2021_summer

[thorny gorge]

hmm

time to tryhard for junior year

[simple saffron]

biggest thing is get a referral if you can

so network w someone now

[thorny gorge]

okie dokie

do u guys network on linkedin because of covid?

and should i start networking now?

[simple saffron]

I hit up friends and friends of friends as well as alums

[thorny gorge]

hm, ill try my best ig

[warm crystal]

Doesn't work lol

My family's referral from msft didn't help either

[terse torrent]

Isn't networking overrated

For swe

Ig how u network

Makes a diff

I always see linkedin posts be like "treat linkedin like it's ur ft job"

"i got all 5 jobs at fb google cuz of networking"

[thorny gorge]

also, should i expect to get more oa's from bigger companies going into my junior year?

[terse torrent]

Probably?

I'm a soph but all my junior senior friends are like

[thorny gorge]

because its been straight ass for me 😭

[terse torrent]

Yeah just wait til upper yr

Also some jobs directly ask for 2022 grads

So ur kinda gg on those ones

[ionic bronze]

best way to get internships is to have experience already tbh

[thorny gorge]

tru, im getting interviewed for a "full stack" student dev position at my school

[terse torrent]

Yo sounds like what i did past summer

[thorny gorge]

hopefully that will help me

[terse torrent]

It was for school club

[thorny gorge]

ooo thats nice

[terse torrent]

I think it did

Pretty fun too

[thorny gorge]

im currently trying to help build the esports website for my club lolol

[terse torrent]

Although my interview for that was hard

[thorny gorge]

😭

[terse torrent]

👀

Nice

I solved the medium too quickly so they gave me a greedy qn

That I thought was dp

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[thorny gorge]

gg

they gonna ask me LC hard

[ionic bronze]

that's fucked

what company?

[terse torrent]

I think school stuff is less intense

[thorny gorge]

hopefully

im just trying to get that for experience

but i shall see

[terse torrent]

@ionic bronze for me it was a society in my uni lol

[thorny gorge]

thats mad fucked for a school

wtf

and shouldnt they go easier on student dev positions

[ionic bronze]

they gave you a LC med

[terse torrent]

They prob weren't expecting me

[ionic bronze]

for a student dev position

[terse torrent]

It was threesum

[ionic bronze]

l m f a o

oh nvm

[terse torrent]

Twosum

• three sum

[ionic bronze]

threesum isn't too bad

[terse torrent]

Then some greedy shit

Ye

Wasn't bad imo

[thorny gorge]

pls give me two su

m

idk three sUm yet

[ionic bronze]

still i wouldn't really expect an average student at my school to know how to solve three sum

[lunar burrow]

I took 10 minutes to recognize a codesignal problem as two-sum

[ionic bronze]

Hell, even two sum

[lunar burrow]

two-sum is the bane of my existence tbh

[thorny gorge]

i was asked two sum for the tech role in the esports club

[terse torrent]

@lunar burrow yo is it the anagrams

[thorny gorge]

straight up passed that shit

ez pz

[ionic bronze]

noice

[thorny gorge]

but i did it ineffiecient

[ionic bronze]

i would have thought

[thorny gorge]

2 for loops bruv

i was dead

[ionic bronze]

they'd care more about idk

[lunar burrow]

idk dude my memory is shot

[thorny gorge]

i was like u can use maps?

[ionic bronze]

lmfao

[thorny gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-kid-vine-table-tantrums-gif-9382123

[lunar burrow]

i forget the problem like 2 minutes after the oa

[ionic bronze]

imagine solving two sum

[thorny gorge]

but after we talked i was like

this mad easy

[ionic bronze]

in o(n^2)

and getting the offer

kekW

[thorny gorge]

two sum op

[ionic bronze]

i love sorted two sum

my favorite variation of two sum

hmm, i wonder if there's a way to solve sorted two sum in O(logn)

[thorny gorge]

i think they asked me anagram too

[ionic bronze]

did u use a hashmap?

[thorny gorge]

honestly i forget

it was like 2 months ago

oh i remember what i did, map it and decrease the the string occurence

something like that

[terse torrent]

@lunar burrow lmao kek

[tacit halo]

What does it mean if I didn’t hear anything from google today?

I applied in October

For swe internship

I heard a bunch of people got rejected

And I heard absolutely nothing

Is it good bad or neutral?

[coral geode]

Neutral

[strong dove]

I heard back for PM

But only to ask about my preferences

[warm crystal]

??

[tulip jay]

anyone hear back for MS Garage?

[thick ridge]

TC is less at senior levels

[thorny gorge]

Yes.

[limber hazel]

thats actually hilarious

[thorny gorge]

When do applications for Fall/Spring Internships open

Taking a semester off to intern would be pretty interesting

[stone portal]

Are you talking about intern or ng?

[thorny gorge]

If that’s for me, intern

[stone portal]

I only know ng has 2 questions for each coding round

[final hawk]

Most Fall opens in January but some open before that

Cause their summer apps are open so you can just convert summer to fall

Spring opens in August

also amazon is sending swag boxes when you accept the intern offer 👀 what if someone accepts for the swag then reneges

[thorny gorge]

LMAo

[thorny gorge]

okie dokie, grind season it is

[thorny gorge]

i think i saw that on linkedin, pretty cool fr

[final hawk]

Apply to datadog!!!

[thorny gorge]

dog data?

[final hawk]

Fall is still open

Datadoge

[thorny gorge]

what do they do 👀

[thick shore]

💀 💀 💀

[thorny gorge]

data looks mad cool

[final hawk]

Datadog is a data monitoring and analytics service simply put if you have a website/web app and want to keep track of what happens then you’d use Datadog

[finite snow]

Hahahaha

[thorny gorge]

amazon kekw

[finite snow]

Covers face cuz we go to loo and we are inherently insecure

😂😅

[thick shore]

prob did it for privacy

[finite snow]

Dw before Amazon they were flexing they got into just Loo

Smellly smelly waterloo

[thorny gorge]

whats datadogs intern process

[final hawk]

One interview

That’s it

[thorny gorge]

nvm

i thought it said u gotta start in july and I was like heh

and i thought it might bop some summer internship

[final hawk]

Nah that’s for 6 months co ops usually they make you start in July

Datadog i started August 31

[thorny gorge]

👍

the grind shall start

data doge

[fallow shuttle]

Damn I feel personally attacked

[lethal ore]

When do usually summer internships start being posted?

Like for summer 2022

[final hawk]

August! Some places can do July too like Goldman does July

[thorny gorge]

August op

[bitter onyx]

when should I be applying for fulltime jobs if I graduate fall 2021

[thorny gorge]

😈

[wet wing]

Idk I’m FT and my onsite isn’t until February

[wet wing]

Same as people graduating Spring 22. Just ask for earlier start date

So start mid-late summer 21

[lethal ore]

Also anyone heard back from fbu for engineering?

