2021_summer

[twilit mesa]

wait how many would u have

[abstract wagon]

stfu

[thick ridge]

only 3? if ur not 10x intern don't graduate

[vapid condor]

this hcat

chat

is too much

xd

[abstract wagon]

toxic

[formal finch]

3 internships after this upcoming summer will be done

[abstract wagon]

fyck i hate this shit

[barren night]

Did you guys notice your response rate go up a lot after you did your first internship?

[formal finch]

honestly I was thinking of graduating early

[abstract wagon]

spending my whole weekend doing leetcode again

[formal finch]

he

[thick ridge]

yes + grad year increase

[dapper shard]

"354 unread messages"

[abstract wagon]

lookin forward to this

[dapper shard]

yall just talk too much while yall wazowski staring me

[thick ridge]

arent u a soph

[abstract wagon]

yes

[formal finch]

no chill

[abstract wagon]

bro if i somehow get google i can just use return offers

no more leetcode ever

[twilit mesa]

^

[barren night]

Yeah i have 2022 grad year but only research (no internships) and not great projects so i might take a semester off bc i would be graduating early with like 1 internship

[dapper shard]

this is true

[abstract wagon]

wb amazon?

[dapper shard]

google will make you do conversion interview to go to full time

[formal finch]

why do you need to see me do coding interview again?

isn’t passing the internship interview enough???

[abstract wagon]

to waste money/time interviewing

[twilit mesa]

i've heard of people that have interned there twice and still had to interview for fte

[low epoch]

Because now they wanna make sure u can do LC super hard as opposed to intern level LC hard

[dapper shard]

this is true

[silk ridge]

great job in ur 3 months here, however you cannot return unless you can do a 1 hour dp graph problem

[abstract wagon]

no problem

conference room in 10

[abstract wagon]

id rather not

[thick ridge]

kirb invented LC interviews confirmed

[dapper shard]

i mean if you're confident that you can pass the conversion interview then sure go ahead

but personally

i would be fucking insulted

if my manager and team liked the work i did

and they hit my ass with another interview

i fail and then no return offer

[twilit mesa]

i think what's worse google also doesnt let you know if you have to interview or not until like after sept

[low epoch]

Cant ur manager just put in good word for u if they have clout

[formal finch]

not only that but Google nerf your tc

I heard some interns at Google skip the conversion interview

[nova inlet]

what does tc mean?

[formal finch]

but it’s rare from what I can tell

[twilit mesa]

total compensation

[abstract wagon]

security interns?

[formal finch]

Idk

[thick shore]

u basically have to intern 2x, its some weird system they have about how they determine who is eligible to skip conversion interviews

intern 2x with some rating from both managers/mentors

[formal finch]

Oh I see. Explains why it’s bit rare

since you need to come back twice

[lilac cloak]

iirc google wants 4 good data points

so if you only internd there for 1 summer

they only ahve 2

first interveiw process

and sumjmer intern

[vapid condor]

o i saw peepo peeking

o joey here too

xd i sparked a large conversation didnt i

[formal finch]

haha this is normal tbh

[vapid condor]

server seems so chill, glad i joined here lol

not chill in the sense of everyone in faang

[lilac cloak]

i don't think everyone's in faang tho

but that's fine

[vapid condor]

was teasin

but most ppl in a pretty good spot

[low epoch]

everyone is in faang here no cap

[lilac cloak]

my school is somewhat near boston and chewy and mathworks are two companies in mass i really liked

[twilit mesa]

FAANGULTAD

[vapid condor]

i saw some guy from canada got an offer in riot

dream life holy

[lilac cloak]

riot has some internal culture issues

[twilit mesa]

bring up your elo in valorant

[lilac cloak]

but i'd like to try workkgn ther some day

[vapid condor]

im still silver in val

help

wait

its probably why i still dont have job offers yet

[lilac cloak]

riot's been talking about how theyve been improving internal culture

i hope they have bene o.o

[vapid condor]

must grind to gold

[lilac cloak]

been*

[twilit mesa]

na dont worry bru some pro's were plat at the start of the season

[lilac cloak]

being plat in val is prereq to entering rito

[vapid condor]

LOL

i wouold keep that in mind

[low epoch]

Tbh everyone here is either in faang, handsome, or 6 feet tall

[vapid condor]

gonna grind hard

wait do i need to hit plat in both val and league

[formal finch]

bold of u to assume that I’m in FAANG

[silk ridge]

my riot recruiter talked about how they played aram during work

[vapid condor]

bold to assume im handsome or 6 feettall

LOL

work culture op

i consider myself ok looking and thats all

[low epoch]

Remember, a normal 7/10 is a CS major 9

So ur in good company

[nova inlet]

Any Canadians here have tips for finding an entry level position here? I barely see any postings

[vapid condor]

@nova inlet there are many 👀

indeed linkedin etc

[barren night]

And if ur school has a career fair or site check that too

[nova inlet]

Man Indeed was legit giving me like 30 jobs of which 10 were excel, other 5 were 3 years+ experience, and then that's 1 5jobs left from 3 other companies - I'm looking at LinkedIn and it seems to have a lot more

[lone orbit]

There’s a ton of postings on linkedIn. If not find a company and go to their careers page, i have seen some companies not posting on linkedIn. ( EA for example )

[vapid condor]

there are a bit of new grad postings too

if u are looking for that

[lilac cloak]

not from canada, but last year i had no experience

went to career fairs

looked thru school resources and cold aplied some places

ended up finding a company that recruits at my college p often

in a nearby state

not a f500 company or anything, but their bar was kinda low

mostly behavioral

ended up getting in and that was good experience

dont disparage any spots bc of 'prestige' or something

[nova inlet]

[vapid condor]

maybe i really should start cold emailing

[nova inlet]

Yeah idk there was a Unity infosession yesterday through our Uni and I went, they said they wont be taking anyone who's graduating later than 2022 because they want to rehire them so that's my chances gone

but I dont see any fully fledged career fair actually being planned might be bcause of covid

[vapid condor]

wait what year are u?

