now
#2021_summer
abstract wagon
pliant hawk
doing blind 75 now cuz i jus found that shit out
loud hollow
still gazelle
jump game is my favorite problem on there
pliant hawk
i like reverse a linked list
sinful tinsel
Are quant interns mainly targeting seniors?
thick ridge
LRU cache is my #1 problem
still gazelle
u mean jrs?
still gazelle
LRU cache is my #1 problem
bro i cant do that shit
thick ridge
got that shit in an interview and ace'd it on sight
still gazelle
cap 1?
thick ridge
nah tf
thick ridge
lol i had min stack for c1
loud hollow
broo what
thick ridge
and some dumbass middleschool problem no cap
still gazelle
LMAO
thick ridge
yeah DLL and hash map
loud hollow
bruuu fuck that
still gazelle
man the fuck
loud hollow
sinful tinsel
Startups are still recruiting right?
still gazelle
i dont blame u bro
still gazelle
Startups are still recruiting right?
yup ycombinator internships are a good place to look
theres like 8-9 open there
sinful tinsel
R they swe?
still gazelle
yes...
abstract wagon
I didn't even manage to get an interview from YCombinator LOL
still gazelle
not sure
sinful tinsel
Does it take a long time to hear back?
sinful tinsel
Is it too late?
still gazelle
its s till open
abstract wagon
just apply
still gazelle
so its not too late
thick ridge
its almost never too late
still gazelle
its not late until it closes
abstract wagon
its not over until it's over 😎
sinful tinsel
Summer 2021 positions right?
still gazelle
ye
thick ridge
yeah bro i'm in interview pipelines for spring and we're in jan
u got time for summer
abstract wagon
yeah bro i'm in interview pipelines for spring and we're in jan
wait fr?
thick ridge
yeh lol
abstract wagon
LOL
abstract wagon
I was just wondering what do you guys think of comcast and amex
or which would probably be more beneficial for a resume
twilit mesa
amex is cool
everyone that i talked to about their internship with amex told me they had a positive experience
ionic bronze
yeah bro i'm in interview pipelines for spring and we're in jan
how tf is spring still hiring, i started my spring internship two month ago
frozen palm
dude if im given LRU Cache in an interview
lmao facts bro ive read the solution like 3 times now and still dont really know it
pliant hawk
its already spring in cali
still gazelle
THE competitive programming site
ionic bronze
tacit halo
yeah bro i'm in interview pipelines for spring and we're in jan
Same!
I applied to nvidia for winter in January and got an interview
It’s only too late to apply for summer 2021 internships when summer 2021 ends
Only because it will be physically impossible to at that point
still gazelle
@tacit halo urgento brother
where do u get recruiter emails
i forgot to bookmark em
still gazelle
ty mnannn
im down so bad that i think im gonna cold email some recruiters with the same alma mater as me
tacit halo
@still gazelle I have a database
silk vigil
@tacit halo Did you have a greater success rate inmailing recruiter or emailing?
tacit halo
Anyone who wants it, just dm me
tacit halo
<@!628059839469453322> Did you have a greater success rate inmailing recruiter o...
Cold emailing
Cuz ur limited to 10 inmails a month
still gazelle
LMAOOO
cyan valley
What the heck is inmail
tacit halo
What the heck is inmail
Premium feature
U can get 30 inmails a month but it’s like $100 a month
tardy minnow
anyone here get a rejection yet from Tiktok OA dec 28th?
cyan valley
@tacit halo What premium
simple saffron
tacit halo
<@!628059839469453322> What premium
Premium LinkedIn features
thick ridge
yeah its pricey af
cyan valley
this guy really went from
recruiting for apple
to recrtuiting from dropbox
to recruiting for tesla
to recruiting for netflix
what the heck.
still gazelle
tbh
tsla was the best gig
senior recruiter
maybe dropbox too
he took an L going for netflix
abstract wagon
what do you even do as a recruiter
vivid lintel
Ugh being a recruiter at a top tech company must be so nice. You literally have dozens of people throwing themselves onto you everyday lol.
still gazelle
what do you even do as a recruiter
not respond to applications
thick ridge
send oa and ghost
abstract wagon
i can automate that
cyan valley
^
still gazelle
all recruiters know how to do these days are send OA and ghost
abstract wagon
hire me
still gazelle
one day
one of us is gonna make an AI for recruiting
then all those fuckers will lose their jobs
edgy dagger
all recruiters know how to do these days are send OA and ghost
And eat hot chip and lie
vivid lintel
It's called pymetrics bro
abstract wagon
na im pretty sure thats not going to happen
people need to read resumes
unless companies mandate a certain format for easy parsing
still gazelle
It's called pymetrics bro
that sounds like a python liibrary
cyan valley
LOL PYMETRICS
cyan valley
Pyschology = recruiter
vivid lintel
All my homies hate pymetrics
thick ridge
pymetrics makes me feel like a monkey spamming the keyboard
silk ridge
testing for code monkeys @thick ridge
cyan valley
this guy went to stanford for human computer interaction
still gazelle
and is a recruiter?
