2021_summer

[narrow patrol]

like graduate this spring

[cyan valley]

LOL

Halfway through internship

Dropped out of school

LOOOOOOOOOL

[final hawk]

graduate in spring 2022 🙂

[cyan valley]

dudes just clowning at this point

[narrow patrol]

ohhhh ok i seee

so you just tell all the companies to hold the return offer basically

[runic tinsel]

Honestly, people like this guy are gonna flatten out soon until they calm their ego lmao

[final hawk]

kind of i just tell them my graduation plans and they accommodate

[narrow patrol]

yea tbh the real legends ive seen on linkedin really dont flex at all

like Google L8/FB E8

[stiff vessel]

linkedin posts are cringe lol

[cyan valley]

Cuz they don't need to

LMFAO

[narrow patrol]

they just state their position or sometimes even understate

[cyan valley]

Why would a Google L8 Need to flex they are legit at the top

🤣

its just the new grads who have to get that ego boost

[stiff vessel]

it’s just a platform to have your resume with more details and for recruiters to find you

[narrow patrol]

oh nice

i was a little worried abt that actually

that a company would just like toss out my return offer if i do more internhsips

[final hawk]

hmm it prob differs per company

but ddog is really chill

[narrow patrol]

ah i gotchaa

[final hawk]

ah i didn't think people would think like that 😢

[narrow patrol]

@final hawk tbh how has doing multiple internships affected like your perspective of each team/company? like have there been significant differences by company/industry

[final hawk]

YES

for sure

[narrow patrol]

i kinda imagined most of big tech is p similar, just varies a ton by team.. so in theory if you find a team that is a good fit then might as well join that? but idk this is speaking from 0 experience so would love to hear your thoughts

[final hawk]

if you find a team you really like you can def join that

for me i've never fell in love with a team or anything

i always just want to learn more

[narrow patrol]

like about different tech/team/environment? cause in theory could learn as a new grad too

[final hawk]

just learn new types of things too

cause asnew grad you're kind of in one niche

like at snap rn i'm doing ios dev stuff

i would've never learned that if i stayed on the other teams i've interned on before

cause they don't do ios stuff

[simple jay]

ive fell in love w most teams i join LOL (except one i hated)

[narrow patrol]

ahh i see, yea i kind of thought it as it gets boring after multiple interns cause you are ahead of everyone else

but you get to learn different sides of tech

so you still start as a beginner everywhere basically

[final hawk]

idk i never really do internships to get ahead

somewhat

[cyan valley]

interns are for the experience, and resume

[final hawk]

i just do them cause i get super curious what companies are liek

and the kind of work they do

[narrow patrol]

like in the sense that if you do 6 internships you kinda stagnating

like the next level of experience would be full time

[restive falcon]

serial dater

[simple jay]

what can i say

[final hawk]

i think it depends on where you do the internships too prob

[restive falcon]

hi hiru

[stiff vessel]

hi bread

[narrow patrol]

right makes sense, you get to see different industries and parts of tech basically

for me i'd imagine that just whenever i fall in love with a team i might as well join there FT

[final hawk]

yea :Di think some of my internships have been pretty unique like Colgate

i learned a lot

about

TOOTHPASTE

very neat i learned a ton outside of standard CS stuff

[restive falcon]

did u get free colgate

[final hawk]

sometimes

but i get really good discounts

[narrow patrol]

oh dang thats super cool what kind of team were you on?

[final hawk]

like really really good

[narrow patrol]

im kind of in a similar type of thing rn

can i dm u a question abt discounts actually

[final hawk]

yes 😄

[final hawk]

global technology research lab

[runic tinsel]

for a cold email

do you think my email headline should be "Ex-FAAANGMULA 1 and Ex-FAANGMULA 2 intern interested in ____"

[simple jay]

yes

[narrow patrol]

oh definitely

but dont specify which FAAANGMULA

just say it exactly the way you did there^^

[runic tinsel]

ill say FAAGMULA

[simple jay]

wait i wasnt being srs LOL

[runic tinsel]

ez pz blacklist

lol ik dw

[simple jay]

just say “yo”

and attach resume

🤔

[restive falcon]

we dont associate with the aot betrayer

[simple jay]

crazy

[restive falcon]

wow u too

[narrow patrol]

oh interesting what do they do?

[restive falcon]

im all alone in this world

crazy

[runic tinsel]

got what?

[restive falcon]

sry im not a degen binger

[simple jay]

thats what im saying

[dapper shard]

Anyone else get next steps for Netflix?

[final hawk]

they have their own research project they're working on but they also develop a lot of tools to evaluate colgate products

[dapper shard]

Can I dm if you did?

[runic tinsel]

no 😦 im a good fit for 3 of those roles tbh (ML, data engineering, analytics engineering) and I haven't heard back

[strange wraith]

yoooo legend

[final hawk]

e.g. if you wanted to see the effectiveness of a whitening toothpaste you'd do an experiment with that toothpaste and take pictures of people's teeth over time

[narrow patrol]

ah interesting so prob a bunch of data science/ML stuff??

[final hawk]

yea there was some ML

[dapper shard]

Ah I applied for the cloud security infrastructure engineer position

[narrow patrol]

oh wow so its like the intersection of science and computing hahaa

[final hawk]

and you can create software to evaluate the change in teeth color or smthg

[narrow patrol]

that actually sounds super unique

[final hawk]

yea 😄

def very unique

[runic tinsel]

did you get an interview/oa?

[narrow patrol]

pog dude

[real nacelle]

@dapper shard I just got the cloud stuff and then I think a phone/2nd oa for ML role

[narrow patrol]

didnt even know netflix takes undergrads

[dapper shard]

They just started

[runic tinsel]

@real nacelle what school do you go to, just curious

[real nacelle]

not top school just a decent public

[final hawk]

yes! but i told them i already accepted an offer

[narrow patrol]

wtfff fr

[dapper shard]

Looks like there will be a take home. Right now there is just a form they want me to fill out

[runic tinsel]

lol everyone gets that airtable form tbh

[dapper shard]

Understandable

Bruh

[runic tinsel]

i applied to the device ecosystem role as well

[dapper shard]

For their security position

[narrow patrol]

device ecosystem says ms or phd..

looking at it rn

?