[thick ridge]

anyone been through nvidia process that I can dm? ik it's probably heavily team dependent but got reached out to

[turbid river]

which team?

[thick ridge]

not sure what they do honestly lmao, but I think it's an embedded team in MA

[turbid river]

Ah cool, my initial phone screen with them was fun because I got to talk to a member of the team instead of a recruiter

[thorny gorge]

^ that is always fun

explaining your projects to a recruiter got me dead

they just nod their head

[thick ridge]

facts but sometimes thjats good im ngl

cuz sounds more legit

cant bs to an actual engineer

[thorny gorge]

fr tho

[terse torrent]

I'd rather hit the coderpad

No hr bs

[thorny gorge]

they were like you def sound very knowledgeable and i was

[terse torrent]

(I'd rather hit the coderpad once I'm better at leetcode)

[pallid spade]

pltr down

[bitter onyx]

current company wants me to decide on them in 1-2 weeks but i'm still waiting on vmware and other companies but I want vmware the most

what's a good way to email the recruiter telling them I have other offers but I want their decision because I want them the most out of all the places

[cedar sentinel]

facebook calls to reject

[thin ember]

Does Facebook email? I got email from recruiter asking if im interested

like bruh just send OA dont even got to ask

[timber sky]

Anyone got template to ask for extension

on an offer

[prisma basin]

amazon changed their amazon future leaders program name to amazon propel program

[sinful tusk]

Anyone have success with fintech?

[thick ridge]

like stripe, rh?

[earnest leaf]

Damn that’s rough I’m sorry, what’d they say?

[tacit halo]

Is Facebook still recruiting?

[earnest leaf]

Yeah

[tacit halo]

Did someone say they’re almost filled up?

Also does anyone know how not to get ghosted by them? Referral didn’t do shit for me

[loud hollow]

How much does behavioral matter in amazons interview

[hazy agate]

depends on ur interviewer

[twilit mesa]

i just got notified about APP formerly known as AFL

wtf why are they rebranding

[restive falcon]

did u try email

[tacit halo]

I tried adding like 16 recruiters on LinkedIn and none accepted the request

Would emailing recruiters be more effective?

[ionic rune]

Gotta email Zuck

[tacit halo]

I can just get the emails through salesql (I’ve tried this site and ~55% of the emails I’ve gotten are accurate, which isn’t bad).

Has anyone ever had success emailing a Facebook recruiter?

[loud hollow]

my interview wrote half the code for me

i omega failed

[fallow shuttle]

I think it's best if you contact your school recruiter

[restive falcon]

yes

[tacit halo]

How would I find them? No one seems to list this on LinkedIn

[tacit halo]

Explain

[fallow shuttle]

idk mine was easy to find

[tacit halo]

At the end of the day, all I need is one to push me forward

[restive falcon]

i got an interview from email

[fallow shuttle]

nice

[restive falcon]

nothing much to explain there

lol

[fallow shuttle]

also possible that your school doesn't have one

[abstract wagon]

please explain

[tacit halo]

Did u find one on LinkedIn?

And use salesql?

[abstract wagon]

its a database @abstract wagon , you dumb?

jk

ya

fresh

[tacit halo]

It lets u find anyone’s email from LinkedIn

With ~55% accuracy

[fallow shuttle]

55% lol

is it free

[abstract wagon]

bread share your secrets please

we just want jobs

data siens

[timber sky]

https://boards.greenhouse.io/vimeo/jobs/2541222?gh_src=550f6f7c1us

[abstract wagon]

how many people actually know ML

curious

[restive falcon]

shut up

[tacit halo]

I do applied ml research

Not an expert by any means

[abstract wagon]

why do you hate me

[tacit halo]

But I’m collaborating with some faculty on a few projects

[restive falcon]

nah i already knew my school recruiter

thru events

[weak dragon]

so now that finals have ended

is it time to start looking again 🤔

[low epoch]

I’ve had this happen to me

[weak dragon]

are people here still applying?

for summer at least

[terse torrent]

did u pass

[terse torrent]

i might crapshoot a bunch when my finals are done too

[weak dragon]

my finals are done but i feel so lost goose 😂

i pushed back a few interviews i had prefinals

[terse torrent]

i finished my last one yesterday but i have a project due tn i just started

i have an interview next monday

[weak dragon]

but two of the interviews now ghosting me

[terse torrent]

i am not prepared

[low epoch]

Hell no

[terse torrent]

i just scheduled it

LMAO

[weak dragon]

we got an A in OS boys and girls

[terse torrent]

damn

respekt

[weak dragon]

thats all that matters

[terse torrent]

i am scared of OS

i still dont know page table and caches well

apparently that appears in OS

[weak dragon]

VM and syscalls are aids

[terse torrent]

sounds aids

computer arch is also aids

after i went to uni i realized i hated hardware

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[low epoch]

Is comp arch even useful class? Optional in my curriculum

[terse torrent]

ok i just kinda hate the way its run

[weak dragon]

ive become a VIM master in the last month

[weak dragon]

its useful if you want to get better at sys design imo

[terse torrent]

taking the arch classa at my school is not recommended

wait rly

i feel like i learned nothing ||and consequently did bad in the course||

[low epoch]

Its cuz our comp arch profs suck and no one recommends lol

[terse torrent]

it can be good if ur prof is good?

YEAH SAME

[weak dragon]

yeah because you're more aware of the problems that might come up in your sys arch

especially for software

[terse torrent]

i personally enjoyed program correctness proofs shit the most this term

even tho i kinda still suck at them

[low epoch]

Im gonna end up watching youtube lectures for it then. I do want to learn but i think superficial knowledge should be good enough

[terse torrent]

i think having a basic knowledge is good

but u dont need to take a course that tortures u for that

[dapper shard]

Computer architecture can be useful but it hardly ever shows up so 🙃

[low epoch]

Yeah thats what im thinking seems like interviews are just lc, os, sys design

[terse torrent]

if i had choice i would not have taken it

or i would have taken the better equivalent

[dapper shard]

In my experience it is just really obscure knowledge base.

[terse torrent]

my course was kinda 🐒

[low epoch]

And maybe the occasional TCP/OSI stuff from networks good to know?

[terse torrent]

oh yeah

i nvr had that come up

[sinful tinsel]

wod it be better if practice leetcode timed or no?
also can i use my notes or no?

[terse torrent]

but networks sounds cool

[weak dragon]

do them untimed until you get good

[low epoch]

30 min just u and documentation
If u cant hack it look up solution and understand it, try to code it urself

[sinful tinsel]

ic

[weak dragon]

i need some motivation

[sinful tinsel]

alright

[weak dragon]

i swear it feels like its too late to find a good internship now

[dapper shard]

I practice it timed. 45 min to solve the problem. Look at the solution after if not solved.

