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I feel less depressed than yesterday so progress I guess. Had my 1:1 today and my manager just gave me an overview of how the meetings will work and a high level of the tech stack but it wasn't anything crazy though I did feel awkward
How's yours going
Very overwhelmed lol
Going good
Finally met the rest of my team today in a standup meeting
And actually got some work done
hi folks. looking for a crazy summer internship for a reason to live in a far away city for a month
or two
what are my@iptions
will try as hard as possible to get it done
v motivated
this summer but like i said willing to go to great depths
gonna be a little hard to find stuff this summer
i would recommend hitting up startups
email like crazy
startups are unlikely to provide housing reimbursement, correct?
i’ve tried all the startup sites already but i was pretty selective
how do I stand out when I’m working with volume rather than specific interest
do i just make a super good resume and just trust?
yea but pretty much all the big companies are full rn
good resume + cold email
interesting. do ppl post emails often? I haven’t seen many emails
just the applications
Emails aren't posted here just so that recruiters don't get flooded with 20k emails from this server lol
glad to hear u are feeling better! why depressed?
i’m doing alright. a bit overwhelmed by the docs and codebase but my team’s good about me asking for help and we had an onboarding workshop to help us familiarize with the tools
I just felt overwhelmed as well and I kind of shut down when that happens plus I was (and am) super fucking sleep deprived but I'm really hoping for a good night sleep tonight
Ah that's nice your team is good and also very good you're asking for help when needed! I think everyone's a little overwhelmed tbh there's just so much to take in the first week
where u at
Gs
If it’s a paid internship, the pay should be enough to cover housing but that’s your decision to make
understood. thanks for the followup @remote geyser
So I have an optional story mapping meeting today and my manager also said I'm free to attend agile meetings whenever I'm available. Does it show initiative to attend? It's my first week so I'm trying to get through all the training videos and get my environment set up but would appreciate any input from y'all on what is best practice
u should go imo
u can get ur environment set up later
or after work ends
You think? Even though I havent even started coding so will be lost the entire meeting?
i learn better thru examples which is why i try to attend as many meetings as possible
but iss up to u
Fair point
Sliding window
Sliding window / DP
I mean I can’t do LC or the stuff needed for the job
just attend and do ur setup stuff in the background
agile meetings early on give you a sense of how the team works
and youll know what to do for the next time you actually need to say something
if a HM posts a link to an application and I apply on the link, is it ok to ping the HM directly and mention something like "I've applied and look forward to next steps"?
yeah
could even go a step further and message them
yeah was thinking of messaging
yes. absolutely do it
Hello ___,
I hope you are having a great week so far.
I came across your post on LinkedIn about the internship position at ___ and have gone ahead and applied to the posting. I look forward to hearing from you with next steps.
Regards,
Zuc
``
^ how's this
editing the message rn actually, just realized that too
Will I come across as dumb if I suggest reflection (as in, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflective_programming) as a solution to a problem?
Yeah I ended up going and was glad even though I had literally no idea what was going on
yea its gonna be like that for a while LOL
If I couldn't give a bug-free version of mergesort in my interview, should I just reduce my expectations for finding a job?
For some reason I can't remember the exact details of all these algorithms,usually small logic like index shifting etc
probably not
i had to google how to code bubble sort a few days ago 
I could explain it well though. I drew out the step by step method of recursively dividing the array into half and then doing the merge step, with the correct comparisons between elements too
well each company is gonna ask different things
from my experience being able to explain well is important even if you dont get the correct implementation
I just got confused with shit like what to return, how to store the values that I split and so on
learn it for next time 
code it a few times so u dont forget
My mentor gave me a story to do and idk anything yet how i am able to finish it within next 2 days 🙄
If I get a sorting question I’ll just dip out the interview
Arr.sort() is all I’ll need ever
By asking lots of questions
Reflection/metaprogramming is fairly advanced, not dumb lol
TFW your mentor says your code “looks fragile and hard to maintain”
thats good to hear tho
imagine if your mentor never told you this and you continued doing what you did from before without any changes
that would be bad but now you can treat this as a learning experience and fix those mistakes and apply the learnt lessons in your future code
That's fine
Every internship, my first PR was always a train wreck lmao
Internships are meant to be a learning experience. If everyone already knew what they were doing, then internships wouldn't need to exist.
all of that for sure
and if it is hard to maintain for them it'll be easy for you since you wrote it => return offer 
but always ask for an explanation as to why its whatever they said it was
code obscurity == job security
hehe
my OOD professor always said that hehe
Do u guys greet ur manager first in the morning before asking the questions or just ask them the questions directly ?
