2021_grads

[paper hinge]

yeah

[feral marten]

You can only use this command in #2021_grad_process or #2021_intern_process

[paper hinge]

Nah

no one wanna interview me

Bro i dont know why

I been grinding leet code but i aint had the chance

yeah but i got no response after referrals either

[atomic pivot]

really shitty practices on the company

did they reconsider you again

[paper hinge]

its F500

[paper hinge]

Yeah i foudn it under my pillow

nah it was in my spam folder actually

silly Google

Sike im still unemployed

edefics rescinded my offer

[sturdy mulch]

Tell me how i applied for new grad position with Amazon and they came back and said “After careful review, we have determined that you currently do not meet the criteria for Amazon's experienced professional opportunities.

Although we are unable to proceed with your application for this job, we encourage you to explore our student opportunities.” 🙃

[steep oriole]

If you've graduated more than 6 months ago it's possible that you got moved to an experienced position and then you got rejected 😬

[sturdy mulch]

Graduated in December 2020, but something like that could have happened. LOL 🥴

[late fossil]

anyone done amazon OA for SDE-1 pls dm

[limpid lichen]

any insight into Twitter OA?

is it Twitter tagged?

what should i expect

[raw belfry]

Anyone got anything about tsys?

[sturdy mulch]

Anyone get a random email from Goldman Sachs? Seems legit. I think I remember people saying their interview are hard af tho.

[trim marsh]

Anyone application status in amazon.jobs is in draft status and in university jobs its conpleted and still got OA?

[normal tide]

Yep. I have seen people getting it

[wild otter]

doing the Twitter tagged OA's in the discord and they're doable but I don't think I could do 4 in 60 min, does anyone else regret their language of choice with coding challenges? I wish I went with python instead of C++

[mystic mica]

don't think it matters, c++ is probably the best for hackerrank

on one question for roblox's OA, i wrote the same exact algo in python, java, and c++

and only c++ passed all test cases in time, python was like 8/14, java 12/14

so either roblox really wanted us to use c++ or hackerrank's judging times for python are kinda broken

[wild otter]

yeah, that is the nice thing about it. As a counterpoint though, for a plaid interview, a part of the problem was parsing json and while that would be super simple in javascript or possibly python as well that it ended up taking way more time to focus on that element of the problem which wasn't even the main question.
I'm sure that I don't know enough of the C++ stl to be talking on this, so maybe I should just shut it and study that some more

[mystic mica]

oh for sure

i wouldn't wanna parse json in anything other than python/js lol

[wild otter]

it was an awful interview lol, in retrospect I would have just attempted it in js but I was a little nervous and felt the most confident (in everything else) with c++

[red gorge]

Yo did anyone take the twitter oa yet

[late fossil]

which position ?

[ocean valve]

i need qs

i have qs about aamzon

what am i supposed to put here?

[cursive oasis]

^yea thats chill

[worthy spear]

Anyone have experience with Twitter behavioral round/questions? I'm in 2nd round for a position in infrastructure team( non SWE/SDE)

[azure gull]

We all do

[paper hinge]

@azure gull this u?

[atomic pivot]

teach me more

[random knot]

rust is cool

[azure gull]

I wish

[delicate tulip]

？？

[azure gull]

Oof

Big oof

[heavy hare]

Anyone here interviewed for the Google’s Android Team?

[hoary herald]

I'm currently at IBM and I got a FT return offer there, the team is pretty chill, I like my manager and the team, and I can probably pick what kind of work I do so I won't be stuck doing stuff I hate, and I hear they aren't going back full time to the office, but 3 days home and 2 days office. But I'm not 100% sure about the growth since they've been freezing raises/promotions for the last year (and maybe this one). I got an offer at Amazon for new grad which is obviously much more $$$ (the difference is about 50k) but I'm worried if I switch over to Amazon I'll be burning bridges, and I hear Amazon kicks people out pretty quickly and I'm not sure if I would meet their standards. Not really sure what to do, the pay difference is huge but I don't think I would ever be fired at IBM since I think I'm above most of my team, while at Amazon I think there is a chance that could happen. What would you guys do?

[quick panther]

need money? choose amazon. want to live your own life? pick ibm

[hoary herald]

I can't live my own life at Amazon? One thing I'm also thinking is, the starting salary of a SDE1 at Amazon is about the same as a manager at IBM, would a SDE1 at Amazon have less of a life than a manager at IBM?

[digital carbon]

Why would you be burning a bridge? Have you already accepted IBM and would have to renege? Imo career trajectory by joining Amazon will be like night and day difference compared to IBM. It'll be worth it in the long run.

Not even considering money btw

[west skiff]

Amazon > IBM, I wouldn’t even hesitate unless the location of the office has a play in personal life (family/friends).

[hoary herald]

Yeah I would have to renege

[digital carbon]

Aw rip

[hoary herald]

It's in Vancouver, and I want to live in Toronto, they told me I can't change locations prior to starting but I can apply for an internal transfer once I start. As of right now it's going to be Online until June 30 and then you have 90 days to come back to the office, some people are telling me they think it will be extended till January 2022 (in which case I can work virtually till like april)

[digital carbon]

You gotta do what's best for you I guess

And yea lol no way people are returning to the offices until fall

Unless Canada is fairing better than the US

[hoary herald]

Is it just a blanket thing across the entire company, or is it country by country?

We are actually doing MUCH worse than the US because we have 0 vaccine production and Pfzer just announced they are fucking us for the next month

[young silo]

According to plans ontario plans to have everyone vaccinated by early August but who knows

[hoary herald]

That was prior to Pfzer announcing they are fking us

[young silo]

Yeah so either way there's a high chance amazon won't need u in office till later that year

[hoary herald]

gettin 20% less this week, nothing next week, and then half of what we were supposed to for 2 week after that

So I'd say the August projection will be shifted to at least Sept

[young silo]

Yeah I can see it

[hoary herald]

If it got shifted to Jan, yeah I'd feel a lot safer about picking Amazon for sure

I tend to be extreamly negative so I'm always thinking worst case, I'm going to get a shit manager, going to have to move to vancouver in sept, etc

[digital carbon]

Oof unfortunate

On the bright side, probably won't have to go into the office for a long time

[hoary herald]

probably

[rocky zinc]

Guys, how hard is full time search? Anyone got a good role with no internships or maybe one irrelevant internship? Lemme know just so that I'm a little relieved.

[hoary herald]

Make sure you have really good projects, because I'm not going to lie, I know people without exp and it's brutal out there. If you are graduating soon make sure you take advantage of new grad positions, they are easier to get than normal positions and are your best shot for getting a job after graduating

[fleet turret]

anyone take the expedia OA?

[limpid lichen]

i did some time ago

2 easy lc

and like 10 technical questions about algo

ds

etc

abcd

[slim lake]

Is there a way to contact them

[stuck hull]

does anyone have any idea how much benchling or anduril pay for new grad?

[red gorge]

Twitter is really just trying to ignore the fact that we lost 2020 🤫🤫

[fresh cloud]

It really is so rude... that they actually emailed us that they would respond to us in x amount of days and did not. I would have been okay if they just never contacted me in the first place 🤣

[atomic pivot]

quite difficult I'd say but not impossible. someone from my school did alot of open source and research and landed a new grad offer 2 years ago. This year is exceptional in that new grad/entry-level jobs were much more limited than say internships so it was overall challenging to get an offer with or without prior experience.

[atomic pivot]

I agree. Take advantage of new grad listings and pump out strong projects as much as you can. I also know someone that has no prev experience and it's tough rn, but with grit and work you can usually make something work in the end.

[granite flax]

I think if u have nothing and just mediocre projects u can literally go down fortune 500 list mass apply and get something in 6 months. Not even do a drop of LC either

Call me cap master 5000 but i believe it

[atomic pivot]

but I would imagine applying to more tech-focused companies would be harder

[dapper dock]

Cap master 5000 in these times lol

[wind acorn]

@hoary herald in 5 years which decision would you likely regret more? reneging on IBM or passing up a FT offer on Amazon?

[granite flax]

Yes, this is true

[digital carbon]

I'm curious what people consider to be strong projects. I guess mainly projects that are technically difficult, but perhaps also projects that have thousands of real users would be impressive? Open source contributions are also super cool, idk if recruiters really understand that though lol.

[digital carbon]

Nah u right those companies tend to care more about behaviorals than technicals

[granite flax]

Soft skills hard carry u at new grad levels for low-mid tier fortune 500s

[atomic pivot]

Yes, users would be useful. I believe recruiters at top companies will know what open source contributions means

My friend contributed to NodeJS and I believe a FB recruiter found him thru that

[mystic mica]

This is so true

[digital carbon]

Back when I interviewed for optum's internship, it was literally only a 30-minute behavioral interview with like 3 or 4 people iirc.

