Also hello fellow kirby
#2021_summer
low epoch
dapper shard
honestly yes
abstract wagon
kirby gang where at?
still gazelle
i think CTCI was a waste of money for me
abstract wagon
its outdated
dapper shard
id rather just bang my head against leetcode until it sticks. and i despise leetcode\
vivid lintel
There is some value in studying data structures and their uses in depth before tackling LC, but I don't think CTCI is a good fit for that. Something more like CLRS would be better for that.
Wow I can't type
vivid lintel
Yea I haven't used it personally
low epoch
There’s just so many amazing youtube vids at this point that i feel i’m better off with peepo approach
Bang head
still gazelle
yup
low epoch
Bang head. No solutions. Read and watch vid. Find solution. Do again without looking at solution
still gazelle
do the problem once and fail -> look at solution -> try to redo the problem a day later -> rinse and repeat until u learned it
yee
vivid lintel
do the problem once and fail -> look at solution -> try to redo the problem a da...
Add spaced repetition and you're set
still gazelle
you should
still gazelle
Do the problem u solved a day, week, and month after
low epoch
Sounds good boutta start a spreadsheet
abstract wagon
email it o7
silk ridge
you can get a tracker and check if they open it 
cyan valley
@silk ridge ...wat
Like is this email legit
This was sent in July
to my friend
Links lead to this https://careers.google.com/students/
abstract wagon
mald legend
abstract wagon
cus not everyone gets it 
terse torrent
i want to close it
everyone does lmao what
"bare minimum req for our app"
i dont know how they filter
cuz i can bet u most ppl arent getting that lc hard lmaoo
im about to submit this
abstract wagon
T_T
abstract wagon
soft ocean
would you guys cancel an interview or bomb it if you've already accepted an offer
abstract wagon
wth dude im a kirby
abstract wagon
how many u done?
oh i see
im only at 740
nothing else to do
its this or codeforces
barren night
How long have you guys been doing lc for to get that many?
abstract wagon
i hate league
40 min games just to lose
ive been doing them for 3 yrs but ive been on and off
abstract wagon
if we lose first blood or red i /remake
terse torrent
i hard coded 4 cases
terse torrent
i coded up a concept i think is related to it
nah its a lc hard
i have a long time away from there
abstract wagon
how many lc hards u done
terse torrent
bro
abstract wagon
ive only done roughly 100
terse torrent
2
lru cache and trapping rain water and find min in sorted array 2
the middle one was the only "hard" one
abstract wagon
open ubuntu
git gud
soft hazel
LC difficulties wack
abstract wagon
most are on point
terse torrent
idk ithink lru caceh isnt even that good
abstract wagon
but some are lc meds imo
abstract wagon
i think its because people suck dick at dp
for w/e reason
ask them 0/1 knapsack they gonna faint
barren night
I can do most medium dp but hard i find rlly difficult, like the dungeon one and cherry pickup
Dont rlly understand
abstract wagon
cherry pickup is retarded tbf
yeah LOL
during an interview if you get cherry pickup just blink twice to show you need help
barren night
When i first tried it i did the greedy solution that’s wrong, then I looked at the acutal solution and i was so confused lol
haha
barren night
I’m too easy to convince lol, need to start planning more before i code
abstract wagon
even lc meds in 30 kinda tight
cus a lot of it is just talking
actual coding maybe 15-20 mins
obtuse otter
i feel like lc med in 30 is alright
45 is a bit too much time tho
when people say tell the interviewer if uve seen a problem before i face palm
like imagine u tell the interviewer you've seen a problem before and then get a hard lc hard
-_-
terse torrent
👀
tacit marsh
lmao wtf
was not expecting to get an offer from tiktok they worded the email like it was HR interviews
terse torrent
congrats bro
abstract wagon
@tacit marsh can i ask which team?
tacit marsh
product
abstract wagon
bet ty
soft hound
whend u interview and do oa @tacit marsh
tacit marsh
whend u interview and do oa <@230790009945325568>
oa nov first interview right after christmas
frozen palm
like imagine u tell the interviewer you've seen a problem before and then get a ...
facts like how hard is it to still go through the steps of figuring it out for the interviewer
like seeing it before is just knowing which approach to take anyways
spare patio
did anyone else hear back from yext this week to schedule interview
it's so late that i think someone prob reneged them lmao
sinful tinsel
i like reading but ctci was a waste for ds&a
How?
tacit marsh
ctci is good but the problems are trash just read the sections then do problems on leetcode
abstract wagon
leetcode + epi
abstract wagon
elements of programming interviews
tacit marsh
the BUD stuff and problem solving steps really helped me in CTCI
sinful tinsel
Tbh same with me
tacit marsh
epi problems are on leetcode too
sinful tinsel
I’ll check it out
abstract wagon
the code is fine imo but i use c++ so idk
tacit marsh
i really liked ctci sections cuz i didn't even take DS class yet when I was studying for interviews
just hleped me know which concepts to know
abstract wagon
i really liked ctci sections cuz i didn't even take DS class yet when I was stud...
