2021_grads

[oblique bolt]

I thought you just quit randomly lmao

[timber pike]

Ye same lmao

[civic rivet]

Lol no I wouldn’t do that

[knotty basin]

like fuck this im out

throws down computer

[civic rivet]

It’s remote

[knotty basin]

is this for google? i cant rmbr

[civic rivet]

Arkanice the legend is here???

[oblique bolt]

Also pog

Double the pay + remote is dope

[knotty basin]

i just lurk

yeah damn that’s one of those “offers i can’t refuse” deals

[forest moat]

Sup y’all I’m curious if this plays any part of the interviewing process. But rn I’m interning until the end of Aug but I’m still trying to interview at other companies for full time. Would that effect my candidacy in any way? I’m trying to hopefully secure a full time offer somewhere if not the place where I’m interning rn

[worthy spear]

It shouldn’t no

[onyx surge]

Are you subject to a non-competition agreement or other agreement which would preclude or restrict your employment at Amazon or any Amazon subsidiary or affiliate? what do we say? yes right?

ok thanks

If no, have you applied for Optional Practical Training (OPT) work authorization? i'm applying right now, and will apply for ead in the end of august, is it okay to say NO

[heady kindle]

Yes

[proven fox]

Anyone here interviewed with MGM resorts for SWE 1?

[keen cipher]

has anyone here done Google's first tech screen? the 45 min one

[wind acorn]

yeah "no" is the answer

you'd def know if you were under an NDA/non-compete

[dreamy crest]

Is Basic Calculator a common interview question

[worthy spear]

Fb uni grad position posted

[timber pike]

Still can’t figure out if this is for next year

Or this year

[worthy spear]

Anyone know much about old mission capital? Can’t find much online

[pastel skiff]

got it before so 🤷‍♂️

[feral marten]

You can only use this command in #2021_grad_process or #2021_intern_process

[tidal crescent]

Same

I would say it’s a pretty common question

[frozen eagle]

Any tips for Amazon final 30 mins never had an interview before

[ornate charm]

👀

[ocean venture]

Study your OA2 solution and practice explaining it

Otherwise congrats

Ez interview

[frozen eagle]

Rip I wish I had saved it

[frozen eagle]

Thank you don't know how it happened tbh

[carmine valve]

Anybody done the final round interview for Akuna capital?
Wondering what I should focus on studying

It's for the Junior Python Dev role

[pure hedge]

Hey @patent trail, https://www.linkedin.com/in/vinayaksharma05/, Software Engineer. Thanks!

[grand tangle]

I am getting similar mails

[ocean venture]

I also got rejected after being reached out to by a recruiter

And after getting an OA for AWS

So who tf knows what they doin

Yeah it's just a boilerplate

Wouldn't think anything of it

[unreal garnet]

When did u apply?

[frozen eagle]

End of May I believe

[unreal garnet]

Ah okay

Gd congrats on 30min final

[frozen eagle]

Thank you! 😭

[jade juniper]

Hey guys, i heard that companies are doing on-site at their HQs. Is this correct? So no more online on-site?

[inland spear]

Which companies ?

[jade juniper]

Snap for example

[inland spear]

Ohh

[knotty basin]

fuck that

any company doing a physical onsite this year or ever can suck my dick lol

cmon man it saves them sm money why would they do that

ahhhhhhhhhhhhh

[oblique bolt]

Pls name and shame so I know to avoid

[slow breach]

come checkout our billion dollar hq that even our employees don’t wanna return to

[oblique bolt]

@Apple lol

Theyre forcing people to come back

I think

[slow breach]

[knotty basin]

why do they think this is a selling point for me or anyone oh my god who signs a job offer because of that shit

[oblique bolt]

I mean if I'm going to be miserable, might as well be miserable somewhere beautiful

[knotty basin]

i mean yeah but the miserable part should be the deal breaker

[visual lagoon]

No one does. They want people back to the office because they think its better to manage people in the office

Having a nice HQ was a sales point only because remote wasn't an option before

[granite flax]

Swear to god if they make my fly out i’ll send one of these highschoolers on the server in my place since they have time

@wet rover i’ll pay u $50 for every round u pass

[sick wharf]

Has anyone here completed 75 min final round with Intuit for their Software Engineer role?

[oblique bolt]

My cousin just got hired by Intuit back in April

I can try asking them if you want lol

[oblique bolt]

for new grad*

they just graduated in December

[sick wharf]

Could you? I would appreciate any help!

[oblique bolt]

I gotchu 👍

They're kinda slow to respond so I'll just tag you when they respond

[sick wharf]

Thanks! 🙂

[grand tangle]

Has anyone heard about the company 'American Credit Acceptance' ?

[pastel skiff]

yeah it was chill

got OOD, leetcode style problems easy -med difficulty

[hard plinth]

Anyone do a Hackerrank for Goldman Sachs?

[grand tangle]

Yes

[hard plinth]

How was it?

[grand tangle]

1 easy and 1 medium

[sick wharf]

Thank you

[fiery otter]

Anyone interview

With zendesk

??

[ocean venture]

Bro how many offers u rolling in now haha

[slow breach]

dudes on fire

[fiery otter]

Lmao I have one offer

[dim scarab]

For now

Gotta share some with me

[fiery otter]

But interviews are nice I need to get one

So I can bargain

[ocean venture]

What company if u don't mind sharing?

Oh no..

I'm sorry!n

!!

That's not Ok

There are definitely some eccentric ppl here tho

No don't be that is annoying for sure

[green scroll]

anyone interview with amazon aws?

[fiery otter]

yes brotha

amazon spree been going around

[green scroll]

woah tell me about it

[radiant snow]

if its 30mins you already got the offer

[wind pendant]

Which posting?

[green scroll]

is it possible to go from phone -> oa

[radiant snow]

The new grad role doesn't have any phone screens. Sde1 does I think

[green scroll]

i havent done oa yet but im having phone... @radiant snow

[ocean venture]

That is odd, are u sure it's new grad?

I also didn't have any phone

[wind pendant]

Nope, AWS has full onsites

[green scroll]

its SWE not new grad

[ocean venture]

Ah that's why lol nvm

[kindred flume]

I failed my Facebook interview for their internship process like a couple months ago, would that affect my chances of applying for new grad?

Does Facebook keep data on past interviews

That’s an interview I’m not proud of

[tropic thorn]

Nah you're good

[dreamy viper]

they asked me to wait for an year to apply again in my rejection email

[wanton hound]

Are companies quick to reject after on-site or do they give out offers first

[ocean venture]

I would say it depends on the company tbh

[wanton hound]

Yeah just anxious cause my recruiter apparently left so I have no contact point 😦

[rancid pawn]

Wanna decide an offer. I have Adobe, and Arcesium (DE Shaw spin-off). DE Shaw (Arcesium) pays more.

My goal is to go for an MBA in finance in near future. Which one should I choose?

[proven fox]

If your long term goal is to work in finance/fintech, Id say Arcesium cos it looks good on resume and more money will help you pay for your MBA too

[fiery otter]

Dam rlly

The vet adobe

Over*

[olive mauve]

I'm graduating this December, so I'm 2021 graduate or 2022 graduate?

[vital hawk]

^ same, we're kinda our own thing but we'd be more of a 2022 graduate imo

[dreamy crest]

2021

[digital carbon]

2022

Like you would apply for 2022 new grad roles

[golden seal]

Yeah you're considered 2021 graduate but apply to 2022 roles as it is when you'll start! (Same situation here)

[calm elm]

If there are multiple new grad postings on amazon jobs portal, should I apply for multiple or just one?

[worthy spear]

All of them if you meet the requirement

[calm elm]

Alright, thanks!