[mystic mica]

Cus that’s like the entire interview for mid tier F500s

STAR behavioral

[granite flax]

And i dont wanna downplay the URM struggles (i am one) but it also gives u a ticket to conferences where 5% of the companies there are easy interview process (such as national labs and the aforemention f500s)

[digital carbon]

Ooh yea def like top company recruiters would understand. Not sure about F500 types tho

[granite flax]

It’s crazy like us in the know hold these contributors in high esteem. Rightftully so

I would gladly hire someone who’s a heavy contributor

[atomic pivot]

seriously. their code is vetted by so many people

[digital carbon]

It also takes a lot of soft skills and time

You can't just randomly contribute a bunch of code to something like NodeJS which is used by millions of people

Makes the contributions even more impressive

[dapper dock]

How do we contribute to open source projects like Node.js without getting lost at what we need to do. Like I see the issues and most of the time do not know where to start. Sometimes they might have a contributing documentation but it is vague for me to follow.

[mystic mica]

I find it helpful to read through the file layout of the whole repo

just so you have a beginning sense of what stuff contains what

most contributors don't even know every nook and cranny of the entire source code for large projects like node

[dapper dock]

Gaps in my education

[cyan juniper]

Does anyone know about Oracle OCI hiring freeze that’s going on now ? Any idea when it will end ?

[digital carbon]

Also if you wanna take it easy, you can start by just testing releases. That'll give you some time to understand the community and the priorities of the project. Then contributing could be considerably easier since you'd have more context and the support of others in the community.

[stuck hull]

Does anyone know the trading policies if you are employed at a firm like Citadel, Jane Street, Optiver, etc? Do you have to disclose all trades, even crypto?

[worthy spear]

there is a hiring freeze at OCI? Since when? Few of my friends interviewed in December/November 2020 and are joining in Feb

[jaunty meteor]

Absolutely! Hope it has nothing to do with test evaluation.

[flint halo]

did google ever open new grad

[raw belfry]

Not that I know of

[severe jay]

recently finished a final interview with a hedge fund, one of the higher level managers informed me that you can’t day trade because you have to submit documents for approval to buy and sell which can take a couple days to process

so I guess yeah you do have to disclose all trades 😬

[snow kayak]

when’s the right time to apply for new grad if graduating in fall 2021?

[flint halo]

the fall grads I know recruited on the spring grad timeline and just started in January instead, I’m not sure if companies will start hiring earlier

[snow kayak]

like january before graduating?

[flint halo]

they just graduated (December 2020), so they started this month

[atomic pivot]

you can apply during 2021 or 2022 cycle

[flint halo]

oh sorry my b i misunderstood the question

they started recruiting in July-August but there might be earlier recruiting that i'm not aware of

[granite flax]

i'm in same situation and have been told that graduating in the same academic year is the same cycle

so fall 2021 coincides with spring 2022 and recruitment cycle starts august-ish 2021 apparently

[atomic pivot]

you can do that. you can also apply for this current cycle and just ask for a later start date

its flexible by company

[granite flax]

but whoever said you can apply a fully cycle earlier might be right
still, fall august-dec recruiting is always a hot season for companies imo

[snow kayak]

just checking, thanks for answering! feeling like applying to all the new grad roles i see now but wasn’t sure if it’s appropriate

[granite flax]

in a way, i want to start applying in aug so i can hopefully have some time to relax after grad before work

like 2/3 months

[snow kayak]

Mastercard said it’s the same for their internships for the following year (august - nov) so they’ll have accurate headcount but like y’all said, other companies could be flexible.

[atomic pivot]

for reference, my friend just graduated but he landed a FT offer last recruiting cycle

[atomic pivot]

still wild to think we have to recruit and get offers so early lol

[granite flax]

6 months before a job starts sounds reasonable to me tbh

anything earlier feels so weird

[atomic pivot]

well alot of people get their offers like Nov or early and start like like august/sept

[delicate tulip]

It's so hard to get a ft job. I feel like you guys are all much better than me.

😫

From timeline management to open source contribution

[atomic pivot]

nah dont worry about that. just keep at it

[clever granite]

OCI always has hiring freezes. Then when it gets lifted they go out and overhire because hiring managers / recruiters are in a rush to get their people in before the next freeze, which leads to another hiring freeze. No idea about when it gets lifted but my friend at OCI to move quickly if you have a process there because of this.

told me to*

[digital carbon]

Idk about trading firms specifically, but at Bloomberg we're supposed to disclose our trading accounts and there are a couple rules:

1. No selling at a gain in under 30 days
2. No trading derivatives (options, futures, etc)
3. No short selling
4. No using non-public information or client data to make trading decisions

[mystic mica]

isn't 4 just insider trading lmao

[severe jay]

Yeah I forgot to add they said no shorting for me as well

[digital carbon]

Yes it is lmao

But like specifically we also have access to news before it gets published and have access to client data (so we technically know what other firms are trading), which is a little more specific than just insider trading I guess

[limber talon]

Has anyone interviewed with Accenture?

[mystic mica]

ohh damn

[radiant shore]

Has anyone interviewed with Accenture?
@limber talon please dodge that buet

Bullet*

[limber talon]

How come?

[limber talon]

Is it that tough?

[visual lagoon]

@limber talon http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=reddit+cscareerquestions+accenture

[limber talon]

Damn thanks a lot

I had recently applied for summer security intern position but they rejected me so the recruiter said I would be a good fit for FT for a Software eng role but I would be interviewed in Fall god bless y’all showed me this

Thanks @visual lagoon @radiant shore

[fleet turret]

has anyone heard back from bank of america?

[radiant shore]

My friend interned at accenture. Hes now jobless.

Macdonalds would give more resume value

[atomic pivot]

what

[arctic drift]

I highly doubt Accenture is the reason he’s jobless

[iron gate]

Anyone know if Microsoft is still interviewing?

[tired bay]

Yeah it’s just because you have potential access to so much information they ban a lot of things to mitigate risk of insider trading happening like every day

[karmic jolt]

you're lucky it's only derivatives, at GS the tech team can't trade anything except ETFs

lmao

[severe jay]

even with approval ?

that’s fucked

[snow kayak]

monthly reminder to leverage linkedin and tech twitter if you aren’t already

[karmic jolt]

@severe jay yeah no exceptions to that even w/ the pure eng org. I think it's just their lazy block to make sure that there's no chance private data is accessed and a scandal happens

[snow kayak]

yes, why wouldn’t it be?

sharing your achievements and your challenges is one efficient way to get people on your radar

you can dm people, engage in threads, share resources or your projects/work.

[quiet pulsar]

You can dm senior programmers in big tech company. That's a huge advantage already

[limpid lichen]

what actually is it?

[quiet pulsar]

Start twitter, follow tech people

[ocean valve]

this industry is actually so retarded

i wish so many people didnt want to do programming so i could just quietly get a decent fucking job

than have to solve stupid programming puzzles and waste my time prepping for them

[stable plume]

tbf there are tons of 80k/yr jobs out there that don't require leetcode, I interned at a national lab for 2 years and they were totes willing to hire me fulltime at that salary and there was no leetcode involved, even for completely new hire swes

the jobs that pay 120k+ probably require leetcode since they'll be in tech hubs that copy each other's processes

[atomic pivot]

yeah. I was just gonna say that not every SWE job is like that. it's an unfortunate consequence of not having a standardized way to screen candidates. clearly its not going away just yet as many many top companies are able to engineer and produce despite asking these puzzles.

[covert prawn]

this is one of the few industries where merit matters lol. stop crying about the tests, it's fantastic

[stable plume]

Yeah most jobs do not require a skills test, it is usually just questions gauging your knowledge and interests so those who are smooth talkers can get jobs a lot easier

[covert prawn]

other jobs like law/finance is where people jerk each off depending on whether they went to a ivy

[atomic pivot]

as intern/new grad, I see the justification. it gets a little weird when you start asking senior or higher level positions a LC question lol

[stable plume]

I will say tho that I do worry about my future, I am FT a Google and I worry that eventually I will become busy with home life and won't be able to switch companies due to lack of time for leetcode prep

[atomic pivot]

I mean how much more do you need to prep if you cleared google

[stable plume]

Like eventually I want a family and to use my freetime not programming

Umm for me leetcode flies out of my brain

I also did only around 60 questions and review CTCI (so paper study for those ones), sys design is supposed to be harder

[atomic pivot]

I think interviewing people and keeping that in the back of your head if you wanna transition is prob the best plan

[stable plume]

I also got lucky and got questions in areas I studied... also I interned and only had to do two

[atomic pivot]

like if you wanna transition, think about it about 6 months before or something and then plan for it

[covert prawn]

if you need to switch then you can grind for a month to get in shape

[stable plume]

I sorta stumbled my way on in here and I'm not entirely certain I'll be able to clear other companies without significant prep time... yeah just eventually I'd like to be able to opt out of spending my time doing this stuff

[covert prawn]

well you don't have much to worry about. there's no pip culture like amazon

[stable plume]

It's easy to grind as new grad but what if I have a kid

[covert prawn]

you can easily get over a million net worth by 30 with little effort at goog

[stable plume]

Oh true facts but I honestly feel guilty because I did not do the get a bunch of job offers thing so I haven't been maximizing my pay and I wonder if I should try the bouncing between companies thing

[atomic pivot]

you can just interview and get a counter offer from google

[mystic mica]

You can appreciate merit and also not like leetcode

They’re not mutually exclusive

[stable plume]

I love programming I just get heavy interview nerves at leetcode problems, I did Stripe process and it was lit fam

Actually fun skills tests

[atomic pivot]

yeah i heard they're good processes

but to get an interview is well..really difficult

[mystic mica]

They say they want to see your problem solving skills but if you haven’t seen the problem before, more often than not, you’re going to be passed over in favor of someone who has

There’s hardly anything meritocratic about that

[stable plume]

I actually dropped out of their interview pipeline due to burnout and I kinda regret

[covert prawn]

@mystic mica I do agree that you need to see the problem (or a variant) before to have a good chance of passing. Esp due to the high pressure during the interview.

