2021_grads

[arctic drift]

^ yeah that too my b

[flint halo]

i had less than 1/20 response rate with an internship and four years of research

at that point it’s about converting

and even boomer companies ask lc easy-med

companies with rotational programs are generally willing to take people with less exp

[arctic drift]

I mean as a new grad it's fine for a bigger company

[flint halo]

i would target those (Target is one of them btw, with a very chill interview process)

LOL I have offer

yeah

wait I’m not the person asking for advice lol

[formal loom]

it is a bojack reference!

[dry mural]

Lads, I have just signed with Walmart Labs in Reston VA after having no internships (they got cancelled)

I GOT A JOB

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

260+ APPS

AND I AT LEAST GOT ONE

[feral mantle]

SWE/SRE literally anywhere

What kind of practical experience do you expect?

[arctic drift]

then just apply everywhere

and hope for the best

[dry mural]

^

[flint halo]

Target, Disney, Cigna, SAP has the easiest interview processes if you’re looking for a place to start (although Disney hiring seems fucked)

[dry mural]

thats what i did

[flint halo]

also, defense if you’re morally ok w that

[unkempt echo]

congrats!

you deserve it buddy

[dry mural]

thanks @unkempt echo

@feral mantle i would look local as well

[feral mantle]

Yes for sure local. Im in the seattle area

[dry mural]

OWO

UW ?

[feral mantle]

Ive done all that stuff before?

[unkempt echo]

idk its a strong resume

[feral mantle]

UWB

[unkempt echo]

with some rewording and leetcode prep im fairly confident you can break big tech companies

[feral mantle]

never touched anything front end

I mean a little webasm

[supple fjord]

@feral mantle I think that your resume shows that you've done a lot of stuff, its just really hard to understand what you've done. I think it might be easier to break down what you did, its impact, make it readable so that someone who isnt a cs major can kind of understand what you're doing

[feral mantle]

Okay awesome thank you

Thats actually a really good note

[dry mural]

^

[arctic drift]

this is my experience with research

[dry mural]

it wouldnt be bad for him to take an internship

for summer

like if he could get an internship this summer and graduate winter and apply for new grad fall

it would not be bad

[feral mantle]

Yea Ive been applying to internships as well

[unkempt echo]

pretty sure there will be a larger than expected winter recruitment cycle upcoming

[supple fjord]

so ie for something like this
"Created a series of ansible playbooks to manage and provision computing resources and upgrade them from Centos 7 to Centos 8."

What impact did you see when you upgraded it? Maybe a percentage increase in performance would be a good way to indicate your impact

and for
"Managed Nvidia GPU clusters for high performance computing and machine learning research"

What exactly did you do specifically? I'm not really sure what this means

idk if that makes sense

[flint halo]

mayb unpopular opinion but idt they need more practical experience, just better wording

[vagrant raft]

Isn't google opening in Jan for new grad?

[worthy spear]

Hey guys,

Any tips on how to explain the projects you've done that's on your resume? I'm bad at explaining things and so it took me a long time to summarize what I did for my projects that I put on my resume.

[vagrant raft]

They give interviews to mad people for New Grad in the past

[flint halo]

kenlee did it, i have friends w/ no internships do it as well

[unkempt echo]

plenty of ppl get jobs without internships

[flint halo]

hell 3/4 of my resume is psychology research LOL and I got big N

[arctic drift]

you don't /need/ internships

it just makes your search so much easier

[dry mural]

yeah

internships arent needed

but its tuff

[arctic drift]

I went through it with a decent callback rate tbh

[dry mural]

If you wanna see my resume lmk

[brisk jolt]

I just have my mentees do python courses

[supple fjord]

yeah, i had my internship rescinded so i just had 1 research and 1 teaching thing but good hackathon projects

[arctic drift]

shouldn't be aiming for small-ish companies if you don't have dev experience

[dry mural]

I literally just have small projects

[arctic drift]

FAANG is like

[dry mural]

fang is already done basically

[feral mantle]

I dont want to go FAANG

[dry mural]

for this szn

[arctic drift]

LC mediums unless you're unlucky

[dry mural]

id still do LC

[arctic drift]

but also MSFT/AMZN are done

[dry mural]

even Walmart got LC meds

[arctic drift]

so the harder FAANGs are maybe hiiring

[arctic drift]

what do you want then

[vagrant raft]

Yea FAANG didn't do much new grad hiring lol

Google and FB did nothing so far

[supple fjord]

I'd crash course grokking the coding interview. Deadass grinded that for 1 month and went from not being able to do leetcode easys to passing technicals with leetcode mediums

[arctic drift]

FB isn't hiring NGs though I think

[dry mural]

grokking is nice

[feral mantle]

cool, thanks guys

[dry mural]

i personally just did like 200 leetcode + cracking the coding interview

they are all good

😄

just find one that works for you

@feral mantle if you ever wanna dock mocks lmk

ill help u out bro

[woven juniper]

do you have ethical concerns about working at FAANG?

[atomic pivot]

Wonder if grokk is still worth it for me

[dry mural]

Now lads I have a quick question for y'all, should I make a sappy LinkedIn post LOL

I am connected with my old recruiters from the internships that were cancelled

[feral mantle]

Nope!
Not at all. Id absolutely take a FAANG offer, and im applying for them, I just dont see myself as competitive for those roles so Im investing more time into non-FAANG.

[flint halo]

yes

[vagrant raptor]

Talk about your first time walking into a Walmart 🙂

[dry mural]

LOL

[woven juniper]

oh I see. Idk I think you should still apply

[atomic pivot]

Hmm I’d only say I’m rusty on a few algos

[feral mantle]

Yes, Im still abs. applying. Im applying for everything.

[atomic pivot]

I did a decent amount of LC already

decent. Could be better

[worthy cedar]

just do leetcode contests once u have 2100 rating ur gud to go

[feral mantle]

whats grokking?

[arctic drift]

Just do codeforces and call it a day

[atomic pivot]

I wonder if I just need to review older patterns rather than getting an entire course

[worthy cedar]

@arctic drift i vouch this

[atomic pivot]

Yea been thinking about giving cf a shot

[high thunder]

^

[atomic pivot]

Gotta switch bw c++ and Python which might be annoying

[simple wyvern]

is it possible to get

100% of salary paid in stocks

so u dont pay taxes

[high thunder]

you will eventually pay taxes.

[copper fractal]

Dont you pay taxes on stocks after a certain point?

[tired bay]

Yeah selling stocks ends in taxes

[high thunder]

receiving stocks can be income as well

then you pay capital gains on the profit

[simple wyvern]

yeah but u pay

[high thunder]

els,e you pay capital gains on the whole thing ...

[simple wyvern]

0 to 20% on long term capital gains tax

compared to up to 40%

[high thunder]

if it makes u feel better

[simple wyvern]

with state tax + social security + federal + etc

[copper fractal]

I mean it will be hard to find an employer willing to do that for you

because you will also devalue there stock

[high thunder]

as you move up, your comp will be more and more stock

and slower growth n salary

[simple wyvern]

i mean yah of course

just seems smarter

to get paid in stocks

and not pay taxes

[tired bay]

Just cause capital gains tax is better now doesn’t mean it will always be like that

[simple wyvern]

as long as companies are stable

i mean i doubt

there comes a time where

[atomic pivot]

what if u have expenses now lol

[copper fractal]

Also what if the company becomes worth less?

[simple wyvern]

it goes to a level to match

income tax

i mean safe companies

like amazon

i guess u have to use ur judgment

but if i work at aapl

im expecting my stock options to grow

[copper fractal]

I think they also have to pay you at least minimum wage

[simple wyvern]

even tho it is at 2t

hmm that's true

[copper fractal]

so you could probably get majority stock

[simple wyvern]

yeah minimum wage for sure

i didn't think of that

but u make like 10k with that?

