2021_summer

[pulsar shadow]

if you need referral just find people that are giving them out, I know for chinese people they have 1point3acres

[cyan valley]

@lilac cloak myth

🤣

[wise mesa]

This is smart asf

[abstract wagon]

cs hiring is so crazy

[lilac cloak]

(am yoking)

[cyan valley]

no im sure though people would refer u if u have

had 1 normal conversation

with them b4 in ur life

cuz dont they get some bonus for referral

if u get hired

[humble sparrow]

yeah for full time

[cyan valley]

yh

[ionic bronze]

do referrals even matter

[cyan valley]

Yes lol

[lilac cloak]

yes

[cyan valley]

they get u past resume line

[humble sparrow]

sometime not even 1 normal conversation you can hit them up on linkedin

[cyan valley]

AF

Yeah that's a bit more awkard

[wise mesa]

Facts

[cyan valley]

but 1 normal convo is what I try to do

[ionic bronze]

i do need that

[cyan valley]

^

[ionic bronze]

still waiting for my first amazon oa

😦

[cyan valley]

LOL

Yeah get a referral

skip that line

Or wait 2 months like me to choke 🤣

[ionic bronze]

REE

[lilac cloak]

ive heard cases where referral did nothing, and cases where referral got OA 1 within a week

[abstract wagon]

i had amzn referral and it took months to get OA

[cyan valley]

sometimes referral gets u phone interview

lol

[lilac cloak]

even in mid november

prob team-dependent

[wise mesa]

Wait, what’s oa

[cyan valley]

online assesment

aka test

[wise mesa]

Ohh

[cyan valley]

leetcode 😎

[lilac cloak]

not rly

OA 2 is lc

[cyan valley]

yh amazon

is a bit diff

[lilac cloak]

but OAs 1 and 3 arent really

[cyan valley]

but

generally

oa = lc

[lilac cloak]

i guess?

[ionic bronze]

oa

[abstract wagon]

i unironically got 2/7 on OA 1

[cyan valley]

lets just replace the name oa

with lc

LOL

[lilac cloak]

vibely sent me a small project

[cyan valley]

@abstract wagon BRO SAME

[humble sparrow]

at least from Amazon all a referral does is the recruiter has to look at it within a certain time frame

[cyan valley]

I THOUGHT IT WAS 20 MINS PER

THEN I SAW 2 0 MIN TOTAL

LOOOOOOOL

[humble sparrow]

so if they don’t like you they still don’t like you

[lilac cloak]

game companies tend to send you projects/questiobs instead of lc

[abstract wagon]

lmao

[cyan valley]

i haven't wiffed so hard in my life

😢

[abstract wagon]

never got OA 3

[ionic bronze]

palantir and hubspot oa not really LC tho

[wise mesa]

I feel behind asf lmao

[cyan valley]

I got 3 somehow

got rejected 2days after

[lilac cloak]

sometimes the process feels consistent, and sometimes it feels like a gamble

[cyan valley]

lol

[lilac cloak]

only consistent thing is the ability to improve yourself

[cyan valley]

lowkey rng all the way

yeah

just practice common problems etc

[lilac cloak]

it's rng, but not like

equally weighted

[cyan valley]

practice speaking skills

[lilac cloak]

there are many ways to dramatically improve your odds

[cyan valley]

that helps behavioral

@lilac cloak what was the final like for amazon just curious

[lilac cloak]

i feel like yheres a common stigma thst rng = no control

i heard the final is v dependent on your interviewer

[cyan valley]

is it like 1 hr or like 4 hrs or what

[lilac cloak]

i got 2 LP behaviorals, some data structures trivia, and 1 technical

45 mins

[cyan valley]

45 min FINAL?

[lilac cloak]

yeah

[cyan valley]

1 technical LC easy?

whiteboardin

[lilac cloak]

i have some additional hunches on how the process works internally

but not confident enough on the info yet

[cyan valley]

im p sure after the final

they still do a review

of ur resume / oa scores

[humble sparrow]

no it’s not white boarding it’s on an ide but you don’t have to run it

[cyan valley]

o got u

[lilac cloak]

u sure they referred you?

[humble sparrow]

yea you get an email when they do right

[lilac cloak]

i had friend who applied with referral mid november and got OA 1 in a week

ive heard another case ofreferral --> OA 1 in one week

[eager valve]

What do you guys do to get your mind off waiting for results?

[lilac cloak]

anything else

[dapper shard]

gaming

[lilac cloak]

since worrying cant really impact my results

[pulsar shadow]

worry

[lilac cloak]

any escape works

[dapper shard]

i usually get bored of thinking about it and do other stuff

[ionic bronze]

osu

drinking

📑

[dapper shard]

^

that too

wait

[lilac cloak]

idk abt drinking bro

[dapper shard]

i need to go buy wine tonight

[lilac cloak]

just go on yt find some cute animal clips

[ionic bronze]

🍀

💊

[eager valve]

I can’t even win league games

Cuz im thinkint about Amazon’

[lilac cloak]

league

[pulsar shadow]

jg diff

[ionic bronze]

[eager valve]

It’s always jungle diff

[ionic bronze]

why play league to relax wtf

[eager valve]

U right

[lilac cloak]

keeps you engaged

escapism

[eager valve]

Addicted

[abstract wagon]

pog peepo

[dapper shard]

copium

[pulsar shadow]

play the new champ

[abstract wagon]

the OG

[eager valve]

Virgo

[lilac cloak]

diego

[eager valve]

Is he out?