[stable plume]

Yeah it is cool in that way, just when I'm senior and rusty the newer people will destroy me

Kinda not great from a WLB perspective and sort of biases against older folk

[mystic mica]

I’m not doubting some of the benefits of LC but i just don’t think it’s beneficial to tell people who don’t like it to stop complaining, cus it has its valid downsides ya know

[atomic pivot]

again I think its fine for newer people and people from diff backgrounds

its just strange to use it for a senior position

[covert prawn]

@mystic mica But it's still way more meritocratic than other fields. Where things like looks/where you went to college/etc are just the deciding factors

[mystic mica]

Yeah I can’t argue with this lol

Can’t imagine doing recruiting for finance t b h

[stable plume]

Yeah but it's only meritocratic in terms of who uses their free time studying which tbh is kind of baking in some hardcore biases

If companies want true diversity they should shift senior interviews at least to what was accomplished during work time

[covert prawn]

some people are very good at marketing what they "accomplished" during work. You're testing for their marketing skills at that point

[mystic mica]

The whole thing builds on top of one another. It’s like the SATs all over again. You had to have already been able to afford to use free time studying instead of working, and the more internships you get the more likely you make it past resume screens, which are just as much of a filter as the LC round(s)

[stable plume]

I say this cuz I was able to attend hackathons and build a portfolio but my family members who are attending school all have serious responsibilities that prevent them from being able to do that (fulltime jobs, kids, etc)

I don't think it works well at the senior level tbh and I do think it probably contributes to some negative trends in who stays in tech long term / builds their wealth by being able to job hop

I mean even me I would be at an advantage as I could likely afford good daycare to job prep

Compared to another person who has serious daytime commitments

I'm almost 26 so eventually I will be on the other side of the coin (older, have family, need stability)

[mystic mica]

The thing is LC originally in theory is designed to be agnostic to that, because it was supposed to just test your pure problem solving skills, it wasn’t ever supposed to turn into something you had to waste time on to “grind”, but as with all things people game it and try to min max it, and as @sinful meadow mentioned, the questions end up getting harder to reflect the raising bar

[stable plume]

Honestly I liked Stripe pipeline but I don't think it would scale well

[mystic mica]

Leading people to grind more, etc.

[atomic pivot]

I mean I thikn that's why their resume screening is so tough

[stable plume]

So I get that companies are struggling to come up with a fair pipeline

[covert prawn]

companies like fb want grinders though. they link you to LC to prep and expect 2 solutions in a interview.

[atomic pivot]

I will never pass FB's interview

[stable plume]

Yeah even at Google I did a bunch of mock interviews and the interviewers explained what they're looking for and I was like... that's so intense and good problem solvers would likely get filtered out

[worthy spear]

From a company prospective making it harder for your employees to change job is good

Plus software engineer are just cog in a machine

[stable plume]

I got lucky in that one of my conversion interviews was super non LC and open ended and the interviewer was excited to hear my different attempts at his weird abstract problem lmao

[worthy spear]

Even if you earn 250k you mean nothing. There's a reason why higher level are only achieved internally

[stable plume]

Oh that's true I will prob stick with Google until I get a true itch to checkout another company... Pay is less important to me so I expect I'll be there for awhile

[covert prawn]

there's no reason to hop if you work at google. hopping for 300k when you make 250k won't bring much happiness lol

[worthy spear]

Also that

[stable plume]

Mostly I was thinking about it because Google is very non remote friendly and I want to settle down in the no name town I live in eventually

I didn't negotiate and am in a non premium region so it's less than 250k by a significant amount

But my cost of living is also turned down for what lol

[covert prawn]

i'm guessing you're an l3? you can easily get to 250 by staying for a few years

[stable plume]

Oh gotcha, yes an L3

I just graduated in December

and started earlier this month

Mainly my only gripe is that once I'm senior I wanna be able to relocate to a non tech hub

And Google is not open to that it seems - FB and others seem more doable

[snow kayak]

What does L3 mean?

[mystic mica]

return offer right?

[snow kayak]

Is there a L1/L2 then? lol

does anyone have experience with recruiting at Calm?

[flint barn]

I guess L2 is intern?

[quiet pulsar]

You mean working remotely?

[snow kayak]

that seems logical

[atomic pivot]

no I think L3 is still intern for some companies

L1/L2 is non SWE i think

but dont quote me I forget exactly

[fallen burrow]

what companies are actively recruiting for full time right now? any idea?

[quiet pulsar]

TikTok is aggresivelu recruiting right now

[mint pollen]

^

and amazon

[fresh cloud]

Tiktok oa sooo hardd

[heavy hare]

Yes it was the hardest I appeared for.

[wind acorn]

finance is def more elite school/connection focused than tech

their interviews are more behavioral and for many they already know whether they'll hire you before you even interview (because of your connections). for some positions the 'behavioral' portion is more like a formality rather than an actual interview

(btw this applies more to IB roles than like quant/trader ones)

[digital carbon]

Same for consulting. Have a friend at dartmouth who said if you're a white dude with a 3.8+ GPA at ivy league, you're basically set for consulting. The interviews are just a formality.

Which is super depressing ngl lol

As flawed as LC is, it's better than the alternatives

[atomic pivot]

what type of consulting? like at Deloitte?

[digital carbon]

I think so yea

[old trail]

MBB especially

[digital carbon]

He just says "consulting," idk if there are specifics kinds or anything

[atomic pivot]

I still dont know what consulting even means

out of college

[digital carbon]

Just means other people pay you to solve their problems

It's pretty open ended from what I understand

[atomic pivot]

I would understand if ur a consultant after a few years of working at something else

but like being a consultant straight out of college is like what are you consulting about lol

[digital carbon]

Ah yea I see what you mean

🤷‍♂️

[worthy spear]

Is becoming a consultant a good idea straight out of college?

[atomic pivot]

no idea lol

but yeah its very much based on ur school/connections

ik someone from usc that got an internship with minimal experience purely i think based on school name

[delicate tulip]

nuclear weapon experience

[fresh cloud]

Straight facts lol

[mystic mica]

Tell em you got a lot of nukes in mw2 multiplayer

[delicate tulip]

😂

[digital carbon]

In Soviet Russia, you don't launch missile, missile launch you.

[ocean valve]

no i will cry about it. because the tests are not testing anything lol.

i've completed difficult home works at school, i've studied a bunch of stuff about distributed systems and operating systems and machine learning and what not

but you choose to test me on finding the number of islands in a matrix, ok fine. i am ok with it.

but if i come up with a 70-80% accurate solution, that should be fine.

but its not fine because someone else has already done that question and memorized it

or wahtever

see, i honestly don't think that the majority of leetcode mediums are doable at first glance

esp in like 45 minutes

or 1 hour

there will be people that do better, but for the rest it seems like its mostly about knowing the question before hand

[mortal temple]

I'd disagree too

[covert prawn]

number of islands is basic stuff. i would agree if you said something like the skyline problem...

[ocean valve]

the number of islands was an example

[half walrus]

What would your ideal interview be then?

[ocean valve]

my ideal interview would be discussion of projects / maybe a short code-review with candidate / maybe show them some code and discuss correctness and style

i had an interview with a company who did a 1.5 hour code review for the technical round

on one of my past projects

i am okay with online assessments

because you need to filter a lot of candidates

or even take home auto-graded projects that you discuss in the technical interview after

i seriously do not see any point to solving puzzles in a technical round under an artificially created environment

[old trail]

How do you standardize that across different applicants and at a scale

[ocean valve]

yeah i'm not good at it, some people are, but that's really not how software engineering is.

[covert prawn]

well they need a way to filter people. places like google get millions of applicants

[old trail]

1000+ candidates will be interviewed

For big companies

[half walrus]

Even more problematic is the fact that many many people will do really well, how do you determine whether one candidate is better than another?