hahaha okay 😂
yea same ask about weekend etc lol
You gotta remember that internships are ultimately about the learning and growth
the first step to being good at something is to be bad it
I’m doing so incredibly poorly at my internship
I’m going so slowly
Don't worry about it
Companies aren't expecting you to be going at the speed of light
Just go at your own pace
I think you really have to re-evaluate your concept of an internship
I’m sure you’re doing perfectly fine
Yeah you seem to be working hard and trying your best to learn
That's all that internships should really be about
It's not about being a master programmer that can solve a company's problems in 12 weeks
You have to remember that it can take full-time employees time to get up to speed
Yesh FT employees take up to 90 days to get up to speed
Most companies have a 30-60-90 day plan for FT employees
Im not doing anything at my job lmao
Just running into env errors and bugging ppl till its fixed
at least you’re getting paid for it 😁
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Same
I felt like that isn’t normal
Fr same here
also remember that it’s remote
u cant just pop in and ask for help lmao
Yea u cant tell if ur annoying ppl or not
lmao everytime u dm someone it feels like ur annoying them
Yeah I feel like I’m always annoying my manager by pinging them with a question lol
Even though they tell me it’s fine
how is everyone's summer internships going?
finished 5th ticket today
I fucked up hard yesterday
Merged a whole PR by accident and had to revert that shit ASAP
break production ? 
nah lmaoo
Still waiting to start smh
sheesh @hexed wave when company starts so late lol
almost finished with first week at jpmc
Yessir
ayeee let’s goo
It takes a week to set up the environment?
nah the rest of the days were orientation
yesterday was onboarding
today i met manager and team and finished training videos
tomorrow environment set up
Damn
My weeks going alright
Spent the past two days setting up my dev environment
Spending today and the next few days learning our codebase
And familiarizing myself with the tech stack
That seems mad stressful
It's kinda overwhelming ngl
Good thing I’m not doing SWE
It is but my manager is chill
He's given me a basic schedule to follow
yeah so much to learn lol 
But he said he doesn't care if I can't follow it exactly
Yeah it crazy
I'm basically doing a crash course in GraphQL and Spring Boot rn
I've got an hour to add a custom GraphQL query to our QA api
Wtf
It's just to learn lol
Why are you doing so much in an internship
Not for an actual feature
My entire project is about converting one of our existing APIs to GraphQL from rest
ill probably be reading documentation most of tomorrow
I literally got fold i am
Nope I’m ready to sit back and collect pay checks
Yeah I spent the entire day yesterday just going through GraphQL documentation
My mentor said to “try 3 things before pinging me”
And experimenting
Which is him saying fuck u to me
no its not
Idts
he's saying try the problem and try to solve it before you come to him lul
Yep
wants to see how you approach it and what your thought process is
My manager just told me to try for 30-45 minutes before pinging him
Na stop the cap. He’s saying don’t be an idiot and solve everything yourself
And i guess he saying to list them
So we dont repeat effort
Ie dont try stuff ive already said
Okay feel less shitty now yay 🙂
basically be a lead tech and do the problems yourself or gtfo
yeah you should do that anyways ^
Lul
My entire team is made up of senior and lead engineers so I feel way out of place lol
don't worry. same
Na I feel bad for you tho. You’re doing actual work
or well we have one entry level dev who has already been there a year
but everyone else is seniors
actual work is fun tho
if its full stack or api
not anything else
I do. Cuz that means i have to do it
personally i don't find this work to be daunting unless im like
programming for 6+ hours straight
Plus it's cool seeing the inner workings of a big site like Glassdoor lol
Seeing the relationship between the various systems and how it's maintained
My project sucks ass lowkey
lul
Better than not having a project
What's your project lol
took one look at #leetcode_discussion and then what im doing in my internship and realized leetcode is still a fucking scam 
Bruh
leetcode also gives you six figure jobs tho so 
Lmao yeah my work has no relation to LC problems
Yee
Yeah but other things do
Being able to explain your code and thought process is def important for your job
what are you talking about? no one cares about this 
if i can't figure it out after watching like seven youtube videos and reading documentation and trying it which will probably end up being a 4-5 hours, ill probably ask someone for help
y'all are actually doing work? i still can't get ahold of my coworkers/managers to help me locate repos and prepare the features
Bruh
it's ok vinodh i already sent out like 3 emails to people: a level above me and at my level (coworkers)
Nice
i mean it's their loss too bruh idk what to say
Yeah they're just losing some money then lol
Don’t say anything
Atleast you get to relax ig?
Just collect your checks and chill
But I mean the whole point of your internship is to learn shit
i'm still reading a ton of documentation and about the tools i'd use, to try and understand
i did find some repos and look thru, but idk if they're the right ones
yeah agreed, that's the point
Ah that's good
Showing initiative is always good lol
I mean I guess
I can do this when I'm unemployed though
Why do it at a job
When I can make my government pay me instead
lul then how are you suppose to get a return offer?
