Does Bloomberg offer h1b sponsorship?
#international
winter pendant
hidden jewel
yep
tropic mica
What we can do is create a list and pin it.
I’ll edit this list
JP Morgan Chaae
Capital One
US Bank
WillowTree
Vanguard
Optiver
Target
Disney
Verys
Workday
Ausrion
Citizens
Mckesson
Carmax
United Health Group
Verizon
Metlife
AIG
Libery Mutual Insurance
Slack
Doordash
Cisco
DRA
deft copper
Target
sharp stag
Fidelity Inverstments
errant isle
Disney, Verys, Workday, Asurion, Citizens, Mckesson, Carmax, United Health Group, Verizon, US Bank, Metlife, AIG, Liberty Mutual Insurance
also heard that Bank of America doesn’t sponsor full time positions this year. Can anyone confirm?
winter pendant
Got straight rejected from Bloomberg though I had a referral within 5 hrs of my application 🙄
deft copper
Sophomore?
winter pendant
New grad role
hearty zenith
Slack : "Visa sponsorship is not available for candidates living outside the country of this position." 😦
young moth
I'm an F-1 student, what should I put here? Just "no"?
open iris
Ya
tropic mica
@safe current Hey could you please pin the above message with the list of companies that do not sponsor?
safe current
sure
tropic mica
Fellas, let me know which companies do not sponsor and I will edit the pinned message.
unkempt epoch
slack
tropic mica
Really? Slack?
unkempt epoch
ye
tropic mica
I am living inside the US tho
unkempt epoch
y do u need sponsor then
tropic mica
I don't...
unkempt epoch
tropic mica
For an internship? I don't need any sponsorship whatsoever
unkempt epoch
oh are u just collecting a list for internationals then
hidden jewel
wait I feel like there's a misunderstanding here haha
I guess there's two entirely separate categories of internationals
internationals who live in the US and attend college in the US don't need immediate sponsorship - we have CPT and OPT after graduation BUT
we do require sponsorship in the future and we have to check yes to that box
on the other hand, people not studying in the US and applying to US jobs and internships require immediate sponsorship of some kind (i'm guessing) so you have to tick that you require sponsorship currently for the job
I think the second type makes it EVEN harder to get considered
So, for a posting like slack's, people on an F1 visa would be eligible since we currently are in the US and have CPT authorization
however, people outside and not studying in the states would not be eligible at all because they would require immediate sponsorship
tropic mica
absolutely
hidden jewel
^ agreed, it would be a lot more clear
we all get fucked no matter what, but I think if you're not studying in the states you get fucked even more
(Canada might be a different case)
heady lodge
canada is not authorized to work in the us, but don't need sponsorship
is what i've been doing
frail terrace
why dont one of yall make a github repo or a google sheet
unkempt epoch
wait what
i think canadians also need sponsorship 
but im not sure
i think we need j1
fuck idk
have i been applying wrong
unkempt epoch
wut
strong trail
partypopper is icpc lol
unkempt epoch
o lol
abstract remnant
canadians need j1 visa sponsorship
winter pendant
People who need immediate sponsorship ( H1b VISA ), are you guys getting forwarded to interviews for US job applications? So far I have only recieved consolidatory OAs from Robinhood and Peak6. Seems very unlikely to get interviews in US firms given current scenario.
Are you guys targetting non-US jobs too? If yes, how are you keeping track of applications? Is there any similar resource for that or you are manually checking for applications?
hearty zenith
There have been people moving foward through the process despite needing visa
Some companies confirmed WFH until 2021, so there's no problem wth them
But I haven't heard from other people moving foward on other cases
But that doesn't mean im 100% certain there aren't any cases
Do keep in mind H1B are blocked until the end of the year, and we do not know what will happen after so its pure speculation
hearty zenith
@tropic mica add DoorDash to the list 😦
"Are you currently authorized to work lawfully in the U.S. for DoorDash? "
tropic mica
I was gonna say, I got rejected by DoorDash within 24 hours of applying
hearty zenith
Just a Yes / No question, nothing regarding type of sponsorship needed
Yeah man, that's what I was guessing 😐
heady lodge
is IBM an auto-reject or nah?
tropic mica
Imma take an L on IBM bro
young moth
Inb4 a company wants to give me an offer but then decides not to because I filled an immigration-related camp in the job application incorrectly
"Are you currently authorized to work lawfully in the U.S. for DoorDash? "
@hearty zenith I selected "Yes" because I am in an F-1 visa
That was probably wrong
:/
ffs
I wonder in how many other applications I fucked that up
Is there any way I can read the job applications I sent?
hearty zenith
I think (might be wrong) that everything sponsorship-related is really dependant on your country
I've read you get different visas depending on your country of citizenship
So do remember that everytime you read advise online because it may be wrong or just correct for an specific country
tropic mica
Does HoneyWell sponsor?
hearty zenith
Is there any way I can read the job applications I sent?
@young moth I think you can't on most of them
Just be sure to disclose any application / form mistakes asap with your recruiter
hidden jewel
@hearty zenith I selected "Yes" because I am in an F-1 visa
@young moth if you're on an F1 visa, the answer is YES you are currently allowed to work. It's only 3 years after graduation that you would require sponsorship
tropic mica
It's such a bullshit way to ask someone's status
It's because according to some laws, companies cannot ask it directly
strong zealot
This was sourced from people attending GHC Conference, hope it helps! https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RXC3uxnb8cFx_PzLADkNgzvGX-HT2dV9LFWa7Yq6pt4/edit?usp=sharing
Also here are some H1B visa reports (companies who sponsored in the past) for SWE https://www.myvisajobs.com/Software-Developers,-Applications-2020OC.htm
tropic mica
Bro does anyone know if Qualtrics sponsors?