[nova inlet]

first year

[vapid condor]

oh

then

[lilac cloak]

i swear i got 2 lc hard on mine

[vapid condor]

i dont have any experience with first year applying stuff I'm pretty sure there are many others who have tho

[lilac cloak]

but usually it's lc easy/medium

[dapper shard]

who

[lilac cloak]

(afaik)

[tacit halo]

@thick ridge just curious what company was the karat for?

Also u guys know if google is hiring?

I applied a while ago and never heard back

Not rejected

[formal finch]

unsure if they have a lot of spots

My friend just did an interview

[sonic badger]

@nova inlet keep tellin u

shit will pop up

[tacit halo]

Does anyone know?

[lilac cloak]

ngl

hi dawg

[sonic badger]

check glassdoor too

ngl hi drop

[nova inlet]

@sonic badger it makes me feel like I'm proactive to ask and look around

[sonic badger]

Path is my nefew @lilac cloak

[nova inlet]

[thick shore]

i recruited path to the discord smh

[sonic badger]

wtf

where

how

wtf

[thick shore]

he was talking about interview prep in another discord

[sonic badger]

[lilac cloak]

dawg how become nefew

[sonic badger]

go to my shithole school

[tacit halo]

Which one?

[nova inlet]

XD

[tacit halo]

I wanna know what discord’s exist

[sonic badger]

but fr

@nova inlet

[lilac cloak]

wait dawg

u should com e to my school

[sonic badger]

time to start applying to everything

[lilac cloak]

both clowning

[nova inlet]

Ima just go back to doing leetcode in Java

[sonic badger]

and pay 180k?

[lilac cloak]

huh

oh ig my sschool is 50k/yr for oos

[nova inlet]

I dont wanna apply to everyone on coop dooood

[lilac cloak]

but they v generous on scholarshipos

to subsidize down to in-state

which is arond 30k/yr

[nova inlet]

Ima end up working at Bombardier and literally do nothing

[sonic badger]

ye well

its better than literally not working

[nova inlet]

Ya'll pay an arm and a leg for school - ya'lls school as crappy?

[sonic badger]

cant be picky this year

[nova inlet]

I was hoping I'd find an interesting startup to work at at least but so far nothing

[lilac cloak]

eh i mean

using school for anything but the education

well theres classes

[tacit halo]

Will get back to u soon

Just got caught up in a lot of stuff

[nova inlet]

aye well good luck everyone with interviews, back to schoolwork for me

[sonic badger]

if it makes u feel any better i didnt get shit my first yera

[nova inlet]

Oh no

now I'm scared

[sonic badger]

and only got like 1 interview

lol

[nova inlet]

ok im applying to tim hortons

[lilac cloak]

dw dawg i also iddnt get shit my first year

i think i had 1 or 2 interviews

at smaller companies

or was it 0

i forget

wait but psycho

u should check if t hey have swe

walmart mcdonalds and chick fil a have swe positions

[nova inlet]

I was kind of meeming but at this stage

[abstract wagon]

walmart labs is good if you havent applied

[nova inlet]

oh yeah, are any of those things Canada as well

rejection for being 'a foreign national' hurts

[sonic badger]

most places will sponsor

[nova inlet]

[sonic badger]

just go apply at genetec

[nova inlet]

Dawg can you sponsor me

[sonic badger]

like every conu student

[nova inlet]

I'll do the job for you and get payed half

[unreal anchor]

when ur not any of those

[still gazelle]

2nd and 3rd dont matter

its only what u work for in life that matters

[ionic bronze]

mention ur 500k TC on the first date

[timber sky]

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/michaeljcai_data-science-intern-summer-2021-activity-6757470278261051392-T_mU

If anyone is interested in Data science ^

[obtuse otter]

@fast dagger

[low epoch]

@fast dagger @low epoch

[obtuse otter]

this has to end now

[sinful tinsel]

is it possible 2 hav multipl referrals for one company?

[obtuse otter]

depends on company

[sinful tinsel]

which companies dont allow dat?

[obtuse otter]

honestly idk

[tacit halo]

At faang it’s more than 1%

I’d estimate 10%

Considering the cutoff for the top 1% nationally is around 500k and swes are significantly above the median , it’s probably much more than 500k

[hasty panther]

@tacit halo Reed is not no name

[tacit halo]

Unless there’s a plateau

[tacit halo]

Explain?

What’s reed

[hasty panther]

A while ago you mentioned Steve Jobs went to reed

And reed was no name

[tacit halo]

Oh

[abstract wagon]

ah you must be new here, welcome

[hasty panther]

Help me choose : IBM vs Roblox , don't care about money

[abstract wagon]

roblox

[tacit halo]

I was just trying to say that it’s not necessary to go to hypsm to found a successful startup

Roblox all the way

[hasty panther]

I know alex,I was kidding lol

My family hasn't heard about Roblox and wants me to choose IBM for intern.

Also, Roblox is over hyped maybe

[abstract wagon]

there's so many pros to roblox

[still gazelle]

roblox >>>>

[hasty panther]

Once kids go to school, their shares might tank

[still gazelle]

you cant even put ibm in the same sentence as roblox

[tacit halo]

Join roblox for full time

Shares 🚀

[still gazelle]

thats assuming no one has kids during that

[abstract wagon]

at the moment it's a unicorn, it's not outdated like ibm, less people, interesting tech (friend was on telemetry team)

[tacit halo]

That means there’s a lot of growth potential

[hasty panther]

I am in the Dev Services team for Roblox and CIO for Ibm

Ibm office is in NYC tho

San Mateo is lame

[simple saffron]

reed is pretty no name

[hasty panther]

😂

[tacit halo]

Roblox could be worth a lot more in the future

[abstract wagon]

id go roblox still, you'll probably learn more and get better opportunities

[tacit halo]

It will make u rich

[hasty panther]

Eh! I go to Reed. Don't say that

[tacit halo]

Or at least possibly

[simple saffron]

boo u go to a dumb school

jk

[hasty panther]

😂

[abstract wagon]

@simple saffron where do you go again?

rutgers?

