2021_summer

[abstract wagon]

Size don't count

[errant elbow]

hey guys, I have my final round interview for an Msoft Phd SWE internship tomorrow, any tips?

[abstract wagon]

It's all a culture "fit"

[formal finch]

I seen ppl who hated Apple and loved working at a small companies

[narrow patrol]

dont bother imo

i dont see the value of c1

[abstract wagon]

why even do c1 if you have opendoor

[narrow patrol]

at all

[abstract wagon]

yeah lol

[narrow patrol]

^^

c1 is a waste of time lol

[formal finch]

c1 is only good for the pay

[abstract wagon]

fax

[formal finch]

nothing else

[abstract wagon]

their pay is only good for intern too

new grad 🤢

[narrow patrol]

*intern pay

[nova knoll]

Opendoor about to be Zillow/Redfin just cause it’s small now shouldn’t be a knock

[abstract wagon]

Intern for 1 year

[wary flame]

yea heard new grad pay isn't that great

intern pay for c1 is good tho

[narrow patrol]

c1 is just baiting lol

[formal finch]

c1 pays crazy for intern to lure ppl to do full time

[abstract wagon]

c1 is wack bro

[formal finch]

yeah bro

[abstract wagon]

its good if you got nothing else

[narrow patrol]

c1 is only good if u dont have tech company offer imo

same w/ all banks p much

[formal finch]

like me 😩

[abstract wagon]

damn

[narrow patrol]

but he has another option in this scenario which is opendoor lmfao

[narrow patrol]

[abstract wagon]

🤦‍♀️

[narrow patrol]

🤦

[formal finch]

this man

[narrow patrol]

c1 does all the buzzwords

not one, all

[abstract wagon]

boy just do the buzzwords on your own time

get smth that helps your damn resume

LOOOOL

[formal finch]

@tacit marsh do whatever you think will give u higher new grad offer

[narrow patrol]

u can do deep learning, swarm clustering, fizz buzz, all that shit at c1

yay

[nova knoll]

So Zillow does non of that smh Opendoor gonna be doing all that as well

[narrow patrol]

opendoor is def a lot higher lol

not to mention they are pre ipo

[abstract wagon]

isnt c1 new grad like 100k

[formal finch]

agreed and they have that prestige 🤩🤩

[abstract wagon]

ok but what does zillow do

they seem to be doing fine

[tacit marsh]

they buy houses

and then sell em

like amazon

[narrow patrol]

c1 wont beat 110k if im not mistaken

and i dont count signing bonus

[abstract wagon]

u dont know that

[tacit marsh]

need to improve operations and use AI to predict housing prices/etc

[abstract wagon]

thats a big assumption

[formal finch]

@abstract wagon have you work in tech lmao

[fresh wren]

Opendoor isnt even small, they are almost the same size as Zillow

[stone tiger]

doesn opendoor have like search engine stuff

[narrow patrol]

im still 97% sure he is trolling

[formal finch]

Agreed

[nova knoll]

They got video walkthroughs and you underestimate the analytics that goes into housing market

[abstract wagon]

only because opendoor's product is website based doesnt mean they dont do other stuff behind the scenes

[nova knoll]

And they gotta do all the finance stuff as well

[formal finch]

bro i also think the work is more interesting than c1 tho which is why open door is better

[abstract wagon]

what does c1 do? thought they were just a mobile app bro 😂😂

[formal finch]

you def make a lot of impact

At open door

[austere lake]

finally decided on a company to sign with, the decision was almost more stressful than the actual process lol

[formal finch]

way more projects does not equate to impact

[narrow patrol]

ayy congrats!!

[odd kraken]

which company? : D

[formal finch]

Congrats dawg

[fresh wren]

fullstack web dev is like the most broad category of all time

you can literally be doing anything

[abstract wagon]

^

[austere lake]

Unity! I thought i failed the last interview but the hiring manager was really enthusiastic about me 🙂 @odd kraken

[formal finch]

Agreed! I was supposed to do full stack but it was devops

[narrow patrol]

yea yea trueee whereas i heard c1 has like ML/Ai/all that shit right??

and you can do like trading shit and fancy algo stuff tooo

[fresh wren]

@narrow patrol I believe that is the quant role not the swe role

[narrow patrol]

im trolling

lol

[abstract wagon]

swes at banks are just IT

[fresh wren]

lmao ok i might just be an idiot, i literally couldnt tell

[nova knoll]

The digitization of housing is almost untouched endless opportunity

[fresh wren]

@nova knoll airbnb, zillow, redfin would like to have a word with you

[formal finch]

alright I’m done with the discussion since I need to do lc and phone interview . go for open door bro!!!

