2021_summer

[strange wraith]

Okay, so a month and a half ago some recruiter reached out to me on jumpstart saying she would like to offer me an internship. I felt good. I was finally getting traction from recruiters. I then asked her for more information and she literally just gave me a link to apply online.
@tacit halo honestly this is mad sus, getting a random internship offer seems really sketchy. What company was it?

[abstract wagon]

did you count the number of rejects after final too

ive seen a lot of offers too yeah

about 50/50 almost

crazy

[cyan valley]

@abstract wagon u forgot hes 🤡 ing

he's the one who bought his way into USC

[atomic flint]

Lmao

[cyan valley]

💀 🤡

Most companies are done giving spots for summer internships right?

[thick ridge]

not true

but a lot of pipelines r slowing down fs

[icy juniper]

Do you guys add your interviewers on linkedin

i liked one of mine and I want to add him, but i'm not sure if it would be awkward

[thick ridge]

only if i accept the offer

[icy juniper]

that's a good point

[loud raft]

I add them if it is a company I like and the interview goes very well

[broken prairie]

anyone know what the twitter start dates are

[thorn leaf]

bruh just finished twitch oa3, and it seemed too easy, was there some hidden trick which they were expecting us to get at? or is this why ppl say its a placebo oa lol

[split fractal]

yeah, legit took 5 min. I think there were some hidden cases based on the assumptions they told us to make

but either way, very likely it is a placebo

too easy to give any sort of real filtering

[thorn leaf]

yeah

maybe this filters like 20 percent of applications lol

10-20

[thick ridge]

yeah isnt it confirmed to b e a placebo

[cyan valley]

@icy juniper I added one before the final interview

one after the interview

[icy juniper]

that's smart

[pulsar shadow]

wait @cyan valley how do you add/know your interviewer before the interview

[soft hound]

bruh what happened to tiktok

whyd they just stop contacting people after second round oa

[cyan valley]

I meant recruiter @pulsar shadow they reached out to me after I submitted application

and I added em on linkedin

doesn't hurt no need to burn bridge

She said I could just reach back to her for full time opportunity if i was interested later on

[pulsar shadow]

nice

[runic tinsel]

i can never get recruiters to re-consider me for opporutunities

anyone know why this happens? do these recruiters not like me lol

[patent sluice]

its hard at a lot of places unless you have a significantly diff resume

[runic tinsel]

i added a new internship, new RA position, new side projects focusing solely on ML and new degree (masters)

it's been 2 years since I interviewed specifically with linkedin and lyft

[severe jasper]

Has anyone interviewed at audible before ?

[loud hollow]

[abstract wagon]

have they ghosted you or gave you a rejection?

I mean after cold mail

[runic tinsel]

ghost

[wind trench]

guys has anyone done tinder full stack intern interview or amazon intern interview?

[sinful oar]

Autodesk is reaching out to schedule interviews today

[torn dagger]

y'all think its worth picking up Java? I know C++ Python and C# but never touched Java in my life

ye i learned OOP in C#

so much easier than C++

[oblique cobalt]

i have the same question but for C#

[torn dagger]

i mean i feel like itd be super easy to learn

theyre essentially the same

[cyan valley]

I have a question

If im graduating with a BS in 3 years, shud I take 1 year to get a MS

And get an internship that following summer as well

[brazen shale]

not really honestly, java and c#'s use cases overlap a lot.

If you want to get into android dev you don't even need java anymore

[brazen shale]

it is pretty much

[narrow patrol]

ngl if you really want to take 4 years i would just take 1 class a semester and do offszn internships

and finish the BS in 4 years

(assuming your priority is looking for jobs/internships over more school)

[tacit halo]

i feel like the ms is definitely worth the extra year

it will open up a lot more doors

and make u eligible for a lot more jobs

[abstract wagon]

If money are not a problem yes for sure

[narrow patrol]

from what ive seen BS and MS get same internships/jobs

[abstract wagon]

And if you don't have a job already

[narrow patrol]

id rather take an extra year to do the BS, bc can take offseason internships instead of more intensive classes

[coral geode]

If you like school and are excited by the idea of learning master level material yes

[tacit halo]

some jobs require an ms

[narrow patrol]

few tbh

[tacit halo]

especially machine learning ones

[narrow patrol]

agree w this

[low epoch]

Yeah i got the email too. Idk how their rep is but i used a lot of their software in hs which is top notch

[narrow patrol]

if you want to prioritize learning, go for MS

if you want to prioritize employment, go for BS in 4 yrs (or 3 if you got smthn nice lined up)

[tacit halo]

for an ms, i wouldnt say a strong passion for research is necessary

for a phd, it is

[abstract wagon]

MS can allow you to work on some specialization like security, AI, Vr/ar, compiler etc...

[tacit halo]

ms is only 1 or 2 years

phd is 5-7

[sinful oar]

Happen to know if they do fall or push start date to late summer?

[tacit halo]

yeah, this is what makes it worth it

[low epoch]

Dont MS personal statements have to lean towards research?

[narrow patrol]

imo grad school is worthless unless you are looking at niche fields

only exception is if you are looking at a niche field

dont do MS just for the sake of it

[coral geode]

That’s 1-2 years you could have been working , making money, get a raise/new job

[low epoch]

Would be awesome to know but i dont so i’ll go thru with it and see what’s up

[tacit halo]

sometimes

[narrow patrol]

this

[abstract wagon]

Don't do school for the sake of it

[narrow patrol]

^^

if you just want a good job graduate early

[tacit halo]

it will allow u to make more money

[cyan valley]

See the thing is

[narrow patrol]

nah it wont

unless niche field

[cyan valley]

Money isn't the problem to get the masters

it's if it is worth it

[tacit halo]

what about machine learning jobs?

[cyan valley]

Cuz I went into college knowing I'd finish

[low epoch]

If money wasnt a concern i would commend people for getting masters because learning is always a good investment

[cyan valley]

in 3 years

[narrow patrol]

marginally, most real ML wants phd

[abstract wagon]

If you have to take a big loan don't do ms

[narrow patrol]

yo

whats ur priority

[tacit halo]

many explicitly require an ms at the very least

[cyan valley]

Yeah I don't have to take loans

[abstract wagon]

Only research

[narrow patrol]

are you interested in niche field?

