2021_summer

[dapper shard]

everything up to the survey asking for location preferences is automated

@mortal edge

[mortal edge]

Ahh ok, just wondering since I applied like 2 days and then they sent me that pymetrics and then the OA

[dapper shard]

pymetrics, OA, and survey afterwards are all automated i believe

after that everything is non-automated

[barren night]

It was like 2 months between pymetrics and oa for me

then they ghosted me :/

[mortal edge]

Time to get back to applying to places

[dapper shard]

hearing back from jpmc after OA is the hardest part i believe

their interviews from what ive heard are on the easier side compared to other places

[mortal edge]

Damn mostly everyone is done hiring aren’t they

[dapper shard]

what ive learned with banks is that its definitely best to apply early since it looks like they finish hiring later

most of the big places are kind of on the ending side of their hiring season

but a lot of places are not done if you are not looking specifically for big N/faang/unicorn

those places start early so they can get top talent early

[mortal edge]

Shit okay

Should I just go thru LinkedIn and handshake?

Idk any really other places to find companies

[dapper shard]

personally

i stopped applying to places when i signed back on oct 1st

but i applied to everywhere on the github

[dark junco]

Go on that github page

[dapper shard]

which was 211 at the time

[dark junco]

Yeah

[dapper shard]

more than 400 places to apply to last time i looked and they have definitely added more since then

[thorn leaf]

what other big names are still majorly hiring from what u know? like from faang/big n/unicorn? or is everything donezo at this point with respect to those?

[dark junco]

Amazon maybe

[thorn leaf]

rejected after oa 3 😦

[astral folio]

does anyone know where i can find other interns LOL

[dapper shard]

amazon is still hiring. depends on the teams for apple. facebook maybe. i think microsoft is finishing up. google is just whatever. netflix has some undergrad applications they just opened so i think they are still fairly fresh. probably really competitive though

@astral folio for what company?

[thorn leaf]

ooo intereesting

ty

[astral folio]

okta

they dont have a channel here

[dapper shard]

probably search for a !join okta channel. if they don't have one then create one

or you can search the channel for other people that have accepted okta offers

[astral folio]

yeah there werent many ppl

ig they have a smaller capacity

[dapper shard]

searching for people that have gotten one is probably your best bet. most people leave the server after they get their offers or they aren't as active

[astral folio]

yeah makes sense

[tacit halo]

They extended the application deadline to February 15

[dapper shard]

Huh interesting

My roommate wasn’t given a definite no to his request for checking his application for an interview, but Plano recruiter said if he had a summer offer he should go ahead and take it instead of waiting on them. She said they won’t be doing interviews again until January

[barren night]

Maybe there’s still hope lol

[tacit halo]

Did she explicitly say they’re done hiring, or was it implied?

[dapper shard]

It was heavily implied

She said most places are already filled

[tacit halo]

I think @sinful oar said they’re actively recruiting

Which locations do they have open?

[dapper shard]

Eh

I would expect ny

Plano I think is full

So is Houston

[sinful oar]

yeah, they were hosting recruiting info sessions for a program i’m in

[tacit halo]

For this summer?

2021?

[sinful oar]

Yes

[tacit halo]

Well that good to hear

[dapper shard]

Well hopefully my roommate can get an offer from them and renege cerner

[still gazelle]

my uncle (who does not have a CS degree nor is a SWE nor does ANYTHING related to code) critiqued my code and told me to write "cleaner code"

i showed him the code for tensorflow and i said it was mine

and hes like yeah

u wont get a job coding like that

[loud raft]

i am addicted to chess because of queens gambit

[mortal edge]

is that github page updated everyday?

github for internships

[junior elk]

Are there free alternatives to crunchbase for finding recently funded startups?

[astral folio]

wait how does

a.goodtime work

its manual right?

i got an invitation like this afternoon but my dumbass didnt schedule till like 6 hrs later and the only available dates are tomorrow and the 25th

idt theyd interview on the 25th lmao so probs tmr?

but then that means id know like tmr morning

[lean dagger]

Anyone interviewed at google or oracle ?

[rich dragon]

Anyone interviewed at Amazon for summer 2021?

[river sable]

do yall have more luck with internships in your state

[lethal ore]

Yea

Most companies I have heard back were in my state

[river sable]

dang that's what I would expect but doesn't seem to be happening for me

[dapper shard]

no not at all

my state doesn't really have internships, and the few that do actually resume rejected me which is kind of funny

[torn dagger]

im too dumb for any of the companies in my stat

state*

[low epoch]

One of my two offers was in TX so maybe

[torn dagger]

lul

[sinful oar]

nyc hates me fr (get the most rejects from my state) but i did get 3 nyc based offers this year

[bright cedar]

Did anyone take like coding assessment from company before ?

[dark junco]

Any company? Probably everyone in the server

[dapper shard]

@bright cedar asking about hirevue?

[bright cedar]

Yeah I just new to this channel so I don't know where and how should I ask question

but basically I have like 2 companies send me a coding assessment test linked with Hacker Rank

And now I'm really struggling on how should I prepare for the test, hope if someone have time tomorrow to do some practicing

[dapper shard]

@bright cedar oh they are your first OAs (online assessments), you'll probably have a tough time with these first two but you'll benefit from doing LeetCode and sharpening up your problem solving skills for these coding assessments so that you can pass them with other companies.

and yeah go to hackerrank.com and make an account and familiarize yourself with the platform and problem format before you take those assessments.

[bright cedar]

yeah I finished some of the Array, Searching, and Sorting last semester on HackerRank, but I basically just looks at the solution and still confused how they get that code works. Hope if someone has experiences can help me out

[pastel bridge]

does anyone know what the 2 week takehome for box is?

[warm vessel]

Did anyone gave take-home test for illumio ?

[remote geyser]

curious: is hft swe intern just leetcode?

^if so I would assume leetcode hards?

[dapper shard]

as in hudson river trading?

[remote geyser]

Any (citadel/js/etc)

[dapper shard]

mmm

i would say

they are a mix of leetcode

and programming language trivia

i know with HRT and Akuna they are a mix of leetcode and then C++ trivia where they are looking for a somewhat deep understanding of the language

[eager valve]

do u guys think tmobile will look at OA responses?