[low epoch]

Nah man there’s still good ones

[sinful tinsel]

what if im doing lc ez tho?

[low epoch]

Netapp, vmware, lenovo, i think many others

[dapper shard]

Still do it timed imo

[weak dragon]

you do LC EZs until you can do them quick

[sinful tinsel]

ill do untimed than

[dapper shard]

Practice it for the typical duration of an interview

[low epoch]

Just dont spend 30 min spinning ur wheels

[pulsar wing]

do you guys know if there are any internships for this spring? mmy coop semester starts this spring so im looking...

[sinful tinsel]

u recommend me not using my notes right?

it wod make sense not to use it cuz i wont hav access to it on the real thing

[weak dragon]

you should make notes and try to find the patterns in the questions

once you understand the patterns then the rest is easy

[stiff vessel]

imo for most leetcode questions if you don’t have an idea within 15min you’re better off just going through the discussion

So I don’t think putting yourself on a timer for practicing leetcode is super useful

[weak dragon]

i agree, you should time yourself when youre doing a mock interview

[sinful tinsel]

alright

[weak dragon]

its more important you understand the problem and how to solve than solving as fast as possible

[sinful tinsel]

true true

[lunar burrow]

tbh if you're grinding speed on leetcode, split the practice into 2 parts: do implementation separate from finding the solution

[sinful tinsel]

im just practicing

[lunar burrow]

so if you need to practice implementation, read the solutions and then just code it up quick

if you need to practice understanding the problem, think of the solution and then read the sol to verify

[sinful tinsel]

ill use my notes as well since im just practicing

ill focus on understanding

[stiff vessel]

I would also recommend not using your notes

You’ll prob learn to depend on it

[sinful tinsel]

hm ok

[uncut herald]

How long does it typically take to hear back from salesforce after the final interview? Interviewed monday but still havent heard back

[stiff vessel]

Just put in a solid effort, read through your notes try again, and if you still can’t get then go to the discussion tab and learn

Then do a similar question

[sinful tinsel]

alright ill do that

tysm guys

[weak dragon]

sigh working part time while doing the grind is gonna be rought

but we got a whole month so lets get it

[lunar burrow]

I was doing the grind while interning last year. legit interviewing in the office

was...interesting

[weak dragon]

i talked to my manager today

he was encouraging me to find better opportunities

[low epoch]

Yeah i just realized i can grad fall 2021 or spring 2022 (which are sam new grad apps) so i may take fewer classes spring 2021 to have time to grind/prep

Your manager sounds nice

[thorny gorge]

^

[weak dragon]

i yolod and asked for a raise too

he said in a few months cuz of covid :S

[low epoch]

That means no, cuh

[weak dragon]

im hip 😦

[low epoch]

Ofc you are

[stone tiger]

i took amazon oa 1 like 2 hrs ago and just got oa 2 😮

[quick pawn]

Does anyone have resources for ml internship interview questions, have pathai soon

[lunar burrow]

it's prob automated

[sonic badger]

ye it goes pretty quick

i think i got mine in like 20 mins lol

[odd kraken]

they only had 5 spots

[loud hollow]

if i fail amazon for summer i cant reapply for fall right

or like i can but i probably wont go an oa

[wary flame]

i believe so

[graceful adder]

if you fail an interview then yeah, the earliest you can reapply is after 6 months

[violet wyvern]

Anyone gotten an interview with Twitter?

[abstract wagon]

Is research a good enough substitute for a summer internship?

Yes

Could be even better maybe you like research more

Like from what I can see, most places are wither full or require a 6 month cooldown... so in case I can’t figure out a scene for Internship, research would be a good motive right?

[abstract wagon]

Tbh i just don’t wanna sit around in summer if I don’t land an internship, but research is not really my thing

Which is why i was considering that option

Ofc is better than unemployment

If you have the chance take it

That’s what i was thinking hmm I know a professor who’s working on some crypto research, im gonna take that and keep trying for an internship

If I have only taken 1 course toward my MS, is it sketchy to list a 4.0 GPA?

[stuck rampart]

could do GSOC too

[abstract wagon]

Absolute sketchy but it's high risk high reward

If they tell you something say you are sure that you are built different and you'll never get less than 4.0 even in the future.

[simple saffron]

@abstract wagon eh anecdotally i did research last summer and I'm not getting too much success with getting internships

I'd try to get something with the title SWE intern as much as you can

[tacit halo]

Speaking of Lyft, how long do they take to reply?

I haven’t heard anything despite applying nearly two months ago

Has anyone had success emailing them?

[odd kraken]

i was able to move on to phone interview with lyft after cold emailing one of their recruiters

[tacit halo]

How long ago?

[odd kraken]

2 months ago?

i applied in september though

[tacit halo]

?

[runic tinsel]

@odd kraken is Lyft still hiring interns?

[strange elbow]

has anyone interviewed w adobe before?

[obtuse otter]

don't roast me but i may have looked up all the c++ answers from linkedin assessment a couple weeks ago and I just passed linkedin's OA

do u think it'll be sus if htye ask me c++ questions and idk them

[dapper shard]

i don't think any recruiters or employers even care about those linkedin assessments anyway

[obtuse otter]

aight bet

[silk ridge]

i mean if any company cares it would be linkedin lol

[obtuse otter]

got top 5% on the c++ assessment

[silk ridge]

but i agree

[obtuse otter]

im a chad

[earnest musk]

this you?

[obtuse otter]

absolutely

dont ask me what a segfault is though

[violet wyvern]

Does apple expedite their process?

[dapper shard]

does anyone know if Visa does off season or not?

[thick ridge]

do you guys think we'll be back to pre-covid life in the fall

cuz I wanna do an offseason internship, but don't wanna miss too much campus time lol

but don't mind taking time off if it aint normal

[vivid lintel]

I definitely feel like fall will be in person

[earnest musk]

🙏

prayer chain needed

[abstract wagon]

Commenting for better reach

🙏

[dapper shard]

pretty sure fall internships will be in person since it is looking somewhat likely even for summer

[lethal ore]

My internship is still in person

[abstract wagon]

tesla

also how does team selection work at amazon

[wary flame]

student programs decides and no one knows how. pretty much random

[woeful heart]

Any idea about Netflix's ML internship?

what's the online assessment like on codesignal?

[simple saffron]

codesignal is 4 questions, usually at least 1 string manipulation/array and 1 DP

there are practice assessments you can try on the site

[steep bough]

Did anyone here do the codesignal assesment for square and got heads up?

I did one like 1 month ago

but nothing till now

[woeful heart]

@simple saffron 4 questions 45 minutes? doable?

