2021_grads

[knotty basin]

some people want more money but some people wanna travel or live abroad idk trade offs

if you don’t have another offer could always accept

Then work for a bit while you keep looking

cuz money is money and new grad season is coming up

so you could reinterview and just not put it on your resume in fall

[digital carbon]

So is it flexible or is it 4 weeks PTO? Or do people take 4 weeks on average? Because that's kind standard afaik.

Btw flexible PTO is pretty much always a gimmick and sometimes people even end up taking less vacation time since it's not exactly "mandatory" (as in you have no vacation days to lose if you don't use them).

Also I'd be extremely wary of a company saying they'll give a raise a few months after you join. Anything that you don't have in writing in your offer letter should be ignored.

Gotcha. Yea it's possible they could give you a promotion/raise that soon, though I'd stay on the safer side and assume the guaranteed compensation (like salary) is all you have when you're doing any serious financial planning.

If you have a chance to talk to some engineers at the company, it would be nice to ask how much vacation they took last year or smth

Will give you an idea of exactly how flexible the PTO is lol

Usually I've asked the recruiter to set me on a couple calls with some engineers so that I can learn more about the company before settling on a decision

And they're usually more than happy to set it up

Though if you have friends/connections at the company, they'd probably give you a more honest/unfiltered view of things

[stark forge]

200+ leetcode means nothing if you don’t understand the concepts.. just keep applying and keep leetcoding and make sure you understand what’s going on. You’ll get an offer

[junior flare]

200+ problems, and im out here having done like 4 hahaheheheecrycry

[ocean venture]

Go do grokking if u haven't

Don't do 200 problems before grokking lol

[timber steeple]

What’s the application window for someone graduating December 21, looking for full time roles ?

[hybrid folio]

still hasn't hit yet @timber steeple

postings start coming up around august

[uncut zenith]

do you guys know when unicorn companies new grad positions (databricks, stripe, coinbase) will reopen?

right now they're all closed

?

[clear zenith]

anyone got any tips for the debugging part of the amazon OA?

[restive kernel]

Its easy AF, no need to worry about it

[clear zenith]

ngl I panicked when I got stuck and only managed to 3 or 4 questions

its such a time crunch, v disappointed with myself

[restive kernel]

Well, no need to feel bad with yourself for amazon I guess.

[clear zenith]

I think all of the ones I solved was when there was only 2 mins left

no time to think, just go

[kind marten]

I think OA1 is not that important. Pretty sure OA3 and OA2 are weighted more so don't give up just yet.

[restive kernel]

I got all of them in oa1 and both questions in oa2 with optimal solution and still got straight rejected, if that makes you feel better

[kind marten]

I know some guys who didn't get full credit in OA1 and got interview

[clear zenith]

damn bro

[restive kernel]

there whole process is a blackbox

[clear zenith]

just gonna listen to some sad music rn, still bummed out from prev. interviews where I was SO close to getting it

[kind marten]

It's a grind man. But you'll get an offer eventually. Keep it up man

[junior flare]

if it makes you feel better im listening to sad music too

& had little to no interviews bc companies wanna keep me depressed

at the end of the day we're all gonna get jobs homie

[clear zenith]

damn bro wishing you luck man

I do get interviews (in canada rn) but doesnt matter if no job

[junior flare]

it does matter bro

[clear zenith]

its a numbers game at this point

[junior flare]

be proud of yourself

you went through it and got the experience out of it

[subtle helm]

Man I feel like I'm finding no more applications

Jeez, honestly I think around 1000-2000, although I have an offer I am happy with, but it's in automation haha

Yeah the drought is hitting hard

Where do you usually look for job openings?

[spiral glade]

Does anyone know how much Disney pays?

Disney+Hotstar

[drifting raven]

https://www.levels.fyi/company/Disney/salaries/

[drifting raven]

but disney + hotstar would make it disney india. i think you will not get figures for that.

most of these companies in India just work by outsourcing the software work to consultancy firms and rarely have their own SW departments

[spiral glade]

What
Disney + Hotstar hires SWE

[drifting raven]

in that case only glassdoor can give you some info https://www.glassdoor.co.in/Salary/Hotstar-Salaries-E1465942.htm

[stone monolith]

I see a lot of roles in the DC area open

For big tech

[severe jay]

lol at roblox asking me to help calibrate their online assessment after rescinding my offer

[mystic mica]

i've used refsy before, got roblox and vmware referrals

then vmware ghosted me after a perfect OA 🤡

so did roblox actually

[digital carbon]

Wait they rescinded?

[severe jay]

ya got verbal in nov and then ghosted for 2 months and then told they’re no longer continuing with my candidacy lmao

[digital carbon]

I see

I had the same thing happen to me but for Google, ik how it feels

This is why I'm a firm believer that until you have something in writing, just assume it's empty promises

[severe jay]

yeah but 2 months is ridiculous, i missed out on so many opportunities because of it

[digital carbon]

Oh yea I hear you man, it sucks and is super unprofessional of them

[fiery otter]

What's like Amazon's on-site success rate

Less than 10%

?

[azure gull]

Wtf fuck roblox

[woven quartz]

damn... note to self: dont forget to ask for the offer in writing

[civic rivet]

Publicis Sapient will deny you if you’ve ever got a D/F on a course in college even if your gpa is above a 3.0. Also they pay 75k and no one has ever heard of them 😂

Like what are these companies thinking

[arctic drift]

welcome to consulting

[buoyant ruin]

So the sponsor of my capstone singled me out of my team and approached me in the dms with a quick:

“Do you have an interest in taking a job at [REDACTED]?  If you do, we should speak further about it, I would be interested in you working with us.”

[arctic drift]

I think the irony is that you get hired by places like Goldman Sachs but PS takes all the money

[buoyant ruin]

Does anyone know if these kinds of offers generally skip interviews? Similar to offers following internships?

[arctic drift]

why don't you just ask

I don't think anyone will know

for your specific company or person or whatever

[buoyant ruin]

I just got the message about setting up a time to talk an hour ago and I probably won’t get an answer for a week or so. Just trying to feel it out.

[digital carbon]

Yea idt anyone here would know, depends how much influence your sponsor has and what kind of company it's for

[dawn cape]

Hey guys quick question, so I had a recruiter email me a link to sign up for a final interview after I passed the oa but after doing the survey for choosing time I didn’t receive any confirmation and it’s been 5 days already is this normal, should I keep waiting or is it better to just email them?

[buoyant ruin]

There should be an email to contact their careers team.

Send it a message and they’ll help you out

[dawn cape]

Yea just sent but maybe since it was the long weekend it maybe taking long since I filled out my time slot on Thursday

[wind acorn]

consulting and IB is scary

one of my friends called me crying since she was working close to 70 hours a week during her internship

she was writing emails at 3AM on a Saturday

[unkempt echo]

tell her she has stockholm syndrome to her work

[barren wadi]

I do not have many instances from professional experience to answer behavioural questions @amazon. Is it OK if most of my responses are based on real-life scenarios and how I solved them?

[wet rover]

wait only 70?

some guy here said he was working like 80 at deloitte

as swe consultant

[ocean venture]

Haha I'd quit

[wet rover]

and then theres ib

where you can pull 90-100hr work weeks

investment banking

pays a hell lot more than swe in the long run

but u gotta survive for like 10 years lol

[barren wadi]

Projects related and as a store manager how I made business better with my solutions.

This advise sounds great.

Thanks ✌🏼

[wind acorn]

yeah survivorship bias

my school's really big on IB/consulting

and most people leave the industry after 2 years

[golden slate]

got my Amazon application status changed to "moved to another job" and a new application showed up today

can I expect good news

[tired bay]

After interview?

[golden slate]

yeah I was put in a waitlist of some sort after onsite

[tired bay]

True that is usually good sign

[golden slate]

I heard this usually leads to an offer most of the time for internship positions

I wonder if it works the same for full-time positions

some said it doesn't on reddit so..

just waiting for tmrw :/

[tired bay]

It does usually docs show up 24 hours later

[golden slate]

praying rn!