I didnt pass the test cases but im almost certain my solution was just like 1 line off or something for my 2nd question

[formal finch]

just finish OA 1 for amazon and got 4/7 of the test cases

i was wondering when should I hear back for OA 2 ?

kinda scared for OA 2 since im relatively new to lc and i kinda flopped on OA 1 imo.

also the stupid camera couldn't pick up my face and id. should i email about this as well?

[viral abyss]

youll get all three OAs pretty much automatically

i got 4/7 and 100% on oa1 and 2 respectively and didnt get interview

[formal finch]

damn that’s tough

I thought you would pass OA 2 being 100

[viral abyss]

i think my oa3 was rough

dont lose hope!

[formal finch]

I’m kinda scared for OA 2 now

[viral abyss]

i think oa3 has big impact

[formal finch]

I see

[real nacelle]

I took all three OA’s yesterday and got each one about 1-2 hours after the previous

[formal finch]

What did you get for the first two OAs?

I got OA 2 now lol

[formal finch]

what did you get for OA 2

[vital pewter]

I am scared about oa2

I feel like due to lack of prep I am gonna get an easy question and still do bad

[thick shore]

last year it was making a game

if u make the game its pretty much an offer i think

u dont have to do any coding interviews

[umbral heart]

Is the game their product? sounds fun tho

[pastel bridge]

Wait what? I heard they ask system design questions in their final

[thick shore]

from who lol

[pastel bridge]

Glassdoor? Idk lemme look at the email again

[thick shore]

they have like 20 office hour sessions

and say that after the 2 weeks u have a 1 hour interview where u walk an engineer thru ur solution

its like pretty hard to fail i think

[pastel bridge]

Oh alright bet thx

Lmao I think system design is for full time swe

[thick shore]

yh intern process is v different

it would be a good process if ppl werent interviewing at a bunch of other companies

but im not trying to spend 10 hours on a project lol

doing a 45 min leetcode interview is just simpler

[pastel bridge]

Yeah idk box is pretty nice tho. I think I spent 25 hours on C1 summit project that ended up in an offer...

[thick shore]

yh i just have a diff philosophy

would rather spend 25 hours on leetcode and benefit from N company interviews

than spend 25 hours on 1 interview

i think im in the minority because of the general hatred towards whiteboarding lol

[pastel bridge]

Yeah it def makes sense for leetcode > projects when u have multiple companies

[thick shore]

theres this also unspoken case of if u get told to spend 5 hours on a takehome, someone will definitely spend more than that allotted time

just to look better than the other applicants

i think what byteboard does is a good solution where everything is real world + timed

[pastel bridge]

Rip yeah tryharding

My fav are OOP multiple choice questions /s

[thick shore]

i failed an interview one time from that

[pastel bridge]

Nah but summit let me interview in June. I def try harded, some people in summit didn't use the api that we were supposed to use

I interviewed June 2020 for summer 2021

[thick shore]

lmao

early af

crazy

[pastel bridge]

I had an interview freshman year where the interviewer explained unit testing to me

[thick shore]

lmao

when do u ever write unit tests in college

weird thing to expect

[low epoch]

Uhhhhh

[pastel bridge]

Hmm I think they expected me to know what an unit test was

I only learned how to write them at my first internship

Cloudflares take-home was p cool bc you had to use their worker service

[thick shore]

do u write them.??

i wouldnt know

[low epoch]

Maybe i’m missing context. I have written unit tests for a class yeah

[thick shore]

oh cool

[low epoch]

Class project in software engineering w Flutter

[thick shore]

we love a class that helps prepare u for real world

[marsh meadow]

freshman year google asked me howd i handle designing a data structure for data bigger than what fits in ram or something

i said what's a data structure jk

[low epoch]

Yeah it’s because the prof is a young dude in his 30’s and he made us follow pretty much the full lifecycle for an app

[thick shore]

did anyone else take etsy oa in 2019

it was really nice

cloning a project fixing the bugs so that the tests pass

[low epoch]

Makes too much sense to do that

[pastel bridge]

Easiest way to make tests pass are to delete the failing ones

[thick shore]

LOL

assert(true).isEqualTo(true)

[low epoch]

My final assignment in data structures i hardcoded one freaking test

Just would not pass. One line out of 300+

[thick shore]

our school they gave us test cases

rly prepared us for the real world

[marsh meadow]

if hash(testfile) != 632289544 REJECT

[thick shore]

LOL

java doesnt have any unit testing library out of the box

[marsh meadow]

our school gave us test cases and answers

when no one knew how to code it a prof gave us the code too

setting us up for success 🙌

[thick shore]

im finishing up my intro to html class today :)

[low epoch]

My friend says last semester the dsa prof decided to teach b-trees for the first time ever in school’s history

[thick shore]

we get to use jQuery (modern)

[marsh meadow]

nah it was funny im tutoring this kid, he says his prof gives assignments that no1 knows to do, a 36 rounds to an A or something. So next deadline, no one submits the assignment on the deadline, and the prof ends up giving the critical code to the class and changing due date by a week

we love college

[low epoch]

And no one could do it except one student and everyone else copied and he just let it slide. Literally emailed the class “yeah it’s hard af i dont care if u use the same code”

[marsh meadow]

at least my kid got an A

[low epoch]

“My kid”
Did u adopt this mf

Wait did everyone agree not to submit lol

[marsh meadow]

I don't know what happen but most people werent able to do it/didn't submit

i wouldn't ever risk not submitting and hoping extension gets passed

[thick shore]

my professor did that too

multiple actually

[marsh meadow]

but yh everyone i teach or tutor becomes my kid :)

[narrow patrol]

has anyone here successfully declined an offer but tried to get the recruiter to send their friends resume to the same hiring manager?

for context this is a company that recruits heavily from my school, and id say my friend is more qualified for the role

[pastel bridge]

Did anyone do Interactive Brokers "predictive index" thing?

[lethal ore]

What is Pathrise?

I heard it is a scam

[proper mountain]

just saw it on reddit too

i also got a call similar to this from a different company

“Synergistic” , they called me to ask if i have been looking for a job, pay them for the course, once i get a new job i will have to pay them.

like bruh why pay for extra course when im already taking plenty at college

[umbral heart]

So inducted into the guac clan

[rich dragon]

Anyone had Amazon sde intern final interview ?