[cyan valley]

I want experience in the field not really niche

And just getting a nice job

[narrow patrol]

you can get ML engineer with a BS fi thats what you want

[cyan valley]

That's why I wanted to be done in 3

[narrow patrol]

then why do the MS

why take 4 years at all

[cyan valley]

Jobs pay more?

Idk

That's why I asked lol

[narrow patrol]

depends on what you get lined up

[tacit halo]

@cyan valley have u considered doing an ms concurrently with ur bs?

[abstract wagon]

More difficult to get into ml with a bs

[narrow patrol]

imo BS in 4 years is ideal for max TC

[tacit halo]

ive seen a few ppl do it

[narrow patrol]

unless, in 3 years you get a good offer

than jsut graduate

[tacit halo]

actually, i have a thought

[narrow patrol]

doing an MS isnt worth it unless you are interested in some niche material

[cyan valley]

Yeah I mean im a 2nd year junior technically

[narrow patrol]

me too

[cyan valley]

the only problem is that leaves

only 1 summer

[abstract wagon]

If money is not a problem just do what you enjoy most

[tacit halo]

it seems most ms students are international. do u think it's primarily just to get a visa?

[cyan valley]

for internship unless I do

fall

[narrow patrol]

dms

[cyan valley]

or spring

[tacit halo]

and if ur a citizen it isnt worth it?

[abstract wagon]

In US yes

[tacit halo]

so if ur a citizen the value is much less?

[abstract wagon]

There's no a general rule. Let me explain better

[coral geode]

I’d like to entertain myself and pursue a masters at a better name school than my BS school. But the time sunk into it and prolonging my career/life just isn’t worth it I think. If anything maybe down the line I get an employer to pay for my part time masters schooling

[tacit halo]

yeah, if its at a better school, then it might be worth it

like if u can pursue an ms at a target, theres value there

but if it increases ur earnings, its worth it

[low epoch]

This is pretty much exactly how i think too

But also for learning not just increase street cred

[abstract wagon]

An high number of students take a master degree as international students to get a visa and work in USA. But it doesn't mean that it is useless as a citizen. If money isn't a problem why do you bother about working 1.5 year earlier? If you want to dive on some particular stuff just do it. In the long run 1.5 years is meaningless: you can join Amazon and get PIPed or Uber and after 6 months there are layoffs. Why don't just learn more about CS if you like it?

[tacit halo]

ms is different than a phd tho. ms is a relatively short term commitment and may not be as research heavy. most don't go into academia

yeah, in the long run, 1.5 years is meaningless

especially if the higher salary will allow u to make the lost income back rather quickly an increase ur salary in the long run

of course this is an extreme example but many ml jobs may pay 250k instead of 150k for swe

which is a pretty big difference

since it's an even rarer and more niche skill

but companies are willing to pay a fair rate for someone who has a deep understanding of ml

[abstract wagon]

If you jump on the right niche you are done for life

Look at ML 10 years ago

[cyan valley]

@coral geode That's what I think

If an employeer wants me to get it

[tacit halo]

and it's still only the beginning

[cyan valley]

I'll do it if they pay for some of it

[tacit halo]

well, i do have a suspicion that ms programs tend to be cash cows

but there are scholarships available

if u look hard enough

and u can just take out loans if necessary

and ur salary will allow u to pay them back relatively quickly

for example, stanfords ms in cs costs about 120k, which is more or less what youll make as a new grad swe

however, what many people don't know is that hundreds of millions of dollars in scholarships go unclaimed every year

it's literally free money laying aroun

of course you have to find them

but they are there if u look hard enough

and even small scholarships really add up

like $500 might not sound like a lot, but if u can get a bunch of $500 scholarships, it's a big deal

[topaz plank]

what percentage of the people who get twosigma final rounds for the freshman internship get the internship?

[lethal ore]

Probably low

They only take like 8/9 interns

[topaz plank]

hm and how many people do they typically invite for a final round?

[lethal ore]

Idk about that lol

I would guess not a very high amount too

[topaz plank]

well, it also depends since one may or may not get the second one

[pale coyote]

why does imc have the most bizarre ads lol

also what kind of talent do they hope to reach by advertising on facebook????

[abstract wagon]

talent like you

[pale coyote]

then why did they reject me 😞

[abstract wagon]

@pale coyote im sorry.

[flat vine]

walking up to your employees and asking them "hey can u stand in these weird positions for a picture" must be awkward

[marsh burrow]

How long does it take Amazon to reach out after applying to APP/AFL/LEAP?does it take the same amount of time as SDE or is it shorter?

[low epoch]

My summer internship in missouri just got confirmed virtual. Previously it was “in person until further notice”

Yes missouri. I dont have to move there just thought i’d mention location in case people are tryna see how trends/plans are going right now i guess

[torn dagger]

mine is waiting till march to confirm if remote or in person

[terse torrent]

!process morgan stanley phone

[small fossil]

You can only use this command in #2021_grad_process or #2021_intern_process

[lethal ore]

Same

[soft hazel]

so this is a thing lmao

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[thick ridge]

this is amazing

[pulsar shadow]

what is your favorite graph problems

[torn dagger]

the one that doesnt involve a graph

[abstract wagon]

number of islands

[torn dagger]

that ^

probably the only graph problem i know how to do

😭

[abstract wagon]

im joking, i dont have a list made up

but i like graph problems

redundant connection is ok

[flat vine]

my favirote graph problem is Number of Squareful Arrays

[pulsar shadow]

my fav is alien language

struggled with it until I found out it's topological sort then the ah ha dopamine rush

[torn dagger]

i keep forgetting stuff like a week after i do them

maybe im just not understanding enough

[pulsar shadow]

that's just human

[torn dagger]

prepping for new grad do u think i should approach LC breadth first or depth first

cuz rn i just keep hopping over different topics

thinking i should focus on a topic a week maybe?

[pulsar shadow]

one thing that really help me understand backtracking is doing 4 of them in a row. try that method.

