canada

[tight gale]

how ripped do we have to be

[lucid berry]

You got any news from Amazon?

[dark lintel]

rippppped

they pretty much freezing hiring and may resume end of Oct

[sudden wave]

I’m getting ghosted from everything man

[dark lintel]

hope it will get better soon

All faang in Canada stopped hiring or only hire a little bit now right

[oblique crater]

just got the msft ng rejection

so sad

[tight gale]

same

all 5 of my accounts were rejected

[analog jasper]

does bloomberg sponsor visa?

[dark portal]

Thanks sir, you know I got you

[torn roost]

Same

Anyone in Canada got through

[eternal fossil]

same

crying rn

[tight gale]

Fr I just want to be happy and have 500k tc

[eternal fossil]

i took a freelance job call today

some guy wanted a website

this guy: "ah man you gotta work with me i love your vibe but i can't pay much maybe we can work out something cheap bro"

i now plan on just telling him 3k if he wants to pony it up

im down bad

but i need money for my work boss

i know economic downturn sucks but i must pay the bills boss

[tight gale]

Anonymize it and post it in #1019675142248468601 the market is also bad rn so maybe it isnt even you

[tight gale]

Yea know your worth, you have a wife and kids to provide for

[eternal fossil]

always gotta have a wife and kids

[sullen crater]

They left cuz I don’t have an offer

Fed up with my unemployed ass

[tight gale]

Hiring freeze breaking families apart

[sullen crater]

I had it all during the bull market

Now i am a shell of the man i once was

[worn moss]

yo if ur a first year and have a return offer for rbc, would u accept it and not go through ur unis coop application process(waterloo), or would u renege rbc and go through ur unis coop application process

[vivid fiber]

Can't you just go through ur unis coop process and renege when u get smth better?

[worn moss]

no if u go through the unis coop process then u have to accept a company from the ones u match with

[vivid fiber]

Wait you can't choose?

Like ur just auto-matched to some?

[worn moss]

yea

im asking for a friend

[earnest mortar]

when are these apps coming out? (pls ping me with reply)

[vivid fiber]

Rippling new grad is already out

Not for Canada tho

Mayb u just apply thru da same app?

[earnest mortar]

not for canada they arent

[earnest mortar]

nah i dont think so, they should have a diff app

[vivid fiber]

https://www.okta.com/company/careers/engineering/software-engineer-new-grad-customer-identity-cloud-4579647/?gh_src=7j0um41

[steel escarp]

Ahhh i want okta

Hope they want me tooo

[fervent junco]

Is this another Okta posting? I think there was one from before

[austere nebula]

rbc cap markets?

[worn moss]

no

[austere nebula]

hmm

then maybe not

but also depends on what you think your chacnes of landing a better role are

my friend accepted an rbc return and his recruiter ended up emailing waterloo to lock him on the co-op platform

so you should be extra sure that is what you want to do

because there is no going back even if you apply externally

[vivid fiber]

The others were for 2022 grads afaik

This 1 is for 2023

[lunar sandal]

got rejected by okta summer 2023 intern 👌

[ivory shuttle]

Anyone applied to citi

[steel escarp]

i did for ft

but haven't got a reply

🤣

[eternal fossil]

same

im tired man

[ivory shuttle]

They are so stupid

[steel escarp]

what happened? lol

[ivory shuttle]

After I applied and invited me for interview they asked me to send my resume again but hasnt sent me a interview link for tmr morning yet

Lmao

How stupid is that

[steel escarp]

for new grad?

[ivory shuttle]

Didnt even tell me if thats a technical or a behavioural interview

Yeah

[steel escarp]

🤣

[ivory shuttle]

For new grad

[steel escarp]

at least u got an interview

[ivory shuttle]

Reading up on their reviews

[steel escarp]

i dont get anything

sadge

[ivory shuttle]

On glassdoor

They sound such boomers

[ivory shuttle]

Who knows man they being hella weird

[steel escarp]

gl lol

[worldly ridge]

@dark portal your takes are proved to be false. checkmate.

guyss

i promise last one

RECESSON

ok ill stop now

[dark portal]

How prestigious is rbc cap markets?

[fervent junco]

no reply from citi 😦

[austere nebula]

but for 1st year and 2nd years

and the pay is decent

[fervent junco]

are bmo new grad roles open?
I think I sent an application for a 2022 role and got a reject 😦

[torn roost]

I interned there. Got the return offer, it's only $85k

[ivory shuttle]

Times are tough

[alpine portal]

anyone do the RBI group interview and get a response back?

[torn roost]

Pretty sure no one moved forward yet, I am in touch with a few people who completed it

Some people got rejection response back though

[gloomy nymph]

85k cad?

[torn roost]

Yea

Their intern salary was decent though

81k

[gloomy nymph]

I think you can get at least 95k for ng

Keep searching my child

[torn roost]

Yea for sure

I didn't even respond yet lol

[alpine portal]

Oh okay good to know, thanks!

[gloomy nymph]

At least you have a fallback if anything goes wrong

[ivory shuttle]

Did you reneg

[ivory shuttle]

Where

[ivory shuttle]

That is such a small difference with

[gloomy nymph]

Idk dude

[ivory shuttle]

Wtf

Hey atleast its better than Scotias 65k

[fervent junco]

rbi said i would get a phone interview three weeks ago, i give my availability then no response

followed up last week they said they busy???

[steel escarp]

🤣 after the sys design round?

[fervent junco]

no like the initial phone

i saw they extended the application deadline too 😭

[steel escarp]

Wut? I didnt even have the initial phone

Oh u mean the behav one

[fervent junco]

oh ye i might have got the wording wrong

[steel escarp]

Its like behav phone -> oa -> sys design -> leadership

[fervent junco]

ye then behavioural phone was scheduled, i gave my availability, no response

[steel escarp]

Ye i was confused between first and last

[oblique crater]

SPREADING GOOD VIBES, FUCK THE RECCESSION WE GONNA MAKE IT OUT

[dark portal]

The stock market isn't the economy

I spoke to an economics professor and he said:

1. We're in a recession and 2. It's going to get alot worse

[magic perch]

Any person in a regular profession who claims to have any significantly concrete idea about the future of the economy, actually has very little idea.