yeah its good if u havent taken ds yet
i just assumed most people here have taken it
the c++ one is fine
python one liners suck balls
its not readable though
sinful tinsel
the code is fine imo but i use c++ so idk
How well ru coping with c++ in coding interviews btw? People always use python, but I feel like c++ is a google language since it’s more complete even tho it’s harder
abstract wagon
i do fine with c++ in coding interviews
i rarely use python
only if I need to do parsing or a lot string stuff
sinful tinsel
Ic
abstract wagon
like how is heapq a lot better than priorityqueue in cpp
tacit marsh
you just don't have to type int a billion times in python
abstract wagon
yeah thats fair
tacit marsh
and semicolons
abstract wagon
im just saying c++ has libraries too
and other major languages
some stuff like zip and bisect are pretty python exclusive iirc but in most interviews its not a huge diff
its hard to debug imo
having types makes it so much easier
yea but for interviews ur rarely working with ptrs anyways
just use a unique ptr if u have to
na interviews
i think its easier to debug with c++
and static typed languages in general
i use both but more cpp
python is better for parsing and string stuff i agree
i like it :^)
no point knowing many languages tbh
just know one extremely well
i got through a python interview by crash coursing the night before lol 😂
narrow patrol
curious why are u amazon simp 😂
abstract wagon
web dev is used for tons of stuff
visualizations
data analyticd
web
i meant python not web dev whoops
GUIs i guess lol
low epoch
python is used for making python libraries
just kidding
everything under the hood is cpp
abstract wagon
tkinter makes it really easy
c++ you have to use like qt or smth
mad fucking annoying
i kind of want to learn Golang though
I think it's the language of the future
little documentation
enough to make things work
vivid lintel
with smart pointers it kinda does tho
abstract wagon
if tiktok can let me do fall its gonna be in go
knowing cpp is so good though
even if its for boomers
work w da boomers at hrt 😂😂
vivid lintel
if you know cpp then everything else is cake lol
abstract wagon
^
abstract wagon
it was pretty easy for me to pick up python and javascript
why
well you dont have to learn node
just like how python u dont have to learn pandas
vivid lintel
I mean if you're gonna use the defacto web language for web dev then yes you gotta learn core web concepts
lol
abstract wagon
yeah lol
i think react is fine
made me appreciate web dev a bit
no clue i dont do enough web dev to know
still gazelle
well the backend is
cobalt roost
Is it just me or is microsofts career page just dying on me? https://careers.microsoft.com/us/en/
ionic bronze
it dies a lot sometimes
cobalt roost
Huh. That's pretty weird. You'd think they'd be able to handle the load
dapper shard
why can't webdev be in python
In the words of Joey “it’s easier to hire one js dev rather than a js dev and a python dev”
ionic bronze
shrewd karma
i wonder if you can setup flask with mongo or psql
you can! I did so with Mongo Atlas
abstract wagon
has anyone here interned for T-Mobile before?
cyan valley
@abstract wagon Did they respond 2u?
abstract wagon
@cyan valley yeah
I have to attend a open house thing in a few days but i'm pretty much in, they send out offers a week after the open house
No final interview this year, I was talking to the recruiter on the phone and she was telling me they decided not to do a person-to-person interview, so it was just 2 coding questions and then video response questions from the assessment
cyan valley
Dang was there a phone round?
abstract wagon
Nope
Just the assessments
And the video response questions which were included in the assessment, basic questions like how you solved a conflict or something you made that you're proud of etc etc
I got off lucky lol
Probably would've shat myself on the final interview round
abstract wagon
dangg rip
cyan valley
or i didnt apply
one or the other
ik i applied to verizon
do u have link to application
abstract wagon
I was debating on whether or not i should accept any other companies if they offer
The application is closed now i believe
Let me check though
cyan valley
ahh I c
abstract wagon
Okay TMO website is buggin out right now i think they're doing maintenance or something
Okay yeah it's gone, i applied in october
But yeah just wondering if anyone here has completed a T-Mobile internship before
ripe yew
I was debating on whether or not i should accept any other companies if they off...
hey, do you think it is too late to apply t-mobile. I'm freshman btw
still gazelle
@ripe yew if its open just apply
it takes like 2-3 mins max. u got nothing to lose but everything to gain
karmic fog
for (auto num: nums)
abstract wagon
c++ actually superior in this aspect
c++ for is what it's supposed to be
python for is more like for_each
for i in range (x,y,z) 🤢
abstract wagon
depends on what you wanna do
theres no real right/wrong
like if you need to modify the num then youd probably need &
karmic fog
yeah but if you do auto& you also have to dereference the number every time u use it
abstract wagon
no u dont?