[humble saddle]

search on 2021_intern_process

[tacit halo]

If u guys had the choice between interning at a startup (yc startups, a few mid-stage, some lesser known unicorns) or a big company (f500, legacy tech), which would u choose?

I’m not giving up on big n’s, but if I don’t land one, these will be my options.

Some of these startups even pay better than faang, but unfortunately, I can’t ignore resume value. I want to have a successful recruiting season for fall 2021 and 2022 opportunities and I’m wondering which would have better resume value

Like recruiters will probably recognize many f500 companies, but it’s unlikely they’d recognize any of these startups (even though the pay is literally 3x better in some cases)

If I have to sacrifice pay for better resume value, I’m open to it

[odd kraken]

imo intern pay doesn't matter that much unless it's a very significant difference

[real nacelle]

I mean 3x difference

is extremely significant

[odd kraken]

fair. i didn't read that far yet

[real nacelle]

I’m kind in same situation but I ended up taking the startup for winter co-op and I have my larger company for the summer

[tacit halo]

It’s the difference between $20/hr at a f500 and $60 at a series b startup

At a startup, I’ll definitely have a larger impact

[narrow patrol]

picked series d startup over prestigious bank here 👋

imo if the startup pays 60/hr its prob well known enough in the bay

just check on linkedin

[tacit halo]

And I’ll get referrals to venture capitalist

[narrow patrol]

there is prob ex-faang talent

i would say if thats the case and it seems more interesting to u then go for it

[tacit halo]

Seems like a no brainer

But recruiter with degree in psych probably won’t recognize it

There definitely is ex faang talent at many of these

[narrow patrol]

personally i wouldnt even bother doing both esp if its legacy tech

startup >>

[tacit halo]

Legacy tech like blackberry

[narrow patrol]

^

[odd kraken]

could you ask to move blackberry to fall or winter

they have off season

[tacit halo]

I could do startups all year, and I have almost no interest in blackberry

The only person I know who uses blackberry is my grandfather

[odd kraken]

why consider blackberry then?

[tacit halo]

Cuz a recruiter will probably recognize it

[narrow patrol]

yeah but its not known for engineering bar lol

[odd kraken]

time to accept mcdonalds over two sigma

[narrow patrol]

given the startup u dmed me @tacit halo its insanely recognizable and super high talent

[tacit halo]

Yeah, I’m 90% gonna take this startup

[narrow patrol]

*the unicorn

the other one is not very recognizable but its still much better than blackberry and has great chance of impact imo, and the talent bar is still high

[tacit halo]

Yeah, I feel that’s the case

[narrow patrol]

time to get rejected from pathai 😎

[tacit halo]

I feel like I’ve fallen into the trap of thinking that the more recognizable a company is, the better, but I still refuse to believe that’s the case

[wary flame]

isn't that one of the oa problems?

pretty sure joey had said that isn't cool here just yesterday lol

[molten bay]

All good nvm

[cyan valley]

Whats all the differences

big N unicorn

f500

[keen birch]

big N typically refers to the top tech companies in the US, ie facebook, google, amazon, etc.

[cyan valley]

Right

Like faang and what not

[keen birch]

a unicorn is any private company with a value over $1B

[cyan valley]

Private as in

Not on stock market?

[keen birch]

yes

[cyan valley]

Is revenue per year

If u google a company

[keen birch]

f500 is the top 500 us companies by revenue

[cyan valley]

Let me check f500

@keen birch

So is that just

2bil revenue?

[keen birch]

yes

[cyan valley]

Interesting

a company I was looking at isn't on that list

[marsh meadow]

pov: youre miserable working at a soulless megacorp bc some dude in a cs discord server convinced you to appeal to recruiters who aren't good at their job and only know famous companies

[cyan valley]

🤣

[hollow hawk]

[cyan valley]

convinced you to appeal to recruiters who aren't good at their job and only know famous companies

💀

[crystal river]

Just add a line on your resume describing the startup? e.g. "Data Analytics startup with $100 million in funding from Andreessen Horowitz" or something

Either way, recruiters don't make hiring decisions. It's the hiring managers that do

[restive falcon]

@loud raft omg thx for the server boost

[loud raft]

🙂

can i get a cool role @restive falcon @thick shore

[thick shore]

u have server booster

[loud raft]

i was jk but how can i get the binary search role

@thick shore

[thick shore]

uh just !role binarysearch.com

in bot_commands

i thin

think

[loud raft]

Ohhh i never knew that

cool thank you

[karmic fog]

unicorn = 1 billion in value not 1 billion in revenue

very different

[cyan valley]

@karmic fog Whats the diff?

[karmic fog]

revenue = how much u sell, e.g. you sell $100 but the thing u sell cost $99

[still gazelle]

urgent, anyone have the linkedin prof of the humzah dude with 10 internships

[karmic fog]

your revenue is 100 but ur profit is $1

[karmic fog]

ye why

[still gazelle]

i wanna see it

to reference

[karmic fog]

value = how much people think the company as a whole is worth

[karmic fog]

what part?

just expereinces?

[still gazelle]

yes

[thick shore]

l0l

[loud raft]

i cant even read all of that on idscord

[thick shore]

u open the image

in browser

bypassed mandatory return interviews

[still gazelle]

fucking hel ldude

guys gonna be a staff engineer before 25

[thick shore]

definitely not

intern exp isnt full time exp

[still gazelle]

it seems like he has 5 years of experience

[thick shore]

theyre all internships

that lasted 3-4 months

[still gazelle]

a linkedin famous dude

[thick shore]

tbh those ppl who run that one budget versino of jumpstart

sohuld just pay him

to promote their platform

i forget what the site is called lol

yea its social netowrk

[karmic fog]

influencer

maybe idk

i think a lot of high level people definietly look down on it

[thick shore]

if my job titles dont look like this in 5 years i dont want it

[karmic fog]

fair

[dapper shard]

he sounds like the goats

[karmic fog]

true

it's def on purpose lmao

[thick shore]

yh linkedin is just a way to sell urself

u cant hate the player

hate the game

[dapper shard]

i like to hate the player though 🙂

[thick shore]

doesnt change anything for u :)

so waste of energy

[dapper shard]

lmaoo

[still gazelle]

honestly who cares. just get the bag

thats all that matters

[dapper shard]

i like being corny 🙂

if i get the clout i deserve 🙂

i want to post jpmc and twitter but thats dependent on me getting twitter

Feb

[charred oar]