[runic tinsel]

im an ms student

[narrow patrol]

ohh ok

[dapper shard]

“3-4 rounds plus an additional take home assessment”

I’m undergrad lol

[runic tinsel]

the internship's gonna be really challenging tho

[real nacelle]

decent public school but not anything amazing, think I just have a few niche research roles

[runic tinsel]

i feel like their return offer rates will be lower than usual

[final hawk]

yea mine was for data engineering and it said ms/phd and i told them i was BS but they were cool

[narrow patrol]

yea everyone i saw intern at netflix has niche research

[final hawk]

i think it's not strictly ms/phd

so

[narrow patrol]

oh damnnnn

hahahha

ms/phd or ultra chad resume

[dapper shard]

Okay but you’re deputydank

[narrow patrol]

^

[final hawk]

u guys are chads too

[dapper shard]

Don’t even cap

[final hawk]

IM NOT

[dapper shard]

But thank you 🥺

[abstract wagon]

Absolute POG

[final hawk]

yea u be working at a big bank rolling in $$$

CHAD

[dapper shard]

Not gonna move forward with Netflix. I’m doing my last two interviews then I’m done with this season. I’m tired.

[final hawk]

understandable

[cyan valley]

^

fr

[final hawk]

i cancelled all my interviews cause i needed more time to play genshin impact

and animal crossing

[cyan valley]

LOL

MOOD

[abstract wagon]

Redirect the Netflix interview to me

[dapper shard]

Okay

[final hawk]

yes!!

[narrow patrol]

i too volunteer to get netflix interview ✋

[abstract wagon]

Only for mvp

[dapper shard]

They just created them

Very specialized tbh

[cyan valley]

FAANG, N stands for Nvidea

🤣

[vapid condor]

plz play my GI account I need more time to prepare for interviews

[abstract wagon]

I got it tooo

[dapper shard]

Like ML roles, mine was cloud security infrastructure engineering

[abstract wagon]

LMAO

[dapper shard]

Not just regular SWE

[abstract wagon]

Just checked lol

The OA I think

[final hawk]

wait can we add each other on genshin

i have zhongli

i'll admit

[abstract wagon]

It's automatic maybe?

[final hawk]

i spend my itnernship money on genshin T.T

[vapid condor]

NA right

[dapper shard]

Just a candidacy form thing. Yeah looks automatic

[abstract wagon]

But there is a recruiter

[vapid condor]

woah how much did u spend

[final hawk]

yes 😄

[dapper shard]

Cloud security didn’t specify for ms/PhD

[final hawk]

dwbi 👀 it hasn't been that much

yet....

[vapid condor]

i saved 30k primo for ganyu

then

i dont wanna pull

[final hawk]

i'm saving all my primos when childe reruns

[abstract wagon]

Wait there's no a recruiter mail

[final hawk]

i hope

i had to choose between childe and zhongli it was so hard

[vapid condor]

aye yall got a offer at least

i got nothing

gotta grind

[abstract wagon]

I have just got a message from another company

[dapper shard]

I did manage to find a twitter recruiter email by the grace of god

[final hawk]

YOU HAVE GENSHIN

[vapid condor]

genshin wont generate me $$

[dapper shard]

Genshin trash game tbh

[vapid condor]

without $$ i cant buy waifu and husbando

u see where im going

[tulip jay]

Can I ask who? 😅

[final hawk]

streamer tho

[vapid condor]

ok

we dont go that route

its harder than swe change my mind

[narrow patrol]

wait fr

i thought ur a soph

[dapper shard]

Ngl I’m kind of gonna keep this one under wraps 😬

[narrow patrol]

lol

[dapper shard]

Nah andre big chad dude

[cyan valley]

oo

nice

[abstract wagon]

I have found a Twitter recruiter mail, sent it and she ghosted me

[final hawk]

you can apply and give it a shot 😄

[abstract wagon]

Btw I think Netflix form is actually automatic

[terse torrent]

i got ghosted by 2/3 cold emails so far

[cyan valley]

u sent 3

and didn't get ghosted by 1?

[terse torrent]

this year yes

[cyan valley]

GOOD

LOL

[terse torrent]

one reply was just

[cyan valley]

What did 3rd one say

"apply on website pleb"

[terse torrent]

"im forwarding ur shit over"

[cyan valley]

LOL

[terse torrent]

:/

that happened last yr

and just ghost

:\

[pulsar shadow]

:\

👻

[terse torrent]

really dont want to cold email cuz no matter how good ur cold emailing skills are

if ur bad ur bad

[dapper shard]

If I get one more blackboard notification

[cyan valley]

LOL

blackboard

Did any1 here go through indeed process

I lowkey got railed it was some DP question

[terse torrent]

i feel like they just see my grad date

and go like no

[cyan valley]

^

if ur not grad 2022

[terse torrent]

ok from now on imnot putting my grad date anymore

[cyan valley]

u have to

for the apps

they legit make sure its grad 2022

else they middle finger u

[terse torrent]

for cold email

[cyan valley]

Ohh

[terse torrent]

they can see it on my resume but

[final hawk]

i have a 0% cold email success rate

[tulip jay]

fr

[final hawk]

i emailed epic games asking if i could intern on fortnite

[tulip jay]

is it rly that serious lol

[final hawk]

and

[terse torrent]

tbh i can technically put one yr earlier

[final hawk]

no reply 😦

[terse torrent]

:((

[final hawk]

but fortnite sucks now

[terse torrent]

yeah tbh i think

[final hawk]

so i'm okay

[cyan valley]

is dead

[terse torrent]

not worth for me rn

[cyan valley]

it was hyped

[terse torrent]

maybe ill do it next yr when my grad date isnt bad

[final hawk]

that's cause all the new fortnite updates are bad

[cyan valley]

^

[final hawk]

i rememeber playing fortnite and then all of the sudden everyone dancing holding tacos

super weird

stopped playing after that LOL

ik that was a while ago

but ik another recent update they had random sharks flying out from the sky

at you

i ain't into sharknado

[muted leaf]

it just got more cringe

[terse torrent]

do yall work the full hours for internship

whats ur routine

[final hawk]

"work"

[cyan valley]

lol

meme

[muted leaf]

is full hours 8 hours

[final hawk]

yea

[cyan valley]

ye

[terse torrent]

ye

[abstract wagon]

ah yes

[pulsar shadow]

ye

[muted leaf]

waht about part time

4-5?