How tf is JPMC gonna not sponsor but it is ranked 18th?
heady lodge
maybe they're not sponsoring this year
tropic mica
Goddamn.
grave ferry
Qualtrics doesn't sponsor, heard it from someone else
winter pendant
@strong zealot Thanks for sharing. This looks very helpful.
hearty zenith
Can we pin @ Neja's message please? 
cunning umbra
what about Doordash?
I was rejected very quickly, and on sunday
tropic mica
same
hearty zenith
Thanks!
chilly star
which companies asked the toughest interview questions?
steep chasm
Covid really said screw you international kids
strong trail
Coursera palantir too
tropic mica
Akuna sponsors, apply fellas!
versed iron
Quant companies
tropic mica
It's funny how you have to be the top CHAD at your school and every and each aspect of your life to be an international student
Like, can't catch a break for 5 minutes
Quant companies want geniuses
tropic mica
Does Citi sponsor?
tropic mica
Does KPMG sponsor?
hearty zenith
It's not looking good
As someone said before
From dry email september
To no offer october
tropic mica
I have applied to like 50 places, got rejected from 2
Fuck FB and Doordash. All my homies hate FB and doordash
hearty zenith
It's kind of hard applying to many companies if you need H1B 🙁
U also need h1b?
I mean I think we can apply everywhere but sometimes they disclose they are not sponsoring so we just get auto reject
Interns dont need h1b?
tropic mica
I'll need h1b in about 5 years
errant isle
but some companies reject you even if you don't need h1b now
hearty zenith
I see
errant isle
cuz their internship program is a pipeline for full time
hearty zenith
U need h1b if u are currently abroad
Thats what i meant
Secret location, without h1b haha
tropic mica
I didn't know you need h1b to do an internship lol
hearty zenith
I see
tropic mica
This administration is ass
hearty zenith
Yeah @tropic mica its what andre said
You guys dont need h1b
If you are in the US
its overseas
errant isle
they don't care though 
tropic mica
Same
hearty zenith
Yeah its defenitely that way
But that way is harder
Due to corona this season has to be one of the most difficult ones haha
I agree
I think the best option is to skip this season
Get the best local internship you can
And come back next one when visas are available again
(Atleast for overseas students)
Oh yeah yeah
Apply this one too
I like your mindset bro
You are right
The previous conversation got me questioning
Who here is also currently (and has always been) studying overseas?
And is currently applying to US internships
If you see this later just let me know or send me a DM, let's connect 🙂
young moth
Can I have a quantitative trading internship if I’m a CS and physics double-major in an F-1 visa?
Is it related enough to my majors?
@proud bison I feel like there’s some chance you’d know
proud bison
Sorry I don't
tropic mica
It comes down to how your school interprets the internship
If there's anything to do with CS in it, I would press my CS department
young moth
Thanks
winter pendant
How do people even negotiate in new grad roles? Last time I was offered a PM role and asked the recruiter to change this to SWE role if they have an opening else PM is fine too, recruiter revoked the offer saying person is not 'primarily' interested in PM.
I think this is a pretty normal thing in US while in my country I wouldn't dare asking the recruiter to ramp up the compensation reason being I have another offer. I am paranoid with my last intern experience that recruiter would just ask me get lost.
quiet vine
i think its way more common for new grad offers to be negotiated than intern offers
sacred vine
^ that’s why it’s safest to negotiate with another offer in hand
even then tbh I won’t negotiate this year unless I get big brain msft offer somehow
strong zealot
I've gathered together some data and made a new table of the tech companies and their stance on visa sponsorship that will get regularly updated! Let me know if there is some other fields that might be useful to have. https://airtable.com/shrBQpk6TlmPdWzDV
There is also a form to submit your own data about new companies or update the ones that are already in the table https://airtable.com/shrqRF5sI3xryysWm
Hopefully we can crowdsource a lot of useful leads! 😊
agile lily
Hey, thanks for sharing. Maybe we can add one more field for 2020 grads if possible?
strong zealot
What kind of sponsoring would you require? Or just if the 2021 New Grad position allows 2020 grads to apply?
agile lily
Sponsoring remain the same as the one required for the 2021 grads. I was more thinking the later part where 2021 new grad position or any position in general that accepts 2020 international grads
strong zealot
You're welcome to put submit it in the comments for now and I will add it when we get a bigger sample
I'll update the form description to include this as a suggestion
agile lily
cool thanks dude!
agile lily
I submitted a response with postions offered via form but it doesn't show up on the table
another suggestion would be to include job links. Thank you!
strong zealot
I got just one submission for Neeva, was that you?
agile lily
yes, I meant to ask about the field "postions offered" not showing up on the table
strong zealot
Right, it should show up now
tropic mica
Capital One does not sponsor fellas
tropic mica
We received your information for the Campus: DevOps Intern (Summer 2021) position and at this time, our office is not hiring individuals for this position who now or in the future require sponsorship for employment, including candidates with OPT authorization.
errant isle
does doordash sponsor?
hearty zenith
Hopefully we can crowdsource a lot of useful leads! 😊
@strong zealot Yo! Thanks for that
Is the current version meant for Internships right?
solemn leaf
@opal jetty which org?
crimson cosmos
anyone know any countries other than USA that take international interns?
errant isle
I know that Shopee in singapore take intl interns (possibly remote only bcuz of covid)
crimson cosmos
i think i applied there. didn't hear back yet.
it seems singapore and some companies in japan do it
hearty zenith
Hey guys
Does anybody now about conferences / fairs / events specific for international / overseas students?
hearty zenith
And I repeat my message from before!
Who here is also currently (and has always been) studying overseas?