[magic perch]

Unless this professor is also secretly a billionaire investor on the side

[worldly ridge]

THE ONLY ONE WHO KNOWS IS THE ILLUMIANTI

AND BILL GATES

Don't even ask the question. The answer is yes, it's full. Think Amazon is just slow? No, they're full. You work at the drive thru for Mickey D's and found out they just opened burger flipping internships? Full. You think people on cscareers.dev don't already know that? The job market is an all powerful, all encompassing being that knows the very inner workings of your subconscious before you were even born. Your future employer was full decades ago when the market was valuing IBM's expected future headcount based on population growth that would lead to your birth, what age you would start Leetcoding, how many times you would watch Neetcode videos, how many times you have inverted a binary tree. Any company you can think of has already been filled, even the roles you aren't thinking of. You have no original thoughts. Your consciousness is just an illusion, a product of the omniscent rat race. Free will is a myth. The job market sees all, knows all and will be there from the beginning of time until the end of the universe (the market has already filled roles for the heat death of the universe). So please, before you make a post on cscareers.dev asking whether Apple is full or Amazon has stopped hiring, know that it is already full and don't ask such a dumb fucking question again.

[oblique crater]

we are in a recession but it's not going to get worse

[placid dawn]

recess deez

[dark portal]

I really do think it will. Especially with the russo-ukrainian war showing no signs of stopping and the global food shortage

Plus, there is a solid chance that China invades Taiwan

And we have stagflation rn too

[oblique crater]

china is not that stupid

but yeah canada needs to get its act together

[tired mica]

no one here is educated enough to even begin to guess lmao

[ivory shuttle]

Had the worst interview experience with citi

Man these boomer companies really do suck

[placid dawn]

recession will get worse until it doesnt get worse

then, the recession will get better because it wont get worse

https://tenor.com/view/think-smart-gif-22411928

[worldly ridge]

STOP TALKING ABOTU RECESSIONG UYS THIS IS #canada NOT #RECESSION

[placid dawn]

KANADA?

what is a kanada

[ivory shuttle]

Anyone applied to spotify and got an interview

Idk what their new grad role is

[placid dawn]

anyone else got d2l oa

[boreal sentinel]

d2l has oas?

man someone gotta humble these canadian companies

first rbc had codesignal, and now this

where does it stop

[placid dawn]

they trynna be kewl

[eternal fossil]

its usually guys that make it into these companies with having only done behaviourals

and once they get comfy and cushioned

go like

"ah yes new hires? test them using something i never had to go thru myself"

same lol i do them JUST fine but im not in the 90th percentile where most offers are given at

if you put me on a project ill do real good

[eternal fossil]

WOW wtf

i thought about huawei today like damn i sent them my resume weeeks ago

and my transcript

which isnt 3.0+ gpa

and they just reached out to me with next steps

wtf they take SOOO Long

i could be living on the streets by the time they finish giving me an offer

[vapid oracle]

I notice senior devs complain about juniors a lot. I feel like they overestimate how good they were when they started

[eternal fossil]

yeah

thats basically it

its also for them realizing that a lot of the new devs could easily replace them

[azure vortex]

any canadians gotten google intern oa

[boreal sentinel]

nope

sighs

[azure vortex]

didnt you get it

[placid dawn]

ngl if I ever interview people Im asking some hard dps😈

[boreal sentinel]

me?

[azure vortex]

yes

[boreal sentinel]

haha no way

not that cracked sir

[tight gale]

Vouch, principal engineer shaking rn I'm replacing him in a year

[eternal fossil]

dopamine rush for me just reading that

[oblique crater]

https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/3234570750/?alternateChannel=search&refId=X5iRSIhj%2FhMDnuM4cteyWQ%3D%3D&trackingId=SygvRSTQA1wO5eZzXo3LPw%3D%3D

[plain plover]

Honestly guys stay positive

[plain plover]

Bro it is not healthy to go on this tangent for you or anyone else here

We get it. Flipping burgers janitor etc etc

Like cmon. It is not that bad. Lmao. U can get a job at an unexiting mid boomer company with shit pay. U guys arent gonna starve in the street. Ofc we all want return on investment on the struggle weve been going through when we graduate but its a fkn numbers mental game. Keep at it. If it doesnt open up now, get an unexciting job to hold u over and keep working at it

Some of yall spiral with rejection and that definently understandable. But bro companies dont give a fuck about you. Its nothing personal. U get a job u can get fired tmr for absolutely no reason coz the trillionnaire ceo who has a billion dollar revenu off ur back wants to cut 0.01% of the cost

It doesnt end when u get into faang

It doesnt end when u get 100k+ job

Nothing is secured

If u stay with this dramatic mentality in this field ur gonna burn out all ur nerves before u hit 2yoe

[worldly ridge]

I'm meming

I already have a job

but yes preach

[oblique crater]

I just applied to like 20 ng jobs

in canada, they exist but yeah big tech is not the destination this year it seems

[plain plover]

Yk whats absolutely fucked up? They are treating employees this way (hiring freeze, rescinding offers, layoffs etc) when they are still making profit. Wtf are they gonna do when they day comes and tech starts loosing money

[ivory shuttle]

Where

[oblique crater]

linkedin, just wrote entry level software engineer and set location to canada

anything that asks for less than 3 YEO i just tossed a resume

[ivory shuttle]

anyone did technical interview with morgan stanley

[steel escarp]

is morgan stanley any good?

[plain plover]

Is sentry.io good? Tf they do?

Pay well?

[steel escarp]

Sentry is pretty good

Theyre like data dog

[plain plover]

For canada? Not sure i think they have a mtl office? Got an internship offer with them in 2021. Paid shit like 27

Knew someone who was ng in 2021paid him 55k a year

[steel escarp]

Really?

Hmm i mean their interview is kinda hard

[plain plover]

Know another new ng from this year i think he got 80k thats the top they give in mtl office. Which i think is the only office in canada not sure

[steel escarp]

Right? @timid tartan 🤣

I thought they gave 100+ in toronto

[timid tartan]

????