[pulsar shadow]

no

[final hawk]

you usually set the hours with your manager

[narrow patrol]

depends

[final hawk]

for me i did 10-20 hours a week part time

[narrow patrol]

anywhere from 10-30 hours typically

[final hawk]

depending on how busy i was

[muted leaf]

ohh

[narrow patrol]

30 is kinda excessive tho

for part time

[muted leaf]

makes sense

[obtuse otter]

i just got number of islands on my interview

[dapper shard]

100 hr work weeks as intern incoming

[narrow patrol]

LESSS GOO

where at

[obtuse otter]

finished that, and the followup in 15 minutes

i deserve this

linkedin

LMAO

[narrow patrol]

WTF

POG

[obtuse otter]

RIGHT???

NEVER HAVE I BEEN SO LUCKY

now i cant say i fumbled

[abstract wagon]

I got it in my first interview ever and I failed

[dapper shard]

You swallowed a coke tab

[abstract wagon]

At Bloomberg

[narrow patrol]

pog dude

[obtuse otter]

never had a better technical in my life if i get rejected im going to say something to linkedin ceo

[narrow patrol]

u set forever now 🙂

[obtuse otter]

i deserve this W after the L

[abstract wagon]

Only 40 Leetcode done

[narrow patrol]

get off the server

and enjoy life

😄

jk

[obtuse otter]

RIP

bro im gonna enjoy life if i get this offer

[dapper shard]

Don’t be like me and neglect LC. Just gotta do it.

[obtuse otter]

i think reneging to pay medical bills is valid

[narrow patrol]

from what you said sounds like you got it

[obtuse otter]

cause linkedin pays more than intuit

[narrow patrol]

or, just wait to get lucky

[dapper shard]

Yeah like I did with JP Morgan

[narrow patrol]

and me with multiple places lmfao

[abstract wagon]

I didn't about leetcode at the time lol

It was September and I have started leetcode in end of August

[dapper shard]

Understandable

[vapid condor]

what's leetcode?

[narrow patrol]

is it that much more

?

[vapid condor]

[abstract wagon]

I don't know I am Bill Gates'son

I am interning as CEO

[still gazelle]

what

[cyan valley]

👼

[pulsar shadow]

nice

[abstract wagon]

On week 1 you just have to push one button and look at the stocks

[still gazelle]

do referrals mean anything nowadays?

[obtuse otter]

like $20/hr more

[cyan valley]

referals get u past

the 16k applicant line

💀

[dapper shard]

I just want a fucking twitter offer so I can cry in happiness and never have to touch LC again

[abstract wagon]

I just want Twitter to flex

Don't even like the company or the product

[cyan valley]

Chase 👑

[dapper shard]

I love the product

[narrow patrol]

WTFF

[final hawk]

Big tech prob not

[dapper shard]

Use it everyday

[final hawk]

But at smaller places it def does

[dapper shard]

And full stack dev at twitter would be amazing

[torn dagger]

u got any offers currently?

[abstract wagon]

I am going to reject Twitter

[torn dagger]

which one u goin with

[abstract wagon]

And build my startup

[torn dagger]

curious

[cyan valley]

I got no idea

🤣

[obtuse otter]

https://www.levels.fyi/internships/

[dapper shard]

If I get fb I’ll give it to someone

[torn dagger]

wat companies

[cyan valley]

levels.fyi

🐐

Is glasdor salaries > than levels or na

Cuz i use glasdoor hella

[dapper shard]

Levels is more accurate

[cyan valley]

o got u

[final hawk]

I think levels has been better for me

[abstract wagon]

A teamblind evolution: verified work email + total compensation, the higher you TC the higher your post are on the feed and your opinion is more visible than the other

All blind user want to work for me

[dapper shard]

People really get on blind and use it every day. And actually enjoy it.

[pulsar shadow]

it's like 4chan for tech

[earnest musk]

perfect

[cyan valley]

whats blind

[earnest musk]

[cyan valley]

im not even joking idk what that is

[abstract wagon]

I am giving you some business ideas kids

A social network with random moderation, the point is to not get banned.
One day you post a cat pic and you get banned, another day you get banned for politics

[final hawk]

I don’t use blind cause you have to use a work email

[abstract wagon]

And you receive spam

[final hawk]

And I don’t wanna use my work email 😳

[abstract wagon]

Social network sucks

Outdoor is great

[stiff vessel]

whys twitter clout

[terse torrent]

@obtuse otter did u get american intuit or canadian

[abstract wagon]

I am recruiting

[terse torrent]

tfw always recruiting

[simple saffron]

rip boba

[terse torrent]

MANS STILL GONE

[simple saffron]

ikr WTF

[dapper shard]

Pretty sure he came back?

[terse torrent]

[abstract wagon]

I have recruited him

[cyan valley]

@dapper shard what was ur chase process

[terse torrent]

wrong one

[cyan valley]

was it the hireview with the 2 questions

[terse torrent]

nop he gone

[cyan valley]

and then final?

[terse torrent]

peepo ur acc popping off

whats ur grad date again

[dapper shard]

Got my offer from J.P. Morgan hackathon. Didn’t do final

[cyan valley]

LOL

pog

[dapper shard]

May 2022

Third year currently

[cyan valley]

When did u do the hackathon

[dapper shard]

September

Got offer oct 1st

[cyan valley]

What was their hackathon

[terse torrent]

nice

[dapper shard]

Think there was like a three or four day wait period before I heard back

[cyan valley]

I think I did the hireview 2 months+

[dapper shard]

Code for good

[cyan valley]

and I am still on "application pending"

💀

[obtuse otter]

murica

[dapper shard]

JP Morgan is pretty close to being done hiring for the season

[cyan valley]

yeah i know

im getting ghosted

😎

[dapper shard]

I’ve heard

[cyan valley]

my question was legit fib

isn't that an easy

[dapper shard]

The hardest part with J.P. Morgan

Is hearing back from them after OA

[cyan valley]

high demand

ig

[dapper shard]

Because everything is automated up till then

[terse torrent]

:

[dapper shard]

And they filled a lot of their locations after code for good hackathons took place

Their OA has like four questions for the entire question bank lmao

[bitter onyx]

anyone have experience interviewing with nintendo?