And is currently applying to US internships
If you see this later just let me know or send me a DM, let's connect :)
leaden iron
Anyone heard back from IBM? Or had OA for them?
amber wyvern
took an L
tropic mica
I never heard back from IBM, even got referred.
near breach
Did the IBM interviews last year for fun
Super easy
One OA is even mental ability games
opal jetty
i cold applied, no referral
leaden iron
Neither did I, and I don't know how reliable is their application progress tracker
For past 2 weeks it's on submitted, and hasn't moved
@opal jetty O really? For some reason i considered IBM as sure thing for visas :/
Ty on information
opal jetty
they’re not doing it this year
i even told the recruiter i have opt for 3 years lol
i might just apply for internships back home for next summer
leaden iron
Yeah that sucks
I had local internships for past 2 years in a row, it's time to go somewhere else next summer hopefully
tropic mica
They probably do (don’t take my word for it but they’re massive)
errant isle
IBM doesn't sponsor this year right
tropic mica
Haven't heard otherwise man
opal jetty
anyone knows if mckinsey sponsors
hearty zenith
It's definitely worded wierdly
I'd say yes? Because you can obtain authorization, although you will need a sponsorship
solemn leaf
Is this channel for non-US uni students who are applying in the US?
cunning umbra
@solemn leaf all non us-citizens
hearty zenith
Yep, everyone is welcomed! Overseas or international! @solemn leaf 
I've found out there are not many of us (international overseas students) so if you want to connect send me a DM! 
tropic mica
Target reject bc sponsorship issue
hearty zenith
errant isle
I was reached out by a Target recruiter. Prepared a lot for the phone screen just to get “sorry i didnt know you were international”
young moth
Just to make sure -- these are the options I should select if I am in an F-1 visa, right?
tropic mica
That's what I always do
young moth
^ Ugh, I meant to select "Yes" for both options
Good thing I haven't sent that application yet
lethal wing
Yeah I think they should both be Yes
primal aspen
Hey guys, can confirm that Microsoft will start its Recruiting Process for South America in January 2021, saw it announced by a recruiter. If anyone is from South America, keep that date in mind!
lethal wing
Most companies hire interns for returns so I think the second question does matter
primal aspen
Also this process might apply for other countries in the southern hemisphere? Not super sure about that
lethal wing
Do you know when they will start the process for North America?
primal aspen
No idea, really 😦
lethal wing
Okay 🙂
primal aspen
Yeah @copper plinth , I know people from my University who got hired. I think they always offer winter positions (summer in South America).
primal aspen
No prob! If you have Facebook, search for "Friends of microsoft college recruiting", there is one group for each south american country basically lol
primal aspen
Yup @copper plinth, at least that's when the people I know got to go
dry halo
Hi I’m just wondering do I select no for “do you require sponsorship to work in the US” If I have canadian citizenship, because I just found out TN visa doesn’t really require sponsorship as long as you have an offer
Anyone had the same situation?
hidden jewel
For that you can just write no
you only have to write yes for "will require sponsorship in the future"
dry halo
Wait sorry whats the difference for that
Like I’m just applying for internships in the US
dry halo
Oh ok i see
So i will still need sponsorship since I’m applying for intern positions
Ah I thought TN can be used for interns too but well
cunning umbra
so for new grad we put no visa if Canadian?
grave ferry
Canadian new grads should never need sponsorship as long as they are on the TN visa right?
Given that we renew the TN Visa every 3 years
craggy mango
usually you wouldn't renew more than twice
cus TN means you don't intend to stay there forever
realistically you'd want to transition to H1-B
tropic mica
Dammit.
stoic gorge
Is there any international here who got Amazon new grad interview scheduled?
cunning umbra
Right but like if I’m applying to new grad rn and don’t have a tn visa yet
Do I say yes I need sponsorship ?
Or no because we can get TN independently
grave ferry
tn visa is just a document that u sign and ur company sign
and u show up at the border with it
and ur let in
correct me if I'm wrong guys
quiet vine
i also struggle with that question
if you say yes, then you might get visa screened
but if you say no and get the offer and they don't want to sponsor, then they might get mad
grave ferry
yea im scared of pissing them off too
safe current
if they can't sponsor wont you get ur offer rescinded
winter pendant
Since H1b is kind of a lottery system, even if a company is ready to sponsor but you fail to secure the Visa, are the companies generally open to transfer you to some other offices?
tropic mica
Yes, the bigger ones with global presence
smoky tree
Hey guys, anyone here who're targeting only front-end roles for 2021?
tropic mica
I am targeting anything I can get
twilit spire
^^
graceful yoke
Haha, same
tropic mica
We about to find out
hearty zenith
From Google's Intern job post:
"Participation in the internship program requires that you are located in the United States for the duration of the internship program."
Can overseas students apply?
deft copper
Yea but i think for tax purposes you have to be in the US if its remote
tropic mica
Does Intuit sponsor?
errant isle
Yes. Just talked to their recruiter now
they however had layoffs this year and intern conversion was dependent on team’s availability
heady lodge
does databricks sponsor?
hollow tusk
I mean whether they do or not why not to just apply
Everyone gets rejected from everywhere anyways
heady lodge
thats the spirit
errant isle
i would put no if it's not in future tense
lethal wing
Yep it is not in future tense I would put no
tropic mica
Does Fidelity sponsor?
errant isle
no
tropic mica
FUCK
wind root
wait how come you put no if its not future tense? because no sponsorship or visa required for short term work?
tropic mica
Does Deloitte sponsor lmao
tropic mica
Does Palo Alto Hire?
tropic mica
FUCK I was banking on Deloitte.
hearty zenith
I repeat my message from last week
Who here is also currently studying overseas?
If you see this later just let me know or send me a DM, let's connect :)
hearty zenith
like currently attending a university outside the us but looking for us internships
wind root
same only looking for us new grad rejections heh
hearty zenith
Apparently no one else
@crimson cosmos id say yeah, just a very little percentage
everytime I post that message again someone messages me so I think we are making progress towards a connected community of overseas students haha
crimson cosmos
I'm open to outside of us
But it's so hard to find companies that will deal with the legal parts
hearty zenith
yeah definitely
id say overseas to us is easier than the other way around
as top us companies are used to sponsorship
crimson cosmos
Anyone with knowledge of indian recruiting scene?
