2021_grads

[ocean geode]

ibm can smd

[autumn lynx]

most companies can smd

[half walrus]

Are the questions on OA's typically harder than those during phone/onsite interviews? Or does it depend by company?

[cursive loom]

depends on company

but usually OA questions are easier than the phone/onsite rounds

[rocky spoke]

i disagree, i find OA questions harder

Because they usually have pre-defined test cases and TLEs

Obviously it's dependent from OA to OA

[unkempt echo]

trading OA questions are generally harder than the later rounds

[arctic drift]

I think most OAs have been harder than phones/onsites for me

[grave gull]

not nuro 😦

[wind acorn]

doordash be hitting me with the "hey you're invited to the fireside chat w/ director of engineering"

then at the bottom

"Please note: This event is intended for informational purposes; our New Grad and Intern SWE roles are closed for the season."

[dry walrus]

Haa anybody completed coding challenge at Everlaw lately?

[mellow vault]

I KNOW RIGHT

[rancid whale]

hey guys, any tips to practice for OOP design problems? I will interview with Amazon for SDE new grad and I heard they could ask OOP. I only practiced on LeetCode so far (no OOP) so I need to catch up

[patent trail]

Yes. They ask you to build something in 3 hours. They have a prompt of what to build.

[short topaz]

Thanks

[granite pewter]

educative.io

[stark otter]

^

[azure gull]

What’s the longest you guys have had to wait after the final round interview to get an offer?

[cursive loom]

2wk

[granite flax]

4 week

[cursive loom]

6wk

[granite flax]

Applied freshman year hs, got callback sophomore yr of college...6 yrs

[cursive loom]

7yr

[granite flax]

Damn chik fil a really did that to you huh

[cursive loom]

im accept offer at chikfila

tyvm

[granite flax]

They ghosted me. Musta been cuz i applied on a sunday. Understandable

[gleaming sigil]

How good/bad is to take devops role as a new grad?

[harsh loom]

If you like devops I'd say that's pretty good

[severe jay]

sitting at 5 weeks for roblox , know people that have been waiting for almost 2 months lmao

[azure gull]

Oh wow and here I am at 3 weeks already losing hope

[vapid river]

That's a good sign

Pray someone declines their offer

[remote kayak]

Does roblox have a phone interview before the final or is there just one round after the OA?

[ornate charm]

I reneged on Cisco a couple weeks back and haven’t heard any response or anything yet... I should just leave it as is right? Or should I send the email again lmfao

[digital carbon]

Devops is very much in demand and imo will continue to be with everything moving to the cloud. Just know that you probably won't be spending much time writing code or working on features.

[storm badge]

Smart move I'd say, they can mess up a lil front end but they can't mess up when it comes to availability. That is where the money dissolves the most per second(s) down

I am working on DevOps side rn, but it usually involves a CI/CD pipeline that you have to follow

[gleaming sigil]

So do u write scripts?

[storm badge]

It's a different world from purely full stack development for me

Yes I write C/Javascript/Java scripts

[granite flax]

dev ops is huge, someone i know is interviewing with amazon for devops role, they have a business technology BS degree or whatever (i think business technoogy management) and no real dev experience but they have some aws certs and cool projects

amazon told them they are in desperate need

[storm badge]

yes ^^^

[granite flax]

amazon verbatim told them "it's ok if you're not a pro, we will teach you"

[gleaming sigil]

So is the pay and growth same as that of swe?

[granite flax]

of course it's not but if you're making 6 figures at end of day in a few years who gives a damn lol

FIRE at 55 vs this discord's ideal 45 or whatever

[storm badge]

well devops is just like another SWE role, it's just more specific

Sometimes they're disguised as Back-end Software Engineers

It's different for every company but yeah

[digital carbon]

Devops pays less? That's news to me lol

[gleaming sigil]

I read devops are paid more

[rich flame]

ya but theyre on call

and stressed out a shit more

[granite flax]

I would assume it follows the rule of specialization where the more u specialize the more it pays? But as a trend i still think swe on average pays more. Dont quote me

code silverback > dev ops silverback > code monkey > devops monkey

[digital carbon]

Oof yea on call sucks

But aren't most swe at tech companies on call anyways

[wind acorn]

yeah usually most teams have oncall rotations

but if you're doing infra work you're more likely to be paged at 2AM than someone on an internal tooling team

[granite flax]

I’d be down for 1 wk out of month on call if everything else about job is cool

[digital carbon]

True true

[wind acorn]

omg imagine the people that will get paged on xmas day this year

[digital carbon]

Inb4 aws goes down... again

[granite flax]

We have it good, imagine being a physician

Goodbye family time

[mild sparrow]

anyone done groupon phone for ios?

[wind acorn]

family med seems to have pretty chill lives

[granite flax]

Yeah some specialties do as well

[subtle helm]

You could ask them how best to prepare for it

Also, maybe other people on here can tell you if they've interviewed with that company before

In that case, you should prepare for behavioral questions definitely. You should review the STAR technique and all that

If it's non LC technical interview, I'm assuming that means they're going to be asking you about CS concepts

Zillow isn't hiring new grads, right?

No problem!

Ah that's what I've seen too

I feel like I'm running out of large companies to apply to lol

[dreamy ore]

"entry level" helps to get foot in the door

[mystic mica]

Hey guys, sort of in a jiffy here. So I applied for TikTok's 2021 New Grad roles when they opened, and I got a recruiter screening instead of an OA.

When I asked about it, the recruiter told me "because you graduated in May 2020, not December 2020 or onwards, we're having you do the regular loop of 4 rounds: 3 technical and 1 hiring manager (which could be more LC or System Design)". For reference, the New Grad loop that everyone is getting after the OA is 3 rounds: 2 technical, 1 behavioral.

Recruiter tried to justify it by saying "oh they're not that different, at least you didn't have to take the OA" (which admittedly is a valid point). But after hearing about everyone getting LC hards for their 2 New Grad rounds, 4 rounds seems pretty rough, not to mention the other people they're interviewing for the position will be other SDE1/equivalents, not really other new grads. Is it reasonable to try and like....ask for the New Grad loop?

[old trail]

sounds like you're prob in the interview loop for 2-1 instead of 1-2, so you'll be getting a bigger offer if you do get it in the end

it doesn't hurt to ask if you still want to go through the new grad loop though

[languid orbit]

^

[old trail]

https://reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/itqq04/_/g5gbe3p/?context=1

[mystic mica]

Hmm....valid points. I low key did ask the recruiter if it was possible and she kind of brushed that aside and didn't really say yes, I'd still like to ask again but I'd need a compelling reason, but I can't just say "I don't feel like I have a chance" lol. Just feels weird that I'm basically a new grad but they still shoved me into the 2-1 loop

[spring verge]

has anyone tried calling their recruiter lmao? I'm talking about the business number in their email signature that some of them have. I've been going back and forth with a recruiter for a month now and we've made 0 progress, and now they're just not responding to me anymore, not sure how to proceed

[mental frigate]

@spring verge is this roblox?

[spring verge]

no, it's the company that I interned for. I didn't get a return offer initially because there was no room but then they reached back out saying there's a spot open but we've made no progress towards next steps

[old trail]

Also most of the people who have had final rounds as new grads for tiktok have had LC questions asked as well. I'm pretty sure they don't actually do full behavioral final rounds. So either way sounds like you're going to have to do 3 LC rounds at least either way

[mystic mica]

So you had to do 3 LC rounds?

[old trail]

My last round is next week, but other people I've talked to (3 ppl)

[mystic mica]

Hmm interesting..alright.

cus my friend's initial email from the recruiter laid out the process for NG and it explicitly said 2 LC 1 behavioral but maybe they're not consistent

[old trail]

Yea my email said that too

[mystic mica]

rip

[digital ridge]

Can I ask what role this is? In my first email, it was mentioned to expect 3 technical interviews.

[old trail]

new grad tiktok product, this was in the email of my interview confirmation of my final round:
"The focus will be behavior, the hiring manager may also ask a coding question as well."

[digital ridge]

Oh, thanks! I am interviewing for new grad - full stack and the email had:
"Please expect a total of 3 rounds of live coding technical interviews."

[mystic mica]

interesting..guess they're being inconsistent

[patent trail]

Yes. I did not have any behavioural round.
3 rounds of LC.

[fleet turret]

anyone know what the cooldown period for bloomberg or imc trading is?