[simple saffron]

definitely doable

[woeful heart]

LC medium?

[steep bough]

Any of you guys know of a posting where they send hackerrank instantly when you apply?

[simple saffron]

i think IBM

[steep bough]

IBM internship

right

[simple saffron]

yes

[steep bough]

you have a link for the posting

because I am finding multiple different openings

any idea which one

[simple saffron]

i think backend

[steep bough]

lemme check it otu

thanks

[dark junco]

We need game days back 🙏

[thick ridge]

lol

just like Illinois vs Wisconsin last year

remember that 😎

wait u to go wisconsin rite lmao

[odd kraken]

you heard back from Netflix?

[woeful heart]

Received online assessment today

[timber sky]

are you doing your bachelor's?

[woeful heart]

Masters

[abstract wagon]

If i havent heard from google thats means reject right?

[hollow hawk]

does anyone know what fall internship dates typically are? sept - dec?

[simple saffron]

@abstract wagon probably

[woeful heart]

@abstract wagon you'll get a reject mail if you really are, but don't wait

[abstract wagon]

Has anyone taken the Snowflake OA? For java/c++ core engineering

Lmk please and thanks

[abstract wagon]

[dark junco]

yeah :( that was a depressing game to watch

[timber solar]

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Scam?

[simple saffron]

the poor grammar screams scam to me

[dark junco]

Yeah very weird

[dapper shard]

what is this off of lol

[loud hemlock]

simp

[devout crypt]

i believe managers can select resumes from a stack, interns aren't able to choose teams

[abstract wagon]

Do any of y’all know any companies that usually reopen applications in spring?

[unborn hornet]

@fast dagger, Please run this command in the #bot_commands channel

[sweet rapids]

what is the website where people post resumes anonymously

[ionic rune]

That's also what I heard from my SDE 2 friend

[thick ridge]

bruh

citadel oa had segment tree question 😦

[restive falcon]

Ye

[thick ridge]

wdym

i just took

maybe diff questions but I TLE'd with o(n)

yes

wait u got all test cases w just o(n)?

[restive falcon]

wats the best company swag you've ever gotten

back when ghc was in person, i got a drone from a company booth...

[abstract wagon]

F

[low epoch]

mage are u 1337mage on neopets? lol

[abstract wagon]

who is getting amazon swag?

did just one guy on linkedin get it

[still gazelle]

just saw a listing for summer 2022 internship...

[restive falcon]

YO same

the pwc one?

[still gazelle]

i think man

its fuckin wild dude

[unreal anchor]

i have

[tacit halo]

Wait, is hrt still hiring?

Someone on wso said they hire well into winter

I lowkey want hrt. I didn’t even apply since I was non hypsm, but others here said they do hire non targets. I saw ppl from some local schools on LinkedIn (like Stevens Institute of technology)

Next year is gonna be the year I try hard for quant

And I want to avoid getting blacklisted

[patent sluice]

i got an oa from them like february last year

[tacit halo]

Did u hear back afterwards?

[patent sluice]

well

[tacit halo]

How long does it take to get the oa?

[patent sluice]

like a month for me

opened OA saw it was C++ closed OA

rejection next day

[tacit halo]

Yeah I don’t know any c++. But it’s probably something I could pick up

Python is my thing

[stuck fulcrum]

Anyone know if amazon ny is full?

[dark junco]

I guess that reddit post explains why C1 pays interns so much

[thick ridge]

which reddit post?

[still gazelle]

whats HRT?

[dark junco]

On csmajors, someone saying they want to take C1 internship over Microsoft because of pay (and supposed outsourcing lol)

[dark junco]

Hudson River Trading

[still gazelle]

thanks 💪

[dark junco]

Yeah for sure, It's insane that it works especially since the person wants to apply to unicorns and trading firms

https://www.reddit.com/r/csMajors/comments/kgen9b/would_i_be_an_idiot_for_taking_c1_over_microsoft/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[vivid lintel]

I mean if the hiring manager themselves say turnover is high because of outsourcing

I say run the fuck away from msft lol

We obviously don't have the full picture anyways

[potent meadow]

Do you guys know if Google started recruiting for summer 2021?

[dark junco]

That's still only one team, you don't have to work there more than a summer

[vivid lintel]

Yea I guess the consensus is a little short term suffering is worth it for the long term benefits

I can see that

[potent meadow]

@abstract wagon Was it a security role?

I don't think they are done, anyone else ?

[stuck fulcrum]

I applied in October with a referral and haven't hear back @potent meadow

[earnest leaf]

If google considers you for step then does that mean they likely won’t move forward w you for SWE

[potent meadow]

@stuck fulcrum Interesting, thanks for letting me know. Do you know anyone else that tried?

I see, thanks

[stuck fulcrum]

@potent meadow no

[tacit halo]

Doesn’t capital one still have pretty good resume value tho? Wouldn’t it still be fine for unicorn/trading recruiting?

Also, does anyone know if faangs are still giving out interview especially msft and g

[stiff vessel]

google is still actively interviewing SWE intern candidates

[thick ridge]

yeah probably

but no reason to pidgeonhole yourself into banktech when you have another alternative open

[still gazelle]

yo rohan u still interning at capital one?

[lethal ore]

^

C1 is op to me

[earnest leaf]

Oh word

[lethal ore]

Is google step done with hiring sophomores?

[earnest leaf]

I’d imagine so tbh

[still gazelle]

why do u think that bro

im just curious

[abstract wagon]

Hi everyone! Does anyone have information on what the Microsoft SWE Intern final round looks like this year (virtual)? For example, what are the formats of the interviews (behavioral or technical), and how many total interviewers/interviews are there?

[still gazelle]

fuck bezos

[thick ridge]

nope lol

glad i can join blind in being a c1 hater

[still gazelle]

where u goin now?

[thick ridge]

ill dm

[hollow hawk]

what typically are fall and winter internship dates? is fall sept-dec and winter jan-april?

[restive falcon]

yes

[pseudo ore]

i’m new here, what is the term C1?

[restive falcon]

capital one

[pseudo ore]

ty

[mortal edge]

Bruh I think I got 1/7 on the Amazon OA1 since I didn’t manage time well but they still sent me OA2

[thick ridge]

lol you're fine I know people who made final with 1/7

[mortal edge]

Do they just send OA2 to anyone regardless of how shit ya could have done in OA1

[thick ridge]

oa2 &3 weighted a lot more im guessing

[mortal edge]

Ok cool cool, time to grind LC

What’s the difficulty level of OA2 and 3 for Amazon?

[restive falcon]

oa 3 is just a workplace simulation

@mortal edge you can use our leetcode bot (in #699532227536486451 ) to practice Amazon specific questions

[mortal edge]

Ok sick thanks!