[torn dagger]

i think i gotta have to drill recursion into my mind

[stone tiger]

i usually do the problem 3x if i dont understand it

the 3rd time i expect to like do it in less than 15mins

[torn dagger]

interesting

[abstract wagon]

depth first

[abstract wagon]

yeah this sounds good

[bitter oriole]

has anyone done the behavioral interview for twitter

[timber sky]

what team are you interviewing for?

it depends on the team^

[low epoch]

@dapper shard did u already do this?

I forget sry

[dapper shard]

No. Through what I’m doing I believe I have three rounds of interviews all on one day compared to separate interviews on separate days.

[low epoch]

Very nice

[pale coyote]

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this one is amazing lol

[warped wind]

i think my favorite is that SAT score post

1600 is respectable though

[patent sluice]

Lol

[icy juniper]

@thin scroll Hey rad you were a amazon intern last summer right? Could I ask you about how useful amazon on your resume was for exit opps to other FAANGs/unicorns? ty!

[rough marlin]

Hey did anyone ever hear from x’s tech for good, everyday robot project internship??

[muted leaf]

has anyone done square codesignal? do we need to turn on cam or meh?

[tacit halo]

How do u apply?

I couldn’t find the role

[strange wraith]

pretty sure it was a fully proctored one with cam and mic

[muted leaf]

yeah it's closed for now

[muted leaf]

ah okay thanks for info

gotta wait till amazon sends a new web cam 😦

or can give me an offer and i wont need to take this

[strange wraith]

i remember i decided to send once of my old scores instead but it limited my choices to the proctored tests only

but then i just decided to do it for practice anyways

and got a worse score than before xd

[muted leaf]

i only have a score around 700 so i NEED to retake

[strange wraith]

good luck mate

[muted leaf]

thanks m8 🙏

[tacit halo]

Just get to 750 and u should be safe

Once ur past the threshold it should be fine

Also when did u apply? @muted leaf

Do they not send the codesignal automatically?

[sonic badger]

750 for square?

That's what I got

Haven't heard back

Assumed I was ghosted

[tacit halo]

Codesignal is usually a hard cutoff

That ur either above or below

700 is usually the hard cutoff for most companies

Maybe 720

Of course it’s better to get higher, but perfect isn’t necessary

[abstract wagon]

i think 800+ is safe

or at least ~750

[strange wraith]

i dont think 700-720 is safe tbh

id say >800 is definitely safe

companies like quora, databricks etc had pretty high cutoffs i believe

a lot of companies also do resume screens after codesignal

[abstract wagon]

i only say 750 because if you have previous experience or go to target i think theres some leniency

[strange wraith]

yeah fair enough 750 might be alright

esp with a really nice resume

[abstract wagon]

but I agree with you too, 800 is my personal minimum

[sinful tinsel]

What’s the highest you can get?

[abstract wagon]

850

[strange wraith]

850

[sinful tinsel]

Ah

800 seems good than

[strange wraith]

yeah very company dependent, but a lot of companies using codesignal are quite competitive

[abstract wagon]

what was the cutoff for quora

[strange wraith]

quora needed 840 LOL

[abstract wagon]

i thought it was high but people got interviews with 700s i think

yeah i moved forward with 848

unfair tbh

[abstract wagon]

from stanford and other targets

granted they were like high 700s

[strange wraith]

i had target on my resume but i never moved forward with <840 tbh

so who knows

[abstract wagon]

damn 😭

they had previous unicorn/bign too so maybe thats why

[strange wraith]

i had to get 842 before i started hearing anything

also i despise that codesignal is such RNG

but once you have a good score

[abstract wagon]

yeah same

[strange wraith]

you can just spam that shit everywhere

which is nice

[abstract wagon]

before my 848 i had a 830

and I dont think I was a lot better

just lucked out on qs

[strange wraith]

yeah i believe 800-839 is when you do question 1,2,4

840+ is all 4

750-800 is 1,2,3

[abstract wagon]

weird

I answered all 4 both times

this was last year btw

idk if that means anything

[strange wraith]

i see, interesting

they published a whitepaper on the scoring scheme

[abstract wagon]

scammed

whatever ive just been reusing my score ever since

LOL

[strange wraith]

yeah thats the move for sure

i dont think im ever gonna retake

[abstract wagon]

@strange wraith what do you think about hackerrank

out of all the testing platforms I think I hate that one the least

[strange wraith]

yeah i mean its basically just leetcode questions with a verbose tag

so it correlates the most with standard prep I guess?

which is always nice

[abstract wagon]

mhm

I just like that I don't have time pressure when I do hrs

codesignal always makes me stress out on speed

[tacit halo]

Is quora really 840?

I cannot believe that there’s any company in the world that will reject a candidate for “only” scoring a 98%

Is 839 really an auto reject from quora?

[abstract wagon]

quora's full of competitive programmers

it is what it is

[tacit halo]

Well not everyone

Not most

But it’s a trend certainly

But does the actual codesignal score matter?

Or does it only matter whether ur above or below the cutoff?

Like let’s just say it’s 750

749 -> autoreject

751 -> good to go

Like I’m thinking codesignal might only be a way of automatically filtering out a batch of applicants

[strange wraith]

i mean this is probably what it is

but i wouldn't be surprised if these "cutoffs" (of course none of us really know company metrics) corresponded to the levelling in codesignal

e.g the scores associated with getting 1,2,3 or 1,2,4 or 1.2.3,4 correct

[abstract wagon]

off topic but

sometimes q4 is easier than q3

which I don't get

[strange wraith]

q3 is just a brute force mess of a matrix/graph problem every single time

its just annoying

[abstract wagon]

I had to use some special tricks before for q3

maybe just unlucky

or maybe I should've tried to brute force

I just assumed it would TLE

[strange wraith]

So the white paper says that

You can always brute force 1 2 and 3

It’s about implementation only

[abstract wagon]

oh interesting

[strange wraith]

4 is the one which TLEs on brute force

[abstract wagon]

I should really give it a read

@strange wraith any chance you can link it btw

i did a quick search and im not finding it

[tacit halo]

If u get 1 2 3 but not 4 it’s a 750 I think

[sonic badger]

That's what I got

Still got ghosted by square

[pliant ruin]

Does anyone here know any Amazon Recruiter I could reach out to? I have a final interview scheduled for later today and haven't received an email about the meeting ID or information, I've emailed a few already and emailed their SDE intern email yesterday and I'm freaking the hell out

[sonic badger]

Anyone know what the cutoff for snowflake is ?