[mystic mica]

6 months for bb I believe

[fleet turret]

would they know if we used a different email lol

[mystic mica]

i've heard of someone using a different email and getting it again, but you'd have to reword a lot of fields in your application and use a diff phone # too

but if they find out then you're sorta screwed I think so..it's risky

[vapid river]

If u didnt get past resume screening, u cud prob try a different acc

If u did a LC round, prob gotta wair

Wait

[fresh orbit]

Is there a specific role newgrad software engineers are supposed to apply to on salesforce? Anyone got the link?

[full shore]

they dont hire new grads since they are mostly filled by returning interns

[fresh orbit]

Ahhhhh, thank you. So should I just search roles that might be a nice fit?

[orchid glacier]

Opinions: Amazon or OCI?

[echo cedar]

If I did not have an HR round right after my 2 onsite interviews for Bloomberg is it considered a reject?

[alpine hill]

Depends on what team imo

[elder kernel]

How long does it take to get the hr and hm round after 2 coding rounds for Bloomberg?

[atomic badge]

@elder kernel was same day for me

[elder kernel]

Okay, I haven't received anything since my coding interviews yesterday, so I prob get rejected.

[granite pewter]

Do we need Work Experience to apply for Devops roles?

[atomic badge]

@elder kernel would suggest waiting..it's Dec plus they are prob overloaded with interviews, etc

[granite pewter]

Solutions Engineer

Do we need Work Experience to apply for Devops roles?

[fleet turret]

anyone get a response from Bank of America Global Technology Analyst Full Time 2021?

[worthy spear]

Anyone heard of vertafore and have some insights about the company?

[long drum]

Anyone interviewed with Intuit for final round??

[floral spear]

I have same question

[tired bay]

OCI offers been looking pretty nice tbh

[floral spear]

Amazon is famous on PIP corporate culture. Do we need to worry something similar in OCI?

[tired bay]

I don’t believe so I think question becomes do you see yourself potentially hopping or wanting stability OCI probs more stable long term but probs better career growth at Amazon

[floral spear]

thx

[atomic badge]

Anyone who's had an interview with apple for fte? Pls message! Had a couple of doubts and need your help!

[digital carbon]

Isn't there some difference between OCI and Oracle in general

I heard OCI in particular has a bit more internal competition compared to Oracle as a whole

I could be wrong tho

[tired bay]

I mean would make sense OCI probs makes all their money

[digital carbon]

Right

OCI is regardless probably more stable than Amazon

[orchid glacier]

Does anyone know why Amazon would have better career growth than OCI?

[earnest dove]

Faster pace, more ownership. If you play the politics game well enough, you can get promoted in a year or 2.

[subtle helm]

That feeling when you did poorly on a LC easy

[mild sparrow]

has anyone done the visa OA for new grad yet?

[visual lagoon]

how long did it take you to get OA from them?

[fleet turret]

anyone get mastercard OA?

[mild sparrow]

I applied on Nov 25 and got the OA yesterday

[visual lagoon]

o thanks

[worthy spear]

Has anyone applied to full-time positions outside of the U.S.?

[night aspen]

What's a good and recommended resource to learn data structs and algos?

[subtle helm]

Cracking the Coding Interview is a book that's brought up a lot

[subtle helm]

If you're looking for a shorter resource on typical patterns in technical interviews, you could try Grokking the Coding Interview

[cloud grove]

If a company asks for interview availability time immediately after you finish an OA what time period is too late?

Like 1 month after?

[night aspen]

@subtle helm thanks. Do you know of a good online course that teaches DS and algos?

[spiral glade]

no

[spiral glade]

would suggest to schedule it at the earliest
because the headcount might not be there after

esp now that the hiring is gonna slow down with the holidays approaching. or you can have it early jan ig

[subtle helm]

No problem. Grokking the coding interview is basically an online course I think

Where are you guys looking for job postings besides LinkedIn and indeed?

[remote kayak]

Tell me if you need more

[leaden mica]

hey all, ive been applying to new grad jobs and have been having a really tough time landing interviews, etc. (probably like a lot of other people in this discord). i was wondering if anyone had advice on different strategies to applying to jobs and places that are still hiring (especially going into the spring). appreciate any advice / guide. thx

[vapid river]

Exaggerate on ur resume as much as possible but within scope still if that makes sense. After that, just do blind 75 over and over again along with the top 30 lc for the respective company. That should be enough to pass any new grad interviews/oa

[leaden mica]

Thanks, my guy

[vapid river]

Yea u got this bro

[undone abyss]

anyone got tips for amazon oa2 especially that 10-20 assessment after the coding part?

[fast siren]

send ur resume to the resume channel. Get feedback. revise it. Also apply on LinkedIn. Set the posting date to 7 days

[burnt karma]

anyone given the OA hackerrank for IMC trading? what should I expect?

[severe jay]

it’s hard idr how many questions but they were all lc medium-hard

[cunning pelican]

I'm planning to graduate in June 2021. I'm getting straight rejections for new grad positions. Is it too early or I have bad resume? appreciate any advice / guide. thx

[unkempt echo]

Idk about your resume but it isn’t too early, recruiting for May/June 2021 grads started in July 2020 and will go till March/April 2021

[cunning pelican]

I dont find many opportunities for a new grad. Even on the cscareers.dev github page too.

[unkempt echo]

There’s like 100+ here https://github.com/pittcsc/NewGrad-2021 and prob 100+ more in the 2021 grad postings channel

And that doesn’t even include your local companies

A lot of these places are done hiring for now though, I expect another wave in January

[cunning pelican]

Thanks @unkempt echo . Yeah, Most of the job postings are expired in that link.

[twin belfry]

should I choose oci or aws

[unkempt echo]

aws

[digital carbon]

aws

[vocal carbon]

aws

[spiral glade]

Dw, you got this
There's time.
If you would like a resume review, feel free to dm

[cerulean pivot]

we echo whatever is posted in that repo 😜

that’s how the job postings work

[cunning forge]

wait i think oci why’s everyone saying aws

oci pays way more

and is more selective plus no pip

[visual beacon]

what is oci

i keep hearing that name around

[cunning forge]

oracle cloud infra

oracle sucks but OCI is great

[visual beacon]

ah i see

[devout bobcat]

Anyone know the process for twitter ng?

[atomic badge]

@devout bobcat phone screen + 3 onsite rounds

[old trail]

PIP is super overrated, it only happens if you perform below expectations

[cunning forge]

yeah well oci still pays like 40k more

[worthy spear]

anyone know what new grad offer comp is like for hybrid trader at belvedere?

[twin belfry]

ok aws was more selective in my experience

but yes OCI pays more

however, the brand name

also idk if the FAANG hype is worth it or not

i dont think I should be concerned with pay right now as a new grad

[rich drift]

working at OCI is enough brand name to get interviews anywhere for your next job

[twin belfry]

you think so?

even if its not FAANG

I think its fine tbh but I just see all this shit on linkedin, blind, youtube, etc

like you dont seee people trying to sell courses on how to crack OCI

haha

one of my mentors is a senior PM at Youtube and he said that AWS is known for better code and such

idk what that even means bc he doesnt code hahaha

the oracle stock price is indeed increasing though

its TC 170ish in Austin... like ugh so hard to say no to

[dusky robin]

If you dont care about pay as a new grad, then I would definitely go with AWS over OCI

[ornate charm]

^^^^

[twin belfry]

ok

[ornate charm]

That moment when OCI resume rejects u

[twin belfry]

whaaa

how

[digital carbon]

yea aws is just more established and still the leading cloud services providers by far

at the moment, could obviously change in the future.

[ornate charm]

Idk how bc I got pulled by Microsoft doordash palantir etc

I guess OCI hates me

[autumn lynx]

Subtle flex

[atomic badge]

@twin belfry is 170k the first year TC (including sign on)?

[astral summit]

Has anyone heard from Johnson & Johnson? I applied like two months ago and the apps are still pending. Like if you think I'm trash just say that. Don't leave me in suspense. 😩

[mystic mica]

had a recruiter call from a start up and it was like
"tell me about yourself"
I tell them about myself
"ok! i'll pass on your info to the engineering team, oh by the way, I don't think we're looking for new grads right now, so I think there's likely no spots haha, anyways let me tell you more about our company for 15 minutes though cus I think it's pretty cool"

????? why even call me

[granite flax]

lol so dumb I got an email that said "hey, thanks for applying to x position; we generally make postings like these to gauge interest, not necessarily because the position is open; we fill these on a rolling basis, after all; the position is now closed"

[last linden]

?XD

[mystic mica]

and at one point they were like "yeah, for example one of our new grads interned at robinhood for 3 months and is now joining us, so we're looking for that haha, so the engineering team will probably pass up on you, anyways let me tell you even more about how amazing the product is" ....????