[zenith marten]

Does anyone know if fb new grad is for 2021 or 2022 start date?

[heady kindle]

Apparently it’s 2021, no one knows for sure. No harm in applying tho

[hushed socket]

I am graduating in 2021 december, is there a list of 2022 new grad roles in Canada? Cause I feel like most companies in US won’t sponsor for visa since I live in Canada and I would be rejected in the first cut.

[golden seal]

Trust the process! Lots of companies have a lot of internationals in them and that's most often why they thrive, they're out there

[tropic thorn]

Where did you hear?

[heady kindle]

Sometime in another channel told they reached out to a recruiter. The recruiter told that they’ll only begin hiring in August

[tropic thorn]

Does this mean August start date or is this when interviewing starts?

I guess it wouldn't make sense for them to post this early if they're not planning on starting interviews relatively soon

[heady kindle]

Interviewing

[heady kindle]

Yeah just apply and see what happens

[ocean venture]

So am I fucked bc i applied lmfao

[tropic thorn]

wow fuck

[ocean venture]

Why do they post them if they ain't ready

Silly

Well guess it gives me time to grok lol

[tropic thorn]

do you think fb will mass reject again this year?

in the past I've heard FB doesn't even hire new grads externally so I was super surprised to even see this posting

oh I see, I've been told most of their hc is reserved for return interns

I feel like that would mean external hiring is more competitive

is the new grad interview process at fb harder than g?

I would imagine a single round would be harder than an intenship round

like not even a single easy would get asked

oh ok gotcha

so still possible to get easies

cause when I had my fb internship interview I was only asked easies

/ mediums

no hards

[golden seal]

Same here, international student with huge debt because school in the Bay Area is EXPENSIVE

[worthy spear]

Did anyone attend the amazon new grad 3 rounds of interview?

[thorny willow]

Did anyone interview for Walt Disney? Or does anyone know the process?

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[covert prawn]

doesn't fb make you create a recruiting account for interviews now? i assume these things are tracked now.

[distant dagger]

What's the Amazon OA3 like?

[fiery otter]

Work simulation

@distant dagger

[frozen eagle]

Basically just ranking what you would do in certain workday situations

[distant dagger]

Thank you @fiery otter

[cosmic lion]

Anyone got OA from F5 networks?

[upbeat hearth]

Not yet. I will start applying this month

[hoary gull]

Has anyone have done the eBay online assessment ?

[grand tangle]

Codesignal ?

[hoary gull]

Yes

[grand tangle]

I have given

[hoary gull]

How is it in terms of difficulty ?

[grand tangle]

2 easy 1 med 1 med-hard

[hoary gull]

Were there any DP problems ?

[solid turret]

When will the next hiring season be? Graduating this fall

[oblique bolt]

It's starting soon

Late July and early August ish

[solid turret]

I bet more will hire because COVID. They’ll need numbers back uo

I’ll apply in late July early august even though I wont graduate till dec

[kindred flume]

Do most new grad interviews require the code being compileable in virtual on-site interviews?

[tidal crescent]

Usually no

But make sure to ask ur recruiter

[kindred flume]

A lot of my internship interviews wanted the code to be compiled and test cases passed in a phone screen

Every time I saw the coder pad with a compile function I get twice as nervous cause half the time I have a lot of buggy code

[tidal crescent]

Depends on the company ig

I’ve never had to compile code for an onsite

For phone screen it may be diff

[kindred flume]

Sweet, thanks homie

[runic jewel]

Are new grad interviews harder than internship or around the same?

[kindred flume]

I personally think it would be harder, I know amazon has harder questions for their OA for new grads

[knotty basin]

honestly my experience has been yes for almost every place i’ve interviewed in the past six months (to give you an idea, qualtrics, snapchat, vmware, godaddy, twitch and my partner had to compile and test theirs for google as well — so big N companies typically yes)

for both phones and onsites at all of those places

so i would expect that you will need to

and be pleasantly surprised if you don’t

[granite flax]

I’ve only had one instance where coincidentally my code didn’t run so the interviewer seemed nice and was like “well the idea is right, even idk why this won’t work”

So i left pleasantly surprised

[knotty basin]

yeah i had that experience too

[granite flax]

And did not get job

[knotty basin]

but for the most part expect to compile it

usually you can still pass that round if you articulated your thought process well and explained what you were doing — like if they can see if you weren’t under pressure or had more time you’d get it

[tidal crescent]

I had a google onsite around 2 months ago for which they didn’t require me to compile

Usually they are more concerned about your thought process rather than making sure everything is syntactically correct

Amazon also didn’t require me to compile

[knotty basin]

it varies by interviewer to be sure but to be honest i think it’s much better to be overprepared (i.e. able to get it to compile) vs underprepared and unable to get it to compile if that is asked of you

i think it’s more likely they ask you to compile it than not because that is the direction things are heading generally speaking since there isn’t whiteboarding anymore

of course if you get it to compile and pass test cases but don’t articulate your thought process and problem solving strategy you still won’t pass the interview, bc they care a lot about that and emphasize it more than if it compiles, but it certainly won’t hurt you for it to compile and can count in your favor too

besides getting it actually compiling is in general not terribly difficult if you have practiced in the language you’re interviewing in i feel like? if your solution and thought process is correct then it should be trivial to get a working solution

/ end text block lol

[kindred flume]

Oof I knew it:(

Anyone know if operating systems is important for new grad interviews for big N?

[digital carbon]

Generally not needed for interviews until you get to mid/senior level roles

But OS knowledge is really useful once you actually start the job, especially if you specialize in backend stuff

[clear zenith]

slow monday, esp being unemployed 😩

[woven quartz]

Not entirely true, i got a follow-up question that involved concurrency and parallelism at snap

Maybe i got unlucky

[digital carbon]

I did say "generally" 🙂

[woven quartz]

True

[digital carbon]

But yea for tippy top companies, never hurts to be overprepared

[buoyant ruin]

I have a two-on-one interview tomorrow morning with senior developer and a senior solution architect from different teams.

Is there anything I should expect? I'm not even sure what a solution architect would want to ask me...

[barren wadi]

What are job board platforms other than LinkedIn?
Linkedin jobs search results have more of the promoted roles rather than search result and do not suit my requirements😒

location: USA

[hard plinth]

Probably a long shot, but has anyone done an interview for Fitch Ratings?

[hollow cove]

job searching process is really frustrating

[thorn cave]

Yee

[hard plinth]

general question, will companies usually tell you if the interview is technical?

[fiery otter]

30 minute round

prb isnt technical right

[knotty basin]

most likely not

[fiery otter]

Thank u arkanice

[clear zenith]

bruh got rejected from a job a week ago bc I asked for too much 😩

[undone zinc]

how much did you ask for

[clear zenith]

70k-80k, turns out they were giving out 50k

i was like wtf

but im jobless rn tho so idk

[undone zinc]

lol is it at least remote or

[clear zenith]

nope but I liked the location so that wasnt a problem

idk I dont mind being without a job for the next couple of months but I'm having a dry couple of weeks

[golden seal]

They should democratize what California has nowadays which is your recruiter/HR person is legally obligated to give you the salary range available if you ask for it

Not that it would have made it a position you'd be interested in but maybe it would have saved some time for all parties

[clear zenith]

ngl I should have said something a bit more ambiguous, but I was on a hot interview streak so my ego got pretty inflated

[ocean venture]

Me too, not many bites lately

[clear zenith]

only a few OAs but thats it

all of them from 3+ yoe, non new grads positions, so even more unlikely

[fiery otter]

@clear zenith

Apply to zen desk

Recruiter said they recruiting heavy rn

[golden seal]

Who were your OAs from?