[atomic pivot]

should be over

[simple wyvern]

how is zucc getting paid a dollar then

he doesn't make minimum wage lul

[copper fractal]

he isnt an employee

Like if you found a company you can choose whether to pay yourself a salary or not

[simple wyvern]

hmm okay

[unkempt echo]

RSU is counted as ordinary income..

its ordinary income on vest date, any gains you receive from holding it thereafter is subject to capital gains tax

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/tax/09/restricted-stock-tax.asp

[simple wyvern]

hmm okay

makes sense

[unkempt echo]

so cash is always strictly better

[dry mural]

hold your stocks lads

[simple wyvern]

can't u buy

stocks at reduced rates tho

[unkempt echo]

depends on your company, but EPP is taxed differently and is also covered in the linked article

[dry mural]

Yeah you can at some

[simple wyvern]

so its basically normal income i guess

[dry mural]

Walmart let’s you buy stocks on top of RSU

[simple wyvern]

that u can't sell instantly for cash

without taking al oss

[vapid river]

Anyone got a renege template

[cerulean pivot]

im sure @calm cove has one

[calm cove]

xD

ye one sec

[daring bough]

.

[calm cove]

Hey <Recruiter>,

Unfortunately, some extenuating circumstances arose recently that will prevent me from taking part in the <Company> summer internship program this year. I want to make it clear that I could not have predicted this would happen during the time I had to consider my offer.

I understand that <Company> has likely made financial and logistical decisions based upon the expectation that I would be following through on the acceptance of my offer, and therefore I feel it's necessary to formally apologize for any inconveniences I have caused as a result of this.

I want to thank you personally for helping me along this processes and also apologize if this in any way negatively affects your situation as my recruiter.

I genuinely hope we can work together in the future, and I have nothing but positive things to say about <Company>'s internship process. I will continue recommending my peers to apply to your company, and I wish you all the best in the future.

Thank you again,
<Heartless reneging bastard>

[daring bough]

this is pretty good

[ornate charm]

Is palantir OA automated?

[vapid river]

@calm cove thanks bro, das legit

[cerulean pivot]

I genuinely hope we can work together in the future

l00000000000l

[calm cove]

and it worked

[cerulean pivot]

what do u mean it worked lol

[calm cove]

he told me to reach out and they'd love to have me

[cerulean pivot]

l0l

did u get on that phone call with them

i dont remember

[calm cove]

yes

[cerulean pivot]

and did u end up telling them where u went

[calm cove]

he was chill and understanding, yes

[cerulean pivot]

im ucf IT

20/20

[daring bough]

[calm cove]

im ucf CS

[cerulean pivot]

unlucky

[unkempt echo]

canvas

triggered

[cerulean pivot]

u know u can search on google

course content on canvas

[grave gull]

<Heartless reneging bastard>```

para is goat

[wind acorn]

would y'all consider a remote permanent position

if given the option?

or would you rather want the office life

[terse umbra]

office personally

[vocal carbon]

no not at all

[spring verge]

office while young, would probably really value remote when I'm older

[vocal carbon]

that was one of the key things i was looking for when looking for jobs this year

as it takes out a lot of work-for-US-companies-from-canada options. But the option to work remote when you want is pretty nice and common in smaller companies

[digital carbon]

Man I wish every recruiter was like that. When turning down the second offer I got from palantir, the recruiter was like "yea you prob won't be able to work here for a while"

[digital carbon]

Nah office life is good at tech companies

[calm cove]

probably more to do with the company policy than the recruiter

[unkempt echo]

i mean it makes sense if you've turned down two of their offers lol

[digital carbon]

So if I turn down an offer I can't work there anymore, but someone who reneges doesn't face the same consequence. Got it, thanks.

No talking about para's case

[unkempt echo]

yeah if you turn down two offers from an unprofitable company they're prob not gonna wanna put in the expensive investment in recruiting you again

[digital carbon]

For whatever they reneged lol

Yea I understand it from palantir's perspective

That's fair

Wait what company did they renege

Cuz idk

Oh ok nvm then

[vocal carbon]

Recruiting is surprisingly super expensive too, I was talking to a recruiter and their average cost for candidates who did the entire cycle (did final round) was around $3k or something

[calm cove]

It was JPMC

[digital carbon]

is that like the cost of flying people out and putting them in hotels?

[cursive loom]

i mean this szn it should be p cheap, right?

[digital carbon]

because honestly the bigger "cost" is the time taken from engineers to do interviews

[vocal carbon]

No just the compensation etc for interviewers etc

[digital carbon]

gotcha

[cursive loom]

ah

makes sense

[vocal carbon]

She mentioned cost is higher during non-covid as they fly people over and have hotels etc then

[unkempt echo]

@cursive loom leav

[cursive loom]

wtf

[unkempt echo]

outt

[cursive loom]

ok

[unkempt echo]

shoo

[cursive loom]

😦

[marble pond]

no more flying ppl out?

[unkempt echo]

sucks to not get the flight perks and food perks but honestly virtual onsites have been so much easier and more convenient imho

[vocal carbon]

Worst is when you miss out on the travel to different offices they promise for their training

[ornate charm]

Anyone taken typosquat palantir OA?

[steep oriole]

Hey guys, have you heard anything from Factset?

I took a Hackerrank codepair like 8 weeks ago and I haven't heard since. My friend (who took that interview as well) got rejected a month ago. I haven't been able to locate anyone who's gotten an offer from them either.

[stoic yoke]

One thing that I think isn't emphasized enough is that each company has a different culture and mentality regarding things like negotiating, reneging, rejecting offer, etc. So something that is perfectly fine for one company can be taboo for another. So before you follow the advice of some highly recommended blog or some upvoted post on social media, do your homework and be careful. There is no such thing as one size fits all

[rose rivet]

anyone have the tiktok phone interview yet?

[worthy lake]

I heard the tik tok QA was hard af

[old trail]

i think a lot of ppl over reacted ngl, if you went with simpler solutions that didnt pass all test cases it was quite doable

last question was pretty hard tbf

i got the phone round but didnt 100% all the test cases

[worthy lake]

Oh so u don't need to pass all of the test cases?

I never got it; was just asking for curiosity

[visual lagoon]

For OAs, you don't NEED to pass all the test cases to be invited to the next step. Some people get rejected after passing all, and some people move to the next step without passing all test cases. But of course, passing more cases are better than passing less.

[worthy lake]

Yeah like for Amazon u don't need to pass all of them

Especially the first QA

[patent trail]

Does anyone know how many system design rounds are there in OCI for a Senior Software Engineer position?

[digital carbon]

Realistically, almost no one here would know. We're all new grads.

[visual lagoon]

^ This channel is under "NEW GRADS" section

Speaking of which, this places is mostly for interns and new grads despite the title suggests it's supposed to be a place for any level of cs careers

[vapid river]

Banish him

[mystic mica]

Does anyone who has gotten the TikTok phone screen want to study the bytedance list on LC together? I've never seen a more painful list in my life

[latent cipher]

send an email reneging yesterday and the recruiter asked to call

im stressing

[digital ridge]

Anyone has any idea about the process for tiktok? In the email, it says to expect 3 technical round of 45-60min each. Are these 3 rounds like pre-screen or is that the entire process?

[tall wadi]

Can someone got the Rejection email as well after TikTok OA?

[urban hemlock]

Are ppl still interviewing after accepting an offer they like

[tidal lynx]

does indeed call to reject?

[lucid pagoda]

@tidal lynx I'm not sure how far you were in the process, but I got an email after karat and my homie got a call after final. Both rejected.

[tidal lynx]

@lucid pagoda ty, its after final so not sure what to expect

[real walrus]

which company u renege?