[loud raft]

everyone

[abstract wagon]

i thought it was 100% but someone passed with 2/3 and partial

[sonic badger]

It's that hard?

[abstract wagon]

i think he's an exception though

[abstract wagon]

cuts everyone off 😂😂😂

[sonic badger]

Rip

[abstract wagon]

how accurate was i @loud raft

[sonic badger]

Is the OA automatic?

[abstract wagon]

no because bitches did not send me one

despite 100% on the last one

😑

[sonic badger]

Damn

They're like

The 5th company to not resume reject me

Out of like

Idk

Alot

[abstract wagon]

idk if i should pog react or sad react

[sonic badger]

Both

I mean

Im probly not gonna get it anyways

And even if I do

I'd have to ask them to move to fall

Which idk if they do

[abstract wagon]

wrong if you get snowflake you are reneging amazon if they dont do fall

do not cap

[sonic badger]

No I'm not I don't think

Maybe if I was 2nd year

[abstract wagon]

are you first year?

[sonic badger]

3rd

Amazon has a super high return rate

Canadian office

[abstract wagon]

oh i see

[sonic badger]

Like snowflake probly more Chad

But

Amazon more secure

...at least for the first 2 years

[abstract wagon]

some of us like to gamble

[sonic badger]

Ya forsure

But I'm a bit older than most of y'all

And have a lot of shit I need to secure

[abstract wagon]

how old?

[sonic badger]

And Amazon gives me a good chance of that

29

[abstract wagon]

damn ur a grandpa

jk

[sonic badger]

Basically

[abstract wagon]

na i kid

really cool that you're pursuing cs at that age

i wouldve been too occupied with other things

and likely not have bothered

[sonic badger]

U say that

But when u watch all ur friends live paycheck to paycheck

Hating their life and their shitty job

U make things happenn

If u can

[abstract wagon]

are you married?

[sonic badger]

Yes

[abstract wagon]

i feel like that would make it exponentially harder

at least for me

but yeah i respect the tenacity

amazon well deserved 💯

[sonic badger]

Ty

Here's hoping I land something for fall and have options

[abstract wagon]

keep it short

lower probability of them spamming you a million questions

found a better opportunity

or just found something that aligns better to what you want to do in the future

[thick ridge]

don't even say that

just say that you're no longer able to join

[abstract wagon]

that works too yea

go bankrupt probably

[soft hound]

wtf theyre still hiring for explore?

[formal finch]

yeah my friend got interview yesterday

Recruiter stop sending interview this month

I went to panel about it

Last hires are in March

[soft hound]

dam wtf gg

[soft hound]

ghosted gang

[quaint veldt]

Has anyone done the Kensho Technologies Hacker Rank

[simple saffron]

omfg

pestering actually works

i cant believe it

i thought i was for sure rejected/ghosted

[abstract wagon]

@simple saffron where

[simple saffron]

dont wanna say until its final so i dont jinx myself

[abstract wagon]

oh np and congrats!

[simple saffron]

thx boo ❤️

[thick ridge]

nice lol

cold emails rlly be pulling thru

[simple saffron]

^^

incoming alex

[thick ridge]

lol

u mind saying where over dm? lol curious

[terse torrent]

I sent 3 cold emails to two companies neither replied

[thick ridge]

3 not enough lol

I've sent like multiple emails to multiple recruiters of the same company before i got a single response

[unreal anchor]

pestering got me an onsite lolol

[simple saffron]

lol dead

[unreal anchor]

and it might not lead anywhere but I might've gotten a phone interview with a big N from cold emailing

[still gazelle]

what kinda email did u send dooo

[low epoch]

Hol up u followed up after a time? Or right after applying?

[still gazelle]

Doop*

[torn dagger]

good shit doop

[low epoch]

I also send my emails in big colorful comic sans with flash animations to really get recruiter’s attention. But never works, got any tips

[unreal anchor]

every 1-2 weeks for me

[low epoch]

Sounds pretty good, i think 1 week and 2 week follow up can work

Oh ok looks like doop already had a recruiter/was in pipeline

[torn dagger]

i think he was following up after a final

cuz some recruiters tend to leave u in the dark for a while

[simple saffron]

^^

it was 4 weeks since my final

[torn dagger]

jeez

[low epoch]

Yeah cuz this discord hypes up cold emails but almost never provides evidence to back it up

[torn dagger]

my first interview took a month to follow up

but i knew i bombed lol

[low epoch]

doop

[torn dagger]

did they send good news? 🙂

[simple saffron]

oh shit im not poggo anymore

[simple saffron]

yeah verbal offer 🙂

[torn dagger]

hell yea

[unreal anchor]

I'm just tangential evidence. I literally just got a recruiter response with a maybe bc theyre wrapping on onsites rn

[flat vine]

i feel like if you passed the interview the recruiter generally would want to get the results to you as soon as possible

all my rejects after interviews happened after several days or a couple weeks

whereas all the interviews i passed my recruiter got back to me the same day

[simple saffron]

yeah i have a feeling i was on the hook and they were waiting for someone to decline before giving me an offer

but whatever ill take being the second or third option

[unreal anchor]

an offer is an offer

[low epoch]

Yeah bruh, a rebound bf is still a bf 😎

Jk this is still awesome

[unreal anchor]

I can briefly dm what I sent

but it was rather personal and structured for the company

i dont cold email that much

[still gazelle]

i think that helped man

[low epoch]

I think for this coming season i’ll cold email for stuff i REALLY want. So like 10% of apps

[unreal anchor]

I've legit only cold emailed a handful because I really really aligned with their purpose.