[ocean valve]

yeah well, to be honest, we perpetuate and encourage this kindof hiring practices

[covert prawn]

giving home assignments leads to rampant cheating also

[ocean valve]

you can easily evaluate which candidate is better or not be looking at projects

[patent cloak]

That’s not a very objective way to gauge an interview. Plus you’d be negatively impacting people who don’t have the free time to work on projects

[ocean valve]

i dont see anything wrong with that

[patent cloak]

Well yeah you don’t because you have the free time to work on projects

[ocean valve]

for experienced people you gauge them on experience

new grads do plenty of projects in school

[olive lily]

I think for bigger tech companies they prefer people who are proficient are coding but are also able to learn quickly

[patent cloak]

If we’re doing school projects, then every single student will have done like the same projects. It’s not that difficult to talk about a past project (for school projects where they’re pretty surface level), it’s not enough of a filter

[fresh cloud]

Nothing is worse than the industries where only connections get you shit 😭

[mystic mica]

My biggest gripe is that LC is that it's something that people are left to find out about for themselves

they don't realize how important it is until they start recruitment and get blindsided by these questions

it's not like standardized testing in HS where everyone knows it's important and to study for it

[patent cloak]

True, but it’s also not that difficult to Google what companies ask in SWE interviews. It would only make the arms race worse if at every freshman orientation they told kids to hop on leetcode you know

[mystic mica]

yeah that's valid

[olive lily]

I kind of feel like when looking at a problem for the first time - you are getting your problem solving ability tested with your understanding of cs fundamentals - a bit like standardized tests
beyond that it just feels like luck and if you have seen a similar problem before

I disagree with not telling people at every freshman orientation

I feel like that's the best way to level the playing field

[ocean valve]

i just feel like whatever you learn in school is worth jack for new grads because all they ask is leetcode

[olive lily]

Not really

[mystic mica]

95% of companies don't

[quiet pulsar]

They ask CS fundamentals

And depending on teams they ask a few field-specific questions as well

[mystic mica]

sometimes we get caught up and forget that LC is only required if you wanna join the faang rat race

[covert prawn]

Most companies ask very basic stuff. But yea ppl here are obsessed with ~20 companies that pay 150k+ for new grads.

[patent cloak]

What you learn in school is important. it’s just that if they asked what you learned in school, basically everyone would pass those interviews lol

[quiet pulsar]

LC is only for OA

I mean, during the onsite interview they only ask easy-medium level of LC questions

which are quite trivial to solve

[olive lily]

@patent cloak - I don't think that's true

[worthy spear]

design and implementations questions are pretty good someetimes

[olive lily]

But that's testing two different things

[quiet pulsar]

API design quiestions are quite common

[atomic pivot]

Idk about 20. I think a lot more than 20 can pay that range

[patent cloak]

@olive lily maybe I’m exaggerating a little. But I think these big companies just need some kind of filter and can’t ask what everyone learns in class

[olive lily]

LC - test more your problem solving ability and don't require you to understand concepts like semaphores

[old trail]

Your school projects barely mean anything when you reach the job, if you can learn fast they care more about that

These companies have huge code bases already

[quiet pulsar]

Not all big companies are only about LC

For example Apple interviews are very team-specific

[olive lily]

If they tested what you learned in school - they are testing for what knowledge you have - like can you do the job

with LC - they are trying to see if you are able to solve abstract problems, adapt, and hopefully learn quickly

the idea is that they can train you to do whatever because they can afford it

but - luck is always going to be a part of the process

[patent cloak]

Yeah that’s one of the biggest problems with LC interviews. But your luck does increase the more problems you solve lol

[olive lily]

yeah 100%

[quiet pulsar]

Dont spend too much time on LC though, I would say 100~200 problems are enough

[olive lily]

I think what I would say is that IQ + grit > experience - for LC interviews

yea that's true too

[quiet pulsar]

Well I saw someone solves a LC hard problem in 10 minutes without any previous experience about LC 🙂

IQ all the way..

[olive lily]

lmaooooooooooooo

their are always outliers

but you gotta do the best with what you got

[quiet pulsar]

Yup, definitely

[worthy spear]

Low-key thinking about going into that since I want a job 😂

[atomic pivot]

dont you already have an offer

[worthy spear]

@atomic pivot Yeah but ended up not taking it because of the location and what I'll be doing 🙃

Idk like I thought it was what I wanted to do but idk man 😢

[atomic pivot]

was it swe or something else?

we can dm if you're not comfortable

[wind acorn]

for you it might be trivial but for others not so much...

[tight ruin]

Ended up with a great job and none of the interviews were LC. It was like 7ish conversations total with various people I’d work with. They were literally just discussions, going over projects, discussing a system’s/feature design, walking through code together discussing various aspects of and ways to extend or change it (not LC problem), and getting to know/explaining thoughts and perspective on the industry, etc.

The other interviews places I had that included LC problems, the coding problems were definitely not the defining factors, more general discussion and interaction, and how problem solving was approached in general. I feel like this discord puts a ton more weight on LC than seems necessary

[granite flax]

In a hypothetical, toxic, and self important tier list of companies that cs majors aspire to where would you rank this company

Top tier, high, mid, low, bottom

[tight ruin]

This company might rank mid to low. Work environment, compensation for location, and benefits would be pretty high

But also at a top tier company that did have Lc in their interviews, that was not nearly the most important part of their process.

[granite flax]

Very solid of u to share this, i would be content with similar results

[snow kayak]

SiriusXM + Pandora Fullstack Apprenticeship https://www.onramp.io/ts/role/5fff36934646b33c661f3d83?ck_subscriber_id=1032455269&utm_source=convertkit&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Student Edition Issue %2310 - 5175779

[quiet pulsar]

Dude reversing a list or traversing a tree should be trivial for students who studied for 3 to 4 years..

[mystic mica]

nice edit delete :^)

[strange moth]

should be trivial after the first 2 lectures of a ds & algo class

[granite flax]

Ds&a should be trivial after first 2 days of college tbh

[steep oriole]

I thought we were supposed to know DS&A before our first day of college

[quiet pulsar]

Students should know DS anyways even if they don't take DS class if they spent their time for actual study and doing their own side project

[mystic mica]

livestream it on twitch and let us do it for you

twitch plays lc dp hard

[cunning forge]

this is straight up cap lol, at least for McKinsey, Bain, BCG, and even Oliver Wyman tier firms you def need to 1) network well with people at the firm so you don’t get cut at resume drop and 2) do well on the case interviews (which are consulting’s version of leetcode i guess, but a whole lot easier)

similarly for banking there’s a bunch of finance technicals you need to study on sth called the M&I guide but yea also a lot easier than getting good at lc

oop didn’t see how far up that message was, basically swe has the hardest technicals of any major industry, but you don’t need to do networking bs

[foggy blade]

Did anyone read or experience this?:

https://leetcode.com/discuss/interview-experience/1029309/rejectionus-amazon-automatically-sends-a-reject-after-oa3-for-new-grad-international-students

[digital carbon]

Ok sorry saying interviews are a formality was exaggeration on my part lol. The point stands for certain fields it's nearly impossible to get in without an elite background, whatever that means for each industry. So while interviewers are tougher for SWE roles, at least software companies are open to interviewing candidates across a wider range since the interview process is relatively standardized.

I do wish we had something better than LC, but it sure beats shit like brain teasers lol

[digital carbon]

Hasn't this been happening with non-internationals too? I know a few people on this server said they got perfect scores but still rejected

[mystic mica]

I only got 4/7 in OA1 but 100% on OA2, and I didn't pick any obviously stupid answers on OA3 and got rejected (not an international student)

I feel like in the past, 100% on OA2 would have been guaranteed at least an interview of some sort

[foggy blade]

ok, actually the purpose of me sharing it here was to know if ppl got rejects recently (international or domestic)...I wanted to know if its like another wave of mass rejects like in Sep last year.

[mystic mica]

and yeah I've seen people on this server mention they get perfect oa1/2 and got rejected

no way everyone's bombing the LPs on oa3

[foggy blade]

ok, so sorry to hear that. Could you please specify when did you attempt OAs?

[mystic mica]

I applied as soon as the app came out so I was part of the first batch of OAs that was sent out

Got the L on 9/11

[high thunder]

https://tenor.com/x7Iu.gif

[worthy cedar]

7/7 OA1 and 2/2 OA2 US citizen and also rejected w/o interview

it's definitely not only internationals

[west skiff]

my international buddy got all OAs 100% and was rejected lol

amazon hiring is wack

[worthy cedar]

i got interview for internship last yr with no prep on OA3 and 6/7 on OA1 and did a few hrs of prep for OA3 this time to be certain i'd pass and still got no interview so

it's whack this year for sure, and not only for internationals

[mystic mica]

i swear it has to be some sick joke, no way everyone who got perfect oa1/2 somehow bombed LPs on oa3

[wild otter]

i bet the rates of applications are ridiculously high and so they're scooping up the best resumes of everyone who does decently well on the OA's. Also not sure what is even the right answer on OA3 but I haven't changed since I applied to the internship and got a final compared to now and didn't.

[hoary herald]

Maybe they are assuming most people are cheating since OA1 and OA2 are fully online and put more weight on resume/OA3

But at the end of the day that's just speculation no one knows how amazon decides to pick people, they could be putting peoples names on jellybeans and picking them out of a jar for all we know

[flint barn]

International grad here. Gave OA3 on 5th. Have not heard back yet. Ghosted lmao.

