2021_summer

[tacit halo]

do cover letters even matter?

[abstract wagon]

or idk it sucks but if one does respond thats kind of poggies

[tacit halo]

could they increase your chances at all?

[still gazelle]

some shitty companies im applying to require them

usually the good companies dont require em

[abstract wagon]

if theyre shitty just bs a cover letter lol

[tacit halo]

like if you write a cover letter about why you're passionate about cs and why you love this company?

[abstract wagon]

na no one reads them

[still gazelle]

yeah man thats the goal

[tacit halo]

greenhouse usually lets you include them

[abstract wagon]

i dont include unless required

[still gazelle]

^

[tacit halo]

will a page about why youre so passionate about cs increase your chances of getting an interview?

[abstract wagon]

im no company bitch

they my bitch

[tacit halo]

if it isn't required does it do anything?

could it ever help?

[still gazelle]

no

u cant say ur passionate about cs

[tacit halo]

so is it likely that they dont even read it?

[still gazelle]

u just gotta suck the company off

they probably dont if its not required

[pliant hawk]

im doing this for riot games

das it

for next year*

[still gazelle]

ur cover letter is just ur resume + some dick riding

[tacit halo]

ever since i was 3 years old, i've been fascinated by the interworkings of payment systems, which is why stripe is so appealing to me. i would love to join a community where i will be responsible for crafting the future of online payments.

this

[still gazelle]

yeah

[tacit halo]

will doing this help?

[still gazelle]

its not worth it

[tacit halo]

so why do they even ask for it then?

[low epoch]

They dont ask

[tacit halo]

i mean make it optional

[pliant hawk]

talked with like a guy that does interviews for riot and he str78 up said put that you play games, nothing from resume. they jus want ppl that ghame. ima put i hagve 1k hrs in league

[tacit halo]

if no one is gonna read it

how come they let u submit it?

[still gazelle]

ok ur misunderstanding it

if its not required they wont read it

if its required theyll read it

[pliant hawk]

i started in march of 2020 cuz pandemic

[tacit halo]

if ur a top league player and u emphasize it, will it help?

for riot?

[pliant hawk]

not really top

[still gazelle]

itll be a funny joke kinda thing

[pliant hawk]

they jus want ppl that game

[low epoch]

Many job app forms also have the cover letter submission built in. Probably carried over from a template

[tacit halo]

like put t on your resume

[still gazelle]

"By the way, I'm diamond 1"

[split night]

I haven't met anyone who read a cover letter before

interviewer and recruiter alike

[still gazelle]

this credit karma job requires a cover letter so i gotta write one

[low epoch]

Just because anchovies are an optional topping on pizza doesnt mean u should order them

[tacit halo]

like for riot, could being a huge league player help?

[pliant hawk]

im bronze 1 50 lp rn

[abstract wagon]

credit karma doesnt require a cover letter

[tacit halo]

put it on your resume

make it super obvious

will they care?

i mean, that's real commitment

[pliant hawk]

now thats aids

[abstract wagon]

wait so how did i apply

[pliant hawk]

reddit was like that too for internship iirc

[abstract wagon]

[still gazelle]

idk man

[pliant hawk]

str8 to the recycle bin

[tacit halo]

i cold emailed my way into a reddit interview

[still gazelle]

yeah

[tacit halo]

not an offer

but its something

[abstract wagon]

wait no i did write one

[tacit halo]

i idnt even apply

[abstract wagon]

i wrote something super stupid

[still gazelle]

im going to talk about my passion for the intersection between finance and engineering

lmao

[tacit halo]

just did it cuz someone else did it on linkein

[marsh meadow]

reddit cant even have functional modern ui smh idk what's going on there

[tacit halo]

i mean, cover letters provide you a chance to redeem yourself

[abstract wagon]

no one reads them so

not redeeming anything

[tacit halo]

i mean, like college essays matter a lot

[abstract wagon]

thats different

[tacit halo]

that a well-written cover letter could make up for a lack of faang or target

[still gazelle]

i am down so fucking bad in terms of offers

[abstract wagon]

most recruiters will spend 6 seconds on your resume and dip

[still gazelle]

why do they hate freshmen so much

[abstract wagon]

@still gazelle cus they know ur gonna leave lool

[tacit halo]

the purpose of internships is to convert you to full time

most companies convert well over half of interns to full time

otherwise, it's a loss for the company

the company loses money on u if u dont convert

so, that's the only purpose of internships

[still gazelle]

yeah

i just really want an offer this summer cuz i need money

[tacit halo]

they have no reason to take freshman

[marsh meadow]

i mean it's not like a random recruiter genuinely cares about what's best for the company u just gotta recruit different as a freshman

[tacit halo]

startups might be a good option

[abstract wagon]

good luck man

[still gazelle]

i applied to the ycombinator ones

[tacit halo]

they follow guidelines

its not the recruiters choice

its the companys managements choice

[still gazelle]

like im literally willing to do 15/hr internships

[tacit halo]

ceos philosophy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> random recruiters opinion of you

[still gazelle]

its not like im asking for $45/hr

[junior elk]

have you heard back from any y combinator?

[abstract wagon]

just apply to everything u can

[still gazelle]

i just applied yesterday

[tacit halo]

@still gazelle cold email

[abstract wagon]

ull get something

[tacit halo]

this can work

[junior elk]

ah i see

[tacit halo]

seriously, 500 emails a day

not kidding

this is what i did

[still gazelle]

the farthest ive gone in the process was with two sigma

[tacit halo]

have you cold emailed yet?

[junior elk]

honestly, i think research might be my best option

[abstract wagon]

bitch just get two sigma then

[still gazelle]

im trying bro im leetcoding like a fiend

[tacit halo]

also, ill just say this bluntly, but lie about ur grad date

[abstract wagon]

go hard bro

[still gazelle]

fs bro

i can do a lot of lc mediums and most easies at this point

[junior elk]

alex won't they find out?