[lilac cloak]

yes

[eager valve]

Virgin

Wait on live?

[lilac cloak]

yes

[eager valve]

Oh shit

Bet

[lilac cloak]

????

[pulsar shadow]

???

[eager valve]

I was grinding last few days

Didn’t play league

So wasn’t aware

[lilac cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/feather-knight-spinning-tft-lvl3-gif-14709729

[icy juniper]

[abstract wagon]

hi

i was just wondering

if american express interviews is 2 round or 1 round

i skipped OA bc of referral

and went straight to technical

is thta my only round?

[viral fable]

what is solution engineering

specifically at salesforce

[abstract wagon]

yea amex is 1 round

[eager valve]

BrokenGauge

im moving into school tomorrow though, down to run some games after

wait we had this same conversation before lmao

[frail marten]

league very relaxing game i have played for a logn time 8)

[ionic bronze]

[frail marten]

very balanced too

[eager valve]

why is the balance team so bad

I dont understand man

[frail marten]

because they are all silver

[eager valve]

I feel like their goal isnt a balanced game

[frail marten]

they lose to a champ so they nerf it 8)

[eager valve]

they just want to shake up the meta

to keep people interested

[frail marten]

they let champion be absurdly strong for way too long

im cool with shaking up the meta

[eager valve]

way too long bro

I don even like it when my champ is busted

b/c u know ur gonna get gutted

[frail marten]

me neither lol

[eager valve]

and u have to first pick ur champ

[frail marten]

i was an ekko onetrick for a long time

[eager valve]

and ppl say ur boosted by ur champ

[frail marten]

and when it started getting buffed i was like fuck this is so bad

[eager valve]

I PLAY EKKO LMAO

[frail marten]

ahahah

[eager valve]

I used to be jax and trynd top lane

but they are both so dogshit rn

that I cant

so I play ekko swain

[frail marten]

less ppl complain about ekko now so its not as bad i guess

but im jg main so theres too many other champs i have to play that are absurdly broken

like taliyah lillia olaf

[abstract wagon]

@abstract wagon do you know how long you took

to hear back

[eager valve]

why tf did they buff his monster dmg to 250% when he was aleady good

olaf healing is insane bro

i didnt know talyah was good though

[frail marten]

taliyah is more of like a high elo/competitive champ i think

[eager valve]

oic

[frail marten]

its rly broken with coordination

[eager valve]

tyler1 is so right though

their art/cinematic/lore team is so good

but their gameplay team is so bad

[frail marten]

yea all the shit that doesnt matter is what theyre good at

animations, lore, music, skins all great

balance absolute dogshit lol

[eager valve]

did u see the akali genius interview

[frail marten]

champ design terrible

[eager valve]

that was pure cringe

[frail marten]

yea it was so bad LOL

[eager valve]

wtf even was that

soon we are gonna have vocaloids doing them

[frail marten]

lmao

[lilac cloak]

did u see the shanghai performance

basically already using vocaloids

[frail marten]

yea i saw that too hahahah

[eager valve]

man

[frail marten]

its actually so cringe

[lilac cloak]

kai sa's dna really do be different though

[eager valve]

hot take

true damage is better than kda

[frail marten]

there was a huge thread on reddit about how all their arms look broken and their hips look dislocated lol

[eager valve]

mostly cuz i like ekko

[frail marten]

ive never been a big kda fan

[lilac cloak]

idk i think league is doing just fine though

[frail marten]

[lilac cloak]

im not a good player

but from a product perspective theyre doing fine

[eager valve]

ofc league is doing fine, that shit is like crack

[lilac cloak]

not really sure why theyre putting LoR on lifeline but gutting tft

[frail marten]

yea from a business perspective theyre doing great

[eager valve]

cant drop it

[lilac cloak]

when tft has similar growth to valorant

been playing card games for a notable portion of my life

LoR really isnt the best solution

so i'm not really sure why they're desperately funding it

[frail marten]

i never like LoR

[eager valve]

i kinda wanan try LoR

[lilac cloak]

it has some nice fundamental designs

[frail marten]

liked*

[lilac cloak]

but it actually like

it's created new unique issues

[frail marten]

i liked it for liek 2 weeks lol

[lilac cloak]

that i thought would never exist in the genre

it was a cool experiment though

[eager valve]

I was so sad this year

when the cinematic wasnt a music video

[lilac cloak]

bazaar might be good; reynad has lots of good design choices, but i havent looked at gameplay yet

duelyst, shardbound, artifact

rip

died to logistical issues smoge

duelyst and shardbound had the potential to change the card game market

and they kinda did for a brief period of time imo

but unfortunate logistics

[frail marten]

i havent played too many card games

ive only rly played hearthstone, which i stopped playing like 3ish years ago

i enjoyed the genre but i usually ended up just sticking with league and tried to get better at it

[lilac cloak]

it kinda grinds my gears that it's clear that LoR was intended to be a major project while tft is like a 4fun side thing, but the community growth in tft is drastically better

even though theyre putting like negative money into tft and infinite money into LoR

tft set 3 EU first place prizing was 10 little legend eggs

like what

most card games have a draft mode that's throwaway

but autobattlers feel like they really explored the idea of draft further in depth

