2021_summer

[pliant hawk]

hungrier prob

[narrow patrol]

agreed some of these ppl really surprise me.

[pliant hawk]

meanwhile me:

[narrow patrol]

hmm that varies

i talked more before i had a good offer

now i dont come on as much

[abstract wagon]

@pliant hawk omg its a little ducky!!!

[terse torrent]

No that is not true

They look for grad date

[narrow patrol]

i did bc i was stressed tf out

i came here to feel even more sad and jealous lmaoo

[neat tiger]

700/day

no fucking way

there is no way

[narrow patrol]

now when i see the salaries im more like meh

[loud hollow]

anyone know if msft does off season

[narrow patrol]

like 100/hr is great but

we are all in the same rat race regardless

none of these comp is life changing compared to the already comfy salaries that we would have got

like, even if you have a 300k quant offer i mean its nice and you feel big baller but

its not much more comfortable than 90k in lcol

[obtuse otter]

five rings has 98 employees on linkedin

[narrow patrol]

you just save more is all

and spend a lil more

[obtuse otter]

how do you even get an interview there?

[narrow patrol]

its still pennies

[terse torrent]

lol

[narrow patrol]

compared to what corporations make

[low epoch]

Does msft do off season?

[terse torrent]

not anymore

[abstract wagon]

msft is big M

[narrow patrol]

no its big M

smh

[terse torrent]

this yr cuz covid

[narrow patrol]

lol why would u even ask that

obv it is lmaoo

[low epoch]

Oh big m wont do off season cuz of covid?

[terse torrent]

neither will google

[narrow patrol]

its literally one of the biggest tech companies by market cap

[terse torrent]

:9

[neat tiger]

anyways applying to five rings. thanks everyone LMFAO

[narrow patrol]

big n just means big tech

msft is obviously a big tech company lol thats not rly a question..

[terse torrent]

does five rings do gpa cutoff

[neat tiger]

im looking at it now. i'll let you know

[terse torrent]

ty

[low epoch]

Does five rings require u to have five fingers

Asking for friend

[narrow patrol]

five rings just means they only recruit from HYPSM duhhh

someone from r/a2c made five rings (answering from friends experience as 5 rings cofounder obviously)

[neat tiger]

yeah it is true. they say "please select your university" and it is all: Harvard, Yale, etc.

[low epoch]

I heard five rings is 5 rounds interviews. Every round u pass u get a ring

[neat tiger]

you can do "other-usa"

lmfao

rip

[narrow patrol]

eh tbh cap 1 is wayyy coooler cap 1 = zoomer haha i heard its fintech and shit

im superr interested in stonks and shit so

cap 1 is the move

[loud hollow]

i havent heard about five rings until this server

just me or

[narrow patrol]

^me above is half of r/csmajor

[pliant hawk]

nah same i haevnt heard of half of these companies

[vivid lintel]

C1 is a bank though?

[narrow patrol]

nah i heard from a friend its fintech

trust me

stonks 🚀

[vivid lintel]

Oh ic

Yea I gotcha

[loud raft]

bro C1 is fintech trust me bro 🚀 they are not a normal bank bro i swear

[obtuse otter]

if u have adhd do u get extra time on interviews ?

[narrow patrol]

C1 is doing some really groundbreaking shit in fintech

[neat tiger]

but living in richmond, va

bye

[loud raft]

Your favorite fintech company may be C1 but mine is two sigma so get destroyed

[neat tiger]

i love TS 😦

[abstract wagon]

wth is two sigma

never heard of them

c1 >>>>

[low epoch]

Tbh if the name has a number in it

Is legit

[narrow patrol]

oh yea for sure

my friend told me once the world finds out

[neat tiger]

Two Sigma is legit so cool and their founders story is awesome.

[narrow patrol]

c1 stonk is up

hehe i was having some fun memeing

[thick ridge]

fuck c1 respectfully

[neat tiger]

Citadel has a better work culture though.

[narrow patrol]

c1 isnt even fintech

lmao

i was memeing

[loud raft]

ITS A JOKE GUYS

neither is 2s

[thick ridge]

its joke

[loud raft]

i thought we were all meming

[thick ridge]

c1 recruiters r goated fr

[loud raft]

[narrow patrol]

c1 is overrated af

ngl

[vivid lintel]

Sometimes I have trouble telling when people in here are memeing or not

[narrow patrol]

sorry underrated

[terse torrent]

c1 ghosted me for ses

[abstract wagon]

i want to kms

[tacit halo]

yes

[narrow patrol]

i mean i heard from a friend that

[loud raft]

@thin scroll is 2s your fav fintech or do you prefer capital1

[narrow patrol]

fintech > tech

[tacit halo]

dont say this

[narrow patrol]

so therefore

c1 > faang

[loud hollow]

there are some c1 interns in here so lets stop the slander

[thick ridge]

capital sugma

[low epoch]

Same

[neat tiger]

wait. can i have a serious answer. do you guys literally just do leetcode everyday for prep?

[tacit halo]

c1 is a great company

[narrow patrol]

nonono

not that

2 1

= 21

[thick ridge]

false

never

[loud hollow]

nah rohanzo is goated

dont disrespect

[narrow patrol]

rohanzo is chad af

he wouldnt go to c1

smh

[loud hollow]

ON GOD

[terse torrent]

rohanzo is pretty chad

[thick ridge]

no pls dont gas me up

[earnest musk]

any blackrockers?