What

[steel escarp]

Sentry io

[timid tartan]

What

[plain plover]

No mo i am talking about morgan stanley bro

[steel escarp]

Thoughts 🤣

[plain plover]

Thats what u asked about

[steel escarp]

Oh i thought u were talking about this

[timid tartan]

No free food = bad

[plain plover]

No no its an answer to ur og ask lol

[steel escarp]

Does banana give u free food? 🤣

[timid tartan]

Nope

That’s why it’s bad

[steel escarp]

27 for internship is not bad at all

[plain plover]

U interned at sentry.io? How much they pay for ng ?

[timid tartan]

???? You gotta be kidding

[timid tartan]

Nah I was in their process for internship but I failed

[plain plover]

For their inflated sense of worth they gotta pay more

[steel escarp]

I mean not everyone started at 50 like u

27 is decent ngl

[timid tartan]

No but 27 is not even liveable

You can’t live with 27/hr

At least in toronto

[steel escarp]

u can 👀

[timid tartan]

Ye if you live on the street

[steel escarp]

not comfortable

🤣

[plain plover]

Agree. A thousand percent. Its not liveable in montreal even

[timid tartan]

Not even that

[plain plover]

No literally u pay rent and thats it

[timid tartan]

You can’t even afford a decent place

[plain plover]

Montreal rent

[steel escarp]

wut

?

[plain plover]

Let alone toronto rent

[timid tartan]

Exactly

Lmfao

[steel escarp]

its 4500/month

how is that not enough

[plain plover]

Wat?????

[steel escarp]

27/hr

[plain plover]

Taxes in canada heard of them?

[steel escarp]

yes

[timid tartan]

🤣

[steel escarp]

so like wut?

30% tax?

[plain plover]

Yess

[steel escarp]

3k

[plain plover]

Even more in qc whre ms is based

[steel escarp]

then hows that not enough?

[timid tartan]

Fcking canada tax

[steel escarp]

1k rent

then 500 food

[timid tartan]

You’ll have like around 1k after rent

[steel escarp]

u still take home 1500

[plain plover]

U wanna live with three roommates when u work in ms? And not even have 5% of ur money saved lol

To have a one bedroom in montreal its 1000 min

[timid tartan]

Bruh seriously 27/hr is a pain in the ass

[plain plover]

More realistly its 1200

[steel escarp]

🤷‍♂️

[plain plover]

So u literally have 300 for food utilities and expenses????

[steel escarp]

@safe light how much u pay for rent in mntl?

[timid tartan]

1k for rent means you gotta share

[plain plover]

Its 1000 min in montreal downtown

[steel escarp]

like tbh i think $27 is enough to live in toronto

if u dont need to save money

🤷‍♂️

[timid tartan]

Realistically it’s almost 1.5k

For rent

[plain plover]

Even in montreal its hella hella tight

[timid tartan]

Ye but this is stupid lmao

[plain plover]

That in case of emergency u dont have funds

[steel escarp]

🤷‍♂️

its an internship

what do u expect

[plain plover]

Bto

[timid tartan]

100/hr

[plain plover]

Bro

[timid tartan]

😂😂😂

[steel escarp]

ppl are making 15-20 during their first internship

[timid tartan]

I don’t even feel like 50/hr is good enough lmfao let alone 27/hr

[plain plover]

My friend did three internships at ms. Worked with them part time during semesters. Graduated got a job with them. Its 57k per year

[steel escarp]

🤣

[plain plover]

In 2021

[steel escarp]

I think they're paying 75k now

according to glassdoor

🤷‍♂️

[timid tartan]

What’s ms?

Microsoft?

[plain plover]

Morgan stanley

[steel escarp]

morgran stanley

[timid tartan]

Oh lmfao

[timid tartan]

Why are you even considering morgan stanley

[steel escarp]

👀

it sounds cool

[timid tartan]

Wtf you have a much better offer

[timid tartan]

….

Are you dumb or what

[steel escarp]

yes i am 😭😭😭😭😭

[timid tartan]

Stay there and just come to CB after a year @steel escarp

🤦‍♂️

[plain plover]

Thats what i am thi king. Idk how they tricked ppl into thinking they are a prestigious company

When they pay shit shiiiit money

[timid tartan]

It’s def not

At least for SWE

100% it’s not

[plain plover]

Yeah its not but irl lots of ppl believe they are the shit

[steel escarp]

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

am i too dumb for cb?

[timid tartan]

…

[plain plover]

Could also be coz my uni is worthless and desjardins is considered a good job

[timid tartan]

Talking with you is always hard

[steel escarp]

i mean its not like i dont want cb

😭

they dont want me

[plain plover]

Whats cb?

[timid tartan]

Coinbase

[steel escarp]

steven's backup plan

[plain plover]

Who wants to work there rn tho

[timid tartan]

I am there right now

[steel escarp]

me?

[timid tartan]

But for internship

[plain plover]

U botj considering them seriously for ng?

[timid tartan]

And yeah me too

[plain plover]

Are they even having ng?

[timid tartan]

Yep

[timid tartan]

Not for external I think

[steel escarp]

wdym

cb is cool

[timid tartan]

But for current interns, yes there’s a chance

At least from what I’ve heard

[steel escarp]

like regardless the offer rescind stuff last year

they paid the stuff pretty well

for ppl who got their offers rescinded

[timid tartan]

Not only that I think

Like once you post on linkedin you got rescinded by CB

You’ll get a shit ton of recruiter dm

Lmfao

[plain plover]

Lol

[timid tartan]

And yeah their NG pay is pretty decent

Almost 180k TC

Not the best, but more than enough IMO

[plain plover]

Better pay than zon and even higher risk lol

But fair points i guess

[timid tartan]

Meh I’m not too worried about the risk bcs of the name anyway

Idk anything lmfao

Just get the offer and ask them xD

That’s the easiest way right 😂

[plain plover]

No like whats the pay range for ng

[plain plover]

I just applied bro lmao

[timid tartan]

No clue lol

[timid tartan]

Oh looool

I see

GL tho

2023 new grad sounds like a disaster

[plain plover]

Their interviews are hard?