[stuck mango]

Two questions:
When should fall 2021 grads start looking to apply for FT positions?
Is it bad practice to start applications while still interning?

[tired bay]

July-September probs be lumped into 22 apps and start in February at lot of companies

[slim lake]

does the google university grad process go through the team matching stage after onsite? I've accepted an offer that starts at the end of this month, not sure if it's going to be feasible to go through it

I haven't withdrawn tho and have prep call on friday

also what do they ask? Is it standard LC type questions mostly?

seems like some low level design too maybe

[stuck mango]

Curious about the same just got reached out to by a recruiter

[stone monolith]

Sounds like an average day at deloitte

[digital carbon]

My understanding is that for new grad you get matched to broader product areas rather than specific teams. And at least for intern team matching there was no LC, it was more about how knowledgeable you are in the team's domain. So like I got matched to a mobile/web dev team, and their interview was asking me about my experience with Android development. The questions were pretty specific, like what is the activity lifecycle or how do you manage state if the user rotates their device.

Idk exactly what product area matching interviews would be like, but I'd guess no LC.

[mild nova]

Has anyone given the 30 mins final onsite round for Amazon new grad SDE role?

[timber pike]

It's easy. You'll just be going through OA2 and explaining how you solved the questions. What were your OA results for 1 and 2?

[feral marten]

You can only use this command in #2021_grad_process or #2021_intern_process

[civic hill]

Do you mind sharing how long does it take to hear back after oa3?

[timber pike]

Idk, it’s different for everyone. I haven’t gone through the process for new grad but for the internship it took around 2-3 weeks after OA3

[civic hill]

oh thanks for sharing!
2-3 weeks seems a bit long for someone like me who didn’t get 100% on the oa2

[ornate charm]

Hundred percent on OA1 and 2 then reject 3-4 days after OA3

[civic hill]

damn, hard luck my dude

[burnt karma]

What should I expect in a new grad behavioral interview? How do I prepare for it?

Also, how long is it okay to ask for time to prep for the behavioral round? Is 3 days okay?

This is the final round behavioral

I'd really appreciate some insight - this is my first behavioral haha

[rocky zinc]

Guys, when can expect openings to pop up for New grad Dec 2021.

[ocean venture]

July/August

[rocky zinc]

Cool, thanks!

[ocean venture]

They'll be 2022 roles that you're applying to

And they'll continue to open up through fall

[mild nova]

I got 7/7 in the debugging round and 2/2 in oa2

[civic hill]

when did you hear back after that?

[uncut zenith]

hey guys, what are some companies that are still giving OA to new grads rn?

[ocean venture]

Not many if any

[junior flare]

Damn I feel like a bum

I had an interview w a company of a friend of mines and they asked me to look over some react code and tell them what it does

Explained to them the general concept but man it’s annoying to see how others code, didnt get to explain it fully correctly

Feel like I bombed it

[severe jay]

does amazon team matching happen after onsite or before

req listed multiple locations but i’m only interested in nyc

[civic hill]

Probably after onsite

[digital carbon]

What kind of insight are you looking for

[digital carbon]

The very first round is a 1 hour phone round. All technical rounds, including for the onsite, are more or less the same. The interviewer might spend 5 minutes asking you questions about your resune, and then they dive into 2 LC mediums.

Yea the onsite has a round with a senior manager which seems to be either entirely behavioral or a mix of behavioral and object oriented or systems design

That round is an hour long as well

[woeful mortar]

good luck!

it sounds more scary than it is

just be prepared and you will do fine

[woeful dew]

Anyone knows if WePay has like a buffer interview where it's okay if you don't do great?

Bombed 1 out of 4 rounds. What are my chances? I'm assuming 0

[primal sierra]

People who got return offers, at what month of the year did you find out and what is the time window to accept?

[feral tiger]

Does anybody has a list of companies hiring new grad?

[ocean venture]

yeah one sec:

• none

• amazon

[slim lake]

I was asking the LC part was for the actual onsite interviews, not the team matching. Is that mostly LC style questions?

[fiery otter]

What is Amazon lab 126

[drifting raven]

They do outsourced work from Area 51

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Lab126 it appears to be the main RND division of Amazon which makes things like Kindle and Echo

[fiery otter]

O bettt

Wowwwwza

[digital carbon]

I probably wouldn't know, only went through phone interviews + team matching for the internship

Tbf you asked if there would be team matching then asked what the interviews are like so 😛

[real pawn]

Anyone recieve offers from Tower Research Capital ? If so, do they only hire from targets schools ?

[tranquil pebble]

I'm moving to Dulles, VA starting July 1st. If anybody else is too and want to share a place, let's connect. Feel free to DM.

[slim lake]

fair my bad

[slim lake]

Doing anything other than going to bed and sleeping after work can be difficult based on the kind of job you have. It's probably gonna be much easier now without having to waste 2 hours on commute anymore at least.

But yeah sure if you do it on the weekends for not too long it can be manageable

[clear zenith]

tfw you live in a basement with poor network reception and the recruiter emails you saying that you missed a call

bruh

this is fucking wack

[mental oak]

shout out to workday interviewer today. I was dog tired from my work week and they were totally understanding about it.

and not mean or cross about me not rescheduling it.

[clear zenith]

workday sounds like a healthy company

[rancid pawn]

Hey. I am having a query. Not sure if it is best place to ask.

I published a term paper in a group for my bachelors. Now my professor has published it. But the person who calculated values in the research paper is now claiming that the values are wrong.

Is there any problem i can have with my career?

Please give your best advices. I am new to this research thing

[clear zenith]

what kind of publication?

[ocean venture]

Is the workday app new grad?

[ocean venture]

Ty :)

[runic jewel]

Anyone interviewed for Zebra Technology?

[tall lantern]

Has anyone interviewed with Coinbase?

[real walrus]

Must be willing to work extended hours and weekends``` on spacex job page lmao

[clear zenith]

yo how important is the 'workstyle' assessment from OA2 amazon?

compared to the actual technical test, I did some reading on the leadership stuff but a lot of the statements are v vague

[fiery otter]

@runic jewel

Yes

I did lmfao

[wanton hound]

I am waiting on the phone screen

But I believe I have a fair idea of the process now

I applied 31st of March

[keen onyx]

What position?

[wanton hound]

University Grad

Software Engineer

[cursive loom]

good luck

[unkempt echo]

thanks

[rocky wing]

Question - I am graduating this December and was planning to start applying for jobs once the fall semester has started. Is this a good plan? Not sure how far in advance I should start applying

[orchid ibex]

earlier. Prob start in july and prep now since you'll be busy with school

[tall lantern]

I applied about a month ago. Completed OA then got contacted by a recruiter to set up a 1:1 with an engineer.

[timber pike]

Most applications will be out around August/September

[rocky wing]

Okay thanks for the advice. I'm interning full time this summer, hopefully that will just lead to a job offer but I'm not necessarily counting on that

[rocky wing]

Okay cool thanks! One of my professors told us we should be applying for full time jobs our sophomore year lmao

[timber pike]

Huh? That’s definitely not accurate lol

[digital carbon]

Yea what, why would you apply to FT jobs with 2 years of school left lol

[rocky wing]

Yeah this professor also told us that during his undergrad he coded 40 hours a week on top of hw

But I was always thinking yeah... not happening LOL

[digital carbon]

Professors be on that real grind huh

[rocky wing]

Yessir

[cursive loom]

Your thanks are insufficient

I require thanks prime

[unkempt echo]

prime

[cursive loom]

would you like to renew your thanks prime subscription?

[light flame]

anyone got their given name cut short on EAD?

[worthy spear]

One of my friends had the same issue.

[arctic drift]

Can I renew my techno subscription

[cursive loom]

you've already been signed up, and auto renewed

[arctic drift]

UwU

[tropic thorn]

Does anyone know of a list of US companies still recruiting new grads for this year? Looks like most of the ones on https://github.com/pittcsc/NewGrad-2021 have been filled

[heavy hare]

Does fully remote position mean working from other countries as well?