Hey does anyone know how long you can wait before you have to start the citadel assessment? Not quite as ready as I want to be for the assessment but I didn't realize I'd get the assessment immediately after applying

[dapper shard]

#FirstFlight

sign up

for urm people

well

im grinding lc

hoping i get it

i might be a diversity hire to me their quota but who cares lmaoooo

i heard you can move their internship start date to fall

or well

august

[thick shore]

yh they do offseason

oh duno about this year

rip imgur is down

rip to whoever is on call

imagine being paged on xmas eve

[dapper shard]

i would renege tf outta jpmc for twitter

so idc

honestly ong lmaooo

i haven't heard that so far

ill see next year

[slow gale]

Hey yall who've done Amazon OA2 what kind of problems should I expect?

Are they going to be Leetcode easys/mediums?

[thick shore]

y do u need one

[terse torrent]

Same

I need for co-op credits

[cyan valley]

how many interns does amazon take?

[dapper shard]

i need one

[cyan valley]

for the summer

[terse torrent]

And i want employment

[slow gale]

From the looks of a shit ton

[dapper shard]

for having a chance at a tech company outta college compared to only banking

[cyan valley]

^

[slow gale]

Amazon seems to be scaling up recruitment a lot this year

I know a lot of ppl with offers or final rounds from there

Could also be just my school idk

Amazon may not have targeted my school as much earlier

[surreal nacelle]

amazon is definitely recruiting an intern army this year, everyone and their mother got an OA

[slow gale]

Whats the conversion process look like at Amazon?

like do a lot of interns actually convert to full time or is it another rat race?

[dapper shard]

a lot of interns at amazon convert to full time according to a recruiter i talked to

somewhere around 80%

[slow gale]

oh damn

that high

[cyan valley]

I don't see why they wouldn't

Amazon is top tier lol

[dapper shard]

i don't think they are????

well i take that back

im thinking of fall i think

[abstract wagon]

Doesn’t snap take like 3 people

[dapper shard]

ask @ionic bronze

sounds like lyptea had a fairly easy interview compared to most

[ionic bronze]

yees my interviews were rng af easy

[fallow shuttle]

fibonacci easy?

[ionic bronze]

yes

Nah but they tested me on LC I was really good at aka no DP

[dapper shard]

which is kind of easy tbh

when its only graphs and shit

[abstract wagon]

anyone here take Amazon final have a dynamic programming problem

[ionic bronze]

anything graph or trees im fine with

but even a DP easy will fuck me

[formal finch]

is amazon oa 3 auto

[brazen shale]

how about a dp graph problem

[ionic bronze]

i don't even wanna think about a problem like that

[tulip jay]

by any chance, could someone who completed amzn final round please pm? (preferably Vancouver, but any office really)

[vivid lintel]

Wtf is that actually a thing

[brazen shale]

unique binary trees

it's not your typical search algo though

you don't actually work with a tree

[vivid lintel]

Oh I see

Sounds cancer regardless lol

[somber saddle]

I'm curious what LC difficulty question people got for Amazon final round. Is there a poll somewhere of this? I got an easy then "medium"

[loud raft]

what is prime example on leetcode of a DP graph problem?? looking to humble myself

[ionic bronze]

Find all subsequent palindromes in a string

[loud raft]

ty

[thick shore]

minimum path sum

longest increasing subsequence

[somber saddle]

Made a straw poll about what kind of LC difficulty people have been getting for amazon final round. https://www.strawpoll.me/42340929

i was about to put hard + hard but thought that was too ridiculous

[torn dagger]

must suck getting a medium + hard when someone else mightve gotten 2sum

[simple saffron]

yup

[torn dagger]

did it happen to u

[somber saddle]

medium + hard is impossible actually now that i think about it

[torn dagger]

in 45 min yea

[somber saddle]

10-15 minutes behavioral then only 30 minutes for that

[torn dagger]

unless they hate u

[real nacelle]

I feel like Medium Medium is impossible

no way I could get through my thought process for two problems unless it was like two sum + medium

[ionic bronze]

I feel like any hard is impossible lol in 45 mins lol

[lethal ore]

Facts

Unless if it was merge k lists

The only lc hard I am fine with lol

[umbral heart]

Then they ask you to get a banana from banana stand man

[thorny gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/xmas-merry-christmas-catsc-kittys-gif-15896083

[timber solar]

Amazon Final: 1 Hard, follow-uo, no lp

[vital pewter]

Can you look at documentation during Amazon oa?

Like the syntax

[abstract wagon]

Leung30546

[odd kraken]

Does anyone know when companies usually send company swag

Like if you're going to renege, it'd be a good idea to do it before that happens, right?

merry christmas btw

how do you ever become 100% sure

[formal finch]

Yeah

[timber solar]

Anyone know about Cisco interview

[formal finch]

Basically you have one behavioral (sometimes just that if you ace it) and one technical

[marsh meadow]

you shouldn't be taking 15 mins to do behavioral in 45 min interview lol

shud be <2 mins it's a formality and not what that interview is on if it's a technical screen

[thick ridge]

anyone have any quick reference/resources to brush up on c++ constructs and OS stuff? have a c++ heavy interview soon and haven't really had one like it so not sure what to prep

[abstract wagon]

^ same

[thin ember]

This has a good overview: https://github.com/sachuverma/DataStructures-Algorithms

[thick ridge]

thank you!

[finite snow]

Any citadel intern here that’s going for summer or fall? I needa dm
Ty

[karmic fog]

does spring work?

[finite snow]

Dming

[full trench]

You solve it and give the most optimal runtime?

[still gazelle]

i realized that dating is like interviewing

theres different rounds you needa pass

and in the end they might give you an offer

OAs are like texting

[dapper shard]

if this is the case

im getting better at interviewing and OAs 🙂

[still gazelle]

proud of you boss 😄

multiple dates

well

you're both the interviewer

and the interviewee

youre not gonna go out with a girl if she doesnt want to lol

and if you dont want to

its a mutual thing

its an and gate

not an or gate

[dapper shard]

aye fr tho lmao. everyone has failed my interviews so far

[thick ridge]

yea but no one gonna chase u if ur ugly

i am an ugly applicant

[still gazelle]

rohanzo

[thick ridge]

so don't work like that

[still gazelle]

i know what you look like

you are not ugly

[thick ridge]

no no i meant ugly resume

[still gazelle]

....