Just edit some internal database to change your status to FTE and update your salary
Ez
so far the hardest part about my project is setting up the dev/testing environment 
idk why im so slow with setting it up
Does anyone here have a blind account
are u trying to read posts or post on there?
No, I’m actually in search of a mentor who can help me find a job. I’m just looking for someone who’s genuinely willing to help me out and isn’t gonna expect $$$ in return
So if someone could post on blind on my behalf that’d be great
just post on reddit
Won’t find experienced people though
And I’m trying to find hiring manager kinda people
They're gonna tell u to grind lc and fuck off
LOL TRUE
not bad advice
good luck with that. literally just gonna tell you to LC and hope for the best
have u tried joining general CS / programming discords like the programmer's hangout? those have been helpful in my experience bc there's more experienced ppl there, even met some AWS ppl from there too
yeah can you invite me pls
hey can you DM me too please
Hi, @sly egret , could you also DM me please?
also, what exactly r u struggling with in job search rn?
failing final rounds
hmm it might just be luck assuming everything else is good
maybe mock interviews could help
it kinda is luck when i think deeply about it
at times its my fault too for either not showing good problem solving or not being prepped
it happens, i got ghosted after a final round even tho i got harder questions & interviewer said i did well but my friends got fizzbuzz and got the offer
hella rng sometimes
but when i aced linkedin and there's only 1 opening because of the team based hiring then i know its luck, because then it came down to hiring someone from the same race (i have proof) and thats just life i guess.. but if it was a generic pool of positions like general swe i would have had an offer
Lmao what do you mean same race
Yea that’s a bit of a bold claim, no?
so whats the proof @runic tinsel
How do you know the other person didn't just do better than you?
How do you know they didn't have better experience/resume
Good news is i was finally able to get ahold of team for my intern project and get lots of questions answered. Bad news is looks like some execs are actually especially interested in it. Including a senior VP i gotta meet with
So i have to actually accomplish somethin smh
I spoke to someone at LinkedIn about this. He said that the company is forced to interview people of different races (so not everyone can be Asian or Indian for example) and at the end of the day, given two equal performances on the interviews, it comes down to who you’re most comfortable with and that CAN mean the person who’s of the same ethnicity as you (which makes sense)
how do you know that was your case lol
even if it was the case, i wouldn't really consider it proof. bias exists no matter how much a company tries to discourage it
you'd need a flat out confession or a history of pattern for proof
^^^^
how do they tell what race someone is though?
I mean it's common knowledge companies try to interview a diverse set of people, but they're not gonna hire you or not hire you solely bc of your race
At least I hope not
Lmao blaming race is such cope bro
also it might be culture fit
one of the hardest things to do as a manager is performance management, and that includes hiring. i wouldn't take being rejected it too personally, sometimes the manager was just doing their best.
no way companies would hire him based on race or not
he's prolly getting rejected for smt else
could be anything. what sucks is you'll likely never know
he said he's failed over 6-7+ final rounds with optimal solutions
i think theres something he's not telling us tbh
i guess so, maybe it's just culture fit
It could honestly just be luck
I failed 4 final rounds for this summer and thought I was a bum, and then the next 3 I did I got offers
so this is conclusive and undeniable "proof" you lost out on the job because of your race?
what am i reading
i mean yeah we all acknowledge that, given two equal performances of candidates where one is URM and the other is not, the URM has better odds of getting hired
but you sound like you are backtracking because your claim
I have proof
was that you feel assured you aced the interview for this position and, because the other person was hired, race must be the deciding factor
Honestly maybe we could get this guy a mock interview or something going? It sounds like there's something tripping him up and going through a mock interview might help him pinpoint what's going wrong
so yeah i don't think this is about race
even if u wanted to fake that, it's easy over zoom
but didn't he also intern at fang before
@runic tinsel I really think it would be a good idea to do a few mock interviews
Maybe someone can help u pinpoint what's going wrong
If there is anything wrong in the first place
Honestly could be luck
I’m ugly but would u give me a chance 👉👈
ugly means ur hidden op
It’s not about URM or ORM. This is about hiring someone from the same cultural background
People wanna be around those who are most similar to them right? Why do you think it’s different in tech hahaha
well you're talking about human behaviors, then
idk what to say, i'm latinx and funny enough I have gotten along well with all my latinx interviewers and even performed well but none of those i got the job lmao
it's all anecdotal at the end of the day, i trust honest employees to try their hardest to fight bias
what you're talking about is inherent biases where i see no point in discussing
its not illegal unless explicity proven
@tulip bronze nah ur right, you're right to challenge my assertion
i think my claim is impossible to prove, i was thinking more of URMs in terms of race
but women absolutely get the short end of the stick
i was just imagining this scenario where there's a group of hiring managers evaluating candidate A and B
and they literally reach a deadlock - "these performed the exact same"
and one is URM, so who to choose?