[sage fog]

i assume they prefer to keep you state side if it's a US based company due to taxes

[balmy minnow]

Someone need to make one

[dire igloo]

Anyone know what to expect for amazon SDE OA3?

[wind relic]

Read leadership principle and brainwash yourself imagining working as a current Amazon employee

[wind relic]

Also google Amazon work simulation and be familiar of the process. Then you'll be fine.

• focus on meeting a deadline vs not giving up longterm benefit for shortterm benfit

[dire igloo]

bet, tnx for the info 😄

[storm crane]

Did anyone get an email after Snap onsite regarding team allocation form?

[strong sand]

Hi guys does anyone have an idea of FourSquare NY SDE (New Grad) offer?

Like what is the total compensation

[vague shard]

Does anyone know good residential areas to live in Seattle (near to Amazon) ?

[storm crane]

Belltown, SLU

[leaden venture]

Anyone already working at Walmart new grad?

[vague shard]

Thanks alot ! Do you know any good 1bhk apartments ?

[civic rivet]

Is there a typical timeframe to hear back after oa3 from Amazon or does it vary?

[tired bay]

I think it’s like up to 2 weeks

[wise bloom]

I just got 3 rejections from Microsoft for the same job within 15mins, they must really hate me LMAO

4 now*

[sand bear]

Same here lmao

We're in the same boat

[woven quartz]

god damn same here

[restive kernel]

I got one after telling the recruiter I have an exploding deadline

[keen onyx]

Did Uber open New Grad positions this year?

[storm crane]

Same for me. Any updates on the decision?

[restive kernel]

Just got the verbal offer today

[storm crane]

how many days after you filled the form you got the verbal offer?

[restive kernel]

Like 10?

[quaint palm]

Has anyone ever gotten a LC Hard during an onsite? I had ~45 minutes and they gave me Integer to English Words... I never studied LC Hards since I didn't think anyone would use them for onsites especially for new grad positions This wasn't even a prestigious company/unicorn either.

[elder maple]

Yep i got two, but they were easy hards

From a startup at palo alto

45 mins each

They were merge k sorted lists and trapping rain water

@quaint palm

Those two are also frequently asked, my advice is to study the most frequently asked hard questions

[quaint palm]

Damn alright

[fiery otter]

Goddam

Integer to English words is tough

[north kiln]

Got a hard from Limebike a couple years ago, also got a hard at the two sigma final, not a fan of those

[quaint palm]

Yeah, it's unfortunate lol. But at least it's somewhat expected for Two Sigma and prop shops/trading firms. Startups and non prestigious companies asking hards is so overkill imo

[fiery otter]

Why

Would they do that

I'm tight Lowkey for u

All these small companies tryna act bigger than they are

[quaint palm]

Lol most interview processes are pretty fucked, but the companies aren't going to change anything. I'd be surprised if they did, but it's more likely that it'll get even more rigorous in the future

[restive kernel]

Well, last year and this year I've been asked hard in multiple interviews

trapping water 1/2, word search 2, largest rectangle in histogram(if you even consider this to be hard), to name a few

also back in the days LRU was hard but now its medium lol

[oblique bolt]

There's a lot of companies that dont ask LC still lol

You can try for those too if you want

[digital carbon]

Some startups are almost entirely ex-FAANG so for those it kinda makes sense. Otherwise yea makes no sense for the average startup that's probably gonna fail anyways.

But also it varies a lot. I interviewed at a startup and got asked pretty reasonable questions (an LC med and a system design problem iirc)

[elder maple]

The startup i applied to, looked up most of their engineers most of them are like ex google, ex yahoo

The ones who asked me the hards specifically were ex google lol

[quaint niche]

good startups can afford to be super selective – consider a 200-500 person startup with a ton of hype and top talent (Ramp, Scale, Nuro) that only hires 25 new grads vs Google's 5000 new grads (idk exact, but somewhere in this magnitude)

[elder maple]

Oops i replied to the wrong person

[fiery otter]

So if u do prep hards

Just prep the ones that are most frequent

Also if they do give u hard

How much time did they give y'all

Just allocated for the question

[elder maple]

the same as any question lmao

[elder maple]

45 mins

[fiery otter]

Na cuz some places only give u 30

[elder maple]

well for me it was 45, it depends on the place

[heavy jacinth]

I have got amazon 30 min phone interview for AWS grad role
Anyone got this ?

[ornate charm]

Amazon recruiter hit me up for SDE2 and SDE3 roles lmfao wtf 😳

[unkempt echo]

go for it

[keen cipher]

you're a big guy dude

[ocean venture]

Don't go for it if ur actually new grad you'll just get rejected

I had a recruiter hit me up for SDE1/2 and then was like lol sorry u just graduated? Not eligible

They won't be able to do anything they've got hard rules apparently

I would at least setup a phone call tho and if you have that conversation they can forward your resume

[real pawn]

lmao same

but i m graduating in 2022 and looking for new grad 😦

so not replying back

[ocean venture]

Reply back

Just to let them know you're graduating 2022 but would love to be connected to a relevant recruiter

It can't hurt

[ornate charm]

Im gonna be at Microsoft so I’m not tripping to hit amazon back up

[wet rover]

flex

mans gonna be writing windows 10 patches with stackoverflow

[mild nova]

I have got. When is your interview?

[heavy jacinth]

The date is not yet scheduled

It's a grad role . I had the taken the assessment few months back . So they skipped the assessment

Not sure what they will ask. Any idea anyone ?

[radiant snow]

if its just a single 30min interview, I think you got the job

[restive kernel]

Its basically asking what question you did on OA2, how you did it

And then its time for you to ask them questions, and boom you got into amazon

[placid marlin]

Are there any Bloomberg new grad groups or group chats ? And similarly are there any NYC groups for new grads ?

[fiery otter]

Wait is the 30 minute basically a guarantee for the job?

That's kinda lit

[marsh ledge]

Are there any oracle new grad groups?

[full shore]

Yes

[cursive loom]

yes

[granite flax]

yes

[candid torrent]

Anyone has interviewed for Amazon SDE 1 role? not new grad

[fiery otter]

Following up to with this quesjron, should be honest with them

Or tell em no?

[barren wadi]

On thing I can say is, it can expedite the process, be it scheduling interviews, or giving result and other stuff

[slim lake]

Anyone given Google onsite for University grad

[elder maple]

Yep, it helped expedite the process

[digital carbon]

Yes this is the way to go, it helps expedite the process and shows you're desirable by other companies (i.e. leverage for negotiation)

[grand tangle]

Me

[ocean venture]

Lol Goldman Sachs finally emailed me after not emailing me back to reschedule an interview after..3 months? 4?

[severe jay]

been almost 2 weeks since oa3 submission, portal still says under review, is this normal?

[civic rivet]

Samies

[fiery otter]

Does Amazon ghost when they ask u for interviews date

[severe jay]

seems that way, recruiter said theyll reach out to schedule onsite then never reached out lmao

[radiant snow]

i've been applying to every data scientist opening at walmart, never got a call back. any success with you guys?

[willow perch]

should i start applying for jobs now if i graduate at the end of fall 2021 semester? or should i wait 1 or 2 more months?

[fiery otter]

@severe jay

[ocean venture]

you won't have many positions to apply for until july/august

[fiery otter]

Did u get asked the dates tho?

[ocean venture]

but definitely apply once they open

[willow perch]

gotcha @ocean venture thank you!

[ocean venture]

no problem

[spare violet]

Does anyone have a team match process with Twitch?

[tropic thorn]

Anyone else who graduated this year still looking for a job?

[honest lodge]

Has anyone recently interviewed for 2021 Software Development Engineer - University (ID: 1547894) at Amazon?

[ocean venture]

yeeup

[ocean venture]

aws?

i know about the process if you're looking for that info

[tropic thorn]

how has the search been for ya?