[latent cipher]

@real walrus morgan stanley (summer internship). but the call was totally fine she wasn’t mad

[lunar crypt]

anyone have opinions on JPMC vs Fidelity?

[tired bay]

I personally think JPMC is more tech driven

[digital carbon]

do you know what kind of work you'd be doing at each?

[lunar crypt]

I’d be doing full stack stuff according to the recruiter at Fidelity, but JPMC says it’d be team dependent and I’d have to speak to a program manager first

[digital carbon]

gotcha. I'd imagine JP would have you do full stack work as well since that's pretty common at internships in general

and yea I agree with balakay that JP seems more tech driven

so I'd go with JP mostly for that reason (without having any other info/context)

[dry mural]

jpm uses a lot of react

and python

id go with JP as well

[digital carbon]

oh interesting, I thought banks would be more into angular

[daring crypt]

this for fidelity leap?

[mellow vault]

Does anyone have a format for letting your recruiter know you have another deadline

[lunar crypt]

@daring crypt yep

[daring crypt]

did you get an offer recently? had my final round there like 3 weeks ago

[lunar crypt]

yeah, just got a phone call from the recruiter today

[daring crypt]

then i'd say go with JPMC just so i can get that LEAP spot

lol, jk

don't know enough about JP to make a recommendation

[lunar crypt]

i interviewed back in late Oct

[daring crypt]

good to know. i was like first week of nov. they seem to be coming out slower than normal

[errant charm]

Anyone have taken a final stage with amazon?

Care to share any tips or anything that could help? Have one scheduled for in a bit over a week and im scared shitless 🙂

[empty crane]

Anyone had feedback session after final round with Expedia before???

[visual lagoon]

yes

[high thunder]

timeline for tiktok apply to OA ?

[exotic cave]

What are people's thoughts on joining an early stage startup as opposed to a larger company straight out of college?

[cerulean pivot]

how large?

[errant charm]

@exotic cave for me I'm applying now to big companies while still in college, if I land something, that's great otherwise I'll just go to a small company for a year and properly prepare for the big ones 🙃

[grave gull]

smol company r lit l0l

[cursive loom]

bro ur company is med size at least

[exotic cave]

@cerulean pivot 50 people ish

@errant charm that makes sense. I've heard arguments for both at this point

On one hand with a bigger more reputable company the credibility can really help you down the line

There's lots of mentorship opportunities and you are working on products that may reach millions if not billions of people. (If you are b2c at least)

[cerulean pivot]

yea engineers have more bandwidth to mentor when the company is already established

mentorship was a really big factor in my search

[exotic cave]

On the other hand, with a startup, you have a lot more ownership over the product and probably have a lot more horizontal and vertical mobility. So potentially more opportunity for early-career leadership

The tradeoff in the short term is probably less pay but long run some potentially valuable equity

Maybe same total comp but lower salary

And also less work life balance

[unkempt echo]

go for a big small company

[exotic cave]

Lmao

[unkempt echo]

good mix of mentorship and ownership

[exotic cave]

so a medium sized company lol

[unkempt echo]

nono

big small

[exotic cave]

Oh! Bigsmall of course - https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/bigsmall-gifts-private-ltd. haha. But for real, I don't know how to decide

@cerulean pivot If you could join a startup where mentorship was a priority would that sway you?

[cerulean pivot]

not really

it would be because i think whatever theyre doing is cool and want to contribute to what theyre doing

that would be top priority

but also something like mentorship is something that id want too

[exotic cave]

Yeah I definitely agree with that

[cerulean pivot]

i was interviewing with https://www.novacredit.com/

this is a company i would work at

but i wanted to go to big tech for a bit

they only have 60 employees

was a good size i think

[exotic cave]

Yea that makes sense. Mind if I private message you for specific advice?

[wind acorn]

nova credit has my heart

amazing company with awesome people

[spring verge]

I did not. Did you ask or did they schedule this with you?

[keen onyx]

Did anyone interview with Adobe?

[grave gull]

@unkempt echo is right

go for a big smol ccompany

it's better than medium company

because

big small > medium

[cursive loom]

ye

[grave gull]

u get the best of both worlds

[cursive loom]

that maths

[grave gull]

instead of being mediocre

[digital carbon]

also @exotic cave at a small company you'll probably become a good jack of all trades, whereas there is more room to specialize at larger companies, in case that's something that matters to you

[exotic cave]

Yea that's a good point too

[nocturne relic]

Anyone know anything about Machine Learning Engineer Interview w/ Tiktok/Bytedance? I got the same 3 hour email that I think they send out for SWE (no mention of ML questions), so are these coding rounds just standard hackerrank?

[old trail]

im applying standard SWE but its only a 1hr phone interview

I'm pretty sure its a standard technical interview on hackerrank with an engineer

[nocturne relic]

Yea that's what it looks like, they want 3 interviews 1 he each though

They also specified an engineer from china, so hopefully there's no language barrier..

[mystic mica]

gg lmao. I think if you check glassdoor people have reported that sometimes there are communication issues as a result of getting some chinese engineer ;/

[rustic ruin]

the two interviews I had with chinese engineers was fine, they both did undergrad/grad school in the us

[mystic mica]

They were based in the US office right? Cus that's not an issue, but I've heard they sometimes have you interview with someone who is physically in one of their China locations

[rustic ruin]

nah based in beijing my interview was 10 pm LMAO

[mystic mica]

oh LOL rip

[old trail]

interesting how its a diff process for ML, is this the round right after OA?

[mystic mica]

I've heard some new grads get 2 coding, 1 sys design, 1 HR, others get 2 coding, 1 HR,

[nocturne relic]

Hmm actually I misunderstood lol..im supposed to give 3 time blocks but it's just one hour

[mystic mica]

I think you need to give at least 3 time slots, and they'll get back to you with a confirmation for a single 1 hr round

afaik they schedule the rounds separately

it's not like a single superday where you have multiple rounds all in a day

if you pass the first round they will schedule the next afterwards

if you don't then that's it they'll just give you the L

[nocturne relic]

Yeah they already scheduled it for 7pm Wednesday

Next week luckily...had them push it until after finals

[mystic mica]

glgl

the LC list for bytedance looks mad hard

[old trail]

ok seems like its the same process then

[nocturne relic]

Ty

[late kindle]

Anyone else get no response from TikTok? Like not even a rejection? I missed like 3 test cases each for problems 2~4. I don't know if I should be hopeful

[true thicket]

Anyone had intuit final round for full time sde? Hope to know what to expect

[spice belfry]

any internationals get an oa for tik tok?

[late kindle]

me

[feral mantle]

Hows the HireVue thing from JP morgan?

[visual lagoon]

You just explain your own code

[feral mantle]

how hard are the problems @visual lagoon?

[visual lagoon]

easy - med

[gleaming sigil]

Wen u took karat for intuit

[earnest mist]

Did anyone get a phone interview for tiktok full stack?

[mystic mica]

not full stack but back end

[keen onyx]

Anyone interviewed with Adobe ?

[acoustic venture]

I think this was asked before but didn't receive a response. Does JPMC sponsor?

[tired bay]

No they don’t

[true thicket]

Last Friday

[rustic ruin]

anyone interview hrt algo dev?

!questions

[warm jolt]

Can Anyone that got an offer from GM Pm me

[limber harness]

Was anyone able to fast track Bloomberg's interview process? I had my first round yesterday and an offer deadline in a couple of weeks

[raw belfry]

could just mail the recruiter about it

[limber harness]

I don't have any recruiter's email yet, everything his just been through their portal

[raw belfry]

you had your first round right? Did anyone contact you for that?

was there any poc for that?

[worthy spear]

yo if bloomberg doesn't pass you automatically to the HR round after your second tech interview, does it mean you failed? 👀

they said you should hear back from HR within a week about next steps, so I'm assuming I failed

[raw belfry]

I dont think that is really the case. wait for it

[worthy spear]

noice

[dry mural]

Who here took Walmart offer?