[still gazelle]

who do u cold email

like recruiters? if so how do u get their emails

[unreal anchor]

linkedin/rocketreach/hunter

also sometimes from those congratulations linkedin posts

[still gazelle]

i see

do they find it weird that u got their email

[low epoch]

Probably “university recruiter” is the people u should

[low epoch]

Apparently they dont. I would. But they dont

[still gazelle]

yeah lol

[unreal anchor]

not really. could be from anything really

[silk ridge]

yeah i think its better that you email the person who would be your recruiter rather than them having to forward your app

[still gazelle]

i see so there are different recruiters for each school

so u email ur university recruiter at that company

[unreal anchor]

yea

thats prob ur best shot

[low epoch]

Top schools for sure have a recruiter for school/region

Well i would assume

[simple saffron]

or local schools

[low epoch]

But i feel like any university recruiter should be good enough?

[simple saffron]

^

[low epoch]

It’s their job lol

[simple saffron]

best lead is probably asking an upperclassmen/alum who applied for an email

[low epoch]

Especially if ur email says ur a chad.
“Former quant intern, 6 feet tall”

[unreal anchor]

pain

[hushed citrus]

anyone got the t-mobile next round?

[muted leaf]

how do you score higher on codesignal? other than submit faster, cover more hidden cases?

[hasty pulsar]

Be a chad

[muted leaf]

no i a simp

chad can be bezo

i the simp

[cyan valley]

does any1 know what uline is

[sinful oar]

NYT is still actively hiring for the summer

[cyan valley]

Some recruiter texted me

on handshake

[neat tiger]

anyone do the Vimeo ML take home?

[sinful oar]

Also NASA is actively hiring

[cyan valley]

i can't tell if its a scam

[neat tiger]

thank you queen @sinful oar ❤️

[still trellis]

boys i accidentally have 2 overlapping interviews today who wants to do my tiktok phone

[cyan valley]

LMFAO

[neat tiger]

i'll take it off your hands ❤️

[muted leaf]

stupid question but does anyone know if i do code codesignal on bed lying down if cam is required, it's not the recruiters who would monitor it right

like i can have my double chin out chilling in the bed but as long as i dont cheat it'd be fine??

[cyan valley]

just sit at a desk like a normal person

💀

[hasty pulsar]

Which location

@cedar sentinel

[muted leaf]

is it for application development?

[muted leaf]

my back hurts too much to sit rn 💀

[languid sparrow]

Did anyone get a snowflake email regarding a first phone call

[simple saffron]

i’m pretty sure codesignals thing is pretty lax

as long as you don’t go on stack overflow or something

[languid sparrow]

It's really late in the recruiting season and I dunno if I should take it or nah

[simple saffron]

why not?

[abstract wagon]

@languid sparrow how did you do on the OA?

[pliant hawk]

use it as practice ez clap

[languid sparrow]

It was a looong time ago lol, pretty sure I got all cases

[odd kraken]

fall 2021? : ol

snowflake would be rlly cool imo

[languid sparrow]

i dunno when its for lol

i already accepted summer, so i dunno if its worth starting another process

and i dunno if i can afford to do fall 2021 and graduate a semester late

[marsh burrow]

just go through the process and decide if you get an offer

[pliant hawk]

Might be dumb question but is reneging when you sign the offer letter then say you can’t work for them anymore? Or once you sign you can’t go back on the company

[vivid lintel]

Yea that's reneging, signing then later saying no

[still gazelle]

feels like a lot of people in this discord renege

[vivid lintel]

There was some discussion in #rant about reneging that I found interesting

[still gazelle]

@vivid lintel if companies dont want people to renege, then don't force short deadlines to accept offers

think of it like college apps. you get accepted usually around like december/january but u have to pick by like may. im not saying it should be like 4 months. but at least give us like 1-2 months to decide.

[vivid lintel]

Yea I totally agree. If companies could standardize on like one deadline to accept offers by Dec 31st and maybe another (for offers made in the spring) of like April 1st

Then people wouldn't have to renege in the first place

[still gazelle]

exactly

like short deadlines are because companies want to lock up the good candidates asap

[low epoch]

Good ideas boyz that’s what i like to see

[still gazelle]

but by doing that, you are inviting people to renege on you

[vivid lintel]

You hit it on the nail lol

[still gazelle]

yes you shouldn't renege but you didn't give me any flexibility

[low epoch]

New plan. One test. Everyone takes it. No second chances. Place into company according to score. One test to rule them all.

Meritocracy.

[vivid lintel]

Company: Gives exploding offer or short deadline
Candidate: accepts
Company:
Candidate: renege
Company:

[vivid lintel]

So basically the gaokao

[pliant hawk]

Yup deadline was December. Now I have a final for another company

[thick ridge]

LeMickey

[abstract wagon]

Did you take it?

[abstract wagon]

LeEetcode

[shell skiff]

lol i have a question from a friend

do you need to know a lot about finance to get an internship in fintech

the answer is no right

[real nacelle]

corrext

[twilit mesa]

^^^

[real nacelle]

for the most part you don’t need to know financials at all

unless you are a trader or analyst

[twilit mesa]

i have a friend who got a fintech internship without knowning anything about finance

[stiff vessel]

quant firms will teach you relevant finance stuff in your first few weeks

[muted leaf]

https://www.amazon.jobs/en/jobs/1287454/audible-quality-assurance-engineer-internship
can someone confirm if this is the right link for audible?

[shell skiff]

thats a QA engineer internship

not SWE

[muted leaf]

There was a separate link for audible right

or was it aws that had a separate link??

[shell skiff]

audible is separate

[muted leaf]

ah i se

ty

[still gazelle]

its a lot easier to learn finance than it is to learn math/cs

it takes like 5 mins to learn the basics of options such as derivatives but if u wanna teach someone how to do a differential equation and they havent taken a calc class, its gonna take a while

[low epoch]

Yay but stick to ur guns

Contrary to the what the honesty police will say, imo dont say it’s because of another offer

Yeah honestly if u game theory this...refusing a call will prob increase odds of blacklist. A phone can only help but you’d have to be conniving about it

It’s ok, you are among equals 😎

[pastel bridge]

Has anyone gotten the Box takehome?