[frail marten]

riot has never rewarded their players at all though

challenger backpack haha!

theres no incentive to be high mmr in tha tgame

[lilac cloak]

eh

there is if you want to get into the industry

[frail marten]

since pros hardly ever get scouted from soloq, and you can get scouting grounds from playing amateur

[lilac cloak]

the pro scene sucks rn

(breaking into it sucks rn)

[frail marten]

streaming is the only thing that you can get from being high elo

[lilac cloak]

for tft and lor people usually play not for reward

or like

it's for rank

tft's been figuring out logistics for a reason to play competitive besides ladder

although i don't think it's going in a good direction for the long run

[frail marten]

league has been around for 11 years and theres no reason to play ranked aside from ladder

thats why i never grind end of season lol

[eager valve]

bet

[abstract wagon]

is recruiter looking at your linkedin profile a good sign

[twilit mesa]

i wouldn't know recruiters never look at my profile 💯

[low epoch]

yeah it means you caught their eye either thru search filter, 2nd degree connection or somethin, you're handsome, or you're very ugly

[abstract wagon]

i applied to the place like two days ago

wouldn't make sense for them to open my linkedin if they weren't interested right?

[low epoch]

oh then they intentionally looked u up

sounds like a good sign 👍

[abstract wagon]

😈

[low epoch]

[abstract wagon]

lets goooooo

[low epoch]

[loud hollow]

i always get a reject after a recruiter views my profile

[twilit mesa]

na you look like you get dm'd

[abstract wagon]

u might be ugly bro

[loud hollow]

bro connect w me on linkedin pls

[twilit mesa]

no ❤️

[low epoch]

i'll add u @loud hollow

[loud hollow]

i already have u

both of u

[low epoch]

alright that must be why u get rejected

[loud hollow]

[low epoch]

attitude prob

[abstract wagon]

oh sweet just got an email from them

W im handsome

[pliant hawk]

[loud hollow]

[pliant hawk]

[loud hollow]

LOL

[twilit mesa]

good shit kirb

[pliant hawk]

chad move

[abstract wagon]

i rarely get recruiter profile views so this is nice

[loud hollow]

how doe

dont you have google

[abstract wagon]

usually its just some lurker student

[twilit mesa]

u have google kirb ?

[loud hollow]

damn disrespect

that be me

[pliant hawk]

LOL

[abstract wagon]

ive had 2s citadel apple and some other looking at my linkedin

still rare

[pliant hawk]

do u hav premium

[abstract wagon]

my profile is also like empty though

yep

i can see who these lurkers r

[twilit mesa]

step or swe

😳

[abstract wagon]

swe

[low epoch]

[twilit mesa]

we might be connected 😳

on linkedin

[abstract wagon]

na no way

[twilit mesa]

bru

[abstract wagon]

i only add people i know

LOL

[twilit mesa]

pain.

[thick ridge]

bro i can't justify dropping 30/month on linkedin prem

[abstract wagon]

i got a deal on it

some guy had extra so I gave him $30 for a year

LOL

[low epoch]

if ur a good candidate linkedin pays u

[twilit mesa]

i got it for free for half the year

[low epoch]

damn where do these deals be at

[twilit mesa]

u didnt add G ppl last year

[timber sky]

covid help you huh?

[abstract wagon]

nope

[twilit mesa]

D:

[mild kelp]

anybody done an interview with interactive brokers for the swe internship?

[timber sky]

@abstract wagon you going back to google?

[twilit mesa]

yea 💯

[abstract wagon]

i added like very few

no interns

[twilit mesa]

D:

[low epoch]

kirb only punches up

[abstract wagon]

na

[twilit mesa]

what are u looking for kirb

unicorns :3 ?

[abstract wagon]

@low epoch is that a jujutsu kaisen quote LOL

i look for self driving

[low epoch]

LOL not intentionally but i guess so

goat quote

[thick ridge]

yo when did rivian do another round

their valuation is nuts now

[twilit mesa]

nuro?

[timber sky]

i just saw kirb's offers. he is a chad

[abstract wagon]

yea id be down for nuro

got resume rejected though so

cant say much on that

[twilit mesa]

damn

are you doing fall or just summer

[abstract wagon]

i might do fall if i got a good offer

very hard to get ppl to budge

bolt still ghostin me 👻

[timber sky]

their process was very straightforward

[abstract wagon]

i applied like

2 weeks ago

might be too late

[timber sky]

I never applied. cold emailed

lmao

[twilit mesa]

kirb said fuck google 💯

[abstract wagon]

wtf whered u get the email

👀👀

[timber sky]

dm me

[abstract wagon]

na i like google i just dont wanna go back to the same place

[twilit mesa]

i fuck with your vision 💯

[thick ridge]

i wish I was serious about recruiting freshman year

like I'd be at rentech no cap

[twilit mesa]

kirb your a jr ?