[hoary herald]

if your dashboard doesn't say "No longer under consideration" you might still be in the running, might be on a waitlist pending people rejecting or failing interviews

[flint barn]

yeah its under review

WTH are they reviewing for so long

[digital carbon]

Yea I'd just chalk it up to big company hiring being inconsistent + obviously higher supply of talent because of the pandemic situation

[hoary herald]

You're might be backup, or they fucked up something

[hoary herald]

Yeah, these companies are being hammered harder than ever because of lack of hiring in many companies laster year, I wouldn't be surprised if they got 2-4x more apps

[hoary herald]

I'd email them about it, I would have done it after 1 week, much less 3

[slim lake]

Anyone done the Roblox OA?

[royal moon]

I’d take it

[sturdy mulch]

Ya, I got hit up by an Apply recruiter for my resume, then straight ghosted. Same thing from Uber too. 0_o

[limber talon]

uh i might need one for the future if i apply

im saying April 2022 lol tho so idk how active you will be then

[iron sorrel]

@limber talon pm me whenever then

[atomic pivot]

might not need it rn but is it possible for me to hit you up later?

[limpid lichen]

5th of what?

cause i did OA in Oct and still "under consideration"

[hoary herald]

There's people who get the interview or OA months later, it's pretty weird

[flint barn]

This month

[flint barn]

Yeah I did, they said that application are reviewed on rolling basis.
Like wtf, people after me got interviews

[hoary herald]

I dunno what it's based on, I know a guy who also applied virtually same time as me, same school, only diff between us is I have more industry EXP, his exp is from smaller companies. I got an OA about a month after applying, he still hasn't gotten one

[half walrus]

The only logical reasoning that I can think for this, is that the recruiters at Amazon are not standardized at all. Seems like the laxness of recruiters is highly variable

[jovial hedge]

Anyone seen this before?

[limpid lichen]

XD

[jovial hedge]

Oh NVM they sent an email about it

[tight ruin]

Or perhaps they use some sort of priority queue of some kind for each role and folks of “higher priority” keep applying before they get through enough people to make it to the lower priority level.

[mystic mica]

[iron sorrel]

@mystic mica 😂idk what that means

Ok I think I am at my capacity for referrals good luck to everyone

[digital carbon]

@iron sorrel do you earn a bonus if someone you refer gets hired

[mystic mica]

It just meant I’d be interested LOL

But if you’re at capacity nbd

[quaint bobcat]

@everyone Can anyone share their experience about VISA Sr. Software Engineer interview rounds?

[sturdy mulch]

Anyone have any success getting interview looking at jobs through https://angel.co ?

[limber talon]

I have applied to multiple positions but no interviews

[olive lily]

yea super easy to get "a job" - super tough to get a job you probably want lmao

start-ups that want you want to work for free tend not to be picky

[zenith marten]

So today I had my on-site interview with a small startup. The interviewer comes in 8 minutes late and says, “unfortunately this role is closed. Do you have any questions before we end the call?”

[limpid lichen]

i applied there to find an internship

out of 20-30 responses everyone wanted me to work for free

[sturdy mulch]

Damn, I was hoping it would be more promising.

[limpid lichen]

well, maybe its because all the companies that would pay, didnt want me

but you can see that a lot of companies are quite open about "free internships"

or have salary like

40k

and then they say its in indian rupee

[mint storm]

Hey did you give EAB online assessment, can you please share your experiences

[fossil crown]

Got rejected from a company in september, but just had a recruiter from the same company reach out to me... Anyone else experience this

[kindred jetty]

has anyone applied to codesignal?

[dapper vale]

dang that's a rip, was this orchard

[sturdy mulch]

Got email about a Goldman Sachs coderpad interview, would that be considered an OA?

[mystic mica]

coderpad is live coding with an interviewer, pretty sure it's a technical round

[wooden tangle]

what company?

[atomic pivot]

are there any unicorns still hiring

im a unicorn simp now

[fresh cloud]

Orchard sux 😂

[sturdy mulch]

What makes a company a unicorn?

[last linden]

i had my onsite with orchard a couple weeks ago

whole way thru i was like "wheres the diversity"

[granite flax]

damn

but realtalk like you mean diversity with people you interacted or did u also check on linkedin and blogs/website or whatever

[last linden]

linkedin

i actually did the linkedin search before the interview

and was hoping something would be different during the interviews

but nah

[vapid river]

I had an asian girl and indian guy interview me for orchard

[granite flax]

Yeah i’ve done linkedin searches for companies too, when it’s not diverse it does stand out

[leaden venture]

Has anyone interviewed with Walmart for TPM?

[dapper vale]

thanks orchard

[worthy spear]

got fucked over as well

[sturdy raft]

could you please tell the job id for the position you applied for ?

[sturdy mulch]

DM’d

[worthy spear]

what are some good questions to ask the interviewer?

[olive lily]

so it depends a bit on the company - like for newer company asking about their culture can show that you care about the company - whereas somewhere like Amazon it kinda feels like they want you to have the LP memorized by the interview lmao

But, generally I usually ask something the lines of
First 90 days what is expected of me? - show them that you want to hit the ground running
What traits do you think your best hire have in common? - show them you arn't just trying to get the job - you are trying to stand out - you wanna go above and beyond
After hiring someone how would you know you made the correct decision? What traits would you judge them on? What things would they have accomplished? - same as above lmao

OR as someone working in the company what's something you absolutely love about your job and something you wish could change ?

that's like if the person in also an engineer and you kind want to get an inside perceptive on the job - and sometimes they will try to convince you why the job awesome - which has usually worked out for me lmao

[rocky moon]

very helpful thank u !!!!

saving these for future reference

[worthy spear]

thank you! @olive lily

[olive lily]

glad I could help!

[grand tangle]

Me

[whole yoke]

Hello everyone, so in the hr round, if the hr asks if we have another competing offer or not, should we mention it? Is there like a hard rule like "don't mention the other offer until you get the current company gives you an offer" or mention the offer but not the details? I'm really confused about this ..

[runic dragon]

In my case, mentioning another offer has always been neutral or positive (they sped up the process for me or it didn't change much). At 1 occasion, they were ok with increasing the salary, but they ended up choosing someone else.

Thing is that my "case" is only made of 2 internships and less than 15 applications total.

So, other answers might be more helpful...

[whole yoke]

For bloomberg, from my experience, I suggest you do not mention offers until they give you an offer unless you have a hard deadline coming up. I don't think mentioning offers in that stage has any positive impact.

If others have any other thoughts, please share...

[sturdy mulch]

I know its common but rejections without an OA suck. Mainly for the reasons previously mentioned about OA's in general. I just want the chance to show you what I got then you can reject me.

https://giphy.com/gifs/yx400dIdkwWdsCgWYp

^ me to Plaid recruiting team rn

[limpid lichen]

guys, i need your advice

i got BB system design

I can either do it in 1-2 weeks

or in a month

ive never done system design

but obviously i want to prepare well

do you think i would be disadvantaged if i schedule it quite late?

[half walrus]

Is this for new grad? Also is this part of the onsite or is a totally separate interview?

[limpid lichen]

uk goes like this:

1. screen
2. DS & algo
3. design
4. HR

and im gonna have design

new grad

[half walrus]

oh damn u in uk

[unkempt echo]

well general rule of thumb always best to do sooner

its just a matter of how much prep you feel like you need relative to the advantages you lose from doing it early

[limpid lichen]

lets say that i dont even know what system design is

i think its fair to schedule it for 20-24.02

instead of 08-10.02

[unkempt echo]

if you feel like you need the time then go for it

imo system design is not something you need to prep as hard as LC

[steep oriole]

My understanding is that bb is hiring all year around, and sys design prep is actually a hefty chunk of work. I'd say give yourself a few extra days to prepare.

[wooden vapor]

who are you referring to ❤️

[limpid lichen]

is this troll

[hoary herald]

who cares

[modern storm]

okay ik you mentioned "new grad" referrals. But do you also do any interns by any chance?

[iron sorrel]

My bad Apple

[iron sorrel]

Yea

[mystic mica]

What exactly is the role?

[modern storm]

[wooden vapor]

Ah I've got OA for Apple this week

[iron sorrel]

Any position you see that is of interest

[mystic mica]

Oh nvm it’s general referrals

Gotcha!

[wooden vapor]

Are you able to answer a few q's about apple's interview process?

[hoary herald]

how do we know that you are an apple

[patent trail]

What do people do in the leftover time after they are done with discussing their OA2 answers on Amazon's final meme round?

[hoary herald]

Ask some questions about amazon (nothing too specific because they are just random SDE's and know nothing about what team you'll be on) and they go over onboarding

[mystic mica]

Well they might ask you behavioral questions based on LP

Or you could have time to ask questions that you have

[hoary herald]

I haven't heard of anyone asked behavioural question on the meme round, have you?