[fluid tide]

for anyone who has taken amazon oa3, is there anything you can do to prepare for it?

[dapper shard]

Read up on amazon leadership principles

[fluid tide]

ok sounds good

thnx

and also do u get disqualified if u dont take it within 5 days of the email?

[dapper shard]

🤷🏾

[simple saffron]

yeah take it within 5 days

[cyan valley]

its been 3 days

I shud prob take mine 2day

🤣

im procrasting for 0 reason

[simple saffron]

its such a pain of an interview

but i got it done in like half the time

[fluid tide]

is it hard or just a hassle?

[simple saffron]

just annoying

[cyan valley]

how many interns does amazon even take

for swe/sde whatever it is

[abstract wagon]

Sorry I am not understanding

I am doing an interview now

Just finishing

[dapper shard]

A lot

[cyan valley]

Sounds like it

Especially virtual

amazon and microsoft

big 💰

[still gazelle]

a single typo on a resume isnt a BIG deal right?

[cyan valley]

lmfao

[still gazelle]

i spelled advice like advise...

[cyan valley]

avg recruiter spends

[still gazelle]

im worried man

[cyan valley]

10 seconds

on a resume

ur fine bro

[abstract wagon]

Thank you for applying to Twitter. We appreciate your interest in our company and desire to work with us.

We received an overwhelming number of applications and our Twitter hiring teams are still reviewing your profile. We will have an update on your candidacy within 7 business days from today. You will be notified via email of any next steps in the application process.

Just got this

[lethal ore]

Same

[cyan valley]

bot

[dapper shard]

Lmao I didn’t

Wait

[abstract wagon]

And a recruiter has just liked a post on LinkedIn about an intern that got the offer lmao

[runic tinsel]

its just a lead on man

they are gonna reject people in 7 days

[abstract wagon]

Just cancel the bot lmao

[runic tinsel]

or in the best case just send another email like this one

i hate twitter so much and im not even a trump supporter lmao

[dapper shard]

I heard that they usually grab people from conferences and shit anyway

And normal pipeline is just a waste of time

[runic tinsel]

yeah that kinda sucks too, like im all for diversity but im sure they can mix different races together, whjich includes white and asian males

[abstract wagon]

They lost their main attraction what are they even doing now

[dapper shard]

Also that their new grad pipeline is pretty much nonexistent

[abstract wagon]

They have all the time to send rejections

[runic tinsel]

new grad pipeline is again only for conference attendees

[abstract wagon]

I am going to get attention by creating a big political issue on their platform

Instant interview

[dapper shard]

Twitter is the only company I’m happy to be in the diversity pipeline for though tbh

At least I won’t get ghosted

[runic tinsel]

backtobackswe interned at twitter twice

he's a smart dude tho

and seems really nice

[dapper shard]

Watched one of his videos

He seems cool

[runic tinsel]

yeah i'd definitely hire him if i were a HM

[dapper shard]

I was surprised to see him in my recommended considering I don’t really watch CS people at all

[pulsar shadow]

so how do I go to these conferences?

anyone has a list lol

[cyan valley]

what even is these conferences

[dapper shard]

Tbh

I would talk to shanice

And lurk in the conference channel

[thick ridge]

b2bswe's videos are the best I've watched

[dapper shard]

But the big ones like ghc and another big one I can’t remember the name of have already happened

Yeah the one video I watched he explained intuition to LC problems and I thought that was big.

[runic tinsel]

does ghc actually help

like if you think about it

[low epoch]

Would algoexpert help if you’ve already taken dsa?

[silk ridge]

when i started lc i would only do questions he had videos on

[runic tinsel]

if you force candidates to specify gender on the application, you can just filter out for females right? how is ghc different in that sense

[low epoch]

ghc is a pipeline

[dapper shard]

Yeah. Well specifically for women. Because it is for women you know. You can go if you’re a male for like workshops or to support women and shit but it is frowned upon to try and get in with companies at ghc if you’re a guy.

[humble pendant]

At GHC you can do interviews at the conference - some people got offers from it

[low epoch]

anything that “personalize” or humanizes” the app process so applicants can have easier time talking to someone with power

that’s the goal

[humble pendant]

yeah and most of the interviewers are also women (since they also go to the panels and the other events themselves) so it's easier for everyone to connect

[loud hollow]

wait do companies recruit from tapia conference

[low epoch]

i think u can add ur resume to their db guilt free to conferences to at least join the talent network or be informed about opportunities

[dapper shard]

Ghc is a good conference though. We definitely should see more women in tech and not make them feel like they have a chip on their shoulders and have to prove something. They are just as good as male engineers too.

[loud hollow]

i feel like thats the first conference i see

[low epoch]

Yes that’s how i got my offer

[loud hollow]

in the season

ohhhh nice

[dapper shard]

I got Lyft and Uber from tapia

Interviews

Not offers lmao

[loud hollow]

HOLY

[cyan valley]

whats tapia

[low epoch]

Yeah i joined those chat rooms and the recruiters hit ME up

[loud hollow]

tapia is in like august right

[low epoch]

Tapia is for URM i think

[loud hollow]

or early sep

[low epoch]

Not sure lol

[cyan valley]

oi

[loud hollow]

or am i dumb

[dapper shard]

September

[loud hollow]

ahh i see

are asians urm

not in tech right

[cyan valley]

LOL

ASIAN AND URM

[dapper shard]

Because I finished recruiting mostly by the end of September

[cyan valley]

BEST JOKE 2020

[humble pendant]

no - asians are over represented minorities lol

[dapper shard]

No they aren’t considered urm in tech

[cyan valley]

^^^^

[thick ridge]

sad

[loud hollow]

sadge

[low epoch]

ok cuz i saw a LOT of indians and indian-american at tapia

[thick ridge]

what is tapia

[flat vine]

are indians really URM in tech

[runic tinsel]

males?