[honest lodge]

Yes

[ocean venture]

not fantastic, got close to one offer but didnt get it

[tropic thorn]

Yeah it's been similar for me. We in this together fam

the new grad jobs that come out in the next recruiting cycle (july-august and beyond) are still applicable to us, right?

[oblique bolt]

Yeah some should be

They'll have a requirement saying you're 12-months of graduation

[ocean venture]

Most should be, i think some companies do 6 months but they'll be more generous since covid I'm assuming

[oblique bolt]

I hope they're more generous

A lot of people got screwed by the hiring freezes of last year

[honest lodge]

@ocean venture could you walk me through the process?

[tropic thorn]

yes, me included 😣

nah not yet, applied to a few in the past few days after taking a few months break

yeah, I've just been grinding lc for the past month

I've found that to be my bottleneck if anything

[queen burrow]

After I took OA3 for AWS, I got this:
Technical Phone Screen (30 minutes): Assessment of your technical background and qualifications to excel in this role. Interview format - Verification of online assessment code and/or problem solving questions with Live code link.
Is this the mythical 30min final round that people talk about? It sounds like they will make me solve another problem after all?

[heady kindle]

Could you share an anon resume? I’ve been struggling to get hits for some reason

[oblique bolt]

Yep sounds like the mythical 30 min call

I think they basically call you and you just go over your OA answers

And just answer stuff like why you chose to do X instead of Y or explain the time/space complexity of your solution

[queen burrow]

Got it thanks! Have we seen instances where they ask another LC question in addition? Seems like going over OA answers should not required the entire 30 minutes.

[oblique bolt]

No clue

But I don't remember hearing about anyone getting another LC after the OAs

Except maybe in the 3x45 interviews

[radiant snow]

one for me too pls

[tropic thorn]

What companies are you in the loop with?

let's grind together 🦾

I'd email the recruiter, and if they don't respond, I would just reapply.

[honest lodge]

@queen burrow when is your interview

[queen burrow]

Not scheduled yet

[dire igloo]

how long did it take for them to reach out after u completed OA3?

[queen burrow]

Took mine this weekend

[dire igloo]

Oh forsure took mine yesterday, just wanted to get an expected response time TY

[fiery otter]

Does Amazon have a rep for ghosting when they give u interview dates to choose from

Or nah

If it has happened to anyone on here

[daring bough]

amazon interview process kind of disorganized

[fiery otter]

Ooo gotcha

Recruiter gave me dates to choose from I gave them and no confirmation email or anything

[grand tangle]

Yes

[ashen hatch]

Did anyone who was waitlisted for Amazon SDE new grad 2021 receive an email asking for confirming their availability?

[onyx surge]

hi guys, is this legit ? I got email from amazon recruiter:

Hello XXX,

I found your resume in the portal for our XXX position in XXX, XXX or XXX.

Amazon Web Services is looking for experienced engineers to help us define and build the future of cloud storage. We are working on an exciting service in the storage and backup domain, to complement and enhance existing AWS EC2 offerings. This is for team which is going serverless. The position are for backend engineers and low level embedded engineers.

If you are interested in Amazon, share your resume if you are not engaged with any other recruiter at Amazon. I can share relevant job description or set up a call to understand more about your skill and our open positions. Please do not forget to mention location of your choice

[worthy spear]

Idk if it’s legit but it’s just a resume so why not?

[mild nova]

How many days does it usually take for Amazon to get back after the final 30 mins interview?

[feral tiger]

Has anyone went through Employment Sponsorship Questionnaire with Walmart 2021 Campus: Software Engineer role? What do they ask?

[spare violet]

Do twitch and amazon share a freeze period?

[ocean venture]

Probably legit considering AWS is doing hiring rn

[radiant snow]

the one that pops up after finishing the application

?

[feral tiger]

No. Received an email with a task that says Employment Sponsorship Questionnaire

Yes. There's a 2021 Campus role

[radiant snow]

its a part of the application. they ask you about your visa status and sponsorship

[cinder axle]

I am having hard time getting interviews and passing interviews. I am so stressed.

[knotty basin]

drop the resume my guy we can at least help ya with the first part

[cinder axle]

I can DM

[knotty basin]

post in resume advice channel!

just anonymize it first if you don’t wanna doxx yourself

[uncut zenith]

anyone applied online to OPT and received the final response?

[wintry robin]

out of curiosity, what would happen if someone landed a new grad position but failed a class required to graduate? would the offer get revoked?

[fiery otter]

@wintry robin

U could ask em to extend ur grad date

Or don't tell em and finesse the class unless they ask for ur degree or transcript

[ocean venture]

^ they may not check

i would finesse tbh

[woeful dew]

Okay so.
Amazon New Grad role.
I got rejected on Feb 14th.
Got OA again for the new role on 7th June
And today got another email to schedule a virtual onsite (3x45)

What the fuck?

It goes without saying that I did not attempt the second OA

Even the link was broken

Is this legit?

[clear zenith]

idk perhaps contact the recruiter that reached out to you on linkedin for confirmation

[fiery otter]

If u passed an OA in the past 6 months

U don't have to take it again I think

@woeful dew

Cuz even if it's a different role I think u did pass an OA in the past 6 months

[woeful dew]

Right but they already rejected me in February

[ocean venture]

Maybe reaching out again since you were marked as a decent candidate?

They don't always cut off rejects AFAIK

[fiery otter]

I know but maybe cuz it's a different role

Did u get a completed

OA

In feb

Or u were resume rejected

[woeful dew]

Yeah I completed the OA

[fiery otter]

brother dont question it

just kill it

[timber pike]

Amazon hiring is a fucking mess

[restive kernel]

🍌

[woven quartz]

if you get an offer, do you let other companies know of the deadline or do you just say you got an offer?

[restive kernel]

If you want to push the other companies then let them know the deadline

[woven quartz]

thanks

[fiery otter]

Why is Amazon hiring like crazy rn

Is it cuz of the new Arlington office

Or has that been open for a long time haha

[ocean venture]

oh wait

bro

i got the tesla shit too

3.5 virtual onsite dear fucking lord

[fiery otter]

Yeooo we ballinggg

[clear zenith]

vancouver is hiring mad rn

its not just US

tf going with AWS

[tired bay]

That full campus not gonna be fully complete till 2025 they started leasing buildings there though

[buoyant ruin]

Got the official offer from Oracle for the cloud analyst consultant position ($75k + 10k sign on)

Have a one-on-one meeting Thursday with my capstone sponsor (senior manager of TS @ F5) who wants me to come work for him full time (120k + 10k sign on)

and I have several other conversations with recruiters going on right now.

But I am fuckin exhausted right now.

Do I take the shitty Oracle offer and jump ship the moment I get a better offer?

Do I reach out to the sponsor and let them know about oracles offer?

[ocean venture]

sounds like a prime opportunity forrrr

RENEGGG

take your offer from F5, reneg with oracle. delay if you need to for other recruiter opportunities

you can delay with oracle and also reneg by saying "hey, I've got an offer with F5 for 130k TC. I would love to work for Oracle as I'm so passionate about Java, but I've got a family to feed (lol?) and would be much more comfortable at a higher TC. Is there anyway we can renegotiate?"

I need a week/2 weeks to decide

as this is such an IMPORTANT life choice

no reason to rush

[restive kernel]

where's that oracle position based? why's the compensation so peanut

[ocean venture]

probably peanut because it's not strictly SE

[buoyant ruin]

^this

[ocean venture]

that's something to also consider

would you like to take a position that isn't strictly SE for less money? or work where your title will actually be SE and a higher comp

i'd personally have oracle off the table except to reneg and use that reneg to reneg f5 LOL

[restive kernel]

I would recommend against a position thats not swe for better future career growth

[ocean venture]

^ you get 1 year experience as SE and you'll have so many opportunities from that

can't say the same about a cloud support position

[subtle helm]

Where are you guys finding new grad postings? I feel like I tend to find most of them on LinkedIn but it's kinda dry rn

[buoyant ruin]

reneg the f5?