cyan valley
L O L
vivid lintel
pymetrics makes me feel like a monkey spamming the keyboard
Wait that's exactly what I do for a living
still gazelle
bro shouldve gone for human human interaction 🤣
vivid lintel
Spam keyboard until code works
cyan valley
human human interaction 💀
tacit halo
Stanford to become a recruiter?!?!?!?
cyan valley
alex
tardy minnow
this guy went to stanford for human computer interaction
Symbolic Systems is a 5Head major
cyan valley
check dm
tacit halo
Ok
still gazelle
imagine paying 70k a year
to be a recruiter
imagine you go to your dream school to get your dream job, ....of being a recruiter
tacit halo
imagine paying 70k a year
To make 30k a year
abstract wagon
nothing wrong with that tbh
tardy minnow
Im sure apple, netflix and tesla recruiters make much more than 30k
tacit halo
What about internship recruiters?
still gazelle
idk how recruiters would like thier jobs
abstract wagon
as long as you're responsible for your own finances/life im not going to be judgey
tacit halo
So 6 figures out of school is also the norm for recruiters?
cyan valley
Na
tacit halo
Hidden gem
still gazelle
yeah bro they do leetrecruit to minmax their comp
still gazelle
U'd get a lot of angry peple at u though
cough me cough
vivid lintel
It's interesting until you don't meet quota 
tacit halo
What do recruiters even do?
still gazelle
recruit
tacit halo
Can it be automated?
tacit halo
Sift through resumes all day
vivid lintel
It already is automated to hell
cyan valley
^
abstract wagon
^
still gazelle
the reason why this whole industry is fucked up
vivid lintel
We do OAs, Karat, online applications
still gazelle
is cuz u have dudes who apply to 600 different places
regardless of the qualifications
vivid lintel
Half the work is done for the recruiter by the time you talk to one
tacit halo
Oa’s and karats can replace recruiters
abstract wagon
karat 
still gazelle
maybe maybe how well you do on an OA isnt the best representation of how well ull do on the job
even though id like that to be true
abstract wagon
yo some recruiters have to call you to tell you you cant code and then reject you- thats worth money
tacit halo
maybe maybe how well you do on an OA isnt the best representation of how well ul...
It’s not that much worse than some random recruiter using their subjective opinions
vivid lintel
Nah there's companies whose whole living depends on generating a single score that measures your value
still gazelle
i agree with that
vivid lintel
Shoutout to codesignal and hackerrank
still gazelle
it has to be standardized
silk ridge
🤖 we will update your application in 7 days
tacit halo
It needs to be standardized
bitter oriole
pinterest uses karat for oas and interviews but u dont see them giving it to everyone lol
vivid lintel
Standardization ruins creativity
tacit halo
The same resume may pass the resume screen sometimes and not others
vivid lintel
That's why the SAT is a meme
abstract wagon
i think its fine as it is
still gazelle
like your SWEs might think im a chad but if you dont then it doesnt matter
tacit halo
The swes never even get to see u until u get through the recruiter
abstract wagon
no
tacit halo
All recruiters need to follow the same guidlines
bitter oriole
ur not gonna see standardization. companies have diff priorities and recruitment strats
still gazelle
ur working with the SWEs not the recruiter
tacit halo
They can just use a rubric
abstract wagon
swes time are worth money
still gazelle
true that
abstract wagon
doesnt make sense to let you directly talk to swes
abstract wagon
the good thing is there's a lot of companies
bitter oriole
i dont think recruiters are as varied on who should get oas as u guys think
tacit halo
Resume reviews should be abolished for entry level swes
tacit halo
Look if u need someone with 15 years of experience, fine
tacit halo
But at the entry level the factors are mostly elitist
bitter oriole
experience should always matter regardless
still gazelle
no matter how good he is at leetcode
abstract wagon
no ones gonna waste hours of their life to do your test lol
tacit halo
That’s what I’m advocating for
tacit halo
It’s the most objective way to find talent
still gazelle
honestly in the end
tacit halo
Resume screens are subjective and elitist
still gazelle
it doesnt matter
cyan valley
resume screens have target school = ez
still gazelle
u either get an offer or u dont
bitter oriole
experience is already not as valued in this industry than others except for getting an oa rlly
with a few exceptions
tacit halo
u either get an offer or u dont
Not an offer, but everyone should at least have a fair chance to prove their skills
still gazelle
Not an offer, but everyone should at least have a fair chance to prove their ski...