[tacit halo]

probably not

[vivid lintel]

@still gazelle when I was a freshman, I got my offer in March. Don't give up!

[marsh meadow]

they're not hard rules you'll find that you can break them or make the recruiter overlook them if you give them a reason. It's the same way how some high schoolers get internships at companies that don't have public hs intern initiatives.

[tacit halo]

i mean, u can graduate early

[abstract wagon]

for a freshman this is really good already keep it up

[still gazelle]

whered u get it at?

[vivid lintel]

It was a small local SaaS company

[tacit halo]

90% of the time, it's connections

[still gazelle]

thanks man im tryna go into quant finance so i gonna grind

[tacit halo]

family connections

[still gazelle]

local companies FTW man

[tacit halo]

nearly all high school internships are due to family connections

dont feel bad

or outreach programs

and there are those who cold email

[abstract wagon]

if you can do most mediums you got a good shot at quant finance especially junior year

[junior elk]

Kumquat how did you apply? did you cold email?

[still gazelle]

i havent even taken ds&a yet

[tacit halo]

but like i always say, don't generalize internships

[still gazelle]

i think after ds&a ill be able to do most mediums some hards

[abstract wagon]

yeah ull be op af

[vivid lintel]

I did cold apply, and it was literally the only company that got back to me lol

[tacit halo]

@still gazelle there are literally millions of companies out there and tehre is definitelyo at least one that will take u on

[still gazelle]

yeah man

[tacit halo]

@junior elk yes, cold email

[still gazelle]

i know my worth

[tacit halo]

cold email is the best way to get ur name out there

[still gazelle]

i just need to get past the resume screening and the freshman stigma

[tacit halo]

for startups or even big companies, cold emailing engineers and ceos can work

u can bypass recruiters

[junior elk]

Yeah i need to start, ive been putting it off for a while

[tacit halo]

but u must email a lot

[still gazelle]

i think im gonna start cold emailing next month for local companies

[abstract wagon]

i had a f500 freshman year just from applying on indeed and glassdoor

[tacit halo]

it's nowhere near too late

[abstract wagon]

got offer around march/april

[tacit halo]

look, i didn't even start applying to winter internships till this month!

i have final round interviews already

albeit with startups

[still gazelle]

@abstract wagon ur making me feel so much better bro 😄 thank u

[tacit halo]

i cold emailed thousands

literally thousands

500 emails a day

as i say

it's seriously the best strategy

[still gazelle]

what f500 @abstract wagon

[low epoch]

For the ycombinator startups u all applied to, is it for fall 2021?

[tacit halo]

if you cold email thousands, ur gonna get a lot of rejection

[abstract wagon]

yea bro i respect the grind. i did a lot of lc my freshman and soph year and i think thats a huge factor in how i got kinda far

[tacit halo]

but there is likely someone who will take u

[abstract wagon]

target lol

[marsh meadow]

the <1% success rate strategy lol

[tacit halo]

it's usually flexible

[still gazelle]

most summer 2021 some fall 2021

[still gazelle]

not bad man!!!

[junior elk]

who do you email at a company? Managers? engineers? Recruiters? the ceo?

[patent sluice]

i got two random f500's in march the past two years

[tacit halo]

they'll usually let u start at anytime

[abstract wagon]

yeah i was blessed considering i didnt have much exp

[still gazelle]

thats fuckin sick man

[patent sluice]

if you're still looking for an internship

[tacit halo]

yeah f500s recruit quite late

[still gazelle]

i am willing to take anything paid

[tacit halo]

when we talk about recruiting a year before, it's a very few select companies

[patent sluice]

i've had companies reach out to me for interviews as late as april

[still gazelle]

i see

[tacit halo]

if its paid, you're guaranteed to make at least $7.25 an hour

[patent sluice]

you will 100% find something, a lot of smaller companies don't start recruiting until feb

[tacit halo]

so far better than 0

[tacit halo]

this

[still gazelle]

great

[tacit halo]

if you

[still gazelle]

for smaller companies

[tacit halo]

if youre persistent enough, theres always something

[still gazelle]

im willing to cold email the engineers

[tacit halo]

it

it's never too late to find a company

*an internship

[still gazelle]

ive sent like 40 applications in the past week. i check for new jobs every day man

im literally obsessed

[tacit halo]

@junior elk for smaller companies and even f500s, email engineers first

for very early stage companies, email the founders

[junior elk]

When you email do you ask for an internship or to work as contractor?

[still gazelle]

internship

[tacit halo]

usually say internship

[still gazelle]

be straight up

[abstract wagon]

@still gazelle u have react & node knowledge? i might be able to connect u with a ceo of a nyc startup

[tacit halo]

be blunt

[still gazelle]

yes

[tacit halo]

and then negotiate pay later

[abstract wagon]

ill dm u

[tacit halo]

here's the thing. there are 30 million registered companies in the us

that's a big number

out of them, there is definitely one that will say yes

just trying to deliver some hope

and f500's actually seem to have less structured internship recruiting processes than faang

since it's not a big focus of theirs

for them, cold emailing an engineer (ideally an alumni of ur school) and asking them to create an internship for u can work

these companies have big budgets

and lots of departments

[still gazelle]

additionally, starting this semester im doing natural language processing research

Another boost to the resume

[tacit halo]

these things, like internships and contract work are usually handled by like a regional manager

@still gazelle if u need help cold emailing, i'll give u unlimited free consulting

we will get you something good this summer

i promise

[still gazelle]

alr man preciate it!