[tacit halo]

So much tc nonsense in this chat

[simple saffron]

ur moms house

[abstract wagon]

never heard of it

[tacit halo]

I’m going to usc

Accepted as a transfer

[simple saffron]

i dont go to rutgers lmao

[hasty panther]

Usc is hot 🔥

[simple saffron]

but i do go to a no name school

[tacit halo]

It is

[abstract wagon]

im not even hating but you say this while also asking

[tacit halo]

We’re all hypocrites

[abstract wagon]

"whats rivian tc"

[hasty panther]

Ah the irony lol

[abstract wagon]

"what amazon tc"

"bro what is twitch tc"

list goes on

[tacit halo]

I couldn’t care less about amazon tc

[hasty panther]

Amazon is around 160 new grad

[tacit halo]

It’s not a real concern for me

[simple saffron]

how many tattoos do you have smunez

[tacit halo]

Since I’m doing my own startups

[hasty panther]

Why , only a couple

[tacit halo]

I only care about internships

[simple saffron]

reed fellas are always yatted

i respect it

[low epoch]

i have tattos of LC solutions

for reference

[simple saffron]

holy shit genius

[tacit halo]

I will seriously consider dropping out if I get a respectable amount of funding, but I will not do it until I have an internship on my resume

Who else finds school demoralizing

[hasty panther]

Mw for sure

[simple saffron]

alex you should become a linkedin influencer

[hasty panther]

My school begins on Monday

[tacit halo]

90% of the benefits of school comes from networking

[tacit halo]

I’m kind of one

[simple saffron]

you have very good regular takes

[abstract wagon]

this tbh

[tacit halo]

I’m starting to become one

I have 11k followers

Already

[hasty panther]

Jesus

[tacit halo]

I want to grow it into the millions

[low epoch]

are u for real dawg

[hasty panther]

Alex the real giga Chad over here

[low epoch]

hey alex can you promo something for me

[tacit halo]

I have 8000 connections tho

[tacit halo]

What is it?

[low epoch]

kirby action figure

[tacit halo]

Sure!

[simple saffron]

W

[low epoch]

very nice, will DM u with details

80/20 profit split

[tacit halo]

Great!

Sure!

[low epoch]

oh dang i don't wanna be mean bro i'm actually just joking

i wish i had a kirby action figure 😦

[tacit halo]

I’m actually gonna become an influencer now

[abstract wagon]

profits 📉

[tacit halo]

My posts have been very well received

And a tiktok and instagram influencer

I’m on a tiktok video with over a million views. I didn’t handle the marketing

My cofounder did

It wasn’t too hard to do

Tiktok is underrated

[simple saffron]

do you dance

[tacit halo]

We literally just put out relevant hashtags and got views

[abstract wagon]

dont mean to ruin the fun but #random please

[tacit halo]

That’s part of it

[simple saffron]

narc

red hat still hiring btw to those still looking for summer stuff

[tacit halo]

Lots of places are still hiring

Millions

[simple saffron]

dunno about millions of places hiring summer interns

but

true

[tacit halo]

Okay thousands

Wait... I just got a really disturbing email

I got accused of cheating on a homework?!?!?!?!?!?!

Okay I didn’t cheat

Now I have to meat with the academic integrity office. They’re taking one tiny homework so seriously.

Let me read the details

[still gazelle]

so did u cheat

[tacit halo]

Not that I’m aware of

Let me read the email

[nova inlet]

👀

[low epoch]

[simple saffron]

i remember my calc prof accused all of us for cheating

tbf we all used slader

so kinda deserved

[nova inlet]

[tacit halo]

Okay. They’re saying that my homework answers look very similar to sladee

[low epoch]

yeah in my automata class half the class took one question answer from stack overflow

and he was like "come forward or die"

[tacit halo]

You said it was open book

[simple saffron]

its called being resourceful smh

[tacit halo]

You said we could use whatever

[low epoch]

kirb how dare u

[livid beacon]

open book and use whatever are two contradictory statements

[simple saffron]

kirb a narc

[tacit halo]

This professor is kinda dumb tho. He randomly interview ppl after exams

[barren night]

In my logic class ppl put the final on chegg but the answer on chegg was a little wrong so the prof knew who cheated

[low epoch]

yeah lambda the instance i cite was "open book"

[tacit halo]

To try to catch cheaters

He assumes everyone is a cheater

[still gazelle]

yo whats automata like. did it help u anywhere in an internship / interview

[nova inlet]

Who knew that teachers were now detectives

[tacit halo]

Okay. Give me a 0 on it. I really don’t care

[simple saffron]

symbolic logic?

[tacit halo]

I just don’t want a black mark on my transcript

[barren night]

No mathematical logic

[simple saffron]

ew

[tacit halo]

I don’t want to lose my credibility

[low epoch]

it's in my core curriculum
people praise classes like OS way more (which is not part of my core)

[livid beacon]

did you use slader or nah

[barren night]

Yea model theory was pretty brutal

[low epoch]

automata not useful to answer ur question (for jobs)

[nova inlet]

[abstract wagon]

[tacit halo]

That this will make me unable to get an internship; no one will take me seriously for life, I’ll get expelled

[tacit halo]

Okay yes I did

But like 90% of the class does

[low epoch]

it's cool it happens

just come clean

[simple saffron]

rip

[tacit halo]

I don’t wanna get expelled

[abstract wagon]

so you did cheat

[tacit halo]

And lose every internship opportunity

[barren night]

No way you get expelled over a homework

[livid beacon]

you’re not going to get expelled for a first offense

[barren night]

ur good

[tacit halo]

He never said we couldn’t use slander

[low epoch]

first offense u might get a mark

but that's it

[simple saffron]

depends what school you go to

[tacit halo]

A uc school

[still gazelle]

bro u cheated and ur mad about getting punished for it?