[thick ridge]

no no no

[terse torrent]

[abstract wagon]

rohanzo is chad

[low epoch]

Rohanzo our lord

[narrow patrol]

rohanzo reneged c1

[loud hollow]

POG

[silk ridge]

rohanzo

[low epoch]

Rohanzo loaned me his ferrari

[terse torrent]

damn

[narrow patrol]

dude i heard from a friend rohanzo is tryna buy c1

[abstract wagon]

someone lend me $6 for boba

[low epoch]

Just so i could get to mcdonalds interview

[narrow patrol]

just so he can shut it down

[thick ridge]

lol

[loud hollow]

Rohanzo connected w me on linkedin and i got 20x recruiters on my inbox

[earnest musk]

rohanzo reacted to one of my messages in this discord and now i have qt gf

[narrow patrol]

after rohanzo accepted my discord friend request, rentech recruiter slid in my dms

[thick ridge]

I'm actually getting griefed

[abstract wagon]

after rohanzo replied to one of my messages my tc doubled

[thick ridge]

only 2x?

should be 10x

[narrow patrol]

21x

[thick ridge]

dont type to me if you dont have 1m tc

peasants

[abstract wagon]

hi

-tc: 1mil

[narrow patrol]

i feel empowered that rohanzo doesnt consider me peasant 🙂

my tc is 1 mil . 1

watch and learn folks

[low epoch]

Humans must die to be reborn as gods

[narrow patrol]

this is why you should join cap 1

[thick ridge]

bro u have feelings for c1 still

[low epoch]

Lol c1 friendzoned this mf

[thick ridge]

c1 like the ex u still miss

[low epoch]

“Breakup was mutual”

Can take a while

[abstract wagon]

@arctic basalt na it takes some time

[narrow patrol]

c1 swiped right on rohanzo, and rohanzo ended up cancelling the first date on the day of 💪

[abstract wagon]

yeah dw

if they dont send it within today or early monday follow up

[narrow patrol]

why dont u renege.. lol

[abstract wagon]

i meant monday oops

[stone tiger]

it takes time to create the offer letter sometimes. Some companies have to go through a process

[abstract wagon]

the fukin docusigns/adobe signs

na

[low epoch]

no

[vivid lintel]

Very unlikely

[abstract wagon]

unless ur a criminal

[astral folio]

yo guys quick question

[abstract wagon]

if u r please dont kill me

[astral folio]

whats the best way to tell a company im in good terms w that i found smth in the summer

i interned this fall and said id probably go back in the summer but i found smth

but i wanna keep that bridge open

it was informal

[thick ridge]

there might be a pinned template

[vivid lintel]

The first mistake was saying you'll probably go back

[thick ridge]

oops just check pinned

theres one there

[pliant hawk]

Hello <recruiter>,

Thank you so much for reaching out! I appreciate that you've <considered me / extended me an offer> for <company>'s <position>.

I've decided to pursue other opportunities for next summer <or include the company name if you so desire but this is for if you haven't accepted anything yet>, but I would love to stay in touch for <full time/new grad/more internship> opportunities in the future!

Thank you again for all your help in the recruiting process this year and I hope to talk to you again <soon / next year / insert timeframe here>.

Best,
<your name>

wassnt this the tempalte?

[thick ridge]

yea

[pliant hawk]

i didnt make it

[astral folio]

ok but this is hella informal

[pliant hawk]

i snagged it awhile ago

[astral folio]

like im in the slack w hr guy

[pliant hawk]

just emaiil the hr guy

[thick ridge]

say u wanna explore other ops

but want to keep full time doir open

[astral folio]

i think thats what i was looking for

ig i wanted like an excuse

if that makes sense

and not seem like im just interning at whatever better company i get

like cout chasing

clout

[pliant hawk]

^

[abstract wagon]

just say you're moving on to better things

[astral folio]

ok but i wanna keep the relation lol

wait im not tryna make it sound like im better or anyth

if that makes sense

[abstract wagon]

just say you're notcoming back

[astral folio]

like a cya later

[silk ridge]

gotta use separate messages tho

[abstract wagon]

say alex told u not to go back

[vivid lintel]

"Unfortunately I've found an opportunity that's just too good to pass up. I really enjoyed working with you at [company] and would love to stay in touch going forward."

Or smth like that idk

If your relationship with them really is informal then just be straight up

[low epoch]

Def hiring kumquat to break up with my future ex

[neat tiger]

no GPA cutoff for Five Rings capital

[terse torrent]

ty sir

[acoustic crystal]

ya I just got an email about it. have you?

[pastel bridge]

Yep same

[acoustic crystal]

have you done any take home assessments before? this is my first one and idk what to expect

[pastel bridge]

I did one for C1 summit, its prob a lot lighter than Box's tho since we actually have to present the code.

But basically we just make the project to their specifications (they have test cases i think)

[shrewd karma]

is this Box Shogi?

[stiff vessel]

a lot of their hiring pipeline is specifically from MIT with their winterships

[obtuse otter]

mit kids are living life on easy mode...

[simple saffron]

^^

it makes no sense

im pretty sure that last OA was a scam. aint nobody getting an interview for passing that

[tacit halo]

U can join my hedge fund

I’ll be sure to bring u on board once the initial commitments are finalized

[lethal ore]

I thought twitch oas have no relation with getting the interview

Isn’t it?

[tacit halo]

Some ppl got the interview without doing the oa

[lethal ore]

Yea

So I guess it doesn’t matter too much

[tacit halo]

Would still be wise to do it

[lethal ore]

Yea

[tacit halo]

For twitch I cold emailed an engineer and got a referral

[lethal ore]

I am still gonna do it cuz it’s practice

[obtuse otter]

ez money

[tacit halo]

We’re raising our round right now

And I’m looking for early partners

And once again it was accomplished through cold emailing

[obtuse otter]

who's partnering

[tacit halo]

Some kids at my school who also have parents in the industry

Family friends and my parents

[obtuse otter]

thats ez money

ill actually hop on if it succeeds

[tacit halo]

My fathers old contacts somehow ended up on my phone for some reason

I called every single one

And told them about this

There’s like 1500 contacts here that are from his old phone

So I called up, not even emailed, 1500 people and I got a good amount of interest

In total my team probably reached out to about 4000 people

And this is how we spent our winter break

[obtuse otter]

alex sometimes i think u are trolling but you actually have an insane work ethic

[tacit halo]

I’m just the one who brings everyone together. U guys are smarter than me

[tacit halo]

I’m just very committed

[obtuse otter]

bro i can tell

[tacit halo]

I know how low the success rates are

[obtuse otter]

much props to you man

[tacit halo]

So that’s why I do what I do

Thanks. We’re gonna make 2021 a success!