I'm studying in us rn and Idk where to go to recruit for companies in india
strong trail
ya im a canadian living in canada looking for u.s. internship rejections
@final basin same
craggy mango
I need to go on 90 day fiance and cop that green card
tropic mica
I must know, does MongoDB/Bloomberg hire international folks?
craggy mango
bloomberg should also I think
craggy mango
nice what stage are u at with them?
tropic mica
Phone next week
craggy mango
same
tropic mica
Wish you the very best
craggy mango
you too bro
tropic mica
There is so much pressure on my shoulders oh god
tropic mica
Junior year -> full time on top of this administration
craggy mango
so pressure is heavy
tropic mica
Bruh it's draining
craggy mango
I feel like if I don't get this them I won't get anything else
hearty zenith
u guys got this
tropic mica
Nah bro
Same shit as college admissions
You don't get one but you find home in the one you get
Everything will work out in the end, I promise
craggy mango
🙏
strong trail
😦
shit no dox
h
elp
no
no
neither
wtf
did not
apply
xd
how tf did joma get bloomberg
and yelp
damn
nice
he got yext too
2nd coop
lik
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?
?
?
well
he got offer
o
fuck man
why
lets go to #rant
craggy mango
it used to be way easier to cali on ww
also bloomberg rejected me
grades too shit
soon ™️
wind root
whered u put it lmao
craggy mango
oh lol
wind root
ive seen people put a bunch of keywords and then put em in white font
at the bottom or in a textbox
to beat the autoparsers lul
idk if it works
tropic mica
What kinda words would u put lol
wind root
lmaao
hearty zenith
they do sponsor as far as I know
hearty zenith
their OA is automated!
solemn leaf
shit
I felt happy after receiving OA
they are just like databricks I guess xD
tropic mica
It’s really hard man, I wouldn’t say impossible but damn near to it
The thing is that the being a CS major helps but being a non CS major on top of being international is a whole different ballgame
Non the less, keep applying and keep grinding
hearty zenith
it's really hard even being a cs major
if you really want to get recruited you should concider it as a long term-goal
maybe build different projects, attend to hackathons and find some local internships and apply next year for 2022
bright lynx
The path usually goes like this for foreigner new grad: Get MS in the USA -> apply for a job while studying there -> profit (minus tons of debt)
mint hare
Do we have a list of companies offering sponsorship?
hearty zenith
Not a complete one
I will be working on one for winter!
In the meanwhile we have a list of companies that do not sponsor!
Check pinned messages
tropic mica
Y’all saw the new rules?
unkempt epoch
wut rules
plucky hound
if you dont have any work permit yet fill None
dense mantle
just confirmed with a Samsara Recruiter they will sponsor J-1 Visas so do apply there in case you guys haven't
tropic mica
General Motors doesn’t sponsor
tropic mica
Deloitte doesn't sponsor
opal jetty
it’s hard for canadians this year too?
wind root
Yes
young moth
Am I filling this right?
Should I select only F-1 OPT? Or EAD as well?
And H-1B
Should it be like this?
lethal wing
I think I would select f1 opt and h1b without ead cuz I have no idea what ead is
drowsy ingot
don't select h1b
young moth
Huh. Why? @drowsy ingot
drowsy ingot
you have 3 years of OPT
don't put visas you don't need immediately after college
if you put OPT it's implied that you will need H1b in the future
if you put H1b then the interpretation is that you need h1b sponsorship upon being offered a role
which is a completely different + more complicated process than just getting your school to sign off on opt
hidden jewel
^This
it would just be F1 OPT
That way the company knows that they can employ you for 3 years without any hassle
young moth
Okay
little bison
^ this x2
lethal wing
wow impressive now I know what to select in the future
wind root
Figure it went well?
wind root
Yea for me just looking like waiting till next year when Canadian posts start coming out
grave ferry
Will Facebook provide TN Visas?
tropic mica
Does Wells Fargo sponsor
static musk
International students in the US or anyone familiar with hiring international students, If I have an OPT, but the company doesn't sponsor work visas for anyone in the future, will the company disqualify my application on the grounds of me being able to work for only 3 years?
Asking because most companies coming to my campus do not sponsor work authorization.
tropic mica
That is the hardest thing to deduce man.
lethal wing
ask them
proud bison
software engineers usually don't work at companies for more than 3 years but they still discriminate you based on citizenship, it's ridiculous
proud bison
like bruh, if you work there for 3 years, and you still want them, and they still want you, it means you are a glorious fit, and they would be willing to go through whatever immigration bullshit it takes to keep you lol
tropic mica
I don't understand how a country so undervalue STEM graduates
strong zealot
Not sure if someone mentioned it already - Dropbox sponsors but they are not opening their New Grad 2021 applications at all this recruiting season.
rain tundra
Should I still apply as a freshman studying online at home (non-us)?
I think my Cpt been only active since Spring 2022
If my school returns on-campus next Spring
sullen ridge
any of u guys get interviews yet?
@wind root yeah
Don't live in the US
have some interviews
I think a lot of the bigger companies are still open for sponsorship
definitely got turned down a lot too
DRW, Optiver, 2Sig are all examples
wind root
what do u say for required visa? needed h1b?
wind root
a ok, thanks. learning about all the visa types US got lol
hearty zenith
have some interviews
@sullen ridge Nice! What companies are you getting the better responses from?
sullen ridge
@sullen ridge Nice! What companies are you getting the better responses from?