[limber harness]

nope, the interviewer just called me and that was it

[tired bay]

There is a generic email though @limber harness

[raw belfry]

No email id at all? maybe call him / message him them

then*

[limber harness]

okay yea ill try messaging her and sending an email to the general bloomberg recruitment email address

thanks!

[raw belfry]

great.. all the best

[harsh loom]

Yup

[keen onyx]

Can I DM you?

[stone monolith]

damn someone got an offer at BAH

lit

[harsh loom]

Yeah go ahead!

[crimson shale]

any tips for IBM backend and/or cognitive developer OAs?

[supple fjord]

what do i put as the subject title of an email to renege

[rose narwhal]

Anybody gave Microsoft phone interview recently? Do they send the codility link beforehand? Or after they call you?

[keen onyx]

noreply

[supple fjord]

wat

jk i did it

[dry mural]

Anyone here take Walmart offer?

[rustic ruin]

anyone know anyone who did the new grad algo dev final?

[spring verge]

Anyone that's interviewing with Redfin know how long they take to get back?

[ornate charm]

Hey folks, How’s Palantir phone interview?

[royal abyss]

anyone completed tik tok oa on 22nd nov and waiting for a response?

[stuck hull]

Are there rounds after Bloomberg Virtual Onsite?

[atomic pivot]

skipping question 3 on codesignal is the move

I just got 800+ cause i yeeted question 4

[terse umbra]

on my last code signal q3 was way easier than q4 tho

is q4 worth more poitns than q3 or something

i still dont know how code signal generates the scores

[strange moth]

just do all of them lmao

[atomic pivot]

It’s Bc my Q4 was a lot easier than my Q3

So I just submitted it

[terse umbra]

damn wtf

my q4 was way harder so i did 1 2 and 3 and got half thee cases for q4

and got sub 800

[atomic pivot]

I figured out a graph solution thats why

Q3 was a matrix that I didn’t bother with

[terse umbra]

honestly code signal seems to generate their scores in a really weird way

[atomic pivot]

Yea so if you have no idea the speed thing is taken into account

Like doing Q3 would maybe take me at least 20min

[zinc knoll]

Last round is the HR + hiring manager

[stark otter]

bruh

i did q3 on my code signal

missed a couple testcase on my q2 and all hidden on q4 TLE

770

[terse umbra]

code signal grading is so arbitrary

[arctic drift]

no it's not lol

[stark otter]

my friend skipped on q3 totally and got 812

[old trail]

https://codesignal.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/general-coding-assessment-framework.pdf

@terse umbra

[terse umbra]

oh ive never seen these

[stark otter]

so is square even touching scores below 800

[heady kindle]

For everyone who got offers, what’s the general start date they give? Or can you pick a start date? I’m thinking of taking extra credits and graduating by December, would I be able to apply to 2021 roles?

[visual lagoon]

Usually 2021 new grads roles target people graduating 2021 May/June

[tired bay]

Depends on company some let u start in Jan/Feb others might say something in May-August range

[vapid river]

I'm graduating this month and all my offers gave me start positions job jan/feb

In*

[digital carbon]

it's not arbitrary but it sure is dumb lmao

[arctic drift]

there's a big diff btwn arbitrary and dumb though

[digital carbon]

I agree

but it's kinda in the same sentiment of people saying how much rng there is in recruiting

I'm sure most people don't know how codesignal does their grading, so it really might seem arbitrary

[arctic drift]

that's fair

tbf recruiting does have a lot of rng tho

[digital carbon]

It does unfortunately

[white mesa]

without rng working in my favor I would be destitute lol

[terse umbra]

this ^ I actually was not aware of the grading scale/documents you guys showed me until today so after seeing how I got 3.5/4 of the questions and others got the same but their scores were over 800 and mine was sub it seemed arbitrary

[autumn lynx]

has anyone even heard back from Square?

[atomic pivot]

yea it def seemed arbitrary for the first assessment I did and I got sub 700. I knew what to look for now and I did great the second time around

it's frankly not a great process tho lol

[terse umbra]

i wish i knew about that before i did my most recent code signal :/

[white mesa]

and so the cycle of gamifying metrics to render them meaningless continues

[acoustic venture]

suggestions for what to write when reaching out to a recruiter from last year for getting a referral for new grad this year. I had an intern offer from them but rejected because I had already accepted at another place. This is kind of why I am not sure how to reach out to them for a referral.

[old trail]

anyone do their tiktok phone interview yet?

[plain crescent]

just did mine

2 medium alg questions

my interviewer was straight up not paying attention

i got both the questions but who knows how thisll go 🤷‍♂️

[native saffron]

When did you do the phone? Have you received any update?

[plain crescent]

earlier today

[native saffron]

well

I did mine yesterday. No update.

[mystic mica]

1000% dependent on resume, although I'm sure diff companies have diff cutoffs

I got 843 for Robinhood with a reject but people moved on with like a 760

[stark otter]

god damn

843

any lc advice ?

[unkempt echo]

do more

[stuck dagger]

total 3 rounds then offer stage

[stuck dagger]

just did mine this afternoon, and got the next step invitation in 10 mins after the interview

[digital ridge]

Thanks !

[digital ridge]

Wow, that’s awesome. How was your interview?

[stuck dagger]

20 mins for resume + 20mins cs/alg fundamentals + 20 mins easy lc problem + 2 follow ups

title is SDE data platform NG

[digital ridge]

Thanks!

[royal quartz]

@stuck dagger what do u mean by cs/alg fundamentals?

like software stuff?

[honest jewel]

Wait do most new grad positions ask system design or just DSA?

[old trail]

its more rare only some companies

[balmy depot]

anyone have any tips to get a response from roblox? Sent them 3 emails so far, they blew through my first deadline, and I'm about hit my second. I even had a friend at the company poke them internally.

I figure I'm prob rejected, but just really want a response before I accept someone else

debating messaging a recruiter on linkedin, but that seems so extra

[turbid anchor]

If you have their phone number

try calling lol

@balmy depot I was in a similar situation, urgent deadline and they got the offer like last minute

I think some sign offs for offers take some time

[balmy depot]

makes sense, did you actually have their phone number? All I've got is the generic university recruiting email + 2 recruiters emails

good to head you got one last minute though! provides some hope

[turbid anchor]

The recruiter setup a call with me so that's why I had their number lol

I pestered them a lot the closer it got lol

[balmy depot]

ahh, yeah mine have literally never responded to my emails since the final....

[woven juniper]

same situation ignored my first offer deadline and now we are approaching the second

[balmy depot]

Rip :’(

Did you ever get any response/a knowledge moment of your emails?

I did end up messaging two recruiters on LinkedIn

[spring verge]

reneg if you need to

companies will drop you as soon as they don't need you

evidenced by the pandemic

[woven juniper]

nope, we will see if they do 🥺 hasn't been too long since i emailed and messaged on linkedin

[balmy depot]

Jeez, well best of luck to you!

Hopefully we both get the coveted Roblox reply

[dark jewel]

i literally don't understand why people are so hard for roblox

[dark jewel]

overevalued af

they're trying to IPO at 8B

for context, valve, the maker of steam, is only valued at 10B

[old trail]

$200k+ TC newgrad

ignoring stock its still $165k

[real walrus]

$200k stock is insane

[undone pollen]

lmaoooooooo perfect codesignal but still didnt get an 850

[high thunder]

pog

[mellow vault]

Should I mention the specific offer deadline in an email to another company informing them of the deadline?

[stark otter]

if you want them to hurry up then yes

[royal mango]

Anybody interviewed at Bloomberg recently?

[proud thunder]

Does anyone know if amz's new grad cooldown period is 6 months from the date of application or from the date of rejection?