[steel escarp]

steven tells ur manager to take me 😭

[timid tartan]

Uh

If I have you in my team

I’d resign

Immediately

🙂

[steel escarp]

then ask your manager before resign

😭

[timid tartan]

…

[timid tartan]

Coinbase does not accept a bully

Sooooo you’re not eligible

🤷🏻‍♂️

[steel escarp]

didn't u say the same thing to circle?

then u got no return 😛

[timid tartan]

-_-

[steel escarp]

thats not bad right?

i swear 27/hr is more than enough to live

27/hr is for intern lol

i dont expect to save too much as an intern lol

nah i'm just curious

we were talking about interning at morgan stanley

LOL

[tight gale]

Long lineup at the breadline today

[timid tartan]

This is not accurate lol

It's around 171-177k for new grad

But yes the stability and risk thing is true

Isn't amazon year 1 like 160 ish and year 2 is even lower?

Oh what?

Wait I thought year 2 was like 153 or something like that lol

Damn

[tight gale]

Y2 has less cash bonus

15% stock instead of 5% from 1st yr

[timid tartan]

Ah I see

Are you at amazon for full time rn btw? @safe light

Wtf

[tight gale]

O is it diff from

[timid tartan]

Wait do you have a complete breakdown of the TC

[timid tartan]

Yeah I saw this one before

[tight gale]

I'm industry and my Y2 is lower

Return intern

Ue

Ye

[timid tartan]

Damn so amazon ng peaks at 160k pretty much

This usually takes 2 years right?

[plush rune]

btw amazon apparently has a a 6.8k usd relocation stipend (post tax i think)

so another +10k to tc

[timid tartan]

Yeah they have relocation stipend but I think that has a certain rule

[plush rune]

yea probably

[timid tartan]

I think not everybody can get it?

[tight gale]

Sf and NY has 200k+ offers for ng

[timid tartan]

Oof

[plush rune]

*10k

no, the relo rule applies to everyone iirc

[timid tartan]

How is ur wlb at amazon btw

[tight gale]

Couldnt get the relo because I was too close to office

Shoulda Airbnb something farther away for an address

[timid tartan]

LMAO does this work

[tight gale]

[timid tartan]

Oh okay lmao

[dark portal]

So come on and light up a toke bud

Grandad Bezos doesn't like weed

[ivory shuttle]

Ok so im gonna cancel my ms interview

[steel escarp]

why 👀

[ivory shuttle]

I dont wanna waste 2 hours of time for a 57k pay

[steel escarp]

👀

meh i might cancel too

[tight gale]

MS pay 57k?

[steel escarp]

morgan stanley

👀

[tight gale]

o

is that the tc or bonus

[steel escarp]

tc

😛

[tight gale]

? fr

maybe theres a typo

and its 570k

[steel escarp]

😮

then would u ditch google for ms?

👀

[tight gale]

morgan stanley?

[steel escarp]

ye

[tight gale]

yes

im willing to do anything for tc

[ivory shuttle]

Yeah glassdoor shows with bonus and all its 75k

And you dont even get weekends free

[plain plover]

bro i know for a fact that guy got 57k coz he got no reason to lie but still do it they might have upped it idk

[dark portal]

Morgan Stanley deserves to go bankrupt

Imagine managing a trillion + in assets and paying your software engineers 75k

[tight gale]

Yes

Pen tester @ mindgeek

[eternal fossil]

my guy @plain plover absolutely went tf off

but they are so right

gotta eat and shit out the rejections and keep moving

[reef atlas]

does anyone here know anything about getting back to back j1 visa, like if u do 4 month at one american company then 4 month at another

[honest prism]

hey guys, i just got an Amazon SDE Intern offer in Vancouver, is there any discord for amazon vancouver/canada?

[rotund meteor]

^ also curious, but for the Toronto location instead if anyone knows

[dense blaze]

Hey If you don't mind, when did you apply?

[earnest mortar]

Usually you just use the toronto channel in the amazon discord, but there’s also this one: https://discord.gg/HwyzzxRp, idk how active it is tho

[rotund meteor]

Thanks!

[eternal fossil]

ugh i have a test to do in c++

ffs i havent touched that language in YEARS

[fervent junco]

anything new open in canada for ng linkedin looking so empty

[eternal fossil]

yeah its looking empty this week

i hope next week is good

but i doubt it

theres openings for certain low level roles

apply to huawei

c++ and c

[tight gale]

= k

[sudden wave]

https://discord.gg/amazonnefews

There's a vancouver channel in here

[untold geode]

Ayo where are you lot finding jobs postings on? Do you head straight to the company's website or does there exist a portal of sorts?

Cuz the job posting channel is very heavily US-based

I was hoping for more postings on this side of the border

[torn roost]

Honestly the most useful positions I found were from seeing what people in this channel mention

And just looking into websites Companies that people talk about

And then the rest are Linkedin or searching specific companies

[dark lintel]

apply through the same app I believe

[earnest mortar]

the same app for the us position?

[dark lintel]

Yeah I believe so

Lots of these companies that have offices in Canada, as long as you pass the interview and get an offer, it's not hard to get an offer for Canadian office @earnest mortar

[blazing ice]

Quite a coincidence, since I've been invited to do an Amazon OA.

[earnest mortar]

Well the whole point of a different app for the US and Canada is getting through the friggin sponsorship filtering process LOL

If i can get past the US position interview I’ll definitely stick with it loll

[dark lintel]

I mean. I personally have a chance to work in US office and they will sponsor my US green card

but I decided to work in Canada office and get canada PR -> citizenship just because it

is a lot less craps compared to US greencard -> US citizen

@earnest mortar

I might be wrong though

[earnest mortar]

Im already a canadian citizen so i dont really need that lol

[dark lintel]

oh lmao icic

[placid herald]

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/2022/10/international-students-to-help-address-canadas-labour-shortage.html

[placid herald]

Kanada labour shortage damn

[worldly ridge]

[dark lintel]

This is sick

I"m gonna try find an internship this winter

[sudden wave]

Been trying and been getting rejected

[steel escarp]

unity summer internship for calgary is out

https://careers.unity.com/position/2023-software-engineer-summer-internship/4616977?gh_src=ilfw6o

[sudden wave]

130k?