@hearty zenith Wdym?
tropic mica
Which companies did you get a response from despite being international?
sullen ridge
ummmm let me check my list
Failed Robinhood, Bridgewater, Dropbox's phone screen
In the process for Akuna, Nuro, Facebook, Stripe, Point 72, Snapchat, SIG, Lyft, Uber, Mongo, IMC, DRW, Jump and a few others to not dox myself
I'd say that
most are fair game and provide sponsorship?
just a few are super anal
like Optiver, 2Sig, Squarepoint etg
sullen ridge
hahaha well I can only like take one right
haven't had any offers form firms I really really want yet so, might fail others
tropic mica
aren't u a sophomore?
tropic mica
bro I have been applying to these damn companies since freshman year week two
didn't land shit freshman year
landed a startup sophomore year
and here we are again junior year...
when will this shit stop
sullen ridge
ahhaha the grind never stops bro
tropic mica
and then u have goddamn H1b shit after this
sullen ridge
yeah it's rough
lethal wing
It will be at least a few years
I already decided to do this for 10 years
maybe 15
tropic mica
elevated levels of stress?
sullen ridge
PartyPopper are you Canadian? Trump's visa ban doesnt even apply to canadians
@floral ledge It doesn't?
J-1 is still banned right?
@sullen ridge what role for akuna?
@gusty spade qd
to get J-1?
hm is that what you did last summer or?
yeah ahahahha
sullen ridge
oh shit that's nuts
thanks for the info guys
so it is still technically possible
to go onsite next summer
tawny vault
What do you guys think about international students attending conferences like SHPE 2020 National Conference?
random tusk
What do you guys think about international students attending conferences like SHPE 2020 National Conference?
@tawny vault international students should be fine
wind root
gotta wait for canada apps to come out in the new year 😂
dim cove
when do canada apps usually come out for summer?
craggy mango
around january
dim cove
ok sweet
unkempt epoch
are canadians exempt from j1 ban?
craggy mango
I don't think so
don't think you can get one until the end of the year
possibly longer
unkempt epoch
no just curious 
sick viper
Hope you are all having a splendid week so far!
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tropic mica
We already in college tho
safe tree
drowsy ingot
ok this sounds like it's bad but at least people won't get exploited off h1bs anymore :/
terse flare
do you guys think companies auto-reject if the answer for "needing sponsorship" is yes? or am i just not qualified
craggy mango
depends if they sponsor
lofty siren
Bro fuck trump
You’re already half dead and still trying to torture international students
proud bison
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-announces-overhaul-of-h-1b-visa-program-11602017434
@safe tree if this shit passes, then I don't know if companies will be even hiring internationals anymore
this is designed to disrupt tech companies which hire foreign software engineers
I also don't think Biden will revert this cuz this looks as if it's good for Americans
this document specifically says that "computer industry will be affected the most by this bill" bruh
errant isle
better get a high paying internship for this summer before getting deported
proud bison
yesterday was also introduced a bill to make H1b even worse than this and abolish "outrageous F1 OPT"
it's the last month of the devil in the office and they still manage to destroy our lives
drowsy ingot
vote plz
proud bison
idk anyone here can vote
lofty siren
.
twin carbon
we do realize that american government is elected for the american right, just like any other country
what we can do now is to work harder, because things is getting tougher
job market and economy is bad
lofty siren
Sure
But of all countries in the world
Only america brands itself on accepting diverse ppl from the world and give them opportunities
Because of this many Americans believe that that’s the case and are completely unaware of the shit we have to go thru
Tell this to ppl in ice camps
“Sure u don’t have human dignities preserved but Americans are also going thru shit”
twin carbon
no matter who won the election, the fact is that things will still get tougher
lofty siren
I’m no5 comparing myself to someone in an ice camp btw
Just saying this rhetoric doesn’t work
Look I’m sorry if you’re parents are going thru rough times
I’m not saying Americans are free of trouble
I am saying that is not an excuse to ignore the problems foreign ppl are facing
Because if that’s the response we get every time foreigners complain of sth
Nothing will ever get done
twin carbon
i think it comes back to the fact that american government will only work for the interest for their citizens
yes thats the point
lofty siren
Right, but that’s a dangerous path to go down to
Does that mean in that case the us government has no responsibility whatsoever to other ppl
As long as it’s benefiting Americans
So where do u draw the line of, how much is sacrificing the interests of foreigners is enough
When it’s not even clear that such actions will actually benefit Americans
reef thistle
His point is that it's a little hypocritical for a country to brand itself on accepting diverse people and giving them opportunities, but also make it insanely difficult for a foreigner to get a job here. And people seem to forget that
lofty siren
??? The policy shown above?
It’s not what everyone can get now
We have to go thru a lottery for gods sake
After qualifying for everything
glacial laurel
im not sure of these changes trump proposing is doing tho bc wsj locks the article
lofty siren
And sure, I’m not immediately facing death or anything
But for the past two months
I’ve been worried everyday cause it seems Trump was always proposing new stuff
drowsy ingot
alright regardless of what you think let's not wish that people die
glacial laurel
what are the changes trump is trying to make
cant read the article bc wsj requires logging in
lofty siren
Raising minimum salary for H1B recipients
The salary is defined in terms of percentiles
Within the same region/position
drowsy ingot
ok well tbh if you're working at faang or unicorn it's not like you'll be affected
twin carbon
i think there will be less exploitation of foreign worker tbh
glacial laurel
wont that heavily affect WITCH?
which is good bc they abuse the immigration system
and hurt everyone aiming for the same visas as well
drowsy ingot
+1 to farmer sim
glacial laurel
ig it depends by how much they raise it
drowsy ingot
h1b farms are really bad with consulting firms
drowsy ingot
yeah honestly it's sounding like this mainly affects witch
which im 100% onboard with
errant isle
but like will they consider things like levels?