[vivid lintel]

Nah I only know of the exam, I did not grow up in china

[vivid lintel]

don't need to know anything beforehand, but showing an interest in the field obv doesn't hurt

I spent two summers in fintech and still don't understand much about finance

[cyan valley]

Question for people

After yoy intern at. A place

Do you change your LinkedIn header

To Ex Intern at that place

Or leave it there or remove it

@ me thanks

[abstract wagon]

@cyan valley remove

[pale coyote]

Remove

[silk swallow]

remove

[cyan valley]

Remove got it thanks

[cobalt raven]

some people do like | prev @ ___

[cyan valley]

Prev ok

Ik incoming is used before hand

[cobalt raven]

like <current status> | prev @ ___

[abstract wagon]

swe intern @ ajsdajf | prev retarded

[thick ridge]

when is a good time to email interviewer if they're late
5 minutes in?

[cyan valley]

LMAO

EX GOOGLE EX FACEBOOK EX AMAZON EX

@thick ridge yeah

[cobalt raven]

but no exes

[cyan valley]

Ask them if ur in the right

Thing

[hazy agate]

ex as in rejected

[cyan valley]

^ LMAOOO

[still gazelle]

nice username bro

wait ur boo

[abstract wagon]

yes

[flat vine]

what happens on the 26th

[abstract wagon]

too many people messaged me "hey boo"

[abstract wagon]

its a TOG reference smh

[obtuse otter]

no r word plz

[abstract wagon]

@obtuse otter my bad

prev not that smart

[obtuse otter]

yah it’s ez to forget

[still gazelle]

tower of god is so good

i stopped at like ch 170 i gotta start reading it again

im hyped for when bam gets to high ranker level

[tribal ridge]

Wasn't it getting an anime adaptation

[nova inlet]

Does what company you interned at really matter when you're applying at FAANG? Other than having interned at FAANG previously that is

[still gazelle]

it did

[vivid lintel]

There's basically two types of companies from a recruiter's perspective: companies with good brand name vs. no name companies

Good name as in good reputation in tech

So idt the specific company makes a huge difference unless the company you're applying to is niche and looks for specific exp

[nova inlet]

I see I see, so it's all reputation vs no reputation, not even necessarily the technologies that they use/ what they do

And good reputation I would imagine is good when trying to get into FAANG

[vivid lintel]

Tech would matter for smaller companies

But yea for faang it won't matter much

[vivid lintel]

For sure

[nova inlet]

Aye, any compiled list of 'good' company names?

Alright well I'll go look through FORTUNE and such, thanks @vivid lintel!

[vivid lintel]

wait I wanna be clear

reputation also includes like is the company known for doing cutting edge stuff, or is the company known for doing legacy tech stuff

if that's what you meant by "the technologies they use"

[nova inlet]

oh

so startups are a good thing if they're trying something new

[tacit halo]

As much as I hate to say it, levels.fyi

And ycombinator

Startups.jobs

Crunchbase

[nova inlet]

What the heck

[tacit halo]

Read TechCrunch

[nova inlet]

lol you sure know a lot o-o

[tacit halo]

Last 4 are for startups

Yeah been doing a lot of startup stuff lately

But for internships, if ur doing it purely for resume clout, levels.fyi all the way

[vivid lintel]

yea I just didn't want to give the impression that like Twitter and Exxon Mobil are on the same level just because they're both household names lol

[tacit halo]

It depends on who’s reading ur resume tbh

[nova inlet]

Oh I see I see - I'm afraid of going into a startup partly because I may not be taught to write 'good maintainable code' (good practices in general) - I'm not sure if it's not actually a worry that I should have

[tacit halo]

In the long terms startups are definitely the way to go

[nova inlet]

Yeah, I just have a 4 month Internship I can take during the summer - not long term :(

[vivid lintel]

Really depends on what you want. Are you willing to sacrifice a little pay/wlb to have significant impact? if so, startups are the way

but do note that a lot of startups fail

like 90%

they could still be a good experience tho

[tacit halo]

This really depends

A startup could be anything from a kid in a garage to an established unicorn like robinhood

[vivid lintel]

I mean yea, usually when people refer to startups they probably mean companies with like 50-100 employees

[tacit halo]

If it’s backed by a top vc fund, the odds of it going somewhere aren’t bad, but it’s nowhere near a guarantee

Andreesen Horowitz honestly has even more clout than faang

But by long term, I mean, like what do u plan to do after graduating

If ur trying to break into startups working at one as an intern could be a good experience

[tacit halo]

That would usually be series a or b

Which means they’ve raised anywhere from $5M-200M+

If they’ve raised a mega round chances are good that it’ll go somewhere

But in vc, the general rule is that 6 out of 10 investments fail to return the initial investment

3 out of 10 either return the amount invested or make a moderate return (1.5-4 times the initial investment)

And 1 out of 10 will make a mega return (10-100+ x return)

Of course this is more true at the seed and series a stage

But not for startups like robinhood

If ur at robinhoods stage, there’s a very high probability of a huge exit

Everyone is flocking to get on their cap table

[nova inlet]

I think that if I go into a startup to have a 'big impact' - it will be mostly accomplished by brain power and not by good coding practices, no?
I would imagine that the reason to get a 4 month internship was to learn as much as you can specifically when it comes to coding practices/structuring/maintainability, etc.

[stiff vessel]

depends on the startup

[still gazelle]

well do u think ud learn more by building new features or by debugging

[nova inlet]

I think I'd learn the same amount from both maybe

[stiff vessel]

every company has their own idea of what good practices are so i wouldn't worry about that

[nova inlet]

well that's true... darn

[stiff vessel]

doing an internship ur primary objective is to learn how to learn

thats what will keep u relevant in this field

[nova inlet]

I thought that if a company is huge, it must have a strong foundation, and the foundation is in part - uh - made with maintainable code, good practices, etc.

fair

What if I'm already comfortable... learning to learn

[stiff vessel]

wait are you deciding between companies right now

[narrow patrol]

wdym by levels exactly

just like every company on there?