[somber saddle]

do the amazon oa 2 intern questions on leetcode discussion

there's like 14 questions total

that you can possibly get

you'll get 2/14 of them

[obtuse otter]

is it worth reneging intuit for google step

[mortal edge]

So there is a list in leetcode discussion channel?

[thick ridge]

imo yes

[somber saddle]

nah i mean actually on leetcode

[dapper shard]

@obtuse otter depends on what you want tbh

personally i would just do intuit

[thick ridge]

! problems amazon in #699532227536486451

[mortal edge]

Ok sick sick thanks everyone

[obtuse otter]

any reason?

[obtuse otter]

i thought this too but people on Reddit fr hype up google that I’m getting massive fomo

[restive falcon]

dont listen to hype

make ur own informed decision

[thick ridge]

honestly, the work at intuit might be more interesting, because STEP interns might be relegated to some open source work, but as a freshman, if you get google on ur resume you'll snowball your way to nice interviews/internships in soph/jr year

[dapper shard]

i say this:

if you care more for your actual swe experience and you like the prospect of working at intuit, and also not having to do a conversion interview for full time (you have to with google for intern to full time), then you'll probably want to lean intuit. if you care more for resume weight, clout, like google more, want future at google, etc., then google step is going to be your better choice

[dark junco]

Yeah having google name is huge

[thick ridge]

also, you may not have a chance to work at google again; you'll almost always have the opportunity to go to intuit

[dapper shard]

but as a step intern rohanzo is right, your experience at google might not have the same weight as intuit

as far as what you work on

[earnest leaf]

I’d say do step if you’re a freshie

[obtuse otter]

alright tysm guys. step is so lame tho I feel like the only thing it offers (in terms of work done) is pet projects so I really wanted to work as a real SWE instead

but how tf does step have so much clout

[earnest leaf]

Everyone on reddit simps for goog

[thick ridge]

remember its ur decision to make tho so don't get too swayed by what we say

but like if i were u

id go goog

[obtuse otter]

okay last stupid question but y’all think in person internships are valid? like u think the vaccine will save them?

[restive falcon]

no

[dark junco]

No

Too late

[obtuse otter]

damn

[thick ridge]

unless citadel

[obtuse otter]

if intuit goes virtual I’ll cry man

had my whole summer planned out

[dapper shard]

idk i feel like vaccines might save internships and make them in person

[thick ridge]

2 summers stuck in my childhood room kinda makes me sick to my stomach

but what can u do

[dapper shard]

but also yeah i think it might be so late of a decision that it would be hard to get people to be in person

[obtuse otter]

god bless googles slow ass process

by the time my interview goes to HC it’ll be March

[sonic badger]

ngl

remote work slaps

wtf

i dont wanna go to the office

[thick ridge]

nah it does not

[sonic badger]

i wanna chill in my office, and pet my dogs

ye i guess its not as cool if u live with parents

[obtuse otter]

man I’m gonna have to find a place over summer tho if virtual

[thick ridge]

I signed a lease on campus for this whole year, and can't go back

so I'm paying thru the nose

for an apt I don't live in until aug

[sonic badger]

ye that sucks

[obtuse otter]

why did I forget my school offered summer housing

[dapper tiger]

Yeah so it seems that if you work overtime, you get more of a housing stipend as well. They didn't give a # for monthly or weekly or anything reasonable like that for housing

[tacit halo]

Does anyone know how to contact a google recruiter?

I haven’t been rejected

Just ghosted

[thorn leaf]

anyone do coupang OA? what was the difficulty like?

[restive falcon]

find a new hobby

[thorny gorge]

anime op

big schleeper

[dark junco]

I just got a kindle and have been reading like crazy

[thorny gorge]

imagine reading

[dark junco]

Really been enjoying it

I read the whole Ahsoka book yesterday it was actually free with prime, and read some of Sense and Sensibility today

[thick ridge]

only book i been reading is epi

[dark junco]

It's really nice to just not look at my phone/computer and relax and read

It's way easier on the eyes it's pretty great

Especially on lower brightness it looks almost just like it's paper

[thick ridge]

bro u reneged c1 for explore LOL

yeah ig step doesnt offer that

but at the same time

there are people in this server that are former google interns

and didn't get a callback from them this yr

so idk

but its not like you'll return to intuit from fresh->soph year

by that logic you're choosing intuit for a return

and I don't think you should be concerned about a return internship/ft after freshman year

neither of us

its for @obtuse otter

[dark junco]

Having google on your resume is fantastic, but he is in a great position regardless

I would do STEP personally in that situation

[pale coyote]

every freshman ik who did step got a return offer as swe

so not sure about this

[dark junco]

Yeah I think it's more swe intern to full time that doesn't have as much return offers

[patent sluice]

don't you get automatic return after you do a certain number of internships

[vivid lintel]

I believe if you do 2 swe internships at Google, you get to skip the conversion interviews the second time

Assuming internship feedback is good

[pale coyote]

wtf

so if you do step -> swe intern -> swe intern you can convert to fte with no interviews????

[flat vine]

pls cite ur sources

[pale coyote]

hypothetically yes but only 50% return rate is sus

[thick ridge]

well i mean

thats just cap

[vivid lintel]

That is my understanding

[patent sluice]

you should ask the ppl who applied to like 200 internships with a 3% response rate

resume screening is literally the most important thing lol

[thick ridge]

disagree

[patent sluice]

in this season

solid disagree

maybe if there wasn't covid and i went to a target school

[thick ridge]

I got 3 interviews this season and I go to a target fwiw

[vivid lintel]

Getting interviews was easier than passing them pre covid imo

Now both getting and passing them is difficult lol

[patent sluice]

if you get few interviews its also bad

[pale coyote]

c1 isnt that easy

1 easy and 2 meds in an hour

[patent sluice]

i would say quantity of interviews is super important bc a decent number of interviews are luck based

the amount of ppl i saw get fucked on amazon bc of rng

(not me)

[low epoch]

How can resume not be the most important lol, it’s the first gate u gotta cross

[vivid lintel]

I was in Google host matching for a couple months and connected with some other people in the same process. It's just something I heard over and over again lol.