cuz there are tons of ppl with the same title software engineer
50 percentile would be way too high if you kinda consider them all together
lofty siren
It’s 45 percentile for L1
twin carbon
i think its actually better for american and international
no worker exploitation, thus allowing international with better qualification to actually get a visa
lofty siren
The thing tho is most ppl attend witch voluntarily
Like I know ppl who couldn’t find a job
Use these firms as a gateway into faang
glacial laurel
WITCH shouldnt be getting any h1bs
twin carbon
there is some people that work in goldman sachs as investment banker that get denied visa three year consecutively due to the lottery system
glacial laurel
H1B is a highly skilled worker visa
lofty siren
So these firms can drive up the salary and just ask the employees to give them back
twin carbon
bad for america because they lost a talent, and bad for that person that work so hard
glacial laurel
ppl who are highly skilled should be getting them
twin carbon
i agree on that ^
glacial laurel
WITCH does a lot of shady shit to get those h1bs screwing over everyone else trying to get them legitimately
twin carbon
lottery system is not efficient
lofty siren
No exactly that’s why witch will have ways to deal w this new policy
glacial laurel
yeah they prob will
twin carbon
i would prefer merit system over the lottery system lol
twin carbon
at least you can get it if you work hard, as opposed to depending on luck
glacial laurel
isnt there like a points system
drowsy ingot
is everyone from faang just gonna get in
twin carbon
by cutting worker exploitation is the first step i think
lofty siren
Worker exploitation isn’t cut as easily as “raising minimum salary for visa”
twin carbon
but it will definitely cut the amount of people hired by WITCH
glacial laurel
search up canadas points system
lofty siren
Like I said, witch will have a way
glacial laurel
i think they have a pretty good system for skilled workers
lofty siren
Then it’s others with actual merit who auffer
twin carbon
the way will be paying the 45 percentile, not 17 percentile
its kind of like rising the minimum wage tbh
errant isle
tldr: 45th percentile for entry level workers, 95th percentile for higher skilled workers
not sure how to interpret higher-skilled though. I’m assuming experienced candidates
lofty siren
Btw, in San Francisco 45th percentile is 140k in base pay rn
fresh fulcrum
For entry level?
errant isle
lol msft base salary for new grad is 110k
deft copper
Trump sucks
lofty siren
Basically forbidding most international students from getting jobs
deft copper
Yupp
lofty siren
The only thing we can do is to make sure everyone is aware of this
So get enough attention and have a court strike it down hopefully
rocky scroll
This will basically kill all the tech consultancy companies in the US.
twin carbon
the thing that i like to remind myself as an international is that dont hope that the rules will play in our favor, we dont really have any say in the US politics
just try our best to better ourselves
proud bison
bruh why y'all are talking about minimum salaries
they are changing the definition of specialty occupancy
to hit engineering industry
they specifically said that if you are a medical doctor, lawyer, and stuff, then it's well defined that you need a degree to work in that field, but if you are a software developer, then it's not clear, and if someone would be able to just learn how to do the job on their own and then go work without getting the degree, then this job is not eligible for H1b
and all employers sponsoring software engineers will now need to explicitly prove why degree is needed for this job
and there will be constant inspections in the company and shit
idk if companies will be even willing to continue sponsoring H1bs with all this shit
dense mantle
Man idk I was planning to come for a masters but after looking at all of this it feels so scary to spend so much money to just to be kicked out.
proud bison
yeah, the worst part is that if Biden wins, he likely won't revert this policy because that would look bad for him
and Trump administration knows this and explicitly said that
let's hope that FAANG and prominent unicorns will continue sponsoring H1bs, I'm not even hoping for others at this point
dense mantle
Also did you guys see how trump is planning to kick out PhD's who don't complete their degree in 4 years or something like that
proud bison
not PhDs
everyone on F1
it will also allow them to kick you out before you get OPT
dense mantle
proud bison
senators that are hard on immigration call OPT "outrageous"
dense mantle
F
proud bison
this will be the most important election of our lives and we cannot even participate in it lmao
lofty siren
It’s not even about the election it’s just abt blocking this from happening
proud bison
If Trump doesn't lose then this nightmare will keep only getting worse and worse
judge blocked some H1b ban like last week
maybe there is still hope, but if Trump doesn't lose then I don't think so
lofty siren
Yeah definitely
cunning umbra
So dudes, are we fucked?
On the flip side there probably won't be a H1B lottery right
Coz so few people will be qualified for that shit now
Would have been better if it wasn't this drastic change in wage levels or if they counted in bonus and RSUs as well
Well there goes the American dream
The prevailing wage part will be in affect from tomorrow so will that be changed even if the tech companies Sue?
Hopefully Trump doesn't win but will Biden change this? Let's be honest, nobody gives a fuck about us in the US
lofty siren
Biden won’t change it
We need to block it from happening
So just write to ur school’s officials, and inform ur friends about this
proud bison
that's what Trump wants everyone to think
in reality, we are all going to get fucked because of some Indian companies that were underpaying H1bs
sure
whatever
none of us have an impact on that anyway
let's just pray Trump loses and the extent to which we are fucked will be reduced
cunning umbra
i think there will still be a h1b lottery and itll be more likely for people who are actually competent (faang/unicorn workers) to get in
@cunning umbra according to last year stats around 60-70% of the current H1Bs are from previous level 1 and level 2
proud bison
yeah, it's such a meritocracy that at this point family-based visa is basically the only type of green card where you don't need to bet your whole life on a small chance of achieving american dream lol
cunning umbra
yeah, it's such a meritocracy that at this point family-based visa is basically the only type of green card where you don't need to bet your whole life on a small chance of achieving american dream lol
@proud bison true
Btw look at this
I estimated the new prevailing wages for NYC/SF/SEA using z-scores and the new %-iles.