[humble pendant]

no

[low epoch]

yes both male/female

[cyan valley]

no.

[runic tinsel]

lol asian females aren't URM either

[dapper shard]

No they aren’t

[cyan valley]

female maybe

[dapper shard]

I don’t think females are either tbh

[low epoch]

hold up what even is tapia target supposed to be lemme see

[humble pendant]

they are because of gender, not race

[dapper shard]

Ah

Nvm you right

[low epoch]

tapia is just "celebrating diversity" lol

[odd kraken]

i think in college maybe but still most engineering teams have like 1 woman

[runic tinsel]

i was saying if indian females are not urm (which i honestly dont think they are as an indian myself) then i think asian females kinda aren't either right

[low epoch]

when i've seen users post here their colleges having >30% women i'm like damn that's a lot

[pulsar shadow]

the ratio is like 1/90 for my school

[odd kraken]

still the only girl in team of 20 as an intern rn

[loud hollow]

[low epoch]

the gender thing is still a net disadvantage (for lack of better word)

[humble pendant]

really? I think they are URMs still

[dapper shard]

I really appreciate conferences and initiatives like that though tbh. Because honestly I see like no AA males in tech. I’ll see Africans in tech before AA. Crazy tbh that I don’t even see AA males or females in this industry that much

[still gazelle]

URM means underrepresented

indian women are not under represented in tech

[runic tinsel]

there are gazillions of indian females in computer science

asian females maybe a tad bit lesser

[still gazelle]

my mom, my aunt, a lot of their friends are in tech

[low epoch]

wait peepo i'm dumb but if someone is black, does that not encompass aa and also actual africans

[runic tinsel]

but then latina/black are wayyyy lesser

[still gazelle]

yeah thats a problem

we gotta give URM spots to people who are actually URM lol

[low epoch]

yeah i see what you're saying about indian women; i dont have the figures but i still think it's such a big deal for them to get opportunities

[humble pendant]

it's hard to say - like if you're a tech and a woman, you're much more likely to be Indian, Chinese, etc. but overall, women is still in the minority

[low epoch]

being a woman is just such a historically/widely uphill struggle in tech

[patent sluice]

yeah women are still underrepresented compared to men

[humble pendant]

oh yeah that goes without saying

[runic tinsel]

indian and asian females are brought up as typical asians right, just math + science from a young age so i dont get how that's so URM tbh

[low epoch]

idk, those of u who grow up in america with high asian populations would have to attest to that

[humble pendant]

I think there's a big difference between Asians who grew up in Asian countries and Asian americans

I'm saying this as an Asian American

[runic tinsel]

lol in my experience people who've grown up in america are more STEM'y than usual

[still gazelle]

no way

we're not stemmy at all

[humble pendant]

I'm like the only one in my friend group (Asian Americans) who are in tech lol

[pulsar shadow]

you are seeing survivor bias because only the top asian make it

[dapper shard]

It encompasses it but I’m saying there is a distinction within that encompass. Most likely if you’re black then I’m willing to bet you’re most likely non-US born African. Again not that there is anything wrong with that, but I just don’t see a lot of “me” in tech you know? I guess to clarify also I mean black families that don’t have fairly recent family ties to people in Africa.

[low epoch]

i mean i honestly don't know, maybe it's just cuz some of u asian americans grow up or are friends with the more influential side but maybe on the ugly side of town that's not how it is

[humble pendant]

^^

[runic tinsel]

lol well the indians ive seen growing up in the bay area are insane

[patent sluice]

my mom was just a normal chinese immigrant, not like a h1b doctor/engineer, so i had a relatively "normal" childhood

[dapper shard]

Besides my uncle I’m the only person in tech in my family lol

[runic tinsel]

my cousin is just 11 and he's learning python + robotics + html

[low epoch]

yeah i believe this; i have seen this too

[patent sluice]

but my mom's friends families are insane

[humble pendant]

Asian Americans who are in the Bay Area are definitely going to be more influenced to go into tech because their parents probably work in tech

[runic tinsel]

i come from an indian family in india with 0 engineers

like literally 0

[odd kraken]

if you come from upper middle class family it is probably different

[runic tinsel]

everyone did commerce/econ

[twilit mesa]

did anyone get an email from twitter today?

[runic tinsel]

lol nah

[twilit mesa]

about your candidacy

[runic tinsel]

its even more so for lower income families

[narrow patrol]

a TON of indian/asian americans i know are working class/have parents that didnt even graduate college

[patent sluice]

like idk what it is with upper middle class *asian families and their kids basically being required to learn piano

[runic tinsel]

my cousins aren't high income either

[narrow patrol]

i think its very unfair to not provide opportuntiy to an entire group of people just bc you see some at the top that may have more opportunity

[low epoch]

someone posted elsewhere yes some ppl got it

[pulsar shadow]

asian parents are tough on their kid I guess

[still gazelle]

my parents graudated college in my home country which doesnt mean shit here

[odd kraken]

i mean if most of your relatives are swes, aren't they doing pretty well for themselves?

[humble pendant]

there's a divide between asian american communities tbh - like if they are from southeast asia (philippines, malaysia, indonesia, etc) they're much less likely to be found in tech

[low epoch]

i mean yeah it sucks but maybe there's such a high volume so even if only toop 5% of asians go to tech it's still a TON

[runic tinsel]

my parents graduated from a no-name school in india and the school costs like 500 ruppees a year even today ($6)

[still gazelle]

the struggle man

[dapper shard]

All of you people in the regular twitter pipeline i pray for you. You’ll need it

[low epoch]

the asian label in general is so wide encompassing though i feel u

[runic tinsel]

the worst part in this is no one considers us as first gens even tho we actually are

[narrow patrol]

but what i'm saying is just because Asian aren't URM doesn't mean they have more opportunity then URMs

they are still discriminated a lot in the workplace

[loud hollow]

you got a special ticket or what 👀

[still gazelle]

have yall heard of the bamboo ceiling?

