only one i genuinely liked was devon crawford and he hasn't uploaded in over a year 
#2021_summer
dapper shard
simple saffron
i miss old jarvis
terse torrent
Yeah u would have to maybe work even harder to get noticed
flat vine
jarvis is washed up af now
terse torrent
Brooo jarvis so good
dapper shard
jarvis is ugly 
simple saffron
jarvis was so wholesome
terse torrent
^
simple saffron
i think hes beautiful 🙂
twilit mesa
jarvis is ugly <:PepeLaugh:747509249558577181>
bro is getting the bag doe 💯
quiet musk
jarvis, devin crawford were the best tech yts
terse torrent
I watched every video
flat vine
now he just spends all his time roasting brighter side
terse torrent
Jarvis mayuko cs dojo 10/10
simple saffron
whenever he talked about his insecurities growing up and how he overcame them
it was great
twilit mesa
when the world needed him the most ,devin crawford disappeared
simple saffron
and very real
lunar dock
The only tech youtubers I watch anymore are Clement mihailescu and myuko
terse torrent
I feel like clements kinda a douche
abstract wagon
mayuko GOOD
sinful oar
jarvis really helped me feel seen back when he was on yt
terse torrent
Techlead more douche
simple saffron
and then you have tech lead who disparages minorities and says people should "absolutely feel imposter syndrom"
terse torrent
But both douche
lunar dock
They're actually helpful... except for a certain someone's ads
simple saffron
i just miss jarvis
dapper shard
devin made studying things in CS seems really cool. and his nonchalant attitude about the tougher things and like how it was okay if you didn't get them was really helpful for me whenever i was getting into reverse engineering
simple saffron
no ben awad is legit
flat vine
isnt that the guy that spends 80% of video time talking about how he hates angular
low epoch
i didnt' know he was puttin out serious vids, ben awad seemed like memer
simple saffron
yeah its hilarious
low epoch
he's legit in sense that he has sold his dumb ideas to msft lol
simple saffron
he's actually good at his craft? and makes good videos
terse torrent
@low epoch how
simple saffron
he also memes a lot but in a nontoxic way
simple saffron
wait no way lol
terse torrent
Oh lmao
low epoch
yeah i added him on linkedin for lulz too
low epoch
yes andre
terse torrent
Ye
lunar dock
That does sound legit
abstract wagon
if you arent faang you are just a talking monke in my eyes tbh
simple saffron
and he gives solid advice
he didnt want to work at a large company
and does independent consulting/built his own company instead
twilit mesa
if you arent faang you are just a talking monke in my eyes tbh
ayo?
flat vine
remember when clement had an interview with ben and asked him to invert a tree jsut because he was a frontend dev
flat vine
what a douche...
low epoch
damn i didn't know about any of these tech youtubers b4 this place
twilit mesa
im kidding im not even at faang
no your kirb
simple saffron
clement asked him that?
flat vine
terse torrent
They got me into cs in hs
lunar dock
and does independent consulting/built his own company instead
Ooh independent consulting is super fun. Def support anyone doing that
simple saffron
clement is so annoying lol
low epoch
wait did ben bomb it?
abstract wagon
dude fuck clement picking on the smaller guys
low epoch
cuz that title "easy interview" is like passive aggresssive LOL
flat vine
lets put emphasis on Easy bc hes frontend dev haha
abstract wagon
ask him to lc with me ill fuck him up
lunar dock
His ads are infuriating
low epoch
damn i lost all respect for clement now
simple saffron
clement epitomizes everything wrong with the industry
dapper shard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZeO0IQaJ-A this was so cool to me when i first watched this video
twilit mesa
what are top unicorns 🤔
twilit mesa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZeO0IQaJ-A this was so cool to me when i first ...
this shit is good
abstract wagon
im jk btw
simple saffron
im not
twilit mesa
im just curious on your take 😭
lunar dock
Btw is robinhood still top after that stuff with gme?
low epoch
lol people like ben apparently
low epoch
i would much rather someone like him inspire the next gen of 18yr old cs majors
abstract wagon
errichto, secondthread, algorithms live 
twilit mesa
he had like multiple videos where he went agaisnt what techlead said about certain technologies
flat vine
yo thats judgmental
low epoch
ben could steal yo gurl
abstract wagon
i think any channel that talks about things of substance are good
low epoch
fr just look at clement, he has the reddit neckbeard
abstract wagon
mayuko is pretty
+1
simple saffron
id simp for her
low epoch
+1
abstract wagon
pretty and gives good advice
abstract wagon
i dont like doggos
low epoch
secondthread seems aight too, solid 6/10 maybe 7/10 with good lighting
simple saffron
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijL0h6-1qbQ this video is genuinely so funny to me
ashen needle
Ben is my favorite tech youtuber
simple saffron
same
ashen needle
He’s really funny but also really knows what he’s doing
simple saffron
exactly
low epoch
i don't think we should count youtubers who actually walk u through LC, these are personalities we're talking about not like tutors
simple saffron
he also knows how to talk to people
ashen needle
Angular dev = carrot farmer fr
lunar dock
I was an independent consultant last year. It's a weird combination of being your own boss and working for someone else. It's a really fun and fulfilling position to be in. You get to work with CEOs, ctos and sometimes tell them what to do. I would consider doing that at the same level, if not more then working for a unicorn
dapper shard
i dont have a girl
you stole my girl? 
abstract wagon
?
dapper shard
?
abstract wagon
what
simple saffron
yo whre is my boy bawb
dapper shard
hm?