We really want to invest in robinhood tho before they ipo

It’s not easy to get them on board

We reached out to them and they gave us a no

We’re gonna keep trying tho

[real nacelle]

isnt that not how investing works for pre-ipo

[tacit halo]

Well it must be a fairly large check

The minimums to get onto their cap table are pretty high

And for similar companies

Forgot the exact number but it’s something in the 8 figures I believe

It was either them or another unicorn but I think the minimum investment is $10M

I believe robinhood has lots of potential so that’s why I want to invest

We carefully researched this

They’re growing like crazy

I truly see another snowflake here

[pastel bridge]

yeah I think it was shogi last year. They havent released prompts for this year yet

[real nacelle]

@tacit halo idk like its hard to take this stuff seriously, pretty sure robinhood is pretty easy accessible from equityzen or sharespost if you actually have backing for a fund

idk lmao

[tacit halo]

I don’t like equityzen. Plus the amounts we’re looking at are too large for equityzen

[hallow prism]

Is there any benefit of returning to intern @ the same company if you're not trying to fulltime there

[tacit halo]

And I source each investment from investors individually. I tell them why robinhood is the future and then create an spv.

Equityzen is more for individual retail investors.

[abstract wagon]

if you enjoy the work enough

[tacit halo]

Yeah probably the only benefit

Other than possible negotiating power

[thick ridge]

if u want bread

[abstract wagon]

hes not planning on ft though

so bread is like $5 extra per hour

maybe not even that

[thick ridge]

i mean if you don't wanna ft anywhere that you have intern offers

[tacit halo]

This as well

[thick ridge]

I'd just go for bread

[tacit halo]

Maybe they’ll give u a raise

[abstract wagon]

o gotcha

[tacit halo]

An extra $5 per hour isn’t small

That’s $10k prorated extra

[thick ridge]

I've heard of people bargaining their way to like L61 or whatever it is at msft because of multiple internships there

[tacit halo]

For many ppl that’s 6 months of salary

[thick ridge]

like the level above entry

[tacit halo]

Is l61 senior?

[thick ridge]

no

i think L59 is entry

could be wrong tho

[pulsar shadow]

why does mf have 59 levels

[tacit halo]

Would u say it’s rare?

[thick ridge]

no idea

most things are probably rare

like, in terms of bargaining a higher offer

[stiff vessel]

no undergrad new grad will be l61 at msft

but they can get l60

altho l59 is normal

[hallow prism]

Too bad it's not msft, and it's amazon

no negotiation, no bargaining 😄

[stiff vessel]

i think(?) amazon offers higher pay for return interns

[abstract wagon]

just work for extra money i guess

and experience

[hallow prism]

nope

I got the same offer as my some of my friends

I guess though thanks, hopefully that extra experience yields me smth when I search for ft

😄

[tardy minnow]

anyone get an offer from Zebra Technologies? Literally did the final in November and they said they wouldn’t send out offers until Mid-late January

[patent sluice]

real question

what do you see as their competitive moat

seeing how most other brokers moved commission free

[tacit halo]

For me it’s the democratization of investing.

This is what’s given them their numbers

[abstract wagon]

^

[tacit halo]

It allows retail investors to easily buy lucrative stocks and get the data in real time

[patent sluice]

Actually nvm continue

[tacit halo]

Also I think it’s just the established user base

The number of users they have

[patent sluice]

Yeah they make a lot by selling order flow I think

[tacit halo]

So many people are using robinhood and that a lone is a big deal

It is commission free

[abstract wagon]

also i dont recall it being real time

[tacit halo]

I do have a few ethical issues with it though that may be holding me back

Too many people are flat out losing money on robinhood

And something needs to be done about this

[patent sluice]

Do you think robinhood is going to be able to retain their user base though?

[abstract wagon]

they won't

[patent sluice]

Seeing as a lot of more serious investors see their app as lackluster

[abstract wagon]

serious ones go td ameritrade or something similr

actual real time and more data

[tacit halo]

Retail investors likely

Big investors probably not

[abstract wagon]

retail are going to go wherever offers more free stock

webull the wave 🌊

[patent sluice]

Imo the biggest advantage that robinhood has over the competitors is the number of bells and whistles it has in its app. gamification of investing. you get confetti when you get paid dividends lol. Compare that to thinkorswim's mobile app which I use

idk if that's enough for the long term though.

[abstract wagon]

i like thinkorswim though

has what i need

[patent sluice]

yea thinkorswim is nice just not very child friendly

[tacit halo]

That’s one of the biggest benefits

[patent sluice]

But yeah I'm just picking your brain alex

[tacit halo]

Children shouldn’t be on robinhood

[patent sluice]

Oh I was joking

[abstract wagon]

wait i am curious too

why do you think robinhood is a good investment

[tacit halo]

Good short term investment

[patent sluice]

True

[tacit halo]

Because of its clout there will likely be a pretty big surge in the stock after the ipo

Then I’d just exit the position immediately

[patent sluice]

Robinhood benefits from retail investors mainly

[tacit halo]

It wouldn’t be a long term investment

[patent sluice]

Since we're in a historic bull market, hella heads with 0 investing exp are gonna flock to robinhood

Alex are you in #stonks

[abstract wagon]

i invested a lot in 2014

im like few 100% up

[abstract wagon]

14

[nova inlet]

You had money to invest at 14? did you freelance

[abstract wagon]

i tutored at insane rates

and resold shoes and other desirables

mostly blue chip

big n

the other freshman thought i was wasting money gambling

little did these bitches know

yeah i got in on doordash ipo

tesla amd 🚀 too

[obtuse otter]

bro

how much did u put in vs have now

[abstract wagon]

when

back in 2014?