[tacit halo]

and we will get you quant after ur junior year

i'll use whatever resources i have to help u

[still gazelle]

im worried cuz if i dont find smth im gonna be struggling to pay for basic shit next sem

[tacit halo]

and anyone else on this server

[tacit halo]

we're not even gonna think about that

we're gonna be optimistic

[still gazelle]

ill have to work 40hrs at smoothie king again

[tacit halo]

and find you something

[still gazelle]

yessir

[tacit halo]

how necessary is the money?

[patent sluice]

what year are you rn?

[still gazelle]

❤️

freshman

[tacit halo]

can u afford unpaid?

and i never recommend unpaid

[still gazelle]

unpaid is a last resort

[tacit halo]

never o it

*never do it

unpaid is literally worthless

[still gazelle]

like if im down that bad

ill do it

[tacit halo]

i know some ways to make even bigger money online, but they take time and aren't good if u need immediate money. it takes several months to start seeing results. i was gonna recommend affiliate marketing and freelance consulting, but it takes time to make money, but it's totally doable

an internship or job will provide u with immediate pay

and given that this is a rare skillset, i think u could negotiate a pretty fair rate

for a freelance developer, the standard rate is $50-100 per hour

[still gazelle]

i see

[tacit halo]

freelance might be an option

[junior elk]

isn't freelance dev very saturated?

[tacit halo]

i've found some freelance gigs honestly by reaching out to a lot of businesses

[junior elk]

like if you go on fiverr or upwork

[tacit halo]

it is, but that's why good marketing is essential

[tacit halo]

i don't recommend these sites

they're full of really low quality work

and ur gonna get ripped off

[junior elk]

yeah but you gotta get experience somehow

[tacit halo]

like, $1 an hour is honestly the norm on there

[abstract wagon]

@junior elk u a freshman?

[junior elk]

yeah

[tacit halo]

i once did an upwork project in high school

developed an android app from scratch

[abstract wagon]

very seriously if you keep applying and have skills you'll get some interviews before next summer

[tacit halo]

probably put in over 200 hours

[abstract wagon]

u just gotta convert them from there

[tacit halo]

guess how much i made

$11

[junior elk]

damn

[tacit halo]

yep, comes out to less than 5 cents an hour

[junior elk]

basically upaid

[tacit halo]

and then the client pretty much fell off the face of the earth

was never able to get in contact with them again

[junior elk]

thanks, im trying to build my skills with projects

[tacit halo]

one or two good side projects is more than enough

to demonstrate experience

[still gazelle]

puff i added u bro

[tacit halo]

but if anyone needs advice on this, just message me

i'm willing to provide unlimited free consulting

[still gazelle]

Lets try to work together to get some offers

Freshman unite

[tacit halo]

i have 385 unread dm's

[junior elk]

ayy

[abstract wagon]

@silk ridge lets work together to get argo ai

[tacit halo]

and i'm committed to answering them all

[junior elk]

freshman gang

[tacit halo]

i had 732 on monday

so i'm getting through them

[obtuse otter]

did having an internship help a lot for recruiting

[tacit halo]

most are just basic questions

[silk ridge]

bro the oa was so easy how are they gonna cut anyone after that

[abstract wagon]

@obtuse otter i think it did personally

[tacit halo]

but i'm willing to provide long term help if necessary

[abstract wagon]

@silk ridge i dont think that many people got invited tbf

[junior elk]

i think most will be answered when you release that blog post lol

[abstract wagon]

maybe we'l all get offers

:^)

[tacit halo]

but my inbox is always open

@junior elk @still gazelle you will get good offers

i promise

it might take a few weeks

but what you're gonna do is start cold emailing companies. it's gonna take a lot of emails. but it's gonna happen

cold emailing is how i got startup funding

i literally emailed hundreds of angel investors

[junior elk]

do you think i should leave my extracirrclurs on my resume when emailing?

[abstract wagon]

@junior elk @still gazelle if you're gonna do unpaid though (last resort) maybe consider thoughtspot

[tacit halo]

out of all the angel investors i emailed, nearly 60% gave me a no

so there's a lot of rejection out there

but rejection is part of life

and don't let one rejection define you

or even hundreds

persistence is the key

there are 7 billion people out there with 7 billion new opportunities available. they're there

[tacit halo]

depends on the extracurricular

if it's something that shows leadership, then yes

or cs related

look, i don't like buzzwords, but companies do

[still gazelle]

bet

[tacit halo]

having leadership honestly will help you

[junior elk]

Mostly robotics stuff from hs.

[abstract wagon]

i think its good to have

[junior elk]

But now im trying to learn the software side of robotics with ros

[abstract wagon]

some companies specifically look for robotics ppl

[junior elk]

robotics freshman tho?

maybe when im a junior its more feasilble

[tacit halo]

yeah, i'd include it

[abstract wagon]

still a plus

[tacit halo]

not freshman tho

mostly recent stuff

emphasizing robotics is what helped me get into a few robotics startups

and even get the amazon robotics recruiter to recognize me

[junior elk]

I'm thinking i should make a seperate resume for robotics/embedded

[tacit halo]

as a freshman in college, you're not expected to have experience

so high school stuff is perfectly acceptable

yeah, i would do that

i have approximately 26 different resume templates

for different purposes

although admittedly many of them were for one time use

[junior elk]

that's alot

[tacit halo]

like company specific

most were for one time use

like for specific programs

and i never planned to touch them again

i have created a few company specific resumes

for some companies this is advisable

like spotify

[junior elk]

like so they pick up on keywords?

[tacit halo]

if your resume doesn't convey your passion for spotify, you're gonna get rejected

[tacit halo]

yes

for the most part

and also to change up the graphics a bit

[junior elk]

One last question, how many people should i email from 1 company

[tacit halo]

Depends on the size of the company

If it’s a really small startup just the founder

If it’s a Fortune 500, at least 10

[junior elk]

10 different engineers?