I’m not saying I agree w it, I just like to see explicit proof before jumping conclusions
but your argument is that such a deadlock is rarely reached, because systemic bias against women/urm puts the orm candidate above every time
deadlock to what extent? Like they performed the exact same in the technical portion?
Yeah they’re assuming everything else is equal
as "equal" as you want to define it, dracos
but for a big n, yeah i refer to the technicals
no one has identical resumes but hypothetically if possible i'd say yes
it would be pretty hard to have 2 "equal" candidates if you added the behavioral portion to the mix imo
but it probably does happen
depends on their quota probably
yes and no
on paper, they might justify hiring urm because they performed better on behavioral
off paper, they want to meet a quota
the best reason is ofc "better fit for the team" (i am of the opinion that diverse teams are better)
honest reasons are best reasons
I think the more fit candidate should be in the offce
office
race is all equal, so judge based off of skil
we can't have just skill but yeah, it should be # 1
i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that if a big tech company (especially the likes of amazon) has large groups of minorities claiming something...
minorities/victimes are probably right...
As a manager or Higher up, would you rather have employees of different races however for whatever reason some aren’t too skilled, or a team full of very skilled engineers (however, the diversity is much lower)
a lil of column a, a lil of column b @obtuse pivot
no cap, diversity does help
even if it means taking some candidates who aren't lc wizzards
In what ways? I just am curious
wait thats pretty high?
What does race change? idrk i think all race is equal
I thought it was increasing lol
it's very hard to give you tangible examples, but i'll try
diversity = different backgrounds/opinions/arguments that can happen in team discussions
usually online ppl say theres like 1 woman for every like 50-100 men in class
race/gender is an easy way to "box" people into diff categories
for cs
yea same
I think my uni publishes numbers, lemme check
I remember seeing an upward trend
Rip
other industries, like engineering, have had situations where safety features are optimized for men because the team is all male, so women get short end of stick
inb4 "but you can have an all-male team still consider these shortcomings"
yeah but the point is, from a sociological perspective, diversity is great for getting diverse results
what school?
Again, I have no issue with diversity at all. I just don’t agree with hiring a diverse candidate who isn’t as fit for the job as a more common race if they r more fit.
the chance of this happening is very very low
that’s pretty high
i mean do u wanna make up some dumb stupid numbers lol
we can go that route
if candidate A is urm but they're "good enough" of a fit, i'll take it
of COURSE candidate B (white male) will fit into a white male team perfectly
Damn
too true
wait why tho
Alright I found some data from my uni for diversity
Are you insinuating they wouldn’t fit with other races?
And there’s only been a slight increase in women in cs rip
no, i'm insinuating that, chances are, they'd fit great into a group of similar background (and thus they are likely to be considered a "better fit")
Here’s the data for anyone curious
this happens in many cs schools tbh
Like what @split shuttle
i thought top cs schools had better gender ratio bc they can be more selective at the start
oh cuz i was abt to say that seems unusual
i misread and thought u said people do say sexist stuff
females only go into tech for the money
Is that a bad thing to do lol?
i went into tech for the money
gotta get that dough
if u wanted dough why not just do something else
like what?
Many things pay more than tech
You also gotta put in more effort though
swe looks like one of the easiest high paying fields lol
what pays more than tech with less or equal degree req?
ib/consulting
You said dough was main goal, i didnt know if u meant including “least amount of work”
but u gotta grind during hs to get target school and then grind in target school
TCS 😍
and then grind the 80-90 hr work weeks 
yeaaa that's pain
90k TC for SF 😍
less time than going to law school or med school too
or just starts ur own company lol ceo’s r the chads
tech is easily best ratio of years of study/pay/wlb
any better ratio is starting a business i guess (but that's hard)
tech exp helps with that tbh
building SAAS products
300k is nothing to be paid by google or wherrever
bruh i thought most startups failed
Oh yeah an entire degree in Canada is only like 50k usd isn’t it
yea they do
that's fine tho, i'm cool being a code monkey making 300k
vinoad 
@low epoch same
Iirc Waterloo was like 10k/yr
Im just stating thts how it be
vinoad the toad 
Yeah that’s like one year at a US uni 
like 50k a year lol
i went to a worse school than the top choice i got in to, because they gave me full ride + 3k a semester
yea
I’m out of state
Which is why I pay this much
Usually are 30k per year
Still expensive lol
15k tuition and rest is living per year
cad pay sucks cock
fuck west coast
i dont wanna live on a fault

mega earthquake 
Would be weird going all the way to Toronto just to come back to work
California got some nice landscapes too
I just dont vibe w the cali culture
We have a culture?
Whack
Apple or bust
The bay is nice can confirm
Im probably just being a dickhead , Cali does have nice weather….