[obtuse otter]

ye

what has like the return on ur investment been

[abstract wagon]

about 10k and ~45k

[obtuse otter]

CAN I HOLD A DOLLAR

[abstract wagon]

LOL

ive made more than 45k

thats just what i made from 2014

investments

na all time im probably cracked

yeah

im a bit of a gambler but

made mostly smart safish moves

not a full bull

i made calls on tesla

fucking knew it would blow up

id say one of my longer ones

i thought it would drop after some point

mistakes were made

yeah i couldnt believe it

draw that shit out while you can 😂

gold 🚀

everything else ⏬

[cyan valley]

How do u go about

solving lc hard's

Im out here struggling 💀

Yeah im trying to practice DP

but like

Im stupid or something

How do u approach them

[formal finch]

Can you interview for two roles at Msft ?

[abstract wagon]

^

helps if u understand recursion well

before approaching dp

[cyan valley]

@fast dagger Ok ty

[runic tinsel]

my professor is a VP at palo alto networks and he told our class that if we are looking for internships then we should email him. I was wondering, how soon should I email him?

[abstract wagon]

right now

[pulsar shadow]

now

[shrewd karma]

next year

[lethal ore]

Last year

[acoustic crystal]

ohhh I see ok thanks!!

[tacit halo]

I’m doing 3 hackathons this weekend plus two fellowship things due tonight

So yeah it’s quite bad

[tacit halo]

gets to the point where i literally have to sen apology emails for turning in things 15 minutes late

[still gazelle]

bro why do 3 hackathons in one weekend?

just do one lol

[tacit halo]

I’m on 5 different teams. But for me it’s mostly a way to network

And get some prizes under my belt

I usually just PM for each project and integrate some type of sponsor API and data science pipeline. I always find ppl to do the full stack dev for me

U don’t need to do leetcode everyday

Elon musk probably doesn’t do leetcode

Hackathons get me CNN articles

[still gazelle]

i feel like you dont understand that this is a cs careers server, not an entrepreneur/startup server

people arent trying to be elon musk

theyre trying to get faangmula offers

and leetcode will help them to do that

[tacit halo]

Well, the feel I’ve gotten from this server is that faangmula pay isn’t “good enough”

And blind as well

That everyone here wants to make $10M a year rather than $400k

[still gazelle]

huh

where did u get that

[tacit halo]

That’s the impression I got after seeing so many ppl scoffing at 6 figure salaries

[still gazelle]

well theres a difference between 100k and 400k

100k after taxes is enough to live a decent life

but 400k after taxes is enough to ball the fuck out

(M-HCol)

[tacit halo]

Okay, I guess I acknowledge that I my perspective when it comes to tc is flawed. Like I guess I’ve just been exposed to too many big numbers

But is doing hundreds of leetcode problems really the best way to prepare?

[still gazelle]

how else are you gonna prepare lol

[tacit halo]

Sure, I believe that it’s important to understand data structures and algorithms

But 500 seems like an overkill

[abstract wagon]

it is

even 400 is super overkill

[still gazelle]

i think doing about 200 is the sweet spot

[tacit halo]

I’m wondering if there are more efficient ways to prepare

It just sounds so stressful to me

[still gazelle]

well

they ask u leetcode questions on ur interview

so how else ru gonna prepare

like i understand that its stressful

but u gotta do what u gotta do

[tacit halo]

Watching many hours of YouTube videos related to data structures and algorithms that go over how to solve problems.

As I’ve always said how do u acquire the foundation to solve problems?

[gray barn]

would those problems be.... leetcode problems?

[tacit halo]

Like u can’t just dive in without knowing how to solve them

That’s what puzzles me

[gray barn]

i mean ok it makes sense in a way

[tacit halo]

What we’re taught in class isn’t sufficient enough

It seems

[gray barn]

if you make or break the interview on your performance on the leetcode problem

why would you NOT go and study the leetcode problems

[still gazelle]

^

[tacit halo]

Not saying not to

[gray barn]

yea

[tacit halo]

But you need to learn the stuff before studying

How will you solve them without learning everything in depth?

[still gazelle]

for my two sigma freshman OA. i put off studying for dfs. guess what was on my OA? a greedy dfs problem. i still passed but i wish i studied

[gray barn]

i mean no duh thats why they ask you to explain your thought process when you are being interviewed

[tacit halo]

Where do u get the knowledge to know how to apply hashmap to x problem?

[still gazelle]

practice

[tacit halo]

But u need to learn everything first?

[still gazelle]

no

i havent even taken ds&a

and i can do a lot of mediums

[gray barn]

by experience

[tacit halo]

But don’t u need to know about the data structures?

[gray barn]

by

uhh

practicing

leetcode problems??

lol

[still gazelle]

alex, you dont have to be perfect

[tacit halo]

But how would u learn them in the first place

[gray barn]

you just read them up lol

and learn them

[still gazelle]

reading the solutions after i fuck up

[tacit halo]

I can’t solve a problem that requires a hashmap without knowing what a hashmap is

[gray barn]

its not something to be gatekeeped

[still gazelle]

no u can

u can solve it

but itll be slower

thats the thing, you dont NEED any data structure

its just faster with them

[tacit halo]

I’ve tried and tried and I can’t solve anything without brute force

[gray barn]

its done with coding experience no one looks for the rubber stamp "data structures and algorithms"

sometimes an efficient way is leetcode problems

[tacit halo]

But what if ur just beginning?

[gray barn]

since they force you to figure out and implement the data structures

[still gazelle]

ull get better bro

trust

[tacit halo]

Like ur new to programming

[gray barn]

you take... cs classes...?

???

[tacit halo]

I haven’t learned anything in my CS classes

[still gazelle]

...