[ocean venture]

yep

why not?

it sounds like he really wants you

so you have a LOT of leverage

he has history with you and knows you're a good engineer based off your capstone

[buoyant ruin]

Idk why but I kept interpreting "reneg" as "renege" rather than renegotiate.

I mean... I know why but still

[ocean venture]

haha all g

[subtle field]

has anyone taken the Epic Systems skills assessment test?

or coding assessment using codility for splunk?

[fiery otter]

What is a ATMS

For salesforce

AMTS

My bad

[uneven isle]

I think Associate Member of Technical Staff

I got it right. It's entry-level https://www.levels.fyi/company/Salesforce/salaries/Software-Engineer/Associate-MTS/

[fiery otter]

O dammm

Thanks mayun

[subtle field]

gotcha thanks @void pond. I didn't know it was going to be that long. I'm prepping for it now. Hopefully it goes well.

[knotty basin]

vmware does this too but it just means software engineer afaik

[spare violet]

I have a very special question. I failed my AWS interview in April and I passed my twitch interview in May. Now I want to team match with teams of Amazon, which is allowed by my twitch recruiter. Will the recruiter of Amazon reject me because of my previous AWS interview?

[ocean venture]

I doubt it

[knotty basin]

why do you want to team match w amazon instead of twitch? are you positive that’s what the recruiter was saying you could do?

won’t you have to reinterview?

[spare violet]

My twitch recruiter can provide my interview feedback to amazon side.

[knotty basin]

ah

[spare violet]

My twitch recruiter doesn't have any sde1 openings now

So he can't help me to team match with Twitch

[knotty basin]

that’s… weird, i’m interviewing for sde1 right now

at twitch

something seems a bit funky about that

[spare violet]

Our recruiter may be different

[oblique bolt]

: o

[spare violet]

so weird hahh

[knotty basin]

i mean yeah most likely but if there are open positions across teams they don’t place you on another team? wtf lol

[spare violet]

I think it is feasible

But I think I need to contact teams by meself

[mild nova]

Is their anyone who has got an offer from AWS university sde role but has H1 transfer situation?

[slim lake]

anyone done google university grad onsite?

[elder dragon]

What’s the cycle of new grad positions? Is it even worth applying in summer, should I wait for Aug?

[ocean venture]

Well, what is your argument for it to not be worth applying in the summer?

Because that seems like a loaded question

[rancid gull]

how long can i expect to wait for a google hc decision?

[restive kernel]

Like 1-3 weeks

[zealous relic]

anyone knows anything about blockthrough?

I think so, I guess they try to display ads in a user friendly manner instead of spamming users

[slow breach]

anyone google team match in Seattle for new grad?

[zealous relic]

Update after reading the OA instructions: 2 questions in 30 mins

[ocean venture]

Easy clap

Take that dub

[ocean venture]

question: if I finish the AWS OA after an amazon recruiter has reached out to me and asks me to apply, would I need to do the oa again?

[near forge]

Has anyone given a phone screening interview for a front-end 1 role at Amazon? I have one coming up soon and would like to know your experience.

[knotty basin]

bruh what

[hollow cove]

Guys hows the amazon university grad

Technical assesment?

Is it really hard?

[rancid gull]

2 mediums for me

[ocean venture]

First oa is relatively easy just not a lot of time

Haven't done my second but 2 mediums is what I hear commonly as well

[pseudo wigeon]

if i graduated in dec 2020 but want to try again for jobs this new grad cycle, should I say my grad date was may 2021 or is that a bad idea cause my transcript says dec 2020

[knotty basin]

two mediums for me and for my friend as well

[knotty basin]

no just apply as a new grad with the dec 2020 grad date shouldn't be an issue

[pseudo wigeon]

Cool thanks also if I’ve been working at a job rn should I still disclose it on my resume? I haven’t been cause I’ve only been there since March and thought I’d get a lot of questions about why I want to leave so quickly

[knotty basin]

is it a full time role?

[pseudo wigeon]

Yuh

[restive kernel]

Most companies consider you a new grad if you graduated within one year

but it can vary

[ocean venture]

I'd include it if it's relevant. I switched to full time and include it bc it's specifically a position where it's not a big deal if i leave, but I'd still say leave it, worst comes to worst they ask u a q about it but i doubt it

Short term employment ranges are v common until you're about a year out

[clear zenith]

here to say 2 mediums for OA2 as well

[clear zenith]

let me look it up

5 days

[slow breach]

I personally wouldn’t include it. The first few months are generally just on boarding and you haven’t really done much besides ramping up. Also, red flag in that you might seem flaky

[knotty basin]

probably also don’t want them reaching out to the company in the later stages of interviewing lol

in general i agree w doge

[manic turret]

anyone got 30 min technical phone interview after OA3 for the aws ng role? its weird

[ripe gull]

Has anyone interviewed for Mindex software engineering position for paychex??

[pseudo wigeon]

yeah thats what i was worried about mainly

[wanton hound]

Why is it weird?

[dreamy charm]

lel

[wind lake]

How much Tym does amazon take to get back after VO?

For grad position

[manic turret]

because other people do not have phone interview after OAs

all of them are 1 or 3 rounds VO

[dreamy charm]

What is VO?

[manic turret]

virtual onsite

[dreamy charm]

amazon did virtual onsite?

I remember having to meet with an engineer for OA3, but not VO

[wanton hound]

Oh wait its like a tech 'phone' interview? Sorry I misinterpreted, that's usually a step for SDE-1 though

[mystic mica]

you either get a single 45 min meme round or 3 full rounds after OA3 depending on how u did

30 min phone screen is kinda weird

[wanton hound]

My friend has a call with a recruiter next week for new grad too though so Idk what they are doing

[fiery otter]

@manic turret

That is ur final

U only have one

If u get the phone

[radiant snow]

If it's a single 30 mins call, you got the job already

[clear zenith]

damn get that bread boi

[radiant snow]

I applied for that role with my .edu email. The status says under consideration. I'm scared that my edu ID might not receive those assessment emails 😐

[manic turret]

amazing

[mystic mica]

check ur spam inbox

a lot of people's edu emails send it there

[radiant snow]

Nothing yet

[knotty basin]

this is true it just happened to my friend

as long as you don’t bomb it *

[mystic mica]

imagine getting the meme round

[graceful hazel]

Did anyone recently got verily interview?

[fiery otter]

Why can I get the meme round

The hell

How does a jump from a meme round to a 3x45 make sense

Lmfao

[ocean venture]

Out of interest how did you do on the OAs?

[manic turret]

i got all the test cases pass in OA1 and OA2

[clear zenith]

sheesh

[ocean venture]

damn i got 6/7 and couldn't test my last one LOL

not sure if i'll be able to cop that 30 min

[clear zenith]

Yo so I have an interview tomorrow and this is the posting link they gave me. I'm a new grad????

its also 1.5 hours long

[oblique bolt]

Bruh

[clear zenith]

idk what to expect to be honest

[oblique bolt]

I think you should let them know they sent you the wrong posting link ngl

[clear zenith]

the only thing I got before this was a prep call yesterday

didnt even get an OA

[oblique bolt]

The position they linked you seems like it's for a seasoned dev not a new grad

[clear zenith]

also before they sent me this invite I got rejection email

too late its 9pm there already and the interview is early tomorrow morning kek

[oblique bolt]

damn

must be a different recruiter really looking to fill the position

good luck lmao

[slate juniper]

I got an offer for junior software developer, super excited but I am interested in negotiating the terms of the offer. Was wondering if anyone had a link to a guide or tips

For example is it common to be able to negotiate up base salary? or is it more common to find adjustments in other parts of the renumeration

Feel free to ping with answers

[pastel condor]

https://haseebq.com/my-ten-rules-for-negotiating-a-job-offer/

[digital carbon]

^ that's a very good resource

[clear pike]

I am just curious, what are some of the most sought after new grad jobs?