[digital carbon]

lmfaoo that's so dumb

[atomic badge]

OCI people is the new grad compensation negotiable? Asking for a friend. I applied to a specific team so dont have any idea abt this

[cerulean pivot]

we have a few entries in #new_grad_salary_sharing

that are fresh

[olive junco]

anyone in here a god? i need help pls

[atomic pivot]

define god

[granite flax]

lol bruh this is literally mt olympus, you are among gods

[olive junco]

you a god?

[granite flax]

no, i merely bask in their presence

a fallen god, if you will

[olive junco]

lmao

i need your assistance

can yuou look over some code?

[granite flax]

no

[olive junco]

kk

[granite flax]

sry my b, you're better off posting in #programming_help and just ask, lotta helpful folks

[olive junco]

thank you@

!

[balmy nest]

Hi All, I have Akuna capital final coming up for C++ Junior developer fulltime role, anyone who interviewed for akuna please ping me.

[cursive oasis]

use another machine^

might not give warnings but theyre always watching

[old trail]

Hacker ranks track tab usage I believe, so if you switch to a diff tab it’ll know

[mystic mica]

it says what you're allowed to google and not

so googling syntax and official documentation is fine I think

but i would honestly just keep another device on the side to be safe

[cursive oasis]

guys wat da hell we gon do now

feels like the postings have almost come to a stop

[visual lagoon]

TBH I'm not expecting to hear back from companies at least until Jan

[subtle helm]

Has anyone interviewed with Pure Storage before?

[mystic mica]

hiring grinds down to a halt during this time, a lot of big companies have a fresh wave of openings/postings/hirings in spring

[cursive oasis]

yea fairr

i graduated sep so i just hope the ones that come out in the spring wont be for like sep 2021

[mystic mica]

generally hiring for 2021 grads starts the summer before, in august, but even if you graduated

generally you can still apply to new grad roles up until a year after your graduation date

[visual lagoon]

You are still a "new grad" 6-12 months after your graduation (depends on companies)

[cursive oasis]

coolz

we will take the industry by storm

2021

[digital carbon]

+1, this is usually the case and now with the vaccine it might be an even bigger wave

because a lot of companies missed out on recruiting in the fall

[junior fossil]

intern? i interviewed last year

[subtle helm]

No, this is for New Grad haha. What was your interview like?

[junior fossil]

oh i’m in the 2021 grads channel lmaoo

my b

yea it was kinda weird. heavily focused on concurrency

and i didn’t have much concurrency exp/knowledge at the time

like during the interview expected me to know how to use concurrency for a made up coding problem

so not like leetcode style stuff

[subtle helm]

No worries

[subtle helm]

That's interesting. I've read some stuff online that has mentioned concurrency as well. It's strange they wouldn't ask leetcode haha

[junior fossil]

yea it went pretty bad from my side, i think the interviewer wanted to get more deeper into the concurrency problem but I didn’t have experience using locks back then so he had to end up explaining that to me during the interview

felt like i was in lecture tbh

but if you understand/have used concurrency and threads you should be fine

[vapid river]

I had a follow up question for LRU cache about how to implement concurrency. Was for a faang company

[subtle helm]

Hmm I see. I'll make sure to study up on concurrency and threads! Thanks

[quick lodge]

did they expect you to code it up or just explain your thought process?

[vapid river]

Thought process, luckily I learned about semaphore a few days before so I just explained that and he seemed impressed

[mystic mica]

slept through my semaphore section of OS class and yolo'd the question about it on the final

i should probably relearn it

seems like the bar only gets higher every year

[keen onyx]

Is Uber hiring New Grads this season?

[cerulean pivot]

na

[subtle helm]

Which companies do you guys expect will have hiring cycles in January?

[quick lodge]

stupid q but is oci pay for new grads higher than rest of the orgs at oracle or is it consistent?

[wind acorn]

heard FB/G might have spots

but likely to see reduced headcount :/

[woven tinsel]

I applied for the NSA as a joke kinda not expecting to hear anything back

and i got a interview lol

[languid orbit]

lmaoo

[fleet turret]

is OCI still accepting apps, if so where?

[uneven pasture]

i got into their co-op program but they rejected me because of a security clearance

i had traveled too much/went back to china and shit, so they couldnt get a clearance within like a few months lmao

[buoyant nexus]

if you've got an offer without any prior internship experience, which company gave you the offer?

im curious as to how important internships are

[spiral bramble]

wondering the same thing tbh ^

[digital carbon]

A lot of the people I know got their initial internship at small local companies, myself included

[languid orbit]

^ same

[storm badge]

Anyone did AWS Solutions Architect interview?

Plz dm 💓

[buoyant nexus]

thanks for the responses

[hybrid plover]

Would appreciate if anyone can share Verizon media onsite experience.

[arctic drift]

bloomberg/roblox both gave me offers

[gleaming sigil]

Is this for new grad

[near finch]

Has anyone here ever done automation in industry?? A recruiter suggested I apply for an IT SWE position that seems like it’s automation related. Any thoughts on that?
I have mobile app development experience and have liked that so far, so I’m not sure how I would feel about it.
(Also this is for an internship, but thought I’d ask on here since maybe some of you might have more experience)

[digital carbon]

You had research experience or something right?

[gleaming sigil]

Do they mean Devops?

[arctic drift]

Yeah, but it’s not a 1:1 correlation with swe industry

[digital carbon]

Sure, but it's not the same as having no experience at all

I know someone who did research freshman summer and their first real internship was at amazon

[arctic drift]

Most of my experience was physics research, only had like one semester of cs research which was tbh more bs than anything

• amazon OA doesn't really discriminate between those who have experience and those who don't

it's just an rng factory

[granite flax]

Hats off to people who come into cs from physics/math yall always killin it

[digital carbon]

Ohh I see, yea then it makes sense. I assumed you had CS research experience lol, my bad.

[kind marten]

if i could ask, when did you have ur roblox final interview?

[arctic drift]

Nov 4

[kind marten]

i see. and when did u recieve ur roblox offer email?

[devout bobcat]

anyone know how to write a good renege email?

[digital carbon]

There is a template pinned in this channel

[arctic drift]

Nov 16

[vocal carbon]

Did anyone here interview with quora

[worthy cedar]

amazon being described as an rng factory is as accurate as it gets

ik ppl who got google/fb internship offers and didn't even get interview for amazon with perfect oa1 and oa2 lul

meanwhile they also give ppl 2sum in final interview

[arctic drift]

I just got rejected by amazon today fwiw lmfao

no final pog

but perfect oa1/oa2

[echo cedar]

damn that's so whack @arctic drift

[arctic drift]

I mean doesn't really matter for me I wouldn't renege my offer for amazon but just did the oa for fun lmao ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[worthy cedar]

@arctic drift yea happened to me like 2 months ago too with perfect oa1 and oa2

[mystic mica]

That was the case me too lol, for the mass reject wave back in Sept

lots of people getting perfect oa1/2, at the time people thought they were just not accepting any may 2020 grads, but I guess they really wanna see those LPs during OA3

[arctic drift]

I really said that I'd sacrifice my WLB to finish a project and they still were like nope

[last linden]

i would sacrifice my life to finish a project

[worthy cedar]

i breathe eat and sleep lps (and that means not sleeping at all)

[mystic mica]

yeah..it's honestly kind of annoying, cus you hear about some people not even doing that well on oa2 and they still get the single meme final round like ;/

[grave gull]

wait is quora still hiring?

[fringe kelp]

does anyone know if Citadel is done hiring new grads for 2021?

[vocal carbon]

Well I have an interview so probs?

[severe jay]

do you mind sharing your code signal score ? wondering if i should retake, confident i can get a 820-830 with the retake but if that’s not enough might as well submit my 787

[vocal carbon]

I had a 845 or 846

[severe jay]

ouff ya i’ve heard u need 840+

guess i’m retaking it

thanks! goodluck

[vocal carbon]

Good luck man

Honestly codeaignal is rng

[vocal carbon]

Lol I already accepted another job

I just took the coding challenge for fun

Now idk how to tell them

Now that the interview is scheduled

[severe jay]

damn where’d u accept ?

[wind acorn]

Hi [RECRUITER NAME],

Thank you for considering me for a role at [COMPANY]. I have received an offer from another company that I will be accepting, so I will not be moving forward in the interview process with [COMPANY] at this time.

I wish you the best of luck in your search.

Best,
[NAME]

[vocal carbon]

Thanks a lot!!

[mystic mica]

did they ask for a general score? or did you have to take a proctored one?

[vocal carbon]

Proctored

[fleet turret]

how is this the OA?

[fleet turret]

whats the best way to get a job in nyc if your located in the bay area, obviously applying online to those locations but any other tips lol?

