlet]

Scrum masters

[novel dome]

all the places i worked at

scrum master was just another dev

janitor @ ur penthouse

[soft hamlet]

There is a capital one scrum master intern position where you count meeting minutes, interact with kanban boards. That's literally the job posting

[earnest mortar]

u also gotta talk with customers/clients and figure out what they want

[soft hamlet]

And they required you to be a CS major or business major

[novel dome]

for scrum master??

[earnest mortar]

nah for PM

[novel dome]

kk

if i didnt have to speak

[earnest mortar]

idk that's what my PM did at zon

[novel dome]

PM role would be top tier

makes sense

[earnest mortar]

i feel like PM responsibilities differ per company

[novel dome]

thats what PM r posed to be

its all fun n games

till PM promises something

thats not doable

[soft hamlet]

Don't you need a certification for PM?

Also it's typically contract work 💀😭

Google janitor

Why haven't I gotten all the PM roles then

I have work when I wake up

I just log on when I wake up bc I am WFH and most employees are in the UK

NYC, UK and Portugal

I'm the only Canadian

[novel dome]

where u working ryan

[soft hamlet]

A startup

[novel dome]

need to find a way to move to europe

[soft hamlet]

No name

[novel dome]

i rather be depressed in portugal than toronto

[soft hamlet]

Come to Ottawa then

[novel dome]

i just left

[soft hamlet]

COL to tech salary ratio is better come stay here

Come backkk

[novel dome]

ottawa winter 💀

[earnest mortar]

y u depressed

[soft hamlet]

💀

[novel dome]

y arent u

[soft hamlet]

Bruh what

A job is a job

Gib

[novel dome]

ericsson is usually no technical?

[worldly ridge]

fr if i was a bilionaire, i wouldve left for nordic countries or amsterdam

[soft hamlet]

God I need to get Nokia, RBC, Intel or QNX next year

[novel dome]

nokia 💀

u will get into citadel before them

[novel dome]

amsterdam would be a vibe

[soft hamlet]

They hired like 200 students this summer

[novel dome]

ik

[worldly ridge]

ur just worried he will takeur internshipo

[novel dome]

what does nokia want from me

[soft hamlet]

Nokia I got some referrals so :>

[novel dome]

sharing is caring

[worldly ridge]

STOP IT

STOP IT

[soft hamlet]

They only let 3rd and 4th years do actual dev

[worldly ridge]

u have a harborfornt condo

[soft hamlet]

Anyone else is relegated to testing

[earnest mortar]

a few reasons: i'm grateful for wht i have, all i can do is put my best foot forward and keep grinding, i couldn't care less about the 100s of rejections i receive, i love challenging myself

[worldly ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[earnest mortar]

u at snowflake bro?

[novel dome]

well

im fourth year

so 💀

[worldly ridge]

no

[soft hamlet]

I applied to 8 places last year, I'd be heartbroken at 100s

[worldly ridge]

im just at a tech canadian company

[earnest mortar]

i've been rejected a lot lol, with debatably a really good resume

[soft hamlet]

Well you have to meet Linda IRL at a networking event

[novel dome]

i met linda too many times

[soft hamlet]

Can I see 🥺

[soft hamlet]

😭😭😭😭

[worldly ridge]

@earnest mortar are you doign ng search rn?

[earnest mortar]

ill dm

[earnest mortar]

yee

[worldly ridge]

man i thought u got return for amazon

[earnest mortar]

i got fucked by zon

[worldly ridge]

fuck

[soft hamlet]

Tyty

[worldly ridge]

FKKKKKKKKKKK

[earnest mortar]

they delayed my start date by 6 months

[worldly ridge]

did they delay

[earnest mortar]

lol

[worldly ridge]

bruh

:l

[earnest mortar]

yeah

[novel dome]

oof

fck zon

[worldly ridge]

my friend faced that too recently

[earnest mortar]

i worked so hard for that reutrn offer

[novel dome]

but plz hire

[worldly ridge]

how is your job search?

[novel dome]

can u dm me too

wanna see what it takes to get zon

[earnest mortar]

pretty bad rn but i'm grinding projects, and consistently getting better

[worldly ridge]

are you atleast geting intervies

[soft hamlet]

:> probably not

[earnest mortar]

uhh i had IBM on my resume when i got zon internship, i see a lot of people with almost nothing on their resumes getting zon internship though so it's kinda rng

ye a bit, not much at all comparatively

[novel dome]

i see

[soft hamlet]

I wanted IBM but I never passed resume screen

Idk what they are looking fkr

[earnest mortar]

yea i got it through my school's co-op and found a really good team match

otherwise i never passed resume screen eithr

[soft hamlet]

IBM Ottawa a bit cringe

[novel dome]

everything is so rng

[lunar sandal]

the better quesiton is

what the fuck is kinaxis looking for?

[novel dome]

kinaxis

[soft hamlet]

💀

[novel dome]

man

[soft hamlet]

Kinaxis

[worldly ridge]

💀

[novel dome]

#1 hater

[soft hamlet]

When they learned I was first year they were like noooooo sorry

[novel dome]

i apply at 4am

[lunar sandal]

legit, what the fuck?

[novel dome]

by 10am

i am alrdy rejected

[lunar sandal]

they think they r jane street

or smth

[novel dome]

that hisko mf

[soft hamlet]

Ion get it a first year on LinkedIn got Kinaxis like ???

[lunar sandal]

dont define it by years bro

theres plenty of fortunate ppl out there

who have been coding since out the womb

can do LC hard at age 14

and are at faang at 17

[soft hamlet]

Well I have more exp than time in uni and still got destroyed for being first year

[lunar sandal]

if u r good no one cares, its just not easy to be that good

[novel dome]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBXZWB_dNsw

[soft hamlet]

I got to final interview at Cisco and they were like o we don't do first year

[novel dome]

ohhh

cisco sounds so cool

but idk what it takes to pass their resume parser

[soft hamlet]

Cisco is a cool company besides the fact that they use legacy angular

[lunar sandal]

i had jack shit when i was in2 nd year and i passed their screen xd

[soft hamlet]

I went to an event and they gave me a referral link

I skipped the OA

[loud belfry]

[lunar sandal]

actually just the first week of first year

second yr*

[soft hamlet]

Hi surgicalbear

[loud belfry]

[soft hamlet]

I got the interview in October of first year iirc

[loud belfry]

I did Jack shit all of first year LETS GO

[novel dome]

damn

[eternal fossil]

im going to fdm group

fuck it

[topaz sentinel]

is meeting Linda a prereq to getting interviewed at Nokia, tf 😭

[analog current]

yo should i just not do my Kinaxis interview

looks like an ass company

their logo looks cringe