[oblique crater]

it's bad, refer me to the position i'll take this peanut salary off your shoulders

[tight gale]

amazon?

[ivory shuttle]

How do you go about negotiating base salary offered

[oblique crater]

have another offer you could show them or maybe negotiate other aspects of the TC if you don't think it's enough

[sleek lintel]

can someone please help, would tesla call to schedule an internship

got a call from tesla north van yesterday but i missed it

could this be because i tried booking a test drive but never went through with it a few weeks ago

i didn't even submit the form

[steel escarp]

its a very good offer

lol

[tight gale]

No

[glossy condor]

that's the worst offer i've ever heard of. it should be at least 300k

[sleek lintel]

phew ok thanks

[plain plover]

where lol?

[tight gale]

Mf asking if 150k is good while I'm out here waiting at breadline

[placid dawn]

is $15hr for a senior developer with 20 years good

[steel escarp]

Imagine getting paid 200k just to wait at breadline 😭

[magic perch]

So slack lol

I didn’t know salesforce had new grad positions this year

Is this a return?

[empty cape]

could be mulesoft, tableu etc

yeah return offer

[glossy condor]

ok but also it's... san francisco....

[tight gale]

eh starting out 150k is good and you can always move there later on

i wouldnt worry about it

[empty cape]

That’s fair. I’m wondering if I should negotiate, is it a top offer or is it lowball? Or mid?

[tight gale]

in canada its basically top

only a few companies can compete with that offer and unless you got an offer with them it will be hard to negotiate

you should still try to negotiate though

[untold geode]

Yo Ive got a pre-screening in like 5 days but Im really scared since its my first one

Does any have an idea of what might be asked

Its my first ever, so Im shitting bricks ngl

[vivid fiber]

If u hav another offer try and nego

But as others said it's pretty much top for Canada

[empty cape]

On levels I see a bunch over 200k

[tight gale]

Do you have an offer from any of them

[empty cape]

I am interviewing with top hft's

[tight gale]

Yes I am saying without the offer pointing out that there are companies that pay more doesnt matter

[empty cape]

I'm interested why you think that

[tight gale]

Why would the company match when you dont have an offer

I can't go up to google and say look citadel pays 350k, I want 350k

[empty cape]

"I am interviewing with ren tech, if you pay me X I will stop interviewing w/ them and sign for you"

[tight gale]

Google in particular asks for written offer

You can do that but competing offer is what's most effective

[empty cape]

I agree with this

[worldly ridge]

stop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InyT9Gyoz_o&ab_channel=MaxRichterVEVO

[analog current]

ok i am officially switching to business its been a good run boys

haha

that was a prank

how much does general motors pay new grad

50k? 😿

[vivid fiber]

Some of these r for 1 year

The others I don't think r standard new grad offers, maybe for masters/PhD students?

[tight gale]

Will I see you at the lineup tomorrow

Bring the wife and kids

[earnest mortar]

sorry i hope that didn't sound complacent

[dark portal]

85k - 100k I believe

[violet topaz]

i wish ansys paid more

they do cool work

but you basically need a masters degree to get paid $85k as an R&D engineer

[steel escarp]

are they a startup?

[novel dome]

Anyone done IT Interview at Chevron?

[violet topaz]

you dont know ansys?

or are you trolling

[steel escarp]

i saw some of the postings on linkedin

but didn't apply those

why?

are they good?

[placid dawn]

damn msft reject me

why uber do dis

[untold nebula]

did anyone here not get rejected by microsoft?

[placid dawn]

thats impossible

[tight gale]

I have a 2000 lc done and a 7 incher and MS rejected me

[placid dawn]

not enough lc

[dusty sphinx]

That’s for PEY it’s 12-16 months if I paid $3k I better see Uber on there lol

And without outsiders applying

[placid dawn]

whats PEY

[valid schooner]

It’s like a one year co-op

[plain plover]

how much does mastercard pay ng in canada

[dusty sphinx]

UofT’s co-op program

[valid schooner]

Cringe af if u ask me

[placid dawn]

d2L oa is a piece of cake

[dusty sphinx]

UofT gets something for once and it’s cringe but Waterloo been having that luxury 😭

Legit Facebook opened apps just for loo ☠️

[valid schooner]

@placid dawn where’s the application link?

[valid schooner]

Okay but that’s loo not kys central cmon now

[dusty sphinx]

UofT’s CS education is better than Loo’s ☠️

It ain’t a shit school

[valid schooner]

I didn’t say it’s shit

I said it’s kys central

But I’m jus coping cuz I didn’t get either

[dark lintel]

not at all haha

[placid dawn]

no clue dont remember even applying

[valid schooner]

Oh ok

[blazing ice]

Well, if the bot says so. It must be true.

[hazy rock]

pey is still available this year, but not next year

[plain plover]

whats pey

[pseudo storm]

Professional experience year. Basically the coop program at uoft

[tawny zephyr]

inflation

[tight gale]

its going up

is that good

[boreal sentinel]

more housing money from amz 😍

[placid dawn]

gimme

[violet topaz]

He’s showing the wrong chart

CAD-USD is down

[celest junco]

did anyone hear back from microsoft internship???

[valid schooner]

Yea rejected

[celest junco]

im just getting ghosted

tbh never heard anything from microsoft LOL for all the years I applied

[sudden wave]

Also got rejected this week

[celest junco]

@valid schooner @sudden wave when did y’all apply

[valid schooner]

September

August

[sullen crater]

What’s new? We get rejected every week

[worldly ridge]

Happy thanksgiving!

What are you guys thankful for?