[thick ridge]

thank u tho ❤️

[dapper shard]

honestly if you're ugly

you kind of fucked for the rest of your life

its sad honestly

[still gazelle]

99% of people aren't permanently ugly

a nice haircut, better clothes and being fit can usually make u a 6-7

dont even forget about personality

[dapper shard]

honestly though what kills most people is that they are just boring

ngl

or they don't know how to carry a conversation

[still gazelle]

they jsut talk too much about themselves

the one thing i realized is that

[dapper shard]

or don't talk at all honestly

[still gazelle]

no one really gives a shit unless its my parents / close friends

[thick ridge]

wait are we talking about interviews or relationships

[dapper shard]

women/men

[still gazelle]

honestly both

interviewers like when u ask them questions

[thick ridge]

yeah I feel like that applies to behavioral heavy

[dapper shard]

how does this always pop up in summer 2021 chat and not random lmao

[still gazelle]

and are interested into their company

[finite snow]

If ur interviewer is above an 8/10 how are we supposed to focus with a log in our pants smh

[dapper shard]

bruh

[thick ridge]

this was funny for no reason lmao

[dapper shard]

imma log off

[finite snow]

Interviewers be like “looking for the LogN SOLUTION”

[thick ridge]

LMAO how do u come up with this

[restive falcon]

Y’all weird

[dapper shard]

fr

stop it

[still gazelle]

dudes aboutta get written up by HR for sexual harrassment before he even starts working

[finite snow]

That’s one way into the company

[dark junco]

I'm dead

My god lmao

[marsh meadow]

if u dont make the interviewer blush by complimenting them during the interview ur playing from behind

[finite snow]

Oh ya we can talk DP if that’s ur preference 😙

[dapper shard]

this chat bruh

[still gazelle]

i dont wanna be banned

so

[marsh meadow]

straight up if ur not leaning in n taking a sniff b4 saying "u dont smell good" wyd

[dark junco]

[still gazelle]

they said to leave an impression

stand out

[marsh meadow]

assert dominance

ur the interviewer

[restive falcon]

[marsh meadow]

if u dont kiss the interviewrr when u greet them

[stiff vessel]

merry christmas bread

[marsh meadow]

ur 🐍

[restive falcon]

Y’all be typing this

[finite snow]

Ya they’re never gonna remember the million kids that apply with the same “bAcKeNd dEv iN pYtHoN” but they will remember “lemme make an api request to ur backend ;)”

[restive falcon]

While looking like this

[dapper shard]

bread D:

[marsh meadow]

kid is a chad

[dapper shard]

yall need to go outside

[dark junco]

Its cold bruh

[restive falcon]

Merry Christmas hiru

[dapper shard]

and?

[restive falcon]

y’all need to cool off

[dark junco]

18 degrees

[silver fulcrum]

how do u come up with this

loool

[still gazelle]

probably cuz he has experience

[dapper shard]

@restive falcon hi bread

[restive falcon]

👋

[finite snow]

The others don’t seem to approve of this but it’s rlly the secret to more offers :’)

[karmic fog]

prob hard to focus with poop in ur parents i recommend changing into another pair

[marsh meadow]

delete that

[still gazelle]

the mods in this discord serevre are s ochill

[cyan valley]

Im dead

[stiff vessel]

some ppl here need to get bonked

[candid spade]

anyone know what kind of project is the most impressive and "doable" for a freshmen cs major?

[karmic fog]

literally anything that interests u. being able to talk about ur project in a passionate way is the most impressive thing

[candid spade]

Would a chrome extension be interesting enough?

or maybe making a website

[finite snow]

If it fixes some sort of problem you had it’s a dub

[candid spade]

I see

fixes a problem

got it

[finite snow]

I saw someone make a site that was dynamic showing off different products for facial skin care and the many types of products (cleansers/moisturizer/Alc)

So something that interests you prob takes most importance

[candid spade]

I'm gonna start writing some ideas

I personally think websites are too easy

so I want to work with data structure

[karmic fog]

ok

[finite snow]

Something u can live demo for them or that they can try out is even cooler

[karmic fog]

just find something that u find challenging & interesting then

[candid spade]

👍

[dark junco]

I want to think it's just a joke but idk unfortunately

[dapper shard]

Bruh I just stopped talking

[simple jay]

do you guys need a quote from a wise man

[pulsar shadow]

oh wise man of discord will I ever find an intership

[dapper shard]

yes. yes you will 🙂

[pulsar shadow]

[earnest musk]

DOWN BADDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[dapper shard]

ong they just shameless

[obsidian pecan]

Your code gets saved periodically regardless, shouldn't be an issue

[still gazelle]

dawg im down bad for some internships

[brave spindle]

I tried but I don't think you can

[proper panther]

Are off season internships easier to get than summer for big N? Also, when does the application process start for off season?

[humble saddle]

Nah probably same difficulty / harder since there’s less spots

[silk ridge]

yeah i think its for sure harder with online school and everyone wanting to do off season now

at least they fill up faster, not necessarily harder to get an interview or anything

[humble saddle]

Fb is almost done, other big n haven’t started

[soft hound]

theyre def different this round so i wanna get a feel for what theyre like

[restive falcon]

Please refer to our rule on not soliciting OA questions

you can ask the general topics in the OA but please refrain from cheating

[soft hound]

but the questions are different 🤔

its not cheating

its a fixed set of questions for each person and theyre different from the last round

[restive falcon]

I see what you mean but its still against our rules to ask for specific questions on OAs

[soft hound]

welp

[restive falcon]

sry its a hard rule and exceptions are a slippery slope

[soft hound]

yeah guess so

[restive falcon]

good luck on your OA though!

[soft hound]

ty 😄

[still gazelle]

how hard do yall assume a two sigma freshman program OA would be

like no way theyre gonna be asking LC hards right?