[clear pike]

yeah

[knotty basin]

probably the places you’d expect that are apps you have on the home screen of your phone lol

fb google apple msft snap twitter reddit linkedin etc etc

[clear pike]

fb/google/apple/msft I get but idk if most ppl are going after reddit and the likes yknow?

i mean i guess it comes down to your preference

but more so what ppl universally agree are the best places to work (compensation/culture/etc all considered)

[digital carbon]

If we're talking about universally popular companies, your standard FAANG companies probably fit the bill

But there are companies that are tougher to get into for various reasons, like hot startups or quant firms

[fiery otter]

Risky

To reschedule a on-site for a big company

Or@nah

If I want like an extra week

[digital carbon]

When's it scheduled for rn

I don't think they'd care unless you cancelled a day before without an extremely good reason

[fiery otter]

mine is scheduled

on the 16th

kinda want till the 23rd

or 24th

Amazon

i kinda wanna be like if possible can i reschedule for next week but if not the current date is totally fine

[civic hill]

iirc someone said it takes 6 weeks to schedule an VO now

in this channel

or #2021_grad_process

[digital carbon]

I think that's fine

[fiery otter]

yea ima try my luck

i think i need another week to fully prepare

[digital carbon]

Like worst case they just tell you no lol

Amazon is a big faceless company, I doubt they'd care

They probably interview hundreds of people everyday

[fiery otter]

lmaoo

yea

also my interviewers

look a lil

intense

[digital carbon]

Damn

[fiery otter]

goddam

400

while stuff man

idk i feel giving interviews would be fun

compared to the regular job

[digital carbon]

Hmm it eats into your time to deliver on projects

Ik my teammates have been pulled aside to do interviews at the worst times lol, but in general they do seem to enjoy it

The downside is that apparently they're never told if the people they interview make it through or not

Which is lowkey sad

[fiery otter]

whaaa

rlly

wtf

[oblique bolt]

damn

[digital carbon]

Yea fr

[oblique bolt]

wtf did i type lmao

but damn that's kinda sad

though at some companies, youll be interviewed by your future team mates

like the three people that interviewed me at glassdoor are now my managers lol

[digital carbon]

Nice haha

:(

[oblique bolt]

oh that's nice

oh

[digital carbon]

Well, you don't know until you really hear back

[oblique bolt]

^

[digital carbon]

I'm guessing a week or two?

You had the phone screen right

[feral tiger]

I have a web developer questionnaire to complete. One of the questions ask "Please list out the layers of a modern web application, and if you have worked in any of them." I am trying to figure out what are the layers and its tech?

After doing some research, I found out that there are 3 layers: presentation (UI), business (Backends), and persistence (Databases/DMS). Please clarify if these are correct and maybe an insight into how can I answer this better?

[ocean venture]

That's correct, you want to indicate what makes up the UI (DOM, CSS, etc), how the backend connects with the UI (requests, POST, GET) and how you manipulate data from a database for display on the front end

[feral tiger]

How would you answer questions like "Have you used any API/Back End frameworks? If yes, please describe your experience with them."

I was thinking of stating specific examples on how I used the frameworks. But, I remembered another strategy of using the C-A-R (Challenge Action Result) statement. So, what would be the best way to answer this question?

[ocean venture]

If you have any projects that you've done backend work for, use that

The project challenge is why it needed to exist in the first place

Action could be why you chose the technology stack you did

And result could be what void it filled/what you accomplished

But i don't think car strictly relates to that exact question

More for behavioral questions

[feral tiger]

@ocean venture I like how you restructure the car statement so that it fits the question. I think it's a really good way to go with it.

[fiery otter]

Lmao dam I was about send the email to ask to reschedule then I remembered my internships starts on June 21st

Bruh how am I gonna intevriew if I'm working 12 to 8

I'm kinda screwed Lowkey

[oblique bolt]

Interview from 9 to 12 ez

[fiery otter]

Cant on the west coast tho

Lmfao

[oblique bolt]

But also since you’ll be interviewing during your first week of the internship, you’ll have time

On boarding takes time

[slate juniper]

so I've been reading this piece on negotiating offers and it seems a big part of it is having multiple offers. I'll be straight here, atm I don't have multiple offers on the table. Though I'd be happy (believe it or not) to keep interviewing and searching, what's the downside to just bluffing advantageously?

i.e saying you're considering offers from multiple places even though in reality you're not

downsides aside from the obvious dubious moral implications

[oblique bolt]

Sometimes they might call you on your bluff by asking for an offer letter

[slate juniper]

I think you can pretty easily get away or dodge it on the grounds of being an unreasonable request

or maybe even tell them you got verbal offer

explain away by saying "the letter itself contains confidential info that I can't share"

lots of outs

feels like in the end the only real call to your bluff is "we don't care (i.e don't believe you), we're not moving"

[clear zenith]

worst they can say is no.

my personal rule for negotiating as a new grad is that you ask once and ask nicely

[digital carbon]

There's no real downside

Of course, if they do call your bluff, you'll probably get blacklisted

[unkempt echo]

for negotiation specifically, some companies (like google) will ask for written proof

but like 95% of the time they won't question you, it just sucks the 5% of the time they do cause then you'll have to be careful with what you say

if you can navigate that then more power to you, negotiation is a skillset in itself

[digital carbon]

@slate juniper That said, I'll note that leverage can come in many forms, multiple offers being the strongest of them. If you can find other, legitimate reasons to negotiate, those can still get you pretty far. Eg. If you take care of family members, and taking the new job will be a huge disruption in your and their lives, then you can ask to be compensated (literally or figuratively) for that.

[stone monolith]

You have to start the bluff from the moment they ask you “what companies are you currently working with”

Starting the bluff this late in the game is going to be very risky, because the recruiter’s probably already asked you who you’re working with and if you said “no one at the moment teehee”

Then 2 weeks later you get your offer from company A, and then tell them that you’ve got a competing offer from company B worth 20k more

Very sus

Just something to keep in mind

And make sure if you are going to bluff that the salary range is in line with what it says on levels.fyi

Not like 350k starting for a night janitor at Google

But again ymmv, and for legal reasons

this is not career advice. For entertainment purposes only

[balmy minnow]

Just lie and if they ask for proof forge a document

[stone monolith]

Bet

[queen burrow]

I just did the 30 minute phone interview after OA3 with a manager for the aws uni role. He said that I should expect an onsite round. Do yall think he's mistaken or is this a thing now?
edit: That was the final round as expected

[umbral heath]

What you all think about doing ms in Canada?

[knotty basin]

i like how you messaged and then got the email offer letter before anyone could even reply

[slate juniper]

Def aware of this

[zenith marten]

Has anyone been asked bit manipulation questions recently in an interview?

[slate juniper]

yeah agreed, though I'm wary of putting too many little reasons and excuses on the table, oh covid, oh family mortgage, oh I give to charity, oh I'm looking to buy a house

[slate juniper]

shouldn't be, it's been a month since I've spoken at all so even if this is the case then very reasonable for that situation to have changed, even drastically, since then

[slate juniper]

also really? sure looks like advice pertaining to one's career to me... and it better be because I mean that's what I'm here for? lol

[grand tangle]

Has any interviewed with Verily for Technical Solutions Engineer position ?

[clear zenith]

embarrassing interview

dont think I'm getting this

[knotty basin]

this feeling blows

[knotty basin]

it’s a legal thing i think at least i know it is when it pertains to finances

[slate juniper]

even worse lol, good luck trying to pass that off as non-advice

[plucky hinge]

Does anyone know whether a company can see if you’ve submitted I-9s for other companies

[ocean venture]

I don't believe they can?

[plucky hinge]

Even though it’s a govt doc?

I’m kinda in a predicament 😭

Like let’s say I signed with company A

Then another company runs a background check on me

Will they see that I’ve submitted the I-9 for company A

[ocean venture]

It's a govt doc but i don't think it's necessarily public info, it's supposedly private to your place of employment

But i don't think they would know through just a background check?

[plucky hinge]

Okay cool

I’ll definitely look more into it but I appreciate it

[mystic mica]

did you already submit your documents (passport, etc.) for I-9?