[tacit halo]

Yep

Assume a low response rate

So it’s honestly the only option

[junior elk]

should i still contact recruiters or is it not worth it?

[tacit halo]

Not worth it

Recruiters are literally useless at this point

Actually contact engineering managers

They have hiring authority

[junior elk]

hmmm maybe that's why i haven't heard anything

ive only contacted recruiters

[tacit halo]

Yeah recruiters are literally useless

They can’t create positions for u

They’re literally just human robots who read ur resume

[junior elk]

but engineers do have authority?

[tacit halo]

Senior engineers should

Engineering managers ideally

Just look them up on LinkedIn

Not with cold emails

They’re useless if ur cold emailing for a role

[silver fulcrum]

^ agree

[tacit halo]

That doesn’t exist

I’m talking about applying for a role that doesn’t exist

No, I mean asking companies to create an internship for u

[abstract wagon]

@thin scroll give us a template bro

this im interested in

[tacit halo]

Asking recruiters to move u forward after applying is different

But I’m referring to a situation where there’s no publicly posted role

And ur asking them to create an internship for u

[abstract wagon]

????

yeah wtf lol

[fallen vessel]

If you had a a choice between Walmart Labs and Citrix, which one would be better to intern at?

[tacit halo]

Like let’s say a company doesn’t have internships posted on they’re website

But they might still be open to it

[abstract wagon]

like who

[tacit halo]

This has worked with startups

Lots of startups

I literally just cold emailed them about interning

[abstract wagon]

bro weren't we talking about f500s

[tacit halo]

And f500s as well

It’s been done

People have cold emailed for internships

[abstract wagon]

f500s will NOT make a new role for you

[tacit halo]

It’s been done

They might

[tame ridge]

internship pro tip: search up "I'm excited to announce" on LinkedIn and look at the recruiters mentioned after the"I would like to thank" text. I've had succcess getting interviews by cold emailing some of the recruiters people have posted.

[abstract wagon]

they absolutely will not

please dont spread fake news

[tacit halo]

Engineering managers determine the needs for their team

I’m not saying it’s a guarantee

But we shouldn’t dismiss it

It could potentially work

It really doesn’t hurt to try

[abstract wagon]

wait lmfao i love this

[tacit halo]

Email hundreds, even thousands of engineers, and it could be done

Even midsize companies could create a role for you

[abstract wagon]

has anyone done that for you

[tacit halo]

Midsize meaning like maybe a few hundred employees

[abstract wagon]

which f500

[tacit halo]

Not f500

But a lot of startups

And I saw posts online about it

Let me link you

https://hirescholars.com/how-to-cold-email-for-an-internship/

[abstract wagon]

?

they will not

make

a

role

just

for

you

.

[tacit halo]

https://2by22.blog/how-to-cold-email-for-competitive-internships-step-by-step-guide/

500 is a lot of companies

Even f2000 is still good

Even if 499 reject you, that’s still an offer

[tulip jay]

anyone doing the Shopify back-end challenge?

[abstract wagon]

sorry dude you're being kind of obtuse

i dont think what im saying is getting through

[tacit halo]

I’m saying that we shouldn’t generalize

There are millions of companies out there

Cold emailing has to work at at least one

[still gazelle]

yeah but the question is if its worth our time

[tacit halo]

https://olinblog.wustl.edu/2017/11/perfect-cold-email/

[abstract wagon]

i think ur the one generalizing

[still gazelle]

we dont have infinite time to leetcode and cold email

[tacit halo]

Yes

It doesn’t hurt to try

It really doesn’t

I would at least try

There’s nothing to lose

[still gazelle]

i think you should cold email if you really like the company/role

[abstract wagon]

ur a smart kid i think you know what to do lol

[tacit halo]

I’ve dedicated entire days to cold emailing

I can send thousands in a single day

I can’t imagine any of us are that packed

I’m working on many startups and other things

I spend at least half my time fucking around

But stuff still gets done

Also create a bot

Like an auto sender

That just replaces the name

[tulip jay]

they've worked with bigger companies though?

[tacit halo]

Create a spreadsheet of companies

Create one tab where you specify why you’re interested in each specific company

For efficiency you can group them by categories

Like finance, consumer goods

And then use ur bot to replace names

[simple saffron]

what up noobs

[tacit halo]

And have it mass cold email

[abstract wagon]

@simple saffron die

[simple saffron]

while yall losers are cold emailing im sendin them hot

get on my level

[tacit halo]

If we define a large company as any company with a valuation in excess of $100M, that’s a lot of companies and it definitely has worked

[abstract wagon]

@simple saffron whats your success rate look like

when i send hot emails with feet pics i get blocked idk why

[unreal anchor]

#random

^^^

[simple saffron]

100%. i sent my granny a merry christmas email and she emailed me back

[tacit halo]

Literally over 65% of the companies I email for internships flat out reject or ghost me

[low epoch]

greatest comment i've read on this discord

[tacit halo]

I still find things

Just being persistent is what helps

I’ve sent thousands upon thousands of cold emails

And I’ve still found opportunities

[junior elk]

Can you give an example of an email you've sent?

[tacit halo]

Yes. I’m posting them on my blog rn

Will drop the link

[junior elk]

alright cool

[still gazelle]

imagine the companies seeing the blog

[low epoch]

imagine companies clicking resume links

[still gazelle]

“so he automated that email! i thoght he was genuinely interested in the position!”