[low epoch]

yeah doop is right

[livid beacon]

in general for next time try to avoid q+a sites

think of it like asking a friend

[tacit halo]

As long as I pass the class, I’m fine (will change to p)

[simple saffron]

my college takes cheating really seriously

[tacit halo]

Same

[still gazelle]

colleges in general do

[tacit halo]

They have a whole academic integrity office

[nova inlet]

@abstract wagon

[low epoch]

i mean surely there is some other ucsd student here who can give u good idea

of what lies ahead

u might die

[abstract wagon]

im just kidding, when people ask for help i just let them die

[tacit halo]

I have to attend an academic integrity seminar

[low epoch]

that's a slap on wrist

[tacit halo]

Then I have to write an essay about the experience

[simple saffron]

oh then you're chillin

[tacit halo]

And then, consequences will be determined at the “discretion of the academic integrity review board”

[low epoch]

lol i'm a TA with no office hours and when people message me on discord for help i ignore them half the time

[livid beacon]

ye just don’t do it again or get better at hiding it

[abstract wagon]

@low epoch i did the same thing except all the time

[nova inlet]

Ya'll for real?

Kinda rude

[tacit halo]

As long as this doesn’t come back to haunt me I’m fine

[abstract wagon]

i only get paid for office hours bro

im not there to help

[low epoch]

alex all what ur describing is fine

[tacit halo]

I just don’t want a permanent marker on my transcript

[abstract wagon]

👻

[nova inlet]

So what's being a TA for? Are you not taking the place of another TA who would actually work?

[low epoch]

@nova inlet nah ur kinda right, it's just i'm grading 4 classes of 180 students

so i don't give a damn

[nova inlet]

Oh if you're just a marker then it's fine

[low epoch]

yeah it varies by school

[abstract wagon]

i mean i help during lab sessions and suc

[tacit halo]

*mark

[abstract wagon]

aka when i should help

[simple saffron]

y'all are TAing?

fuckin nerds

[abstract wagon]

outside of times im supposed to help dont msg me im gone

[low epoch]

my only real policy for helping students is i don't help on day of assignment

[tacit halo]

I can guarantee u that probably 90% of students use slander

This professor is anal about cheating

[low epoch]

yeah i have one lab i supervise for fresh-level which i help

[abstract wagon]

even if 90% use slader if you use it and get caught then there's not much to blame

you can cry on linkedin and get a few likes though

[livid beacon]

this is called setting appropriate boundaries aka not wage thefting yourself

[tacit halo]

Look at this

This is just ridiculous

This is how we have to take exams

[nova inlet]

can there even exist a system that prevents cheating altogether which doesn't punish the teacher/student greatly?

[abstract wagon]

yes

taking it in class

[tacit halo]

Just make everything open book

In the real world it’s like that

[nova inlet]

that kind of makes sense

[still gazelle]

i had explosive diarrhea during my calc 3 final and my prof wouldnt let me leave

[livid beacon]

you’re not allowed to use slader/chegg in open-book exams generally

[tacit halo]

Assuming everyone is cheating is cynical

[livid beacon]

or stackoverflow

[abstract wagon]

it's not 100% effective but i mean i spent 2 hours pacing around making sure no one was cheating and I think the 60% average meant not too many cheaters xd

[tacit halo]

People do any ways

[nova inlet]

idk man - when my exams were open book the exams were like 1.5-2 times harder than non-open book ones... and we don't learn "that" difficulty in class, so we end up being fine in class and getting completely fucked on the exams

[low epoch]

my clown school/prof told me "just be willing to help students if they ask, no office hours, you have to work x hours a week and make sure to get stuff graded"

[tacit halo]

My data sceince professor gave open book exams, but the time limit was strict and she designed the questions so that looking them up on line would be useless

[nova inlet]

Yeah - so essentially having 'eyes' swooping around

[tacit halo]

People still did shit

[abstract wagon]

i doont think thats too bad

[nova inlet]

I dont either

[low epoch]

did any of yall have untimed open book take home tests

[tacit halo]

Mental health wise, it’s terrible

[abstract wagon]

u mean a hwk

[tacit halo]

Sometimes

[livid beacon]

...and then students ask questions on chegg which renders the exam useless anyways

[tacit halo]

Assuming everyone is a cheater is terrible for mental health

[abstract wagon]

well everyone is a cheater

[tacit halo]

It gives people in unnecessary stress

[abstract wagon]

u said it urself

[low epoch]

nah man it's easy and convenience

[abstract wagon]

90% use slader

[tacit halo]

Look I get cheating is wrong

[low epoch]

just "hey i found cheaters, come forward"

[tacit halo]

But you don’t have to go this far

[low epoch]

alex don't go down this road

[barren night]

I had a final where you could use stackoverflow just not be the one to ask the question

[tacit halo]

And ruin someone’s life over it

[low epoch]

i mean the reasoning/mental gymnastics

[stone tiger]

Just follow the rules

[livid beacon]

bruh I would deadass set a timer for my hours worked, give intro CS students an inch of ur time and they take a mile

[low epoch]

i won't condemn ur cheating just my advice for u

[nova inlet]

I don't cheat and I get cucked and I end up writing 2000 word premises -> conclusions as to how the exam was a fcking mess and then the teacher responds with 'you're entitled to your opinion'

[abstract wagon]

hey if ur gonna cheat and u get caught then u gotta accept the consequences

[dapper shard]

this. i cheat but if i get caught then ill take the consequences.