[mystic mica]

well it's always good to be prepared, i've heard of people telling others to prepare for it

[iron sorrel]

Umm well I’m not really trying to prove anything just help people out. You can believe or not. Either way I’m ok

[hoary herald]

you seem like a good apple

[slim lake]

Roblox sent me a mail saying I'm going to get a test from hackerrank, but Hackerrank never sent the test -.-

[mystic mica]

email the recruiter, that happened to me and they resent it

[slim lake]

Hmm there doesn't seem to be a recruiter shown on the linkedin post, nor did I get an email from a real person @mystic mica

[wary basin]

just gave amazon OA2. passed all test cases for 1st question and 0 test cases for the 2nd question. Got OA3 in 15 min after giving OA2. Is there a chance that I'll still get an interview? Or get rejected after OA3?

[hoary herald]

I only passed 2 test cases on the 2nd question and I got the 30m interview

[wary basin]

I see you. Fingers crossed!

[hoary herald]

I think they put a lot more weight on other stuff, OA1 and OA2 don't seem to be that big of a factor, plenty of people got perfect on those with no offer

[olive lily]

check your spam email, also try to email the support team - you could try https://www.roblox.com/support - and see if they can direct you to someone who might be able to help

[mystic mica]

look into the reply-to: field

[slim lake]

gh-mail.roblox.com?

[raw belfry]

Where are the new grad openings for appke

apple*

cant find any on the website

[mystic mica]

they hire on a per team basis, there's no single new grad pipeline that everyone gets put through

although there are some positions that seem to be generic

[raw belfry]

Ah, and how do you access those teams?

[raw belfry]

What might they be? I cant really find any

[mystic mica]

?

just go on the website

search "software engineer grad"

one of the positions that comes up was a generic one

[raw belfry]

NAh..does not work that way

I tried writing software engineer new grad, it kept giving me roles which needed exp

[mystic mica]

uhh ok, well it worked for me so

i was just telling you what i did verbatim

[raw belfry]

And this is like rn?

[mystic mica]

..yes

[raw belfry]

hmmm...how many openings do you see there?

[mystic mica]

bruh you literally just need to search

and start going through what comes up

[raw belfry]

Gotcha

Thanks

[native saffron]

Anyone knows about when HR will come back to you if you pass Bloomberg's 2 rounds coding?

[mint pollen]

lmfao

[pastel condor]

Has anyone interviewed with Credit Suisse for the Technology Analyst position in last December?

[lethal sluice]

Is it possible to ask Amazon for a location after they send you the offer?

I live in Toronto, and I specified a preference for Toronto, but Amazon for some reason decided to put me in Vancouver

[mint pollen]

well it was a 'preference'

and they preferred u elsewhere

u can try emailing sp

assuming this was a new grad position

[lethal sluice]

yea, this was new grad

[steep oriole]

Like 5-10 minutes after your technical rounds.

[native saffron]

Okay, I heard about many different situations on this. Somebody heard back in 2 hours. Someone heard back in 2 days with email to schedule the next 2 rounds. Thank you!

[steep oriole]

Ah I see... Well good luck!

[hoary herald]

I tried, and you can try to ask them, but they just told me to screw off and accept my location

I know 2-3 people on here who got Toronto but wanted Vancouver too, but at the end of the day... B U S I N E S S N E E D S

[lethal sluice]

damn

what happened to the frugality of amazon's leadership principles

[hoary herald]

well, if those people want to move to vancouver and we want to move to toronto, maybe after 6 months or so we can apply to switch

[ember berry]

Yoo anyone here done the SAP brilliant hire assessment?

[severe jay]

whoever got apple OA’s did you guys apply to the general entry level posting or specific teams directly ?

[fresh cloud]

How long does Amazon's new grad hiring last for? Like, when do you estimate they'll run out of spots?

People are still getting OAs right?

[worthy spear]

To people who had the Bloomberg phone: How long did you wait to hear back?

[dapper vale]

got rejection after around a week

[last linden]

amazon recruiter reached out on handshake to apply for new grad after i got rejected haha

[visual lagoon]

^

[mystic mica]

Do you think we could ask them if we can reapply to the same position after 3 months

[native saffron]

Cooldown for same position is 6 months in Amazon

[mystic mica]

oh, i was talking if they got rejected from the OA

afaik there's no explicit cooldown after that but you still can't apply to the same position again and idk how long that lasts

[wanton hound]

@mystic mica they told me to wait and apply for the 21/22 opening

[mystic mica]

lol rip

[wanton hound]

I dont think we can apply to the same one again

[mystic mica]

cus i'm pretty sure i got resume rejected after the OA but then I got a new internship so I really wanna try again with a fancy new resume

oh well

[wanton hound]

You can apply for generic SDE ones if you would like

[mystic mica]

yeah ik

i've applied to a ton with referrals but

they reject so fast LOL

[wanton hound]

Damn

I am gonna try and see lol

[short finch]

What's the email ID from which they give Amazon OAs? Or is there any other way to reach out to HR? Waiting for OA1 since August

[delicate tulip]

Have you seen a recruiter ask you for ur leetcode profile url and global ranking ?

lol it happened yesterday on me and after that he give me an interview

[delicate tulip]

Me too. I think normal referrals don't count so much unless the person can refer you directly to the hiring manager instead of asking you to apply via official website.

[remote kayak]

can they see what problems youve done from your profile? Maybe they wanna make sure to ask you something you havent seen.

[delicate tulip]

No, I think they can't. They just want to use it as a filter I think.

but they must found I haven't practiced for a week on leetcode.

[fresh cloud]

Which company? And i don't think they can see the problems you did except for the most recent ones

[mystic mica]

hit 'em with lee215's profile

[astral summit]

So did Bank Of America say fuck everybody or did they say fuck me specifically?

[fleet turret]

anyone interview with expedia? what the hiring process like?

[spring verge]

@fleet turret coding challenge, recruiting call, onsite which is 3 interviews. A behavioral, a technical, and a design

[snow kayak]

https://boards.greenhouse.io/peloton/jobs/2610524

[raw belfry]

I do not feel that there is any use reaching out to recruiters for new grad roles. They are mostly looking to connect with ppl who are 2+ experienced professionals. Agreed?

[dry mural]

nah

depends on your resume

[raw belfry]

Can you elaborate?

[dry mural]

some ppl got nice internships

recruiters like those LOL

[steep oriole]

2-3 days for me

[gentle quiver]

has anyone done deloitte's software dev coding interview?

all of this is done in one hour, so I have no idea what kind of questions these are going to be

[iron gate]

i did it for their solutions engineer role

the coding questions weren't hard at all i feel

[proper wolf]

has anyone here taken cisco oa 2021? how long does it take for them to get back after taking the OA?

[foggy blade]

Forever !!!

[proper wolf]

you haven't heard back from them yet? lol

[foggy blade]

Yeah, I attempted OA sometime in Sep and have received only two mails after that - in Nov and Jan - both asking me if I am still available for the role. I have responded with a Yes, but nothing after that.

[gentle quiver]

what were they like? and how did you present your solutions?

[iron gate]

i don't remember, but they were about LC easy from when i took them

the only tricky part is they didn't give test cases so you just had to make sure your solution is efficient

[proper wolf]

yep. it was all leetcode easy i think

[foggy blade]

anyone interviewed for Cisco?

New grad?

[gentle quiver]

Do you remember how the interview was done? IIRC it's a video interview, so did you just explain your algorithm out loud?

[red gorge]

Did anyone hear back from Twitter after the OA yet?

[iron gate]

I applied for Solutions Engineering, which might be different than what you'll be interviewing for. My interview was really easy, basically just talking about coursework/projects and then a case study interview about how you would implement and deploy a technical project

No whiteboarding stuff

[gentle quiver]

I see

[snow kayak]

https://earlycareer.splashthat.com/

[iron gate]

huh

i wonder if there’s a difference applying to this one and the new grad role

as in applying as an incoming college grad

[rain flax]

hello may I have some advice

these are all hypothetical

if I were to get a full time return offer from company A, but their deadline is before two internships at other companies B and C, what would you do?

A pays most sign on bonus, B is meh but C can change a lot if negotiated

[wind acorn]

one in the hand beats two in the bush?

[rain flax]

is it okay to renege later?

[wind acorn]

or you could renege but you would be burning bridges

[rain flax]

these are p big companies

Yeah

Ugh

[wind acorn]

also wait what do you mean like

the deadline for company A is like months before B and C?

[rain flax]

Yeah

months :((

[wind acorn]

ah yeah

that's your only choice really

[rain flax]

A deadline is like 1 week into B’s internship

dang

They suck

[wind acorn]

you could ask for more time maybe? your school might have certain deadlines for companies but they can't really help you much tbh esp if it's not a company at their career fair

[rain flax]

sigh yeah I don’t think my school has anything for winter interns :((

But I will ask

[wind acorn]

i think some schools have "return offer policies" for all internships

as in, companies can't set a deadline for a return offer before X day

for mine it applied to all internships (off season too)

[rain flax]

Gotcha

Okay I’ll ask career people at my school

[worthy spear]

Eh blacklists aren’t really a thing and if the company has one it’s probably only for junior roles

Renege if the offer is clearly better

[rain flax]

okay cool

people are telling me that but idk i'm just scared

also some people are saying it depends on how you word it

[chrome sage]

Does anyone had amazon's team specific interview process and not new grad for SDE 1? Dm me

[atomic pivot]

did twitter really ghost again

[karmic gulch]

anyone got a mail from microsoft today asking to schedule a coding interview with codility?