abstract wagon
oh isee what u mean
like an implicit dereference right
it's don't think it's a huge deal
karmic fog
yeah i dont mean like *x, i mean that the compiler will generate it implciitly
i think it can be pretty big in terms of certain algorithms
like i bet on leetcode if you wanted to get >90%ile you need to do no &
abstract wagon
have you actually tried benchmarking
karmic fog
i was gonna do that rn
abstract wagon
auto makes a local copy idk how much better that is
oh great
im interested in this too
dapper shard
this is too giga brain for me
abstract wagon
also this is a small detail but if you do use auto instead of auto& then how would you change its value assuming you had to?
still gazelle
this is too giga brain for me
quant firms are salvitating at their brain rn
thick ridge
is the implicit dereference more expensive than the shallow copy when using no & tho is what I don't know
abstract wagon
i think it actually is
specifically for ints and small data types
i just dont know how much more expensive it is/ if we should care that much
dapper shard
in terms of space with copies and whatnot
honestly i don't think it would matter that much unless you are doing low latency work
but also for this to be C++ talk, i would assume the position that you are doing is wanting low latency optimizations, so i would assume that you probably would want to avoid making a copy if at all possible
abstract wagon
is auto actually worse for space though
its gonna go out of scope
and get removed
thick ridge
yup but the question still stands with using a reference or not
abstract wagon
i just dont think the benefit in terms of time is THAT much better
thick ridge
if it's obj& vs obj
dapper shard
it would depend on the computation you are trying to do i think
like the algorithm itself
thick ridge
no idts
abstract wagon
i think you would use auto without reference if
- you will not be changing the object's value
and - if said object is small (int,char)..
thick ridge
right
but in the case that you don't necessarily need a reference to the object
is the copy constructor less expensive than implicit dereferencing
thick ridge
^
karmic fog
hmm im not so sure i trust this perfbench.com site cuz there's a ton of noise in wahtever theyre using to profile these, one of the runs of a loop randomly took 10x longer than the other ones lmao
ok yeah this website is flawed
the order of the benchmarks effects the runs
i flipped the order of the loops and it reversed the results
thick ridge
oh yikes lmao
abstract wagon
lol
dapper shard
thick ridge
have u tried quick-bench.com
karmic fog
it seems like there's no statistically significant diff on -O2
quick-bench was down before
when i tried
still gazelle
yo quick poll. what language do yall use for interviews
karmic fog
oh it's back now
abstract wagon
C++, occasional python
still gazelle
thats what im thinking the chad strat is
c++ and python is just a great pair of languages
yin and yang
still gazelle
i wanna use it more but i havent learned enough
like for python, it takes 2 mins to learn how to use a set
abstract wagon
i said this yesterday but imo the language you use doesn't really matter
for most cases
dapper shard
lmao all the different maps and sets in C++
still gazelle
yee its more about how u think bout it
dapper shard
i haven't worked in C++ in like a year now. ive pretty much forgotten it 
it was the only development language i knew. now i only know python and ive never developed anything in it. i only know it well enough for interviews
dapper shard
i just google everything tbh
still gazelle
^
dapper shard
don't really know anything off the top of my head
still gazelle
whenever im making my projects it feelsl ike im putting shit together
than actually coding
like no way in hell im writing all my code(unless its for school)
dapper shard
^
when i did jpmc hackathon i legit just followed youtube videos and pulled stuff off the internet since it was my first time doing web dev
got an offer though so i guess that is good enough
karmic fog
it seems like for the simplest possible case (just using the loop var once) it has no diff as long as optimizations are enabled
abstract wagon
good job doggo
karmic fog
it does seem like the compiler can pretty reasonably infer that you don't need to add the ref
i wonder if there's cases where that's not possible but i dont realy feel like looking for them
but that's pretty interesting. i'd say you're probably correct that it's better to just use const auto&
abstract wagon
auto is fine too, theres other benefits
karmic fog
well ye if u need to copy then auto ofc
abstract wagon
because it doesnt reference to anything you for sure will not be touching the stuff
karmic fog
but for a generic for each loop it seems const auto& works
abstract wagon
versus const auto& u can still remove the const
karmic fog
ig
abstract wagon
even though it's not good practice
karmic fog
yeah
karmic fog
lool
dapper shard
lol
karmic fog
that makes me wonder if it's best to just pass all params as const T&
like obv for structs/classes that's the move
but for ints it seems like it's not gonna hurt either
or const T&&
thick ridge
ah ok
dapper shard
im just fairly proficient in using stl
STL op
keen birch
that makes me wonder if it's best to just pass all params as const T&
i believe for ints it’s better to pass by value since a reference is 8 bytes and ints are 4 bytes (on 64 bit architecture)
still gazelle
yo guys do yalls projects get scraped using https://itsjafer.com/#/parser
thick ridge
my resume parses like shit and i just don't bother fixing it lol
karmic fog
i believe for ints it’s better to pass by value since a reference is 8 bytes and...