simple saffron
@obtuse otter linus where tf u at
ancient flower
i dont have a girl
Why tho
low epoch
LOL coke tab
abstract wagon
why dont i have a girl?
dapper shard
we*
abstract wagon
i would like to know too
dapper shard
why don't we*
low epoch
what u mean we, this aint communist russia
abstract wagon
why do people even ask leetcode for frontend
ashen needle
It’s ez if yk react
dapper shard
nah its fine. im okay with being ugly 
abstract wagon
i seriously dont see why you would ever need to know algos for frontend
simple saffron
front end has a decent amount of algos
abstract wagon
are you going to recursively center a div?
lunar dock
why do people even ask leetcode for frontend
Oh yeah I've always wondered this
simple saffron
you dont do everything in the backend
dapper shard
so you can efficiently schedule the taskbar 🙂
ashen needle
Svelte is like. If you take react. And make it more component focused
simple saffron
how can you make react more component focused
ashen needle
Just look at a svelte component
Everything is component scoped
Even styles
Super cool
simple saffron
wait svelte looks clean
simple saffron
have you used vue
lunar dock
Sounds cool, when do you think svelte go mainstream?
simple saffron
my preferred front end framework is reagent
ashen needle
And state was just weird
ashen needle
I wanna try Elm at some point
dapper shard
i like react a lot tbh
lunar dock
^
ashen needle
I’m telling you, if you like react, check out svelte for a few hours at some point
lunar dock
Oh shit that's clean
ashen needle
What is the lang
simple saffron
its clojure
ashen needle
Oh I se
simple saffron
a functional programming language
ashen needle
It’s similar to Elm then
ashen needle
Elm looks cool
ashen needle
React is kinda goat, but for small projects moving forward I’m prob gonna start moving towards svelte
Or just pieces of projects that don’t need all the features of React
ancient flower
What is that emoji
simple saffron
because it's literally a high schooler?
lol
yeah sounds like its you
@abstract wagon i admire your courage
abstract wagon
<@456226577798135808> i admire your courage
i am kirb
simple saffron
you're courage
abstract wagon
dapper shard
so for people that have already done internships at companies before, is the interview process and the OAs and shit harder than the actual job itself? kind of irrational, but im scared of being a complete dumbass during my internship and not doing good enough to get a return offer for full time. i can't do this recruiting shit again
abstract wagon
yeah it is
actually it depends
for the leetcode engineer it might feel like a climb
if you're used to navigating large code bases and using dev tools you're probably fine
- leetcode engineer
dapper shard
im used to googling shit and finding the answers when i don't know and when to copy and paste code into the right places 🙂
im personally not the greatest at leetcode even after ive been grinding it for the last month now
simple saffron
yeah ive never navigated large code bases
how do you even debug large projects like that
abstract wagon
it just takes getting used to
you use tools
sometimes inhouse
sometimes stuff like say gdb
simple saffron
what language have you worked in
lunar dock
so for people that have already done internships at companies before, is the int...
I would say neither one is harder than the other. They're just different
simple saffron
i guess we just gotta pray for good mentorship and code reviews
my engineering lead is a fuckin G tho
simple saffron
how long did it take to actually start writing production code
low epoch
same concerns peepo except my compoany is mid tier and not a location i want so i'm down to try other new grad offers lol
simple saffron
where you headed bean boy
low epoch
random but i'm TAing first time this semester and reading code is def a skill to develop
mastercard
abstract wagon
@simple saffron sometimes it takes a while, for some places you'll find setting up will take 1-2 weeks lmfao
low epoch
yeah i'm TA to a first-semester class and also some junior level stuff so i'm always helping, kinda hard to read spagghetti
simple saffron
where is mastercard located?
low epoch
damn a week to set up
abstract wagon
no cap
simple saffron
yeah my gig is mostly a java shop so hopefully it doesnt take that long
low epoch
30 min from st louis missouri, i believe they have offices in nyc and sf though
java environment kinda weirdo too
dapper shard
i feel like
abstract wagon
mr emote nyc 
dapper shard
when i go to the full stack team
and i look at the backend code
imma be fucked for so long
lunar dock
so for people that have already done internships at companies before, is the int...
What you do to do good in an internship is to take initiative. I can tell you that there are interns who dont try to learn anything for themselves. They don't try to google things on their own. Every time they dont know how to do something, they sit there and get depressed and ask the manager every chance they get. This puts stress on the rest of the team and delays work.
What you want to do instead is try to learn things for yourself. If you cannot find out something it's okay. Present to your supervisor the research you did. The things you arent sure of, and ask them how they think the solution should be implemented.
dapper shard
What you do to do good in an internship is to take initiative. I can tell you th...
wait so literally just google what you don't know and try to get the job done, and when you are completely stumped ask a team member and show them what you already tried?
simple saffron
its just so odd because i see on reddit, people are like "i've been working at company A for 9 months and i still feel lost"
whereas we only have 3 months to even do anything
lunar dock
Also, googling stuff is okay and everyone does it. But dont copy and paste code straight in please. Make sure you understand everything and try to write your own. Bc if you cant explain what you supposedly wrote you're not learning anything
simple saffron
so im kinda scared
low epoch
that's why i get the impression internships are not about impact but like a trial run to see if they want you
abstract wagon
so im kinda scared
you'll be fine lol dw
low epoch
i mean do u even want interns to touch production code
lunar dock
wait so literally just google what you don't know and try to get the job done, a...