[simple jay]

they could

dont they take like 2-3 people total

[still gazelle]

its like 8 for the freshman program

i think

[simple jay]

o well either way thats not a lot

[soft hound]

bruh i didnt even get the oa

[still gazelle]

bro

everyone got the oa

double c heck ur mail

[soft hound]

except me

i checked like 10 times

[still gazelle]

they do OA then resume screening

[soft hound]

yeah thats what i thought too

[still gazelle]

wtfff

[soft hound]

except i wasnt the only one lol

[still gazelle]

u sure u applied to freshman?

[soft hound]

yeah

i think they just lied

or maybe they kicked me cus im intl

btw does it matter if u wrong answer on the questions for hackerrank?

i forgot how it works

[still gazelle]

no

honestly fuck it imma take the OA

[soft hound]

ok cool ty

[thorn leaf]

anyone ever have any luck just sliding into the dms of recruiters on linkedin?

each time i try, the most success ive gotten is actually getting left on read rofl (usually they dont even bother reading my messsage)

[lethal ore]

I heard back once

Though it was like if we like you then we will get back to you

[thorn leaf]

damn

[thick ridge]

email them

linkedin dm's never work for me

[lethal ore]

True but finding the email is hard

[thick ridge]

not true

use salesql chrome extension

[unborn coral]

It’s very hard to get a reply back from a dm especially if they work for a larger company, I’ve gotten a couple but from smaller ones and they were dead end responses

[thorn leaf]

ive tried cold emailing as well. idk if im doing it wrong, but each time i just dont get any reply back

[unborn coral]

What’s your pitch?

Try to keep it short and sweet

[shrewd karma]

Most cold emails probably wont get responded to, just like applications

[thorn leaf]

ive tried opening up with a few sentences on introducing myself, and then 1-2 sentences on why id love to work at X company, and then attach resume at the end

[shrewd karma]

Send 25 emails and see the # of responses you get, itll be small.

[unborn coral]

That’s solid, you’re really not doing anything wrong it’s just really on the recruiter to get back to you

[thick ridge]

I do this and it gets a responce a fair amount of times
but those responses dont always lead to anything

[thorn leaf]

hmm i see

[unborn coral]

Email or LinkedIn dm? Or both?

[thick ridge]

just email

[unborn coral]

Gotcha

[thorn leaf]

i just find it time consuming to locate a recruiter's email to a company, and then write a non-template type email to them since each company is different, so each reason on why id love to intern with them is different

just to see no responses

[unborn coral]

I hadn’t had much success with doing it yet haha

[abstract wagon]

Send 25 emails and see the # of responses you get, itll be small.
@shrewd karma i mass emailed using salesql and got nothing

[thorn leaf]

atleast with applications its a process after some time which doesnt require much brain power u know

just submit the same shit over and over again for the fields for applications

and each application takes max 2 minutes now if u dont have autofill enabled and its a non greenhouse/lever application form

[unborn coral]

Yeah that’s the annoying part about it

I also like to just look for people who work for the position in applying too instead of a recruiter for example if I’m applying for a software engineer intern to say Adobe I’ll search up “software engineers Adobe” on LinkedIn and message the person with the least followers

Response rate is slightly better

But 95% is then telling you to reach out to someone else

To get you off their back

[thorn leaf]

oh man yeah i figured. ooof it would be helpful i guess in trying to understand how their experiences were like working at the company

but not in the process of cutting the line to getting an interview via referral

[unborn coral]

Yeah just introduce yourself tell them what your studying at whichever school and which position you are applying to and if they can tell you more about that role

[dapper shard]

you're better off cold emailing

[thorn leaf]

tried that, no success 😦

[dapper shard]

up to the recruiter to respond

sometimes they do

sometimes they don't

[thorn leaf]

did anybody get past pymetrics for Mastercard summer 2021 lol

i got ghosted after pymetrics

[dapper shard]

i got rejection from mastercard after pymetrics

[thorn leaf]

i did pymetrics back in september lmao

no rejection either

[lethal ore]

A lot of people got rejected by Mastercard a few weeks ago

[thorn leaf]

mastercard vancouver?

or other locations?

[lethal ore]

I got rejected even though I had a referral

I don’t know lol

[thorn leaf]

damn

like gimme the reject ugh i hate ghosting

[low epoch]

I did. They told me they wanted all interns by Dec 1

Not vancouver, but missouri

[thorn leaf]

damn

im curious, how was the interview process like?

[low epoch]

Very basic. A video call with 2 swe’s and 1 swe manager just talking behaviorals, projects, and basic OOP concepts and in my case some SQL and Java stuff cuz that’s the team’s stack

[thorn leaf]

damn, and thats it?

holy

[lethal ore]

Don’t they have an oa too?

[low epoch]

Yeah that’s it lol. Well i got into the pipeline through a conference so maybe an oa is the norm but i did not do one

I think a lot of companies are like that but most of the companies targeted here are lc-heavy interviews. I’d say a good chunk of fortune 500 are basic interviews

[lethal ore]

True

They are more behavioral and less lc

[low epoch]

My only 2 offers were non-LC interview processes cuz i suck at it so dont lose hope haha, keep applying

Yes for sure

[lethal ore]

Lol I feel like passing a non lc interview is just pure luck

[torn dagger]

my non lc interview was OOP design

got fucked

[lethal ore]

For my Wells Fargo interview I was told that my projects didn’t match what they want me to work with

[torn dagger]

what kinda projects do u got

[lethal ore]

A website and a Twitter bot lol

[torn dagger]

ah i got a super trash website and 2 discord bots

[low epoch]

They’re all pure luck. Even ppl with referrals and acing lc interviews wont get offers sometimes

I can agree on projects being relevant = good tho

[lethal ore]

Same for Verizon. I got ghosted for a shitty position at Verizon.

[dapper shard]

i would rather have an interview with sys design and oop principles compared to LC tbh

[low epoch]

i would rather have spent my summer learning lc to actually be prepared but i barely learned about “the grind” recently and thought it was pointless

For the MLH fellowship they go over your code with you apparently and have u explain it. Something like that sounds reasonable too

[thorn leaf]

same. i started the lc grind like in september lol

regret not starting it in the summer

[cyan valley]

@low epoch Which 2 offers had no LC?