yeah I was thinking this but wasn't sure, if it's just your code rather than a separate lib that gets linked it seems like it'll prob get optimized out
karmic fog
yo guys do yalls projects get scraped using https://itsjafer.com/#/parser
decently well there's 1-2 mistakes tho
still gazelle
yo dawg u mind dming me ur resume format
im gonna redo my resume
hopfully that hoe gets parsed more easily
karmic fog
oh my template is almost the exact same as his
karmic fog
.
abstract wagon
parses my experience well
karmic fog
.
abstract wagon
wth only says im entry level 
dapper shard
lmaoo
still gazelle
im just gonna use this then
dapper shard
it says im lower-to-mid level
karmic fog
fucked up my major
yeah my major is wrong other stuff is ok
thick ridge
yeah ohad I use that one it gets butchered
abstract wagon
its probably bcz i made this resume myself
thick ridge
it groups my experiences together into 1 lol
abstract wagon
oh i also format my resume weird
and im a dual major
might be why shits getting fucked left and right
abstract wagon
ye if this shit was what machines or recruiters saw i probably would get 0 interviews
thick ridge
lmao
dapper shard
recruiters personally ask me for my resume anyway so who cares 😎
thick ridge
I wanted to use a 2col so bad but my university name is so long that it doesnt fit on one of the columns
abstract wagon
i might try a 2col
the only thing i dont like about templates is that everyone uses them
makes me look like afollower
thick ridge
the only thing i dont like about templates is that everyone uses them
try templates on figma
they're less used
and easier to customize
karmic fog
how do u edit those templates
vivid lintel
I wouldn't worry much about parsing tbh
karmic fog
r they html
abstract wagon
i usually use overleaf templates
vivid lintel
In a yt video, Amy Miller (former Google recruiter) said all resumes eventually get seen by a human
thick ridge
how do u edit those templates
wdym u just move shit around like a power point lol
vivid lintel
The ATS is just like a content management system that is specialized for resumes
And job apps
karmic fog
on fugma?
thick ridge
ligma
low epoch
2sigma
abstract wagon
fugma 
thick ridge
yeah lol u can just drag and type and stuff
karmic fog
interesting
thick ridge
the controls aren't as succinct as latex but still reasonable
viral fable
every time i have to manually input my experiences for workday applications i think abt redoing my resume to make it more parse-able
low epoch
I put a few completed courses
thick ridge
yeah I put important courses but not a lot
low epoch
I’ve noticed hyphens fuck up my parsing for work experience
abstract wagon
how do you layout the courses
thick ridge
mine looks stupid af
abstract wagon
ok mine too
thick ridge
just like a list
low epoch
Completed coursework: philosophy of life, philosophy of monkeys, etc
low epoch
No special formatting
thick ridge
yeah lol but no chance I'm using a sep row for each course
thick ridge
nah but I feel like its useful if someone from your school is looking at ur resume
cuz i've noticed in big companies that's not super uncommon
thick ridge
lol
viral fable
hella ppl use it tho
is that a bad thing?
vivid lintel
2cols look so nutty
I think joey posted his resume in the resume channel at some point. It was a 2col format and one that actually made sense.
thick ridge
idk maybe its just me but seems like there's not much visual difference
abstract wagon
mines super basic 😭
abstract wagon
oh its nice
thick ridge
yeah agreed
but one qualm i have with figma is that editing sections can get annoying
whereas latex templates are p easy to move around and resize
abstract wagon
can u design your own resume on figma
thick ridge
lol good luck
vivid lintel
you can make a nice UI in word/gdocs too, just need to get creative
abstract wagon
i used to be the guy taking food pics on insta, cant be too hard 😎
vivid lintel
I can post my resume here for a hot second if you want inspiration @abstract wagon
thick ridge
don't mess up
abstract wagon
yes pls
vivid lintel
gdocs
thick ridge
yo that shit looks fire
viral fable
eat a banana
abstract wagon
had no idea you could do that in gdoc LOL
vivid lintel
yea just need to get creative
but also LOL I did this after accepting a FT offer
because I was bored
abstract wagon
oh ur new grad?
viral fable
wait @vivid lintel i’m curious now, can i take a look?
abstract wagon
i keep forgetting
vivid lintel
yea I graduated last semester
vivid lintel
wait <@!236450324632698881> i’m curious now, can i take a look?