Yes but theres an art to doing this. You dont just look shit up and put in the first answer you get. You research the technology, find the optimal solution. There are usually multiple implementations and ways to do any one task. Your job is to find the best possible way to do it for the project you are working on
simple saffron
yeah. im just convincing myself that they wouldnt hire and train someone for 3 months to just let them leave. companies probably want to try to give you a return offer
abstract wagon
if you know how to write java i don't think it'll be too bad
simple saffron
ye
abstract wagon
especially if you've done some junit
lunar dock
The key point is just to have some autonomy. And dont run to your manager with every question you think of. For the questions you do have, bring your research and tell them why you're asking the question
abstract wagon
also would you guys intern at Thumbtack or Homeadvisor? they pay nice but I look them up and they look like scam sites....
simple jay
i mean do u even *want* interns to touch production code
interns def get to touch production code at a lot of places
simple saffron
homeadvisor is legit i think
abstract wagon
idk I see so many bad reviews
low epoch
yeah i believe u mikasa, i just can understand if they don't want u doing anything important
simple jay
like if everyday i ask my coworkers one question
i wouldnt consider a question a day a lot
abstract wagon
I used to ask like every hour or more
low epoch
yeah i'm very stubborn, i pretty much never ask for help
lunar dock
i mean do u even *want* interns to touch production code
Interns touch production code all the time. Theres usually an extensive review process before pushing to production so it's usually fine
abstract wagon
I strive to be annoying
twilit mesa
I used to ask like every hour or more
^
low epoch
thank u for clarification friends
simple saffron
what do you do when you genuinely get blocked
turbid river
Also gotta have multiple people to ask so you're not just bugging your manager the entire time
simple saffron
and nobody is available at the moment
low epoch
prob should stop texting her poggo
simple saffron
lmfao bean
man working remote sucks
i wish i could just walk over to my coworkers
abstract wagon
i try to read some relevant documents
or watch some youtube vids that might help
sometimes I end up resolving on my own
other times I guess I just have to wait
low epoch
agreed on remote sucking
twilit mesa
remote sucks so much
low epoch
i've had my manager and 2 ppl from my team email me like "we're excited to have you, let us know if u need anything" so i think that's a good sign
simple saffron
damn nobody has emailed me anything lmfaop
low epoch
helps to be handsome, guys, i have no other explanation
simple saffron
fair you gotta be at least a 9
lunar dock
Youd think that someone would have made some simulation of an office for virtual work, where you can "knock on the door" of your coworker and go chat with them as you would irl by now.
abstract wagon
ok you mean a 7 right? 9 is up there
dapper shard
hmm that makes me feel not as scared to go into an internship
low epoch
cs major 9 is a business major 7
restive falcon
theres more office politics than u realize
low epoch
i would imagine if u make zero progress in 2 hrs u should ask for help but it makes sense to read a lot of stuff online like people are saying here
restive falcon
being likable goes a long way
simple saffron
yeah i bet being a good office presence is sadly kinda rare in tech
abstract wagon
@restive falcon handsome confirmed
restive falcon
<@!737441215338905710> handsome confirmed
im no chadboard gg
low epoch
DROP all the tables in db ofc
dapper shard
im no chadboard gg
chadetteboard?
lunar dock
My mentor works in a chinese office and it's all office politics and ppl trying to screw eachother over to get to the top all the time.
Happy to never work in that environment
restive falcon
simple saffron
sudo stop
dapper shard
simple saffron
sudo go to horny jail
simple jay
?
lunar dock
Is anyone else confused?
simple jay
me
dapper shard
abstract wagon
wait what happened
abstract wagon
i dont respect people who delete their own messages
who does that
twilit mesa
i dont respect people who delete their own messages
D:
low epoch
idk kirb one sec they were talking about pip installs and now this
twilit mesa
who does that <:prayge:804409444741939200>
u bru
lunar dock
Oof did someone just get told on by mr admin? I was there and still have no idea what's going on
abstract wagon
if only I could delete my past rejections and failures
simple saffron
same but i cant delete myself
lunar dock
You can also have a bot that logs all conversation history and any deleted messages. Ooo scary boo
lunar dock
why is that scary
It's literally not, I'm just bored.
low epoch
yes
pliant hawk
if its not diamond hands ion want it
simple jay
ok
a wise man one told me “you can give a man a fish and feed him for a day, or you can teach a man to fish, but he may still starve if he’s unlucky”
v applicable to recruiting ^
worthy girder
has anyone interned for t mobile before / is willing to talk about it?
dim sentinel
Anyone do Activision Codility?
abstract wagon
a wise man one told me “you can give a man a fish and feed him for a day, or you...
i think this has been said a million times
lunar dock
Oof
simple jay
damn tough crowd
runic tinsel
I took an hour to do the Intuit OA (out of 2 hours) and the question was super easy but my brain was dead by then so I took time to find my bug. Does the time you take to get all test cases matter as much?
terse torrent
There was some debugging qn
dim sentinel
<@180758046350245888> i did one b4 it was not super hard
Oh damn I got 135 mins for 2 questions
abstract wagon
I took an hour to do the Intuit OA (out of 2 hours) and the question was super e...