[high thunder]

New grad easy

[mortal temple]

shouldn't be different from a job located anywhere else

[fleet turret]

for what?

[high thunder]

Your question

[fleet turret]

Is bloomberg at capacity for new grad SWE 2021?

[blissful adder]

is there a reason to think so?

[fleet turret]

in the cs majors server some people said so 🤷‍♂️ but idk thats why im asking lol

[half walrus]

i very recently got a phone interview from Bloomberg (like 2 days ago), but not sure

[blissful adder]

yeah if theyre still giving phones i feel like they shouldnt be

[foggy ravine]

i wish i would've seen this sooner rip, the recruiter was so mean to me after i reneged

[wind acorn]

expand your search out of FAANG/BigN

headcount in satellite offices are less so it's more likely you'd be placed in their headquarters (Bay Area/Seattle)

[quick lodge]

when an intern pushes code into production

[wind acorn]

rip tests

[languid orbit]

LMAOO

[digital carbon]

Nah this is called Test Driven Development

The only caveat is you need to test in production 😁

Another favorite of mine: Resume Driven Development

Admittedly I am guilty of it

[vocal carbon]

resume driver dev and nih go hand in hand

and then you get the fanciest polished resume

and then you feel like an impostor 😦

[digital carbon]

oof that's unfortunate. What did the recruiter say?

[foggy ravine]

i told them this was no longer the best opportunity for me anymore but made sure to thank them for everything! and she said “i don’t understand why you were pursuing other opportunities or how you even got other offers in the first place. do you know what it means when you accept an offer?? i hope u don’t make a habit of this in the future” and said bye and hung up without even letting me say anything, and v condescending tone :(

[languid orbit]

Yeah lol, that's why I avoid reneging lol. It's hard to deal with that mess (emotionally)

[digital carbon]

Damn that's rough

Yea I mean I think this server over-normalizes reneging lol

It's still very taboo, though yea you gotta look out for yourself

[languid orbit]

Yeah I agree... reneging does affect the company tbf

Comes to ethics at the root of it

[rotund helm]

lmfao thats a crazy response

wtf

so bitchy

[foggy ravine]

right!!

[hollow hull]

thats insane im sorry you went through that

[foggy ravine]

and when they first gave me the offer, i asked for an extension bc they gave me a whopping 2 day deadline, and she GRILLED me with questions asking why i needed an extension

[hollow hull]

do they not understand that this is a critical moment in our careers

sounds like your hiring manager just sucks tbh

what company was this?

[foggy ravine]

rapid7 😬

small company i tink so i guess its ok

my friend reneged amazon 😬 i feel like thats worse

[last linden]

very bold move to give candidates a tongue lashing about the ethics of reneging while at the same time giving an exploding offer

recruiters be wylin

[rotund helm]

hahahha

dude thats purely her fault

so cringe

[digital carbon]

Yea "do you know what it means to accept an offer" is such an absurd question. Employment is at-will, that's what it means 😂

[worthy spear]

@foggy ravine what happened

[rotund helm]

did she ask to call after you reneged?

just to flame you?

[digital carbon]

Honestly if a recruiter says that kind of stuff to someone who doesn't even work there yet, just imagine what the company culture is like.

Probably dodged a bullet by reneging

[foggy ravine]

bro she emailed me saying she wanted to call me to see if we could work something out, i thought like she meant offer more money or something, instead she just yelled at me :)

[foggy ravine]

what happened about what?

[last linden]

lol sucker punched

[worthy spear]

I'm trying to figure out what u guys are talking about because im also in a negotiation situation xd

Just kinda want to know what happened

[foggy ravine]

ooo i reneged a company and the recruiter was ruuude

[worthy spear]

Oof

[digital carbon]

Lol did the recruiter expect they could bully you into not reneging or smth

[worthy cedar]

in the future should record renege calls tbh

[foggy ravine]

well when i reneged i said i couldn't work there anymore due to personal reasons, so i feel like she just called me to confirm that its bc i took another offer lol

[worthy spear]

Recruiters get paid depending on how many they hire right. So she prob salty u didnt accept

[worthy cedar]

record it and send it to someone that works at the ocmpany

[foggy ravine]

and then when i called i said its no longer the best opportunity anymore and i was hoping she would say "lets try to work something out" but she lied

[granite flax]

The process should be simple

• renege through email, give the vaguest reasons you can; apologize
• don't accept a phone
• leave ethics out of this; they are in a position of more power than you, take the liberties you want

[arctic drift]

lol they'd drop your ass in an instant if their financials came under fire

[granite flax]

• accept the blacklisting, it is what it is

[foggy ravine]

ye i mean i knew i would be blacklisted, but she aint have to be so rude

[granite flax]

for sure, you did nothing wrong (in terms of prioritizing your career), they were just assholes

[arctic drift]

reneging is never something great to do but like

[granite flax]

just read your message about why they wanted to talk, they misled you

[worthy spear]

What company is this

[foggy ravine]

rapid7

[arctic drift]

you should look out for yourself over a company

[granite flax]

yeah i'm in a situation right now where if I get a better offer I'd renege even though the hiring manager was really cool to me, even sent me a happy holiday email etc. but what are you gonna do, it's your CAREER

[foggy ravine]

egggsactly

[granite flax]

wow so they lose one intern, big whooooooooooop such a waste, the team will surely fall behind

[worthy spear]

Yea, I'm in a spot where I just want to negotiate to gain experience negotiating

But i dont really have other offers lol, so idk how to go about doing it

[granite flax]

oh shoot i'm in grad channel, intern or fulltime, the point stands

you're one cog in the machine

[worthy spear]

So, any tips on negotiating when u dont have other offers

[foggy ravine]

uhhh do u have any other experiences or projects or something on ur resume that stands out that u can leverage

[worthy spear]

🤔 any examples? I don't think I do

[worthy cedar]

tell em u have interviews coming up

[foggy ravine]

like if u interned at a rly good company, or had a rly cool side project like an app/website that garnered a lot of attn

[worthy cedar]

and ull cancel all of them if they add extra sign on bonus

[foggy ravine]

like why do u think u deserve a raise basically

[worthy spear]

Ooo

Hmm

Tbh I dont think I deserve it lol xd

[winged kelp]

It's worth a shot

worst they could say is no

[worthy spear]

Do I just throw a number at them then

They already told me the offer details in terms of compensation

[winged kelp]

Maybe look around and see what is being offered.

[foggy ravine]

u just gotta be like "i deserve x salary bc i have xyz skills/experience, ppl with those skills are paid x so i deserve to be compensated fairly as well." something like that?? so that its not just a random number lul

[winged kelp]

In the same company and in different company

and what kayla said

[worthy spear]

Thanks!

[foggy ravine]

or maybe word it nicer LOL

[worthy spear]

Lmao yes

Oh yea, I recently started a yt channel on tech. If u guys want to check it out, its linked on my discord profile xd

[silver bone]

Does reneging at MSFT for new grad blacklist? Can't find a clear answer.

[winged kelp]

probably. I feel like if you renege, it's safe to assume that you are blacklisted.

[worthy spear]

Dang, I didjt know companies blacklist u for negotiating

[foggy ravine]

reneging is different from negotiating lol

[worthy spear]

O, whats reneg

[foggy ravine]

when u accept an offer, but then u decline it after

[worthy spear]

Ooo

[foggy ravine]

if that makes sense lol

[worthy spear]

Whats the expansion of reneg? I thought it was renegotiating

Lol

[foggy ravine]

renege

[karmic jolt]

renege is renege lmao

[foggy ravine]

LOL

[worthy spear]

Dang

[worthy spear]

I learned a new word

[silver bone]

It's an uncommon word I feel

[worthy spear]

^

[karmic jolt]

I think it's only in cscareer channels xd

[silver bone]

But like are companies really going to mark down that I reneged like 4 years later? Especially one as big as MS?

idk

[karmic jolt]

my manager from qualtrics who was part of hiring ddin't even blacklist in the year that they do renege

though I think it's company to company

you should probably be fine imo though don't expect to go back for 2 or more years at least tho

[silver bone]

Considering doing it for a Unicorn that I like and that gave me a great offer

[unkempt echo]

from business perspective reneging will hurt companies where losing a hire will cost them a measurable amount of money

Reneging won’t hurt microsoft and so they probably won’t be that mad at you

[vapid river]

Lol microsoft be giving out lowball offers

[atomic pivot]

150k tc?

[vapid river]

Embarrassing given their status

150 first year

Around there ya

2nd year 125

[atomic pivot]

feelsbadman 150k tc is bad now

[vapid river]

Lol mb didnt mean to come off that way

[languid orbit]

lmaoo ikr... people do be looking down at anything under 200 nowadays

[last linden]

it smell like broke in here

[strange moth]

lol is this new this year?