[gray barn]

uhHHH

thats

lowkey on you

[still gazelle]

what language do they teach u at UCSD

[gray barn]

i took the UCSD classes

i learned a ton lol

idk what classes you are taking

[still gazelle]

what language were they btw

[gray barn]

java

into C and C++

[still gazelle]

ok alex

[gray barn]

i think they are a bit language agnostic so over the span of the degree you are expected to pick up any language they throw at you

[tacit halo]

Java

C++

I just took them pass no pass

[gray barn]

??? aren't you a math-cs major lol

are you just abusing the covid letter grade policy to p/np them

i mean i don't get the logic

you don't learn from CS classes

[tacit halo]

I still got over a 60%

[gray barn]

but you are trying to find some magic pill thats better than practicing leetcode problems

[still gazelle]

^

[tacit halo]

I consider anything above 60 a good grade

[still gazelle]

im not sure if elon musk was getting 60s in his programming classes

[tacit halo]

Leetcode didn’t exist before 2017

[gray barn]

YEAAAAA its not hard to get >90% on the CS classes

[tacit halo]

It wouldn’t have mattered

Grades don’t define you as a person

[gray barn]

and i'm crap at leetcode

[still gazelle]

no it wouldve

[gray barn]

no i mean its literally not that hard since for our CS classes most of our grades are literally programming assignments

just completing the programming assignments is already 60% lol

[tacit halo]

I had trouble understanding concepts like a linked list

I tried to read it over

And just couldn’t understand it

Not sure what to do

[gray barn]

???

[tacit halo]

I still did fine on exams

[nova knoll]

Leetcode and interviewing takes time and effort got to be constantly learning and putting in time for some it might just be couple hours a week some it might become a part time job to get good but at end of the day it’s about what you wanna sacrifice to get high paying job

[tacit halo]

I received an 81/100 on my final in cse 12

Which is good

[still gazelle]

linkedlist is just a buncha blocks that point to each other

[gray barn]

thats a B-

[still gazelle]

u cant access one in the middle

u gotta do it from the start

[tacit halo]

My gpa is a 3.56 or something

[still gazelle]

again grades dont define u

[gray barn]

yea

[tacit halo]

I’ve won hackathons still

And I’ve made projects on the side

[still gazelle]

yeah u have but it doesnt matter if you cant leetcode well lol

[gray barn]

but i mean the problem is so classes don't help, you dislike leetcode

but you want to find some way

to get better at leetcode

taht doesn't involve

practicing leetcode?

[pliant hawk]

spent all of quarantine learning ML jus to not like it

now i leetcode only :)

[still gazelle]

lmaoo

[tacit halo]

Just not sure why I’m struggling with understanding these concepts tho

Trying to figure out what it is

[nova knoll]

Gotta prepare to beat the system whether u like it or not

[tacit halo]

What can I do?

I’m just trying to get one good internship

I have interviews lined up

And I’ve been able to solve the two sigma oa

[gray barn]

why not ... practice leetcode?

[tacit halo]

I received 25/30 of the test cases

Last year

[nova knoll]

Put in the hours to get better don’t doubt yourself and gain confidence

[tacit halo]

I’m usually able to solve things with brute force

If brute force is fine

[gray barn]

are you able to get the most optimized solution

or at least a semi-optimized solution

[tacit halo]

That’s where I struggle

[gray barn]

thats where data structures come in lol

if you don't understand that properly it will show during the interview

[tacit halo]

I just don’t have the best short term memory and it’s hard to remember every data structure

[gray barn]

and either you learn the theory correctly through classes or you drill that into your head by practicing leetcode

[tacit halo]

I receive accommodations on exams for this

Can I get interview accommodations like I do in school?

I’ve been diagnosed with adhd

[gray barn]

you shouldn't memorize it like a dictionary it should be built with experience lol

[tacit halo]

But I have adhd and need things like extra time and note sheets

I’ve been diagnosed by a doctor

[gray barn]

UhHH

i mean

you can try

but if you can struggle to barely handle data structures

and need note sheets to solve leetcode problems

then uhm

[nova knoll]

Gotta over come that more than likely build your own notes sheets on data structures to help learn them for interviews

[gray barn]

like frankly you need to restructure your workflow then

thats all i gotta say

[tacit halo]

I need note sheets on all exams

Every class

[gray barn]

work as much as you can around it

[nova knoll]

You can’t get a job and say I need 1.5x time to get a project done

[tacit halo]

My accommodations allow for it

[gray barn]

exactly lol thats what i was thinking

[tacit halo]

They’re required by law to provide reasonable accommodations

[gray barn]

i think this would border on unreasonable tho

[pliant hawk]

the law didnt stop nobody

[nova knoll]

For adhd that’s so common doubt they doing anything in the field could be wrong though

[tacit halo]

The 1.5x isn’t for long term tasks

It’s for short term things

Like 1.5 hours instead of 1 hour

Although personally I prefer algoexpert

I signed up for it recently

[gray barn]

i mean whatever works for you

[tacit halo]

And it helped me understand these topics

Why do people like to joke about algoexpert here?

It’s a really helpful platform

[nova knoll]

People joke about everything here everyone learns different just do what’s best for you and it’s a great resource to learn

[tacit halo]

For me I learn better with tutorials

Although I guess I’m not trying to be a swe in the long term

I’m just trying to learn enough to at least get a few internships and communicate with my developers properly

[gray barn]

at the end of the day you just gotta put in the hours

if you need more hours to do it then just put in those extra hours

[tacit halo]

But I personally think watching videos is what helps me the most

[nova knoll]

Then watch hours of videos till it all clicks just time to grind

[gray barn]

do you have issue commiting things to long term? because i think really if thats ur issue then you really just need to put in more time

[tacit halo]

I guess I do

[gray barn]

like is it impossible to commit things to long term

[tacit halo]

Commuting is quite hard for me

I get distracted too easily

[gray barn]

no as in

remembering concepts deeply

without shallow memorization

[tacit halo]