its fine
oh btw piece of advice
since we were talking about internships
if there are events or social hours- GO
don't be the odd ball who doesn't show up to 90% of them
ashen needle
Any special advice for landing something at this point in the cycle lol
abstract wagon
just keep applying
I think until march it's still possible
going into april it's unlikely
ashen needle
Sounds good
abstract wagon
a lot of f500s and "less prestigious companies" hire closer to this time
but tbh like anything to get your foot through the door ykwim
ashen needle
Yea honestly
I’ve got a call with a CTO at a small startup tmrw so I’m interested to see what that entails
I just rlly hope I don’t get offered an unpaid internship cuz I just can’t take that
ashen needle
I’m also kinda banking on Constant Contact at this point
I’m rlly praying that pulls thru
ashen needle
Lol thanks. I’ve applied there for Fall and Spring and rejected both times so I’m hoping they just get tired of me and give me an offer
Kidding but
abstract wagon
yeah the first job is always the tough one
silk ridge
yes
ashen needle
I mean outside of that, I can just imagine how interviewing is easier
cyan valley
Yh once u learn the
process and what to do
Im sure u know what to say to basic questions
Like "Tell me about ur self"
LoL
ashen needle
Having only schools and projects to talk about in interviews is literal hell
cyan valley
^^^
silk ridge
and at least in my experience they almost always ask about ur past internships over ur projects or other stuff on ur resume
cyan valley
Yeh for sure
flat vine
tell me about your personal projects
ashen needle
I love building side projects but man is it hard to make it sound impressive sometimes
simple saffron
just gotta pick up an obscure field
and pray your interviewer doesnt know anything about it
ashen needle
Maybe I’ll just become a Svelte specialist and intern at 1 of the like 4 places that uses it in production
ashen needle
Lmao
abstract wagon
nobody wanted to hire me
i can tell
simple saffron
i can tell <:prayge:804409444741939200>
die
abstract wagon
thanks borko
silk ridge
idk why i have that emote 
dapper shard
flat vine
muted leaf
what's an example of office politics?
like telling things wrong when the person knew it was wrong just to make you do something wrong?
obtuse otter
<@!81597225767014400> linus where tf u at
PLAYING MINECRAFT
simple saffron
tru
ionic bronze
ive always thought it was more like getting people on your side to agree with u on things
low epoch
yeah it's that and also like let's say a coworker could clearly improve in something...you now face a spectrum of decisions
- confront coworker
- maybe they can't improve anything and ur the one that's wrong
- tell manager
- who cares, you're just an intern and it's not your business and you're better off keeping the peace
- everything in between or combination of the above
unfortunately many political issues at my previous workplaces have been people who were very unreliable and you don't know what to do (we all know they're bad at their job but they're friends with the manager so what can u do); failure to keep team updated on ur progress; not being friends with everyone, it pays to be social and get along
the old addage of "under-promise and over-deliver" probably also works if you want to build a good rep for yourself
vivid lintel
Office politics can run very deep. People pushing projects so they have proof in time for eval/promotion periods; people making verbal promises in meetings then taking them back if it becomes inconvenient; people intentionally or subconsciously leaving others out of the loop; giving preferential treatment (eg. manager deciding who gets to work on what projects, and they give the most interesting work to their favorites); etc.
Hopefully this stuff isn't actually too common in tech, but inevitably a little of it happens everywhere
Interns and new grads are often shielded from this stuff because they don't need to interact much with other engineers outside a handful on their team
And yea @low epoch gave a great example of an underperforming engineer who is buddies with the manager, so you can't do much about it
earnest musk
step 1: be hot like @low epoch
dapper shard
So I’ve heard as an engineer that you want to avoid giving time estimates for when things should be completed if at all possible, is this true?
Because too many things can come up that either shorten or extend the time estimate you give. This is mainly in the scenario of talking to a client which we as engineers and new grads won’t have to do. But is it common even as a senior or do you generally figure out how to estimate things time wise by that point?
patent sluice
are you generally expected to give time estimates to your manager
quartz dock
yes
ionic bronze
just triple your expected time, lower expectations, finish in half that, pro$$motion
cedar sentinel
lol google really pays peanuts compared to rest of big names
ionic bronze
i think if you have a competing offer they push your TC up
cedar sentinel
yeah but if u dont, you're stuck with $30/hr at google
soft hound
google negotiates??
abstract wagon
what's the square final round like?
thick shore
what's the square final round like?
cc @restive falcon
restive falcon
Uh I just got three rounds of phone interviews for fall 2020
abstract wagon
@restive falcon can i dm you bout it
lament spade
How long did it take for ppl to hear back from an Amazon final?
novel tulip
Why does Amazon say "Applicants should have a minimum of one quarter/semester remaining in their studies after their internship concludes."? What happens if I graduate in spring?
lament spade
I think that’s that’s just so it qualifies as an internship in the first place
ashen needle
i got call later today with startup with cto. any advice
restive falcon
Jane street doesn’t do referrals
abstract wagon
qualcomm interview was ez but it was crypto role rather than product security
do i really want to implement crypto in C?
low epoch
@abstract wagon hey whatever happened to ur prospects with fb security?
sry if i'm out of loop or forgot
but it sounded cool
abstract wagon
<@456226577798135808> hey whatever happened to ur prospects with fb security?
the interview didnt know python and told me to remove element in place from immutable string
so reject
it was easier than lc easy but rng by interviewer
i think the interviewers only know C++ if you apply for C++ security role which makes sense
ashen needle
if a recruiter told me she'd touch base with me "at the end of January/beginning of February when Summer recruiting kicks in", do you think I should follow up rn, or wait a few more days since its still the beginning of Feb
twilit mesa
has anyone been able to move their summer internship to fall
ionic bronze
isn't auto just like var in c#
split fractal
let's say your type is vector<vector<int>>, instead of typing that whole thing out in front of a variable declaration, you can just say "auto" and it will get the type if you are using some constructor
for(int i : array){
}
for(auto i : array) {
}
both do the same thing
dapper shard
ive always taken auto as just something that acts as an interpreter for your data type.