but companies dont have the resources to give everyone a fair chance
thick ridge
^
abstract wagon
hackerrank : 🤑
tacit halo
but companies dont have the resources to give everyone a fair chance
A skills based assessment
A hackerrank is totally fair
still gazelle
isnt that hackkerrank
nova inlet
@tacit halo Hey man - completely random and can be ignored because it's not what the convo is currently on about, but you told me about some resources for Startups, and I'm in Canada. I went through a few and read up ycombinator techcrunch as well as looked at levels.fyi - nearly all of the companies were US and I doubt they'd sponsor me/ work remotely for an intern.
So I've been looking for resources for Canada/Specifically Montreal jobs (I won't have enough money to live in another city with the pay I'll get probably) - so I found a website like https://builtinmtl.com/ and a lot of the jobs aren't tech, but those that are - I looked at - and I've been sending resumes to but mostly been ghosted to. Do you have any recommendation on how to approach all of this?
bitter oriole
a hackerrank shouldnt be the only signal for u to get an interview
tacit halo
<@!628059839469453322> Hey man - completely random and can be ignored because it...
Will dm
bitter oriole
ur experience should as well
abstract wagon
not disagreeing
tacit halo
a hackerrank shouldnt be the only signal for u to get an interview
I mean skills based assessments
abstract wagon
im ok with how it is currently
bitter oriole
companies will never discount experience as it makes no sense
bitter oriole
nah i dont want no triplebyte shit either
still gazelle
either or, oa-> resume screening would waste a lot of peoples time
still gazelle
i dont have the time to do 4 hour take homes
tacit halo
Outsource the reviewers
still gazelle
for my 160+ applications
tacit halo
Karat is automated tho
bitter oriole
nope
tacit halo
Give everyone a karat
abstract wagon
recruiters aren't that bad, you might have come across some that were so and so "subjective" but most of them I've found recruit fairly.
abstract wagon
i did
still gazelle
recruiters aren't that bad, you might have come across some that were so and so ...
im just biased cuz im a shit candidate
tacit halo
But why do some people with no experience pass the resume screen while others with experience don’t?
What factors in?
abstract wagon
they mostly measure off experience school and gpa
thick ridge
karat just makes me feel like company doesn't wanna spend time on me smh
abstract wagon
because in general they make the most sense
bitter oriole
leadership exp, projects, networking, etc
still gazelle
school actually plays a big deal
bitter oriole
a bunch of possible reasons
abstract wagon
school matters a lot idk what ur saying
4.0 and your local nobody school doesnt mean jack
still gazelle
a 3.5 at MIT is different than like a 3.5 at some shitty uni
abstract wagon
^
still gazelle
also i bet u
tacit halo
a 3.5 at MIT is different than like a 3.5 at some shitty uni
U can prove ur skills through the oa
abstract wagon
oa is super specific to algos
still gazelle
how much do u wanna bet that the MIT kid will have a much higher chance of passing that OA than that shitty uni kid
bitter oriole
be a no name school in the same workplace as a bunch of target schoolers and you'll be more impressive 😤
thick ridge
they don't wanna send you the OA if you don't meet certain criteria
silk ridge
we are approaching the does gpa matter topic 
bitter oriole
does gpa matter
abstract wagon
yes
tacit halo
Everyone who meets the basic qualifications gets the oa then
abstract wagon
anyone who tells you otherwise is capping
tacit halo
Like tiktok
bitter oriole
no
tacit halo
Tiktok said they will give the oa to everyone who meets the basic qualifications
bitter oriole
that would make job recruiting even more cutthroat tbh
tacit halo
And interview anyone who does well on the oa
abstract wagon
what would @bitter oriole ?
bitter oriole
what if a lot of ppl do well on the oa
still gazelle
r u codeforces red
tacit halo
Tiktok oa
abstract wagon
no im candidate master
uncut herald
Nutanix vs intuit vs expedia?
bitter oriole
ppl till got interviews with tiktok even tho they didnt do the best on it iirc
thick ridge
nutanix
uncut herald
Why nutanix over the others?
turbid river
Nutanix vs intuit vs expedia?
they're all around the same tier in terms of name and tc just go with what seems most interesting
abstract wagon
i think nutanix has stronger engineering talent
still gazelle
whiney babies
you think codeforces yellow = citadel level?
abstract wagon
just from impressions
turbid river
Yeah they have a pretty high hiring bar from what I've heard
abstract wagon
you think codeforces yellow = citadel level?