[golden seal]

Great! Hope you did well

[velvet zenith]

Hey guys, I got 30 minutes phone interview for Amazon, 2021 - SDE University (Job id: 1547894), can you please let me know if anyone got the same round and how did the round go?

[proven fox]

If you get 30 min after OA, its a good sign

[amber jungle]

You pretty much got the job. It's just going to be OA2 review. The interviewer will ask about code complexity, go over your code and ask you questions about it.

[proven fox]

Does amazon ghosting after OA = rejection?

[amber jungle]

What does the portal say?

[proven fox]

Application submitted

[velvet zenith]

In the mail it isn't mentioned as virtual interview, it was given as phone interview, are they both the same?

[amber jungle]

Did you give all of the OA?

[proven fox]

Me? Yea

[velvet zenith]

Yes, I have completed all the OA

[amber jungle]

@proven fox try mailing them. They have not yet rejected you. If it was a reject you will get an email.

[proven fox]

I mailed the recruiter twice but got no response, I'll try again tomorrow

[amber jungle]

@velvet zenith Then I think it's final 30 min interview. Just the OA2 review.

Yeah

[frozen eagle]

Have mine tomorrow for same job ID

[worthy spear]

you are all talking about 2021 right?

[proven fox]

Yea

[sinful raft]

yess

[velvet zenith]

All the best, so it will be the final round, right?

[amber jungle]

Yes

[frozen eagle]

Thank you! Yeah 30 minutes is final round

[velvet zenith]

thank you all

[buoyant ruin]

Crushed 3/4 interviews for f5 this morning.

But the 4th guy was this brutal senior engineer with a PhD and a thick polish accent.
So it’s impossible to feel good about the others

Kinda starting to wonder if coding is even fun anymore

[ocean venture]

Just know that leetcode is absolutely not fun and coding in a SE role is a lot more enjoyable imo

[solid crag]

50k? jesus thats really low for a cs grad

65-75k i think is reasonable for a cs grad in a LOC area.

below that should only be offered to bootcamp grads working on some local companies website, not a real swe job

[digital carbon]

That's kinda elitist but ok

[wet rover]

he's the same guy that started gatekeeping math months back lol

1 hr of whole ass drama in #general

[digital carbon]

Like who tf are we to decide who deserves a "real" swe job???

Anyways

[solid crag]

How so?

[buoyant ruin]

Jokes on all of you.
You’re not a real swe until you gate keep something from another swe

[solid crag]

Idk what you’re trying to say. My comment has nothing to do with who deserves what. If someone is offering a pittance of a salary(far below market avg) to do work that is very basic like maintaining a local non tech companies website that realistically requires no in depth knowledge, should not be soliciting someone who spent 4+ years and incurred tens of thousands of expenses.

[digital carbon]

Your comment implied that bootcamp grads aren't worthy of "real" swe jobs

[solid crag]

They’re not

[golden seal]

Interesting...

[digital carbon]

Ok so at least we're on the same page here

[golden seal]

Yeah at least it's not a misunderstanding ahah

[solid crag]

If you equate a 3-4 month bootcamp with a 4 year degree, you’re essentially saying degrees are worthless

A decent number of swe roles are also using the engineer term as a buzz word, the job doesn’t need any engineering skills

Engineer is an overly abused title

[clear zenith]

SWE is still a relatively new profession compared to other engineering fields

Assembly ONLY

[golden seal]

You seem like very fun to hang out with. @solid crag

[solid crag]

engineering implies some sort of in depth analysis and design is involved.

[golden seal]

Why wouldn’t bootcamps offer that?

[solid crag]

how do you teach theoretical foundations as well as applications within 3-4 month from scratch?

[golden seal]

Never been to one, so I can’t help but recruiters seem to say that bootcamps student have that

It just sounds like you’re salty about having it longer and more expensive. Why can’t you wish that others are as good or better than you?

Would be fun if you got teamed with people 100% coming from bootcamps. Mood will be lit I’m sure

[solid crag]

idk how you arrived at that conclusion

I wouldn't be teamed with bootcamp people, because I'm not interested in any work that boot camps teach

[golden seal]

Literally because you said that you don't think they can ever acquire your knowledge in 6 months

Yeah you're probably working on more difficult and meaningful thing 😉 Keep doing your thing you're getting there

[solid crag]

no, I can't. and 99% of people who took everything I took would not be able to in 6 months either

[golden seal]

No of course I understand, you're clearly a superior being

[solid crag]

wth does accepting reasonable time frames for aquiring knowlege have to do with being superior?

are you able to do your entire undergrad degree in 6 months? or know anyone personally who can?

[oblique bolt]

I mean aren’t bootcamps usually focused on teaching specific skills related to SWE

Rather than an entire CS curriculum

[golden seal]

Exactly! @solid crag thinks that 40k TC are reserved for bootcamp students and CS grads shouldn't ever accept something that close to 0$ ahah

[oblique bolt]

Yeah I don’t think anyone is saying a degree and boot camp teach the same things

But I think the people that learn the skills necessary for SWE are also entitled to a nice 6 figure job lol

[solid crag]

except that is not what I said

[golden seal]

"65-75k i think is reasonable for a cs grad in a LOC area.
below that should only be offered to bootcamp grads working on some local companies website, not a real swe job"

Have a good one buddy, you seem to enjoy this discussion

[solid crag]

I do as well, I just don't think you can learn all you need for a swe job within the time frame a boot camp is. it's questionable that a 4 year degree does a sufficiently good enough of of preping for it

[oblique bolt]

I see

[solid crag]

yes, and this implies a bootcamp grad should be willing to accept a lower lower bound, which they should

nothing i've said implies there should be a lower upper bound, or an underbound at all

[granite flax]

it's a pretty simple and acceptable opinion to say: if a person needs x/y/z skills to succeed on the job, what's the issue if they lack other skills?

if I can make an application but can't make finite state machines am i fucked (the answer is no)

[oblique bolt]

Yeah it’s almost impossible to learn everything you’d need for a job

[golden seal]

He's on a quest tho ahah

[oblique bolt]

Learning is part of the process when you start a job isn’t it

[granite flax]

i mean the controversial opinion above is about as stupid as saying a custodian needs to know how to play the piano (or a pianist needs to know how to clean a toilet)

[golden seal]

I just don't think it's fair to assume bootcamps student are worth less than swe when they're capable of doing the same job. Just because you went the university way doesn't mean you 'deserve' 3x more just based on that motive

[solid crag]

embedded, distributed systems or mathematical simulations

[solid crag]

thats not the point im trying to make. I'm saying that a 4 year degree is a much higher minimum bar, which it is. therefore they should be looking for a higher bottom line

[golden seal]

How is it theoretically a much higher bar? Because you did 2 years of philosophy, history and ethics?

[oblique bolt]

Maybe admission requirements?

I thought some boot camps also had their own admission requirements

[golden seal]

Yeah that's a viable argument but it also concerns the very top. Some bootcamps are as good as very good schools, some are not just like universities

And I'm saying bad things about going the university way being myself coming from that. I overpaid my education 100% tho

[oblique bolt]

United States university prices 😍

[solid crag]

idk what kind of gen ed requirements your school had I only had to do 6 courses. do you not consider courses like operating systems, compilers, distributed systems, or advanced 3rd/4th year math courses to be a higher level of qualification than learning some basic languages and frameworks in a bootcamp?

[oblique bolt]

I mean not everyone needs to know OS, compilers, etc.

[granite flax]

your language is colored by bias in calling languages and frameworks "basic"

[golden seal]

You have a biased view of bootcamps friend...

Exactly...