I thought their new grad always around 150k first year

if no return intern

[worthy cedar]

shit i thought 140 recurring was standard new grad but maybe that’s only return intern

ik 3 ppl that are 110+120/4 recurring. is external hire rly 125?

[lost plume]

Anyone done with Bloomberg final round for SWE position, how many rounds in one day? other than coding rounds what about other rounds?

[marble pond]

msft new grad isn't even "bad" compared to other top paying tech companies, it's just that the levels after new grad they really start paying less than other places for midlevel/senior eng

[high thunder]

Lol

[worthy spear]

How do u value stock options that come in quantities instead of value

Like for companies that arent public

[digital carbon]

It's basically like paper money until they IPO

[worthy spear]

Yikes

[silver bone]

MSFT new grad is competitive especially when you consider col in Seattle vs bay

No state income tax in WA

[wind acorn]

rip it's still there

[languid orbit]

Tbf FB offers the same TC in both Bay and Seattle

Even Amazon offers 160k in Seattle

[high thunder]

And NYC LOL

Msft does differ per location

[errant charm]

Guys, anyone know which US companies sponsor visas for new grads?

[brazen bough]

Anyone interviewed for the Visa new grad Software Engineer role on the data platform team?

[mystic mica]

after phone screen it’s 2 rounds in a day, then an HR round, and then a round with a hiring manager/senior engineer (possibly more LC, but I’ve heard of some getting asked system design)

[lost plume]

@mystic mica Thanks . Do you have any leads about the resources for System Design?

[mystic mica]

I’ve never gone through the onsites before, this is just what I know from friends who have gone through it + Glassdoor + people here saying what the process is. Idk what the system design questions would be like

[lost plume]

@mystic mica Okay. Thanks for the response.

[fleet turret]

anyone heard back from pure storage or Cruise for new grad SWE ?

[wind flint]

Wow. I just saw that someone got a 380k offer from Apple in the salary sharing channel. It said it was swe II (so idk if they were a new grad). The base was 170k and rsus were 575/4.

[cursive loom]

They were not a new grad

[wind flint]

Would it be possible for a new grad to get swe II or is that usually 3-6 yoe?

[cursive loom]

The latter

[tired bay]

That was a negotiated offer with Citadel if I remember correctly as well

[wind flint]

Okay. So at faang, typical new grad is like ~170k and 5yoe is like 350k? Those are the typical numbers?

Would that be a reasonable expectation?

[wind flint]

What do citadel swes with 5yoe make? I heard that new grad is usually like 200-300k (excluding the extremely large signing bonus). Does swe compensation grow fast there(

[tired bay]

I think the guy was more like 2-3 years experience and Citadel bonus incentivized heavy but probs could be around 400 if everything went good that year

He was coming from 2 years at Lyft

[sudden otter]

Do you guys know if Google started recruiting for 2021 security roles ?

[worthy spear]

Any tips for networking? I have been getting only rejects with online applications. How do you guys usually end up with an interview?

[daring bough]

Have you tried cold emailing @worthy spear

[worthy spear]

No. Where do you get the recruiter's email from? LinkedIn?

[daring bough]

You can, sometimes if you go to open hours events recruiters also provide email

[karmic jolt]

you can try pming people in this server too, Ik I've shared and other people here have shared me recruiter emails

[buoyant nexus]

you can use a chrome extension which gives you the recruiter's email address based on their linkedin

[ember scaffold]

how nice are the LC company-wise mocks?

[burnt karma]

being an F1 international student at this time, what is best to answer for 'do you now or in the future require visa sponsorship for this job in the USA'? yes/no? so confused about what to answer there bc i know i have already received plenty of rejections simply based on that answer even though i am qualified for the role :X

[royal moon]

you should say yes to that q

[visual lagoon]

Say yes and rejected early VS say no and rejected later

[burnt karma]

also, is it okay to apply to 2 positions at the same company?

[visual lagoon]

I have seen some companies limiting the number of applications from a person (usually 2-3), but if not, I think 2 is totally fine

[burnt karma]

Thank you! 🙂

[silver bone]

When a company says something is non-negotiable, is that always the case?

I have a company telling me equity is non-negotiable but should I still go for it?

[digital carbon]

Well, you can try. They'll probably just say it's not negotiable if that's really the case.

[old trail]

It’s worth an ask but if they turn you down just don’t push it

[old trail]

whats the reputation of your schools internship program

is it a guarentee and what type of companies also are you currently applying

[vapid river]

risk getting offer rescinded if its a small company

negotiating when they straight up said its non negotiable gets u on their bad side asap

[foggy ravine]

i graduated late to get an internship, i think it was worth tbh, getting interviews has been a lot easier

or you could do an impressive side project

[atomic pivot]

I think it depends if you have prev experience or not and how spring recruiting works out. It might get better so you might not have to delay if you just want any full time job

I guess it depends how long you have until you have to let your school know you’re delaying

[magic sable]

How do I tell my recruiter I have an offer deadline? Is there a template I can use ?

[cerulean pivot]

literally just tell them

hey heads up i have an offer deadline for ___

[molten crest]

So you can just say you want more time to think about it because you are considering other offers and they won't be salty or anything

[sand vale]

Anyone here applied to Tiktok new grad positions after 19th November and got their assessments?

[karmic saddle]

Has anyone recently interviewed with Microsoft for Full-Time SWE pos? I have my final round in 3 weeks and would love to get some info

[vapid river]

Dm me

[fleet turret]

anyone hear back from confluent after applying to them?

[topaz knoll]

Anyone interviewed for Verily Life Sciences here?
Would highly appreciate any kind of tips.

[ocean geode]

U better get grinding then

[undone abyss]

any tips for amazon oa3, it’s mostly just matching the situation with the right lp?

[candid dagger]

What's the best way to ask recruiter for a different location? She indirectly hinted it would not be possible but I would still like to try.

This is about Walmart. I got offer for Dallas, TX location. My preferred location in Sunnyvale or Seattle

[full shore]

just ask

[atomic pivot]

Yes

[dry mural]

@candid dagger bay area is filled

and once you get an offer you cant really swap it

[atomic badge]

What's the fastest you have heard back after an onsite?

[digital carbon]

Same day

[worthy spear]

are companies still having onsites nowadays tho

[granite flax]

because of the timezone mixup, they hired me before the onsite

[atomic pivot]

I had an on-site today lol

[atomic badge]

Guys..just heard back. Phew. Was feeling restless hence the message on this discord 😛

[storm badge]

Has anyone done a SDET amazon interview? New grad. Not sure how this differs from typical SDE roles

[digital carbon]

What was the news 👀

[atomic badge]

@digital carbon Offer!! 🙂

[digital carbon]

Yo nice

🎉

Jeez man you're drowning in offers

Leave some for the rest of us :P

[atomic badge]

@digital carbon yeah..the patience and hardwork finally paid off! 🙂

[digital carbon]

Congrats, you deserve it 🙂

[worthy lake]

Congratulations @atomic badge

[quick lodge]

Congrats @atomic badge!

[spiral bramble]

how long have u been grindin
congrats btw!

[atomic badge]

@spiral bramble grinding since a while. Just doing a problem or two a day. LC count: 201 (68 Easy, 120 Medium, 13 Hard)

[spiral bramble]

inspirational

[worthy spear]

@atomic badge ayy congrats!

[spiral bramble]

2021 will be my year 😂

[atomic badge]

It will be 🙂

[elder kernel]

Which company?

[atomic badge]

@elder kernel Apple

[elder kernel]

Wow

[cursive oasis]

@atomic badge do u know where ur headed

[atomic badge]

@cursive oasis not sure..waiting for Apple deets

[sullen forge]

any idea how much Goldman pays for devsecoperation profile ?

[supple cobalt]

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this but, I recently accepted a full-time offer that begins in June. I was given the opportunity to start early (co-op) in January so I can get a better understanding for the code and the company. Any tips on how I could make the most out of this?

[atomic pivot]

Depends what you’re doing from now until June. Do you wanna spend the extra few months onboarding and ramping up now or later basically.

I personally might wait until June as I would like to have more downtime for other things in life.