It depends on the concept

I think I’m strong with long term memory

And thinking conceptually

But I can’t memorize dictionaries

Or formulas

[gray barn]

yea

then commit all the data structures to your long term memory lol

[tacit halo]

It’s hard for me to memorize loads of information in a short period of time

[gray barn]

if it takes a lot of time to do it then just ptu in the time

theres no magic pill to solve that

[tacit halo]

I have interviews in the next few weeks

[gray barn]

well uhh

[tacit halo]

But I can definitely commit a few hours a day to learning everything

[gray barn]

then just put in more time

move things around

really

[tacit halo]

I still have 1-2 weeks

[gray barn]

it depends on how badly you want the internship at this point

[tacit halo]

Really badly

I guess for me I just think that learning the algorithms first is the best

Since many problems on leetcode presume knowledge of data structures and algorithms

[gray barn]

whatever you think works lol as long as at the end of the day if they give you a leetcode problem you can solve it

[tacit halo]

According to people on quora

[gray barn]

since leetcode problems are designed to test if you have that knowledge, thats the whole point of it being asked in OAs and interviews

[tacit halo]

The algoexpert platform just feels a lot more comfortable I guess

But okay, here’s what I will say, I didn’t find any motivation to do leetcode problems till I got my first technical interview

Which was in the last 3 weeks

So I only started studying more recently

Like I’m able to solve most easy questions with no problems. It’s the mediums where I struggle

Has anyone tried CTCI?

I’ve heard favorable things about it.

[muted leaf]

should prob ask in #general just to get more answers

[strange wraith]

Not a fan of CTCI

[tacit halo]

I have interviews at banks like American Express and JP Morgan. Will those likely be a bit easier than leetcode quetsions?

[strange wraith]

It’s too old

[tacit halo]

Why?

I like that it has strategies

[strange wraith]

It’s a meh book at best in the current recruitment process

Too jumbled

Just a random bunch of DS questions

[dapper shard]

CTCI is kind of dated for the current process now

[tacit halo]

Would you say the strategies they describe are no longer relevant?

[strange wraith]

Nah they’re relevant but they’re not anything special

You can find the same generic tips online

In terms of pure algorithmic prep something like EPI or grokking is probably better

[tacit halo]

Those look good let me check them out

Personally I believe pymetrics is the gold standard

[strange wraith]

gold standard for what

pymetrics is sus af

[tacit halo]

pymetrics allows companes to obtain greater insights into your personality and what traits you have in order to find the best role for u

and understand ur personal qualities and learning style

and it removes hiring biases

it removes human bias from the process

i also like byteboard

[pliant hawk]

FUCK pymetrics

presses spacebar -> ah yes you arent a good fit

[abstract wagon]

CTCI is especially dated rn bc of virtual interviews. It was more useful when you had to pseudocode on a whiteboard

I'd say the behavioral topics it covers are useful as well as general data structures. But doesn't help as far as clearing technical interviews anymore, since at least end of 2018

A connection of mine used it successfully in spring 2018 for Google Eng res

[abstract wagon]

Anyone know what a typical background looks like for PM? Can someone who's been doing SWE move into it or would it be extremely difficult? Also is anyone interested in becoming a VC and has made some solid steps towards it? What does it take? Just a thought that crossed my mind and its been down the rabbit hole from there

[tacit halo]

Yeah I’m definitely trying to break into vc, even right now, by working at a few funds and starting my own

There’s a whole community of gen z VC’s

I can invite u to the slack

Just dm me

It mainly takes a lot of cold emailing

Basically find a few very early stage startups, get to know the founders, identify why this startup is promising, cold outreach to vc firms and present these opportunities to them, and try to build a relationship

This is the advice I got from a few vc panels

Also ladder.co is quite helpful in this regard

I’d say pm is more entrepreneurial

Basically leading the vision for a product within a large company

Just need to be able to speak with the developers on a high level

But nothing too in depth

For vc there are a lot of opportunities to break in early

Countless student run funds

But always willing to answer questions

[abstract wagon]

thanks

[abstract wagon]

anyone else?

especially if you found an internship/new grad pm role at a top company i would love if you could share

[tacit halo]

R u more interested in pm or vc?

In comparison to swe, I think pm is an entirely separate thing

U don’t need swe experience to be a pm

Is it’s own track

Many companies have apm positions

Associate product manager

U could also become one with an MBA (mainly for connections), although the pay increase is probably marginal

It seems that pm and swe pay doesn’t differ that much

But pm may be a better pathway to higher level management roles

Arguably it’s easier to get promoted in management than in swe

[abstract wagon]

i'm not interested in going into either full time

i just want to diversify my experience

[tacit halo]

Swe full time then?

[abstract wagon]

probably

unless I find that pm/vc is more for me

[tacit halo]

Well, would u plan on going into pm in the more distant future? Eventually switching to management after maybe like 10 years seems like a pretty common goal

[abstract wagon]

no

im not thinking that far ahead

there's no point

[tacit halo]

Well I guess the switch from swe to manager is still doable

Looking at the levels data it seems most of the managers at the top end of the tc scale have several decades of experience, so they’re probably in their 40s and 50s. So swe is definitely a reasonable starting point

Early on it might be more tough

But once u have tenure it probably isn’t too hard

Although product manager might be different from engineering manager

Engineering manager is probably a tenure title

Product manager is fundamentally different work

[muted leaf]

WHERE MY OFFERS

tfw unpaid internships dont want me either

[ionic bronze]

Fr I applied to an unpaid internship in NYC, had like 2* reviews on glassdoor

And they never got back to me

[sinful tinsel]

Is it fine to connect with a recruiter on LinkedIn?

[thick ridge]

yeah I usually do if I get an offer

[sinful tinsel]

Wut abt no offer but u like the company?

[thick ridge]

are you already in contact with the recruiter?