recruiting should be a joke for anyone seriously climbing cf
you dont do cf to get a job
still gazelle
recruiting should be a joke for anyone seriously climbing cf
i like cp so im thinking of doing it once im good enough at meds/hards
tacit halo
Well what factors do u think correlate best with job performance?
tacit halo
recruiting should be a joke for anyone seriously climbing cf
Can’t say that
earnest musk
abstract wagon
im not even gonna bother talking about this
tacit halo
Why do even ppl with faang experience often get ghosted by the majority of places they apply to?
abstract wagon
waste of breath
abstract wagon
Why do even ppl with faang experience often get ghosted by the majority of place...
where are you even getting this from lol
tacit halo
where are you even getting this from lol
Empirical evidence
tacit halo
"by the majority"
They get resume rejected by at least 51% of the places they apply to
It’s not uncommon
still gazelle
how do u know bro
like what
just pulling numbers outta ur ass
like if u had a faang internship
id trust u
tacit halo
Reading this discord
still gazelle
ah yes
turbid river
Empirical != anecdotal lmao
still gazelle
getting information from people who could be lying
abstract wagon
🤦♀️
tacit halo
I think we can at least all agree that recruiting needs to be reformed
How? That’s up for debate
still gazelle
idk what a better system is
abstract wagon
i think recruiting is very reflective of how industry works
pliant hawk
how do u pick ppl froma pool of 10k+doe
tacit halo
I think the main thing would be to find a way to remove subjectivity and inconsistency from the process
There should be a rubric for everything
Interviewers should have a rubric that clearly outlines how to give scores and then tally up the points
abstract wagon
same
tacit halo
The outcome should be the same no matter who the interviewer or recruiter is
thick ridge
no
tacit halo
Like some recruiters might pass the same resume forward and others might not
abstract wagon
no
tacit halo
Why?
thick ridge
this isn't a standardized test
abstract wagon
u do realize when you standardize everything
people will just work to game it
and cater to acing those specific things
if interviews werent algo based none of us would do leetcode
yeah exactly
nova inlet
If they don't have a good set of qualities they seek that they can impose without having people being able to fake it, then it's just time to figure out what other qualities would help, no?
tacit halo
Well, many companies are starting to do more in depth studies to figure out which qualifies best correlate with success on the job
nova inlet
Eventually even if people fake it, they're "the best" candidates no? I mean you're going to an interview and you're told in advance, so it's not like you can't prepare
the only way to make sure you're not faking is to then be spied on non-stop no?
pliant hawk
i like leetcode engineering to get software engineering job
tacit halo
The problem is that someone’s subjectivity can influence such a big decision. One recruiter might reject someone for a lack of leadership experience and others might reject u for having leadership experience on ur resume and no more swe stuff
abstract wagon
im going somewhere rn so i got nothing else to do
abstract wagon
bonk
real nacelle
pymetrics is the worst thing ever lmao
tacit halo
The people who developed it are 40 years old. Everyone here is half that
real nacelle
you could technically hire a 12 year old child that presses buttons the same as the employees
abstract wagon
^
real nacelle
I think pymetrics is cool but its use case for CS hiring is terrible
abstract wagon
by that argument when im 100 i should make a startup and everyone younger than me should invest
otherwise it would make no sense
pliant hawk
leetcode the goat
tacit halo
What about triplebyte?
abstract wagon
leetcode engineering 💆♀️
tacit halo
Triplebyte and pymetrics raises funding from top VC’s. Leetcode didnt
nova inlet
leetcode is good because people get a pretty alright foundation of the basic Algos and Data structs and it also shows that a person is 'willing' to go out of their way to get a job?
pliant hawk
what is a vc
tacit halo
pymetrics is just button clicking
There’s definitely a correlation
barren night
I’m actually starting to like doing leetcode now that i’m a bit better
nova inlet
venture capitalists @pliant hawk I think
tacit halo
what is a vc
Venture capitalist
real nacelle
I think their point is that everything doesnt have to be based off the numbers
abstract wagon
this
pliant hawk
im too dumb to know what that is still, google here i come
nova inlet
@pliant hawk People that invest in companies I think
tacit halo
What can we do to make this field more inclusive though?
pliant hawk
cant do shit
abstract wagon
how is it not inclusive
real nacelle
It is very inclusive
pliant hawk
thick ridge
does it have to be more inclusive
nova inlet
by field you mean huge tech companies?
real nacelle
Making 150k+ in New Grad should not be inclusive
tacit halo
how is it not inclusive
Certain ethnic groups are very underrepresented
nova inlet
that's an equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome thing I think..