bitter geyser
Has anyone gotten docusign interview?
gray quarry
^^ wondering the same
mortal coyote
roku AI/ML intern ($45/hr + sign-on bonus) vs wish swe intern ($40/hr)
abstract wagon
roku (imo)
loud hollow
roku AI/ML intern ($45/hr + sign-on bonus) vs wish swe intern ($40/hr)
what about tiktok 
mortal coyote
what about tiktok <a:Smoge:783508823914053684>
tiktok out
@abstract wagon @abstract wagon why
abstract wagon
because i dont like wish's product
loud hollow
which loc?
abstract wagon
and yeah ai/ml good opportunity
cyan valley
ai / ml >>>
mortal coyote
which loc?
san jose
abstract wagon
prolly going to leave again again
my recruiting season is about to end for real this time i think
i'll just have to accept propel
abstract wagon
im tired of interviewing
legit since aug to feb ive had to study for internships wtf
everyone shitting on amazon esp propel
muted apex
everyone shitting on amazon esp propel
amazon?
dapper shard
not shitting on it
personally i would've taken patreon but all up to you do
be happy with the both of them though regardless
those are accomplishments
narrow patrol
^^
umbral heart
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749291806511857734/805879283766657096/unknown.png found this earlier today for a summer 2021 intern 
ionic bronze
i bet they pay $12/hr 
still gazelle
MINIMUM 5 YOE
modern lintel
they're flexible dw
narrow patrol
do yall go to random work meetings?
that are like optional but you were invited to
ionic bronze
also they probably would have pinged you if they really needed you there
narrow patrol
it was a planning meeting for some separate side application
that i am not totally involved in
but its somewhat imporatnt to the team
only half the team was there (but all the ppl invited were there except me )
ionic bronze
FFFF lolol
narrow patrol
idk why i was invited tbh
i dont know anything about the side application
ig to learn more maybe?
should have went goddam it
ember stream
lol
anyone else having trouble with lever applications
It cant parse my resume today for some reason
umbral heart
had the same issue too
ember stream
there parser must be down then
umbral heart
believe that's why the parser pinned is having issues as well
simple jay
if people are still looking for internships and are interested in earlier stage startups there's a lot here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oj95C9qalnFh4xP5ygUgSCHMFDRCgd3O7nuiKXYXF3w/edit#
you'll have to look for the ones taking SWE interns tho
ember stream
if people are still looking for internships and are interested in earlier stage ...
Do you have to be a UCLA student?
simple jay
nope
ember stream
cool, thanks for sharing
ember stream
if people are still looking for internships and are interested in earlier stage ...
wait this was jan 29th lol
clear kestrel
hey everyone! i need some advice. right now im a 3rd year undergrad majoring in psychology and my application for me to change my major to SWE (BS in software engineering is offered at my university) just got rejected so my school is basically forcing me to stay in psych. Given that brief background info, should i do any bootcamps during my undergrad to help better prepare me for a career in SWE?
simple jay
ye but they're still hiring
ember stream
ah ok
simple jay
if you're having trouble getting in touch w someone DM me and depending on which one i might/can probably help lol
unreal anchor
@simple jay oh ucla? 👉 👈
tacit halo
Read the conversation last night and yeah I really think people underestimate office politics
Would u say return offers are largely based on what quantitative results u produce?
Or do personal factors outweigh everything
Qualitative factors I mean
Let’s say u exceed expectations and do a very good job on ur project, but ur a complete asshole, is that alone enough to destroy the chances of a return offer
unreal anchor
are u trying to imply something lol
abstract wagon
If you are a complete asshole towards your manager is better for you to refuse the return offer
livid beacon
part of work performance is not being an asshole
ionic bronze
how2slide into coworker dm
pliant hawk
how2get return offer 
tiny gulch
anyone interview for SAP vancouver this month? has anyone heard back?
terse torrent
How long does ebay take to give offers
vapid condor
LMAO
another offer
even when i did absolute dogshit on the interview
i swear my luck stats is maxed out
vapid condor
evertz
a canadian broadcasting company!
the role was software developer - project
xd
guess the stressing was worth it
abstract wagon
@vapid condor legend
vapid condor
i swear
all luck no skill
all ur prayers are heard by the intern god and the intern god blessed me
thank you so much bro
simple jay
<@!138227909776113664> oh ucla? 👉 👈
i go to 
abstract wagon
never heard of that UC
amber lark
hey everyone! i need some advice. right now im a 3rd year undergrad majoring in ...
Hey you don't need to do a bootcamp. You can still be a very succesful software engineer with a psychology degree, you just gotta work on your own portfolio of side projects, once you get your foot in door at your first internship, it's relativley easy getting positions afterwards
low epoch
all ur prayers are heard by the intern god and the intern god blessed me
Mr Emote
ember stream
hey everyone! i need some advice. right now im a 3rd year undergrad majoring in ...