[abstract wagon]

@low epoch i baited them into opening my gdoc resume

[still gazelle]

bro imagine posting a keylogger download in your resume

[low epoch]

jebaited

[still gazelle]

then getting the passwords of the recruiter on their portal

then passing urself to the next round

[simple saffron]

top level strats

[still gazelle]

300IQ

[abstract wagon]

forget next round

OFFER

[low epoch]

wrinkly brain people here

[tacit halo]

I do this for the good of society

[still gazelle]

“hey mark whys that intern kid making 200 an hour”

[tacit halo]

I blog about stuff

Life

Experience

Getting rejected

[abstract wagon]

can this go on random

[tacit halo]

All sorts of stuff

[low epoch]

"this is chik fil a not hrt"

[abstract wagon]

literally no one cares

no offense

[tacit halo]

But here’s my basic recruiter email

Hi Recruiter,

My name is Alex, and I'm a CS student at [school]. I applied to [role name] back in [date] and I haven't heard back yet. I found your profile on LinkedIn and I figured you could be of help. I’m currently interviewing at at [...] and have an offer to work at [small hedge fund I’m interning at] and I would love to have an opportunity to be considered for the position at [company] as the recruiting season is coming to an end soon. Attached is my resume for your consideration!

I look forward to hearing from you soon,

Alex

@still gazelle @junior elk

Also, check out startups.jobs

There are over 1000 internships on there

And use angellist!

[pliant hawk]

if the recruiter said i got offered for SWE intern role but this is the "Official" title in worksday. Can i still put swe intern on resume

[junior elk]

@tacit halo Thanks Alex

[simple saffron]

yes

[abstract wagon]

i think you can ask them @pliant hawk normally its fine but i like to be sure

[still gazelle]

congrats!

[pliant hawk]

ty guys

[abstract wagon]

& yea congrats

[dusky cobalt]

CONGRATS!!

[abstract wagon]

rejection gang no mo

[low epoch]

bibbzz

[pliant hawk]

[tacit halo]

No problem

[simple saffron]

LFGGGGG

[tacit halo]

I hat company is this?

[pliant hawk]

Kohls for milpitas hq but prob remote

my free housing

[tacit halo]

Congratulations

[pliant hawk]

ty

[tacit halo]

Wait, aren’t things gonna be remote?

[abstract wagon]

yooo hf, i heard good things

[low epoch]

90% yes remote alex

90% chance

[tacit halo]

I really cannot imagine much being in person

[pliant hawk]

cali gotta pump those numbers UP so we can be in person

[tacit halo]

If outdoor dining is against the law here

[low epoch]

yeah i want to be in person, just aint the same otherwise

they're not giving me housing, just some reduced price options that are covered with my sign on bonus (if i have 1 roommate)

[abstract wagon]

maybe ull see mr emote or boba in person

[low epoch]

well i guess that means "covered housing" idk

[pliant hawk]

[tacit halo]

Never understood the purpose of housing stipends.

Internship pay is already more than the vast majority of families make

[abstract wagon]

some of us have college debt

that we have to pay off

not all of us have money to donate

[tacit halo]

No, I mean the internship salary should be more than enough to cover housing and living expenses

And sent

*debt

Most jobs in the real world don’t provide housing stipends

People pay off their debt over time

Most people would be thrilled to make $15 an hour

[low epoch]

yes, any and all pay should be more than enough to cover housing for all people

but that is not the world we live in

[abstract wagon]

most jobs have recurring bonus

does your internship?

[humble saddle]

that’s why tech is so lucrative

[tacit halo]

Full time doesn’t offer housing stipends

[thick ridge]

i mean some people volunteer at hospitals
they don't make any money so we shouldnt either right?

[tacit halo]

It’s like interns have it better than full time

[abstract wagon]

they make enough to not need it

[humble saddle]

Um what

[tacit halo]

Why doesn’t full time offer a housing stipend?

[low epoch]

well, we're talking about internships; i would imagine most non-tech internships provide housing if the company's big

[abstract wagon]

?????

[thick ridge]

u get relo

[abstract wagon]

lmfao dude wth

i feel like im on fucking drugs

so much nonsense

[tacit halo]

Since if ur full time less of ur money is saved

[low epoch]

same

[tacit halo]

If ur an intern u can easily save half ur pay

But don’t interns get free housing and food?

Not housing

[unreal anchor]

Once again

#random

[thick ridge]

10x intern

[tacit halo]

Like capital one intern pays more than full time

[thick ridge]

that's just false

[still gazelle]

no they make a bit less

[abstract wagon]

100x intern

[tacit halo]

Roughly the same then

[humble saddle]

they pay almost the same, but that’s just one company

[still gazelle]

like 15-20% less

[tacit halo]

Like I heard new grad is 100k

Intern is also in that range

[still gazelle]

it depends on location man

[tacit halo]

So roughly the same

[still gazelle]

sf intern = low CoL full time

[tacit halo]

110k full time

[thick ridge]

bro glassdoor is never right

[abstract wagon]

yo can u keep your controversial ideas to random

[humble saddle]

you literally just named 1 company

[unreal anchor]

idk if they're controversial lol

[abstract wagon]

ok true

its just fake news

[sonic badger]

Neither is level fyi ngl

[abstract wagon]

my bad * can you keep your fake news to random*

[sonic badger]

But at least as far as I've seen they undershoot

[real nacelle]

tbf some companies do inflate their intern salaries closer to their new grad to try to get better talent

[tacit halo]

109k entry level

[real nacelle]

but I dont think that is what Alex was talking about lmao

[unreal anchor]

what is your point

[tacit halo]

I’m not sure

[unreal anchor]

explain it to me in #random

^^^

[tacit halo]

I’m going to compete full time to intern now

[marsh burrow]

banks always pay interns close to their new grad full time salary. Usually 80-90 percent

[still gazelle]

it depends on CoL

intern SF = plano full time

[tacit halo]

Roughly the same then

[abstract wagon]

#random

[tacit halo]

At least for Virginia

For banks, salary full time won’t be drastically higher than intern

Let me check JP Morgan

[low epoch]

#random

[abstract wagon]

#random

now i get why everyone left

[tacit halo]

Well, I guess what I was trying to say is that it’s likely that interns can save a higher percentage of their income than full time can, especially when living expenses are covered by the stipends.