[tacit halo]

Real software engineers copy code from stack overflow all the time

[abstract wagon]

its called being responsible

well for them theres no rule saying they cant

[low epoch]

good advice, i will think of this; it's discouraging that i took these same classes but i never asked a TA for help because i struggled and googled all my homeworks, worked so hard

these are junior level classes btw

but for fresh lab i supervise, i help during lab

[livid beacon]

that sounds like a department failure then

in that they need to tell the TAs to set up office hours and pay them for it instead of “help when you have time”

[tacit halo]

Pay per question

They pay u per question answered

[nova inlet]

Yeah departments here are terrible. Everyone doesn't want to take responsibility saying 'I was told to do this by someone else, their rules' and then you talk to them and they say the same, takes forever to get to someone and then it's too late because the semester's long gone and you have to sacrifice so much of your time just to get them to do their damn jobs

bureaucracy I think it's called

[tacit halo]

Regarding office hours?

[nova inlet]

osry no

not office hours

not sure if it was me but chat died

[abstract wagon]

yeah it was you

jk this is just a boring topic

[nova inlet]

so how would you guys say your job-seeking experience has evolved since you started?

[livid beacon]

it evolved in that it stopped 🙂

[nova inlet]

Learning a lot at work now? @livid beacon

[livid beacon]

oh LOL I’m a senior

im learning a lot about how I’m tuned out of school rn tho

[simple saffron]

it evolved in that i dont cold apply any more

just a gigantic waste of time

[nova inlet]

What is cold applying? Is it messaging companies directly?

[abstract wagon]

applying normally

through company website

[nova inlet]

oh

how else do you go about it, through recruiters?

[abstract wagon]

idk

doop probably has insiders

🕵️

[simple saffron]

referrals or campus events

or recruiters

mostly the first two though

[dapper shard]

eh

[simple saffron]

recruiters fucking suck

[dapper shard]

how to market myself mostly

and how to get my resume in front of recruiters

otherwise i feel like this is about how the job search would go looking for full time work as well

[nova inlet]

How do you go about getting your resume in front of recruiters if I may ask

[dapper shard]

cold emailing recruiters mainly

cold messaging on linkedin a little

just having a good resume period

🤷‍♂️

[abstract wagon]

i just apply normally

[dapper shard]

^

[abstract wagon]

95% of the time

[dapper shard]

although

kirb is kind of top 1% even in this server lol

[nova inlet]

I would imagine it's kind of a snowball effect

[dapper shard]

after getting your first internship i would say so

[simple saffron]

i mean if your resume sucks (like mine), it's really not worth applying normally imo

[abstract wagon]

if you have skills itll snowball

[simple saffron]

^

[dapper shard]

^^

[abstract wagon]

you can only be unlucky so many times

[dapper shard]

lol

well

you would think

but also that is true

[simple saffron]

lol bad luck breeds more bad luck

[abstract wagon]

i got rejected by a ton of companies you would think are safeties for me

[simple saffron]

like google?

[abstract wagon]

[nova inlet]

[abstract wagon]

na like robinhood

havent heard back from fb

zillow

aurora

niantic

etc

[dapper shard]

wait you haven't heard back from zillow?

or facebook?

[simple saffron]

yeah i dont think any of those are safeties for anyone tbf

[low epoch]

yeah companies are so weird tbh

[simple saffron]

but yeah

[dapper shard]

have you passed resume screens at quant firms?

[abstract wagon]

yea

ghosted by fb

res rej by zillow

i got quant offers too so

[simple saffron]

you got yield protected bro

[abstract wagon]

makes no sense

[dapper shard]

wtf lmao

i passed both of their resume screens but quant firms test their shredders with my resume lmaoo

[abstract wagon]

thats besides the point though

[nova inlet]

what's so different about quant - aren't those like math+software jobs?

[low epoch]

quant is the tippy top tier of pay

[abstract wagon]

im just trying to say that when you have skills youll get interviews and youll just need to pass and let it snowball

[low epoch]

and anecdotally people here say it's "not boring"

so it's nice

[dapper shard]

they just have tougher resume screens compared to FAANG/Big N/Unicorns

[nova inlet]

oh I see

[low epoch]

and yes the math thing seems to be true?

i think swe roles are different from "trader" roles

which are math buffs

idk which pays more

but they seem to work closely

[abstract wagon]

i just meant swe at a quant place mb

[barren night]

Do some quant places resume screen after OAs? Because don’t a lot of them send out auto oas

[abstract wagon]

varies

five rings you 99% wont get an interview

akuna oa dependent imo

citadel screens after oa

js also 99% not gonna hear back

[simple saffron]

drw?

[dapper shard]

I thought Akuna was auto OA as well

[fleet cairn]

do u do contests magic kirb?

[dapper shard]

DRW i don't think is auto? or is it?

[abstract wagon]

drw imc belvedere etc more lax

it is auto

[simple saffron]

pretty sure drw is screened before

[abstract wagon]

yeah

[barren night]

Those college selection things with only ivies make me feel bad lol

[dapper shard]

ah okay

[fleet cairn]

prolly thats why lol

[abstract wagon]

lc contests and cf

[fleet cairn]

yea

[dapper shard]

codeforces

[simple saffron]

target schools matter so much more for quant it seems

[abstract wagon]

but its not like i write codeforces candidate master on my resume LOL

cringe

[fleet cairn]

oh i meant like acm

or ioi / whatever

[abstract wagon]

na i dont do that

its a hassle to do anything outside of schoolwork

[fleet cairn]

i feel u

[nova inlet]

how do you even tell if someone has so-called skills, you talking about algos specifically?