For NYC: (I II III IV) = (116,003 137,323 160,321 203,405)
For SF: (I II III IV) = (138,283 162,157 187,910 236,155)
For SEA: (I II III IV) = (128,082 148,708 170,957 212,639)
And remember, this is just base salary. The calculations for prevailing wages doesn't include bonuses or stock options. So your base salary should be this.
proud bison
sounds about right, honeslty I thought it would be even more
I don't believe non-Americans are lesser beings
cunning umbra
Who gives a base of 140k for new grads and that's current stats
deft copper
Microsoft gives like 110 base
cunning umbra
If this is implemented the lower wage will be gone which would increase the median
proud bison
yeah they basically want to cut the F1-OPT-H1b-green card-citizenship path
they don't want smart people in this country
cunning umbra
theyre simply just raising the bar
@cunning umbra not evn Faang gives that
proud bison
yr
ye
"simply just raising the bar" lmao
the rule about prevailing wages makes basically only hedge funds eligible for H1b new grads lmao
and then
the other rule
just disrupts software engineering H1bs to an extent that barely any company would be willing to do it anymore
glacial laurel
i feel like some people forget the purpose of the h1b visa
proud bison
and gives the immigration officials the power to arbitrarily end any H1bs life
I think Trump didn't even want to do that because he knew it's going to worsen the economy, it's just a political thing so voters think that Trump is restoring American jobs through doing it
DHS wanted to implement those rules since 2017 and Trump didn't want to agree, and now all of a sudden, 1 month before election it comes lmao
@cunning umbra I mean there is not really a basis for anyone not to approve it
unless they cannot do it without congress
but if they can
cunning umbra
80? 90?
proud bison
then welp
cunning umbra
Well that's the top 55% of software engineers in those specific cities
It definitely depends on the city if it's 140k
proud bison
they want a new grad to make more than half of engineers in the same area
some people also say that these rules that they implement 1 month before election are so arbitrary that it's only political and they will be challenged in court soon and be rejected lol
im still not too negative about this whole thing because i think they arent going to do something stupid to worsen the economy
@cunning umbra I mean it's not really a thing to do good for America, it's just populism for elections
Americans actually support this
because people lost jobs and they are looking for someone to blame for it
glacial laurel
idk attacking WITCH companies that hurt the immigration process the most seems pretty good to me. the number changes def seem weird tho and too high
proud bison
@glacial laurel attacking WITCH companies is good
but it's not attacking WITCH
it's just attacking all tech industry
glacial laurel
@cunning umbra thats why i said the last sentence
the numbers do need to change if u want to tackle WITCH but the way its being proposed def isnt right
proud bison
also if Google pays like $110k base salary for a new grad
and they want to keep H1bs
then they will be forced to raise salary for H1bs
and keep the same for americans lol
proud bison
there are so many ways in which they could have resolved WITCH problem, but instead they hit H1b with sledgehammer
@copper plinth yeah, I think this will have even bigger impact than those salaries
proud bison
so why not just open a fake H1b office in Montana or some random state
glacial laurel
companies will just give more base and less bonus and stocks as a work around
@cunning umbra this is likely what will just happen
proud bison
where 45% would be like $60k instead of $140k
they may keep exploiting H1bs while normal companies need to struggle with crazy requirements
glacial laurel
honestly other tech scenes just need to grow
soft rover
lmaooo im gonna flee to BB now to get 140 base
proud bison
yeah but US shouldn't be helping other tech scenes grow
they become less and less attractive to high skilled people every year
glacial laurel
how would that be bad for highly skilled workers abroad
thats just bad for the us
proud bison
honestly if other countries were able to keep up with US salaries
nobody would be going to the US at this point
how would that be bad for highly skilled workers abroad
@glacial laurel yeah, I meant it's bad for the US
Switzerland
soft rover
Switzerland COL is high as fuck
proud bison
I think Switzerland is like 75% of US salary, then all other is like half lmao
glacial laurel
its less than the US but it isnt bad at the top companies
soft rover
you need 20$ for a decent breakfast
proud bison
@copper plinth yeah but the salary is craaazy in the US
new grad gets total comp like $200k
glacial laurel
yeah but u also have the added stress of H1B while ur here
proud bison
in UK you would get like 60
glacial laurel
H1B is not a great path to GC (and never really was meant to be all that much unfortunately)
esp if ur from certain countries
due to caps
proud bison
yeah, some people work on H1b long enough that they get rich enough to get investor based green card instead lmao
glacial laurel
although i do hear some ppl just work around with good salary for some years save up and leave
bc with the amount of money they'll have
proud bison
@copper plinth yeah, but it's something that is possible, if someone has to wait 20 years for a green card, they look for any possibility to avoid it
@glacial laurel yeah and it's also bad for the US
cuz it's basically stealing money from the US
proud bison
if you live on H1b you cannot really do anything
like what, you will buy a house
then crisis comes
and Trump is like
yo, gtfo from the US H1bs
cunning umbra
Lol
quiet vine
damn i didnt even think of that
proud bison
and you have kids and a house and everything in the US
or actually work for a bit in the US, don't spend a lot
then go to a different country
and have an actual life
but it's also easy to say
if someone lives 10 years in the US
they are basically foreigners in their own country at this point
cunning umbra
Well we still have opt and we don't have to pay FICA taxes
So that's a bright side to look at things
proud bison
@cunning umbra yeah, let's pray OPT stays
cunning umbra
It's just 3 years and that too for stem so it will stay and universities will fight for it
proud bison
@cunning umbra OPT STEM is very fragile cuz it was created by an executive order
Trump may end it any time he wants
and they want to end OPT too
basically every year
cunning umbra
But universities will fight for it
proud bison
they introduce a new bill int he congress
and try to abolish OPT
fortunately till democrats control it, it's unlikely to pass
cunning umbra
They can't abolish opt with executive order
proud bison
ye
cunning umbra