[stone monolith]

How have you submitted your I-9 already?

👀

[plucky hinge]

Yes

The background check is finished

[stone monolith]

Ah shit i didn’t know that

I’m always rushing to find my passport on day 3 of employment

Yeah you can submit it up to 90 days prior to starting 🤔

Just go with the other company tbh

Nobody cares

They’ll find another warm body to fill your seat

[plucky hinge]

Im just afraid the second company will run a background check and see I already signed with the first company 🤦‍♂️😂

[stone monolith]

Nah it doesn’t count til the company sends your name to the credit bureaus

And til your start date

HR will say you’re not employed

Because you’re not

[plucky hinge]

Okay that sounds good

Is there any way that I could probably look more into it

Like who do I call 🤣

[stone monolith]

You can run a background check on yourself

They’re like 50 bucks

I did that before I started working FT because I had a pretty lengthy background investigation

[plucky hinge]

Oh shit that’s not a bad idea haha

[tropic thorn]

Has anyone ever heard of a startup called Current?

[clear zenith]

another shite interview today

bomb two interviews twice in a row in one day

incredible

[oblique bolt]

Some days are like that

Keep you chin up my dude, you’ll get something soon

[feral tiger]

Anyone willing to review my open ended web developer questionnaire? Please let me know.

[ocean venture]

sure

[feral tiger]

Thank you @ocean venture . Will send it to you soon.

[fiery otter]

Yeoooo

What's the chances Amazon

Amazon's fires first test

Year

[upbeat hearth]

Hey guys,
I am pursuing my Masters, graduating this december. I have a small query. I have previous work experience of more than 5 years in my country. Should I apply for mid senior level jobs? Or stick to new grad?
Do they consider outside USA experience?

[ocean venture]

lmfao u get an offer bro?!

[oblique bolt]

I think you can try for the mid senior jobs. Experience is experience

[fiery otter]

@ocean venture

Trust me if I did

U would know

Ima process the hell outa that shit

Thank u bleepbloop

U one of the reals on here

[torn ivy]

Is anyone here gonna be working at Microsoft ?

If so, can anyone explain how the lump sum relocation works? It says they’d give you a bank card with the funds on it. Does this mean I essentially have a gift card of money? What happens if I have some of the relocation money leftover, can I withdraw it for cash / buy other things with it?

[quaint falcon]

Have you started applying ?

[wind lake]

What is the cool down period like in amazon?

[keen cipher]

has anyone here interviewed with Credit Karma for new grad?

[sonic pendant]

Has anyone done 1 hour technical phone round with square for new grad?

[balmy minnow]

When do u graduate?

[sonic pendant]

I graduated this spring....

[rancid pawn]

Hi. I have an offer from Adobe, and one from a young (2.5 years old) company.

The latter is in private equity funding round (not series a, b, or c), and has a funding of 600M. The latter is also offering more.

Where should I go? Adobe or the other company? My goal is to eventually go for an MBA within two years.

[dreamy crest]

Depends on location, job position, etc

Adobe is more name recognition but would you be earning more after tax at the startup, would they pay for your MBA

[frank comet]

is it series D or E? if it is an earlier funding round you can get in before potential ipo and retire

gamer move for sure

[rancid pawn]

Its neither. Its in Private Equity round. But they have good funding.

[rancid pawn]

Not sure.

[frank comet]

What industry? @rancid pawn

[rancid pawn]

Fintech. Its Navi Technologies. https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/bac-acquisition

[frank comet]

Are the roles the same at Adobe and this place? Like if you take Navi will you dislike the role more than Adobe?

[rancid pawn]

Not sure. Tbh😂. I am interested in momey and security

Those are not negotiating up

[frank comet]

Seems as though you have to decide between the higher risk / higher potential reward vs lower pay but better job security

[rancid pawn]

Its like.

Adobe:
12.5 (Base) + 1 (Gratuity) + 10 (Stonks, 4 years) + 2 (Joining Bonus) + 3 (Retention Bonus)

Navi:
18 (Base) + 2 (ESOPs)

[unkempt echo]

if your goal is an MBA in 2 years, i think adobe makes more sense

you prob want more financial security and stable work experience pre-MBA

[rancid pawn]

Yeah I think so too.

[unkempt echo]

It doesn't make much sense to go to an early stage startup if you plan on leaving in 2 years since you're taking on the startup risk without the massive potential upside

[rancid pawn]

Yeah. Does brand name help in MBA?

[unkempt echo]

if it were a late stage startup then maybe but def not a pre series A startup

[rancid pawn]

They have good funding though. The owned himself has pumped 400 millions

But its definitely pre series a

[unkempt echo]

personally think this should be your biggest consideration

why take on risk if you wont realize long term massive upside

unless you like the work significantly more ig

[rancid pawn]

Not really huge. I heard the name 2 weeks back

The work at adobe is in cloud team

[rancid pawn]

I don't know what the hell cloud teams at companies do but i wanna work at something cool like this😂😂

[severe jay]

do they ask about aws knowledge during their onsites for new grads?

[ocean venture]

1x30 or 3x45? they probably for sure don't in the 1x30, maybe in 3x45?

[severe jay]

3 x 45

[severe jay]

true cus im a strictly gcp man lmao

[sinful zenith]

just to make sure, when you apply for a job there is no such thing as campus interviews right? that is only prevalent for internships right?

[feral tiger]

Anyone applying to CharterUp ? How's the coding assessment?

[spare violet]

Does Amazon have a very strict cooling period?

[keen cipher]

6 month cooling period

[spare violet]

Is this a policy requirement, or it depends on the specific hm and hr?

[knotty basin]

i think the latter based on my experience

not super strict

[mighty plume]

hey guys, I got an offer from a company but I am currently 1 month into my 3 month internship, should I drop my internship to accept the offer?

yeah full time

its like double the pay of my current internship, but i feel like its just a shitty move to ditch my internship 1 month in lol

[mighty plume]

tis Qaulcomm

and yeah i graduated

[oblique bolt]

Yeah I'd go for FT too

[ocean venture]

Also would go ft, consider the 3 month difference of internship experience vs professional and how it could help future job hunts

[orchid ibex]

I recommend just extending your start day by a month

i mean by 2 months

And only if you prefer the full time company over the internship company. You could recieve a ft offer afterwards

[mild nova]

Anybody got an offer from Amazon/AWS SDE university role and is graduating in August/September this year?

[slim lake]

I got a call from google recruiter following my onsite saying that she got the feedback and has sent it for review to the HC and it's a "good sign"

personally was expecting a clear reject, but does this even mean anything?

until the HC makes a decision

I did get a very strong referral from someone who works there so that's the only thing that's making me consider this

[knotty basin]

if they said it's a good sign the interview feedback was probably good and she thinks it's likely you'll get an offer or she probably wouldn't have said that

but i'm just extrapolating

it means nothing until HC makes a decision ultimately though

so i still wouldn't get hopes up just in case lol

[slim lake]

It would honestly be a big inconvenience if i did get the offer lmfao

My new job starts in two weeks and I've booked the airbnb already for a month

[knotty basin]

oof

[slim lake]

And I would be put into an ethical dilemma of whether to renege so late

[fiery otter]

!process footlocker reject

[feral marten]

You can only use this command in #2021_grad_process or #2021_intern_process

[knotty basin]

depends on how the offer stacks up to your current offer i guess

honestly wouldn't be concerned about any ethical dilemmas

hot take but companies don't give a fuck about you so don't give a fuck about them

unless it's a place you absolutely would not wanna burn bridges to at all costs

[slim lake]

yeah I know but I guess we should be better than them at some level. Actually my friend referred me to my current company, so it might affect his reputation possibly.

[knotty basin]

nah i don't agree. us being better than them won't stop them from scalping you for all you're worth and doing shitty unethical things

if you aren't playing their ballgame then you're doing yourself a disservice tbh

but the latter half of that i can see being a concern

i'm worried about the same thing rn lol

[slim lake]

counterpoint for the sake of argument - integrity, and having the ability to look back and see that you never fucked someone over, pays off much better rewards in the long run. Moreoever, when you're a good person and help rather than fuck over others, the people within the companies will work to rally behind you and protect you against the amoral corporate institutions that would discard you without a second thought.