[abstract wagon]

i just let them show through OA scores and interviews

[nova inlet]

I have a feeling there's a lot of facets and qualities that a person can have in regards to software engineering and stuff - but I suppose some are more important than others in general

ah

I see

[sonic badger]

u misunderstand

theyre not looking for software engineers

[nova inlet]

Hi Dawg

[sonic badger]

companies are looking for leetcode engineers

[nova inlet]

👀

@sonic badger Shaqq is The engineer, can I be The leetcode engineer?

[sonic badger]

idk who shaqqq is

NGL

[nova inlet]

whattt

[eager valve]

Is quant even attainable if you go to a target school but not like usamo or anything?

[nova inlet]

you weren't there when he said that? it was hilarious 1 sec lemme find it

[tacit halo]

Not necessarily

Maybe Jane Street

But akuna sig etc are quite liberal

I think trading resume screens are actually easier to pass. Intveies are a different thing. They care about who has the mental math skills to be an effective trader

[tacit halo]

Absolutely

People do it all the time

By quant u mean trader or researcher or swe?

Researcher requires a PhD 95% of the time

[low epoch]

people have discussed this here before, consensus seems to be

95% of times if you're not target

you're out of luck

jane street has many undergrad programs for urm or other people that can get u into some network

increase odds

[tacit halo]

not necessarily

[low epoch]

idk about other quants

[tacit halo]

jane street maybe

[low epoch]

yes necessarily lol

[tacit halo]

r u only talking about jane street?

de shaw is the hardest resume screen to pass

[still gazelle]

For swe however school doesnt really matter

[tacit halo]

akuna, sig, drw, school doesnt matter

[low epoch]

i'm referring to js as exception only because it's the only undergrad programs i'm aware of that someone could realistically use to get past a screen

[tacit halo]

true

[low epoch]

if the others have similar programs then there u go

[tacit halo]

wdym?

[low epoch]

https://www.janestreet.com/join-jane-street/our-programs/

[livid beacon]

i can’t speak to other programs but i know someone who did JS insight a couple years ago and it’s mostly women from....target schools

[tacit halo]

the target thing is overrated

[livid beacon]

maybe it’s changed since then idk

[tacit halo]

quant firms give out interviews pretty liberally

okay not all

but some definitely

akuna sig optiver drw

imc

two sigma maybe

[low epoch]

i did js in focus program and am dumb as bricks (male urm at non target)
the demographics were like 50/50 target and non-target out of maybe 45 of us (i didn't keep count, big mistake)

[tacit halo]

citadel and jane street a bit harder

[terse torrent]

[tacit halo]

if u look on linkedin ull see that a substantial number of people at these firms are from non targets

[tacit halo]

what was it?

[low epoch]

wdym

[tacit halo]

what was the content of the program?

list of firms by the wayy

Jane Street, Hudson River Trading, Five Rings, Citadel Securities (and Citadel), Optiver, Jump Trading, Tower Research, PDT, TGS, DE Shaw, Two Sigma, SIG, IMC Trading, DRW, Virtu, Akuna Capital, Old Mission Capital, Chicago Trading Company, Flow Traders, Belvedere Trading, PEAK6, Gelber Group

[still gazelle]

thanks bro

im gonna apply to all of those next year

[tacit halo]

eiterating + adding to this:

Prop Shops
XR Trading
Sig - Susquehanna
Hudson River Trading
Vatic labs
Optiver
Jump trading
Five rings
Jane Street
Ansatz Capital
Radix Trading
Akuna Capital
DRW
Tower Research Capital
Tradebot Systems
Volant trading
Belvedere trading
Chicago trading company
Eagle seven
Flow traders
Group one trading
IMC
Wolverine
old mission capital
Valkyrie trading
Bluefin
teza
voleon
headlands
quantlab
ginkgo
Virtu

Hedge Funds
tgs management
aquatic
D.E. Shaw
Two Sigma
Citadel
Bridgewater
AQR
Blackstone
Renaissance Technologies
Bluecrest Cap. Management
Point72 (Cubist systematic strats)
Man Group
Millenium Management
Winton Group
Baupost Group
Elliott Management Corporation
BlackRock
Marshall Wace
Stevens Capital Management
Squarepoint Capital

Misc
Peak6

[nova inlet]

[runic tinsel]

why are hedge funds so elitist

[still gazelle]

cuz they can be

[simple saffron]

because they move boatloads of money

[runic tinsel]

i feel like anyone who works hard can do the job

[tacit halo]

some but not all

[still gazelle]

for an SWE yeah

[simple saffron]

yeah but its like a top frat

[tacit halo]

investment banks are elitist

[still gazelle]

but not for a quant

[tacit halo]

u mean ib

[simple saffron]

anyone could technically be a part of it, but they like to feel self important

[tacit halo]

ibs are frats

[low epoch]

@dapper shard you're working on a trading bot right

how hard is it?

[tacit halo]

hedge funds and ibs are not the same thing

[dapper shard]

hard

[low epoch]

there u go folks

[dapper shard]

takes a lot of time

[runic tinsel]

i think this is the main thing tho nerds won't cut it at IBs

[tacit halo]

ib, the only thing that matters is the name of ur school and ur frat bros

[tacit halo]

yeah true

[low epoch]

i agree with tech being "not that hard" but trading is indeed "hard"

[tacit halo]

quant funds arent like that

[still gazelle]

yeah cuz u gotta talk to clients in IB

[simple saffron]

really depends on the scope of the work i think

[runic tinsel]

I have two friends who work at IBs now and they used to pretty much hang around with just rich white kids at upenn

[tacit halo]

ib is raising money from wealthy clients

[runic tinsel]

like these guys were reallllly rich

[tacit halo]

but plenty of ppl come from non targets

[runic tinsel]

monaco holiday every spring break

[still gazelle]

yeah but u gotta know how to talk to people

[tacit halo]

networking is the most important thing

[still gazelle]

im pretty sure 90% of this server fails that requirement

[tacit halo]

my father worked in finance in the 90s and he ran a 1b hedge fund and everyone was from a shitty non target

it doesn't need to be a target, but u need to network correctly

[still gazelle]

ur dad was a chad

[tacit halo]

He went to a non target

First two years at community college

Straight c student

Now practically a billionaire

He knows thousands of ppl in ib and while many went to target schools many didnt

Look on LinkedIn

[icy juniper]

You're the son of a billionaire?