[normal tide]

I think it's from the date of rejection

[stark otter]

so they are just going to ghost me till jan and then reject me so the 6 month wait in period means i can not apply again before i graduate

[unkempt echo]

templates for asking for offer extension?

[latent cipher]

@unkempt echo Hi (recruiter), Thank you so much for calling & offering me an internship/new graduate position for next summer! I’m incredibly excited to have the opportunity to work at (company)! However, I would greatly appreciate having a little bit more time to weigh my options and fully be able to commit to (company). Would it be possible to extend my offer acceptance deadline to (new deadline) in lieu of (current deadline)? I understand if this is not possible, but I would strongly prefer an extra week to make a decision. Again, thank you for the offer! Best, (name)

I sent this last year and it worked

[twin widget]

I did

[unkempt echo]

t y

[mystic mica]

IBM recruiter emails me like 4 months after I take the OA

maybe I have hope for VMWare to reach back out in the Spring

[terse umbra]

a recruiter connected w me on linkedin but didn't respond to the note I attached to the request which was basically asking if it was possible to start interviewing. it's been about a week should I message her again? if so what should i say

[orchid ibex]

how many new grads are still waiting on roblox?

[rocky spoke]

has anyone ever been asked to show proof of competing offers, existing final interviews, etc when negotiating an offer?

[high thunder]

one time i gave numbers

cause the campus offer was set and it wouldnt lower theirs

[spring verge]

how does a screenshot help them can't we just edit a screenshot and make the salary higher idk

[silver bone]

Anyone have any idea of Duolingo New Grad TC?

Things like Glassdoor never include the options.

[cerulean pivot]

https://leetcode.com/discuss/compensation/437503/Duolingo-or-SWE-or-November-2019-or-Pittsburgh-PA/

this is L4 though @silver bone

oh

(negotiated up from 130k base and 200k equity, 13k bonus, SDE 1 to SDE 2)

130k base 200k equity for l3

[steel drum]

I got an email from Amazon which says. "your Application for SDE 2021 role is incomplete, did u change your mind or forget to click submit?"

But in the portal, the status says application submitted. Is it usual to get like this ?

[rocky spoke]

Ok thanks for that info guys

[wide solar]

@steel drum I got that too.

[steel drum]

Yea

[sinful hawk]

^same

[azure gull]

Anyone get a full time offer from ibm? How long did it take to get the offer after final round interview? Starting to lose hope here 😔

[random carbon]

anyone still in jpmc process?

[subtle helm]

Me too lmao. Was this for the entry level devops role?

[subtle helm]

I have a phone screen coming up at IBM. How did the rest of the process look like?

[royal moon]

i think this is illegal

[azure gull]

I never had a recruiter phone screen, I had a 1 hour interview with the manager, and two 1 hour interviews with two engineers on the team

[subtle helm]

Huh I see. What kind of questions were you asked? Lc easy-med?

[azure gull]

Surprisingly I didn’t get asked to code at all which was very strange

[earnest mist]

Guys did anyone do tiktok interview for full stack? If so what type of questions did they ask? Will practising byte dance tagged questions on leetcode help?

[subtle helm]

That actually is pretty strange. Were you just asked about CS concepts?

[azure gull]

Yeah, but the interview came with a hackerrank codepair link, my interviewer chose not to use it. I’m sure with other interviewers you’ll be asked leetcode

[royal moon]

Has anyone received a Pinterest new grad offer?

[sage grotto]

Anyone got a mail from two sigma for location preference?

[rapid geyser]

@sage grotto I did

[stuck hull]

Dang, shouldn’t they be done with recruiting already

[sage grotto]

Dang, shouldn’t they be done with recruiting already
@stuck hull yeah exactly

Know anything about which location still has slots open?

[iron gate]

damn after 4 months after applying two sigma just sent me a location pref form

i didnt realize they were still interviewing

[sleek ingot]

got the same

[cloud grove]

anyone gave tiktok interview this week?

[mystic mica]

Entry lvl backend

[timber flame]

has anyone had IBM first round of interview for New Grad 2021 - BackEnd ? It's 1.5 hour interview. What do they focus on ? Thanks.

[rustic ruin]

anyone have experience with kleiner perkins semi final?

[subtle helm]

Ah nice nice

[subtle helm]

That's interesting. Welp, I might as well expect to do some LC haha

[mystic mica]

that's what I'm gonna do. a lot of the questions are..kinda hard lmao

[sullen forge]

Any idea about company HERE ?

[snow canopy]

What companies are still hiring with TC above $150k

[tiny wedge]

McDonalds

[rose narwhal]

Anybody gave Microsoft phone interview for new grad? How long does it take to know the results?

[cerulean pivot]

took 2 weeks for me

[vapid river]

Did u get sys design for the final round @cerulean pivot

[cerulean pivot]

i canceled my final rioudn

[real walrus]

your best bet is to apply to internships and get FT offer right after, which numerous companies are offering

[crimson shale]

anyone done the wonderlic test before?

seems to be some intelligence test

[full shore]

yeah at the 2014 nfl draft

[uneven pasture]

that's how i ended up being drafted by the broncos

i scored a 49 on my wonderlic

[rose narwhal]

Ok
Recruiter kept saying 3-5 weeks
I was wondering if I already got rejected lol

[cerulean pivot]

they just say 3-5 weeks as a default

[rose narwhal]

Why? Got a better offer somewhere?

[cerulean pivot]

ya

[molten tapir]

@silver bone congrats on IBM dude!

[worthy spear]

Anybody received offers for Walmart?

[visual lagoon]

I'm still waiting. When was your final interview?

[worthy spear]

My Final round was on Oct 29th @visual lagoon

[visual lagoon]

And you haven't heard back?

[worthy spear]

I did just yesterday and am looking to connect with people who received offers from them

[visual lagoon]

Oh nice. I saw some people reporting in #2021_grad_process . You should be able to use the search function to find them easily

[worthy spear]

Thank you for the tip👍 .. I'll do that..

[azure gull]

after

[spice belfry]

such as where?

[heavy dust]

has anyone done the amazon debugging OA?

[crimson shale]

a significant part of the server probably has, its a 7 part test - usually need to just flip a sign, change from min to max, etc. should not be making significant changes. biggest problem is time

[restive cairn]

anyone heard back for dropbox new grad here?

🤔

[limpid aspen]

anyone know anything about leidos?

[real walrus]

You can refer to the Pitt github on this discord

[vagrant belfry]

Just had a technical interview and bombed a really easy question lol

[harsh loom]

Anyone gone through Bloomberg process that I can dm with some questions?

[digital ridge]

Dropbox opened new grad?

[rocky spoke]

Do most big tech companies give annual performance bonuses?

[compact hazel]

@rocky spoke i think as long as the performance is decent they will get bonuses. However, each big tech company gives different amounts. For example from what I hear is that Google stock refreshers are fairly high. Other big tech companies give some sort of bonus and that's it or a little bit of stock

[rocky spoke]

got it, thanks

[dry mural]

Hey if anyone took the Walmart offer this year, pm me and i'll invite you to a discord group for Walmart ppl!

[tired bay]

Like u graduate in August 2021?

[vagrant raptor]

ur 2022 new grad

you are a new grad if you're < 1 year after grad

[tired bay]

Yeah you will be in camp that will want Dec-Feb start for 2022

[rocky spoke]

I JUST SIGNED MY VERILY OFFER

[wind acorn]

pog

[rocky spoke]

about to get absolutely shitfaced now. THANK YOU EVERYONE IN THIS CHANNEL!!

[wind acorn]

@rocky spoke congrats

[atomic pivot]

@rocky spoke grats! 🙂

[crimson shale]

confluent application has a wonky question lol

[drowsy sentinel]

I'm guessing we should just leave that blank?

[rocky moon]

anyone just get an email from google asking to do a written assignment?