[narrow patrol]

interview??

[abstract wagon]

google

[nova knoll]

What OpenDoor is doing is more like Carvana, Vroom in cars buy and sign all digitally crazy to think about

[abstract wagon]

ur not doing all of that anyways brah

[formal finch]

I wish 😦 but they keep playing with my hard. It’s HPE tho

[narrow patrol]

pog gl

[abstract wagon]

hpe is cool too, good luck!!!!

[formal finch]

ty ty

[silk ridge]

its ok google is just a website anyways

[narrow patrol]

google is like fucking full stack shit right?

[abstract wagon]

yea what do SWEs do at google anyways?

[narrow patrol]

must be so boring

just a web app

[formal finch]

nothing more than a search bar on white page

[nova knoll]

C1 is def not boomer in terms of banks

[narrow patrol]

literally just has one function which is search bar

interns there must be doing css and shit

google must suck to intern at i guess.

[abstract wagon]

c1 >>>> google

[soft hound]

i mean i guess they do nothing

the home page doesnt really change much

[narrow patrol]

yea isn't c1 intern tc higher too???

c1 >>> google

[abstract wagon]

whichever intern did the shitty gmail logo change, ur the worst intern in history

[nova knoll]

C1 is like come play with all these modern tools and be like alright here’s 95 starting salary 🤣

[cobalt raven]

whoever changed the design of all the google things gonna catch these hands frfr

[abstract wagon]

^

ugly as hell bro

🤢🤢

[tacit marsh]

thank you all leaning towards opendoor sorry drillking

[abstract wagon]

lmk when you got supreme 💯🤝

[ionic bronze]

when 95k is a bad salary 😦

[nova knoll]

But fr love C1 product proud C1 user

[formal finch]

maybe drillking is c1 recruiter???

[dapper shard]

Tbh I like c1 more than jpmc

[abstract wagon]

his commission depends on this W

[dapper shard]

Don’t tell my recruiter that tho 😳

[formal finch]

c1 is def the best bank besides GS

[narrow patrol]

if limetaco doesn't join c1, drillking makes 0.00

[nova knoll]

Lmao he reneged C1

[dapper shard]

I would renege jpmc for c1 lowkey

[narrow patrol]

👀recruiter alert

"no brainer"

[abstract wagon]

😂

[dapper shard]

Don’t act like you was thinking of taking c1 anyway 😂

[narrow patrol]

you were so conflicted lmfao

^

you literally were leaning c1

until literally everyone said its a bad idea

lmao

[nova knoll]

Fr

[thick ridge]

bro was getting paid 60 an hour at c1 sf

no idea where they're getting that money from

[dapper shard]

Stonks

Ig?

[tacit marsh]

i think they pay interns the same as FT

if u include housing stipend

[dapper shard]

Just price yourself really high and you can charge a lot per share

[nova knoll]

Same or more tbh

[abstract wagon]

onlyfans 🤝

[narrow patrol]

sorry so i asked this yday no one responded

do yall count paper money in new grad tc?

[abstract wagon]

yea

[narrow patrol]

like stocks for a pre ipo unicorn?

[abstract wagon]

yup

[narrow patrol]

either options/rsu

coughdm

[abstract wagon]

if its a unicorn

i know theyre gonna ipo

just a matter of when

the later the better actually

🚀

i will be

for the insane profits im gonna make

[ionic bronze]

is 60/hr even good in SF?

i feel like it's terrible

[abstract wagon]

its ok

[narrow patrol]

then, what's a good base salary?

[ionic bronze]

idk, 200k

[narrow patrol]

for pre ipo company

[ionic bronze]

200k for SF

[narrow patrol]

..

200k base

[cobalt raven]

YALL TRIPPING LOL

[narrow patrol]

wtf

[ionic bronze]

no i mean TC

lmao

[abstract wagon]

@ionic bronze bro ur not gonna make 200k

[ionic bronze]

200k TC

[narrow patrol]

even quant isn't 200k base..

[abstract wagon]

i promise

[narrow patrol]

are u cappin

[ionic bronze]

no lmao

[abstract wagon]

there's barely any companies that'll do 200k for u

[narrow patrol]

im asking about recurring btw

[tacit marsh]

i thought 175 was good for SF?