[tacit halo]

Not yet but close

[icy juniper]

That's actually pretty cool

[runic tinsel]

what's your dad's name

[tacit halo]

Dmd

But he founded it in the past year

It was literally just an idea in a lab a year ago

And it was worth under $1M at the time

But he grew it to a $2B valuation in under a year

And cashed out on some of it

And it’s ready to ipo

[nova inlet]

good timing I suppose - with covid and all at least that hopefully makes money less of a stressing part in life for ya'll

didnt crash or anything

[still gazelle]

is this ur dad? https://www.linkedin.com/in/damond-lee-308518106/

[tacit halo]

No

[low epoch]

is this ur dad
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-bezos-687b0283/

[tacit halo]

Nope

[nova inlet]

[simple saffron]

is this your dad? https://www.linkedin.com/company/wonsulting

[runic tinsel]

anyone here personally know joma tech

[tacit halo]

We struggled from 2013-2019 (a whole host of complicated things, like getting screwed by the Sec and dealing with a legal battle after he lost everything to some scheme). He was a creditor in a company that turned out to be a complete fraud and it caused us to lose everything. Everything seemed fine when he invested, but it was a complicated situation and it took 6 years for him to win anything from a lawsuit

[junior elk]

You're the son of wonsulting?

[tacit halo]

Nope

[simple saffron]

yea hes a lil bitch

[torn dagger]

i see wonsulting on tiktok alot

[simple saffron]

i hate wonsulting lol

[torn dagger]

he got those posters in the background

[tacit halo]

They helped me ngl

[torn dagger]

lmao

[simple saffron]

sup king hows the hunt going

you should apply to redhat

[torn dagger]

hunts done

im stickin with offer

lol

[simple saffron]

gotcha

[torn dagger]

schools pounding me

[simple saffron]

good shit brother

[nova inlet]

aye yeah - if ya'll thought through the battle then reap the rewards - good stuff

[eager valve]

wait r u fr

[torn dagger]

Analysis of Algorithms aint as fun as i thought itwould be

[eager valve]

what steps should I take

I go to a target

[tacit halo]

Projects, gpa, network with recruiters

[eager valve]

I think its quant swe

[tacit halo]

What counts as a target?

[simple saffron]

yeah algorithms is hit or miss

graph theory is fucking gross

[eager valve]

ill dm u

[tacit halo]

Prepare for interview

It’s gonna be hard

[torn dagger]

im grinding tree problems on LC rn

cuz i realized that i cant do any recursion

[nova inlet]

DFS babyyy

[simple saffron]

tree recursion just requires a lil practice

youll get it

[torn dagger]

i did Path Sum II by myself

[simple saffron]

king shit

[torn dagger]

just gna keep studying for new grad ig

better start early

[simple saffron]

yuh

[still gazelle]

@tacit halo is ur dad looking for s2021 interns?

[runic tinsel]

what's this notation?

[tacit halo]

Likely yes

He’ll just take anyone

[still gazelle]

ayo hook me up brp

[torn dagger]

reversed

[nova inlet]

you go through the range backwards I suppose

[runic tinsel]

reverse iteration?

oh

[nova inlet]

can't you just specify it in the range though as the step?

[runic tinsel]

why does this not work tho

index = len(A) - 1 and then while index >= 0

[simple saffron]

yeah better syntax is range(len(fwd),-1,-1)

[eager valve]

@tacit halo ur dad owns a company?

[tacit halo]

Yeah

A biotech unicorn

[still gazelle]

holyyy fuck im boutta nuttt

[simple saffron]

nut

[tacit halo]

They manufacture cannabis more effectively

[still gazelle]

POGGG"G

bro please

ill literally work at ur dads company for free

[simple saffron]

lmfao

[still gazelle]

for free weed

[eager valve]

wtf

[still gazelle]

of course

[eager valve]

is he gonna hook u up?

[simple saffron]

weed simp

[tacit halo]

They developed a way to mass produce medicinal cannabis and shrooms cheaply

[eager valve]

as ur dad

[still gazelle]

WAIT SHROOMS TOO?

BRO

[tacit halo]

They won over many institutional investors

[still gazelle]

WHY IS UR DAD SUCH A GIGACHAD

[tacit halo]

Plenty of celebrities invest in this

It’s been proven to work

Medicinally

Helps with depression

[nova inlet]

Is it 'high quality' stuff though? Or does that not matter past a certain point

[tacit halo]

Much better than the garbage that’s prescribed today

[simple saffron]

bro ur dad is bruce linton?