abstract wagon
Certain ethnic groups are very underrepresented
this is a societal thing, join a politics talk not cs talk
pliant hawk
literally everyone is going to this field cuz of the money
doesnt matter what degree
abstract wagon
i just joined last week 
still gazelle
i think we should help create programs in underfunded URM high schools to encourage CS but we shouldn't discriminate against ORM during applications
abstract wagon
i agree a little bit with helping URMS get into the industry
even though I'm super utilitarian
nova inlet
Aren't ORMs a database thing
nova inlet
so much dopamine from the - that can't be good
thick ridge
thank you andre
small fossilBOT
You can only use this command in #2021_grad_process or #2021_intern_process
icy juniper
oops
tacit halo
There’s a lot of work to be done, but the good thing is that companies are starting to do more
thorny hazel
my sde intern portal for amazon updated. anyone know what this means? i had my interview 2 days ago
thorny hazel
oh really? how can u tell?
thorny hazel
my friend who got an offer sent his dashboard and it’s slightly different. under pat applications it says “sde internship - seattle/bellevue” but mine says “sde internship - summer 2021”
so i was thinking i didn’t get it
nova knoll
my friend who got an offer sent his dashboard and it’s slightly different. under...
You are still in middle it’s “moving to another job” the line were it actually does that hasn’t shown up yet but ultimately it will like your friend this is virtual offer
thorny hazel
ooh ok that makes sense. thanks guys!
mossy swan
thorny hazel
i remember checking this morning before 1:37 and it hadn’t updated. i just checked at around 7pm and it was updated
thorny hazel
thank u!
small fossilBOT
Unable to locate data on Snowflake
lone orbit
I got an offer the following business day, congrats but don’t celebrate too early
thorny hazel
yeah i don’t expect anything. i’m not gonna assume i got it
ionic bronze
What’s a good salary
at least 1mil TC
lone orbit
That for a lifetime?
vivid lintel
What’s a good salary
Anything you can reasonably live off of while still saving on a regular basis
ionic bronze
probably 100k base salary tbh
ionic bronze
Oh intern
thorny hazel
10k for a summer right?
ionic bronze
a month?
vivid lintel
Oh for intern I'd say as long as you can pay rent and eat, doesn't matter much lol
hasty pulsar
10k for summer?
ionic bronze
probably 6k+ a month
thorny hazel
i think it depends a ton on the company
ionic bronze
including housing
vivid lintel
What's tax like in Cali
lone orbit
Based on 6k/month lets say
ionic bronze
@hasty pulsar why, did you get an offer?
tardy minnow
how long is turn around time after amazon final? Like if I do it tmrw will I know by monday - wednesday?
hasty pulsar
Yea I did! @ionic bronze
I got one in San Diego area
But they lowballing me pree hard I think
thorny hazel
for 6k a month or 72k a year ur looking at about 5% income state tax in california
still gazelle
fucking taxes are making me libertarian
ionic bronze
any housing?
ionic bronze
and you have to move there?
hasty pulsar
Teradata
ionic bronze
hmm
obtuse spruce
@hasty pulsar What year you in
hasty pulsar
3rd
thorny hazel
it’s not remote?
ionic bronze
you should be getting paid 40 at least in canadian
ionic bronze
do you have another offer?
obtuse spruce
canadian job market is so undervalued
ionic bronze
i don't really know, don't have much experience with that 😦
ionic bronze
i'd show them intern pay data for their company and compare COL from Austin to your city
and ask for 30 CAD as that'll be reasonable
but idk
i dont have any experience with negotiating
thorny hazel
before computer science i was a premed major and a lot of the shit in premed was unpaid so i’m pleased with any amount of money lol
ionic bronze
i just don't want you to negotiate and lose your offer
hasty pulsar
Yeah ok
ionic bronze
idk if companies do that
hasty pulsar
Ik
I’m scared
A few dollars more though
How much time do people get to accept an offer?
thorny hazel
i feel like it’s usually a month
sinful oar
I interviewed with Justworks in person last year, it was like resume -> recruiter -> final
winter citrus
is fb still hiring for summer?
real birch
ya just got an email from a recruiter today might depend on uni recruiter tho
low epoch
kirb
abstract wagon
kirb?
pulsar shadow
kirb
simple saffron
birb
eager valve
Phineas and ferb
ionic bronze
anyone know how good oracle is?
formal finch
anyone know how good oracle is?
depends where tbh
does anyone know if I can convert c1 for fall?