[abstract wagon]

ye

[twilit mesa]

o nice

[abstract wagon]

cant wait for new grad

[dapper shard]

i wish i had knew what leetcode was my freshman year

[abstract wagon]

ask me about all the sys design idk about 😍

[dapper shard]

and about the recruiting process as a whole

sys design is easier than LC

tbh

[thick ridge]

cap

[twilit mesa]

I think i'd rather get sys design over dp lc

[abstract wagon]

im sure, its just pain

[twilit mesa]

fuck lc dp hard 💯

[dapper shard]

ask me about load management and scaling

i got you

ask me about dp

i fail

🤷‍♂️

[abstract wagon]

why are these mailchimp monkeys back on linkedin job postings

didnt they massacre enough of us

[obtuse otter]

i love lc

fuck sys design

lc is way better cause like, you know if u did well or not

not open ended

[dapper shard]

what?

i love open ended tbh

idk ive never done well on standardized things to begin with so maybe it is just me lol

what?

i love open ended tbh

[abstract wagon]

i stutter like crazy so sys design is a no go for me

[dapper shard]

sys design shows my thought process better

[patent sluice]

ngl i speak more coherently when i only sleep like 5 hours vs 8

[thick ridge]

we should do only behavioral

[patent sluice]

all interviews should end with a high five

[abstract wagon]

a firm handshake

[thick ridge]

a dap

if u can't dap up ur interviewer are u really gonna get the job?

[dapper shard]

a dab

[patent sluice]

alternatively in the virtual era, a friend request on runescape

[torn dagger]

why do colleges require gen ed classes

[dapper shard]

honestly why. waste of my fucking time

[torn dagger]

cant study cuz i gotta write about why the covenant is inscribed on penises

[twilit mesa]

LMAO

[dapper shard]

lmao wut

[flat vine]

the man in the sky told me to

[patent sluice]

lol that's crazy i only have my coinbase password inscribed on mine

[torn dagger]

online school is pounding me

with its covenant inscribed penis

[dapper shard]

[twilit mesa]

💯

[dapper shard]

just don't do it then

[twilit mesa]

bru if i was doing hs rn

[torn dagger]

my GPA already going downhill

[twilit mesa]

i'd be failing

[dapper shard]

let it fall some more

just always know

there are guys/girls in here

with 2.7 gpas

going to google 🙂

[twilit mesa]

literally

[torn dagger]

lower GPA = FAANG

[abstract wagon]

those 2.7s are either target school urm or both

or something special

[dapper shard]

honestly

[abstract wagon]

please dont take any advice that tells you to get a lower gpa

[twilit mesa]

they're built diff 💯

[dapper shard]

most ive seen are target school or just something special

[abstract wagon]

yeah exactly

thats not all of us

LOL

[torn dagger]

if only asian was URM

[dapper shard]

career over gpa honestly though.

[abstract wagon]

the asian from MIT would like to talk

[dapper shard]

let mine drop from a 3.7 to a 3.4 in favor of doing internship and career shit

[patent sluice]

ngl freshman year me hearing that gpa doesn't matter did not work out in the long run

[obtuse otter]

i took a lower gpa for an internship

[dapper shard]

nah you kind of do have to grind out GPA fresh and soph year so you can coast junior and senior year

[patent sluice]

gpa is pretty important for most freshman/sophomore imo

when you have nothing on your resume

[obtuse otter]

honestly, if ur doing interviews then spend ur time prepping instead of doing hw

💯

ROI on prep is way better than on hw

[low epoch]

Pretty much

[dapper shard]

@thin scroll yes we are talking about GPA again 🙂

we are bored

[flat vine]

GPA doesnt matter

just dont get put on academic probation and u are golden 👍

[tacit halo]

Gpa only matters to some extent

[low epoch]

tbh just fail everything except algorithms and u will be fine

[tacit halo]

If it’s too low it could be disqualifying

[dapper shard]

^

[tacit halo]

There are people without Diplomas at google

[dapper shard]

just pass discrete, algorithms, and data structures, and fail everything else and you'll be fine

[tacit halo]

If u have a bunch of cool side projects that matters much more

[low epoch]

If youre crying or spending all nighters for grades u have gone too far

Not to be mean

[dapper shard]

my ex gf

[low epoch]

But i believe that

[tacit halo]

I 5000% agree

I gave up on grades long ago

[dapper shard]

please come talk to my CS peers lmao

[tacit halo]

I got into usc as a transfer with a 3.4

[flat vine]

i don't regret aiming for the bare minimum to pass classes

[abstract wagon]

yes

[dapper shard]

yes

[tacit halo]

In some of my classes the medians are like 98

[dapper shard]

most def

[low epoch]

Bruh at this point i feel TALKIN about cool side projects >>> having or listing them on resume

[abstract wagon]

bro did u get square

[tacit halo]

I don’t get those try hards

[abstract wagon]

im gonna nut

[muted leaf]

would it be ok to renege amazon?

not that i have an offer

[humble sparrow]

yes

[abstract wagon]

yeah just renege

fuck it

[muted leaf]

but just dreaming

[tacit halo]

There are people who cry over a 98 on an assignment and I’m happy with a 50

[humble sparrow]

they don't blacklist

[muted leaf]

what's square return offer rate?