[vapid river]

how bout that orchard oa

[gleaming sigil]

How far is joining date negotiable when company has given a joining date in offer letter

[candid orchid]

I was wondering what people think of joining a small start up straight out of college? My issue is that I don't have a CS degree, I did physics but have been self teaching myself coding. Landing a job at a startup seems a lot easier but I don't know if it would hinder my career since the company will probably be unknown 😬

[spring verge]

in my experience startups are much pickier

[karmic jolt]

w/ physics, you can probably get interviews at Hedge funds or quant roles in banks

faang companies also are usually willing to take more chances from waht i've experienced

[mystic mica]

big companies are more willing to take chances

because they have more resources to spend on hiring massive amounts of people every year

with a startup (not saying they don't take chances but it's just less likely) they can't afford to have a bad hire cus it directly impacts the product/whatever they're working on more substantially so they usually try to hire in smaller batches but with more focus on every candidate

[candid orchid]

I've been having little success with larger companies and I find having to do the same coding interviews as people who have 4+ years of CS experience from their degree quite daunting. Im currently really far through the application process with a start-up right now and its the closest ive gotten to landing something

the process has been pretty strenuous though, given a technical assignment with like a whole weeks worth of work to do

[mystic mica]

Hmm

[candid orchid]

doesnt help that job searching is so tough rn so I dont know what to base it off :(((

[mystic mica]

that's partially why, as bad as LC grinding is, I think at least there's consistency. Giving assignments with like a weeks worth of work is kinda shitty imo

did you already graduate? or will you graduate next year

[silver bone]

role?

[candid orchid]

graduated in the Summer there (ik this says 2021 grads)

[mystic mica]

like this past summer?

[candid orchid]

yeah

[quick panther]

depends on size of start up?

i'm going to a 200~250 person start up after grad in june

i think you'll learn way more than at a larger company

[zinc knoll]

I'm in the exact same position with Last term August 2021, convocation Oct 2021 but I've been applying to 2021 new grad positions and just telling companies my grad date in applications + when HR asks. Some companies will still be okay with it

[worthy spear]

Hey y'all,

This isn't a swe position but if anyone is interested

https://careers.google.com/jobs/results/141422190760207046/

[old trail]

is there a google sheet for the #new_grad_salary_sharing data ?

[old trail]

@cerulean pivot ^

[rocky moon]

Cloud technical residency program

[gleaming sigil]

How far is joining date negotiable for new grads

[dry mural]

my mentor who graduated a few years before us

moved his MSFT start date to janaury of the next year

then took a JPL contract employment from june-> december so he could wait for s/o to graduate

[pine parrot]

Anyone done on site at Gemini or opploans?

[rocky moon]

ya

austin

[cunning needle]

Has anyone interviewed at Peloton Interactive?

[spiral glade]

Hi guys, I just received an offer for the role of "Software Engineer" from Nvidia
And it seems like I'll either be working on their GPU side or Tegra (mobile gpu stuff)
I was wondering if I will be able to switch to a more common software engineering role like full stack or backend after working at nvidia for a while

I am not sure if I will enjoy this work, so I definitely want to be able to explore backend/full stack etc in the future if this does not work out after some time

What do you guys think?
Any thoughts on would be great

[high thunder]

What do you find most interesting

[digital carbon]

If it doesn't work out, you could switch internally to a team that works more on backend or full-stack

that way you'll have the skills you want by the time you want to change companies entirely

ofc, freedom to move internally depends a lot on company culture

[spiral glade]

It sounds interesting, and I definitely want to explore it
With more experience with low level language, can possibly apply to Quant places in the future maybe
And yes, could definitely switch roles/teams after a while within the company, which Nvidia offers
Thanks for your inputs guys

[astral summit]

Can someone in the interview process with Freddie Mac tel me how long after you applied they got back to you?

[drowsy sentinel]

Has anyone taken The Trade Desk OA? Does it really take the full four hours?

[azure gull]

Has anyone gotten a full time offer from ibm? How long did it take after the final round interview?

[wind acorn]

fwiw I heard IBM's recruiting in general is really messy

do you have recruiter contact @azure gull ? Would follow-up if it's been more than 2 weeks.

[azure gull]

It’s been 8 business days so far hehe

[azure gull]

By two weeks do you mean 10 business days or actual 2 weeks lol

Wait that’s literally the same thing lmaooo nevermind silly me

[mortal summit]

recently got the tiktok data analyst coding challenge, wondering if you guys would actually choose to work there?

lots have spoken about the 9-9, 6 days a week culture, and just in general where the company stands in the US, so wondering what everyone's thoughts are and if it's worth going through the process

[cerulean pivot]

would have to see the team im working on

/ the ppl

on that team

[mortal summit]

fair

[cerulean pivot]

im not denying that those experiences arent valid but the ppl that have a good/normal experience probably arent boasting on blind about it

so it doesnt really paint the whole picture

that goes for like any company of decent size lol

[mortal summit]

yeah, I totally get that side of the story

will probs have to ask someone that actually works there as you said

no really other way to find out

[cerulean pivot]

well asking someone isnt enough

they could be placed on a really chill/non intense team

like in the ideal world u wanna be able to talk to the hiring manager/engineer on that team

[mortal summit]

true, yeah

[cerulean pivot]

but if ur not able to do that, then reaching out to engineers is a good next step

assuming u get the offer and ur placed on a team at the time of receiving an offer, it isnt abnormal to ask to have a 1:1 with someone on that team

[mortal summit]

gotchu

got hella steps to go through before that point anyway, will see how the OA goes first lmao

[errant charm]

Guys do you know how many times per year companies hire for new grads?

Graduating around August 2021

I know they usually hire Sept-Dec for next year summer/sept-dec

[wind acorn]

you can apply to entry level (which are posted year-round but harder to come by imo). entry level is typically for people with <2 yoe

new grad is the same as entry level the only difference is that new grad hiring has a start date way in the future

although "top" tech companies typically have their recruiting cycle earlier (in the fall), there are new grad positions posted all the way up until summer (at least in previous years, idk how COVID will affect this though)

[errant charm]

Thanks for the detailed answers 🙂

[mystic mica]

they only have 48 engineers in their US office, but they're trying to do a big hiring spree so I think any vestiges of 996 from the OG engineers will be diluted, hopefully

I asked about wlb in my recruiter call and she mentioned that they're trying to have the US office be self-contained/"sufficient", so moving away from needing to have constant meetings with people from their China offices, etc.

[spring verge]

How does equity at private companies worth? Can you even sell it if they're not publicly traded?

[digital carbon]

I think you can sometimes sell on secondary markets? But usually it's not gonna be worth much until the company starts being profitable and IPOs

[spring verge]

interesting

for stripe for example it says they give 70k worth of stock

and they've said they don't plan on going public anytime soon from what I've seen

[digital carbon]

Ohh interesting

Yea I don't really know how private equity works but I'm sure stripe stock would actually be worth something lol

[wind acorn]

very very rarely can you actually sell on secondary markets

it typically violates company by-laws

[digital carbon]

Gotcha, yea ignore me then LOL

[spring verge]

bro so is this like fake money if they never IPO

[wind acorn]

^ yeah treat equity at pre-ipo companies as $0

[spring verge]

levels is pretty misleading then for private companies if that's true

[digital carbon]

That would kinda suck, to join one of the top unicorns but not being able to exercise a big part of the TC

[wind acorn]

there's typically a period where if you leave before x years, you have to exercise options in y days/months/years/etc,.

so if you had $60k in options vested by that point, you would need to "buy" $60k worth of the company stock at the agreed upon strike price before that exercise period is up

if you don't exercise within that period, you're kind of out of luck and your options expire

[digital carbon]

So you mean if someone leaves after x years they get to keep the options?