Have you thought of potentially transferring?
clear kestrel
Hey you don't need to do a bootcamp. You can still be a very succesful software ...
ah okay i see thank you, but what if i still need to work on learning and getting comfortable with java and c++?
thing is
im already a transfer student haha
ember stream
oh haha
clear kestrel
before transferring to my university, their criteria and requirements to change majors as a transfer student was easier
ember stream
If you could maybe pick up a CS minor that could work too
clear kestrel
then going into my first quarter this past fall
they changed the catalogue so i got fked
abstract wagon
ah okay i see thank you, but what if i still need to work on learning and gettin...
do you have electives?
i would recommend taking data structures and algorithms
clear kestrel
yeah but theres some prereqs i gotta complete before im able to take data structures
and algorithms are restricted to major only
abstract wagon
clear kestrel
cause CS is pretty impacted at my school so theres a restriction set on those classes
abstract wagon
it's going to be difficult but you're going to need to self study then
clear kestrel
so far, im well familiar with python (between intro to intermediate level) and java (introductory level) since those were the two courses i was allowed to take
in terms of electives, i took boolean algebra/logic and currently taking cs-specific discrete math
terse torrent
@vapid condor congrats
vapid condor
ahh tyty
formal finch
damn if I only got interview with Kraft food
small fossilBOT
You can only use this command in #2021_grad_process or #2021_intern_process
earnest musk
CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE
ancient flower
does anyone know what ocient's hackerrank is like?
sinful oar
frozen palm
does anyone know what ocient's hackerrank is like?
i think it was implementing cpu instructions, like part 1 was make memory, part 2 was make instruction decoder, and part 3 was implement instructions
jolly flint
does anyone know what ocient's hackerrank is like?
legend has it they give ancient problems
cyan valley
^LOL
ancient flower
Bruh
split fractal
they hung me publicly
split fractal
death
ancient flower
Oh no
ancient flower
What is it then
ancient flower
So like leetcode design tag?
split fractal
idk i've never seen that
it isn't normal system design
it's literally like, they ask you to construct a class that can hold memory blocks that can be written to or something
OHHH
yeah
it's like
turing machine
ancient flower
turing machine
Coding a turning machine?
split fractal
at the end they literally have like commands, and your program like has to respond to low level register style commands
ancient flower
So designing a class?
ancient flower
Bruh
split fractal
Do you know what the rest of the process is like
no cuz i got rejected after OA
narrow patrol
@split fractal what company
split fractal
ocient
ancient flower
Ocient
narrow patrol
oh
split fractal
hella hard
ancient flower
How much do they pay?
split fractal
yea intel pays kinda bad too
narrow patrol
ik intern salary doesnt matter much but its kinda underwhelming
split fractal
but who cares
ancient flower
ik intern salary doesnt matter much but its kinda underwhelming
Yeah
split fractal
even tesla pays bad
ancient flower
Tesla is fun tho
split fractal
like 27 or something
ancient flower
Is ocient more or less?
split fractal
Tesla is fun tho
the name is great, but I've heard they basically use interns as cheap labor lol
ancient flower
And is there anything else you can tell me about the oa lol
split fractal
nah i dont remember
narrow patrol
i think ocient is like
$5000/mo + 3000 rsus?? but the RSU doesnt count unless you sign back full time
or smthn really dumb like that
so its bascally just 5000/mo or 28/hr
split fractal
LOL, rsu meme, chances of realizing something of value there is so low
narrow patrol
LOL, rsu meme, chances of realizing something of value there is so low
lmaooo
im sure u can get smthn better tbh 🙂
ancient flower
build a virtual machine
Oh
split fractal
like 100 min
split fractal
like, i just ran out of time
ancient flower
What made it take time?
dapper shard
unless you know immediately how to do and have somehow done it before
ancient flower
Hmu
split fractal
so if you don't get Q1 you're basically done
or if you don't do Q1 in a very specific way
ur done
it's so dumb lmfao
split fractal
as in the questions build on each other bruh
ancient flower
How does that work on a hackerrank
split fractal
question 2 is reliant on your question 1 stuff working
ancient flower
Is it just just one big question
split fractal
How does that work on a hackerrank
they literally ask you to copy paste your class from Q1 to Q2 and continue working
thorny gorge
i just found out, kohls has a program like this but its stupid
6 week program just for an interview
formal finch
i just found out, kohls has a program like this but its stupid
yeah def not worth it
i rather study lc within that time
pliant hawk
they really interview a year early, mad wild
thorny gorge
lol
thorny gorge
they really interview a year early, mad wild
are u a junior?
pliant hawk
ye
pliant hawk
yea prob not cuz this program only gets u interview for next summer lmao
pliant hawk
do u want my recrutiers linkedin / email lmao
thorny gorge
do u want my recrutiers linkedin / email lmao
👀
it would mean the world tbh
you know whats funny
since kohls was on my profile on job pages
id get scouted by retail positions for kohls
.
dusty vine
yeah i was talking to Ocient recruiter abt the hackerrank problem
and she was like. Our engineers wanted it to be unique they worked rly hard on it
lol
i kinda liked it tbh
dusty vine
When i did my ocient recruiter screen i thought ocient was a gaming company until she asked me why i wanna work there and i quickly googled them and was like fuck
dusty vine
Free dash pass 😎
imma feast dis summer 😎😎
loud hollow
imma feast dis summer 😎😎
ill support the homies going uber eats to ->>> doordash
low epoch
i use grubhub because i have gift cards
dapper shard
When i did my ocient recruiter screen i thought ocient was a gaming company unti...
no cap i thought vanguard was a bank or some shit and i said that on the phone and the recruiter was like "we are a digital advertising company actually" lmaooo
twilit mesa
rip
thorn leaf
no cap i thought vanguard was a bank or some shit and i said that on the phone a...