Though I’ve been here my whole life so it do be boring
So sad i didn't get to go on campus
Anyone know if apple is in tx
Same
Vinodh go hiking
Yea it is
Damn that’s dream
I go every now and then
Got a lot of hills around me
Give
Glassdoor is a good internship? lol he gets paid like 40 iirc
10000% so happy went to mcgill instead of a US one
Wat is that supposed to mean
he gets paid 40 bucks an hr
Did u guys hear Abt the apple wfh stuff
his linkedin uis up
I mean 40 is pretty decent lol
Im saying he said “once u get a good internship”
Bruh so i read that right
imfao
And im saying he already has a good one
Im saying its good
He's still in waterlooworks
simp , implied its bad lol
Copping wish interviews
Oh the 40 an hour figure is in usd
i think you guus misunderstood me….
The wording made it sound like you were saying the opposite lol
All good
Microsoft interviewed him when he was cheating @tulip bronze
Oh ok, ya i was pretty much sayinng that You already have a good internship with great pay. Lol.
Yeah after reading it a few times I get what you were saying
English is hard
he didn't get msft
He's here btw
Eric Liu what happened to that clown
Did I stutter
who is this guy
Fits him well
I heard he copied a project from a Huawei Engineer
I wanna work for McDonald's
LOL

I have a raptors McDonald's snapback 
No clue
brooo eric made a new website and github
Eric Liu is a 19 y/o UW CS student from Waterloo, Canada with a passion for technology, development and entrepreneurship.
u can prolly buy one online
i miss wungus
Damn this is nice
Props to the dude that originally made it
Yeah he gave credit which is cool
Oh
doesn't use https wtfrig, its standard stuff
Probably
Oh I didn’t even notice that
Wait his accomplishments are really impressive I thought he just stole stuff
what did this guy steal
Basically all his GitHub projects
He just changed the name of the repo
Didn't change the readme or the license lol
His previous website was also stolen from a UCLA student
oh wow
what cs competitions like competitive programming?
Like for the one that Google runs, his submissions were manually rejected by a Google employee bc they were just copied from someone else
Like google code jam
oh okay
Oh that makes sense, I didn't realize about the competitions too
Yeah he basically just lied wherever he could
Even though his submissions to google code jam were rejected, he claimed that he finished in like the top 20% iirc
So people were furious
why's this guy so desperate to lie about everything
I don't believe he won that Citadel thing
he got carried probably
Yeah I'm not going to believe anything he lists online lol
My manager added me to 2nd proj when i was almost doing good ( i think ) after 2 weeks 🙄
Will it make diff for me to get return ?
I know this is insanely late but do y'all know any company, any at all still hiring for summer 2021 internship positions
any of these work: Data Science Intern, Software Engineering Intern, Software Development Intern, Data Analytics Intern (or anything similar)
Yeah Ivy leaguer 3.8 gpa very dumb 😂
same, thinking about stepping away from software engineering but not sure bc it's online or me
i enjoy working on personal projects yeah, but i haven't done any in a long time bc school is hard
anyone else's first week of internship and they basically did nothing all week or is it jsut me
i don't want to blame the company bc they've been really kind and flexible despite me missing deadlines all the time. though i don't work in a subject i'm personally interested in
word same here, so many onboarding related meetings and zero code written so far
what is that makes u think you don't wanna do swe? @solemn frost
don't enjoy internship. if internship is suppose to be trial version of full time then don't want to do full time
they told me i'd be doing mostly analytics but "not too much as far as pushing code" unless i get to some later user stories (my first user stories are not strictly about writing code but data)
which felt like a punch to the gut
hmmm maybe u should try becoming a PM
is this a SWE internship??
yes
dangg
lmao my internship is the opposite, its titled analyst but its all code
yeah i know, i'm just telling myself that i'll try and fit in as much actual code as i can and worst case at least i got it on resume lol
so i can gear up for new grad apps in fall
hope u can push some code 
yeah idk how to do that. ik PM internships exists but seems like there's a lot fewer roles and way more competitive
yeah
might try for another internship but it's so much work to prep for in the application process
I spent the whole week trying to learn the tech imma be using
with studying algo stuff
And getting used to the code base
thats me too, what are you learning rn?
and if not sure if i want to do it it's hard to tell if worth the effort
GraphQL, SQL and Spring Boot
not too familiar with Spring Boot, is that Java package or something?
Yeah it’s a Java server backend
Lmao nice
thankfully tons of youtube videos on it
that's good, react is popular
I’m enjoying my internship so far
y'all remote as well?
ive been surprised at how fast it is to learn new tech, not used to actually focusing for hours in a row lmao
Lmao same
yeah bruh there's something about learning on job vs school
at job you have like all these legit people
expecting shit from u
yea expectations are higher lmaoo
meanwhile for like, sys. programming classes I'll take that L lmao
i h8 java
The impostor syndrome is getting to me lol
I feel super out of place
But ig it’ll improve over time
anyone got anything?