[wind acorn]

when a company IPOs you do the same thing, you can exercise your options but you immediately buy and sell so you don't need the cash on hand

[wind acorn]

depends by company

some companies have an exercise period of x years after you've been at the company for y years and leave

it's important to realize options is literally just the company allowing you to buy stock at a previously agreed upon price (strike price)

[digital carbon]

Gotcha, interesting. And yea if the stock price doesn't go up then the options are kinda useless anyways

[wind acorn]

the duration of your right to exercise is defined by the company somewhere (it might not even be in an offer letter)

[wind acorn]

if the company doesn't IPO during your exercise period after you leave you're kind of caught in a hard place

you either:
a) lose your right to exercise your options
b) have to fork over cash and exercise your right even before the company goes public

[digital carbon]

Right

Yea I thought Stripe paid stacks lmao

But if a good chunk of it is paper money

Then rip

[wind acorn]

yeah :/

we don't know when stripe will IPO but it's def a safer bet given that it's a late stage startup

some startups have higher base pay to compensate for this paper money

it's pretty important to ask when evaluating offers about stuff like vesting schedule, exercise periods, company by-laws wrt equity, etc,. imo

equity at startups is super finicky i wish this stuff was more talked about/there were more resources on it

[digital carbon]

I'm glad I'll be paid entirely in cash

None of this stonks mumbo jumbo

[old trail]

but then you'll never be one of those employees that'll suddenly be a millionaire

when they ipo

stripe without stock options is still $150k yearly

[unkempt echo]

joining most*** unicorns isn't even risky

u get solid pay with very high upside

best of both worlds

[wind acorn]

for sure stripe's comp even w/o options is still insane pog money

also take everything i said with a grain of salt since all companies are different w/ their terms.

if a late stage company's exercise period is like 10 years then it's highly unlikely they won't IPO/be acquired before then

[digital carbon]

🤷‍♂️ that's almost like hitting the lottery, no one can know exactly when a company will IPO or how it'll do

But yea I agree, if the base salary is good then it's not that risky

[old trail]

yea thats the risk of joining a start up, which is why the hype unicorns are what everyone's going for

since they're usually on track to IPO

[wind acorn]

dude think about how many chipotle bowls w/ guac you can get with 150k

holy

[old trail]

also while you're young its often better to take more risks w stocks in general

[vagrant raptor]

post tax tho?

[old trail]

you have the rest of your life to play it safe

[wind acorn]

150k pre tax is still baller money even in a high COL like SF

[vagrant raptor]

chipotle everyday 😊

[digital carbon]

People's individual circumstances could affect the ability to take risks, but in general yea

[old trail]

if you're individual circumstances stay the same as you age it still makes more sense to take risks while younger

[digital carbon]

I'll give an example

I'll be financially supporting my parents for the foreseeable future

Paying rent and basically everything else

So having the piece of mind of full cash comp is huge

It's the reason why I didn't take a palantir offer lol

[unkempt echo]

i think ideal time is mid to late 20's

not new grad

[digital carbon]

Before they bumped up RSUs to 220k over 4 yrs

[unkempt echo]

build up a bit of a nest egg first

there will always be a new hot startup

[digital carbon]

Yup, I'm hoping to save up enough to be able to take those risks eventually

But now is not the time, at least for me

[worthy cedar]

@digital carbon what company did u accept an offer with then?

[digital carbon]

Bloomberg

[old trail]

i mean in the end u still took a solid offer

u can still invest stocks with the money you earned

[digital carbon]

For sure

I was just giving my two cents that taking the risk to become a millionaire might not always be worth it depending on circumstances

[dusky robin]

Your point definitely makes sense since you are joining Bloomberg as well

Their full cash offer beat most stock offers anyways

So u can jus buy whatever public stock u want anyways

[mortal summit]

i've got a winter internship coming up, and ideally i want to return FT for them, and they said that they'll consider me for FT at the end of my term (feb-march), but i just received a different offer yesterday and there's no hard deadline but safe to assume they won't let me stretch it out to march, so i'm torn between what's the best course of action here

also, my winter internship will be my second internship at this company, if that's worth anything

any thoughts/suggestions would be helpful, thanks guys

[old trail]

If you like winter significantly more than current offer, just take current offer and renege

[mortal summit]

yeah, that's what most people I talked to have also said

things might get mixy if this current offer phone's up winter for a reference/background check

[old trail]

is the current offer a smaller company? they might not even call for a reference check

[mortal summit]

smaller company but they've been around for 10+ years

[orchid ibex]

You took Bloomberg over stripe?

Stripe has a 40B eval I’m sure they will ipo in about 4 years max

[uneven pasture]

i think he took bloomberg over palantir

which is perfectly fine since bb gives more liquid cash whereas palantir gives stock

tho their stock is really wack rn LOL

[mental frigate]

Is a company's stock going down a month before you join a good thing? Since it's probably going to go up

[obtuse stone]

@mental frigate a lot of companies decide your stock grant price from the month before so ya technically ur rooting for it to drop that one month and then go up

[gloomy temple]

even tho stripe has very large upside, they cap RSU growth so you can't benefit from the growth nearly as much

like instead of a one-time 4 year grant, they give a fixed dollar amount of stock at the end of every year

[rocky spoke]

how does the salary sharing bot work?

i msg it !commands but nothing happened

[cursive loom]

Do !salary company

!salary amazon

[feral marten]

https://www.levels.fyi/salary/Amazon/

[fast siren]

Any suggestions for preparing for Bloomberg phone interview besides doing lc tagged questions?

[mortal summit]

I had a bit manipulation question so I guess make sure to keep that in mind

[fast siren]

Is your advice not to focus on lc tagged?

[mortal summit]

nah, definitely focus on LC tagged

[fast siren]

Are there any general topics they like to go over?

[mortal summit]

I had one bit manip, and one from LC tagged

uhhh I'd say linked lists and arrays mostly

but obv I only did the phone screen, didn't get past that

[compact hazel]

in bloomberg, guy gave me number of islands. took me super fast to solve since it's the most common LC question. Got rejected. another friend struggled a lot through a question. Got further rounds. i would say regardless of how much you do leetcode, just maybe struggling through a question and figuering it out, helps you more than knowing it right away.

[digital carbon]

Yea if you know the solution but don't walk through your thought process then it doesn't help

I also got num islands in a bloomberg interview, knew it beforehand, and didn't have to artificially struggle through it

hmm I had gotten a couple questions I hadn't seen before and that weren't on blind 75

granted this was 2 years ago, so idk if the situation has changed recently

bb really likes stuff like trees, graphs, and linked lists for some reason lol

I got a doubly linked list problem in a final round lol

yea idk it's kinda weird because those types of problems aren't super common

[compact hazel]

i tried honestly haha

[digital verge]

Was it the flatten the doubly linkedlist question?

[digital carbon]

Nah mine was different, though the flattening one is common too

[digital verge]

Yeah its very common

Plus I havent practiced doubly linkedlist as a DS but I was still able to do it

So its not that bad

[atomic pivot]

https://leetcode.com/problems/flatten-a-multilevel-doubly-linked-list/

this question?

[digital carbon]

yes

[woven juniper]

has anyone heard back from Atlassian for new grad?

[fresh cloud]

Atlassian had new grad roles??

[dusky robin]

2/5 of mine were blind 75 for BB, with 4/5 being LC questions

So blind 75 def the best way to prep for BB ya

[atomic pivot]

i believe there was a pm new grad but didnt see a swe new grad

[vapid river]

anyone got advice for msft final?

[hasty igloo]

!salary TikTok

[feral marten]

Unable to locate data on Tiktok

[hasty igloo]

!salary Tik Tok

[feral marten]

Unable to locate data on Tik Tok

[digital carbon]

@hasty igloo try bytedance?