[digital carbon]

Sure, but you don't need most of that to do the average SWE job like web dev or app dev

[oblique bolt]

Yeah

I don’t need to know compiler level C code to center a div

[granite flax]

as if to say

1. you can deem certain languages/frameworks "basic" or not
2. the knowledge someone obtains in a bootcamp is "basic"
   most of us dispute both points

[solid crag]

you're not fully learning a lgnauge or framework within the time allocate, you are learning the basics of those things

[golden seal]

Big guy here doing embedded systems, won't pay engineers more than 30k if they didn't do it his way

[oblique bolt]

And you’ll learn more on the job

[granite flax]

listen there's a lot of people on this server, from cmu edgelords to waterloosers, to no namers, and none of us hold the CS curriculum in such reverence

[solid crag]

ofc. but most big companies don't just hire based on what you know now, they hire on the basis of what you know, and what foundations you have so that in 1-2 years you will be capable of much more than you are right now.

[granite flax]

we know it teaches a lot, but only a subset is useful on the job

[golden seal]

Got my point across, done with this discussion ahah have fun guys!

[oblique bolt]

Lmao

[digital carbon]

I think your concept of a "real" SWE job is just skewed. If you said bootcamp grads aren't ready to start commiting to the Linux kernel, then I'd agree. But that doesn't sound like the argument you're making, nor is it relevant to a discussion about the average SWE job.

[solid crag]

so heres what I don't consider a real SWE job: making websites for local small companies like restaurants or simple manufacturers, mobile app for placing orders at a local pizza shop, etc.

something that takes you a few hours to a couple days to fully deliver a product, that requires no theoretical knowlege, no real analysis of any kind involved. is not an engineering level job

[digital carbon]

Most SWE jobs don't require much theoretical knowledge, the average SWE job is just building CRUD apps

[solid crag]

perhaps not. but maybe if they did, they'd have people to build it quicker and have less bugs involved.

[digital carbon]

It's totally understandable if you're aiming for jobs that are outside the reach of bootcamp grads, but that doesn't mean bootcamps grads aren't capable of doing the average SWE job

[digital carbon]

That's a fair take

[granite flax]

my goal is to get a job at jane street surrounded by real swe's while i'm the impostor building CRUD apps that will be used by 3 basement dwelling devops guys

[solid crag]

my take is that is bad to make the bar for a field too low, it ends up hurting everyone involved.

[oblique bolt]

That’s a fair take, it just sounded like you were gatekeeping ngl

[granite flax]

i mean i respect your concern with wanting higher quality in our field
there's monumental fuck ups all the time and sometimes it endangers real people, but part of that is also shit companies paying shit salaries so you have codemonkeys whose companies don't enforce any good practices and are on time crunches while getting paid low amount
(blame the companies/standards; if you have good management even the most mediocre joe can put out good shit)

[digital carbon]

I actually agree with this but at this point it's only tangentially related to the original claim you made

[restive kernel]

I don't know how many of you all are bootcamp grads, so I hope I'm not offending anyone, but honestly many of the bootcamp educated engineers I know have pretty trash software engineering skills, but they are good at leetcoding

[solid crag]

thats poor wording on my part. I'm generally against the idea of having a massive range of skill qualification for a single title. it just ends up being confusing and no one ends up knowing what your qualifications and experience is worth

[restive kernel]

the whole software engineering interviewing methodology is kind of fvcked up, and does not tell much about one's ability to actually engineer stuff

[wet rover]

u do realize the typical bootcamp grad has a degree and non relevant work experience?

[granite flax]

yeah that does suck lol i hate when fullstack positions be like,
you have to know: js/express/node/react/vue/docker/git/github/bitbucket/ocaml/sql/mongodb/cockroachdb/

[wet rover]

its not like a guy out of hs went in a bootcamp and started making bank

[solid crag]

if they have a related degree and simply lacks some coding experience, would they really be getting a job on the basis of the bootcamp credentials?

I'd wager not

[wet rover]

yes and no

bootcamp teaches them web dev skills and the top ones have networking events

[digital carbon]

@solid crag Most of us are just suggesting that you recalibrate your understanding of what an average SWE job entails and whether bootcamp grads are capable of doing it. It's perfectly fine if you have loftier goals, just know that the gatekeeping attitude won't help you in the long run.

[wet rover]

and the degree does help

and the only classes you need to get a normal swe job are cs 101 and dsa lol

gotta reverse that linked list to center divs

[last linden]

wow i really wish i cared enough about CS to engage in this discussion

[digital carbon]

ulzzang

[wet rover]

i dont have a bootcamp background but i have a self taught background technically lol

[oblique bolt]

I don’t think I’ve actually met anyone with a boot camp background in here

Most people I’ve seen are taking some CS or CS related major

Or doing some masters in CS program

[wet rover]

there are a couple of self taughts here but they usually just lurk and dont speak

[solid crag]

self taught is respectable. if someone can genuinely self teach to a the same or higher standard than what someone who took a degree, imo thats proof of higher apptitude

[real walrus]

I know 2 coworkers who were at bootcamps (Figma,Plaid) , both excellent engineers

[quick lodge]

Tfw you’re a new grad but Amazon recruiter reaches out to you for an SDE3 position lmao

[gritty tiger]

Is there an open source version of Grokking the System Design Interview?

[ocean venture]

Happened to me with AWS but SDE1 and they wouldn't even consider me since I wasn't 6 months from grad omegalul

[ocean venture]

U can find it on LibGen

Technically open source heheheh

[gritty tiger]

yeah. it's available on libgen. Thanks a lot.

[ocean venture]

No problem :)

[solid crag]

if I read through all the math books I downloaded from libgen i'd be a math library by now

[solid crag]

what is rivian?

[heady kindle]

Tesla competitor

The only con I see is tesla came up with cybertruck so idk how rivian will do. I am not sure about the exact details but just my 2c

[solid crag]

i feel like cybertruck is designed to fit pop up rocket launchers or sme shit and not a street legal civilian automobile

[heady kindle]

I find the normal teslas ugly too lol

[solid crag]

teslas are pretty cheapish on the interior

[radiant snow]

if its a ML/CV role it'll be a great opportunity i believe. they are coming out with a new car soon

[solid crag]

when i did my nvidia interview i didnt code in a year lol

wasnt pretty 😦

Live n learn

[fiery otter]

@worthy spear

Ru applying for software engineer roles

Na but I'm saying in general

What type of roles u apply to?

[broken meteor]

Hey guys, just got shortlisted for JS

Does anyone have info on the process for first round and tips on how to prepare for it? Interview is next week

[worthy spear]

Jane street?

[broken meteor]

Yep

[worthy spear]

@broken meteor Oh ya first round was just a 1 hour technical. I don’t think I did all that great but did make it to on-site so I don’t think it’s usually the blocker

[torn ferry]

self taught with unrelated degree if that counts. i just don't come in here much

[torn ferry]

i know a few bootcamp people at work if that counts

[oblique bolt]

Dope

[frozen eagle]

Any last minute tips for a final interview I'm stressin rn

[oblique bolt]

You got this dude

[frozen eagle]

Ty ty

[fiery otter]

@frozen eagle

[frozen eagle]

What's up

[fiery otter]

Whatever the result, remember that you still are important to everyone in this world

My bad I was in the middle of sending my message and I got a call from my boss

[frozen eagle]

Thank you 😭 i appreciate it also no worries lol

[knotty basin]

its the same as any leetcode challenge or other OA p much

okay well it’s just a leetcode OA with a time limit

[frozen eagle]

Yes can confirm you can use custom test cases

[frozen eagle]

You can as long as it's the official docs

[frozen eagle]

Yeah no stack overflow

Like this https://docs.python.org/3/

[granite flax]

you just have to make it very clear when u consult help since they track activity so like on google u can type

python traverse string backwards how no cheating i swear pls don't flag

[neat sparrow]

I've heard mixed things about this, but is it good to include a link to your github on your resume?