But anyways that’s it

[runic tinsel]

are companies usually strict with the 1 year cooldown

would 10.5 months not cut it?

[abstract wagon]

1 year

😦

I think you have to wait it out

as stupid as it is

[runic tinsel]

crap

waymo's gonna be done by then

(2nd march)

[abstract wagon]

wait wdym

we're interns

[tacit halo]

Some will just not let you apply

[abstract wagon]

there's no 1 yr cooldown

[tacit halo]

Like amazon

[runic tinsel]

my recruiter explicitly said 1 year

[abstract wagon]

gg

[runic tinsel]

i could only get thru one question in the interview so yeah didn't do great

[tacit halo]

Cooldowns seem quite standard

[runic tinsel]

so even 10.5 months wont cut it right

[tacit halo]

If you fail an interview yeah there’s a cool down

[abstract wagon]

im gonna say no chief 😦

[tacit halo]

Yeah they’ll probably be quite strict about it

Knowing recruiters

[lethal ore]

Wait is this for Amazon?

[abstract wagon]

waymo

[tacit halo]

They’re probably quite strict about this

[lethal ore]

Ok I almost freaked out lol

[abstract wagon]

@runic tinsel u can try to contact your recruiter next year before new grad though, doesnt hurt to try

especially since you have good exp on your resume

i dont see why they wouldnt want good talent

[thick ridge]

yeah I feel like if you have a recruiter contact it doesnt rlly apply

cuz they can just pull ur application from the pool

[craggy gyro]

hey I have been applying for summer since end of december. I have applied almost 100 companies but still has not get any reply

anyone can help me with it

[simple saffron]

it be like that

but seriously id check out #resume and make sure your resume looks good

that's the first step to getting looks

[tacit halo]

Yeah, the best thing is probably to contact recruiters at these companies

[marsh burrow]

december is pretty late for this recruiting cycle

[tacit halo]

And see if they can move you forward

[marsh burrow]

more companies will open up

in spring

[tacit halo]

No companies are still hiring

Plenty of big n’s recruit till March

[marsh burrow]

oh did not know that

[tacit halo]

If you don’t have anything by April that’s when I’d start to get worried

[marsh burrow]

what big Ns

[tacit halo]

@craggy gyro definitely post your resume here. We can help review it

[tacit halo]

Faang, other large tech companies

[craggy gyro]

how hard to get coop for summer 2021?

[tacit halo]

Still doable

I can provide some cold email advice

Cold emailing startups can work as well

[marsh burrow]

Is bloomberg done hiring? Someone told me they filled up but their app is still open

[craggy gyro]

@tacit halo thanks man I will send it by tomorrow. it’s in my laptop

[tacit halo]

Okay. Happy to help

[craggy gyro]

does covid affect the hiring ?

[tacit halo]

It honestly depends on the companies

For smaller companies it definitely hurt

For big companies it might have actually helped since their stocks have gone up so much

And people are becoming more reliant on them

But yeah happy to help u find something

[craggy gyro]

thanks dude for helping meI will send you resume by tomorrow

[sand bison]

hey, does anyone know of companies that hire freshmen

[thick ridge]

mostly freshman programs, but you can get lucky with faang if your resume stands out, i. e. amazon cuz the process is mostly automated

I wouldn't bank on it though and I'd reach out to startups

[sand bison]

ye currently working at a startup and not loving it

[cyan valley]

Can I get a 🙏 in the chat

[sand bison]

but thank you!

[pulsar shadow]

🙏 I got you panda

[cyan valley]

That simulation

was kinda cool

[pulsar shadow]

p*rn level of acting tho

[cyan valley]

looooooooooool

[potent creek]

the simulation was hella corny

it made me laugh while i was doing it

[loud hollow]

i thought it was really cool

i enjoyed the code review part

except u had to keep opening and closing the code 😐

[cyan valley]

^^^

Yehhh

It was unique

Rather than fuckin

leetcode over and over and over

[tacit halo]

Mostly startups but there are a lot of good ones, especially recently funded startups

Also a few f500 companies may be open to freshman

As well as local companies

For big n’s it’s very very rare if ur resume says freshman

But cold emailing is always an option

[loud hollow]

i saw a freshman post on linkedin that they got bloomberg

[tacit halo]

I can provide some guidance here

[sand bison]

welp

[tacit halo]

I was able to cold email my way into many well paying startups

[muted leaf]

@cyan valley what's your score on OAs so far?

[tacit halo]

Very very rare

[cyan valley]

@muted leaf Dogshit 😢

[sand bison]

did you find on angel.co?

[cyan valley]

I wiffed

[muted leaf]

welp you got through it so!!!!

🙏

[tacit halo]

Angellist is a good resource

I’ve found plenty of places willing to hire interns

[hasty pulsar]

I know someone

who got bloomberg as freshmen too

but its obvs exceptional talent

[marsh burrow]

did anyone get the Amazon OA within a week of applying? or did everyone have to wait for months

[cyan valley]

@marsh burrow 2months for me

[split fractal]

yeah 4 months here too

except my job moved to another role weirdly and I've got ghosted after the OA

[muted leaf]

maybe you aced bro

how long has it been?

or did you already get the offer

[split fractal]

Finished on Dec 24.

Job moved to some different role Dec. 28th

no contact since then

others who finished OAs like start of this year have already heard back on final interview

[muted leaf]

you might want to contact a recruiter or something

what i heard is moving to another role is almost like getting accepted

[split fractal]

that's only after you do your interview

i haven't done any interview yet

lol

[muted leaf]

so like if they're weighing you with other candidates might as well push them to decide

oh

[split fractal]

yeah I emailed them they always send a generic response back. The [e-mail] one

idk who to contact

[split fractal]

thanks, just sent it to that

[tacit halo]

Yeah just emphasize ur situation and that you haven’t heard back and they’ll probably respond

I got kinda a generic response

But at least helped confirmed a few details

You know I counted a total of 113 amazon offers in this server

That’s a lot

[cyan valley]

u spend ur time

counting amazon offers

what the heck.