[tacit halo]

Doesn’t matter past a certain point

It can be mass produced

[nova inlet]

Is it logistical discovery, science or something else

[tacit halo]

Logistical mainly

The science has been around for decades

[nova inlet]

aye that's cool - managing infrastructures is pretty cool

very complex

[tacit halo]

It’s being mass produced with bacteria

Genetically modify the bacteria to produce the compounds

[simple saffron]

stop GMOing my weed

stop GMOing my weed

[still gazelle]

lets go to #random

[nova inlet]

when you're a 'reputable firm' and crap - you gotta make sure the end result is consistent and crap, so that's much harder I would imagine with bacteria - but I really don't know, sounds cool though if it's safe and all that

[tacit halo]

It’s quite safe

And it’s better for the environment

They developed a new way to do this

It’s been done for decades

But this way is safer greener and faster

And much cheaper

[nova inlet]

anywhere I can read up on this? I'm not into weed but I'm interested in what they thought up

[tacit halo]

It’s been done for decades

[tacit halo]

It’s booming right now

It’s called psybio therapeutics

Even many top vc firms have a cannabis arm

[fleet cairn]

is it normal shrooms?

or some synthetic shit

[tacit halo]

Normal

It’s all natural

Psilocybin

[fleet cairn]

i c

[nova inlet]

oboi - that reminds me of Reckful

[tacit halo]

Basically a way to mass produce the compound

[nova inlet]

[fleet cairn]

well psilocybin is just the chemical in the shrooms, not the shroom itself no?

[tacit halo]

Right

[solar phoenix]

Did he invest in Bitconnect

[fleet cairn]

wait so does he mass produce shrooms, or the compound itself

[nova inlet]

I guess they manage the whole process

[tacit halo]

No it was a much more old school thing

[tacit halo]

Compound

[nova inlet]

o

[tacit halo]

Ppl use shrooms for the compound

[still gazelle]

"Please include a cover letter. Resumes without one won't be considered. Seriously.

While we genuinely appreciate your interest in employment with Firespring, we can only respond to the most qualified candidates.
"

[solar phoenix]

aw Bitconnect was the best

[fleet cairn]

i see

[tacit halo]

But the compound comes from shrooms

[fleet cairn]

yea

they taste like shit

[still gazelle]

so can yall make psilocybin carts or smth

[tacit halo]

It’s a relatively rare compound but mass producing it helps

[still gazelle]

thatd be fuckin dope

[tacit halo]

It can be put in smoothies

[still gazelle]

... no way bro...

[tacit halo]

So it will taste better

[fleet cairn]

carts are sus

da fuckk

[still gazelle]

carts are sick

[tacit halo]

Right now it’s only for medicinal use

But within the next 5 years it could be legalized

[nova inlet]

is it connected to LSD? Idk any of this

[tacit halo]

A very large portion of the vc funding is being spent on lobbying fees

[nova inlet]

or does it just mean they're close to each other

[humble sparrow]

they're similar

[fleet cairn]

LSD is completely different chemical

[tacit halo]

They’re close to each other

But not the same

[nova inlet]

ah I see I see

[humble sparrow]

like same family of drugs

different experiences though

[fleet cairn]

yea i mean theyre both psychedelics, but chemically they act on diff receptors and etc

[nova inlet]

damn heroin is fucked

[fleet cairn]

from what i understand

[humble sparrow]

yeah exactly

[loud raft]

joe rogan be like

[fleet cairn]

lsd's fucked

i did that shit in high school and saw a fractal binary tree

[still gazelle]

i dont like lsd

[fleet cairn]

spanning my entire field of vision

[humble sparrow]

heroin is some actual junkie vibe

problem w lsd

[nova inlet]

yo that's a good way to learn data structs alex

[humble sparrow]

is cuz it's not legalized

[still gazelle]

shrooms are much more natural. i feel like a druid when im on those

[humble sparrow]

a lot of people put boof in the tabs

[nova inlet]

fractal binary tree

[humble sparrow]

like 25i

[fleet cairn]

@nova inlet on godd

[humble sparrow]

synthetic acid

[tacit halo]

Yeah shrooms are more natural

[fleet cairn]

yea

nbomb and shit

[tacit halo]

They’re taken more seriously

[still gazelle]

one with nature

[loud raft]

family member died of heroin its no joke friends, LSD on the other hand

[humble sparrow]

shrooms like you can see if they're gold caps or not before you eat them

[fleet cairn]

i feel like tabs are way too intense tho

[tacit halo]

No don’t do heroine

[nova inlet]

o sucks to hear owen

[loud raft]

people joke of taking heroin its like epic bro you are so cool

[simple saffron]

alex can your dad help us make DMT vapes

like unironically

also ketamine supplement

[tacit halo]

Hmm

[fleet cairn]

spongebob i need ketamine.........

[tacit halo]

He has nothing but negative stuff to say about ketamine

[humble sparrow]

nah special k soem people go off the deep end

yeah

[sonic badger]

ngl

[ionic bronze]

lsd good

[sonic badger]

ketamine

slaps

[fleet cairn]

k hole 😈

[sonic badger]

[simple saffron]

both have very good use cases

[ionic bronze]

wait wtf when did this turn into a drug chat

[simple saffron]

wait why does he not like ket

[fleet cairn]

i've heard it has legit medicinal usage though

or therapeutic

[humble sparrow]

guy from my hs robbed a cvs at gunpoint while k-holed

[simple saffron]

it helps treat depression

[simple saffron]

wtf lol

[humble sparrow]

woke up with no recollection of it then swats busted down his house

[fleet cairn]

thats fucked

[sonic badger]

ngl

thats impressive

[loud raft]

ketamine gang

[tacit halo]

Yeah ketamine is fucked

[simple saffron]

how the fuck he do that while dissociating

[sonic badger]

ngl ketamine slaps

one of the best

drugs

shits so fun

[humble sparrow]

if you IV it you completely dissociate

[sonic badger]

no

[simple saffron]

i wanna get high TC just so i can inject ket every month

[sonic badger]

fuck that

just a little sniffy

or maybe put it in ur beer

[humble sparrow]

sniffing is way safer

[sonic badger]

[nova inlet]

exercising is the best drug

[humble sparrow]

or IM even

IV is dangerous

[simple saffron]

narc

[fleet cairn]

you'll cowards dont even do crack 😈

[nova inlet]

[sonic badger]

I took some

and went on a roller coaster

[simple saffron]

yall think im joking about ketamine

[sonic badger]

well

[simple saffron]

its actually good tho