I'll dm you
I start work tmrw 😬
kinda scared ngl
viral fable
wowow i like the aesthetic
thick ridge
@vivid lintel ur resume gives me retro mechanical keyboard vibes
if that makes any sense
abstract wagon
wait did you use google fonts
viral fable
it kinda reminds me of mayuko’s resume which is themed like XCode since she’s an ios dev
vivid lintel
wait did you use google fonts
yea, it's IBM Plex Mono iirc
abstract wagon
oo
vivid lintel
if that makes any sense
yea! now that you mention it, I see it lol
viral fable
did u feel more comfortable making a more ‘creative’ resume after going fulltime
vivid lintel
honestly yea because I didn't give a shit about parsing anymore lol
viral fable
for internships i always hear mixed things from recruiters where they’re like “oh traditional companies like in finance would probably prefer more traditional resumes blah blah blah”
vivid lintel
and hopefully I can secure future jobs mostly through connections instead of having to cold apply
abstract wagon
for internships i always hear mixed things from recruiters where they’re like “o...
yeah i had good feedback on my resume because it was boomer as hell
but i dont like looking at it
viral fable
ok i’ll continue having a boring resume for now ;-;
vivid lintel
for internships i always hear mixed things from recruiters where they’re like “o...
mm yea I feel like that could be true
vivid lintel
definitely depends on the company though
abstract wagon
make a spotify themed resume for spotify 
vivid lintel
I think "younger" tech companies wouldn't mind seeing fancier resumes
like joey put "corgi lover" in the headline on his resume lol
viral fable
i wonder if those spotify simps on linkedin got interviews
abstract wagon
probably did
viral fable
“i love spotify so i made a spotify themed portfolio”
abstract wagon
I'll likely have two copies of my resume
one for older companies and one for unicorns
viral fable
oooh that’s a good idea
vivid lintel
yea that's a good idea
some people also have like one nice resume for career fairs or networking events, and a plainer one that parses well for online apps
abstract wagon
i have three right now
viral fable
some people say to make a customized resume for every company 🥴
abstract wagon
one for more hardware focused, one for quant, one for regular swe
thick ridge
i have this ^
abstract wagon
So i have been contacted by FB for enterprise engineer intern some time ago
thick ridge
like diff resumes for diff experiences based on the company
abstract wagon
Then I was contacted by FB for software engineer internship
Now I have received a rejection for enterprise engineer intern Without interviewing. Do you think they have just moved me to the major pipeline
viral fable
something similar happened to me too, ig my resume keeps moving around FB, for production engineer->data engineering->data science
abstract wagon
The second recruiter add also the other one on the new mail
viral fable
i keep getting rejected tho
abstract wagon
LMAO
I am with you
m2 bois
Enterprise engineer is just the tier 2
except never got reached out to
silk ridge
i think they moved my resume to the trash
abstract wagon
I think it should be a good thing
viral fable
I think it should be a good thing
what is?
abstract wagon
From enterprise to software eng
vivid lintel
i think they moved my resume to the trash
isn't there some meme of recruiters throwing half of all resumes into the trash and being like "I don't want to hire unlucky people"
lol
abstract wagon
Usually they give you enterprise if you are not good enough for SWE
viral fable
what does enterprise do?
abstract wagon
isn't there some meme of recruiters throwing half of all resumes into the trash ...
I think it's a good thing. I don't want unlucky people on my team
they get the coffee
abstract wagon
what does enterprise do?
Internal software
Like the cafeteria menu
It's glorified IT
viral fable
interesting
abstract wagon
No seriously it depends from the org
Some teams actually do good stuff
But it's definitely tier 2 lmao
I have talked with a SWE at FB and he didn't know about them. Probably they have offices near laundry room
vivid lintel
I have talked with a SWE at FB and he didn't know about them. Probably they have...
jokes on him, he has to walk extra to drop off laundry
humble pendant
ooo yeah FB has a internal wiki - someone gotta maintain that
thick ridge
are ppl working today? emailed a recruiter and forgot it was mlk day
vivid lintel
I think most people aren't working today
low epoch
National holiday
simple saffron
yeah even the markets are closed
low epoch
Still got rejection email last night after midnight tho
flat vine
my recruiter still handed me the L today, on MLK day
low epoch
DAMN
spare monolith
oof
simple saffron
smh
low epoch
Hello darkness my old friend
restive falcon
gl
mossy swan
@abstract wagon gl
thick ridge
also question, reached out to someone on linkedin a while back and got a response, and now waiting on them
is a weeks notice good to ping them again?
or should I wait longer cuz its linkedin dm
dapper shard
i guess i am a wage slave
i just preparing my heart for this twitter resume rejection
but i like twitter.....
pliant hawk
dont give me hope - Hawkeye 
flat vine
heres a theory everyone who got the email is getting an L, if they wanted to interview us they would have done so months ago
dapper shard
from conferences
dapper shard
only one person in this server has gotten an offer from twitter
and she got it from ghc
that was in october
pliant hawk
twitter hq in sf too 
dapper shard
twitter has new grad remote
pliant hawk
low epoch
Hello, big tech wageslave here with another vid on how to live minimalist. I own nothing except a mattress, a fridge and 5 macbooks. Please like and subscribe
A lot of ppl in da comments have been asking me how to get into twitter. Anyways please follow me on Blind
viral fable
but i like twitter.....