[patent sluice]

LOL

@mystic sedge if you're an interview god your experiences will differ from us plebbs

[thick ridge]

i mean its all anecdotal

but at the end of the day

[stiff vessel]

i mean isnt that proof that interviewing isnt rng lol

[thick ridge]

inboxes are drier this yr

[kind jungle]

how does one get a jane street interview

[patent sluice]

wym

[low epoch]

I’m curious if fresh/sophs overestimate how many interviews they should be getting. Feel like 90% of employers want juniors

[stiff vessel]

like saying that interviews aren't rng just for keras

because he's 'mega brain' or whatever

[pale coyote]

my go to analogy is that interviews are like mario kart

[patent sluice]

yea im sure edwin djikstra could pass 99% of amazon intern screenings

but im not

[pale coyote]

luck is a factor but people who are better will see better results more consistently

[low epoch]

If i need to land a shot on a target, i will pick the shotgun

[stiff vessel]

but that means u can minimize the rng right

[kind jungle]

i can land fang interviews but not hedge fund one for some reason

[viral abyss]

cus its hedge fund

lol

total different game

[low epoch]

“For some reason” bruh lol

[patent sluice]

yea but there is an rng factor involved

varies from person to person

[kind jungle]

yeah thats why im asking

[vivid lintel]

Hedge funds are way more selective lol

[low epoch]

It’s the tippy top

[stiff vessel]

yeah the more effort you put into your interviewing skill the lower the rng

and rng can get very low

rng component*

[patent sluice]

i mean there is always an rng factor involved

im not sure what we're even arguing about

[pale coyote]

leetcode aint everything either

[stiff vessel]

im sure anyone can get to the point where they can pass a good portion of interviews

[low epoch]

The worst rng was that one person here who got fb offer and then it got rescinded because recruiter “made a mistake”

[patent sluice]

yea no ones saying that's not true

[patent sluice]

that was so awful

just cruel

[stiff vessel]

like 95% of companies that hire swe dont ask questions like that

[low epoch]

For people who think reneging is unethical lol suck it, fb rescinds offers

[patent sluice]

what are you tryna argue

[viral abyss]

naw

gotta practice right

[patent sluice]

i asked like 20 ppl for amazon what question they got on their final

[viral abyss]

so on that note

[patent sluice]

most got num. of islands

[viral abyss]

is taking bloomberg over msft a grief

[stiff vessel]

no

[low epoch]

nah bb is great

[viral abyss]

whew ok

thank yall

yeah redmond is

peanut town

[low epoch]

I dont disagree but can u elaborate lol

[viral abyss]

also i will add that some of the people on here are uber smart but lack networking skills

got both my offers from networking connects

[patent sluice]

i think there's a decent number of companies where the actual interview isn't that hard but getting it is a shot in the dark

[viral abyss]

like got the interviews through networking

[patent sluice]

its my loss too bro i need a job

[low epoch]

“Networking” is so vague but i feel you. Conferences, making connections, etc

[pale coyote]

you really want a recruiter with a psych degree to decide whether or not you're good enough for a swe job?

[low epoch]

Its funny how mentalities differ because i see it all as one big rng. Embrace the pointlessness, truck on, dont take things personally

[viral abyss]

ah to elaborate, being good at coffee chats to get referrals, signing up for career fairs at the right places, maintaining relationships

[stiff vessel]

i think seeing it as rng gives u a sense of learned helplessness which discourages u from trying

[viral abyss]

^

i do agree

[low epoch]

Those are all good. Except referrals i’ve heard so many conflicting stories here i dont know if theyre so valuable

[viral abyss]

i think ive gotten so far because i never attribute anything to randomness

[stiff vessel]

which, while i dont disagree that there is some rng component, i think its best to live like

this

[viral abyss]

even if it is, its pointless to think of things that you cant control

[pale coyote]

acknowledging rng makes me stay sane when I get rejected from interviews even after being able to solve their problems

it doesnt discourage me from grinding lc hards

[vivid lintel]

Fwiw I think the bigger companies are very inconsistent with how much weight a referral carries, but for a small local company a referral almost guarantees interview

[low epoch]

I suppose i embrace it as rng insofar as there’s still binomial probability involved (you can increase your individual odds). But it doesnt HAVE to lead to learned helplessness

big-picture rng

[vivid lintel]

Life is rng

That doesn't mean you shouldn't try

Either that or just adopt nihilism lol

[viral abyss]

everything has signal and noise

just widen your chances by working hard, applying to many places, etc

[stiff vessel]

bigger picture just mass apply

LLN

[low epoch]

I mean yeah it’s a big philosophical question. It’s perfectly valid to embrace the pointlessness /rng of life by saying “if i just work my hardest, i will achieve the best results within the parameters life gave me”

Which imo is a form of blissful ignorance but it can still carry u thru a lifetime lol

[stiff vessel]

resume screening != interviews

i think resume screening has a decent amount of uncontrollable rng

so just mass apply

no we were talking about interviews

or i was

wait what

[low epoch]

I think it tangentially veered into interviews lol because

There is a claim that you should only complain about resume screens if you are beast at interviews

As in, “why complain about the more rng component x if u havent even controlled other lesser rng component y”

Yeah i know, it’s a bit of a fallacy

It’s more a mindset that should cheer u up

Idk how but if it works it works

It’s just interesting how this discord which is probably usa/canada’s top 10% still has such a huge volume of resume screens not passing. Not bad, not good, simply interesting

Imagine how it goes for the rest lol

[earnest leaf]

🙂

[low epoch]

Sorry buzz

very fair

[earnest leaf]

Lmfao you’re good

[vivid lintel]

ik you're exaggerating, but at that point our industry has utterly and miserably failed to construct a meaningful interview process lol

[low epoch]

events/info sessions are kinda OP, wish i had access to more at my no name school, i’m always looking tho

[vivid lintel]

imo LC selects for people who are willing to invest the time in grinding

not the people who are actually good engineers

but I agree with your overall point

[low epoch]

aka young people aka no family obligations aka [whatever u wanna insert]

[vivid lintel]

more prep --> less rng overall

because the big companies have monopolies for the most part lmao

if you're talking about like g/fb type of companies

[low epoch]

Wait how did “not so good engineers” come up here

If you’re making em money youre good enough

[limber hazel]

leetcode kinda sucks, but everything else sucks more

tbh

[stiff vessel]

yeah would you rather do leetcode or figure out how many ping pong balls fit in a boeing 747

[vivid lintel]

if it's an LC hard I might as well get the brainteaser lmfao

[low epoch]

If i was a freaking interviewer i would gladly give the interviewee in advance a much smaller q bank of potential LC questions

If i could of course, in an ideal world

[vivid lintel]

but easy/med problems are reasonable

[limber hazel]

true some LC questions are really bad

I think most hards are reasonable too

some are whack though

the FB tagged section has a few gotchas

[low epoch]

Agreed on leetcode being the best equitable/scaleable ratio we have at moment

What if the company values the soft skill portion but your interviewer doesnt?