or nah
ionic bronze
Oh it's remote, I just got a phone with them but idk if it's worth doing the interviews
Oh it was OCI
limber hazel
yep oci is top tier
ionic bronze
ooh
low epoch
top tier pay apparently
obtuse otter
ionic bronze
that looks hella sketch
ionic bronze
what is that url tho lmao
obtuse otter
link shortener from jehron petty himself
ionic bronze
pog
cyan valley
@thorny hazel u were a pre med major? and switched to cs
obtuse otter
Jehron is colorstack guy right
hes a hunk yes
obtuse otter
arent they the same thing
thorny hazel
@cyan valley yeah i was premed before switching to cs
cyan valley
western digital
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@thorny hazel Danggg, when did u switch
i have a bunch of pre med friends
thorny hazel
i did my first quarter in university as a premed major then switched my second quarter
ionic bronze
F in doctor
low epoch
Why debug people when u can debug code
thorny hazel
exactlyyy
obtuse otter
tysm
eager valve
data engineering
What’s ur opinion on data engineering
obtuse otter
What’s ur opinion on data engineering
all i know is that its similar to data science
muted leaf
amazon interns cant refer to anyone or can they? or is it only full times
tacit halo
only experienced hire
What’s experienced hire? Can someone who’s been there for 2 years refer me
Well I guess people were abusing the system
A very generous member here gave out like 100
vivid lintel
no referrals anymore for intern or new grad
Good, Amazon referrals never helped anyways
Last year I applied with a referral, didn't get OA. This year I applied without referral, did get OA.
muted leaf
damn you genius
sonic badger
no referrals anymore for intern or new grad
u sure about that?
i got referred by intern converted ft
muted thorn
Fb is officially remote this summer 😔
Apparently they are going to revise offers for some people based on location, does anyone know if that was common last year?
thick shore
Apparently they are going to revise offers for some people based on location, do...
not sure when it exactly started, but it was in effect for winter interns this year
muted thorn
All of them?
thick shore
i mean, i know people living in lower COL area that were effected
muted thorn
Hmm well I live in a hcol city but it’s not the Bay Area
thick shore
you can always just relocate to sf and live in their corporate housing and still receive full pay i think
their corp housing is nice
cc @hidden juniper ^
he has more context than i do
willow locust
!process snowflake oa
small fossilBOT
You can only use this command in #2021_grad_process or #2021_intern_process
fast apex
you can always just relocate to sf and live in their corporate housing and still...
Even when its remote?
thick shore
yes
marsh meadow
That was active last summer but I really doubt they'd continue offering corp housing if it's remote
nova inlet
we have noticed that you would require sponsorship as a foreign national so no consideration for you
eager valve
@fast dagger add me on league?
thick shore
That was active last summer but I really doubt they'd continue offering corp hou...
para has confirmation on whether or not u can this summer again i think :)
marsh meadow
yes or no :)
thorny gorge
Why debug people when u can debug code
lmao 
muted thorn
Fb said in the email they were still offering corp housing but it might be limited because they are only putting 1 person per room
surreal cedar
drw
runic tinsel
*we have noticed that you would require sponsorship as a foreign national so no ...
which company?
nova inlet
which company?
DRW
thorny gorge
verizon was 100% behavorial for mE
soft hazel
concurrency principles + OOS
OOP*
they asked me locks/semaphores/barriers etc.
and basic type stuff
drowsy quarry
how flexible are companies usually with their summer start dates?
is asking to start mid july usually too late?
languid sparrow
did anyone do a technical with snowflake?
wondering how difficult it would be and if i should even bother preping or just canceling
pulsar ridge
has anyone done an interview with unity
torn dagger
they asked me locks/semaphores/barriers etc.
what class do i learn this stuff in
OS?
lilac cloak
your uni should have a general overview no?
will get better guideline on syllabus week
lilac cloak
google is a powerful tool
torn dagger
true, but im talkin bout my school lol
quarter system is rough
everything feels so rushed
torn dagger
ohh
terse torrent
pulsar ridge
ty ty
tardy minnow
how heavily is behavioral weighted for amazon? Breezed through the Leetcode problem but my behavioral answer was kinda iffy
abstract wagon
is fidelity a good company?
humble sparrow
how heavily is behavioral weighted for amazon? Breezed through the Leetcode prob...
it depends a lot on your interviewer. some put more weight on behavioral and some on technical
fwiw I did not get optimal solution still got offer
tardy minnow
I only got asked one behavioral question and I answered it pretty vaguely at first so I had to clarify it but otherwise it was a good answer I think
abstract wagon
@blazing temple i know its not faang and its not "good" compared to the standards of this discord but its good for a first internship at least ?
humble sparrow
follow up is fine
cyan valley
@abstract wagon First internship at fidelity
Sounds great
With no prev exp, something > nothing
sinful oar
Deloitte is still actively hiring for interns
abstract wagon
With no prev exp, something > nothing
hopefully this experience can set me up for faang
timber sky
A company gave me 1 day to accept offer saying they have more candidates in pipeline and limited space
thick ridge
exploding offer lul
humble sparrow
is fidelity a good company?