(tag me if you did cus i really dont check this server)

[paper hinge]

dont be scared of getting an offer letter

I will die then go to heaven if i get an offer letter from any company

Lucky

:(((

[wary basin]

How long does it take to hear from Amazon after giving OA3?

[dreamy violet]

what are typically the 'rules' for a take home coding assignment?

[barren wadi]

I got within a day from the time I finished the assessment 3.

[slim lake]

Anyone taken Expedia OA? What's it like?

[foggy blade]

How were your OA1 and OA2?

[mystic mica]

Has anyone gotten system design for their bloomberg round? If so, could someone tell/DM me what it was like? Not asking for anything too specific. I'm not interviewing for them but I might get asked SD in my final round for another place, so I'm wondering what kind of things to expect for a new grad system design question

[patent trail]

It depends on whether it's high level or low level design.
High level: Design some part of a service, like sending out notifications to a million users.
Low level: Design classes and functions for an elevator service.

[mystic mica]

I'm okay with classes and functions I think, it's mainly high-level that spook me

[proper wolf]

Anyone take the Visa OA? Is it all leetcode questions and how was it?

[slim lake]

Are you applying for London

[mystic mica]

I said I’m not interviewing for them

[slim lake]

Oh my bad

[mystic mica]

Just wanted to find out what kind of high level stuff they ask since I might be asked system design for another company. And BB is like the only place that seems to ask it to new grads

[steep oriole]

I studied for sys design a little bit for my bb interview 2 days ago. Fortunately enough, they didn't ask me any sys design. I can send you the pdf I studied from if you want.

[fossil forge]

has anyone reneged amazon? do they actually contact career center?

[fresh cloud]

Unless you applied through your university, probably not?

[fresh cloud]

Could i get the pdf? Thank you!

[fresh cloud]

Amazon has a crazy ton of applicants to choose from. Doesnt seem like it would align with their "saving resources" LP to waste time contacting career centers lol.

[fossil forge]

yeah but ive heard from some ppl who have reneged that they respond back saying they'll notify ur school's career center. this doesnt rlly impact my decision but curious if they actually do

[split notch]

I took Amazon OA recently, I'm not sure if I got the Leadership questions right. Anyone wants to discuss?

[mystic mica]

Sure! Thanks so much

[mystic mica]

that only happens if you used your school's career center to apply for/get the offer in the first place. there are agreements in the terms and conditions when you use handshake/etc. that if you renege an offer you could face consequences including having access to your school's career center services revoked, etc.

if you applied on your own externally I don't think they would go that far

[flint halo]

I did sys design for two companies and they could more accurately be described as object-oriented design with a brief bit of “how would you scale this”

[woeful dew]

Any tips for Amazon OA?

[cyan juniper]

Any tips/suggestions for a beginner on how to prepare for system design and OOD interviews ?

[tight ruin]

I had three system design interviews for new grad roles. One was basic db and interface design.

The other two were what I’d call data analysis system designs.
What data set(s) would you use to find out X,Y, and Z. What methods would you use to do that under these constraints? How would you use that to decide these parameters for the system? How would you estimate effectiveness of these parameters? How could you optimize the system based on that? How would you simulate the system? Etc.

somewhere between the “high” and “low” level

[earnest thunder]

Has anyone done the Datavant virtual onsite?

[sinful raft]

does anyone have their amazon interview today ?

[fresh cloud]

Which company was this?

[tight ruin]

three companies

[zenith marten]

Has anyone here heard back from Apple SWE roles? I applied back in September

[tight ruin]

epic, best buy, and hr t. epic doesn't call theirs system design though. It's how would you make this thing for a "case study". Their case study was the more "normal" system design, but way less in depth than a lot of system design resources I've seen.

[limber talon]

Same here applied back in September apparently you get a email if a team at apple likes your resume

[rustic ruin]

anyone here get a data scientist offer from c3 ai?

[wooden vapor]

Is it frowned upon to contact the recruiter who is in the reply-to email to a hacker rank invite, to just query what they would be focusing on within the hackerrank test?

[tight ruin]

don't most hacker ranks not start until you click start, which comes after a little summary page?

[wooden vapor]

I haven't ever done a HR sent by a company to be honest

I'm confused if I press this, it's go time haha

[atomic pivot]

nah you need to hit start on the actual hackerrank site

[worthy spear]

boy am I glad I didn’t take my Robinhood FT offer

[limpid lichen]

Anyone has a list of Palantir tagged?

[royal moon]

rip at their chance to IPO lol

[visual lagoon]

apparently Amazon opened additional roles for 2021 FT SDE

I was rejected after OA round earlier and just got an email saying they are opening up more spaces and that I'm invited to the final interviews

anyone else?

[wanton hound]

@visual lagoon you did the new grad one?

[visual lagoon]

yes

lol I was rejected on September last year and they are giving me false hope again

[wanton hound]

Damn but they want to interview right?

[visual lagoon]

yeah, the email said they will send me another email to schedule the interviews

[wanton hound]

Is it gonna be one round lol

[visual lagoon]

idk. "... schedule a round of final interviews"

[wanton hound]

Ahh I see did you receive the mail just now?

Good luck! I guess you are the chosen one

[visual lagoon]

thanks, I'm glad but also so tired already for preparing another big interview

[wanton hound]

I'll pray you get the 1 round one

[visual lagoon]

I kinda half bombed OA2 tho lol

but 1 is better than 3

[wanton hound]

Well you never with Amazon

Its kinda cool that they gave you another chance

[visual lagoon]

yeah it was very unexpected

[fresh cloud]

Amazon is the saviour for new grads this year. Let's hope they have a shit ton of spots for everyone 😊

[mystic mica]

wait no way

[mystic mica]

i got rejected on 9/11 rip after taking the first wave

can you show what the email looks like? if you don't mind

[visual lagoon]

y no trust me 😢

but dmed you

btw I got rejected on the same day too lol

[winged kelp]

I also got a similar email

[wanton hound]

@winged kelp Did you do yours in September too?

[winged kelp]

don't remember... it was a long time ago

[visual lagoon]

rip it's three interviews

[fresh cloud]

What date?

[candid torrent]

Anyone applied through referral and got OA today?

Or recently

[limber talon]

for?

[candid torrent]

New grad SDE

[limber talon]

oh no not me

I didnt even apply for FT lol

i was just wondering what company u were talking about

[candid torrent]

Sry forgot to mention.

Anyone applied through referral and got OA today for Amazon?

[limber talon]

if I am grad april 2022 when would be a good time to apply for Amazon FT?

September 2021?

[wanton hound]

Yeah apply as soon as you can cause it might take months for them to get back to you

[mystic mica]

FT app usually opens in august fyi

[visual lagoon]

gave me days between Jan 28 and Feb 26

[limber talon]

oh shit thanks any specific date?

[mystic mica]

2021 new grad app opened on july 31 2020

but i'm sure it changes a bit every year

[sturdy raft]

Did anyone interview for Viasat new grad role?

[fresh cloud]

What location?

[sand vale]

Any1 here interviewing for Tiktok new grad positions?

[visual lagoon]

location for what?

[zenith marten]

As a new grad, do you guys also apply to jobs that are 'entry level' (i.e require 1-3 years of work experience)? Or do you only apply to jobs specifically labeled 'new grad'?

[fresh cloud]

Are you in the US or Canada? Because my recruiter said they only had interview times after March 1

[visual lagoon]

US

[fresh cloud]

Oh. Thats weird then lol

Me too

[olive lily]

entry level as well

[foggy blade]

Hey, congratulations...did you get rejected after OA3 in September?
All the best for interviews.

[visual lagoon]

yes

[visual lagoon]

What's good for you? up to you. What's good for the company? up to them, but usually around June-Sept, and could be anywhere really.

[sand vale]

I meant if any1 who passed Tiktok's hackerrank assessment for new grad positions and currently doing their coding interviews, I have a few questions.

[manic trail]

@sand vale did u get interview from tiktok after OA?

[sand vale]

yea

[grand tangle]

Anyone interviewed with Apple for Software Design Engineer position?

[foggy blade]

could you please share the link to the post?

[quiet forge]

Anyone here interviewing for Twitter new grad swe positions?

[wooden vapor]

UK or US?

[quiet forge]

US

[candid torrent]

Anyone interviewed for Tiktok ML engineer USA?

[iron gate]

uh oh

[fresh cloud]

Lol same

Just got the same notif. I do not expect good news...

I already applied for two roles previously because they said thar that was the max. But i never heard back after i submitted my OA, so maybe i can apply again?