[tight gale]

being alive, didnt expect to last this long

[placid dawn]

my moms bank acc tbh

[sullen crater]

I’m thankful to be blessed with this lovely recession

But real talk, happy thanksgiving my bros

[tight gale]

🙂

hope everyone still waiting on offers get em soon

[sudden spruce]

nah but apparently the interview process is super delayed

[earnest mortar]

This year was a bit more difficult cuz they mostly hired interns

[placid dawn]

bru just send me the OA already

[torn roost]

I've been waiting since I got referred in August

I lost hope

[brave fable]

Anyone heard back from C1 for new grad?

(The Canadian posting ofc)

[analog current]

yo i need yalls expertise

between final interview and offer, is a background check performed?

cuz i did rly well on a final but i kinda capped a bit on my resume, so im afraid they havent hit me up yet cuz my ass failed a background check

[sudden wave]

how much did u cap

Usually they'll do a background check after u get the offer

at least in my experience

[analog current]

was research assistant said i was software dev intern, because all my responsibilities were development

[sudden wave]

eh, I think ur fine

[analog current]

but i also capped about my responsibilities

those they cant verify unless they contact the lab tho

[sudden wave]

cap as in u didn't do them or u exaggerated

[analog current]

i did some but didnt complete them

[sudden wave]

idk sounds like u should be fine tbh

[analog current]

okok

if they do find something sus in the check will they contact me to justify or is it auto reject

cuz my lab manager can prob justify me listing as software dev

so in the case they do contact me, ill refer them to the lab manager who can explain everything

[oblique crater]

most big companies don’t have time to do all that

they outsource the background check and it’s mainly a criminal and police thing

[analog current]

ok sounds good

[tight gale]

I wonder if those optional diversity questions make a difference

Yes, I am a gender fluid black native american with a disability who also served in the army

[worn moss]

aslong as u acc worked for whoever u have on ur resume ur fine

[rotund meteor]

From my experience as well the background check is always afterwards

Usually in the offer letter they’ll mention that your employment is contingent on the fact that u pass their background check

[violet topaz]

Idk what I’d stand to gain

[glossy condor]

what is the point of AP classes
i only took university classes and i'm pretty sure i turned out ok in first year

[lunar sandal]

🤝 what medications are u on ?

Oral or injectable ?

[sullen crater]

Y’all take Rituxan?

[pseudo storm]

Any of you guys on remicade

[lunar sandal]

Ah okay, I’m on kineret

Stay strong brother

[blazing ice]

Passed the OA for Telus International.

[ivory shuttle]

Any new postings

[torn roost]

Bro I have started applying to internships out of the desperation 💀

[fervent junco]

Does Telus actually have an OA or is it the behavioural stuff

[sudden wave]

^

[ivory shuttle]

Need advice on how to negotiate your first offer

[blazing ice]

It's for a part time position for online data analyst. They give you an OA.

[sonic drift]

Would it be dumb to quit my job and travel right now?

How bad is the market

[pulsar shell]

anyone apply for bell ng program

[alpine portal]

Yeah I have a group interview coming up with them

[pulsar shell]

yo me too

: O

i have mine tmr LMFAO

i have no idea what to expect though

[alpine portal]

Mines Thursday but best of luck man

I read on one Glassdoor interview from I think last year that you get 1 to 2 hours for a case study and then it’s behavioural questions, but no idea how accurate that is

[pulsar shell]

yeah i seen that as well

[fervent junco]

when did you all get the invite, i didnt get anything yet 😢

[violet topaz]

If the offer is lower than reasonably expected you can cite the below market offering and see what they say. Easier to really negotiate if you have multiple offers

But if they push back and say “this is what people make at our company” you really don’t have much wiggle room

If it’s your first offer and you have no other offers

[alpine portal]

For bell? I think two weeks after that prerecorded interview

[fervent junco]

i didnt even get the prerecorded interview???

[pulsar shell]

after like 30mins after the application they send you a vidcruiter interview where you do a precorded interview of you just talking to yourself

and after that like a week or so they send you an invite to schedule a group interview

[blazing ice]

I did my digital interview with Bell last week.

[alpine portal]

When did you apply? Pretty sure the prerecord is automatic

[tired mica]

wtf I didn't get it either

I applied Sep 20th and today I just got an email saying that my application is now under review

This is for the graduate leadership program right

[fervent junco]

Applied Sep 27th, nothing

And on Sep 30th I got three emails that said 'Thanks for the application' , was very weird

[pulsar shell]

i think the 3 emails that said thanks for the application is during the application they made you rank 3 things i believe

so they kinda just bundle it i guess

[plain plover]

does expedia pay for ng canada?

[vivid fiber]

ofc they do lol

[plain plover]

like how much

the guy i know gets 90k.

[sonic drift]

That's not bad for Canada

[sturdy nacelle]

ng offer in 2021 was for ~120k tc iirc probably has gone up since then (i didnt take it tho pls dont dm about it lmfao)

[tawny zephyr]

7 figures or bust

[placid dawn]

9 figures or bust

[tight gale]

You guys have unrealistic expectations, I would be perfectly happy with just 500k tc

[vivid fiber]

i think they were joking

a 9 figure salary is ridiculous, especially as a new grad

also having an expectation of a 500k salary is also pretty hard to accomplish, unless you are willing to work for a trading firm or similar

[worn moss]

no its not lol just be a senior quant researcher and all u have to be to do that is become and IOI -> get into waterloo cs and do a triple major with pmath and co -> land 2sigma first year -> land bb -> land google 2nd year -> land citadel 3rd year -> land hrt before grad -> return to hrt -> get a 7 figure salary

its kinda easy ngl

[vivid fiber]

I don't think quant researchers are making 9 figures...

No matter how senior they are

[placid dawn]

I agree I'll settle for 20 figs

[worn moss]

they make that easily

what r u on abt

[placid dawn]

15 figs take it or leave it

[oblique crater]

money is literally fake

seek enlightenment through novel experiences

[vivid fiber]

9 figures is 1 billion dollars

That's the kind of money ceos make

[tight gale]

How much money for that booty

[worldly ridge]

what real estate do i buy in toronto

[lavish void]

You can buy me

[steel escarp]

Is intuit even real? 👀 never got a reply from them

[celest junco]

its all luck ;-;

[ivory shuttle]

Anyone did the DS interview for Publicis

[lucid berry]

Yeah, me

For intern tho

[celest junco]

When did u finish ur oa

[lucid berry]

Sept 7, bro

[celest junco]

O dang good luck they are so pushed back

[lucid berry]

Yeah, they took a real long time

[dark lintel]

anyone interviewed with squarepoint capital?