I think companies are done hiring for the summer now ngl
Maybe startups might hire
But you'd have to email around I think
Do y’all work 8 hours a day at your internships? Mine didn’t really tell us expected hours
yes
But like some days I’ve done 6-2 others 8-4
Looking forward to next week since training meetings done
i dont think its rutgers only
I log 8 hours yeah
i wanna start doing 8-4 but i cant get up in the morning for the life of me
Yeah I’m west coast and a lot of meetings this week were EST based lol
dam thats rough lol
i do 11-3 and they think im doing a 9-5 
Lmfao
I should probably correct myself and say I log 9-5 or 10-6
I kinda just work whenever
Jesus
Yeah I work 12-7 aka 9-5 Cali time
But my boss keeps telling me I don't have to work 40hrs/week and I should chill
Yeah
Nice
And yeah he's super chill
how u get this when u dont go to rutgers
im on r/rutgers cuz i have friends that go there lmao

chill wit me
Bett
I managed to finish the process yesterday but man I felt slow doing it lol
did you start this past week too?
Started on the first and didn’t speak to my manager until this Wednesday
So don’t feel too bad lol
oh wow lol
Yeah it be like that
Yea
ah
yea it was mostly orientation stuff for me too but i got a design doc outline done but thats about it, still need to get environment setup
I’m still going through a lot of prep for my tech stack
It’s overwhelming ngl but it’s a lot more rewarding than studying for school
this x 1000000
omfg
i actually love what im doing
Yeah I have FUN learning lmao
Same
Even tho I don’t like the specific tasks itself, I’m just so excited to be working on production level code
It really is
And having my project actually be a part of the platform
I had to move fast and get my dev environment set up already
But just seeing how everything works and learning about the tech I'm going to be using was super fun
To me programming is hyper stressful because I start freaking out if I don’t understand why my code isn’t working and don’t stop freaking out until I do
the tasks for my project are cool, they matched me to the team perfectly w/ my background
Nice
yea this feeling never goes away 🤣 it gets better tho
All trial and error, even the best engineers in the world use stackoverflow/Google so don’t worry
D e b u g skills
But it doesn’t take much energy/willpower for me to code (honestly, it takes a lot of willpower for me to stop, if my code isn’t working)
So I kind of like it in some sense?
same here im trying not to work during the weekend even tho i could do a lot of stuff
never felt like this in school tbh, was always doing stuff during weekends & late nights pretty often
yeah same, i was thinking about working on the weekend but decided against it to take some break and have some cool down time
I noticed that my team has quite a large proportion of interns
Which is definitely worrying
I think there are four full-time SWEs and two SWE interns, and one full-time PM and one PM intern. And I think another SWE intern is about to join us, though I’m not sure
Oddly, last Friday there was a meeting of the super-team we’re a subteam of (I don’t know the correct nomenclature for these things, sorry) and, out of this team with 60-70 people, all interns were in my subteam!?
I’m afraid they’re not really planning on giving any of us interns return offers, unless we’re literally exceptional
What’s a normal intern:FTE ratio for a team?
And how do return offers work? Do people almost always get a return offer to be in the same team? Or is it common to get transferred to another?
There’s one (1) full-time SWE in my team who was an intern last summer
is this amazon
No
which company is this
Salesforce
hm, from what I heard they have a solid return offer pipeline, so as long as your deliver it should be fine
just bring exposure to yourself by demonstrating the things you are doing to your manager
maybe they try to throw lots of interns on the same team so make them feel comfortable? like for example im the only intern on my team and it would be nice to have someone else to talk to using the same tech / codebase
even at a big company there were only 2 interns on my team so it sounds like more than normal for sure, but not necessarily a bad thing imo
how hard is it to get return offer from amazon?
not hard
just deliver project, and they will give return, very straightforward process
do i need to hit stretch goals too?
and even if you want to switch teams you can just reject, and apparently (not guaranteed) but they will try to find you a spot
probs not imo
Yeah, I’ve heard of that, though I’m afraid that things changed. I heard that they hired more interns than usual this summer and the last
they hire so much its unbelievable at Amazon
tbh i think my project is simple but there's probably a lot that i cant think of atm that goes into it, plus i have to wait for design docs to be approved and that sort of stuff
isnt the point of intern to evaluate candidates in real swe environment and as long as they are ok, hire them over taking a chance with a random nonintern
im sure intern return is preferrable for company over new hire as long as you arent complete shit
Yeah, that’s what I thought
thats what i assumed as well
at fb they keep telling us a story of an intern who completely broke instagram but still got a return offer
so cant be that bad right :))
This makes me really stressed out about sending new grad applications 😅
just prepare for it, it wont be that bad
Aww. I have a friend who interned there last summer and didn’t get a return offer 
they give lots of chances here so he probably just didnt improve whatever they told him to improve
He seems to have gotten a better offer, though, so that’s good
How often do you guys think "I could generalize these functions more" when programming?