Fidelity is decent. Better than a no-name startup at least everyone’s heard of Fidelity before.
drowsy quarry
that sounds like they're asking you to renege
cyan valley
@humble sparrow Fr ^^
timber sky
1 day to accept
yeah
eager valve
i literally cant stop thinking about amazon wtf
timber sky
Bolt SF startup
eager valve
fwiw I did not get optimal solution still got offer
did ur interviewer give u any tips/ help at all with technical? I got optimal solution but I had to get some help which worries me
cyan valley
Jeez these start ups in san fran are nuts
thick ridge
thats pog
abstract wagon
@timber sky wait bolt is such a nut
timber sky
yeah
abstract wagon
bro id take it ngl
humble sparrow
did ur interviewer give u any tips/ help at all with technical? I got optimal so...
yes but I also got a LC Hard. similar to Wildcard Matching.
timber sky
for bolt swe
yeah swe
timber sky
when did you interview btw?
last week
lilac cloak
that moment when the amazon package is 12k a month
full time?
lilac cloak
Fidelity is decent. Better than a no-name startup at least everyone’s heard of F...
agreed; was at fidelity summer 2020
@abstract wagon ^
depends
idk what amazon does externally if you renege
but worst case is reporting to uni
thick ridge
amazon is so huge that it might not matter
abstract wagon
F
lilac cloak
and if it's your last year or you are pretty confident in your abilities it's not really an issue either way
cyan valley
thick ridge
but regardless closing the door on amazon in the future would be tough
cyan valley
this @lilac cloak
lilac cloak
yeah reports say they don't, but i wouldn't count on anecdotal reports
o lol ye
thats bay area standard package
abstract wagon
yeah reports say they don't, but i wouldn't count on anecdotal reports
has fidelity helped u get better offers?
lilac cloak
although i put the wrong year the first time
lilac cloak
has fidelity helped u get better offers?
i'm not internal, but i hope it did
im guessing it's nice to see that i had industry experience somewhere
but yeah like i would hope it did
lilac cloak
this <@!173865891887448064>
also like i would still consider many other companies over amazon
even though amazon significantly ramped up intern pay this summer
lilac cloak
i would prefer a lot of other places full time
but depends on situatoin
maybe the tc is all you care abt idk
cyan valley
^same
lilac cloak
good launching pad for my career so it's w/e'
there are better places, but am very thankful
cyan valley
Ur interning at amazon?
lilac cloak
summer 21
lilac cloak
idk seems kinda random
if i get a good team
i feel like theyre hiring a lot more this year
thick ridge
i think 4k
lilac cloak
someone tossed the number 10k from their recruiter
but sounds sus
last year they had 8k
cyan valley
10k sounds beliveable af
lilac cloak
err, summer 8k
cyan valley
esp if its online
thick ridge
i think 4k in US or seattle alone
abstract wagon
10k interns wtf
lilac cloak
but note that the 8k is between all roles
thick ridge
10k sounds like hella
abstract wagon
what % go new grad
lilac cloak
internal doesnt like releasing this info
thick ridge
they can
lilac cloak
they can
cyan valley
thats 10k x 100k
thick ridge
and then just PIP
cyan valley
Thats
lilac cloak
most people leave to find better pay
abstract wagon
wtf is PIP i heard its career ending @ amazon
thick ridge
1bil is nothing
cyan valley
yh
abstract wagon
performance improvement plan 
cyan valley
thats generally how it is
ionic bronze
what's worse than pip again?
pulsar shadow
wtf is PIP i heard its career ending @ amazon
pip is basically fire you without firing you
abstract wagon
is it an amazon only thing
lilac cloak
you can't fire people without evidence, so pip is a way for them to build up clear evidence so they can fire you
that being said, you still get severance pay or w/e
abstract wagon
thats scummy af
cyan valley
pip????
pulsar shadow
pip install 😎
ionic bronze
there's a thing in amazon that's worse than pip that just means you're blacklisted from the company if you're bad enough
abstract wagon
what if u pass the plan
pulsar shadow
you can't
nova knoll
Lol u don’t
abstract wagon
xDD
nova knoll
Unless u gotta stacks of receipts u not passing
lilac cloak
esp for people early in their career
pulsar shadow
just use pip time to seek out more interviews
abstract wagon
wtf do they have u do under pip
humble sparrow
there's a thing in amazon that's worse than pip that just means you're blacklist...