[analog jasper]

does bloomberg sponsor visas?

[tame elm]

Received OA few days ago and you ?

[dark lintel]

yeah same didn't do the OA yet

did you do it yet?

curious if the OA was automatic

[tame elm]

Think it is, received about 8hours after applying

No didn't do it yet, are you python or C ?

[dark lintel]

it's C++

[plain plover]

how much does mastercard pay for ng

[blazing ice]

The company will send me the money by HyperWallet. Will I use Wise to convert the USD to CDN?

[eternal fossil]

anyone get an OA from bloomberg ever?

like from kanada

[nimble jasper]

no OA for me, it was directly technical phone screen

[eternal fossil]

oh ok so im just bad

makes sense

[steel escarp]

Bb ghosted me

Sadge

[tight gale]

[lunar sandal]

rare occurrence of avg cs student losing god complex

[eternal fossil]

top tier meme

[worn moss]

does robinhood not sponsor tf

i just got auto rejected

[eternal fossil]

idk about now

but they used to before

got an OA from them like last year i think

[worldly ridge]

my friend recenty got it

hes doing the interview process rn

[graceful heart]

hey, anyone got an offer of Deloitte Omnia AI?

[midnight sequoia]

does anyone know if netflix give remote offer to new grad?

[unreal cosmos]

one in edmonton?

nah like i meant if it was for the edmonton position

yeah havent heard back

[lament sable]

i got rejected for the data engineer role

and i heard they’re just not hiring for the data science one

anyone done ibm? software dev or maybe the automation role?

OA^

[graceful heart]

sorry for that

I applied the software engineer new grad of Deloitte Omnia AI

The intuit HR tole me they are not hiring until November or December

Yes, but I am in Alberta. Maybe Alberta intuit are not hiring

[steel escarp]

Wonder if yk intuit edmonton hire 2023 ng? 👀

[worn moss]

yo any1 know how much neo pays /s

[sullen crater]

I wouldn’t mind living in edmonton at this point

Hell, send my arse up to nunavut

[high tapir]

Has anyone here interviewed with StackAdapt?

[old ferry]

Do u know the new grad TC? They seem to pay pretty well

[high tapir]

The recruiter said $140-150k

For base salary

[dark lintel]

Do they hire ng?

Never saw their app

[acoustic moss]

Yeah I did not know stack adapt was hiring

[ivory shuttle]

Any company that doesnt allow u to continue interviewing once u accepted an offer

[steel escarp]

how do they know that u accepted an offer? 👀

[vivid fiber]

There's no way to enforce that afaik

[ivory shuttle]

Ok because I want to accept but also continue interviewing and I was scared if that’s not legally allowed

[steel escarp]

she prob got laid off

🤣

[spring wren]

does Microsoft have a Toronto office for swe?

[oblique crater]

they do in Vancouver for sure idk about Toronto

[vivid fiber]

I've heard that they don't

[spring wren]

damn alrighty tyty

[oblique crater]

what does that have to do with you

the rbc way

congrats on the offer though

[worldly ridge]

congrats @dark portal no IBM?

are you doing 2 jobs???

[steel escarp]

ft rbc pt ibm

🤣

just hope that ur manager doesn't find out

[low hedge]

Did anyone get a take-home for Capital One? This is for the FT SE Canadian position, not the TDP US one

[ivory shuttle]

Anyone got the new grad offer for capital one

Was wondering what the tc in canada is

[low hedge]

Yeah Ill get the offer and lyk :p

[ivory shuttle]

Is it for swe?

[low hedge]

Yeah

[steel escarp]

🤣

i didn't get anything

gud bye c1

[low hedge]

I applied Sept 12th so it depends when you applied

[oblique crater]

you uploaded a transcript? how’s your GPA?

[low hedge]

I didn't upload a transcript but i put my GPA as 3.6

Which is a big cap

My avg is like 80%

[oblique crater]

i thought they needed a transcript upload in the application

[low hedge]

I alr accepted amz tho so ill string them along and reject so they open up apps again

I gotchu

[steel escarp]

😛

[oblique crater]

doing gods work i appreciate you

[steel escarp]

they're hurt cuz i ditch them last year

[low hedge]

Capital One is not a tech company tho so idk if the pay is gonna be that good

I know they pay pretty well on the US side

[steel escarp]

i think low 100s

in canada

[low hedge]

No way

In Canada??

[fervent junco]

I applied around first week of September and dont have anything 😦

[earnest mortar]

would you renege zon if u get a better offer

[low hedge]

Yeah but idt there is any offer in Canada better than amz

And getting into the states is like 10x more difficult

[vivid fiber]

Sentry (mayb?), Google, Uber (mayb?)

There's a few others but I'm not sure if they're doing ng or not this yr

[earnest mortar]

google if you nego, stripe (not doing ng),

[plush rune]

doubt sentry

uber ya imo

[low hedge]

I doubt Google

[earnest mortar]

affirm

[low hedge]

I saw someone get a 90k offer in Waterloo

[vivid fiber]

Googl wit nego ya

[plush rune]

idk if affirms doing ng this year

[low hedge]

Or osmething low like that

[vivid fiber]

They lowball without a competing offer

[low hedge]

Oh shit that would be the dream then

[vivid fiber]

If this were a normal year I'd have a longer list

[plush rune]

uber also frozen rn so ya

[vivid fiber]

Oh ya

[plush rune]

circle i think

circle pays a ton for toronto iirc

[vivid fiber]

But Circle is paper money no?

[earnest mortar]

snowflake

[low hedge]

Oh yeah crypto

Pays a lot

[earnest mortar]

not anymore(?)

[plush rune]

did they ipo yet?