[supple cobalt]

I was planning on doing like 10-20 hours/week while taking some easy classes. I thought it'd be a good idea to get more experience

[atomic pivot]

More experience for a new job? I mean you’ll be getting the same experience anyway in June

[old trail]

Personally I’d just chill, you have the rest of your life to work

[vapid river]

Lol just get the earliest start date

Cant do anything rn with downtime

I'm bored af cus of covid and moved up my date

[supple cobalt]

Yea that’s literally what I’m thinking. If there wasn’t a pandemic, I would 100% rather spend my senior year in the bars but since I can’t I might have a well start earlier. Right? Haha

[vapid river]

Facts

[vocal carbon]

P much what I am doing too, was planning on having a fun last year and then a 6 month grad trip

But now I just graduated this term instead and will start working in feb

[mystic mica]

Well, to give you another viewpoint, I recently signed an offer for June (and I had an option to do January). Recruiter suggested January because "oh you'll be making income immediately" but, that wasn't an issue for me, and I personally would like having these extra few months to chill. You're not gonna have another chance to coast and chill for 3-4 months for a while.

It's true that you can't really go anywhere or do anything substantial cus of covid but, there are ways to relax at home. I personally was pretty tired from from all the additional recruiting I had to do after graduating, if you ask me, doing a co-op your last semester and then working right away would burn me tf out.

but to each their own ig

[heavy dust]

Does anyone know anything about working at Deloitte as an analyst?

[atomic badge]

Anyone have any idea abt the range of Apple for new grads? On levels.fyi, there's ICT-2 and ICT-3. Which one is usually for new grads? And does Apple match/beat competing offers?

[supple cobalt]

@mystic mica that’s true, I didn’t think about how it could burn me out. It’s not like I’m doing this co-op for the money. Idk if it’s too late though cause I already agreed with the recruiter that I’d work up to 20 hours a week

On the other hand, it feels odd having to wait 6 months to work at a place. I told them I wanted a month of free time between coop and full time and they gave me that

[mystic mica]

If you’re okay with only a month sure. But otherwise there’s nothing too weird about waiting 6 months imo..

[crimson shale]

That reservoir position is pretty cool. Don’t see too many compiler positions for new grad

[half walrus]

That's a pretty broad question. What specifically about ML/Data Science?

It depends on what you are interested in. If you are interested in theory, then you need to take theory classes in math/stats/cs. If you are interested in application, then doing kaggle (https://www.kaggle.com/) competitions is a good start

[blissful adder]

yeah to follow up on that question what exactly do ML SWEs work on...I feel like in most companies its not actually writing algos but ofc i could be wrong

[digital carbon]

MLEs usually create data pipelines to train the models and then productionize models (i.e. figure out how to integrate the model into the company's software)

[half walrus]

^ research is done by PhDs

[digital carbon]

At least that's the sense I get

Yes research is very different

I see MLE as just another specialization of SWE

[half walrus]

Depends on the ML job. For MLE, not so much, as typically they are geared towards Master's students. For ML Research, absolutely, you need a PhD

Well again, it depends on what you want to do. If you are interested in theory (and therefore PhD), online courses won't cut it. Your best bet is to take math/stats/cs courses at a University. If you are interested in application and just building ML tools, then the best way to learn is to actually just build them and learn along the way. Kaggle competitions are great for this.

[blissful adder]

yeah thats what i figured i just feel like the comp tends to be significantly higher or at least grow faster for MLEs so i was curious how math heavy it is

^ dont know that im interested enough tho just for the comp potential

[azure gull]

What’s the longest you guys have had to wait to get an offer after final round of interview?

[vapid river]

Lol trust me, 3 months of downtime sounds super chill. But after ur first two weeks in, ur gonna just feel like ur wasting time. It doesnt even feel relaxing at that pt.

[azure gull]

3 months no school no work? I'd go insane

Especially in quarantine lol

Well covid times* i aint gonna lie I haven't been quarantining

[vapid river]

Lol ya, also I've waited 2 months for an offer

[blissful adder]

its only been one month and im getting there dude

[digital carbon]

higher comp is likely because there are very few people who are solid SWEs and also understand enough about ML to do the work correctly

back to good old supply and demand lol

[azure gull]

haha i feel ya

Another question, i have a 2.967 gpa lol would it be considered lying if i put a 3.0 on my resume

[blissful adder]

yeah no im not surprised at all it is always s and d haha was just curious

[blissful adder]

no

gpas are dumb anyway

[digital carbon]

I'd say do it

feels close enough

[azure gull]

sounds good

[carmine adder]

Does anyone know if amazon still has a new grad waitlist

[old trail]

I believed they completely cleared it out and gave ppl offers so as of rn no

[carmine adder]

ok ty

[fleet turret]

is fb still hiring new grads?

[old trail]

seems like they didn't hire any this year except for return interns

[fleet turret]

does anyone know if squarespace is hiring new grads still?

[cursive oasis]

was squarespace hiring new grads? i didnt see anything eariler

[worthy spear]

Should I be negotiating before the official offer arrives or after?

Also, is it normal for a recruiter to give me a deadline for acceptance before my offer letter arrives

[unkempt echo]

How do you negotiate an offer without the official numbers in hand

[unkempt echo]

Like you have to accept before getting the formal offer letter? Or they told you over the phone before getting the offer letter

[worthy spear]

Recruiter gave me the details of the offer verbally

[worthy spear]

Told me over the phone if end of year is enough time

[unkempt echo]

Oh it’s prob flexible then

Yeah I usually get an informal deadline before the offer letter

[worthy spear]

O i see

[unkempt echo]

And no don’t negotiate until you get the letter

[worthy spear]

Ooo

Okay, thanks!

[worthy spear]

Can u explain why tho

Just curious

[unkempt echo]

Nothing is official until you get the actual offer letter

Like the comp numbers

[worthy spear]

Right

Thanks

🙏 🙏

[unkempt echo]

np

[atomic badge]

Guys, how do you convert salary in Seattle to Cali? What's the per cent increase?

[mental frigate]

Add 10K to Seattle comp

[quick lodge]

not sure if this helps, feel free to check it out: https://www.nerdwallet.com/cost-of-living-calculator

[atomic badge]

@mental frigate that'll be still less right? cause seattle has no taxes and cali has 10% taxes?

[dusky robin]

Also depends where u live in Cali

[atomic badge]

yeah..but cali has like 10% state income tax right?

Or is it 9%? yeah..somewhere in that range

[unkempt echo]

it’s closer to 7%

[atomic badge]

Is this accurate:? https://smartasset.com/taxes/paycheck-calculator

[wind acorn]

@atomic badge I've found this one to be more accurate

https://gusto.com/tools/salary-paycheck-calculator

[atomic badge]

Thanks!

[azure gull]

Mans said cali like it’s a city

[digital carbon]

Lol I didn't even notice that

I usually just assume bay area if someone says cali with no specifier

[raven vessel]

Does any know what compensation to expect for Irving, Dallas? There seems to be very little information outside on this.

[atomic badge]

Yeah..I meant Bay Area 😛

[fleet turret]

is datadog hiring new grads?

[atomic pivot]

Yes they were

Idk if they still are

[gleaming sluice]

Expect something between 80k-90k for sde new grad

[spring verge]

Anyone that did the HRT coding challenge, how long did it take to hear back?

[mystic mica]

70k - 90k, you'd be very lucky to break 6 figs as a new grad there, but the cost of living is not bad

[atomic badge]

Anyone here with a new grad offer from Apple?

[fossil crown]

just under a month for me. I got a 92% on the codility and they asked to schedule a phone

[polar laurel]

For intern something else.

[indigo jacinth]

has anyone done the virtual onsite for Clever???

[exotic remnant]

Are coding interviews for new grads similar to intern coding interviews? Or are they more difficult?

[atomic pivot]

imo harder but bc there’s more interviews and thus potentially more difficult topics

[mystic mica]

topics aren't all that different, although interns probably won't get asked DP (i hope)

but new grad interviews are just more rounds, so they're effectively more difficult

[carmine adder]

Anyone else have their amazon portal change

[spring verge]

wait how do you see your grade what

[fossil crown]

I clicked the test link from the original email

[ocean geode]

when did u apply? the mofos never got back to me

[cunning needle]

Hey guys, needed a suggestion:
I gave my final round at a company (8th Dec) and waiting to hear back from them.
Do I expect them to respond during the holiday season(maybe upto 4th Jan ) or these companies don't respond during the holiday season?

[spring verge]

got an 87, idk if that'll be good enough hmm

[exotic remnant]

Thank you!

[exotic remnant]

I have had DP question a couple times in my coding interviews and thanks your response.

[mystic mica]

oh rip lol

[mellow vault]

They’ll probably get back to you after the 4th now

[polar laurel]

@cunning needle Same thing happened to me

[late kindle]

Has anyone here gone through the entire TikTok process for new grad? Is it OA+3 technicals then offer? Or is it OA+3 technicals + hiring manager then offer?