[vivid lintel]

ur testing if the person cares enough about your company to grind codeforces

I guess, idk

[limber hazel]

like some companies ask segment tree/DP bitmask Qs during onsites

[stiff vessel]

the wide majority of my interviews have never expected perfection

personally

[limber hazel]

which I dont think really tests anything except exposure to those concepts

[low epoch]

Yeah i think they look for a certain type of person/problem solver which makes sense for those few companies. They dont give a shit if u “care enough” or “enjoy” cp just “hey, people who do cp have the chops for this job so lets get em”

Try telling that to my interviewers/recruiters who want to see the passion behind my personal projects lol

[limber hazel]

its also probably causally directed

like if you're bad at cp you're not going to enjoy it

[vivid lintel]

I feel like that was a reasonable rational before G got big. But suddenly they're asking hards instead of mediums - did people magically become smarter overnight?

[low epoch]

Thats why we call it an “arms race” because its the perfect definition

[vivid lintel]

Lol true

[low epoch]

Literally on the money

[thick ridge]

lol there's so few spots and a fuck ton of people in india

feelsbad

[vivid lintel]

Everything in India is fucked

I say this as fellow indian

[thick ridge]

agree

doesnt google india take like 30 interns

theres gotta be like a few million people applying

[low epoch]

Overpopulation messes up the lives of young people across the globe it sucks, in korea they’re stressed tf out apparently for similar reasons

Cramming for this one exam and stuff competing for top universities

[thick ridge]

yeah I can only imagine the college admissions/SAT equivalent in asian countries

yeah I've heard chinese entrance exams are hard as balls

even in india its tough

[low epoch]

Lol our struggles get kinda dwarfed in comparison. First world cs kiddo prob:
“Will i make 60k or 100k out of college hmmm”

[thick ridge]

yeah rightfully so

[thorny gorge]

Most college new grads should be able to make 50k+

lmao my parents always flaming me saying how hard their exams were

[thick ridge]

lol its cap tho

my parents say that but their exams were v diff

[vivid lintel]

Well our struggles don't invalidate our parents' struggles, but yea it's arguably a rougher job market now

[thick ridge]

oh not at all, they definitely struggled more

but exam-wise it's not a fair comparison

[thorny gorge]

Idk

I feel like it’s just more selective in Asia

like only the TOP students go to college where as a mediocre student in America can go to college

[thick ridge]

yea that's fair

[dark junco]

Ultimately LC is a much clearer path than getting past the resume screen

There's the joke that companies throw out half the stack of resumes because they wouldn't want to hire someone unlucky

While obviously not reality, there's a tremendous amount of luck

I've seen people with solid resumes just straight up not get offers as a junior

[tacit halo]

Read the 200+ messages above and I definitely agree that the resume screen is by far the hardest part

It seems honestly majority rng to me

Like it’s so fucked up that some random recruiter gets to decide ur fate. The same resume could fair differently with different recruiters

Honestly there doesn’t even seem to be that much of a pattern in who passed the resume screen

A huge reform is needed

And I know leetcode is far from ideal, but a standardized oa really is the only objective way to determines who gets the interview

The questions need to be quite different and emphasize actual skills rather than CP

@abstract wagon just saw ur message. I very much appreciate it. Will message

No subjectivity should play a role. The companies need to develop a completely standardized rubrik where the same result will occur regardless of who’s reviewing u

The resume screen is by far the thing I have the biggest problem with

Like the idea of them throwing out half the resumes or the recruiter not looking at ur resume may not be completely true, but they’re grounded in truth. Many ppl get fucked over in the resume screen for things beyond there control. There are actual people behind these resumes that just want to move forward, but ur no more than a piece of paper to the recruiter. It’s depressing

U can do every thing right and pass 0 resume screens. U may be very capable of passing the interview but u never get a chance

[dapper shard]

its not having a right to an interview

just so much rng

[lethal ore]

^

[tacit halo]

Just giving ppl a chance is what matters.

[dapper shard]

i was just talking to my parents about this actually

[tacit halo]

The rng has locked many completely deserving and capable ppl out for literally no reason

[lethal ore]

Getting interviews are so random and based on luck but you can work hard to get one

[tacit halo]

In what ways?

[dapper shard]

got rejected from t mobile but i passed resume screen at amazon and google . you're telling me that im just not capable of working at t mobile but i could work at google or amazon? people will get faang internships but then not pass the resume screen at capital one. rng is ridiculous tbh.

[lethal ore]

^

[still gazelle]

maybe its not just RNG. maybe different companies want different things

i’m not saying that RNG isn’t involved but i feel like companies would go for someone whose experience fits what they need ya know

[dapper shard]

thats understandable i guess. that different companies want different things

idk really the only standardized thing in this process is LC. and even that has elements of rng in terms of your interviewer and what they are expecting

the whole process just sucks ass tbh

like you could get an interviewer that actually cares about your communication and thought process and then you could get an interviewer that just wants you to be an LC whiz

i know its up to the interviewer to determine if you pass or not but like damn that just sucks kind of

[humble pendant]

I think another factor is location - some of the smaller/less prestigious companies prefer students whose university or hometown is close to their office. They believe that students nearby are more likely to take their offer than those who are further away. This isn't really an issue for FAANGs since they know people will move across the country to work for them

[tacit halo]

In the middle of recruitment season, u really can’t make any changes to ur resume that will have a drastic impact (if it wasn’t about recruiting, I wouldn’t say this). U can build the best side project in the world but it won’t matter to some random ass recruiter with hollow criteria

[still gazelle]

yeah but thats why we send out 500+ applications a year right?

[tacit halo]

I think interviewers need to follow a rubric that specifically outlines what the company is looking for and generates an objective score

Like tik tok has a good resume screening process this year. If u meet the basic qualifications (grad date, etc.), u get the oa and ur resume doesn’t matter anymore. Of course the actual questions are a different story but at least they got the first step correct

[tacit halo]

Problem is companies are super opaque about what they want.

[still gazelle]

you’re right. which is sadly why we shouldn’t really place all our hopes on one company

[stone tiger]

passing the oa doesnt guarantee a chance to interview. There are so many companies that do resume screening after the oa

[still gazelle]

i think thats just pure evil

[tacit halo]

Yeah, resume screening really needs to go.

At least for internships

[sly egret]

it should be application -> offer tbh

[tacit halo]

Look, if u need an experienced developer with niche knowledge, I get it

But how could u possibly judge college students based on their resume.