Even if no return, Salesforce on your resume will help you get more interviews
Although they told that they have 2 reviews like a manager fills out a survey and go over with us in 6 or 7th week
to tell us what all things we are doing fine and what else needs to be done.
Also, Salesforce gave return offer to few last year who didn’t even completed the entire project, as it was so long 🙄
As far as you communicate well and deliver / do your deliverables, return should not be hard.
I don't communicate well :/
I was given a small project, which I'm almost done with, and I don't know what I'll do afterwards. How will this impact my chances of getting a return offer?
You need to have more confidence with yourself literally you got Salesforce. That means you're quite good . Some of us ( including me ) could only dream of getting a fucking interview there lol. Just keep learning and asking lots of questions. I've heard Salesforce return offer is quite high so you should relax and enjoy the Internship and try your hardest and stop thinking about the negatives and the what ifs 24/7. Take it as it comes
should i try to get a return offer even if i don’t like the job
programming for cyber security purposes is fun but not as fun as software engineering
I mean take it if that's the only thing you can get rn, it's better than nothing. Just keep applying for internships or new grad opportunities
i think it's super casual
i dressed nice like the first 2-3 days
then it's pre chill most ppl come in sweaters and stuff at my workpalce
yeah i guess company dependent but i think usually you can wear whatever
ight cool
maybe banks are more formal idk, i wear a t shirt everyday at both my internships
ye I think mine would be more casual
ill dress up a bit for the first day and see what everyone else is wearing and go from there
i dress like a bum every day and nobody seems to care much 
as long as you don't wear anything offensive then its fine
it's company dependent tho
it feels so weird not having to worry about hw or studying for exams on the weekends 
i know, its amazing
but im not used to it yet 🤣 too used to panicking about stuff on weekends
I feel like my manager has little idea of what I’m doing
Our PM ended up deciding to give me a project that didn’t seem to fit the kind of project my manager wanted me to work on, and I don’t think my manager knows
I’m nervous that that’ll make me not get a return offer
anyone who is working in person, what did you bring for you first day/does anyone have suggestions on what I should bring for my first day as an intern
You should probably bring shoes
In all seriousness I had an in person internship 2 yrs back and all they had me bring was a government id
Everything else they gave me when I got there
You probably have like a first day email or something outlining what you need to bring
Anything else you might need will be given to you
It might be helpful to have a small scratchpad and a pen if you wanna note something down tho
Bring some Krispy Kreme
Who else is eager to start work tomorrow?
I'm kinda excited
I wanna die
Gonna actually start working on my project
I'm working rn
Bruh
f
honestly at this point I'd chill out a bit
especially if you're planning on leaving early
kill me
I'm praying for you to cop that fall 2021 offer
im gonna leave this summer regardless
Yeah that sounds like a good idea
at this rate his fall 2021 offer will be deloiite and his spring 2022 offer will also be deloitte
wtf 45000 words haven't written that much over my whole life 
I'm leaving for sure
:(
Imagine working till 2am and they still expect you to clock in at 9
if ur working until 2am as an intern
ur clowning urself
no company is worth that
everyone is vaxxed have a hot girls summer instead
are you at citadel breadboard?
no
I'm not a clown I'm the entire circus
Would it be bad if I gave a fellow intern advice? She was tasked with implementing the UI part of a feature I implemented the backend part of and I feel an urge to help her with a specific thing she said she needed help with. But two other SWEs are already doing that
yes
Update: I did it and she said “O wow thank you Natalia!” (even though the MTS and LMTS SWEs had found a better way to do the thing?!) and this feels good :’)
beat out the other interns to the return offer
it's the hunger games
Lmfao
what are y'all internship goals that you speak to your managers about
We've kinda just discussed what the overall goal is for my internship period
And what I'd need to do over the next 2 weeks for the current sprint
That's about it
nice. we were told to come up with goals (by HR) and to make sure to discuss them with manager
Oh nice
damn felt so stupid today asking mentor for help setting up dev environment
good news is it's all good to go
but the documentation was pretty confusing for me and i had to screen share and troubleshoot
all things considered i probably took 3 hours of his time; only consolation is this is first time i really take time from them, fortunately is very nice person
Nice
"how do i become SVP within the next week
"
srs ans: this is my 2nd week so im gonna ask if im doing alright, if i need to pick up pace on anything, maybe some technical questions since he's in the process of going from SDE3 -> SDM rn
and if time allows he used to work at a crypto startup so im def gonna ask him about that & talk about my degen normie coins

i used to start in the morning and do stuff till later than this for school 
work feels so much nicer
If you enjoy working on projects or building stuff, then yeah
It's really cool to be able to put something together and watch it be used in production
mmm ok thas cool
my internship is focused around cloud computing and i have no idea what to expect
maybe google what a cloud computing intern does? honestly no idea lmao
Or ask in the general chat
I'm sure there's a ton of ppl who've done cloud computing internships before
I worked in cloud after my freshman year but it was QA not SWE so not entirely sure if its similar
its cybersec cloud
databases and stuff
working with sql and python scripting
not really a software engineering internship but still pretty interesting
yes, i got placed in a project that matches exactly what my background is in & i love it so far
Sitting back and collecting pay checks is fun
anyone have a good work/study/fun/LC/sleep routine?