[ocean venture]

sure, especially if u have impressive projects on there/projects that may be relevant to preferred qualifications

[frozen eagle]

It seemed like I started getting more OA's once i started including links to projects

[sleek magnet]

Hey guys, Did anyone get Amazon SDE NewGrad! Final phone interview?

[frozen eagle]

The 30 min one?

[fair obsidian]

I have received an email asking availability for the job ID:1603721(New Grad!) but looks like the recruiter has ghosted me now

[worthy spear]

Definitely

[sleek magnet]

I guess so, but I have been told its 45 minute round. Was wondering if both are the same?

[sleek magnet]

Same here

[frozen eagle]

Hmmm not sure I've heard they're really similar but it might include 1 coding question since it's longer?

Just speculation though

[sleek magnet]

Did you give it recently? If yes, may I know what were asked in those 30 mins?

[frozen eagle]

I have it in 30 mins lol but it's usually just OA2 review

[sleek magnet]

Ohh! All the best

[hoary gull]

Has anyone given an OA for Akuna Capital ?

[solid crag]

me

i didnt do it yet tho

[fair obsidian]

Anyone here who has interviewed for Amazon SDE- New Grad!(Job ID: 1603721) please share your experience

[elder maple]

I would just use a seperate machine if u want to be extra safe to look up documentation.

Prob no need tho

But it eliminates that fear lmao

[floral sky]

Hey guys, did anyone recently give their coderpad round for Goldman Sachs early careers? In how many days did you receive an invitation for the final round?

[barren palm]

Has anyone given a 1 hour interview for AWS SDE?

[proven fox]

I gave the coderpad and got ghosted after that

Interviewer said recruiter will get back to you in a week

[floral sky]

Damn, the person who was taking care of my process said he got a good feedback, but nothing after that

Did you try emailing them ?

[proven fox]

When did you give the coderpad?

I emailed the recruiter twice, but got no response, 3rd attempt today hopefully she tells something

Portal says "Interview" since the coderpad round

[floral sky]

Okay

I gave mine on 1st July

[subtle helm]

Anyone here interview with Zoom for new grad?

And can provide insight on LC level?

[knotty basin]

@ocean venture

[subtle helm]

@ocean venture how was your Zoom technical screen?

[knotty basin]

if i had a guess it will be LC medium

[subtle helm]

That's what I was guessing too haha. Thank u

[ocean venture]

Very easy

Two LC easys

I think it def depends on your interviewer tho

My second interviewer was an asshat front end developer who joined like 2 months prior and was on his phone my entire interview lol

[golden seal]

Any of you take the Amazon OA-1 last year or recently and knows what we should expect?

[ocean venture]

just basic debugging questions

i had 7

[subtle helm]

Ah I see lol. Thank you for sharing this! do you know what the onsite might be like?

[ocean venture]

my onsite was 1hr30mins, 45 mins with each interviewer

first one was behavioral mixed with lc easies

second was just lc and more of an actual lc scenario

[late slate]

I'm a new grad and just joined this server, anything I should do?

[fiery otter]

Get ready for heartbreak

[dim scarab]

no

[subtle helm]

Interesting, this is the format of my upcoming interview.

[subtle helm]

Thanks for sharing man

[ocean venture]

No problem :)

Should be relatively easy

[subtle helm]

Thanks :), and yeah hopefully! Haha

[pastel skiff]

yeee could be both, I've gotten those 90 minutes with 1 question with 10 subproblems

and also just one question

[zinc dawn]

Does video still work in karat interview after starting coding on their platform?

[pastel skiff]

would it change anything though? you're going to have to do it anyways. just prepare for the worst

[sturdy raft]

Hi all, is there any reliable app to calculate taxes on the salary?

[frosty forum]

I think this is the most reliable https://smartasset.com/taxes/income-taxes

[sturdy raft]

Thanks!!

[tame sequoia]

has anyone given google new grad onsite?

[pastel skiff]

go into the 2021 process channel

[tame sequoia]

thanks

[pastel skiff]

yup msg ppl who put process Google final

[solid crag]

anyone did hackerank for goldman sachs before?

[dreamy crest]

Yes

[noble crag]

Has anyone done the CodePair screen with Akuna capital? What was it like?

[granite jetty]

How many max days will it take for amazon to give the results of a new grad 30 min interview?!

[radiant snow]

mostly the same day

[frozen eagle]

Did mine 36 hours ago haven't heard anything

[granite jetty]

I did mine on 7/7, not sure if it is a reject or should we have hope!

[frozen eagle]

Yeah that's when I did mine too. What time was yours at? The email says that they will get back within 5 business days so just hold out a little

[solid crag]

what kind of questions do they ask?

I got a hackerank from them last night

[grand tangle]

Has anyone given OA recently for SDE-New Grads! position ?

[hoary gull]

It is usally a lc eassy and lc medium/hard

[solid crag]

ahh, shouldnt be too bad

only 2 questions?

[hoary gull]

Yeah the first one should be eassy, but the second one would be hard.

For me the first one only took few mins but the second one took all of my time

[solid crag]

ahh

i gotta grind a bit of DP questions before I do mine. then gotta do akuna one sometime before 20th

[dreamy crest]

I got a Lc Easy and medium

I finished the OA in 15-25 min and had like 2h to do

100%

[solid crag]

o damn

[solid crag]

did you get an offer?

[dreamy crest]

No still waiting to hear back after taking the OA

[solid crag]

ahh

did you also do the math challenge?

im on the fence about going for swe or quant modelling

[dreamy crest]

no I only did the programming

i could not be bothered to do the math

[solid crag]

ah

[neat sparrow]

I've been seeing a couple of job postings around that are for software engineering apprenticeships. Are they worth it?

[bleak fern]

Anyone got Roblox ?

[bold whale]

anyone had an interview from Scale AI?

[worthy spear]

Yes

[hoary gull]

Has anyone heard of a company called enhance it ?

[solid crag]

not me

what do they do

[hoary gull]

They are consulting firm

[tame latch]

Gs can be pretty slow with their process

Also what happens is you interview for different locations

And the good locations you might not be able to get an interview

Ex: nyc

[ocean venture]

For real

They replied to me 4 months after i said i had to reschedule my interview

Needless to say i just didn't schedule it again

[proven fox]

Bruh I emailed recruiter 3 times for update after coderpad

And then they sent me rejection for a diff position which was already rejected on portal

[tame latch]

Gs is fine for ib

And they probably carry over that mentality for swe

Except it’s not really top tier swe

[solid crag]

whats their TC like fo new grads?

[tame latch]

Relatively lower

[solid crag]

like 130-140k? or even lower?

[tame latch]

last year was <= 140 i think

bc ib is making arround that

also location

if you get sent to like bad location

it's like 70-80k

[solid crag]

holy fuck 70-80k? thats garbage

[tame latch]

for like dallas or salt lake

[solid crag]

how do they attract people at 70-80k?

[tame latch]

uh, it's good for some people

but not for top tier talent

• some people think gs is good on resume

bc finance

[solid crag]

but they gotta compete with hedge funds and fang for talent, no?

or just accept the refuse?