[dapper shard]

I’ll be a diversity hire as usual is all

[humble pendant]

yeah I really don't like the generalization about all Asians being the same - there's a big difference between Asian countries - can't fit them all in one category

[patent sluice]

whats the bamboo ceiling

[low epoch]

then the question becomes, which form of discrimination should we prioritize

• the kind that makes it hard for u to even pass the interview
• the kind that takes place at work

[narrow patrol]

even within a country there are so many differences

[still gazelle]

asian men struggling to advance in their careers

[humble pendant]

Asians don't get management positions easily

[patent sluice]

oh damn

yeah i can see that

[runic tinsel]

lol my worst interviews have been with other indians

[twilit mesa]

pain.

[runic tinsel]

im not even surprised

[still gazelle]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboo_ceiling

[narrow patrol]

both we don't have to deprioritize one

[low epoch]

many higher level indian swe's have interviewed me; many

[runic tinsel]

indian interviewers suck

[humble pendant]

yeah its rare - like you see a lot of Asian engineers but how many have you seen in the top positions

[low epoch]

u right, this is tough cookies

[narrow patrol]

again, can't look at absolute numbers tbh

[patent sluice]

yeah there are other cases of asian discrimination like in acting

[still gazelle]

oh yes

[patent sluice]

how many male asian leads can you think of

[still gazelle]

asians in acting have been fucked

[narrow patrol]

like, even though there are a ton of asians in tech and a lot of higher ups does not mean they aren't discriminated against

[runic tinsel]

interviewing is like 90% discrimination 10% skills

[humble pendant]

yeah that's why Crazy rich asians was such a big thing

[low epoch]

we have to look at absolute numbers; if 70% of swe's are white/indian and male, this is HUGE

[narrow patrol]

imo it just means more indians went for tech

[dapper shard]

Not shade or hate or anything to anyone, but all of my toughest interviews have been Indian interviewers

[narrow patrol]

doesnt mean u should group indians with white

there could have been even more who wanted to get in

[patent sluice]

how old were they

[narrow patrol]

that were still discriminated against

@low epoch

[low epoch]

I back up peepo, feel free to roast on hispanic interviewers too i don't mind lol

[runic tinsel]

to be very blunt they probably just hate their lives

[dapper shard]

Across the board tbh. Young and older

[pulsar shadow]

I hope I do not get an interviewer that I can't understand

[patent sluice]

wow that's interesting

[twilit mesa]

i've only had one hispanic interviewer

[patent sluice]

i thought most older interviewers don't care for leetcode

[runic tinsel]

like either they couldn't become the next sundar pichai and they're salty about it so they throw the anger out at you in the form of a lc hard

[narrow patrol]

i mean i agree but that doesnt have to do much w/ discrimination ime?

[narrow patrol]

nah they just have a higher expectation tbh

[low epoch]

some reddit thread yesterday on cscq about blind said it's mostly indian

is that true?

[dapper shard]

I don’t think so. I think they were just tough interviewers 🤷🏾

[runic tinsel]

yeah it does @narrow patrol

it's discrimination

[narrow patrol]

how

[runic tinsel]

dude

[narrow patrol]

they literally give hard interviews to everyone

[runic tinsel]

this one time

[narrow patrol]

thats not discrimination..

[dapper shard]

I couldn’t prove it even if I wanted to tbh.

[runic tinsel]

i was interviewing with an indian guy

and he asked me this question

[narrow patrol]

ok?

[runic tinsel]

https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/minimum-iterations-pass-information-nodes-tree/

[narrow patrol]

i mean thats anecdotal

[humble pendant]

let's not generalize guys - i've had interviews with Indians and it was fine

[still gazelle]

man what the fuck?

[patent sluice]

yeah they said blind was mostly chinese and indian

[narrow patrol]

^

[patent sluice]

im guessing a lot of them are immigrants

[pulsar shadow]

n = 1

[patent sluice]

different culture i guess

[narrow patrol]

i've had kind indian interviewers as well

[patent sluice]

there are things in western culture which i appreciate a lot

[narrow patrol]

i think generalizing any group literally leads to dividing society and more discrimination

[runic tinsel]

it's discrimination to ask dumb shit questions like this one while others get asked easier stuff, which includes the popular hards

[narrow patrol]

bruh idk what to tell u.

[runic tinsel]

and another indian interviewer

[dapper shard]

That’s just interview rng when it comes to questions imo

[low epoch]

what's wrong with generalizing, we're trying to learn here and we're all pretty open minded; culture and background is very influential

[runic tinsel]

i was explaining some recursive calls to him

[narrow patrol]

ehhh

[patent sluice]

tbh most of my south asian interviews have been nice

[runic tinsel]

and he re-drew the whole thing in some confusing ass way

and kept getting aggressive at me

[narrow patrol]

generalizign leads to stereotypes which leads to biases and thus discrimination

[still gazelle]

generalizing leads to stereotyping man

[narrow patrol]

i dont think anything good comes out of generalizing

[still gazelle]

lmao me and farmer tcislife on the same wave

[low epoch]

idk i just mean we're not in a professional setting so i think we can talk bluntly; but ok you're right i wont stereotype

[narrow patrol]

especially any large groups of people

bc, generalizations are completely untrue

[humble pendant]

agreed - it may seem "harmless" but it perpetuates stereotypes

[narrow patrol]

if you are looking at any larger group

[still gazelle]

bro there are like almost 2 billion indians

[narrow patrol]

not everyone is the same

[still gazelle]

one adjective/trait cant describe all of them

[obtuse otter]

do you guys thank interviewers?

[low epoch]

we're talking about a subset of a subset of humanity

[narrow patrol]

thats true for any large group of ppl

[loud hollow]

ive had a few interviews with Indians and they were really nice

[narrow patrol]

tbh

[patent sluice]

i say "thanks for your time"

[still gazelle]

by stereotyping, you essentially dehumanize them

[dapper shard]

Okay but serious question though, does anyone know the twitter interview process?

[humble pendant]

I thank them at the end of the interview

[obtuse otter]

do u email them

[twilit mesa]

^^

[low epoch]

thank in person

[patent sluice]

lets go to #random

[obtuse otter]

or just at the end of interviews

[narrow patrol]

like, you can say all 'x political party' supporter is dumb but

that makes no sense

tbh

[patent sluice]

no

[pulsar shadow]

don't have their email lol

[obtuse otter]

okay good ty

[tribal ridge]

Always at the end. Just a "thank you for your time". I also try to go for a linkedin connection if I feel like the mood is good enough.