[split fractal]

you can just do this lol, don't think he actually "counted" them

[tacit halo]

I only looked in intern processing channel

And counted out anything that wasn’t a process offer

On the other hand there are only 55 rejects

[earnest musk]

those are 55 REPORTED rejects

[tacit halo]

So in this channel more people get amazon than are rejected

[earnest musk]

alot of people will get rejected and not bring it up lol

i just got three rejects in teh span of an hour and i wont bring it up

[tacit halo]

For other companies it’s different

[earnest musk]

yeah i guess im just not built different

[dapper shard]

swear ive gotten a lot of rejections that i just don't post in the process form anymore

[tacit halo]

Like for Spotify there are a ton of rejects

No offers

[cyan valley]

imagine posting in process

💀

[tacit halo]

Spotify has a 100% reject rate here

[dapper shard]

process form was great when it was earlier in the season and you could see exactly where the interview process was and who was making it along quickly and who wasn't

its pretty saturated now though

[tacit halo]

Let’s create a new one then

[cyan valley]

Yeah u can do

search for people

who are on diff stages

to ask em q uestions if uh aveany

[dapper shard]

i mean why? what would even be the purpose?

[tacit halo]

Just set a cutoff date

I guess the process form let’s u know where u are in the process and whether to expect an oa

I just had an idea. What about a process form that asks for exact dates and verification screenshots and rewards people with bitcoin

That’s an idea I had

Could be really useful

[dapper shard]

and who would even supply the bitcoin

[cyan valley]

^

he would

u know

he bought his way into usc

[tacit halo]

We each contribute GPU space

Honestly if we all donated our GPU space we could probably mine some bitcoin

There’s 14000 people here

Which is a lot

[cyan valley]

and no one is gonna listen

cuz ur 🤡

[tacit halo]

!process repl.it reject

[small fossil]

You can only use this command in #2021_grad_process or #2021_intern_process

[tacit halo]

Don’t say that

I’m rellly not

[cyan valley]

"i bought way into usc"

lost my respect g

[dapper shard]

don't tell me he actually said that...

[tacit halo]

Look. I have a good gpa

[dapper shard]

i mean

[tacit halo]

And I didn’t bribe the coach

[dapper shard]

nothing wrong with that

if you have the means then good for you

[tacit halo]

I have an A- average

[cyan valley]

he said that

LMFAO

[tacit halo]

My gpa is the equivalent of an A-/B+ average

So it’s not that bad

[dapper shard]

aye good for you if you have the means to do it. means you get a college education

[tacit halo]

I mean, my philosophy is to never pass on any opportunity in life

And we can’t deny that legacy admissions are a thing. It’s simply a fact, and legacies are likely to donate

Did it help?

I don’t know

[low epoch]

Imma be honest, ethically there’s much worse things. And if u use your big bucks as an adult to do good things for others, it will balance out

You don’t seem like a bad dude

[tacit halo]

Yeah, there’s a fine line between simply taking advantage of an opportunity that is available to you and flat out cheating

Look, I acknowledge, I’m a bit immature

But I’m also young

And I have time to improve

[low epoch]

But if you ever turn back on people who are not in a privileged position and assume they simply “have not worked hard enough” then u are in a pickle sir. We call that the “tech ceo attitude”

You’re probably not that much younger than this crowd

[tacit halo]

Know, I believe that circumstances play a huge role. I’ve dedicated so much of my time to trying to create opportunities for people in these situations and I’m pretty outspoken on this.

Like I’m a proponent of affirmative action

And it got me quite a bit of backlash

Really don’t want to get into this

[muted leaf]

bro

wrong channel

[sage nexus]

u sure ?

[tacit halo]

Okay it’s a story for another day

[ornate pendant]

I got 5/7 on oa 1, 24/26 on oa 2 and thought I did ok on oa 3

But I still got rejected from amazon sde intern

[tacit halo]

Oa3 matters a lot

It’s the most ambiguous but it tests culture fit

So that’s definitely it

Ur oa1 and oa2 scores are well past the threshold

Oa3 was weird

[ornate pendant]

I basically memorized the 14 leadership principles

[tacit halo]

Yeah there’s definitely an rng factor

[ornate pendant]

Idk how to do better next time

[tacit halo]

Did u always put the customer first?

[ornate pendant]

Yeah lmao

[tacit halo]

In oa3?

Over deadlines

Then yeah probably rng then

[ornate pendant]

Most important ld principle imo

[tacit halo]

It’s happened to many others

Or it’s possible that maybe even one incorrect oa3 question could be the reason

[ornate pendant]

Damn I’m just in a state of shock

[tacit halo]

Since they really prioritize culture fit

I’d say oa3 is the most important

[ornate pendant]

I saw others with lower scores get an interview

Do they look at resumes again after oa 3?

[nova knoll]

Yeah those behavioral tests if you aren’t in a certain percentile or certain personality and stuff auto reject

[ornate pendant]

Would it be worthwhile for me to email them to ask why I got rejected?

[tacit halo]

No it’s just oa’s after that

[nova knoll]

Lol they won’t respond

[tacit halo]

But for behavior test they likely have a very strict threshold

[ornate pendant]

I tried to answer the questions the “correct” way

[tacit halo]

Probably not you’ll just get an automated response

[ornate pendant]

But looks like I didn’t lmao

[tacit halo]

For behavioral tests even one question could throw it off

They’re very sensitive to these things

Like for oa1 honestly a 0 is fine

[nova knoll]

Lowkey I bet they track time to answer question as well

[tacit halo]

For oa2 50% is fine

For oa3 it must be perfect

That’s my observation

For personality tests one question could throw off the result

And maybe u either do or don’t have a certain personality

Near perfect at least

If u get rejected with near perfect oa1 and oa2 scores it’s definitely oa3

[ornate pendant]

Damn is it ok if I reapply?