didn’t u get interview?
dapper shard
didn’t u get interview?
and then i got that email that everyone else got saying ill be updated in a week
i can't get in touch with a recruiter
so idk if i get the rejection if i would still get to do the program
viral fable
😳
finite snow
who is ur recruitor peepo, mine replies quite often to me
viral fable
did the first email specify anything abt scheduling an interview time
dapper shard
i wish i had one
low epoch
Oh cuz the program is “technically” an internship right?
dapper shard
the program isn't an internship necessarily
but you get to interview for internship opportunities if you are a selected participant
low epoch
Yeah dawg try and hit up a human
viral fable
er first flight
dapper shard
who is ur recruitor peepo, mine replies quite often to me
i only have "maybe" an email that would be the diversity recruiter for them. but otherwise i don't have one. can you dm?
yeah first flight
finite snow
ya my guy is lejorne and i email him every so often to ask if they gonna do fall and he keeps saying no 🙂
lolol
dm me
low epoch
Smh all these tech companies naming programs after flights and projectiles
Amazon leap, propel, yeet
nova knoll
ya my guy is lejorne and i email him every so often to ask if they gonna do fall...
I think he just recently left Twitter
finite snow
no way, its like the gods dont want peepo to get in
i just dm'ed him his email hahaha
nova knoll
Fr just follow and DM recruiters on Twitter probs respond quicker tbh
nova knoll
Lowkey not they open to that I follow 2-3 of them
nova knoll
Lol yeah fr most of them pretty active as well
vivid lintel
is sliding into DMs the new cold emailing
narrow patrol
i dont even have twitter
dapper shard
you have 20 offers instead 🙂
tacit halo
Spent all weekend at hackathons to win best domain
Slept for like 14 hours after not getting any sleep at all for two days
Yeah, this was like the first time I actually won anything. It was sbhacks
Apparently I won a backpack
At least it’s something
Not as good as the $5k cash prize
I was in the market for a new backpack anyways
Nice to have the winner badge on devpost tho
pliant hawk
tacit halo
Wtf. The grand prize winner literally rebuilt GitHub.
pliant hawk
In a weekend? Wtf
tacit halo
Yeah
formal finch
Would it be rude to ask msft recruiter to reconsider me for explore or swe instead of sre?
also can you interview with multiple teams at msft ?
sinful oar
also can you interview with multiple teams at msft ?
not sure if you can interview with multiple at once but it doesn’t hurt to ask, might be a separate pipeline or recruiter for those roles
formal finch
oh i see. I think you are right because I asked to be considered for explore previously
she sent it to someone
but she also deals with explore tho which doesnt make too much senses tho
formal finch
not sure if you can interview with multiple at once but it doesn’t hurt to ask, ...
how should i write email to ask to be reconsidered for explore after asking already
tacit halo
Never heard anything
formal finch
yes they are still recruiting
i have my interview this fri
also explore isnt done until march
sinful oar
Btw is Microsoft still recruiting?
yes, if you already applied
tacit halo
Yeah I applied like 1.5 months back
sinful oar
how should i write email to ask to be reconsidered for explore after asking alre...
if you already asked, why ask again?
formal finch
if you already asked, why ask again?
i have yet to hear any updates but i guess i just wait it out
wow it's only 300?????
formal finch
i prob send a followup email in a week
tacit halo
Is Microsoft known to recruit late?
Like are they known to extend offers in late winter/early spring (like till March)?
Like other faangs?
Or are they filled up in November?
strange elbow
Is Microsoft known to recruit late?
my recruiter said they’re already done recruiting for summer
vivid lintel
Wtf. The grand prize winner literally rebuilt GitHub.
They prolly started way before the weekend tbh
It's quite common
formal finch
my recruiter said they’re already done recruiting for summer
no way i have interview with them this friday lol, but this is for sre
strange elbow
no way i have interview with them this friday lol, but this is for sre
same
tacit halo
my recruiter said they’re already done recruiting for summer
For all roles?
strange elbow
For all roles?
no just for common ones like pm/swe but I know that some teams are requesting team-specific interns now but they’re moving very quickly
formal finch
i dont like sre. i wanna do more swe/pm stuff. plus, i dont want to make my resume too much on devops
tacit halo
no just for common ones like pm/swe but I know that some teams are requesting te...
What teams are still requesting interns?