You work, then study, then have fun, then LC, then sleep
work/bullshit 9am-4pm, leetcode/grokking 2-3 problems 4pm-6pm, personal projects/learning 8pm-1/2am
that sounds exhausting
i usually bullshit half my work hrs
so its all good
Gym/shower 10am-12pm, 12pm-8pm work, 8-11pm chill, 11-2/3am LC
With breaks and stuff in between ofc
I can’t get myself to do any development outside of work lmao
Once I’m done I just wanna relax
I just do constant pomodoro sessions
During work and LC
Just gotta be strict and not get distracted by social media or videos so I just read lmao
like the actual 25-5?
Depends, if I’m learning then I’ll do 25/5 but if I’m doing work that needs more focus I’ll adjust to that
Generally want to have two mins of rest for every 10 mins work you do
Respect your hustle. I’m getting old I guess I have to get in bed by 11 lmfao
Work 8-4, either exercise during my break or after work. Dinner/spend time with gf until 8ish. Videogames then bed by 11
When I get bored of finally having videogame time maybe I’ll swap it out for LC
bruh where tf is life 
my current routine:
7-9 shower, workout, leetcode, other morning routine things
9-5 work and slacking off
5-7 life
7-8 extra study and classes
8-10 wind down, fun, relax
i wake up at 8:58 am 2 min before standup lol
which is why i said 9am-4pm work/bullshit
Lmao
Y’all wildin
how does one become the best slacker?
finish your work fast and leave the last parts till the end?
damn u guys sound rly efficient
Oh wtf I thought that was for fall lmao
interview? for next summer?
Lmao
does it look good to put projects on my linkedin page?
same man same
My internship is low stress, but the the pay is not good 😦
me yday after work LMAO except the debuggin part
My internship is very stressful but I feel like literally everything is very stressful for me ☹️
fuckin TRU
Yeah I have a lot of dev tools as well :/ the days have been going fast but at the end of them I dont know what I even did all day
I have a bug in my internship that I do not know how to debug
same i literally have 10 weeks left but all i can think is.. that’s not enough time
Same
I have a total of 6 tasks to do over my internship
And idek how I'mma finish them all
today was me chucking a bunch of potential solutions at a problem and none of them working
so i vibe w yall
@little fiber I feel you
Trust me , the stress is not worth it
do you have an exact date you're planning on quitting by if you don't get something for fall
august 1st
3 months of internship

I got the code base on day 2, I am scared
Dude same
Does anyone know how hard Salesforce interview is?
I have a high up individual willing to refer me
I basically spent my first week just reading the code base
My coach said “study it”
I was like

Oh god they’re giving me the project tomorrow 
Lmfao my manager was busy dealing with some tickets so he didn't give me a goal
lmao
But then when we had our one on one on Friday, he was like "Yo you've been zooming through the onboarding process"
My login for time clock ain’t working. If it don’t work by Friday I don’t get paid probably 
LMAO ain’t nothing to do
Oof
Nice
I got my project yesterday
Along with some Jira tickets
Oh?
my first paycheck came in today and i was like
and then i looked back at my JIRA tickets and i was like 
Manager busy with big issues and constantly is in meetings so I can't ask questions rip
I jus got authorization for it 
Lmfao actually me
it’s a tool that organizes ur sprints and stuff
I gotta sprint?? 
It was nice seeing the number in the bank account not be 0
basically the tasks u gotta do
Basically a Todo list
Oh shit they givin me my own trello? ShiiiiT
Yeah Jira can organize tasks into timelines called sprints
Can’t wait
So you're given X days/weeks to finish Y tickets
It’s all in JS idk if I’m happy or depressed
Except my tickets are on the back burner so idek when I gotta finish them by :)
React project?
Yea node city
Not bad
Hapi framework for backend
My entire codebase is in java
And it's split across like 18 different repos
Aight my shits in 1 repo thank god LMAO
Damn
I think the longest file I've seen so far is only around 500 lines
But then again there are thousands of files
Also just got access to my code base today and I’m so lost
It’s JS so like the routing files makes sense
Pog another member to the club
Dude this java codebase is so whack
Gotta learn kotlin in a day lmao