[still gazelle]

leetcode skills ≠ dev skills

if a guy has won 10 hackathons then you can probably assume he’s a decent dev

[stiff vessel]

werent they joking

[tacit halo]

Honestly, it should be dev skills assessment if u meet the basic criteria -> interview

[still gazelle]

thats fair

[lethal ore]

Yeah true my first offer is very near to my university lol

[still gazelle]

i like the idea of testing dev skills rather than memorizing and applying niche algorithms not even remotely related to your job

[tacit halo]

Yeah that’s understandavle

[lethal ore]

Also the other companies I got an interview from has thier office near my school lol

[tacit halo]

A 5 second screening just isn’t a good way to judge college students. This may sound controversial, but I feel at this stage, absent of a few outliers, ur resume isn’t strongly correlated with ur actual ability to succeed on the job and a lot of things like high school internships are due to privilege. Whether u realize it or not, ~90% of students don’t have access to the opportunities that would allow them to develop a stellar resume

[still gazelle]

if we were in high school u’d be right

[tacit halo]

A skills based test, which is something u can study for, that actually correlated with ur ability to perform on the job

[still gazelle]

but there is so much opportunity to stack ur resume as a CS major

[stone tiger]

Isnt leetcode a skill based test

[tacit halo]

Whether it matters to recruiters tho, that’s a different question

[stone tiger]

it tests core cs problem solving concepts

[still gazelle]

true!

[tacit halo]

Like it seems like u need internships to get internships!

It’s a catch 22

[still gazelle]

Thats the biggest problem rn

[tacit halo]

U gotta start somewhere, but that starting point isn’t clear

[sly egret]

projects

[torpid lance]

I think the issue with these LC style tests is that at some point it'll get to the point where people only know how to complete LC questions but can't actually develop shit

[tacit halo]

Whether or not projects matter to recruiters is the question. I feel like many recruiters are just soulless and look for things like prior big n experience and target school

[stone tiger]

I feel like if you can learn how to be really good at leetcode/cp you have the ability to learn how to do development

[still gazelle]

feel like thats actually happening rn

[tacit halo]

Leetcode just just test ur ability to perform well on the job

[still gazelle]

Well, leetcode just tests ur ability to think really

[torpid lance]

So you're telling me that if I go into an interview, and a company asks me to reverse a linked list, if I do it successfully, that means I'll be a successful engineer?

[tacit halo]

Solving a problem in a short amount of time just doesn’t seem correlated with ur ability to develop something from the ground up over a longer period of time

[stone tiger]

No but it can be an indication that you have the ability to learn how to be one

[tacit halo]

Testing actual skills that directly correlate with the job are much more important

[still gazelle]

i think OAs should be like “build an API using blah that does blah”

[tacit halo]

Knowledge of development principles, knowledge of technologies, what ur code looks like

Like a actual project

[torpid lance]

Yeah but you could just grind leetcode for months and be able to communicate your thought process, I don't think it's a good indication of how well you'll do on the job

[still gazelle]

yeah but thats countless hours and resources spent on just interviewing

[tacit halo]

I just don’t think questions that require u to be clever (almost like CP) are fair

[torpid lance]

Yeah I wouldn't go so far as to say any are unfair

[stone tiger]

If you could grind leetcode for months, why wouldnt you be able to grind for months to learn how to succeed at your job

[tacit halo]

Could someone without clever CP insights succeed in developing a system? Possibly. But CP is about as distant from the actual job as u can get

And the time constraint can be really bad

[still gazelle]

I completely understand leetcode for HFT/Quant interviews

[torpid lance]

Because it's far different. I could grind for months and be able to reason out when I need to use x data structure or y algorithm, but there's no way to feasibly practice having a client give you specifications for a project or feature and then actually going and developing said project/feature

[stone tiger]

But the grind shows that there ability is there

Ofc its not directly related but it gives insight on your learning ability

[tacit halo]

Like maybe ask u to develop a code to perform x task and then test it (write an api for this website)

A take home project is the best way

[torpid lance]

I don't think take home projects would solve much either

[sly egret]

take home projects are so much more time consuming

[tacit halo]

U should at least get a day to complete whatever assessment.

[torpid lance]

I think as far as whats available now, LC style interviews are the way to go, but someone will come up with a better way eventually

[tacit halo]

An hour to solve a leetcode problem just isn’t enough

The time constraint can be extremely stressful

Like the Blackrock oa comes to mind

[torpid lance]

Yeah but that bit mimics real life

In this industry depending on where you go you have to be able to deal with fast paced environments

[tacit halo]

In the Blackrock oa u get 3 problems to solve and 96 hours to complete it

Which is fair

And u can use the whole 96 hours

[stone tiger]

yeah i agree. Everyone wants engineers that are well rounded and can easily adapt

[tacit halo]

1 hour is just way too stressful

But on the actual job, will u actually be required to solve something in an hour?

The concept of a time constraint just creates a lot of stress

[torpid lance]

No, you'll have more time, but what you'll actually solve will also be much larger

[tacit halo]

1 day is very different than 1 hour

Has anyone taken the Blackrock oa?

[torpid lance]

I think being able to work in stressful conditions & tight time constraints is a good skill to have

[tacit halo]

The problems were a bit more involved, but they gave u a good amount of time

[torpid lance]

A good example I think is like this recent Google outage, you think they had engineers sit down and say "Okay team let's get together and figure this out in 96 hours"

[tacit halo]

Like would giving more time to complete problems be a good solution? Maybe make the problems more involved, but just give a few days?

[stiff vessel]

are you not describing take home projects

[tacit halo]

Some ppl just don’t work well with very short time constraints, but can still be phenomenal engineers. Like when I’m completing a task, I just need to take a few breaks in order to regain some sanity.

[torpid lance]

I'm not saying that's not true, but many of these companies are specifically looking for engineers who can work well with very short time constraints

[tacit halo]

What counts as a very short time constraint?

[stiff vessel]

personally have never met someone great at leetcode/cp that was a shit dev

[still gazelle]

my friend whos the best dev ik is insane at leetcode too

[tacit halo]

What about the reverse?

[stone tiger]

^

[torpid lance]

It can depend, but like I said before a good example was that recent outage with some Google services, you have a team of engineers who need to get that shit back up ASAP

[stiff vessel]

false positive is more costly than slipping some through the cracks

Like magnitudes more

[tacit halo]

The problem with false negatives is that ur literally throwing out ppl. Some might have disabilities that make short time constraints a challenge and that must be accounted for

[torpid lance]

Most companies ask you up front if you have a disability and need accommodations before interviewing though

[still gazelle]

andres right

[tacit halo]

U just cannot throw out ppl. Life is not at all a meritocracy.

And shouldn’t be treated as one

[still gazelle]

transform your hatred of leetcode into motivation to grind for FAANG

[tacit halo]

That’s illegal

[torpid lance]

That's illegal

It is

[still gazelle]

dude i wish they did that to me

[tacit halo]

No, by law they cannot discriminate on disability

[torpid lance]

Nah, you can't discriminate based on disability

[tacit halo]

No, by law they must provide reasonable accommodations

[still gazelle]

"The ADA only prohibits discrimination on the basis of disability. It makes it unlawful to refuse to hire a qualified applicant with a disability because he is disabled or because a reasonable accommodation is required to make it possible for this person to perform essential job functions."