[low epoch]

Square >>> banana

[thick ridge]

renege to assert dominance

[tacit halo]

Undeclared

But it’s not hard to switch in

Probably just gonna do a combination of CS and business

[low epoch]

!process amazon renege

[small fossil]

You can only use this command in #2021_grad_process or #2021_intern_process

[abstract wagon]

does anyone have a responsive twitter email they can swing

[dapper shard]

!process renege jpmc for twitter

[small fossil]

You can only use this command in #2021_grad_process or #2021_intern_process

[tacit halo]

Cold emailing works

[dapper shard]

what a dream

[tacit halo]

Hunter.io

[abstract wagon]

yes i need an email to cold email

[dapper shard]

twitter emails are hard to find tbh

[torn dagger]

just got my jpmc reject

[dapper shard]

ive already tried

[tacit halo]

There’s East ways to find them

[abstract wagon]

@dapper shard yeah seems like most communication is on smartrecruiters

[torn dagger]

jpmc was my first ever hirevue and i stuttered to death and just gave up

[tacit halo]

Plenty of email search sites

[dapper shard]

i looked on hunter.io, rocketreach, and salesql

nada

[tacit halo]

I definitely got some emails off of these

[abstract wagon]

time to use my connections

cheat code

[tacit halo]

They don’t always work but a good percentage of the time they do

[dapper shard]

i dmed twitter diversity recruiter on twitter

lets see how that goes

[patent sluice]

any other ib interns trying to start an insider trading channel and potentially spend up to 20 years in prison?

haha jk

[tacit halo]

I dm like 100 recruiters for each company

[abstract wagon]

im friends with past interns so i hope they got emails

[patent sluice]

unless...

[tacit halo]

Emails float around online

They’re not hard to find

[humble sparrow]

if you know the name you can reverse engineer it

[tacit halo]

95% of people who see them will do nothing

[tacit halo]

True

Most companies have a format

[humble sparrow]

use like hunter.io

or something yeah

[dapper shard]

@thin scroll yeah they know they're shit is just out there and there isn't anything they can do about it. im sure the ones that care will just not reply to cold emails though

[tacit halo]

Even then, just try every possible format

That’s they’re entire job

They review resumes of college kids and that’s it

What a sad life

Their entire job is to review resumes

10% of them will be willing to move you forward if you hit them up

That’s my empirical success rate

Roughly 10% of them do

[low epoch]

Damn I’m TA for a web dev course and grading assignments and kiddos are messin up like tiny things (2 or 3 pts worth) so i ask prof how i should grade and he’s like “i dont mind just use ur judgement”

[tacit halo]

That’s still a lot of recruiters

Their whole life is to review resumes

And reject people

What else do they do?

[pliant hawk]

its not that black and white lmao

[low epoch]

Alex dont say this

[tacit halo]

Besides sitting at a desk and spending 5 seconds reviewing resumes

[low epoch]

A job’s a job

[humble sparrow]

go to meetings argue about diversity and inclusivity

[pliant hawk]

dont recruiters do the phone screenings, or am i trippin

[patent sluice]

they're responsible for representing the company to candidates

phone screens

answering any questions

[low epoch]

“Phone” for some = live coding i’ve noticed

[patent sluice]

working ppl through the offer process

[tacit halo]

The resume screen is the worst part

Once you get past it it’s all chill

[low epoch]

But yeah in my book phone is chat with recruiter, non technical

[dapper shard]

aye chill with the recruiter slander man. my google recruiter was ecstatic when i told her i signed somewhere even when it wasn't google. she said it made her happy to see anybody she talked to in college making it into the industry

[low epoch]

But some people post in process and i think they mean technical phone screens? Idk

[tacit halo]

Has anyone else had success cold emailing recruiters?

The problem is that there’s so much inconsistency in the process. From what I’ve heard, 60% of the resume screen is out of your control

You can control roughly 40% of the outcome

Of a resume screen

[low epoch]

“What you’ve heard” alex is something for which there is no data

This is a very human process

Recruiting

[patent sluice]

yea resume screen is shit for entry level where every position at a big company has 10000< applicants

[tacit halo]

Empirical evidence and LinkedIn posts

[tacit halo]

True

[low epoch]

Show me an academic paper

I take nothing less for data

[tacit halo]

When they’re looking for someone with 15 years of experience it’s different

There will be much less subjectivity

I’m just using soft numbers

But I think I’m emphasizing the rng aspect

There are factors you just can’t control no matter how good you’re resume is

[low epoch]

Look man it’s one thing to say this is very rng and it’s human process. But to demean recreuiters is not good

[tacit halo]

And that means that there will be room for error

Okay I’m not demeaning recruiters as people

[low epoch]

Of course!!! What would u rather have??? Machines???

[tacit halo]

I’m demeaning the game

Not the players

[barren night]

You said their lives were sad lol

[tacit halo]

Hate the game not the players

Okay didn’t mean that directly

[low epoch]

Machines deciding careers lol i’ve seen too much anime for this

[tacit halo]

Okay I take that back

It’s more of my frustration with the process

The game

I think it just needs major reform

[low epoch]

Ok thats fine bud we’ll take ur word

But this is hard on all of us

[tacit halo]

I know many recruiters who are genuinely good people

But the process is imperfect

All humans are imperfect

[dapper shard]

the process is shit

[tacit halo]

I just think there should be less subjectivity involved

[dapper shard]

nothing we can do about it though

[tacit halo]

Some companies are actively making changes

Like banks

Pymetrics

[dapper shard]

Pymetrics is dumb.