[tame latch]

edit dallas might be 100k

80-100

looking at levels

[solid crag]

100k in dallas isnt bad

[tame latch]

well see, they lose talent

lol

is the answer

like swe at goldman is backoffice

and you aren't driving revenue

the issue is progression

like 100k in dallas to start off

but lower progression

[solid crag]

if I were to goldman i'd try to move into quant modeling after a couple years

[tame latch]

they have quant strats

where you do it directly

put pay isn't competitive

like 75k base

[solid crag]

oh

[tame latch]

75k bonus

[solid crag]

wtf

[tame latch]

i think?

[solid crag]

i mean 150 all in for a first year isnt bad

[tame latch]

the issue is it's non competitive for the industry

[solid crag]

but does that need phd? or just bachelors

[tame latch]

you also don't make money

because it's sell side

[solid crag]

ah fuck

[tame latch]

uh, you can get interviews with bacher's

[solid crag]

sell side quants are lame

[tame latch]

like sell side doesn't make much money lol

because regulations

[ocean venture]

Tbh i dipped out of gs because of their wlb ratings from ppl

[tame latch]

probably why pay is lower

yeah

oh true

[ocean venture]

It was awful

[tame latch]

goldman has bad hours lol

and bad tech

[solid crag]

what about morgan stanley

[ocean venture]

Yeah i literally can't work more than 40hrs otherwise I'd be neglecting my child

(my dog)

[tame latch]

uh, not as sure for morgan stanley

i think best bank is cap one

then jpm

personal opinion

don't know enough about ms to comment

*for swe

[solid crag]

i dont mind hours being a bit longer as long as it's not IB hours

[tame latch]

uh

probably 60

off the top of my head

[solid crag]

for a swe?

wtf

[tame latch]

• you should probably check other sources

i mean ib hours are like 80

for analyst

so like not ib hours

[solid crag]

IB is mindless work

[tame latch]

at lower level yes

but like cap one hours i think are like

<= 35

and their new grad offer is like 110

dmv

[solid crag]

60 is a bit much for me

50 is ok

@ 12 hours a day, im gonna be straight up doing more bad than good

gonna see how OA with akuna goes, quite interested in working there

[restive kernel]

Honestly if the comp is good enough most ppl would be willing to put in high hours, its just that people define good enough differently

[tame latch]

Disagree

Money matters less and less the more you have

[hoary gull]

Has anyone else had problem where they never received twitter oa for new grad position ?

[ocean venture]

false

i will never put more than 40 hours a week in

i don't fucking care who i'm working for

i work for a living, not live for my work

some people have hobbies outside of computer science and working constantly

stop this bullshit normalization of working over 40 hrs a week like it's healthy or should be encouraged

[pastel skiff]

true man, I don't wake up everyday dreaming of working haha, 40-45 hours max for me. Like if you like coding so much, just create a startup on the side or freelance, that's a better use of time unless you're getting paid OT for working, which in the most case you're not.

[pastel skiff]

got phone screen right away some people do get it, if you didn't you probably didn't pass the resume screen

[ocean venture]

i agree, i love coding but i will not be a slave to any company. 40 hrs a week is more than enough

and u def arent getting ot

[worthy spear]

Most people just work the high hours, otherwise there will easily be another person who will replace them at the company, like in AWS

[pastel skiff]

yeah screw that but if you're oncall all the time, that's such an L. Sometimes you have All hands on deck which is also an L

[pastel skiff]

having an all hands from friday till sunday non stop is such an L

[ocean venture]

exactly why i did not finish the process at AWS

[worthy spear]

Like despite Amazon's reputation, there are still a lot of people who want to work there

[ocean venture]

bc ppl are desperate

then they work there for a year

and realize how awful that is

[worthy spear]

true, then either pip'd or miserable life

[pastel skiff]

is it really worth having mental issues? I mean if Covid taught us something it is we have limited time, better make the most of it instead of slaving away at a company which will fire you in an instant.

[ocean venture]

exactly

i'm not working my ass off for a company just to get pip'd

if i want to work crazy hours i'd start my own company

[pastel skiff]

lol yeah also ageism too, if you're above a certain age, even if you're a top performer, they'll still fire you

such an L

[ocean venture]

yeeup, not sure why ppl think that's ok lol

if u want to work crazy hours go you

i have a life that i'd like to live

[slow breach]

best places are the ones that have managers that realize that some people wanna put in more hours and gives them the scope to do so

[pastel skiff]

yeah that's why I like WFH, in office is such an L most ppl just end up staying there from 8 -6/7

[worthy spear]

yea, not much point making that much, in a great city sure, like Seattle, but you will not be able to live life. Like for me, I don't make as much as sde1 amazon, but I'm remote in Seattle for the work I'm doing, not stressful, still making good money, and I enjoy and have fun here.

[ocean venture]

yep there's a reason these huge ass tech companies spend millions on trying to make the office appealing

they want you to stay

[knotty basin]

okay do you mind if i dm you i'm also moving remote to seattle

[pastel skiff]

yeah screw that, WFH is great, but my company is making me go back to office 😦

major rips

[worthy spear]

sure

[ocean venture]

yeah my plan is to be remote in seattle

im an hour north rn

[hoary gull]

@pastel skiff was the
Phone screen before the code challenge?

[pastel skiff]

I didn't have the code challenge. I just had phone and then final

[tame latch]

Amazon not worth

Like worth as internship not as full time for resume purposes

[hoary gull]

For swe new grad ?

This is the email I got

[pastel skiff]

Yeah new grad I also did early career too

I did the code challenge for early careers

Check spam it’s a hacker rank

[hoary gull]

Yeah I got nothing

[tame latch]

Twitter oa doesn’t matter as much?

[civic rivet]

My position is fully remote but they want me to move out to the state it’s hq is in. Any way around this? Just lie?

[tame latch]

why is that

[wet rover]

[restive kernel]

For tax reasons obviously

[granite flax]

But what if i do wanna work with overworked tryhards so they can carry my ass while i chill and yet somehow make a better impression to get a promotion

[tame latch]

Become a manager

[ocean venture]

That's my plan

Lmfao

[digital carbon]

I don't get how people make such unsubstantiated claims

[digital carbon]

It's usually for tax reasons

[pastel skiff]

yeah dude was like 50 got fired because of it

and was doing well too

[digital carbon]

But how do you know it was because they were 50, and not just because they were coasting

[fallen burrow]

hey fellas. i have a confusion and i hope u guys can help me out here. i got a FT in a startup that offers 114k base and no bonus/stocks. I see my friends are getting placed at amazon as SDEs with same base but with huge signing bonus (around 20k) and stocks too. the ctc is around 150. should i feel bad? i got a data scientist role. and i hear only +ve reviews about my company(like friendly people, has high learning curve etc. ). but i feel im being paid less and that worries me a bit.

[digital carbon]

Uh you're not being paid less

Startups just can't afford as much

[pastel skiff]

I get what you mean, idk he was a top performer in the team

constantly praised in team

[digital carbon]

Hmm I see

[pastel skiff]

just part of tech bro

haha

[digital carbon]

Well that's unfortunate

But I'm still skeptical of the actual reason

Not denying that it could've been a factor

[pastel skiff]

my dad has worked in the industry for a while, and ageism is definitely a thing

so not too surprised

[digital carbon]

I'd say a problem is that as you get older, you get less interested in keeping up with shiny tech

[pastel skiff]

yeah u got a good deal, counter offer if u can then

[digital carbon]

So maybe some companies see that as stagnating

[fallen burrow]

thanks for replying. so what is the diff btwn working in a big tech like amazon and working in a startup? if startups pay less then its kinds disadvantage to work for them right?

[fallen burrow]

hey sorry i didnt understand. counter offer who? i have only 1 offer rn.

[digital carbon]

Mm not really a disadvantage. If anything, at a startup you have much more direct impact. But startups are obviously less established than big tech companies, so job stability might be more of a concern.