[hasty igloo]

!salary bytedance

[feral marten]

Unable to locate data on Bytedance

[mortal summit]

3 rounds?

[hasty igloo]

rip

[digital carbon]

lol

[mortal summit]

as in, 3 interviews? @vapid river

[digital carbon]

that's it guys, tiktok is nonexistent

[hasty igloo]

has anyone done interviews past the OA for tiktok

i have one in 4 hours with no idea what to expect

[atomic pivot]

on a sunday?

[hasty igloo]

yea at 10 pm lmfao

10pm est 7pm pacific

[digital carbon]

looks like they have some fantastic WLB

[hasty igloo]

yea i've heard its ass so im not too stressed about this interview

[atomic pivot]

did they even give u a choice

tf

[hasty igloo]

yea i also had the option for monday and tuesday same time range but i figured might as well do today

[mystic mica]

Ok so. This could be the case. But they only have 48 engineers in the US and my recruiter said they’re trying to do a huge hiring spree. So it might just be that they all have to spend a ton of extra time interviewing.

I could be wrong and they could actually just be working 996

But besides that idk why their interviews are so late either

[digital carbon]

ya I was being sarcastic lol

I think you've mentioned that they're trying not to emulate 996 in the US office

[digital carbon]

I was thinking maybe because they have so few engineers and (presumably) a lot to do, they can't afford to spend working hours interviewing

[mystic mica]

Yeah that’s what I think as well

Seems more plausible than 996 lol

[digital carbon]

for sure haha

[azure gull]

!Salary IBM

[feral marten]

Unable to locate data on Ibm

[old trail]

@hasty igloo https://www.levels.fyi/?compare=ByteDance

[autumn lynx]

anyone get ghosted by tik tok after the OA?

[limpid aspen]

!salary companies

[feral marten]

Unable to locate data on Companies

[limpid aspen]

!Salary Companies

[feral marten]

Unable to locate data on Companies

[subtle field]

You have to type in an actual company

Like

!salary google

[feral marten]

https://www.levels.fyi/salary/Google/

[limpid aspen]

Just looking to see what companies are listed

[subtle field]

Pretty much any on levels.fyi

[late kindle]

I thought I was ghosted by TikTok, but just got the interview email

[storm parrot]

Has anybody successfully negotiated an increase with Citrix's offer?

[limpid aspen]

oh thats possible?

[azure gull]

I thought most new grad roles specify that you have to graduate in their specific time periods

[visual lagoon]

NVM, I accidently mixed two different ideas together 😦

[azure gull]

Gotcha

That actually makes me wonder how firm companies are about people they recruit graduating within the time period stated on the new grad job description

[gleaming sigil]

Should I go ahead and accept the offer even though I wud nt be able to join on the mentioned start date? Or should I negotiate start date and then sign the offer?

[vocal carbon]

If it's 100% that you won't be able to join, then negotiate obv

[buoyant nexus]

!salary kpmg

[feral marten]

Unable to locate data on Kpmg

[pine parrot]

!salary opploans

[feral marten]

Unable to locate data on Opploans

[rocky nacelle]

I will be graduating in May 2021. I have related dev experience for 1.5 years. Done 50 questions on LC. Still haven't applied to a lot of companies. What's my chance of ending up at FAANG if I start prepping from now on. Also please list few companies having relatively easier interview process.

Got lucky that a recruiter approached me to schedule a phone interview with bloomberg

if someone went through the process please dm me the questions, thanks!

[sly saffron]

@rocky nacelle Which role for bloomberg?

[rocky nacelle]

new grad

full time role

[compact hazel]

It’s a process. Do at least one LC question a day, and just apply around

[mortal temple]

does anyone have a good email template / advice on how to use a company's offer to negotiate with another company?

[ornate charm]

Anyone know how the palantir recruiter call is?

[vocal carbon]

what kind of company is this lmao

[sacred thorn]

has anyone accepted an offer from Akuna Capital ? DM me pls

[cerulean pivot]

maybe check #781328623294218250

[shrewd blade]

does anyone have any experience w/ c3.ai interviews?

[sly saffron]

@shrewd blade for which role/team?

[shrewd blade]

solutions engineer new grad

Have you interviewed there?

I have my onsite this week and I'm not quite sure how to prepare/what type of LC's to practice

[sly saffron]

I did for swe platform but it has a different process than solutions engineer I think.

[dark jewel]

FAANG specifically, probably close to 0. Facebook/Google/Netflix aren't hiring new grads this year, Amazon already finished recruiting and is waitlisting now. Maybe you could get Apple, but their recruiting is exceptionally limited

[vagrant raft]

Isn't google starting new grad in Jan @dark jewel

[dark jewel]

did that get confirmed anywhere, or is it just a rumor?

[vagrant raft]

I just heard it as a rumor here

[vagrant raft]

My bad, I mean Jan lol

[silver bone]

Yeah I heard a lot of folks say January but nothing is confirmed afaik

[vagrant raft]

Thats kind of late to start

[silver bone]

Facebook actually opened new grad apps way back, but they resume rejected lots of people

[vagrant raft]

I think they always have a new grad app

They just aren't hiring at that level rn supposedly except intern converts

[silver bone]

Yep, this is what I've heard from recruiters. But I don't think its confirmed by any means that they wont hire any new grads later.

[slim holly]

is it dangerous to interview with IBM Research while newly employed at IBM ?

[subtle field]

Maybe ask IBM about internal transfer opportunities. Because if you don't it's like having sex with your girlfriend's best friend. See if it's ok with them first

[drowsy sentinel]

Has anyone done the virtual onsite for Orchard?

Also the Trade Desk exercise review after taking the OA?

[slim holly]

lol. makes a lot of sense

[restive arrow]

anyone gave their Roblox OA in Nov and got a call back?

[whole yoke]

Just completed bloomberg phone screen.

it was weird af

got done in 20 minutes

end to end

what does that mean?

Literally 20 minutes

no followups

no cross questioning

nothing

just ok ok ... from the interviewer

I asked the interviewer if there were any more questions.. said "No, I have enough information"

coldest interviewer ever

100% !process Bloomberg reject

Guys! Too much leetcode made me forget how to design a class, struct and the layout

I was used to just writing functions on LC. Practise designing the class end to end. Screwed up.

I got this question - https://serhatgiydiren.github.io/system-design-interview-top-k-problem-heavy-hitters

I was asked to optimize my noob heap approach.

Should have used Map Reduce, Count-min Sketch ...

[vapid river]

This too shall pass

[wind acorn]

wtf that looks scary

[vapid river]

Head up bro

[wind acorn]

was this new grad role?

[whole yoke]

she asked me how should you optimize? Then she said what if the stocks are streaming

new grad swe nyc

It started off damn easily.. just with design a class for stocks

then built up

by the end of 20 minutes, I was asked to design for streaming stocks

[digital carbon]

oh bb really likes this question

[whole yoke]

dude... you got it too??????

[digital carbon]

usually you can get away with using a heap and hashmap

[whole yoke]

I did all the effing bloomberg tagged

[digital carbon]

they asked me this type of question at career fair

[unkempt echo]

bloomberg billy

[digital carbon]

idt they're looking for a sys design answer like at scale

[whole yoke]

I told heap man

[digital carbon]

just the data structures

[whole yoke]

the interviwer wasn't impressed with heaps

man.. there goes my dream of staying in nyc... now i have to stay in seattle FML

[cursive loom]

Ah

I deleted

But I was asked something similar by twitch

I don't think is sys design tho

More like design a class

[whole yoke]

how do I optimize over heaps?

[cursive loom]

I thought sysdesign was moreso doing off the road calcs and building a robust system

I solved mine with heap and dict as well

[digital carbon]

how big was your heap? do you put all elements into the heap, or only the top k?

[cursive loom]

I didn't see how u could optimize it further