Opt stem extension will be another scene altogether tho
errant isle
I honestly think a big number of universities will not be able to survive if these things happen and intl students decide not to go to us
proud bison
but also they just introduced that "reapply every 4 years for F1"
proud bison
so if an immigration officer doesn't want to extend you F1, you cannot use OPT lol
Trump administration introduced like 3 big changes to F1/H1bs a month before election
let's hope nothing more is about to come
cunning umbra
Meh i wouldn't put it past that fucker
proud bison
this stands no chance to pass through congress
but still
wtf is wrong with those people
or those bills to stop giving F1 visas to students from China
yeah
it's fuckin ridiculous
this immigration system is so broken
glacial laurel
@copper plinth the reason is due to country caps
proud bison
I agree there are some major changes needed, but the way they are trying to "fix it" is just smashing it with sledgehammer
glacial laurel
uh not necessarily
proud bison
instead of Indians waiting 100 years, everyone will be waiting 20 years
or even if 10 years, it's still ridiculous
they allow those people to live in this country and work anyone, why not just give more green cards so those people have stable lives
why is it such a big difference for them if you are 20 years on green card or 20 years on H1b
yeah, I've seen Canadian immigration system, it's so easy lol
if you got a job offer in Canada you are like automatically in
glacial laurel
does canada have as many ppl trying to immigrate there as the usa
proud bison
not yet
glacial laurel
in terms of tech ppl just dont want to go to canda
bc higher salaries in the us
but tbh
canada has decent salaries in tech
at least in the top companies
proud bison
is the number of citizens the only reason why they don't increase the number of green cards
@copper plinth wait what
where
oh TC
does Canada also pay in stocks
glacial laurel
yes
proud bison
oh okay then it may be a bit higher than what I saw
is Canadian dollar worth as much in Canada as American dollar in the US tho
proud bison
yeah but also the thing with the US is that you live in that stress but only for some time
and at some point
you get a green card
brisk gull
idk if this is completely on topic rn, but if i understand correctly, can CompE majors not work in Software Engg jobs? or is that more to do with EE?
errant isle
and the lottery sucks
quiet vine
no i agree, i think canada is looking better and better
proud bison
@brisk gull after this new rules becomes current, yes, they cannot work in SWE
brisk gull
@brisk gull after this new rules becomes current, yes, they cannot work in SWE
@proud bison tf man I'm in compE and my curriculum is almost the same as a CS major, should I look to transfer to CS then?
proud bison
@brisk gull I mean the rule they are implementing is so fucked up that it will all be up to the immigration official to determine
so like
if you are compE
quiet vine
its already very confusing
proud bison
and your employer can prove
that compE education specifically is needed for this job
then they may say that it's fine
but if that particular job position
doesn't require education from compE specifically
then there is no chacne
quiet vine
from what i've heard, its the opposite problem for TN
brisk gull
Thats so weird whats the point of this?
quiet vine
TN allows you come if you are an "engineer"
so you have to prove that you are a software engineer
proud bison
this rule will be worse than the salary rule
quiet vine
not a computer "scientist"
proud bison
because salary rule is a transparent requirement
give this salary and you are fine
but this rule
will just allow them to arbitrarily end you
@quiet vine idk, it's really fucked up
you may be even fucked if you are comp sci
they may claim the job duties don't require comp sci education or sth so you are not eligible for H1b
brisk gull
so whats the move here? i dont even know if i should stay in ece or switch schools to cs
lmao
proud bison
honestly I'd wait a bit
and hope it gets smashed in the court
if not then maybe it will become more clear with time
glacial laurel
the move is to go to canada 
proud bison
you will be able to see how this shit plays out in practice
glacial laurel
h1b has always been a mess
brisk gull
im a sophomore so ive got a while
proud bison
im not super familiar with the whole immigration process but can my employer just file for a green card directly from opt without having to go through h1b and the lottery?
@cunning umbra yes
but they also implement some of those rules to EB3 and EB2 green cards
they are changing salary requirements for EB3 to the same as those new H1b requirements
I mean honestly I think the major obstacle with green card is the wait time
and it may be more problematic and expensive for employer to file for green card instead of H1b
I'm not sure, the major advantage with eb3 over h1b is that there is no lottery
I think other requirements may be pretty much similar
and how is this not a more popular route to a green card?
@cunning umbra I think it's more problematic for the company and they may prefer H1b
to "test you out" for longer
I know companies do that sometimes, but I saw statistics and like 75% eb3 fillings are for H1b holders
I think H1b is pretty straightforward (or at least it used to be before those new rules) for employers
and H1b may require a lot of expensive paperwork and lawyers
there is shit tone of requirements and forms to fill out
I mean it all depends on case-to-case basis, and how the much the employer likes you, if they love you enough to go through the GC hell for you, they may do that at any time
H1b is just much easier for them so if they don't have to go through GC they would probably prefer H1b
especially since H1bs are up to 6 years and most people don't even work that long for one company
just try to be very good at your job so they see that you are really irreplaceble
yeah but also you cannot work in the US until you are selected for GC
so if you have to wait 20 years for GC
then no employer will be waiting for you
but if you have 3 years
STEM OPT
and it takes 1 year for you to get approved for GC
then why not
yeah but also note that Biden/Harris want to take down per-country caps
and it will decrease time for indians
but increase for you
there is a set number of GCs available
rn only 7% of it may go to Indians
and if 80% of applicants are Indian
then they have incrediblly long wait time
and everyone else basically gets immediately
but if they take it down
then wait time will just be fairly distributed among everyone
soft rover
is there a cap on how many times you can apply for h1b
lofty siren
I think 3 yrs and you’re out
Rn the best move is just to apply to companies with Canadian divisions
soft rover
ohh im on F-1 visa 😦
lofty siren
Yeah that’s what I mean