LMAO
ionic bronze
F in moving forward 
dapper shard
its okay. vanguard is stinky anyway 
thorn leaf
i thought i was applying to Lucid Motors so in my application i talked about my love of cars and autonomy and stuff, and turns out it was for Lucid Software aka a visual design platform company
rejected within a few days
earnest musk
F
edgy dagger
F
dapper shard
F
pliant hawk
F
ionic bronze
F
ember stream
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dapper shard
is GS doing spring?
ionic bronze
gamestop?
dapper shard
goldman sachs lol
ionic bronze
smh
dusty vine
no cap i thought vanguard was a bank or some shit and i said that on the phone a...
wtf
are they not a bank
their fault for choosing the same name as a popular bank/investing service
dapper shard
Ikr
jolly flint
When i did my ocient recruiter screen i thought ocient was a gaming company unti...
lmao bruh
flat vine
i'm so tired of having to use the 'we' pronoun in interviews all the time. we can see the time is bounded by the sort this, we know we'll have to use binary search that. like im doing all the work while my interviewer just sits there jacking off and saying nothing. i'm going to start using the 'i' pronoun in my interviews from now on. I know the time is bounded by sort, I know I'll have to use binary search. it's time for me to take credit for what I'M doing
cyan valley
LOL
abstract wagon
i'm so tired of having to use the 'we' pronoun in interviews all the time. we ca...
LOL
cedar sentinel
i'm so tired of having to use the 'we' pronoun in interviews all the time. we ca...
🤡
dusty vine
i'm so tired of having to use the 'we' pronoun in interviews all the time. we ca...
this is...beautiful
thorn leaf
ahhhhhhh
livid beacon
i'm so tired of having to use the 'we' pronoun in interviews all the time. we ca...
when I use “we” I like to imagine that I’m channeling the collective energy of ppl who actually leetcode during my interviews
hasty pulsar
humble pendant
oo if I was in your situation I'd probably renege
some people in this channel said that people have reneged internships but got full time offers from Amazon - idk the truth to that tho personally
dapper shard
msft or morgan stanley?
msft def unless you really want to work in finance sector for some reason
dapper shard
twilit mesa
ayo?
abstract wagon
ayo?
simple saffron
ayo?
muted leaf
oya?
limber hazel
I dont think its worth reneging lol
abstract wagon
i think it is
limber hazel
msft vs amazon?
not worth the risk of getting blacklisted
amazon pays more after a promo or two so you probably want to keep the option open
muted leaf
incoming amazon roast detected
ionic bronze
@merry ruin what's ur company u accepted already?
ionic bronze
where do u wanna work ft with?
abstract wagon
msft wlb
ionic bronze
o I thought Amazon was double lol
muted leaf
Oya oya oya bokuto voice
i dont watch anime lol
what year are you??
o
it comes down to where you want to work ft
ionic bronze
Idk if you don't care about Amazon or think you'd ever go back I'd pick Microsoft lol
Plus wlb is so much more important than pay
limber hazel
@ionic bronze everyone I know that went to msft is leaving after 2-3 years
often to amazon
I dont think its worth closing that door
dapper shard
<@!190362312098578432> everyone I know that went to msft is leaving after 2-3 ye...
why? do they get bored?
ionic bronze
<@!190362312098578432> everyone I know that went to msft is leaving after 2-3 ye...
O really? why?
limber hazel
microsoft is great for new grad
but the pay doesnt scale very well
you can check levels
limber hazel
after a promo or two microsoft pay falls off hard
dapper shard
then msft is good
limber hazel
when you can make double somewhere else...
you probably will care a bit about pay, even if youre pretty frugal
https://www.levels.fyi/?compare=Amazon,Google,Facebook,Microsoft&track=Software Engineer if anyone wants to check
ionic bronze
That's true...
Senior level at Microsoft doesn't go very high
Well relatively speaking
limber hazel
like if you were choosing between msft and amazon then sure take msft
but I dont think its worth reneging
ionic bronze
200k vs 500k at a FAANG is a huge difference
limber hazel
yep
dapper shard
probably not
honestly
don't know how much companies actually blacklist
pretty sure it is more of an individual recruiter thing
they do
they just don't give out emails
hard to find actual amazon recruiter emails
yeah
tardy minnow
I had an amazon recruiter and she was responding to my emails in <8 hrs da 🐐 fr
muted leaf
if i dont have my recruiter's email to renege but only have some sort of amazon-intern-only faq email address...
should i ask for one to a recruiter just to send renege letter 
??
twilit mesa
for u bro
muted leaf
thanks fellow simp
lunar dock
Idk if this will help at all but since someone made the point above that everyone they knew from ms goes to amazon after a couple years, I would like to also point out that a lot of ppl I know from a bunch of top tech go to another one after 2-3 years. This is very common, especially for new grads
twilit mesa
^
lunar dock
@merry ruin are you going for internship or new grad?
Oh good
I say that bc this means if you do end up picking amazon, you can try it out for a few months, see what it's like, then interview for other companies in new grad
twilit mesa
lilio can you move msft to fall ?
lunar dock
I'm very cautious of working at amazon bc it's the only company where I consistently hear people tell horror stories about. So i think it would be worth it to try it out for a summer first, then run if you find that its bad. Idk how transition to ft works there, but if you get a good team this internship and are able to keep working on that team ft, you minimize the risk
If you took ms internship and decided to go to amazon ft, who knows what sort of awful team you might end up on
...Buuut personally I would still go ms (wlb + their internship programs are really good, if you care about that stuff)
Oh also hello fellow canadian
solar phoenix
isnt msft wlb supreme
i talked to a senior engineer who works there a while back and he said the company and culture heavily emphasize having a life outside of work and not having the two bleed into each other
twilit mesa
idk if this helps but I think you should also choose which ever you'd regret the least
lunar dock
i talked to a senior engineer who works there a while back and he said the compa...