I usually don't connect on linkedin to cold message if thats what you're asking

but you certainly can

[sinful tinsel]

I’m already in contact with recruiter, and I’m not cold messaging lmao

[thick ridge]

oh

I'd probably just wait until the process is over

but either way you can send a connection if you get rejected I don't think it's frowned upon

[sinful tinsel]

It is over

[thick ridge]

you can probs connect if u want

but honestly you have their email for next szn

so it's not a huge advantage

[sinful tinsel]

To connect?

[thick ridge]

yea

[sinful tinsel]

Ah ok

[bitter onyx]

Is Amazon online or in person?

To those who got offers

[wary flame]

not decided yet. they should announce in january

[gusty verge]

anybody here apply to fbu for product design?

[dapper shard]

Most CS majors have never heard of LeetCode

And a good amount who have most likely won’t do it

[ionic bronze]

Not everyone in CS is like the people in here lol

[dapper shard]

^

Most entry level jobs for CS don’t do anything like LeetCode at all

[ionic bronze]

A lot of them end up graduating and getting a nice cushy swe job at local xx company making a nice 70k salary

[dapper shard]

Only the ones that pay extremely high for new grad.

[ionic bronze]

Which is honestly aight

[dapper shard]

^

General Motors?

Even GM asks LC style questions. At least for the OA

[ionic bronze]

Is it hard tho?

[dapper shard]

But umich also has a higher talent level compared to most other colleges with CS programs

[ionic bronze]

@dapper shard i remember passing the JPMC oa w/o knowing about LC

[stiff vessel]

Chrysler sends like 20 recruiters to Michigan lol

[ionic bronze]

wtf lol

[dapper shard]

Isn’t their second question on the OA DP?😐

And most will just end up at F500 companies which usually don’t ask anything except like traverse a linked list or something

[ionic bronze]

Oh mine was a stack question trying to find if a string was balanced in terms of parenthesis

So like [] [] ()

I had such a weird solution that didn't involve a stack in the first place

I'm surprised I passed cuz I'm not even sure my code ran lmao

lolol yeah

Companies outside of tech don't really ask anything pass LC easy tbh

[stiff vessel]

Michigan top hiring companies 2018-2019:

[umbral heart]

i knew about lc, but i still avoid it tbh. Cushy job for me

[ionic bronze]

I was aware of it cuz I had a couple mentors my brother connected me with who were going for FAANG when I joined as a freshman (they ended up getting it \o/)

[stiff vessel]

This is self report data so not necessarily accurate

[umbral heart]

Surprised Bosch is on here lol

[ionic bronze]

Jeez a lot of googlers

And Amazon too

When the top five is literally just FAANG lol

[stiff vessel]

G for General Motors

[ionic bronze]

kekw

[umbral heart]

swap out N for M

[ionic bronze]

bruh

Y'all have people getting hired by Apple as well jeez

I don't think anyone at my school even works at Apple as a SWE

Is UMich top 20 CS or something?

[umbral heart]

I only know 1 or 2 peeps at apple as a swe

[ionic bronze]

oh lol

mine is nice

tier 103

Our SWE's mainly get hired by JPMC, o&g companies, or big old companies like HP and IBM

[umbral heart]

my school isn't anywhere in the top 10 for cs afaik lol

[ionic bronze]

I can count on my fingers how many people actually got FAANG in my program lolol

Jfc

I think it's 70k here

[dapper shard]

I can count on both hands how many people at my school actually become SWE after they graduate.

[ionic bronze]

Sometimes I wish that I went to a t10 school

That's fair

Did a lot of people get freshman internships there?

[dapper shard]

I saw one of the masters CS students from my school who graduated working at the local Walmart a year later. Of course there might definitely be circumstances completely out of his control that occurred. But it was just crazy and a little sad to see.

[ionic bronze]

Walmart SWE

[dapper shard]

He was busing the carts

[ionic bronze]

F

I feel like a lot of the times their lives could have been different if someone introduced them to high TC and some nice LC

I have a friend like that too

Really concerned for him

But I feel like him not doing interviews is just cuz he feels bad when he applies and he doesn't get em

So he's just like "fuck it I'm not"

Probably depressed :(

Tbh when I applied I compared myself to hyper performance people getting like 5+ offers and 20+ interviews in a semester (I legit knew a girl who did that, it was fucking insane)

I felt depressed when I didn't get nearly as many :(

[inland bloom]

[inland bloom]

everytime i open linkedin i see 10 ppl posting about their spring, summer, fall internships at big N

[simple saffron]

ig it does get easier tho

[ionic bronze]

I did like 30 different oa's and interviews (including like 5 interviews in a day) month of October lol

I hated it so much

I was so burnt out by November I didn't even feel like doing school work kek

Stopped attending classes

I might jsut try and get a return offer lol

[dapper shard]

Yeah fuck this shit for new grad

[ionic bronze]

But I kind of want to get a good new grad offer just to negotiate a hire salary

[dapper shard]

I’ll just take my return offer

[loud hollow]

amazon is still really good

well its never gonna be bad LOL

itll def help resume

[ionic bronze]

Wym Amazon is FAANG, I'd rather take someone who interned at Amazon than a company like lockheed lolmfao

[dapper shard]

Lockheed has harder resume screen than amazon if we gonna be honest

[loud hollow]

^

[terse torrent]

The amt of offers is actually insanw

[dapper shard]

They can hire a lot of talent so they just do

[loud hollow]

its crazy bc they are also adding the propel / leap program

[terse torrent]

But I heard they are firing ppl as they hire?

Like the more senior ones(?)