[stiff vessel]

whats going on lol

[tacit halo]

Levels.fyi is a website for salary data

All the big ones

[nova inlet]

Deciding between types of companies yeah

[narrow patrol]

yea ik used it plenty of times

[tacit halo]

For me, I personally don’t care that much about coding practices

[narrow patrol]

just how would you use levels to filter good comapnies

are all the places on level good?

[stiff vessel]

between types of companies i see

[tacit halo]

Big companies use shitty coding practices all the time

[stiff vessel]

unless you have a specific industry interest i think it's always just best to go for internships with a perceived highest hiring bar

[tacit halo]

The relationships you’ll build are arguably the most important thing

[tacit halo]

Depends on ur immediate goals

[stiff vessel]

i disagree with that personally

[abstract wagon]

i agree with this

[tacit halo]

It’s definitely possible that google has a higher hiring bar than imc trading

[stiff vessel]

if you want an idea of 'perceived hiring bar', it generally tends to correlate with pay

[tacit halo]

Although the latter might be better

[nova inlet]

Welp I wonder how they stay relevant

[stiff vessel]

not an absolute rule but its a decent metric

[tacit halo]

To some extent yes

[stiff vessel]

levels.fyi internships tab will list those for you

[narrow patrol]

interesting, fr?

can i dm u

[tacit halo]

But there are definitely exceptions

[stiff vessel]

ya go for it

[stiff vessel]

i stated generally

[abstract wagon]

wait @stiff vessel where are you going? finance?

[tacit halo]

Amazon arguably has the lowest hiring bar out of all the faang

[stiff vessel]

citadel

[tacit halo]

But the pay is much much higher than google

[abstract wagon]

haha loser have fun at wall street

jk

[stiff vessel]

😦

finance simp

[tacit halo]

@stiff vessel would u take capital one or Microsoft?

[stiff vessel]

microsoft

[tacit halo]

Just hypothetically

Even though the former pays much more?

[narrow patrol]

bro cmon llol

[stiff vessel]

ya

[stone tiger]

I thought new grad pay for amazon is the lowest of all fang?

[stiff vessel]

c1 doesnt pay well new grad

[narrow patrol]

msft clearly better

lmao

[abstract wagon]

yah this is stupid

[tacit halo]

Capital one pays like 40% more

[stiff vessel]

the internship pay is an illusion

[abstract wagon]

@stiff vessel are you doing C++ stuff there?

[tacit halo]

Isn’t capital one still a respectable name in the industry tho?

[narrow patrol]

...

[low epoch]

Hiru said generally speaking

I will repeat

[stiff vessel]

yup yup

[low epoch]

He generalized

[pliant hawk]

yall looking at capital 1 or amazon. im jus looking for a job after i graduate

[nova inlet]

Ya'll got me all confused, so just apply to hard to get into companies, sounds good. Time to not get an internship 😂

[narrow patrol]

lmaooooo

🧢

[pliant hawk]

doesnt amazon get u in almost everywhere or is that jus in my head

[tacit halo]

What about amazon?

Amazon or Microsoft?

[stiff vessel]

again just a general rule, getting an internship at all is already impressive compared to an average pool of cs candidates (not here) so dont stress too much

[abstract wagon]

how about you get into one first

[tacit halo]

Yeah hiru’s right

[abstract wagon]

@abstract wagon i am speed

[low epoch]

I thought alex made startups

[tacit halo]

We’ve talked about quant and trust me u don’t need faang to get in

Ppl get in all the time from non targets without faang

[low epoch]

You dont “need” anything to “get” anywhere

[tacit halo]

Okay Jane Street is an exception

[neat tiger]

is that fucking citadel salary real

there is no way

[abstract wagon]

yes

[tacit halo]

Yeah it is

[neat tiger]

3000/week!!!

[tacit halo]

Yeah

[neat tiger]

with housing included in NYC??!??!

[abstract wagon]

u can imagine why my parents wanted to kick me out the house

[neat tiger]

bye

[tacit halo]

Yes this is true

[pliant hawk]

like top 1% prob work at citadel

[tacit halo]

Cold emailing got me funding

[neat tiger]

whose shitty VC startup do i need to listen to over a date to get an internship

[abstract wagon]

wrong

[tacit halo]

This is not the norm

[stiff vessel]

400k is outlier at citadel ***

[abstract wagon]

probably top 0.0001%

[pliant hawk]

[tacit halo]

Average is more like 280k

[stone tiger]

jump is 400k too

[tacit halo]

Okay this is an exaggeration

[stiff vessel]

400k is an outlier at jump too lol

[tacit halo]

That’s 1 in a million

[abstract wagon]

exctly

[tacit halo]

There aren’t even a million candidates

[abstract wagon]

u have to be 1 in a million to get in

[tacit halo]

No u don’t

[pliant hawk]

how many cs kids are there in the world

id say a million ?

[tacit halo]

260k

In the us

At any given time

Maybe 500k if u include ee

So less than a million

[low epoch]

[abstract wagon]

fine im wrong but i still got offers

[tacit halo]

Internationals really shouldn’t be thought of as competition

[abstract wagon]

so idc

[neat tiger]

what the FUCK. i'm shocked at citadel

[tacit halo]

Being a us citizen is a massive leg up

[pliant hawk]

before this discord i didnt know wtf capital one was

[low epoch]

The cs discord motto 😎

[abstract wagon]

let the tc talk

[tacit halo]

And we said that maybe 10% of CS majors do leetcode

And go for these companies

[neat tiger]

my friend just graduated my undergrad and took a position at Capital One

[stiff vessel]

if u have quant questions feel free to join #781278274612363314 community :>

[tacit halo]

So maybe 50000 people in total

[torn dagger]

only 10%?

jeez

[neat tiger]

says it's boring asf

[tacit halo]

Most CS majors don’t care about faang

[torn dagger]

true

[tacit halo]

It’s talked about all the time on this server

[abstract wagon]

@stiff vessel wait are you doing quant

[tacit halo]

Math and CS

[low epoch]

Alex isnt a cs major????!!!!!!

[tacit halo]

• math and CS

I am

[low epoch]

You’re not CS???!!!!