Honestly I’d be fine with sre
strange elbow
What teams are still requesting interns?
idk I’m not a recruiter
formal finch
yeah but the only thing is that im def better fit for sre than swe based on my prior experiences
tacit halo
What about google, Facebook, Apple, etc?
formal finch
i guess i should flex my projects more on the recruiter that i can do swe things
@sinful oar should i tell the recruiter that i have pending offer from another company
to expedite the process
dapper shard
idk if msft is one of those places that will expedite
sinful oar
<@!326439272674492420> should i tell the recruiter that i have pending offer fr...
if you do, then yes. i was able to get my interview with msft moved up by a week just by asking
formal finch
i mean they did ask about pending offers when i was setting up my interview
dapper shard
also huge question: on my application to twitter i included my summer offer on my resume because i thought they did off season but they don't.....so what do i do now? cause i don't want to see me openly renege an offer for them
formal finch
if you do, then yes. i was able to get my interview with msft moved up by a week...
thanks for the help!
pliant hawk
When they ask you if you have offers already and you say no but you already accepted an offer. I’m not lying technically :)
dapper shard
actually legit on their application they ask if you have already accepted an offer somewhere
for first flight anyway
abstract wagon
nice job peepo
loud hollow
so peepo r u doing the first flight thing or you’re expecting to get one
abstract wagon
really killed this one
dapper shard
really killed this one
i thought they did off season okay
abstract wagon
@loud hollow did you by any chance choose.... an 8?
loud hollow
abstract wagon
loud hollow
damn this guys good
dapper shard
im expecting because like surely i don't get rejected from a diversity program but also i got that same email that everyone else got about being updated within 7 days. i thought if you applied you would automatically get to do the program
loud hollow
700+ lc putting in work
dapper shard
because "only selected participants will get to interview for internship opportunities"
pliant hawk
I saw that and went ah hell nah
loud hollow
its ok we’ll all hear back soon
twilit mesa
just interview with twitter fuck it
tacit halo
Maybe it’s just an automated email they send to everyone
pliant hawk
LMAO three???
loud hollow
with a mass reject
abstract wagon
pick a card, any card, but they all say rej
loud hollow
LOL
loud hollow
😔😔😔
pliant hawk
Add that rejection pile 112->113
dapper shard
oh i canceled that
dapper shard
my dislike for facebook is so much that i would actually take my full time return offer to jp morgan over facebook
would've been a waste of my time to intern there for fall.
loud hollow
twilit mesa
my dislike for facebook is so much that i would actually take my full time retur...
me with amazon
dapper shard
don't like the location. don't like the company product. don't really care for the company. don't like the work culture there much.
loud hollow
i mean money isn’t everything LOL
dapper shard
i had interview and i canceled it
pliant hawk
What location?
abstract wagon
i mean money isn’t everything LOL
my magic tricks are though
dapper shard
Menlo Park
loud hollow
my magic tricks are though
on god stop being cute imma pm u about magic tricks
pliant hawk
Twitter is like 45 mins from@Menlo Park lmao
dapper shard
i maybe could've gotten Austin full time location but i don't want to live in Austin
twitter has remote option
narrow patrol
^
dapper shard
and their internship is virtual for summer
pliant hawk
Aren’t all internships virtual
dapper shard
bruh idgaf about facebook lmao
pliant hawk
This summer at least*
marsh meadow
what do u like about chase
dapper shard
my interview for facebook was for fall
abstract wagon
yo tell them to interview me
pliant hawk
U coulda done summer and fall sheesh
abstract wagon
@magic kirb
pliant hawk
Either way I woulda done it for the practice to see if you can get an offer.
narrow patrol
my interview for facebook was for fall
narrow patrol
Either way I woulda done it for the practice to see if you can get an offer.
@dapper shard this tbh
dapper shard
more where i prefer to live (ill be closer to family), more rest and vest, really enjoy the work culture ive seen from there, and the full stack work will be fun too.
pliant hawk
Only reason I’m still interviewing even tho I have accepted an offer is for practice
dapper shard
yeah i told them due to circumstances, i won't be able to interview anymore.
i don't even really want to live in austin
marsh meadow
what are you vesting chase doesnt offer stock lol
dapper shard
chase is better for my personal circumstances compared to facebook.
even if they don't offer stock
pliant hawk
Man ppl are built different
dapper shard
the plan though is hoping i get twitter interview and then getting twitter
pliant hawk
Eggs in 1 basket? Monka
dapper shard
if i don't get twitter im done with recruiting season for now and ill just try again for new grad
loud hollow
dapper shard
i want money but i don't want money that much to work at facebook. i would leave after a year or two
im willing to stay at chase for at least 3-5 before i consider leaving
pliant hawk
I jus want a big company on my resume to open doors lmao. What are morals
dapper shard
most people do
abstract wagon
very likely they ipo
loud hollow
i mean the ones that are actively recruiting are most likely gonna ipo
abstract wagon
^
loud hollow
abstract wagon
loud hollow
im p sure the workers there will love to not ipo
narrow patrol
been thinking about this a lot recently though.
tacit halo
It’s just paper money until an ipo
dapper shard
^
narrow patrol
if you join a pre ipo company like 1 year before IPO as a new grad
do you really make that much?
abstract wagon
na
thick shore
do you really make that much?
yes
tacit halo
do you really make that much?