[still gazelle]

man it still suprises me how high capital 1 salary is compared to their new grads

[lethal ore]

Lol a lot of non tech has no leetcode

[cyan valley]

I didn't even grind leetcode lmfao big mistake

No I meant for tech

Non tech ofc has no leetcode I meant for CS

[still gazelle]

really man? i thought i had to do leet code hards for my sales job. phew

[cyan valley]

@still gazelle I can't tell if ur trolling or not lol

[still gazelle]

im just teasing faderazor

[lethal ore]

Lol I thought every company does lc before applying for internships

[cyan valley]

LoL

No Lol

Its just for comp sci positions

SDE/SWE

[low epoch]

They were non tech yeah. Mastercard and national instruments

[cyan valley]

Were u applying

To tech positions?

Like SWE or SDE

[low epoch]

Oh yeah lol

[cyan valley]

Mastercard didn't have any coding challenge for SWE Position?

[low epoch]

What u mean bruh. I feel like people forget that 90% of cs majors in this country be chillin hard, do no lc, and get mid tier jobs anyways

[dark junco]

^

[cyan valley]

Is that actually a thing

[low epoch]

I mean the difference is in the pay and prestige but still

[cyan valley]

I thought any brand name company made u

[dark junco]

My internship had no leetcode

[cyan valley]

Yeah but mastercard is like

Im sure they get a lot of applicants no?

[thorn leaf]

same i thought so too

[dark junco]

Maybe, I feel like there a good number of fortune 500 without LC

[low epoch]

you could prob go thru the fortune 500 bottom 250 and half would be no LC

[torn dagger]

There are

[cyan valley]

Send resume

Get phone call

"why u want job what are ur projects"

"ok u are hired"

[low epoch]

Yes that’s it my friend

[thorn leaf]

dont forget the most important part

[torn dagger]

Behavioral + General CS knowledge I guess

[dark junco]

Basically yeah

[thorn leaf]

pymetrics

[cyan valley]

LOL

[thorn leaf]

most important part

[cyan valley]

PYMETIRICS

[dark junco]

Less TC but very easy yeah

[low epoch]

Soft skills are OP in the real world believe it or not

[cyan valley]

Bruh this is rigged.

I had a interview with a company near my area

[thorn leaf]

recruiter: "oo u can pop 100 balloons in 60 seconds? ur hired"

[cyan valley]

First I sent the app

Then I had to do a Hackerrank question

Then I had a video call going over my answer on hackerrank

Then I had a 4 hour final round interview

[torn dagger]

My last interviewer told me I was the first person to ever ask him what his hobbies were

[cyan valley]

with a systems design question

and ANOTHER technical question

[low epoch]

It’s not rigged because all your LC grind is WORTH IT yall gonna be making bank and i’ll be pullin 25/hr

[dark junco]

You from either bay, seattle, or nyc

[lethal ore]

That is not bad if you are a freshman who has projects but no knowledge in data structures

[cyan valley]

and a interview with the hiring managar

Im in Chicago

[dark junco]

This

[thorn leaf]

mooooood

[dark junco]

Which company

[thorn leaf]

no way mastercard tho is 25 an hour loooool

[cyan valley]

Idek if its a trading company

[low epoch]

Well it’s LCOL and a nice sign on bonus

[cyan valley]

They do portfolio management or someshit

Google it

[thorn leaf]

ooo

[lethal ore]

Isn’t that a software company

I just looked it up

[cyan valley]

Yeah software and financial?

at least their demo they showed me at the final round they were dealing with like

[low epoch]

Yeah panda i agree that those 6-stage interviews or whatever are criminal

[cyan valley]

Yeah

and after my final interview they said

I'd hear back in a week

But christmas and holidays

the offices are closed

Until Jan 4th

[thorn leaf]

aww waiting is the worst

[cyan valley]

Im pretty sure the team really liked me cuz she wanted to fast forward my final interview date

but I had finals

[low epoch]

Tbh i’m contemplating taking few classes this semester so i can be lc beast and by aug apply to new grad with my one internship and get something good

[cyan valley]

and I was like naa I can't

[thorn leaf]

which did u accept? mastercard or the other one?

[cyan valley]

But I swear to god its gonna be like 30 an hr or something

Straight crime

[low epoch]

MC, the other one was better location for me but i turned it down because i felt they lacked diversity in their hiring

[thorn leaf]

oooo nice choice still

[cyan valley]

Congrats bro

I think I applied to MC and got straight ghosted lmfao

[low epoch]

conferences and info events are good def sign up for that stuff

[thorn leaf]

yeah i got ghosted by mastercard too

[cyan valley]

then again I applied in like Dec

[thorn leaf]

sucks

[cyan valley]

💀

[low epoch]

They skip u past phone screens

[cyan valley]

When did u apply

[thorn leaf]

september

LMAO

[cyan valley]

LOL

I HAD NO CHANCE

[low epoch]

Mid sep i think

[thorn leaf]

but i applied to vancouver location

[cyan valley]

Got u

isn't the instruments

the calculcator company?

or am i thinking of something else

[thorn leaf]

they sent me pymetrics literally an hour after i submitted the application back in september, so im like "yo not bad, pretty quick"

[low epoch]

Also i assume u are all sophs maybe? Callback rate for juniors is VERY good

[thorn leaf]

4 months later: ghosted

[cyan valley]

Im a junior

I got a decent bit of call backs but

[thorn leaf]

nah im junior

[cyan valley]

I think i started applying too late

[low epoch]

That’s texas instruments. National instruments in austin is other stuff

[cyan valley]

Ohh got u

[thorn leaf]

i started in sept but since this is my first internship + im from canada, so its kinda tough for me to apply and get call backs from the big US companies

[dark junco]

Next season imma be on top of it

[low epoch]

Understood. Yeah a lot of sophs overestimate what they should be getting. Idk, i would say my callback rate was 5% if i made up a num

[thorn leaf]

started the LC grind in like the mid of sept

[cyan valley]

Are u a Junior too?

[dark junco]

I'll start in august and try to get referrals like crazy

[low epoch]

Yes i’m junior

[cyan valley]

Yeah 5%-10% isn't bad at all

[thorn leaf]

do u have prior experience farmer?