[tacit halo]

Minor

Math CS major

Data siens minor

[nova inlet]

[tacit halo]

And I have an upcoming data science interview at LinkedIn

[stiff vessel]

nah just swe

[abstract wagon]

i see

[stiff vessel]

the channel is more for the industry than the role

[abstract wagon]

@stiff vessel have fun doing OT loser

im out here chillin

[tacit halo]

@stiff vessel but as we said, quant isn’t necessarily much harder to get into than faang (in terms of resume screens at the very least)

[pliant hawk]

wait OT

[tacit halo]

That they’re more liberal?

And less rng?

[abstract wagon]

quant is absolutely harder tf

[nova inlet]

What's quant?

[tacit halo]

Like akuna has a lower resume bar than google I’d say

[stiff vessel]

my cit friends work 45 hr/wk tho

[abstract wagon]

@stiff vessel they baited u

[tacit halo]

Interviews are

But not necessarily resume screen

[stiff vessel]

dam they got me

[low epoch]

They called u into tower of god but u aint even resistant to shinsu

Sike

[abstract wagon]

when i walk by citadel at night and that one window has light shining through it ill know its u

[tacit halo]

Like didn’t we say that even trading probably has a lower resume bar than swe

Albeit much harder interviews

Quant resume screens are less rng

Than faang

Yes this is true

[pliant hawk]

[still gazelle]

gl bro

[terse torrent]

What am I reading

[low epoch]

ever since boba left

[terse torrent]

Has anyone done ebay phone

[low epoch]

The world imploded

[abstract wagon]

what is he? the avatar?

[terse torrent]

I feel like this entire channel just became more alexL-y

[low epoch]

mr emote was avatar
Boba was jesus

[terse torrent]

Even more so after he left

Or maybe I just noticed it more

[neat tiger]

ok someone tell me how i get into citadel. thx ❤️ love u

[humble saddle]

False

[terse torrent]

be joma

[abstract wagon]

this is why I like blind, you can't talk unless you're 400k TC

[terse torrent]

LOL

[tacit halo]

Akuna interviews a lot of ppl

[pliant hawk]

im sorry 400k?!?!?!?!?

[terse torrent]

I will never talk then

[tacit halo]

@stiff vessel can u confirm?

[low epoch]

Dont tag him peasant

[pliant hawk]

im tryna get 100k out of college

[muted leaf]

[terse torrent]

I'm just trying to get out of college

[humble saddle]

That’s 1 comp

[abstract wagon]

i just want docusign to interview me

-tc 200k expected

[loud hollow]

everyone woke up today and chose violence again

[terse torrent]

can it be u can't give advice without it

I would like some speech rights

[abstract wagon]

@loud hollow i am war

[stiff vessel]

confirm what

[tacit halo]

That trading interviews are easier to get than faang?

[pliant hawk]

[abstract wagon]

[narrow patrol]

what counts as big n

[terse torrent]

[low epoch]

Nintendo

[tacit halo]

Any company with clout in the Silicon Valley

[abstract wagon]

they didnt get 1st amendment right

[tacit halo]

That’s established

I guess

[silk ridge]

FLAMINGASS

[narrow patrol]

thats it?

[tacit halo]

Faangmulan

[limber hazel]

what does the I stand for in FLAMINGASS

[narrow patrol]

so that means one of Stripe/Square/Snap doesnt count

[abstract wagon]

indeed

[terse torrent]

Linkedin

[narrow patrol]

that make no sense

[terse torrent]

Lyft

[abstract wagon]

thats an i

[low epoch]

Lowes

[limber hazel]

maybe its a lower case l

[terse torrent]

That means rh doesn't count eitherr

:(

[narrow patrol]

^

and salesforce

[abstract wagon]

anything we get into is big n

[tacit halo]

Most prestigious company out there is probably either 5 rings or hrt

In my humble opinion

[terse torrent]

My friend got hrt internship

I got hrt shirts

[abstract wagon]

i got rejected at final

[abstract wagon]

rly hurt ngl

[tacit halo]

But I think hrt is starting to interview more non targets

They have a decent amount

[narrow patrol]

nah bro

[tacit halo]

Five rings is like exclusively mit and harvard

[narrow patrol]

its def cap 1

[abstract wagon]

not true

[tacit halo]

$700 a day

[narrow patrol]

no other company comes close to cap 1

[terse torrent]

Desudesudesu.io

[tacit halo]

$700 a day for an intern

[abstract wagon]

i interviewed at five rings

[strange elbow]

does Microsoft do off season

[narrow patrol]

cap 1 >> jane street

i reneged them for cap 1 bro

trust me

[tacit halo]

That’s a laptop everyday

[narrow patrol]

yuck

[neat tiger]

i wanted Jane Street so bad

[narrow patrol]

i only use $4000 mac

[stiff vessel]

i dont agree

[terse torrent]

Lol

[abstract wagon]

five rings? never heard of them. capital one? uwuwuwuwuwuw

[tacit halo]

It was mentioned a few times on the quant server tho

[terse torrent]

That's 35 ramens a day

[narrow patrol]

at HRT id need to work a whole week

for my side mac

smh

[terse torrent]

Bro I'd be eating good w that money

[narrow patrol]

im tellin u cap 1 is the move

🚀

[tacit halo]

Like if it’s akuna, imc, drw u don’t need a target or faang to get an interview

[abstract wagon]

🚀

[tacit halo]

I feel those are the most non target friendly

This isn’t false

[narrow patrol]

(if anyone couldnt tell i was memeing btw, this is how a lot of u act abt cap 1)

[tacit halo]

Like generous in terms of offering them to non target ppl?

Without faang?

[abstract wagon]

@sick lagoon which one?

[tacit halo]

Yeah this is true

[abstract wagon]

na thats not true

[tacit halo]

I have akuna on the 26

[abstract wagon]

can u dm me xyz

ill add u

[tacit halo]

I aced the mental math test

For trading

Got over 90% on the mental math test

[stiff vessel]

yall interns wild

new grad channel so much more calm

[tacit halo]

For trading there’s a mental math assessment

[pliant hawk]

theres a fkn math test