[vivid fiber]

Idk tbh

[earnest mortar]

idk why it's pretty dumb

[plush rune]

nah crypto companies still pay a shit ton. but just that they don't hire rn aside from like circle

oh ya doordash

[earnest mortar]

pinterest

[vivid fiber]

Pinterest aint doin ng Canada tho...

[plush rune]

i don't think pinterest is taking ngs from canada this year cuz sponsor but maybe im writing

[vivid fiber]

At least afaik

[plush rune]

wrong*

ya

[earnest mortar]

oh fr i thought they were

nvm

[vivid fiber]

Nah they hav no openings for the Canadian office

Last yr they had specific openings for it too

[low hedge]

At this point i just put "I dont need sponsorship/I am authorized"

[plush rune]

ya

[low hedge]

Cause we can just get a TN at the airport right

[earnest mortar]

so the employer doesn't have any paper work to do?

[plush rune]

i'm not so sure about the sponsorship question, but we're still not authorized to work in the US

iirc

[low hedge]

I havent been thru the process but Im assuming theres nothing they have to do

https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/temporary-workers/tn-nafta-professionals

Someone told me you just bring an offer letter to them and get a TN within 5 mins

And it lets you stay for 3 years

[earnest mortar]

oh damn

[low hedge]

But its easier to ask for forgiveness than permission yanno, if you get past interview process then they'll ~~def ~~ most likely help

[plush rune]

idk

they have a shit ton of candidates this year - there's no doubt someone else who passed but doesn't need the authorization stuff for companies who are strictly not sponsoring

u might just be wasting ur time if u say "i'm authorized to work in the US" when ur not. atleast that's what i think

[low hedge]

Youll just get resume rejected if you dont

I got the Capital One TDP OA because of it

But my friend got rejected

Because he put he wasnt auth

[plush rune]

ye, would u rather get resume rejected, OR later down in the interview process u get cock blocked when they ask u about ur visa stuff?

[earnest mortar]

im probs gonna stick with zon i dont know what kinda list of theirs i'll end up on if i renege

[plush rune]

after spending time on the oa/interviews etc

amazon is still faang at the end of the day lol paying like what, 150-160k cad in canada

which is insane for canada

in this climate ppl are struggling to get offers

so def still extremely solid choice

[earnest mortar]

160 sounds decent until you calculate your take home

[plush rune]

xd

[plain plover]

amazon blacklist u if u renege?

[earnest mortar]

not sure

[low hedge]

I dont think so, i heard a lot of people that do worst shit and they can still get back in

Not sure how valid this is but someone applied multiple times with different info until they got in

And lots of people boomerang

[plain plover]

u mean they leave and come back to amazon?

[low hedge]

Yeah

[plush rune]

amazon merges profiles into one account

not possible

the way their portal is like

[plain plover]

I think we can agree that amazon university portal is shit

[plush rune]

lool

[plain plover]

so idk sounds plausible

[plush rune]

i mean check reddit

tons of ppl asked this last year

"can i submit a new application with a diff email to hopefully grt the oa?"

so many variations of that question

[plain plover]

especially in toronto + inflation.

[earnest mortar]

especially with the real estate prices here

[plush rune]

all the students this year with no offer:

[low hedge]

How would they identify you if you change address/name/email/randomize resume

[plain plover]

thats why I am looking at remote first companies in canada. i dont wanna pay 35+% of my salary on a shoebox in a shit city

[low hedge]

My amz offer is in Van and Im not looking forward to paying rent there

Worst than Tor

[earnest mortar]

at least you get the mountains

is it actually worse than here

[plain plover]

imagine being paid 3x times the ng salary and still somehow not affording to live without roomates

[low hedge]

Yeah, im paying like 2.5k in rent dt but ive only seen comparable stuff at like 3.5k in Van

[plain plover]

2.5k a month is higher than most people mortgages on 3 bedroom houses

[low hedge]

In like Windsor or something haha, most people with variable mortgages rn are getting fucked

[plain plover]

but u guys cant work remote at amazon right?

[vivid fiber]

Any1 callin 160k "decent" hav to go touch some grass 😒

I kno plenty of ppl livin in downtown Toronto on lower salaries

Y'all r in a bubble

[plain plover]

I think its the fact that "even with 160k" its not much capital in this country

[plush rune]

at age 22-23 making 160k lol

[earnest mortar]

grass is always greener man

[vivid fiber]

You still make 100k ish after tax

[earnest mortar]

nah it's like mid 90s

[plain plover]

yeah u pay the average ng salary in taxes

what a joke

and still cant meet a family doctor

[earnest mortar]

160 is not pure liquid

[vivid fiber]

Yea som of it is in stock which is taxed differently as well

[plush rune]

imagine what the standard cs grad in canada is getting tho - a 60-80k offer before taxes. like it's all about perspective

[earnest mortar]

53% tax on the sign on bonus

[vivid fiber]

Either way your base is still extremely high and livable

[plush rune]

and then the jobless new grads during this year

[vivid fiber]

Omg stfu

Ur still makin bank

[earnest mortar]

damn

[vivid fiber]

Stop complaining

[earnest mortar]

im not complaining

[vivid fiber]

A lot of ppl don't even got offers

[plain plover]

I am having a conniption

[vivid fiber]

U lowkey r

[earnest mortar]

dont tell me to stfu

[vivid fiber]

I apologize that may hav been a bit rude

[earnest mortar]

im comparing the salary to US salaries

[low hedge]

Thats what im making rn at my company haha

[earnest mortar]

and yes it's peanuts comparatively, and peanuts comparatively to living costs

[vivid fiber]

I just find it tacky to be complaining abt how ur 100k+ salary is lower

[earnest mortar]

yes it is lower, amazon US is 200k usd

and yes, i know that it's a lot higher than avg

[plain plover]

like bro its not about complaining or not. but like even the highest tc here cant actually make it in this country. i think we should talk about that instead of saying who has it worse. coz if the highest tc here doesnt allow u to live without roommates or even have enough to have a downpayement on a house with 3x the average ng salary it means its fucked for all of us

[earnest mortar]

thank you for clarifying that

[low hedge]

Most SE jobs should straight up be remote so I can go live in Alberta

Id take a pay cut for that