[old trail]

Oa 3 technical offer

[mystic mica]

I have a recruiter email from a friend that said OA -> 2 technicals -> 1 behavioral -> offer.
But most new grads seem to be doing OA -> 3 technicals -> offer.
I graduated May 2020 (out of the eligible period for the new grad roles I applied for), so they're having me do 3 technicals -> hiring manager (possibly another technical/system design) -> offer

[rough atlas]

anybody know if 2 sigma still recruiting? I had a location form a month ago and nothing since

[late kindle]

@mystic mica @old trail My initial email said 3 technical interviews, but my recruiter said that the offer will only be given after Team Matching. So I got a bit confused

[old trail]

That’s correct, I don’t believe the team matching is extra interviews though

[drowsy cloak]

Anyone interviewing with bytedance Singapore?

[supple raptor]

I had OA -> 2 technicals -> supposedly behavioral (no coderpad link in invitation) with an engineer manager and he gave sent me a coderpad link for a smaller question. third interview was a lot more behavioral. Just got note that they’ll be extending an offer next week!

I have a interview w recruiter which i’m assuming will be team matching

[green palm]

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[raven vessel]

Hi guys .. do you think going hard on negotiations could lead to an offer rescind? (I feel like I have been offered way below other new grad offers)

Also, how many times of going back and forth would not seem too pushy?

[plucky hinge]

^^^

[digital carbon]

There's no magic number of times before it gets pushy, you have to read the room and figure out if your demands are irking the recruiter. Sometimes you have to push a little harder to get what you deserve, but you need to understand how much leverage you have and how much you can use that leverage to negotiate.

The specific point at which it becomes pushy depends entirely on the situation and your relationship with the recruiter

[raven vessel]

Yeah, that makes sense. It would be very specific to me. What do you think of a rescind possibility?

[digital carbon]

I think it's pretty unlikely unless you make unreasonable demands

If you're talking about Microsoft, they don't seem like the type of company to rescind over negotiation. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[raven vessel]

Yeah, this is about Msft 😅 .

Also, how do you guys generally negotiate? Over phone or email. I feel like talking over email is best for me but every suggestion out there suggests not to

[digital carbon]

This article has some good rules of thumb: https://haseebq.com/my-ten-rules-for-negotiating-a-job-offer/

if you're not comfortable negotiating over the phone, do it over email

[raven vessel]

Wow .. this article seems to be pretty detailed. Thank you.

[vapid river]

msft hella lowballs

[worthy spear]

how low are lowballs

[marble pond]

the offers you might be seeing are prolly return intern offers which are higher. unless you have a competing offer i don't think theyll budge

[polar laurel]

@marble pond Wdym

If u intern at a company

and u come back

they pay u more?

than someone who just

applies direct for that position?

[marble pond]

yeah, usually they give you the upper end of the stock options like msft would be 120k stock over 4 years

[polar laurel]

I see

[marble pond]

and people who go through new grad process may not get that stock off the bat/might need competing offers

[polar laurel]

Right ofc

[dire fossil]

Has someone attended the tiktok interview for the data analyst role?

[grand tangle]

Has anyone interviewed for Intel ?

[bleak mica]

Wait what. I literally got a tenth of that for my offer in Europe. :((

[bleak mica]

wdym?

[dull galleon]

which office? 😮

[bleak mica]

Czechia ;c I tried having the offer moved to a different location but nope lol

[languid orbit]

Hey! What's the new grad offer like for Google and FB?

I know it was 120k base/100k stocks/15k signing for Google. (Bay)
Which is only like 145k! However peeps here look down on anything under 200k. So, I'm curious about the median offer

[unkempt echo]

wow under 200k?

sorry we dont speak poor

[cerulean pivot]

we definitely dont endorse for that behavior

[arctic drift]

salaries exist below 200k?

wtf is that peasant shit

[ornate charm]

The fuck^^?? I’d only take an offer below 200k if it was a part time job lmfao

[mystic mica]

if you're not doing LC DP HARD and getting $800k TC from Jane Street you should consider alternative careers

[mystic mica]

real talk, G hasn't done any external new grad hiring this year so I don't think people here can give you their offer details. You can check levels.fyi though, that might help

[high thunder]

#new_grad_salary_sharing Search for Google and FB LOL

Oh well FB

118k base, some stock, some bonus

[real walrus]

Roblox and Bloomberg seem to have high new grad TC

[high thunder]

What is high what is low

Depends on location fam

[woven juniper]

isn't over 200k really rare?

[real walrus]

by high i mean 200K+

[arctic drift]

bloomberg you'd need strong competing offers for 200k+

from my experience

[west skiff]

new grad 200k? I haven't heard of that

I was given verbal offer of 200k for SSE recently

[digital carbon]

Excluding the signon bonus, I doubt they'd ever go that high even if you had like citadel or Jane street offers

[blissful adder]

assuming you didnt take it...did you go somewhere else instead?

[west skiff]

they said they wanted me to meet a few teams and pick one before giving me a written offer, we only briefly talked about compensation so the numbers may change

[blissful adder]

how many years of exp do you have?

[west skiff]

1.5 professional at a large bank, 1.5 intern/part time work throughout university

[blissful adder]

so youre likely to take Bb?

1.5 for sse is good i feel like

think they said its usually 3

[west skiff]

I finished onsite with apple but they wanted me to wait a month before a decision, going to tell em to hurry it up and decide between the two

leaning towards bb regardless of apple offer or not, hoping to use to negotiate bb to 230kish

[blissful adder]

oh neat...how much did you prep/how did you balance that working ft

[digital carbon]

Lots of people do it in 2 years actually, pretty doable if you hustle and make a good case for yourself. The title doesn't mean a whole lot because of that lol.

[west skiff]

~3 months of 2hr a workday and 4hr a weekend day studying

[blissful adder]

yeah its more just 200k+ comp i feel like

if that

seems more like swe 2

[west skiff]

I had a weird final onsite with 9 interviewers (4 tech rounds + 1 hr) which seems uncommon

[blissful adder]

mad hustling, was work just not that taxing or was this a pretty tough grind?

[west skiff]

I think the reason was because multiple teams wanted me, so they're having me decide between them in another meeting 🤷‍♂️

[blissful adder]

oh yeah sse is for a specific team

[west skiff]

bb interview was on the easy side compared to amazon/apple/palantir

I actually barely studied for bb but the interview experience felt more personal and caring

[worthy spear]

whats sse?

[blissful adder]

senior

[worthy spear]

ah i c

[digital carbon]

You mean 2 interviewers per tech round? Yea BB does it that way for hiring at all levels, I guess it is uncommon though

[blissful adder]

yeah felt like they cared more about personality and such in my experience....no offer from Amazon or Palantir?

[blissful adder]

i only ever had one at a time in my techs

[west skiff]

yep, 2 interviewers per round and 4 rounds of tech interviews

amazon reject and palantir ghost

[digital carbon]

Sorry, it used to be the case when interviews were in person

[blissful adder]

gotcha

[blissful adder]

honestly amazon sends like hell

[west skiff]

I have microsoft onsite soon, but will probably cancel it

the TC at msft can't compete with bb

[blissful adder]

what if you get way upleveled?

[worthy spear]

bb?

[blissful adder]

bloomberg

[digital carbon]

Palantir as well lol

[blissful adder]

yeah true i just hear about it less haha

[digital carbon]

Tru

[west skiff]

msft wants to give me 62/63, which is like ~180-190k tops

[blissful adder]

if you ever go on blind(which theres zero benefit to doing so) you just see amazon employees self-depricating left and right

[blissful adder]

they wouldnt match Bb if you told them?

[digital carbon]

That money would go a lot further in Seattle though because of no income tax

[blissful adder]

I think thats a bit of a misconception

[west skiff]

all my interviews are for NYC

[digital carbon]

Oh nvm then lol

[blissful adder]

you def get more takehome....but idk that COL acutally adjusts

if you know what i mean

[digital carbon]

Makes sense

[blissful adder]

no personal experience tho so grain of salt

[west skiff]

I personally didn't like the recruiter at msft so main reason why I'm leaning bb regardless on offers from other companies

just kinda want another offer to negotatite bb into extra $20k + signing bonus

[blissful adder]

i think manhattan is more expensive than seattle for sure but queens is mad close to bb office if you wanna save money

[west skiff]

NYC rent is really cheap atm, good 1b1bs are going for ~$1,300

[spiral bramble]

How was it like to study that much everyday

[blissful adder]

I just know someone that tried to negotiate between a seattle and apple offer and the recruiter said col difference is much less than 15%

[high thunder]

A walk up with no laundry?