Idk lol

Tru

[dapper shard]

Thought they just pip-ed the bottom like 5% or something

[terse torrent]

Why cap reacr

[loud hollow]

is meme

[terse torrent]

Small vs big company is the same to work for except for pay and prestige and benefits

Culture varies for avg and op

[low epoch]

Nah i’m sure one advantage of big op company is higher quality mentorship

Regardless of pay

[dapper shard]

A lot of people really don’t care about prestige. They just want money and the prestigious companies just pay more. I would work at a mom and pop shop if they paid more than Twitter tbh

[ionic bronze]

big true here

[terse torrent]

Ya true lol

Would u say 200 ppl company is small or nah

[low epoch]

I mean let’s not kid ourselves tho. Prestige is built in. Like bias. You can’t categorically say you value “the exciting experience” and separate it from prestige

But the sentiment is good

[terse torrent]

I got ~same mentorship at 200 ppl comp as big comp but obviously not the same at a 11 person comp

[loud hollow]

thats like startup size no

[terse torrent]

Uh idk lol

Just the resume cares

Future prospect

[loud hollow]

impact you make > prestige

[terse torrent]

@atomic flint any random job paying 40-55 an hour

Is def new to me

Lol

[loud hollow]

all i see people talk about on reddit is msft google facebook or amazon lol

[dapper shard]

@fast dagger are you doing any better man? Got any good news?

[low epoch]

I’m not saying chasing prestige is good or bad. All i’m saying is it’s ingrained and hard to get rid of, like any bias

That’s it

[terse torrent]

True

[loud hollow]

true

[dapper shard]

I’m hoping the best best for you dude 🥺

[terse torrent]

I told my friend's sister abt msft explore etc..

She goes to above avg uni

And is like no I don't want to work lmao

Csmajor btw

[dapper shard]

Wut

[terse torrent]

She doesn't wanna do internships

[loud hollow]

LOOOL same i told a friend that goes to harvard to apply to freshman program and she told me she gonna do summer school instead

[low epoch]

Harvard kids smh

[terse torrent]

I think she picked cs over accounting for money

Job prospects

But she doesn't wanna do google step

Nah

I wouldn't say so

Not to sound mean

Def not rich

Avg household?

[dapper shard]

Told my CS peers to do internships and they said “a Masters and a 4.0 will make me just as competitive”. They have no internships going into their senior year

[low epoch]

Whoever claims tc is king over impact, prestige, whatever, i side with u. Not because u should seek clout but because $$$ even opens up door for u to donate and do stuff with

[strange wraith]

wait whats wrong with summer school lol

you can dip out of school earlier if you stack credits

[loud hollow]

i mean nothing wrong w it LOL

[terse torrent]

[ionic bronze]

I remember back in freshman year when I applied to TwoSigma and I was like "eh, looks like some random company, they looked cool tho"

[loud hollow]

but fbu step two sig >>> summer school

imo

[terse torrent]

Ye

[strange wraith]

i mean

[terse torrent]

Unless u some serious academic

[strange wraith]

honestly i would just finish school a year earlky

and work at legit internships

and a legit job

[low epoch]

Maybe if u did tell em 2sig was frat more ppl would apply

[terse torrent]

I want to work 10 internships before ng

[low epoch]

“Damn this frat app is hard af”

[terse torrent]

[strange wraith]

cause school be mad expensive bro

[dapper shard]

Money

[strange wraith]

cant afford that

3 years im out

[low epoch]

Yeah but cs internships lead to ft pay which DEMOLISHES student loan payments

[terse torrent]

I'm doing 5 years by default

I'm fine w it

[loud hollow]

fb sign on is like 75k LOL

[strange wraith]

you dont have to do multiple internships to get a job though

[low epoch]

I can agree with wanting to grad early becuz u hate school

School sucks

[dapper shard]

You can do this with CS because it pays so much. Almost a death/debt sentence with any other major.

[terse torrent]

Yeah it sucks

[dapper shard]

School is ass cheeks honestly I’m tired of being here

[ionic bronze]

w t f

[low epoch]

Nah but more summers = higher odds

Binomial probability

[terse torrent]

Lol

[strange wraith]

well technically no because only your junior year internships are going to lead to FT realistically

[ionic bronze]

bruh a single FAANG internship can pay off pretty much my entire school for most people (my school is generous with scholarships + cheap)

[low epoch]

I thought ppl kept solid relationships with internships in general?

[strange wraith]

yeah but your sophomore year internship is not going to offer you a FT job straight

still going to have to reinterview

[dapper shard]

I did just find out I don’t have to even do full time hours anymore since I had so much transfer credit from high school and I’ll still graduate by May 2022. Literally doing 14-12-6 in my last three semesters so I’m insanely happy

[low epoch]

3 summers of potential internships > 2 how is this disputed

[dapper shard]

Facebook doesn’t reinterview

[strange wraith]

sophomore to FT?

[ionic bronze]

U graduate 2022 spring?

[dapper shard]

Google does though

[strange wraith]

facebook does sophomore to FT

cause theres a gap in the middle

[dapper shard]

Yeah

[strange wraith]

oh right

yeah well then its basically your junior year internship

cause you just skip freshman year basically

[low epoch]

4 yrs also lets u distribute courseloads with more freedom

[terse torrent]

[low epoch]

Taking 5 cs classes...i’m not about that life

[dapper shard]

It sucks. Trust me

[terse torrent]

Is boba ever coming back, does anyone know

I'm taking 6 a term

[dapper shard]

Probably not

[terse torrent]

[stiff vessel]

lol wtf

[terse torrent]

Yeah prob not

[dapper shard]

Lmao okay dude

[stiff vessel]

i take 2 cs classes/sem at most

[terse torrent]

He doesn't need us really

We need him

[loud hollow]

[low epoch]

How can u watch anime when ur taking 5 cs classes

Hiru do u go to a target

[stiff vessel]

yeah, for umich

[dapper shard]

Boba really was 5head tbh

[stiff vessel]

and not just for cs, for all engineering

cs is the majority though

[low epoch]

No name schools can get away with 4 cs classes MAYBE

[stiff vessel]

and also its self report lol

[loud hollow]

is boba the hft person?

[ionic bronze]

3 cs classes + full-time internships tho

[low epoch]

This is a given 😎

[stiff vessel]

yeah i filled it out last year

for a donut at pierpont