[cyan valley]

Thats like what

5-10 companies out of 100

[low epoch]

Yeah it’s kinda dumb how if u dont know LC (you’re not in the know) u miss out on shit

[thorn leaf]

thats actually amazing

im at like 400 apps, got 3 call backs LOL

[cyan valley]

Not offers

just call back

Call back just means

next round right

[thorn leaf]

yeah

[dark junco]

Soph?

[thorn leaf]

nah junior

but im not from the US

[low epoch]

I didnt have experience just some non tech jobs i held down a few years. Also am URM so maybe it helped

[dark junco]

Ahh

[cyan valley]

URM?

Is that college name

[thorn leaf]

research im guessing?

or maybe im completely off trying to decode the acrynoym

[cyan valley]

^

[low epoch]

Oh and one other thing which is dumb. I have a good gpa and both interviewers told me that was big reason why

[dark junco]

Underrepresented minority

[cyan valley]

Ohhh

[thorn leaf]

oh LOL sorry

i was totally off

[cyan valley]

#AsianMale amirite

[low epoch]

No i go to a no-name school in the UT system, no research since u were asking

[cyan valley]

Mastercards solid though

Good job on that

[low epoch]

Yeah tbh if u are overrepresented the struggle is real too

[thorn leaf]

facts, congrats on getting that

[low epoch]

Diff struggles. Thanks! Wishing u all the best as well

[thorn leaf]

haha im a minority as well and i still got 3 callbacks with 400 applications to the US xd prolly mainly cuz im canadian + no prior internship exp

grind is hard

[low epoch]

Canada has it hard yup

[cyan valley]

Candian is prob tough

[low epoch]

I was reading the waterloo kids seem to monopolize the CS field lol with their 12 internships or whatever

[cyan valley]

I lost track how many I applied

[thorn leaf]

yeah omg

[cyan valley]

I don't think I got past 75

[thorn leaf]

if ur not from waterloo then super tough

and im not

😦

[cyan valley]

I think 10+ got back out of 75

[thorn leaf]

thats very good

[dark junco]

Oh that's good af wtf

[cyan valley]

Let me list the companies

Hold up

[thorn leaf]

yeah

[cyan valley]

I started late Nov

[low epoch]

Post ur resumes on the review channel if u still have doubts who knows

Might be improved

[dark junco]

Hrt and citadel just oa right

[cyan valley]

Yeah

[low epoch]

Solid rate

[thorn leaf]

thats sick

[cyan valley]

There was one on LA smaller company

Like HRT's oh god help america

[thorn leaf]

wait are u including OAs in these

or just interviews

[cyan valley]

I had some chess board question

[thorn leaf]

like past the OAs

[cyan valley]

I didn't get past OA on HRT or Citadel

or TikTok i have that next week

[low epoch]

Those are the top tier of difficulty

[thorn leaf]

oh lol if ur talking about OAs then ye i got quite a bit but everyone should get quite a bit since most OAs are automated

[cyan valley]

Yeahh

[thorn leaf]

i was talking about interviews after OAs

[cyan valley]

Yeah im not talking about the automated ones

[thorn leaf]

ohh

[dark junco]

It's probably impossible to get HRT phone and not have insane response rate

[cyan valley]

Cuz u can tell if u get it back instantly one

[thorn leaf]

yeah

[cyan valley]

Yeah I had 4 questions

the second one was ssome chess board

i straight up X'ed out of the OA

I was like yeah my friend coded chess it took him a full month im not doing this lol

[thorn leaf]

any offers yet panda?

[cyan valley]

Yea I have 1 not sure though

[thorn leaf]

congrats, which company if i may ask?

[cyan valley]

one on the list 🤣

[thorn leaf]

yoo nice

[cyan valley]

I feel like the season for the summer is getting late?

like to apply for summer intern positions

[lethal ore]

Yea it kinda is

[low epoch]

Nah u still have time for sure. Late march is late tho

[lethal ore]

It still doesn’t hurt to apply

[cyan valley]

Ill prob go to my colleges career fair in Jan or Feb sometime maybe

and toss a few apps around

[low epoch]

Off the top of my head some companies actively hiring are oracle, netapp,

[thorn leaf]

hmm

[cyan valley]

Do u guys know like if there is a

Period u have to accept an offer

[dark junco]

Yes

[cyan valley]

Before they give up the spot to someone

[dark junco]

They tell you when you get the offer

[cyan valley]

Cuz im sure spots fill up fast at major firms

[low epoch]

Apply to like 5-10 per day. Just pick a conference and go thru sponsor list or go thru fortune 500 list

[cyan valley]

I didn't get a deadline I don't think

[low epoch]

Since we on break make it 20 per day or something crazy

[cyan valley]

I was mainly finding listings on linkedIn

[low epoch]

Panda dont be afraid to accept the offer and renege if need be

[cyan valley]

I forgot about f500 list

Yeah I think Im gonna take it becuase

the recruiter I asked her

how many spots there were

and she said only 50

Idk if thats a lot or not a lot

[low epoch]

Not a lot

[cyan valley]

Yeh right

But if u sign the documents or whatever i don't think u can back out then

[thorn leaf]

ofc u can

[low epoch]

You can back out

[flat vine]

it's called "at will" employment for a reason

[thorn leaf]

youll get blacklisted from the company probably

[cyan valley]

Yikes.

[low epoch]

You simply have to accept the blacklist yes

[thorn leaf]

but i mean its worth it if its for another better offer

[cyan valley]

BlackList

That sounds bad

LOL

[low epoch]

Small price to pay and most people agree a blacklist is not permanent

[flat vine]

its bad if you want to go back to the company

but otherwise

[cyan valley]

Ok I see

[dark junco]

If you renege that company it generally means you don't care regardless

[cyan valley]

Yeah

U only reneg

if u have another offer

on the table right

[thorn leaf]

ofc

yeah

[cyan valley]

Got u

Do companies generally nego intern salaries or not really

[dark junco]

Usually not

[cyan valley]

Yeah full time prob more so

[low epoch]

The people who do that successfully generally have other offers they use as negotiation (or theyre good at lying) and this likely only works with big tech i assume

[cyan valley]

Right

If its like microsft vs amazon u can easily nego

But if its like microsft vs local

microsft wouldn't care

That brand name doe

thanks for the help guys

[formal finch]

anyone did a interview with apple?

[charred oar]

I heard that its not a good idea to negotiate with Big N companies in regards to internships