[pastel skiff]

if u feel like the offer is low, just get another offer to counter offer, you don't really have that much negotiation power if u don't have one

[pastel skiff]

I get u but I'm pretty sure it's a reason

[digital carbon]

I guess it also has to do with company culture. Like the company I'm at has a much higher average tenure than that of tech in general, and also has a lot of lifers. And it's their managers' job to make sure they don't stagnate.

Anyways, I guess I'll believe the ageism thing when I see it firsthand some day lol

[solid crag]

agiesm is a thing in any field, I dont think its out of the ordinary for tech

[digital carbon]

Like I just have a hard time believing that companies will arbitrarily fire their most valuable engineers

There has to be an actual reason

[restive kernel]

Well most startups give you stock as well. Most of them eventually become papers but if one's lucky then an IPO make you multi millionaire in an instant.

[solid crag]

to me the most believable is older people won't fit into the younger clique, and when the average age group of workers and managers is in the 30s. someone in their 50s is likely to be out of that social circle and therefore discarded when a cut needs to be made

in general I think 50+ workers in any kind of intellectual property based field whos still in an individual contributor role instead of management and at the same time not a industry leading expert is likely to be vulnerable to cuts

[digital carbon]

Yea this makes sense to me, culture could be a factor in this, especially considering how young many tech companies are

[restive kernel]

One would need to get into management track or less toxic companies before that

for example google have plenty of older ic engineers

[ocean venture]

I'ma be retired by 50 lo

I'm also planning going into management

[tall lantern]

Has anyone interviewed with credit karma?

[tame latch]

interview

final round

ggez

[junior flare]

Would you guys say 70k is a bad salary to start off with? Remote position startup? New grad 2021 lmao

[ocean venture]

Remote? Eh it's not bad, it's low but if you're in a LCOL it's decent

[tame latch]

Uh what’s the progression

Is the question

Also bad depends on like what your qualifications are

/ expectations

[junior flare]

They just mentioned it haven’t gotten the offer yet, will ask here when I get all the details. Thanks !

[graceful hazel]

I got rejection from Amazon in January. Its been 6 months can I apply for Amazon new grad again now?

Or do I need to wait more?

I see new grad roles are till September

[flint barn]

I'd suggest apply for the 2022 cycle

[wanton hound]

Yes do it, I did the same

[supple panther]

I got a 3 hours interview for Amazon new grad role any kinda input and insights would really be helpful

[solid crag]

3 hours?? damn

[supple panther]

Yup

So any idea about it?

I did find one link in leetcode

https://leetcode.com/discuss/interview-experience/750227/how-to-get-amazon-new-grad-offer-north-america

[fiery otter]

@supple panther

U mean 3x45

[supple panther]

Yup

[fiery otter]

It's just gonna be LP and leetcode

[supple panther]

Okay

[fiery otter]

More focus on LP

Honestly

[supple panther]

Okay

[carmine sierra]

Has anyone ever gotten the 45 min final for amazon without a perfect score ://

[bleak fern]

What does LP stand for ?

[twilit badge]

leadership principles

[bleak fern]

Ooo

[bleak fern]

Is that an Amazon specific thing ?

[twilit badge]

it's basically behaviorial

where the answers you give are the answers amazon wants

iirc

[bleak fern]

Ah makes sense thanks

[low sphinx]

People who are facing one final round of 45 minutes from Amazon. Does it include OA2 review at all?

[pastel skiff]

had 3 leetcode medium difficulty problems, a lot of LP

[golden seal]

Ugh so stressed about taking Amazon's OA2 😅

I barely do well on mediums

[bleak fern]

Did you finish your first OA yet ?

[golden seal]

Just took it today because I was giving myself all 5 days to prep OA2. Did 6/7

Now waiting for OA2 email, hope it's another 5-day period

[bleak fern]

Nice

[fiery otter]

If y'all get asked this as a question

Make an autocomplete function using

Js html and css

Ur first reaction

My first time dealing with an actual dev question

[golden seal]

Omg finally something to use my search engine project knowledge ahah!

I would have some kind of Json file(or maps) with all the different words you would account for autocomplete

And every time a character is entered I would do a partial search in your Json file. Using something equivalent to Java's startsWith function

[restive kernel]

autocomplete -> trie

[fiery otter]

Lmaooo

I wish I had that reaction lmfaooo

But I literally searched up the entire answer google cuz she literally said we can use the internet

But I prob used too much

[golden seal]

Yeah tree is best because it reduces the size of your search for every character, @restive kernel 's right.

[charred oyster]

google loves tries just sayin

[fair obsidian]

Can anyone please share your 45 minute Amazon (New Grad)interview experience? Can we expect LC medium in the interview? TIA

[frozen eagle]

Is an EAD card equivalent to a green card?

[restive kernel]

There are different kinds of EADs

but none of them is equivalent to a green card obviously

The closest you can get to an green card is the combo card you get after you file 485, but if you have that it means you have a green card coming anyway

[frozen eagle]

Aight nice, i have a green card so should be good. Thank you!

[restive kernel]

Then you basically don't need to worry about work authorization at all.

except for those positions that require citizenship

[hollow wedge]

Anyone who has taken up an interview at Google for Software Engineering University Graduate 2021?

[ocean venture]

Look in 2022 postings someone posted the process, it's 5 rounds with 4 tech 1 behavioral then hiring committee then team matching

[hollow wedge]

Thanks 👍

[hollow wedge]

Unable to find it! 😐😐

[woven quartz]

#2021_grad_process message

[atomic shore]

I got the one 45 minute final with like maybe 5/7 on OA1 and missed one test case each on OA2? So yeah it is possible, I really did not have enough time to finish OA1

[feral marten]

You can only use this command in #2021_grad_process or #2021_intern_process

[wise sluice]

Hey! I was just wondering if anybody previously interned at Shopify and is now working there as a newgrad?

[severe jay]

I have 4 internships + started a new grad job

do you think it’s fine to remove projects from my resume at this point ?

they’re not that impressive to begin with but used a different tech stack (iOS) than my internships, however i’m not nearly as good in that stack to be trying for jobs requiring it

[frigid crescent]

Maybe keep one that you’re most passionate about to discuss during interviews?

Also shows that ur passionate about something dev related outside of work

[flint barn]

When can I expect to hear back after Google OA?

[severe jay]

good point, I had to remove it to fit my locations but i’ll see if I can squeeze it back in

[solid spruce]

I personally heard back within 2 weeks

[feral marten]

You can only use this command in #2021_grad_process or #2021_intern_process

[digital carbon]

Do you want to do iOS dev eventually?

If not, I'd get rid of the project section at that point

Or like leave in one or two that you're personally proud of

Like @frigid crescent said, shows you're interested in tech outside of work

[knotty basin]

so you’re 100% right but i hate that you’re right

like do we expect accounting people to do accounting competitions outside of work

[digital carbon]

oh yea I don't do side project anymore after starting full time lol

ain't nobody got time for that

[knotty basin]

yeah seriously lol

what a scam

[digital carbon]

But I'll leave on one project that I'm proud of because it had a couple thousand users and I learned a lot from it

[knotty basin]

yeah that’s fair

[digital carbon]

Tech moves so fast it's kinda dizzying

People meme about frontend moving fast but the backend landscape is always changing too

I just keep up with tech on company time lol

[wanton hound]

Was 3 days for me

[flint barn]

What did they ask in phone screen?

[wanton hound]

Just a prep call, behavioral nothing fancy

[flint barn]

Oh cool

How long are the on-sites?