[tacit halo]

The purpose of pymetrics is to remove human bias from the process

[barren night]

Pymetrics is so ass

[tacit halo]

It may not be perfect but it’s a step in the right direction

[low epoch]

U are assuming any step is a step in the right direction

[tacit halo]

The main goal is to remove subjectivity from the process and develop a more consistent pipeline

[nova knoll]

Lol personality tests before pymetrics

[dapper shard]

So if my personality is shit im just cut from the process

[barren night]

Yea let’s not turn this into college admissions

[low epoch]

Lol to be fair yes. But the prob is who decides what is shit. Machines?

[patent sluice]

don't they train pymetrics data by having the company's higher ups do the challenges, and then they try to match it to candidates with similar results
imagine you don't get a phone screen bc you press the spacebar faster than a 60 yr old with arthritis

[tacit halo]

It’s the best performing candidates in each role

The top 50 performers take the test

And they compare results to that

And try to find the best role based on that

They account for external factors like physiology

This is based on decades of neurology research

[low epoch]

inb4 pymetrics asks u for full body scan

[tacit halo]

What about byteboard

Where they give you a take home project

That can be submitted to many companies

And they show the company ur strengths and weaknesses and how it might be beneficial for each role

It gives u a chance to demonstrate ur ability in skills actually related to the job

[dapper shard]

lmao you're funny if you think i would start doing take home projects for companies just to get into the interview process

as much as i want to simp for cloudflare

they are funny with their take home project

[patent sluice]

dude fuck cloudflare

[low epoch]

fuck simping

At this point

Cmon

[dapper shard]

shit ill simp

[flat vine]

turn in take-home project with a password

[dapper shard]

only for the right one though 🥺

[low epoch]

Nah ur right peepo

I’ll sell out for $

[still gazelle]

everytime i see a take home project ill just send them to my github

[tacit halo]

I mean if it took 2 hours to do and u can submit it to 100 companies

That’s worth it

[low epoch]

“I did the project on my machine so it’s my IP now”

“Pay up”

[dapper shard]

on god my github looks like shit lmaoo

[still gazelle]

if its for 100 companies, ill spend 30 hours on it

[low epoch]

I’ve seen people get excellent jobs and not even a gh

[dapper shard]

i never commit anything to it anymore

[low epoch]

At least not listed on resume

New grads

[patent sluice]

same lol

[tacit halo]

What do u think they had?

[dapper shard]

my professors lied to me about a github too tbh

[still gazelle]

this is aight right?

[tacit halo]

Recruiters don’t have time to look at a github

[dapper shard]

yours looks better than mine lmao

[tacit halo]

They spend 6 seconds on each resume

[dapper shard]

mine looks like i don't even program

[still gazelle]

6 seconds?

naw

[tacit halo]

Ive heard online from a few studies that the average resume gets looked at for 6 seconds

What percent of ppl even pass the resume screen?

[still gazelle]

thats scary bro

imagine an engineer pulling up your code

and just roasting it

for 2 hours

[tacit halo]

I’ve heard that on average 2% of ppl pass the resume screen

I still doubt it’s that low for internships

[dapper shard]

no way its that low

[still gazelle]

thats low for yall?

[thick ridge]

my github contributions are super spread

[still gazelle]

[thick ridge]

I go on like weekend tirades

and then don't do shit for weeks

[still gazelle]

im gonna try to do one commit a day

get my github green as fuck 🍃

[thick ridge]

half my commits thjis month are me updating the resume on my website LOL

[low epoch]

nah don't worry about this too much

i mean i wanna know if yall have anecdotal evidence about engineers putting so much stock in your github

at the interview phase

sounds like paranoia

[dapper shard]

ayyyeee same lmaooo

[still gazelle]

what version control r u gonna use

[thick ridge]

don't some companies use github

ik a lot are internal

[still gazelle]

yeah..

oh okay

i thought u were just gonna copy and paste code or sum shit

instead of using github

[thick ridge]

bruhment

[tacit halo]

2% sounds very low

[low epoch]

maybe school is a big factor because i have 2 friends went to ivies and got new grad jobs at big banks with github NOT EVEN LISTED on resume

boring projects on resume

[tacit halo]

Like for amazon swe I heard the acceptance rate is probably about 10%

3k swe internships in the us

30k applicants

[thick ridge]

2% is google

for people who apply -> offer

im p sure

[tacit halo]

I heard it’s 5%

[thick ridge]

no I think it's honestly less

[tacit halo]

100k applications, 5k offers

[thick ridge]

the metric I heard was 1/130 which is less than 1p

but could be wrong

[low epoch]

these percentages might be misleading, apparently you got like 50% of applicants at some places being not even CS degrees or no degrees

(no offense)

[still gazelle]

wait, i dont think ive passed a single resume screening... i dont think my resume is bad at all

[tacit halo]

There’s only 260k CS students in the us

[thick ridge]

grad year really fucks you im ngl

[tacit halo]

Most aren’t looking to get into google

[thick ridge]

last year i got like no responses at all

[still gazelle]

lemme post resume here for 20 seconds

[low epoch]

it's this entire discord applying to all the same jobs alex lol

[still gazelle]

check it out

[low epoch]

i'll rate bezos

[still gazelle]

its not trash

gpa could be better

but still

[tacit halo]

This discord is representative of the top 10% of CS students

[low epoch]

i have it loaded u can delete

if u afraid

[still gazelle]

yee

i dont think its bad

[tacit halo]

Would definitely not say it’s trash

[still gazelle]

i fucked my GPA

[tacit halo]