They want you to develop ideas for them outside of work, then gives you resources to make those ideas come true and help you develop them further... for the company. They give you good wlb so you can come up with new products and initiatives for them basically
But bc they're getting smt out of it, that's how you know the wlb will be legit
loud hollow
i saw someone on linkedin thats interning at amazon and msft over the summer
u should probably check start and end dates ik amazons is really late like in last week of july
so maybe you can squeeze both in
@merry ruin
id take msft then
LOl
timber sky
@merry ruin what was your timeline for msft
simple saffron
also ur ceo isnt a monster
hm
if you're in canada i feel like this question is very different
i know companies can vary wildly based on which country you're working out of
so better not to heed this servers advice
we're super usa centric
lunar dock
For us canadians it's a lot harder to find info about pay and internship info here. Its ridiculous. No subreddits, no discord servers, not even slacks (or at least I havent found any yet). Is there noone doing internships in canada or smt? Smh
Sry for the rant
lunar dock
Yes exactly and it leaves no information about the canadian satellite offices of companies. Google, ms, amazon, snap, fb (tho they dont hire swes there yet), etc.
gaunt mirage
I scheduled my first interview
Then rejected before I had the interview
Opploan
gray quarry
Has anyone gotten docusign interview?
i emailed docusign yesterday and they said they'll be in touch this week or early next week
terse torrent
I woke up to a DocuSign email ||only to find out they want to give me 20% off ||😡
sturdy wadi
is tmobile still hiring? i got a hirevue from them a while ago but forgot to do it lmao
cyan valley
tmobile litty
gray quarry
im pretty sure its a no
twilit mesa
someone sent an ss of the FAQ that amazon sends and it says you cant move offer to fall
sinful oar
Tinder is actively hiring for mobile and fullstack interns, not sure if posting is out yet
still trellis
they asked me validate BST after that but lmao
muted leaf
let me borrow some luck and energy
still trellis
still ezpz
still trellis
hell ya 💪 😎
muted leaf
what year are you if you dont mind
still trellis
junior lmfao
still trellis
i sounded like a spaz during my behavioral questions tho lmao but hopefully
ancient flower
does anyone know what the boring company hr phone is like?
dapper shard
Tinder is actively hiring for mobile and fullstack interns, not sure if posting ...
aye imma need the link to this when you get it. for a friend 😳
sinful oar
Tinder is actively hiring for mobile and fullstack interns, not sure if posting ...
Got the info from Inroads, along with other great internship opportunities. Join if you haven’t already: https://inroads.org/internships/apply/
restive falcon
hey i know this isn't a big deal, but please don't discuss explicit interview questions on this discord 🙂
its just a hard and fast rule we have
abstract wagon
wtf is software product sprint
i have college no time for unpaid internships
i turned down a paid one for spring semester
ionic bronze
that's brilliant
abstract wagon
what work even is it? some pet project
but you can put google on resume now
i got cssi reject
2019 i think
i heard if you have experience they say no
fuck ive interviewed with google 3 times
and got rejected every time
i want to work in google project zero
next year hopefully i become OP
im just studying security now
wtf they said hbcu
i go to target school
google visits/recruits oncampus like 3 times a semester at least at my college
whatever cssi project looked like web dev/app dev
very basic things intro to Python and JS mainly
i need a product security discord
even google can't use google docs correctly
the SPS google doc doesn't allow you to open it
runic tinsel
if a codesignal test is certified, there's no issue with cheating right
as in you were not flagged for cheating right
this is for the proctored exam
abstract wagon
yea
runic tinsel
because i started staring outside for a bit and was super worried id get flagged for cheating
neat tiger
does anyone know if citadel is still hiring?
pearl quartz
are amazon and twitter the only Big N tier companies still hiring?
neat tiger
any other unc kids here?
@ruby gull im unc gang gang
abstract wagon
idk why i bother going to company webinars
change your name from poggo to simp
simple saffron
fight me
cyan valley
What's wayup
I must have had to use it for an application
and now im getting random dms
narrow patrol
wtf that is like 3-4 months
yikes
damn sounds like a mess recruiting wise
its ok tbh, kinda late for ipo anyway so there isnt a ton of upside working there anymore ig
patent sluice
andy jassy simp andy jassy simp andy jassy simp
jagged mason
@stone gull took me many emails to get a response. seems like they only go for ivy leagues. I also had the chance to talk to a recruiter on the phone and talk about the recruiting process
simple saffron
LMAO
loud raft
what is bezzy gonna focus on now?
thorny gorge
me 😈
tacit marsh
<@165626765484490753> im unc gang gang
@ruby gull unc gang gang we turning up ! 
obtuse spruce
Looks like Jeff got the PIP
sweet pollen
Can you lose your internship if you annoy your recruiter too much after you sign your offer? I've been asking my recruiter logistical questions fairly frequently and she takes a while to reply
twilit mesa
i doubt it
lunar dock
RIP Bezos as amazon ceo
abstract wagon
Can he FIRE?
narrow patrol
probably but he might be a little short for fatfire
strong dove
Prolly wrong place but I have exp with C++ and JAVA. How bad will Python be and are there any goood tutorials out there?
abstract wagon
He should have moved to Google for a better salary instead of getting peanuts at Amazon
lunar dock
Prolly wrong place but I have exp with C++ and JAVA. How bad will Python be and ...
Python shouldn't be a problem, both c languages and java are considered more difficult to learn. Tutorials tho idk. I usually recommend having a project in mind and making it yourself by looking things up rather than following one person's tutorial
timber solar
What is the fastest way to learn c++. I haven't used it in ages but I worked with it maybe 2 years back. I have an interview with Blizzard. Would appreciate your help.