Probably no AC

Maybe even no water

[blissful adder]

rlly hoping it stays that way until july when i sign a lease haha itll go up at least a little tho

[west skiff]

tbh, after 1yr of working you kinda auto-pilot and work becomes easy - adding 2hrs of LC a day isn't that bad

I'm only 24 so no kids/wife, quarantine got nothing to do lol

[blissful adder]

haha 2br for 3k look legit tbh

[spiral bramble]

Ahh

[high thunder]

2br 1 Latrine

[spiral bramble]

I pay $1300 for a room in a 4b2b in seattle

[blissful adder]

haha go on streeteasy

[west skiff]

check out the apts in manhattan atm, they are giving out so many deals b/c of covid

[spiral bramble]

Feels bad

[blissful adder]

i feel like 1-2k isnt that much for rent in a city

especially given SWE salaries

[spiral bramble]

Yea it’s normal

[blissful adder]

youre paying for convenience and an experience

[west skiff]

the 4-5% city tax is what you should worry about lol

[blissful adder]

worth it

[blissful adder]

i thought it was more like 3.7

[west skiff]

depends on salary I believe

[blissful adder]

tru

@west skiff how much do you think rent will go up when it gets warm?

obvi more dependent on vaccine success

but i feel like demand goes up in the summer regardless

[west skiff]

not by much, from what I hear most companies are considering WFH/remote more so commercial rent is going down the drain

and commercial real estate is being turned into residential, I would assume the rent prices will be near this level for next 1-2years

funny thing about bb is I was actually rejected for the new grad SWE 2021 after phone screen

🤔

[blissful adder]

oh interesting i didnt know that

[blissful adder]

how long ago?

[west skiff]

early october, then recruiter reached out in nov for sse

[blissful adder]

oh thats wack lol

better for you tho

[royal hearth]

Do most people start at L2 or l3 at google?

[cerulean pivot]

3

[royal hearth]

Thank you!

[old trail]

I don’t think any swe roles are at l2

[cerulean pivot]

duno if its 2 but theres eng residency and its below l3

[mystic mica]

that basically turns to l3 if they convert successfully though right

[cerulean pivot]

yea

[blissful adder]

pretty much everyone converts from what ive heard, if they dont its because they didnt want to

so if you really wanna work at google thats kinda the play

[mystic mica]

Ahh ok. Do you (or anyone else) know if they will give you the option to interview for engineering residency if you do good, but not as good as they like, on the regular new grad SWE interview? I've heard that this has happened but wasn't sure if it was true.

[blissful adder]

idk if they 'give you the option' but ik someone who applied to L3 and got rerouted at some point in the process

then got engres and then converted a year later

[mystic mica]

oops, yeah reroute was the word i was looking for

ok gotcha

[blissful adder]

yeah thats how google does it in general, theyll just route you to interviews they think you fit

if they look at your resume

[azure gull]

You really think so? I’m loving these prices i see on StreetEasy, would be awesome if it stayed that way by summer

[blissful adder]

yeah its dumb hype actually(the current prices)

[west skiff]

a ton of NYC apartments are empty, and even more office spaces are empty - NYC rental market got a reality check lol

the actual value of the apt/houses stayed the same tho, most of the US house prices skyrocketed

[dry mural]

^^^^^^^

a lot of landlords are doing free rent for a month or two

which lowers your average rent for your contract

[dry walrus]

Any new companies sending OA lately?

[woven tinsel]

Everything slows down during this time of the year

Should pick up again soon

[worthy lake]

Anyone know the lowest score needed to move to qa2 for Amazon SDE new grad?

Got a 3/7 rip

[digital carbon]

Doesn't everyone get all rounds?

All OAs*

[worthy lake]

Really?

[worthy spear]

do companies let u do contract work instead of ft?

[worthy lake]

@digital carbon Cause last year I got 2/7 and didn’t make to next round

But apparently this year everyone is moving ahead

So I was just wondering

Nvm just got part 2 rn LMAOOO

[digital carbon]

Yea that's what I thought

[digital carbon]

Nice haha

[worthy lake]

hahaha what a coincidence

Thanks @digital carbon

[sweet vigil]

Anyone received a connection email from Viasat?

[drowsy sentinel]

has anyone interviewed with hive?

[wind acorn]

The AI company?

[drowsy sentinel]

yeah

[mystic mica]

I saw someone move on with a 2/7 but someone said they got a 1/7 and didn’t get OA2

[worthy lake]

Oh really?? @mystic mica

[mystic mica]

Yeah but it’s just anecdotal so I wouldn’t really bet too much on it

[worthy lake]

Hmm that means they expect u to get at least one correct then

[mystic mica]

The debugging questions this year were def harder than prior years’

[worthy lake]

Oh dw I got the QA 2 an hour after my AQ 1

[worthy lake]

Oh yeah for sure

But I got past QA 1 so I'll focus on the next one now

[daring bough]

I heard not everybody gets amazon OA 3

[supple raptor]

I did first round with hive last wednesday, haven’t heard back but prob bc holidays

[worthy spear]

Grad that got a job. What will you do with your first salary? (Outside rent, loan and similar expenses)

[unkempt echo]

is this what 2sig is doing 🤔

[cursive loom]

it do may be working still

fuck i yolo TSLA only now

[vapid river]

Tesla is so 4 months ago

All abt palantir now

[cursive loom]

shit i am one mind track

[worthy lake]

Yee even getting QA 2

Some people fail at QA 1

[spring verge]

I didn’t interview but I talked to a recruiter and they sent me their google form coding challenge? Except they didn’t? Idk it was weird and the recruiter always took a long time to get back to me so I stopped recruiting with them

[normal tide]

They have given a wide range of dates from May to September to choose from!

[drowsy sentinel]

huh interesting, i never got a coding challenge. i just had a recruiter call after applying and then got an interview scheduled for a week later

[normal tide]

Wait, you asked for Fall grads. For Spring grads, you can join from March 1st 😅

[placid timber]

Anyone had an OA for TikTok recently and don't mind helping me figure out what kind of questions to expect? 😅

[stark otter]

expect 1 easy and 3x LC hard

[high thunder]

epic

i got the invite for tomo 🙂

[stark otter]

all the best

i remember 2x dp and 1 graph q

they were math based

[willow glacier]

Everytime I'm here looks like everyone have had some kind of interviews. As a June 21 grad, I'm getting no response post OAs, not even rejects.

[vocal carbon]

How are you doing on the OAs?

[willow glacier]

Other than a few off ones, I get all test cases but without any feedback I'm not sure what else to go on

[vocal carbon]

Ooof, I was under the impression 95% companies move you to next round if you get 100% on the OA

Hopefully picks up again after the break

Good luck!

[half walrus]

@willow glacier im in basically the exact same position as you - graduated in June, do well on OAs, and then get ghosted. I suspect it might be that they send out the OAs before resume screen, and we just don't make it past the resume screen

[half walrus]

lmao I also hear back more often from trading firms than tech firms

[thin knoll]

Did anyone interview with Cisco for Software Engineering Master's role recently?

[woeful cipher]

For amazon, I'm on "under consideration" for nearly 7 weeks after I finished OA3, should I reach out to a recruiter or just assume i failed there? I couldn't do the 2nd question of OA2 :/

[rocky zinc]

Yeah, even I wanna know what Cisco's asking now

And does everyone have a behavioral and technical? I'm not sure how it works.

[ocean geode]

Whats with people and their usernames including the prefix “farmer”?

@rocky zinc @true dagger @tired bay @wind bloom @red gorge

[full shore]

weird cult, kinda like scientology

[worthy lake]

Wait u moved to QA 3 even after not doing the 2nd question from QA 2?

[mystic mica]

you have to really bomb one of them to not get the next one

someone mentioned they got 2/7 on oa1 and moved on

[worthy lake]

Damn it's like they lowered their hiring bar

Lmaoooo

[mystic mica]

to the contrary

they seem to be placing a lot of weight on oa3

[worthy lake]

What's QA 3?

[mystic mica]

I got 4/7 OA1 and all cases passing OA2, and after OA3 I got the L

OA3 is a work simulation and then a personality test thing (they say the personality quiz doesn't count for anything but yeah it does lmao)

[worthy lake]

Oh so they put more emphasis on the work simulation than the coding challenge(QA 2)?

[mystic mica]

well nobody knows for sure

I can only give you my own data point

[worthy lake]

Ahhh

I see

[mystic mica]

some people did worse than I did on OA1, worse than I did on OA2, and got the meme single final round

[worthy lake]

looooooool

[mystic mica]

so i've concluded getting into amazon is rng

[worthy lake]

Yeah like damnnn

It really is