OH shit got the twitter OA!

[atomic pivot]

grats!

[sacred tide]

I am interviewing for ML Engineer position. Has anyone interviewed who could provide me advice for prep??

[sacred tide]

Will be ..

[sand vale]

Is it for a new grad position?

[limpid lichen]

can somebody share PLTR tagged?

[burnt karma]

how's the Blackrock OA for new grad analyst program? The software engineering full time

[short finch]

I think it was 3 questions to be done in Java/C++. But they didn't even email me my reject. Atleast other companies emailed me to say they don't want me

[burnt karma]

awe that sucks. 😦 sorry to hear that - I hate being antsy about rejects..it's always better to hear back. Were they difficult questions?

[short finch]

Not that difficult

[foggy blade]

but only Java or C++?

[fresh cloud]

How are they just sending out OAs? I thought their app closed back in Oct 2020?

[burnt karma]

as far as I know, they are rolling applications. I applied two days back and received the OA immediately 🙂

[stark forge]

how long did it take for bloomberg to reach out to after you applied ?

[normal cradle]

Anyone heard back from Amazon after final interview this week i.e 01/25-01/29?

[ornate charm]

Hey guys, does anyone know the interview process for pure storage?

[burnt karma]

same question - PureStorage software engineering new grad OA..can anyone pls give some info? 🙂

[cobalt cliff]

Can they ask LP based questions in Amazon 30 min interview?

[shell storm]

I don't think so

[fiery python]

I think thats the main focus since there wont be any coding

Better check out https://discord.gg/gJtWgbKe

[fleet turret]

bump, anyone know how hard the PureStorage software engineering new grad OA is?

[steep oriole]

A couple of weeks

[steep oriole]

We're all waiting for that one person to take the OA first 😂

[foggy blade]

hey, could you please share the application link?

[fresh cloud]

I think rolling is only for Europe... at least that's what it said on the website

[foggy blade]

ok, cool. Thanks.

[fresh cloud]

You can double check though. But i only see an app link for Europe.. :(

[foggy blade]

Yeah, I checked it and saw the application deadline was Sep 30, but still thought and hoped that their website isn't updated and that you have some link to apply.

[whole yoke]

Hey, so I have a full time job that's gonna start in Feb but I was wondering if we can still apply for new grad roles if we have less than a year of experience in total after we begin working in our full time job

asking mainly for facebook and a few other companies like citadel, jane street etc ^

[mystic mica]

itr's generally within a year of your graduation date

[whole yoke]

ahh.. so I can still apply for these roles! cool! The journey continues

[mystic mica]

just saw your message on the other server lol

i'm in a similiar situation, got rejected from the 2021 position back in september

so now I'm wondering if I can re-apply to the same position in march

[whole yoke]

ohh haha

I think you can definitely apply.. just make a new resume or update your old one

[mystic mica]

since I got a new internship and my resume is way better

yeah but generally like

even if the cooldown is only 6 months

idk if the actual position itself will be available for us

because if you try and apply won't it just say "you have already applied to this position"?

unless it unblocks for us after 6 months

[whole yoke]

No... The job id is different so I think it won't be a problem for you

[mystic mica]

wait wdym

how would the job id change?

[whole yoke]

Did you also get a reject after the manager round?

[mystic mica]

ohh

no like

i got resume rejected..

[whole yoke]

I want to apply right now so bad

I aced my technical questions

[mystic mica]

ohhhhh

hmm

damn

ok

[foggy blade]

which company are you guys talking about that opened a new position?

[subtle helm]

Have you guys found any companies with easier interview processes?

[rose zodiac]

Amazon has more than 100 other jobs with title software development Engineer I or something else for new grads, you can find those positions and apply to them. Interviews are a little tougher but you get directly matched to the team.

[mystic mica]

yeah ik

we were just talking about any specific position in general

bb, not amazon

[woeful dew]

If you got resume rejected the 6 month cooldown period doesn't apply to you

[quick bay]

Netflix doesn't hire Newgrads or rarely? bc i saw a newgrad who just got hired by them on LinkedIn

[mystic mica]

they do have internships now, maybe a return offer?

but the internships are brand new this season, so idk

[quick bay]

they dont have netflix internship exp

[mystic mica]

ok damn that's weird

[quick bay]

maybe dude just goat

it says bachelors in bio

i think he has two bachelors

nvm yall i lied he was a netflix intern

this past year

mb

[whole yoke]

yeah Netflix does have internships - there was a google form for them

But you need a referral or inside word from someone who works for them for your chances to be high

[quick bay]

Honestly I hear the least buzz from Netflix out of almost all places. It is like no one works there

[whole yoke]

Guys, off topic, but what's the easiest company with an office in New York to crack as a software engineer? Tell me the ones other than Amazon, FB, G, Bloomberg

[whole yoke]

Yeah lol. they're exclusive and hard to get into and take people with 4+ YOE

I think Netflix has the best engineering level out of all companies out there ...

[quick bay]

You think that will change now that they have the internship?

[whole yoke]

their engineering is SOLID

[whole yoke]

nope

They want people who have experience with large scale systems and who love systems design

[quick bay]

interesting

[whole yoke]

People who have read DDIA cover to cover tons of times

People who solve "Design Uber" or "Design Facebook Timeline" in their free time to get a kick out of it

[quick bay]

lmao

[whole yoke]

People who love engineering large systems. Not LC code monkeys who know how to find LCA of a binary tree

[rapid parrot]

Lol

[whole yoke]

You need to love systems design. Like really love it to reach that level of maybe E5/L5

they can detect if you're an LC code monkey easily

[quick bay]

wait so you are telling me that is not the skill companies want 😰

[whole yoke]

lol. I don't think 99% of engineers use the logic to Find the LCA of a binary tree in their daily lives

Some freakin idiot at Google said - "Lets ask people coding questions to recruit" and then all companies followed suit

[quick bay]

lmaooo

[rapid parrot]

Yeah, by this they only test our basics

[real walrus]

i think its the most efficient way of filtering out candidates

[whole yoke]

Honestly, look at Chamath

[real walrus]

As the interviewer its so much easier to evaluate people based on LC

[quick bay]

Chamath will be my governor

[whole yoke]

Do you think Chamath knows how to find the right and left siblings given parent pointers only?

He was a top guy at Facebook

Growth@Facebook

[rapid parrot]

True, just go and check "Invert a binary tree" on leetcode...😂🤣

[whole yoke]

I freaking hate LC

I mean Chamath must be freakin laughing his ass off rejecting engineering who can't solve " Alien Dictionary"

[quick bay]

are you all new grads?

[whole yoke]

I think most people here are

[mystic mica]

most ppl here are in school

new grads/interns

[whole yoke]

in this channel

[mystic mica]

o in this channel yeah mostly new grads

[whole yoke]

yeah they guy who wrote brew

[quick bay]

ah i merely stopped by to ask my Netflix question, i thought yall would be the most informed

[whole yoke]

lol

[rapid parrot]

Yup🤣😂

[whole yoke]

See dude, Netflix recruiter spend their time on Linkedin trying to find ROCKSTAR engineers

ROCKSTAR engineers

[mystic mica]

there's another server who might know more

https://discord.gg/rV6wMMuT

tons more experienced ppl there

[quick bay]

so work for rockstar 😎

[whole yoke]

Like they'll come to you if they see you've got the experience

[mystic mica]

i've seen someone who works for netflix on there I think

[whole yoke]

Join Blind

Although life becomes a race after then and all you think about is TC once you join Blind.

[icy hare]

man i uninstalled blind after trying it out last summer, its a total shithole

[whole yoke]

not being a good engineer

[icy hare]

the people there are not normal

[whole yoke]

I SWEAR!!!!!

[mystic mica]

lol

[whole yoke]

I COMPLETELY AGREE!

[mystic mica]

you're not supposed to take the shitposting seriously

[whole yoke]

thank you for this

[mystic mica]

the point of it is that anonymity means you get shitposts but also genuine real answers

[whole yoke]

haha...

[whole yoke]

true

[hallow wyvern]

are yall applying through linkedin or on the company websites when finding open apps on linkedin

[whole yoke]

is there a place where we can search for jobs by location other than linkedin jobs?

[foggy blade]

I can't agree more...

[worthy cedar]

is it okay to negotiate a current pending offer with an already accepted offer? and what if they bring up offer deadline/when you got the offer?

[patent cloak]

@worthy cedar yeah I think it’s okay. Might be a little unethical to lie about the deadline but I mean you have the offer so you should be able to negotiate with it

[gleaming sigil]

Job offer signed on December.. recruiter has setup a quick call regarding update on offer next week....r they goin to say sumthing negative.. wat update shd I expect

[solar tulip]

Maybe location? If the company is switching to a remote-only model...

[flint barn]

Or maybe reducing the salary?

[fleet turret]

if someone got resume rejected by bloomberg, do they still have to wait 6 months?

[verbal flame]

@fleet turret I dont think so... I think they just posted a new job for new grads.