Potentially
narrow patrol
like at most the company might go 2 or 3x current valuation
marsh meadow
no, stake in companies like stripe is not paper money
tacit halo
A lot of the growth happens after the ipo
narrow patrol
i mean im not talking about somewhere like stripe
stripe could 5 or 10x potentially
tacit halo
In the end, that’s how everyone cashed out
The investors need a return
Ipo is one form of exit
It’s worthless to the investors until there’s an exit
narrow patrol
but if the company like does 3x from when you joined, in one year you really only made like 120k in stock?
thick shore
tacit halo
Either they get bought or go public
narrow patrol
(assuming u got 160k over 4 years or smthn)
thick shore
theyre $187 atm lol
tacit halo
All ipos have the potential to drastically increase
Look at snowflake
It’s worth multiples of when it ipod
There’s no reason not to ipo
abstract wagon
gg theyre all ipoing this year
tacit halo
Eventually
narrow patrol
theyre $187 atm lol
so 4x roughly, which means new grad 180k grant turned into ~720k over 4 years, am i understanding that correctly?
thick shore
ya
narrow patrol
which means avg TC over first 4 years is around 300k?
loud hollow
golden handcuffs
tacit halo
Well, the valuation is based on the consensus of the market
narrow patrol
cant sell correct?
tacit halo
Robinhood traders
narrow patrol
since it doesnt vest for 4 years?
thick shore
companies typically dont allow u to sell right when they ipo, usually a 6-12 month window where u cant
narrow patrol
so you wouldnt get the full 720k for a while
tacit halo
Not sure how much influence robinhood traders have
It’s institutions that really move the market
Yes lockup periods are real
dapper shard
lmao otherwise everyone would just be making bank
tacit halo
And they’re for a good reason
dapper shard
and dippin
tacit halo
To prevent insider trading
The ceo is subject to lockup periods as well
Any major shareholder has to announce a stock sale like 6 months ahead of time
And they can only sell small amounts at a time
Otherwise, if they heard some bad news, they could just cash out immediately
And it destroys the market
Insider trading gets u thrown in jail
narrow patrol
over 4 yeras.
ngl, that's less than i would expect given the risk
its about 300k TC first four years
tacit halo
It’s worth 0 until an ipo
narrow patrol
^right so given this risk it isnt that great
marsh meadow
companies like door dash aren't going to just disappear, it's not worth 0
tacit halo
It’s not a 100% guarantee
tacit halo
companies like door dash aren't going to just disappear, it's not worth 0
I was referring to pre ipo
marsh meadow
there are investors that have invested in millions/billions, they are going to get there money back somehow
narrow patrol
Like quant could prob beat 300k annual offers for first 4?
patent sluice
i think the valuations that company are ipoing at this year are somewhat of an anomaly
dapper shard
i think the valuations that company are ipoing at this year are somewhat of an a...
again @ doordash lmao
marsh meadow
that's not relevant to companies like stripe and doordash and airbnb pre ipo
tacit halo
i think the valuations that company are ipoing at this year are somewhat of an a...
I don’t see any of them falling drastically
marsh meadow
they aren't random startups
tacit halo
People are staying at home, so DoorDash has clout
dapper shard
im hoping AFRM holds up tbh
tacit halo
The bull market has been around for 10 years
loud hollow
coinbase is ipo soon i think too
abstract wagon
wont last till we can get in on it lol
loud hollow
and roblox and rh
tacit halo
The market barely cares about profitability
narrow patrol
wont last till we can get in on it lol
yea im worried but i think this is true 😦
tacit halo
Clout >>>>>>>>>> everything
loud hollow
but nah if im going for money im going to fb
narrow patrol
ngl are none of yall scared that all these insane tech salaries is a bubble? i literally feel like this 150k new grad thing cant last forever
tacit halo
But it won’t make u rich
dapper shard
im pretty sure it will get up to 200+
tacit halo
Snowflake engineers who joined a few years ago are all multi millionaires
abstract wagon
ngl are none of yall scared that all these insane tech salaries is a bubble? i l...
its not all companies
dapper shard
ngl are none of yall scared that all these insane tech salaries is a bubble? i l...
no. it will last.
tacit halo
ngl are none of yall scared that all these insane tech salaries is a bubble? i l...
It’s not something to be concerned about
Tech is very stable
narrow patrol
hmmm
tacit halo
It will only keep getting bigger
patent sluice
ngl are none of yall scared that all these insane tech salaries is a bubble? i l...
i've been thinking about this actually
marsh meadow
profitability isn't relevant, growth is. look at amazon
narrow patrol
most of these tech companies are overvalued though..