[wanton hound]

5 rounds

[tulip dagger]

I thought I got kicked out of the group. It was just the group got a logo update

Lol

[tall lantern]

Any tips on Amazon OA prep?

[oblique bolt]

Which one are you on?

[tall lantern]

Have not started any. Just received it

[oblique bolt]

Ah ok

Amazon has 3 OAs

The first one you get is a simple debugging assignment

[tall lantern]

Yeah, I read through the long doc they sent. Not to worried about debugging, wondering how to prep for the algo

Is LC Amazon list worthy?

[oblique bolt]

Yeah I think it's a good resource

[tall lantern]

Okay cool, ty!

[oblique bolt]

No problem and good luck!

[golden seal]

Praying to get TwoSum and the island problem

[oblique bolt]

[tall lantern]

[buoyant ruin]

Anyone got any good review routines you try to follow in the last 24 hours leading up to an interview?

[pastel skiff]

relax

[buoyant ruin]

Been doing my first run through of darksouls in my free time but thats almost less relaxing than grinding lc

[golden seal]

I only have two rules, relax a lot and don't start with a cold brain. It's very difficult for the brain to go from 0 to 100 in a second and the time limit on OAs will mess you up because your brain will need like 10-15 minutes to get to full speed

When you used to travel to interview sites you had some time to prepare your brain, get it active, that kind of stuff. But I noticed that when I take an OA or have to talk about myself or code or projects it's very difficult to go from relaxing on Youtube to joining a Zoom the second after. Always messed me up

[frigid crescent]

This is a great point tbh

I speedrun LC easies hards to get warmed up

[golden seal]

Happened once for me to do something about it. Something that was on paper SUPER easy I took like 10 minutes to start to comprehend. And that was because I went from 'relaxing' on Twitch for 2 hours to my OA in an instant. Always made sure I was 'in situation' when clicking links after that

[vocal jolt]

I failed sales force final cuz I woke up from a nap like 2 min before

It was devastating I couldn’t inverse bst lol

[solid crag]

😦

[fiery otter]

Anyone ever talk so fast

They mouth start getting dry

Cuz they mad nervous

[oblique bolt]

Yeah I talk a lot faster when I'm nervous

Makes presentations so much worse lol

I'll have like 15 mins allocated and be done in half that time

[inland stone]

how many questions/time any idea?

[oblique bolt]

I think it's 7 questions in 21 minutes

Might be wrong but it's something like that

The questions are pretty short and have short answers too

[worthy spear]

i think you're right

[oblique bolt]

I'm just remembering the numbers from when I took the OA for intern last year

Afaik it's all the same for intern and new grad in the OA stages

[ocean venture]

what prep have u done?

[obtuse sundial]

Hmm not much, just recently got into doing leetcode, built a couple website in the past months on react

[ocean venture]

i would recommend looking up grokking the coding interview and starting there

then blind 75

then company questions

in terms of technical prep

[obtuse sundial]

ok great recommendations i just downloaded cracking the code this evening

appreciate it 🙂

is there anywhere i can find good info on resumes and stuff

sweet ill drop it there soon 🙂

[hoary gull]

has anyone interviewed with Kaizen Health ?

I have a phone screen with them tomorrow and could use some advice on how to prepare

[granite jetty]

Is it possible to prepone amazon's start date after accepting offer?

[arctic iris]

That sounds like a question for your recruiter

[scarlet palm]

Anyone who has given AWS onsite recently?

Could you please DM, I have a few questions about behavioral

[broken meteor]

I think ctci isnt the best

Outdated

But thats just my opinion

If i have foundations in DS&A just skip to grokking and blind 75

Otherwise, ctci would be a good start

[solid crag]

blind75 isn't bad

i did most of it already

[dreamy crest]

I applied to the new FT Microsoft role, and my action center already says my application has been transferred

Anyone else the same?

[worldly patio]

Me, it went from transferred to submitted & now under review

Is the New Microsoft new grad position for 2022?

[dreamy crest]

I applied for the FT Opportunies for Uni Graduates

I got referred to it and applied internally

Mine doesn't say under review though let me double check

[worldly patio]

Same role

[dreamy crest]

What did yours get transferred to? Mine says FT SWE Mid Atlantic Schools FY22 TAR

Looks like they're just filtering applications based on geographical location lol

[worldly patio]

FT SWE Southern USA Schools FY22 TAR

the “FY22” makes me 🤔

[dreamy crest]

They're considering 2021 grads and future grads too

I'm looking to start in 2022 anyway lowkey, like January

[worldly patio]

I’ve graduated this May 2021. Looking to start immediately!

[ocean venture]

Hmm maybe i should apply early then

[feral marten]

You can only use this command in #2021_grad_process or #2021_intern_process

[frigid crescent]

duh

[dreamy crest]

Is anyone else's Microsoft application missing from the action center?

It's straight up not there anymore

[wind pendant]

@dreamy crest wait for a day or so, it'll show up after

[dreamy crest]

just kinda worried cuz it was there now it isnt

[wind pendant]

@dreamy crest did you check your archived jobs?

[hoary gull]

hey guys so a recurter just email me aksting for times we can chat. But the problem is that she got my name wrong. Its not even close to my name. Now I am confused that she got my name wrong or she ment to email someone else and emailed me by mistake

what should i do

[granite flax]

If u dont wanna work there ignore

But if ur down bad u respond and acknowledge

The possible mistake

[hoary gull]

how should I respond to her as I do want to work there

[frigid crescent]

like its a completely different name?

that's pretty strange

[timber pike]

Time to go undercover

[frigid crescent]

honestly just go with it

respond but make sure you sign off with your correct name

actually wait no that's stupid

theyre gonna be like who tf gets addressed completely incorrectly and doesnt say anything

bring it up

[clear zenith]

gearbox studios literally only wrote this on their software dev posting lmfao

[neat sparrow]

I'm not seeing many job listings for Mobile App Developers. Am I just searching wrong, or is that not worth learning?

[oblique bolt]

What words are you searching for? Most companies usually list mobile dev roles under SWE and just put the word Android or iOS at the end

[restive kernel]

just search swe and sde and scan through the listings to be sure you did not miss postings

[placid badge]

Any group got amazon new grads 2021 discuo

Discussion*

[worthy spear]

Had Amazon interview (AWS). Integer to roman. I tell my approach (which is correct). Interviewer asks me how to write 99 in roman? I say XCIX (which is correct). Interviewer says 99=IC (which is wrong). I get rejection email next day. FML.

[frigid crescent]

The customer interviewer is always right

[timber pike]

RNG city lmfao

[worthy spear]

I have solved ~900 questions on Leetcode. If I'm gonna be rejected over a stupid Integer to Roman question despite solving it correctly, I don't know what to do. Screw Amazon I guess.

[frigid crescent]

If you have 900 under your belt, you’ll do much better than Amazon my guy. Keep goin

[solid crag]

holy fuck 900 questions

i've done like 90

[worthy spear]

That's okay. It's absolutely not necessary to solve these many questions. Solving around 200 high quality questions is good enough. I started LC in March 2020, and by now it has become a habit.

[solid crag]

i started in may

2021 that is

[bleak fern]

I started in July

2021 that is

[solid crag]

how many have you done so far?

[bleak fern]

43

I paused for a bit to start doing algo expert

And then memeorize all the patterns

Then I will get back to leetcode

Hbu ?

[quaint falcon]

is blind 75 enough ?

[bleak fern]

No

It's a good starting point after grokking

But imo it's not enough

[quaint falcon]

Any list which can be followed that will cover almost all the patterns

[frigid crescent]

theres a comprehensive list somwhere

it has like 1933 problems on it

one sec

[solid crag]

98 acccording to leetcode since may this year