[tacit halo]

6 month cool down

But u can still apply to other amazon roles

Like robotics

Aws

Twitch

[ornate pendant]

Do they have a timer or smthing?

[tacit halo]

Audible

Yeah they do

6 months is strict

[ornate pendant]

Ah r those harder to get in?

[tacit halo]

So u can reapply for fall

[tacit halo]

Not necessarily

[ornate pendant]

Twitch seems to only have 2 recruiters

[tacit halo]

Fall should be out by late may maybe

[ornate pendant]

For their university program

[tacit halo]

I found like 10 on LinkedIn

Okay maybe 2 university

But for twitch a referral could help

And it’s honestly not that hard to get

Just email engineers and say ur really interested

But twitch only takes like 50 interns

[ornate pendant]

Damn I got a perfect score on the twitch oa

But I’ll prolly get reject again

[tacit halo]

Just email a recruiter

It should help

[ornate pendant]

If twitch takes that little pple

[tacit halo]

But probably far less people apply

Since it’s less well known

Amazon probably takes like 3000

[ornate pendant]

Did u get their emails off LinkedIn?

[tacit halo]

Yeah

Hunter.io

[ornate pendant]

I see thanks

[tacit halo]

6 people in this server got a twitch offer

So out of 50 that’s a pretty big deal

[ornate pendant]

Who told u theres 50 interns

Ish

[tacit halo]

Someone in the other server who was interviewing there

Forgot who

And the number has been thrown around quite a bit

Also looked on LinkedIn

[muted leaf]

after final interview for amazon, do they take all OAs and final interview into consideration or just the final interview 🤔

[dapper shard]

Yeah twitch takes about 45-50 interns

[tacit halo]

Honestly just the final

Actually someone describes it like this

If u do really bad on the oa’s u get rejected

If u do so so the interview is another chance to redeem urself

If u do excellent it’s basically just to verify it’s u who took the oa

There was some reddit post

Can’t find it

But basically it’s described as a red flag a yellow flag and a green flag

That’s how I remembered it

Just search it up

I’ll look

Can probably find it

[ornate pendant]

Interesting perspective I thought that they took the interview more seriously which was why I prepared for my oas 1 and 2 seriously

[tacit halo]

It’s honestly been said that out of all the faang companies amazon is by far the easiest to get

[tacit halo]

Culture fit is extremely important so they’re looking for ways to filter it out

Amazon is by far one of the most known companies

So they receive a lot of applicants

But they hire like crazy

It’s literally one of the richest companies in the world

But I wouldn’t be surprised if millions apply

So unfortunately they’re just using arbitrary methods to filter out applicants

[craggy shuttle]

still no OA

[muted leaf]

why do they always gotta yell to check if you're a veteran or not 😔

for

papal

paypal

https://jobsearch.paypal-corp.com/en-US/search?keywords="software engineer intern"&location=&facetcountry=us

do i have to appl yto ALL in order to be considered for all locations?????????????????

oh lmao nvm

[tacit halo]

Companies that contract for the government have to ask this

It’s to ensure that they aren’t discriminating against veterans

They have to share this information with the government if they contract for them

Same with the disability thing

The government analyzed this data and if there’s evidence of discrimination they’ll lose their government contract and face a lawsuit

[sterile holly]

does fb work on a rolling basis?
Is it in my best interest to schedule an interview asap

[dapper shard]

if you are prepared for it then yes schedule it asap. otherwise take as much time as you need to prep before you interview. it is better to be prepared for an interview even if they have a lowering headcount compared to trying to rush an interview to beat headcount but you aren't as prepared

[sterile holly]

thats good advice thanks, the issue is I don't think I will ever feel properly prepared lmao. Do u think mid of feb is too late?

[dapper shard]

i completely understand that feeling. I scheduled my interview an entire month out so that I could prepare. I believe i got my schedule confirmation on Jan 3rd or 4th and I have my first phone interview on the 2nd of Feb. So basically I don't think that is too late if thats what you want. If this is for summer they may be closer to headcount but also it is facebook and they take a lot of interns so you should be fine.

[sterile holly]

Okay cool are you for fall? I'm going for summer but its the second round. I'm going to email my recruiter and see what they say

[dapper shard]

Yes im going for fall.

[tacit halo]

Okay. Horrible experience today. Just got another rejection. It’s from a company that I don’t even care about but there’s a story behind it

Okay, so a month and a half ago some recruiter reached out to me on jumpstart saying she would like to offer me an internship. I felt good. I was finally getting traction from recruiters. I then asked her for more information and she literally just gave me a link to apply online.

I thought it was a special link or something so I applied

Tried to message her and heard nothing back

She fell off the face of the earth

And today I got a rejection

Such fucking bait

So done with this bullshit

Literally sent me a message saying she’d like to offer me an internship only to tell me to apply online and then reject me

And apparently this is a pretty common story

Like what’s even the purpose of this?

You wasted at least an hour of my time

Has jumpstart worked for anyone?

I’ve tried applying to jobs on there

Absolutely nothing

[sonic badger]

Damn that sucks

lately ive been getting spammed by recruiters on linkedin messaging me about senior positions

[dapper shard]

Not to invalidate anything that you just said but you might want to take this to #rant

but that does suck

[tacit halo]

It’s likely automated

I get these every day

Honestly I’m just gonna keep emailing recruiters. Just dm me if u need the spreadsheet.

Shit it’s already 4:30. Probably just gonna sleep for a few hours