[patent sluice]

#random

[dapper shard]

Yeah can you guys take this to random ?

[humble pendant]

I don't think this is a good idea

[dapper shard]

Before we get bludgeoned

[narrow patrol]

any generalization of a group is absurd since there is bound to be variation as groups of people get larger

[tribal ridge]

Why is that?

[narrow patrol]

i think colleges should require 1-2 statistics classes for everyone tbh

might prevent a lot of generalization/stereotypes that goes on

[dapper shard]

Fuck statistics. It’s boring

🙂

[tribal ridge]

If you mean conflict of interest, I try to request post-decision.

[narrow patrol]

lmao statistics is literally common sense at the basic level

[dapper shard]

It is until you teach me terminology that I don’t want to remember

[narrow patrol]

a lot of issues and biases that people create are based off the fact that they don't understand sampling and measurements

[dapper shard]

I forgot everything from my stat class already

[narrow patrol]

smh

[humble pendant]

oh in that case that's completely fine. I thought you were referring to before the interview or hearing back

[dapper shard]

Tbh I feel like even if you break it down they still won’t listen

[low epoch]

take this to random

mods are cracking down

[narrow patrol]

rip

[tribal ridge]

Oh yeah no that's definitely not a great idea

[quaint skiff]

Wondering the same

[tribal ridge]

Not sure, especially with their university program (do that still have that?)

[dapper shard]

They do

I just don’t hear much about their interview process at all

I just got that twitter email everyone else is getting

[twilit mesa]

^^^

i remember going to a twitter event but it was just like a dj thing

[dapper shard]

Yeah that email

[twilit mesa]

if i remember correctly its an oa and then final

at least that's how it was last year

[muted leaf]

can poverty group be urm

[dapper shard]

See how I have my interview is a different process altogether afaik

[muted leaf]

I still updated my resume tho

false hope

[tribal ridge]

Depends on how poverty you are

[muted leaf]

ig everyone's standard will be diff

[twilit mesa]

jw what's your process

[dapper shard]

Something called their first flight program

[twilit mesa]

bru they ignored me for that

pain

[muted leaf]

GS and jpmc are probably full right

[dapper shard]

According to Glassdoor it is a three round interview

[muted leaf]

just prioritizing my OAs for now

[twilit mesa]

i applied and they didnt even reject me so?

[dapper shard]

Jpmc is about full

[muted leaf]

it's not full yet? damn

[dapper shard]

I mean that is in feb

According to recruiter first flight program is almost guaranteed interview

[twilit mesa]

i thought first flight was on dec

[loud hollow]

theres another one coming up

in feb

[dapper shard]

They have another

[twilit mesa]

peepo do u have interview lined up already

[dapper shard]

I assume so

Haven’t thought about it as much tho

Been prepping Facebook

[twilit mesa]

o shit is it final or phone

[dapper shard]

Phone

[loud hollow]

for swe?

[muted leaf]

oh it's only for urm just realized

[dapper shard]

Facebook and I’m assuming I’ll get twitter will be my last interviews this season

[muted leaf]

oops applied without seeing it

[dapper shard]

Yes

[tribal ridge]

Is all of TwitterU URM only? It seems like it goes beyond the "heavily recommended" that other companies use.

[dapper shard]

I’m done after those two. Tired of doing stuff this season

[loud hollow]

pog

good luck

[dapper shard]

Honestly it seems like a lot of twitter is urm lol. They just hire so much from conference and diversity stuff

[twilit mesa]

yea thats what i heard when i went to shpe national conference

[tribal ridge]

shpe?

[dapper shard]

Yeah what is shpe lol

[twilit mesa]

society of hispanic engineers

i think

[tribal ridge]

I see.

For a second I thought it was another startup that takes a word and removes a vowel 🤣

[twilit mesa]

HAHA

[dapper shard]

I thought it was another conference

Twitter or Facebook for you guys?

[twilit mesa]

i would just toss up a coin

na im jk

i'd probably pick which ever would have the highest return rate

[dapper shard]

90% sure I’ll take Twitter ft offer between the two if in some miraculous way I get both

[twilit mesa]

so i at least have an offer before the next season starts

[tribal ridge]

As in which one I'd prefer to work at? Leaning towards FB because of their "move fast and break things" (unless they don't follow that anymore), though maybe working at Twitter give you a higher change of getting verified?

[dapper shard]

Twitter does remote options for new grad

If that sways your decision at all

[humble pendant]

they changed it to "move fast" after the controversies they've gotten lol

[tribal ridge]

Oof.

I feel like remote is a nice choice, but I'd prefer working in-office just to be able to communicate with people face to face. Seems like you lose a lot of communication without full body language.

[twilit mesa]

if both companies have high return offer rates then i'd just pick the one that has more learning possibilities

[humble pendant]

yeah I think as a new grad you should prioritize being face-to-face since that's the best way to get good mentorship, though its nice to have some flexibility to wfh one or twice a week

[dapper shard]

Hmm interesting

I’ve been leaning heavily toward twitter for the pay and remote option

[humble pendant]

isn't the pay similar?

[dapper shard]

For the most part yeah it is fairly similar

Facebook scales quicker I think as you get promoted

[runic tinsel]

anyone here hear back for amazon's applied science role?

[loud hollow]

id pick twitter bc i use their product more

or the app ig

twitter is such a good app imo

[hallow prism]

if only twitter's process wasn't so notoriously bad

[abstract wagon]

Isn't FB app really good?

You can get really high quality ads

And random notification, let's not forget that random notification from your aunt

[buoyant ledge]

@dapper shard pick twitter

[narrow patrol]

i never use twitter/fb lol

but i would love to get into one of them

[buoyant ledge]

fb will literaally not give u a return offer if you dont produce enough LoC

[dapper shard]

wtf

[low epoch]

twitter is beast mode

they banned trump first

[tribal ridge]

Just document your code really, REALLY well :^)

[buoyant ledge]

friend on mine didnt get return offer even though her manager liked her because her skip (?) pulled up the diff tool and said she didnt write enough LoC @dapper shard

[low epoch]

fb blacklisted from this discord now

[buoyant ledge]

also she said everyone she talked to at FB was kinda dead on the inside and just there for TC

[dapper shard]

lmao thats fucked

[buoyant ledge]

youll get enough TC at twitter anyway

[dapper shard]

oh so they seem just like good ol zucc anyway

[abstract wagon]

I have heard FB internship are hard af

[narrow patrol]

wtf dam

i thought FB was like guaranteed return

til lol

[hallow prism]

Is it true it's easier to pass new grad resume screening > internships?