[knotty basin]

sure, i see what you’re saying — for sake of argument, i think loyalty to yourself and doing what’s best for yourself comes before loyalty to any company or anyone external to you

i think you can still be totally respectful about it and just be like i’m sorry i decided to go a different path for my career and do it in a way that isn’t fucking someone over

[karmic pawn]

in practice your latter point does not occur at larger companies @ inner

[spice belfry]

@slim lake could I pm you about your onsite prep?

[karmic pawn]

plenty of moral and just people have been fucked over

[slim lake]

sure

[knotty basin]

yeah, i don’t think any company is necessarily moral or ethical, they look out for themselves first and foremost, and will fuck you over intentionally or unintentionally if it benefits them

you taking the higher ground won’t prevent or mitigate this in any way

on an interpersonal level of course don’t be an asshole and don’t seek to screw people over but a corporation that exists under capitalism is inherently not an ethical creature so assuming they will act morally and justly is a misstep

[slim lake]

conan o'brien is a great example of someone who got fucked over but won in the long run

but yeah it's a balance. no moral purity necessary, depends on the situation

I just would never fuck over my friend who got me the job in the first place.

[knotty basin]

right i mean don’t be a total asshole just articulate that something came up and you can no longer take the role and they’ll find someone else. don’t think that even means fucking over your friend — things come up all the time in life that could interfere w your employment at a company that aren’t even career related issues

so if you wanted to protect your friend just lie and say you couldn’t relocate to the intended city after all or family issues or whatever

most people will be understanding and you won’t be burning bridges that way

of course it might put the company in a hard spot for a few weeks but they’ll weather it and if it’s much better for you financially or career growth wise then both parties are better off for you reneging

[slim lake]

yeah I guess that makes sense. I will obviously strongly consider it if it actually happens because it is fucking GOOGLE lol.

[knotty basin]

idk i guess just try and dissociate the concept of integrity from it, in my honest opinion it does both parties a disservice bc employment is a business transaction and it should be favorable for both parties and if it suddenly becomes unfavorable for one party then 🤷🏻‍♀️

and yeah ofc google

[tropic thorn]

Does anyone know if Twitch is still recruiting for their SWE I roles?

[knotty basin]

anecdotally i'm still in the recruiting pipeline but the posting i applied for has been taken down so idk

[tropic thorn]

Did you do the Codility?

[knotty basin]

yes

[tropic thorn]

did you hear back after?

[knotty basin]

yes i have a phone upcoming

[tropic thorn]

oh wow nice! how long did it take for them to get back to you?

[knotty basin]

a day or two i think

[tropic thorn]

I just submitted mine yesterday, but I saw it in my spam folder an it had been over a month since I got it, hope they'll still consider me

[knotty basin]

ah geez that's a real struggle

[tropic thorn]

when did you apply btw?

[knotty basin]

last month sometime lol can’t remember exactly when

[fiery otter]

@knotty basin

U take the twitch final@

?

[knotty basin]

no, have my phone thurs

[fiery otter]

Oooo gotcha

Twitch phone they asked me a medium

[knotty basin]

did you pass the phone? how was final?

[fiery otter]

Final next week for me

Amazon this week

Hoping to get one or the other

Actually I'm def hoping to get twitch if I'm being honest

[oblique bolt]

Sheesh flushing king swimming in interviews

hope you get an offer soon my dude

[knotty basin]

good luck man!!! you got this!!

[fiery otter]

Thank u

Arkanice

[knotty basin]

[stone monolith]

damn i keep turning down microsoft for an interview

am i stupid or dumb

[worthy spear]

both just go destroy them and spit in their face and get a nice high paying job with them 😤

[stone monolith]

I wanna get leveled up to a 60 tho

Does microsoft have a 1 year cliff?

[ocean venture]

Both, so tell them to head my way

Jk

[stone monolith]

bet

[proven fox]

People here who have no offers yet, are you guys still applying?

If yes, where?

[proven fox]

I gave the OA last week too, waiting

[hoary gull]

Dose anyone know if companies are still hiring for 2021 grads ?

[oblique bolt]

Yeah I think they still are

[ocean venture]

Not many tho

Amazon/AWS

[hoary gull]

@worthy spear Thanks for that

[hoary gull]

What would be good places to look for these jobs other than linkedIn ?

[feral tiger]

Anyone has a reading or article to learn about take home job assessments?

[woeful dew]

Amazon onsite is 3 technical or 2 technical + 1 behavioral?

[neon sorrel]

Fall 2021 grad apps usually come out July/august right

[rancid gull]

each is like 10-15 min behavioral and 30 min technical

[civic hill]

is it coding first or behavioral first?

[rancid gull]

depends on interviewer, for me 1 of them was technical then behavioral, the other 2 were reversed

[slate juniper]

any recruiters here? need some help on proportional sizing for base salary:signing bonus

would 75k base, 10k bonus, and 80k base, no bonus be "equivalent"? I know giving signing bonus is easier than bumping base salary but I'm just not sure by how much

feel free to ping

[woven quartz]

Also curious about that 🤔

[oblique bolt]

Yeah I think an AWS recruiter recently joined the server lol

[slim lake]

Rly? Lol

[oblique bolt]

Yeah lol

[oblique bolt]

https://careers.google.com/jobs/results/126930704056361670-software-engineer-early-career/?src=Online%2FLinkedIn%2Flinkedin_us&utm_campaign=contract&utm_medium=jobposting&utm_source=linkedin

Is this a new app?

Just saw it

[clear zenith]

opened in canada as well

[oblique bolt]

Jk this isn’t new grad rip

Says 1 year experience minimum

[clear zenith]

1 year internship ?

[worthy spear]

Did anyone got amazon 30 mins interview by directly applying to a university sde role, Without giving any assessments?

[oblique bolt]

I think everyone goes through the OA process

[plucky kiln]

woahh this is new

[oblique bolt]

Did you skip them?

You must be goated

[worthy spear]

Nope, I didn’t but some my friends got them

[oblique bolt]

Damn

I personally haven't heard of it but I'm not too surprised about it going directly to 30 minute interview

if they do ok in that interview, they're basically guaranteed offer

[worthy spear]

Yeah

[clear zenith]

dang its been more than a week i dont think im getting that amazon final

[oblique bolt]

[green jetty]

Is this for people graduated this year or who will be graduating next summer?

[oblique bolt]

I apologize, it's not for new grads unfortunately, it says they want sometime with 1-3 years of experience

[sonic pendant]

Bro, I am not even getting an OA for that position...it's been over a month..... ...

[tropic thorn]

nah It's 1 year full time

faang are pretty strict about experience reqs

I have 2.5 yrs internship exp and haven't gotten a callback for 1+ yr exp jobs

unless they specify internship exp ok in the posting

[proven fox]

its been 10 days since I gave OA

[oblique bolt]

Yeah you should be able to apy to multiple positions

[limber talon]

2022 new grad opened up? Link plz?

Tyty

[tropic thorn]

Just got Twitch phone screen lmao

let's gooooo

[knotty basin]

ayyyy let’s do this!

[limber talon]

did u apply if so did ur application go through or did u get error 500

[topaz jay]

Guys, I learnt react and rest api. Now I'm learning kafka.

What are the topics that I need to focus for backend developer

[elder kernel]

maybe you can pick a backend framework to learn

like node or spring

[elder kernel]

if you already learned react, then node may be easier for you

[plucky kiln]

Thank you!! I hope we all get OAs

[gritty tiger]

Has anyone interviewed with Lucid?

[uncut zenith]

are there companies accepting intern even if they graduated?

on OPT?

[woven quartz]

It's very rare you're gonna get rescinded from negotiating

Worst case is the company will just refuse to go higher

[willow flax]

anyone know if there's a similar one for interns?