Formatting is good for the most part

[still gazelle]

by being too busy grinding projects

last sem

[tacit halo]

In the end it’s really not a big deal

[still gazelle]

yeah

ill get it up this sem

[tacit halo]

Ur gpa is fine for all the big n’s

[low epoch]

ok bezos it's not bad

[tacit halo]

The only companies with weird gpa cutoffs in my experience are defense companies

[low epoch]

ur super far from grad so that's prob it

visuals and content looks great

[tacit halo]

Even for trading companies it’s not that big of a deal

Except for maybe de Shaw

[low epoch]

obviously the memberships in club you should look to phase out soon

[still gazelle]

yeah

im planning to as i get more experiences

[low epoch]

just membership listed is a bit fluff

[tacit halo]

If u have real leadership or volunteer experience I’d list it

Just make it a small section

It’s not a bad thing

[still gazelle]

i have irrelevant work experience

[tacit halo]

Given that ur still a student I think it’s okay

[low epoch]

yeah lemme dm you mine if you're curious, i passed a lot of screens (also irrelevant experience) when i was w 2 yrs from grad, now that i'm 1 year the rates got better

[still gazelle]

sure man

[low epoch]

but technicals/LC always mess me up 😦

[still gazelle]

id appreciate it

also guys im not applying to like

big N

im literally applying to noname companies

and comapnies where i fit the qualifications

[tacit halo]

When I applied with 2023 on my resume the response rate was literally 0%

Even to local companies

When I applied with 2022 (this year) it was at least 10%

[unreal anchor]

can confirm having an earlier date gets you more callbacks

[tacit halo]

Ppl exaggerate their grad date all the time

It’s literally the norm here

[low epoch]

yeah the same candidate can prob have response rate triple from year to year

[dapper shard]

my response rate this season with two unpaid no name companies for internships got me 14% response rate

[still gazelle]

im getting perfect/almost perfect scores on the OAs that i am getting

so idk what im doign wrong lol

[tacit halo]

If u have the ability to graduate early then put it down

[low epoch]

yeah so u aiming for nonames is the right move

[tacit halo]

Are they automatic?

[still gazelle]

on my transcript my grad date is stuck as 2024

[still gazelle]

yup 😦

[tacit halo]

If so ur getting grad dated

[low epoch]

i would do big names only for experience to feel out the process bezos

become familiar

[tacit halo]

Can it be changed?

[still gazelle]

im gonna see

[tacit halo]

Could u theoretically graduate in 3 years?

With the right courseload

[still gazelle]

yes

i have 47 credits

[tacit halo]

Okay then I’d get that changed immediately

Junior >>> sophomore >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>... freshman

[still gazelle]

yup

all my beast friends

barely got shit freshman year

but sophomore year

they went off

[tacit halo]

It’s cuz interns are a loss of money to companies

Even during ur first 2 years as a new grad ur still a loss

That’s why rsus r deferred

I’d u leave the company they’re worthless

If I’ve been there for 10 years ur generating millions

So in the long run ur a big gain

That’s why companies will do whatever they can to keep u around

Quick napkin calculation but if amazon interns each make 24k over the summer and there’s 8k of them, that’s 192m. Factor in other things and it’s probably about 500m. If no one returns that’s a huge loss for them that will impact their bottom line

[thick ridge]

they have money to lose

500m is nothing to amazon at all

amazon yearly revenue is 280bn

amazon yearly revenue is 280bn

[muted leaf]

lmao submitted twitter oa within 5 minute

gave 0 shit

i just couldnt

[thick ridge]

lol i done that too many times

[muted leaf]

whoever solves it with perfect score would actually deserve to work at twitter no matter what imo

[abstract wagon]

perfect score in practically half the time still ghosted

send help

[still gazelle]

codeforces yellow or purple for yall

[muted leaf]

do companies ghost randomly

another rng right

my codeforce is green or blue i believe

wait

no that's codeforce

read it as codesignal

do codesignal general assessment score/result disappear after few weeks?

[abstract wagon]

im purple

will hit orange eventually 😈

[loud hollow]

i swear magic kirb is william lin's long lost brother

[thick ridge]

im getting those vibes too lowkey

[loud hollow]

do yall think william has an internship secured

[abstract wagon]

i doubt he cares for one l0l

more likely to make the next c3.ai XD

[loud hollow]

[abstract wagon]

wait i meant scale ai

there's too many ai's

[thick ridge]

dude that fucker who made scale ai

fuck him

why cant i be that smart

[abstract wagon]

yeah facts

the face of success

[thick ridge]

he was 19 when he dropped outta school and started it

crazy

im 19 and wasting my life on leetcode

[abstract wagon]

im 20 wasting my life on leetcode 💯

[dapper shard]

almost wish I actually did good on ScaleAI OA

[lilac cloak]

you guys getting twitter OA?

they told me i'd hear back within 7 business days on the 12th

[dapper shard]

yeah a bunch of people got the OA

[muted leaf]

i got one but

gg'ed

sorry for wasting this opportunity but i jsut couldnt 😔

[dapper shard]

i mean

[tacit halo]

Yeah his is such an outlier even in the world of startups

[dapper shard]

people didn't do the OA last year

and they moved on

[tacit halo]

He is not representative of the average unicorn founder

[muted leaf]

wdym

[dapper shard]

so idk if the OA even has much weight to begin with

[muted leaf]

oh

[dapper shard]

like people straight up didn't do the OA

and they got twitter phone

[muted leaf]

[dapper shard]

so i doubt the OA is a big deal tbh

[muted leaf]

welp

it felt good just submitting in blank

that one is real for sure

im satisfied

[tacit halo]

Scale ai shouldn’t be hyped up

What are they doing that’s so unique?