if you leave on pip or focus (pre-pip) you can’t get re hired without vp appeoval
twilit mesa
pip install offers
drowsy quarry
pip -> your new sprints are leetcode
thick ridge
lol
abstract wagon
i dont wanna work at amazon now
humble sparrow
pip isn’t the worst though you get 3 month salary for severance
some places will just fire you
ionic bronze
^^
nova knoll
Every company has some form of pip it’s usually just not used and Amazon uses it the most is all
ionic bronze
i wonder if snap has any pip
humble sparrow
you can’t get pip or focus first 3 months
abstract wagon
do a large % get pip'd or only those who are ass at their job
lilac cloak
just get pip your first week
basically
drowsy quarry
holdup so if your planning to leave anyways, getting pip is better since you get severance pay???
lilac cloak
well
pulsar shadow
i bet there are implicit pip at other places
ionic bronze
wasn't it the bottom 5%?
lilac cloak
my plan is to stay 4 yrs for rsu, but im also down to get pipped and pivot out in 2 yrs
abstract wagon
wasn't it the bottom 5%?
us
ionic bronze
😦
humble sparrow
and if you’re really shet and you somehow get placed on focus it takes 1-2 months to pip cuz manager has to write a lot of docs
so earliest you can realistically get pip is like 6 months
abstract wagon
then just do your work 4Head no pip
pulsar shadow
manager have a quota to fill and fire
humble sparrow
same w promo everything in amzn your boss has to write like a 10 page document for hr
ionic bronze
sounds toxic
humble sparrow
documenting every little mistake u make all
lilac cloak
idk doesnt seem too bad at new grad level
ionic bronze
"this bitch forgot a semicolon"
lilac cloak
idk what turnover looms like higher up
abstract wagon
thinking you got pip
"ur fired"
o7
humble sparrow
it’s 5% per org per year
lilac cloak
tbf tho the turnover keeps younger engineers on their feet
which is def a good motive for early in career
humble sparrow
so 10% get focus and then half get pip
ionic bronze
idk i'd rather not u kno
lose my job
abstract wagon
so pip is just a warning in advance
pulsar shadow
some turnover rate is good for the company
lilac cloak
if you get into amazon early in your career and lose your job i'd say you're still in a pretty good position
humble sparrow
lol u say that now but if u get stuck on a legacy project like retail with a high ops load
abstract wagon
its actually nice amazon gives u a warning ur getting fired
lilac cloak
get internal referral before the summer
humble sparrow
and then pip becomes political not based on your actual engineering skill
pulsar shadow
easy way into faang, amazon warehouse
humble sparrow
it’s like getting laid off but with 3 months warning
lilac cloak
i'll work at amazon as a package person and say i worked for a faang
mcdonalds cashier; handled transactions for multi-million dollar company
lilac cloak
ionic bronze
i wish i worked at mcdonalds now
ionic bronze
does mcdonalds hire for swe?
lilac cloak
yeah
abstract wagon
id work for walmart
ionic bronze
walmart labs is actually kewl
pulsar shadow
pretty sure any good company need swe these days
thick ridge
bruh are you shitting me
joined my karat interview and they're doing maintainence RN
tf
abstract wagon
if i tell people i work at walmart they probably think something else
ionic bronze
yeah i've always wanted to work for mcdonalds
whataburger
walmart
as like a high level swe
just to troll people
abstract wagon
whataburger has swe
ionic bronze
pog
twilit mesa
nice
torn dagger
phub only accepts bitcoin now dont they
abstract wagon
😈
twilit mesa
what
humble sparrow
walmart labs is solid you actually get stonks and typical sv pay
pulsar shadow
phub actually have really nice innovations in the video streaming space
humble sparrow
lol pornhub you work for their holding company it has some generic name
humble sparrow
heard it’s literally the same as any other front end job
lilac cloak
lol pornhub you work for their holding company it has some generic name
mindlabs iirc but everyone in canado knows
humble sparrow
minus stonks
abstract wagon
dont they use PHp
lilac cloak
yeah php
cyan valley
lol
my friend
works at amazon wherehouse
and hes tryin to get intern at amazon this summer
and thinks his manager = referral @ corporate
💀
twilit mesa
ew php
ionic bronze
loool
lilac cloak
brb applying to amzn warehouse rn to get internal referral before the summer
humble sparrow
sound like a good way to get pip
ionic bronze
same
abstract wagon
humble sparrow
if you’re manager thinks you want to transfer they can put you on focus because then you need vp approval to transfer
ionic bronze
bro i wanna be a discord mod
abstract wagon
my friend knows someone who works at MSFT and thinks a referral = job
cyan valley
brb applying to work as a apple employee
humble sparrow
and then if you get focus 50-50 chance of pip
wise mesa
Lmao
cyan valley
asks manager for swe referral 🤣
lilac cloak
my friend knows someone who works at MSFT and thinks a referral = job
bro dont you know after you get a bachelor's in cs companies beg you to work for them