[abstract wagon]

There is also a video on YouTube about it

[low epoch]

idk but i imagine interviews are more rigorous for new grad

at least in terms of num rounds

[runic tinsel]

lol yeah my experience at fb wasn't great either

it's a good company tho

but too much emphasis on lines of code

[buoyant ledge]

^^^^

[runic tinsel]

and really bad intern managers

[buoyant ledge]

write brackets on new lines

[abstract wagon]

@runic tinsel is your name about the football player?

[humble pendant]

they are - I did data science there but all interns were working like crazy

[abstract wagon]

LOL

[runic tinsel]

lol i was working weekends there as well

[buoyant ledge]

yeah FB has a tool where u can see aall other intern projects and LoC they wrote

[buoyant ledge]

wtf

why

[abstract wagon]

Friendship ended with FB

[runic tinsel]

my manager was a cuck

[buoyant ledge]

good thing im reneging

[humble pendant]

yeah I personally didn't do it but I've seen some interns do that

[buoyant ledge]

avoid that shit

[hallow prism]

Is it possible to apply for new grad 2022 and internships 2022 for the same place

[thick ridge]

🍎 ?

[buoyant ledge]

na probably 2s, apple hates me and wont respond

[abstract wagon]

https://youtu.be/8a81FD9b00o

[dapper shard]

damn tbh

[thick ridge]

no way lol

[dapper shard]

this makes me not want to even do facebook for fall

[runic tinsel]

yea because data science isn't as impactful wrt final users, as in you get more time to ponder on things and run ad hoc queries but we had to ship code left right and center

[abstract wagon]

So This true

[dapper shard]

i might find a different fall place to intern at

[thick ridge]

2s gaveu offer back? pog

[narrow patrol]

have 2 flex all your offers on 🍎

[buoyant ledge]

yeaah no questions asked

[low epoch]

look at all the dislikes on her vid

[thick ridge]

that's pretty cash money of them ngl

[humble pendant]

oh no - I think most of the data science interns worked on weekends - I didn't do it because I set personal boundaries

[low epoch]

freaking astroturfers/haters

[runic tinsel]

this chick is gonna get blacklisted lmao as if the lack of return offer isn't a blacklist in itself

[low epoch]

who cares if she gets blacklisted, well im' sure she knows, we need brave souls like her

[buoyant ledge]

i mean she isnt planning on returning anyway

[low epoch]

she got the experience and got out

[buoyant ledge]

sooooooo

[abstract wagon]

Fb is worst than Amazon but pays a lot

[runic tinsel]

i wonder if i've been blacklisted at fb tbh

[narrow patrol]

lmao i think she is fine

[low epoch]

yeah bruh it's your pfp

[abstract wagon]

Is like investment banking

[narrow patrol]

she got into stripe

😂

[low epoch]

of lizard man zucc

robot bezos, lizard man zucc, we need nicknames for all the ceo's

[dapper shard]

broo

[runic tinsel]

anyone here not get a return offer from somewhere?

[abstract wagon]

Chad Dorsey

[low epoch]

my ex

[hallow prism]

got a return offer from Amazon and it's my only option

[runic tinsel]

from which company?

[narrow patrol]

amazon isnt bad lol

congrats!

most ppl here have bad experiences/know ppl with bad experiences at every big company

but its rly team dependent tbh

[hallow prism]

that's true but it lived up to it's fame 🙂

[narrow patrol]

o rip if your team wasnt good that sucks

[runic tinsel]

no return offer == blacklist?

[narrow patrol]

are you able to switch teams w the return?

[abstract wagon]

Actually everyone I know that got a internship at FB is extremely good

And if they are working so hard to meet the bar

It means I would get destroyed

[hallow prism]

Only if you decline the offer and risk not getting placed - but it's my only option rn so not worth the risk

[vivid lintel]

Can someone tldr the video

Plz

[hallow prism]

I mean I have Bloomberg final interview but I heard it's full so

[narrow patrol]

ah fuckk

i see

hmm

u could always switch after amazon

[abstract wagon]

If lines of code < X: get the fuck off FB

[buoyant ledge]

bad wlb, no privacy -- you see everyones information + projects + loc,

[narrow patrol]

or, try to get any company possible for new grad and avoid amazon

like aim anywhere

[vivid lintel]

Yikes

[hallow prism]

Yeah hoping to get a decent TC new grad and stay away from amazon

[narrow patrol]

amazon should help you get plenty interviews at legacy tech and such worst case

and even better companies

[hallow prism]

surprisingly I netted less interviews this season than I did the previous

[buoyant ledge]

fb has an internal fb, if that makes sense, where ppl brag about the progress of their projects xd

[hallow prism]

with Amazon 😄

[abstract wagon]

Do just 1 year at Amazon

[narrow patrol]

huh wth

[patent sluice]

covid!!!

[abstract wagon]

Tech lead talked about that

[tribal ridge]

metafb

[hallow prism]

to not get doxxed I had additional projects, F500 + amazon this season

[humble pendant]

yeah it's called workplace

[tribal ridge]

Ooh nice

[hallow prism]

got significantly worst response this year

[tribal ridge]

What year are you?

[narrow patrol]

oh damnn

[abstract wagon]

Response from where?

[buoyant ledge]

whatd u think about that during ur internship? was it toxic

[runic tinsel]

lol i have fb + another faangmula and im jobless atm

[hallow prism]

2021 is my final internship season

so Junior?

[abstract wagon]

You are a goalscorer you will find something

[hallow prism]

I'm also a Canadian so that might play a factor

[runic tinsel]

cavani just got injured tho 😦

[tribal ridge]

Awesome.