There’s aws mechanical Turk

They’re contracting work out to third world countries

And using these people to label data

Their series a and series b were relatively modest

$4.7M series A, $18M series b

Average series a is much higher than that

They started generating hype when they announced that their 22 year old founder raised 100m

This is absolutely not the norm

[simple saffron]

oh fuck thats scaleAI?

lmfao

[gray quarry]

did codesignal disable taking real tests anytime

[simple saffron]

yep

[gray quarry]

dang

[still gazelle]

how tf do i answer these kinda questions

"money" "money"

[simple saffron]

fuck those narcissistic companies

[still gazelle]

its like i gotta gass them up before

[simple saffron]

yeah nah fuck that

they wont get quality engineers doing that

they'll just get simps

[dapper shard]

eh true

idk i usually try to actually answer those questions though lmao

like i try to tailor my response to what im hoping to get experience wise out of the internship

[still gazelle]

"i believe i can help the company achieve it$ mi$$ion"

[mild kelp]

"i believe ithe company can help ~~the company ~~ me achieve my mi$$ion"

[lilac cloak]

oh my

bezos simp no. 194727r

[still gazelle]

im a future bezos simp

not yet

[lilac cloak]

i would be cautious about simping for bezos this early

[tacit halo]

Fuck Bezos

Literally a joke of a ceo

I know what hi$ mi$$ion i$

Be an Elon simp

[tacit halo]

Okay. Just try to make it sound genuine. Look up the company values and what they do and write really passionately about how you’d contribute

Ever since I was 3 years old, I’ve been fascinated by the idea of logistics

[still gazelle]

with alex u never know

[feral shoal]

I recently got rejected from a company I really wanted, but I solved the coding problem completely with 35 minutes to spare. I even took a screenshot of my completed code for reference. Is it worth asking why I got rejected?

[dapper shard]

i mean you can ask but you probably won't get any constructive feedback

[unborn coral]

Anyone here gone through an interview process with EA (Electronic Arts)?

[hasty pulsar]

@unborn coral

Which location?

[unborn coral]

Austin, TX

[sinful tinsel]

is it possible to do a cs research intern and swe intern together or nah?

[tacit halo]

Honestly anything is possible. Assuming an internship takes up 8 hours a day, throw in another 2 for CS research and it should be doable

Also I see CS research as a longer term thing

Even at work how many ppl are productive the whole time. Ur probably only productive half the time

[runic tinsel]

apple won't allow this

[tacit halo]

I mean cse research is pretty much the same as any other personal project

Is it the moonlight clause

Most roles are unpaid

So it’s pretty much the same as volunteering

[thick ridge]

yo any nvidia interns get good swag? I'm tryna be dripped out

[sinful tinsel]

Ah ok

[sinful tinsel]

Interesting

[ionic bronze]

yes

@left moss im doing it rn

tho my classes are at night

[cyan valley]

o fr??

[ionic bronze]

ye

[cyan valley]

part time?

or full time

[ionic bronze]

taking 3 cs courses and 40 hours a week internship

[cyan valley]

How many credit hrs are u in

Hooooooooooooooly

[ionic bronze]

9 hours

[cyan valley]

o 9 hrs

[ionic bronze]

just slightly below full-time lol

i can't imagine doing ft

am dm

[still gazelle]

can you do amazon internship remote or not. cuz if so, that housing bonus is OP

[stiff vessel]

you can do it remote

[still gazelle]

holyyy fuckkk

[obtuse otter]

bro that housing is deadass another $15+/hr 😩

[still gazelle]

im thirsty for that bro

[thorny gorge]

amazon pls give me oa

[thick ridge]

is amazon still sending out oa's

i thought last wave was the end

[thorny gorge]

are they done with app/propel

[still gazelle]

im gonna eat sleep and breathe leetcode this summer for amazon

[thorny gorge]

same

[thick ridge]

can u even LC your way into stripe

lmao

I fell like all the companies I wanna target next year are all rng lowkey

like what happens if I dont get past the resume screen

then gg

[still gazelle]

which ones man

[thick ridge]

like twitter

there's no guaruntee that you'll get any form of communication lol

[still gazelle]

yeah ull get ghosted after perfect score on OA

man has anyone here even received a twitter offer?

holy shit

[thorny gorge]

amazon pls give me oa

[thick shore]

only new grad offers

[dapper shard]

Yes someone has

Back in October

She got it from GHC

[still gazelle]

Poggggg

[dapper shard]

Besides that a few people on LinkedIn have showed up with twitter offers for SWE but besides that no one else in the server has gotten one except for new grad

And yes I think a couple of people in here have twitter phone already.

[lilac cloak]

i dont think TC should be only indicator of targets

even if TC is your only indication, amazon wouldn't be your top target if you're looking for a return offer

[sonic badger]

i hear that a lot of those companies require 2 big N / faang internships

ngl twitter FT my dream

that ft wfh

[thick ridge]

ion even want ft wfh

but it's wack if the bar is 2 big-n