[narrow patrol]

never ocunt first year

[ionic bronze]

ft

[tacit marsh]

mmost companies do 50 in SF right

[cobalt raven]

idk what kind of a lifestyle you have but you can literally live comfortably with 100k in sf

[narrow patrol]

only a few companies do 200k tc

[formal finch]

^^ for first ye

yr

[fresh wren]

Aren't there rumors that Stripe might reverse IPO next year

[simple saffron]

how do you reverse ipo

[ionic bronze]

i've always had been under the impression that SF just sucks to live in and it's hella expensive

[narrow patrol]

full time?

[abstract wagon]

na ull legit die of starvation

[fresh wren]

A public company merges with you

[cobalt raven]

i've lived in sf..... lmfao

[ionic bronze]

and that 100k is literally poverty

[tacit marsh]

intern

[ionic bronze]

idk

[simple saffron]

oh you get acquired?

[narrow patrol]

50 isn't normal

[simple saffron]

by who?

[narrow patrol]

its very high

[abstract wagon]

capital one? 🤝

[narrow patrol]

50 is only "avg" for strong unicorns, or banks

faang is usually below 50

afai

k

[cobalt raven]

you're not from sf and you're saying this about sf???? huh????

make it make sense

[simple saffron]

i mean you can live anywhere with 100k its just savings that you have to worry about

[ionic bronze]

bruh wtf? this is my opinion i'm not saying it's right

[fresh wren]

100k in SF is liveable as long as you don't live in the city

[simple saffron]

nobody actually lives in SF city as a new grad

[cobalt raven]

chill out bro 60/hr is great

[simple saffron]

that would be nuts

gotta commute from oakland or south bay

[fresh wren]

@simple saffron you would be surprised

[cobalt raven]

you can def live in sf if you get roommates

[ionic bronze]

yeah but i feel like it's better to live in a low COL with 40/hr rather than 60 in SF

[abstract wagon]

boba's startup ipo-ing soon 🤝

[simple saffron]

you're saving 0 money if you do that but i guess you technically could

@abstract wagon imma short it

[fresh wren]

@cobalt raven its still super expesnive even with a roommate

[abstract wagon]

facts

[fresh wren]

Nah they didnt delay, PSTH didn't like their evaluation

it got cancelled

[cobalt raven]

@fresh wren i know but 100k can definitely cover it

[simple saffron]

so if you're holding equity from a unicorn and they reverse IPO what happens?

[cobalt raven]

i see. well texas is hot rn 👀

[fresh wren]

@cobalt raven u gotta factor in groceries and utilities too. Its super expensive unless you live a in a studio with a rommate

[ionic bronze]

@cobalt raven texas is gr8 but i hate the 100 degree whether 😦

[simple saffron]

what

profits == bad

[cobalt raven]

@ionic bronze then idk where else u can go for $40 an hour HAHA

pittsburgh

[simple saffron]

i guess

[fresh wren]

honestly thats true but no unicorn is considered a startup anymore

[simple saffron]

wasnt palantir hella profitable pre ipo?

[ionic bronze]

i thought palantir isn't profitable

[cobalt raven]

that's true but imig i was assuming studio with roommate when i said that

[simple saffron]

oh nvm maybe im misremembering

[narrow patrol]

@ionic bronze

whats 60/hr tc

like annual

[fresh wren]

@cobalt raven I guess thats true. I would just never want to live in a studio with a roommate. I would want at least 2 bedrooms

[narrow patrol]

ccause u said new grad right?

[fresh wren]

120k right?

[ionic bronze]

@narrow patrol 120k i think

125k

[narrow patrol]

hmm that maybe not the best calculation

unsure if thats base or tc thats why

for new grad its calculated all differently

[narrow patrol]

i c i c

125k tc right

?

[simple saffron]

yeah around 120k

[narrow patrol]

also, where at if you dont mind me asking

[ionic bronze]

sorry i got

mixed up with base and TC

houston atm

[fresh wren]

yeah its something like multiply your hourly salary by 2 and then add 4% and then add 3 0s

[narrow patrol]

oh i mean which company, and no worries

also u said 125k TC?

[simple saffron]

GTX 2080?

o fuk

[ionic bronze]

@narrow patrol i work at a noname start-up atm, also my TC rn is like 70k prorated lol

[simple saffron]

fuck i just wanna work at a startup so bad

fuck a big tech

[narrow patrol]

ah i see i see

honestly 70k isnt bad for TX

[ionic bronze]

it's not, i'm also just an intern and it's 100% remote

so it's gr8

[simple saffron]

oh thats really good

[narrow patrol]

oh wait what shit!!

thats awesome!!

i thought u meant as a new grad or w/ multiple YOE

lol

[ionic bronze]

oh no lmao

[simple saffron]

where do you guys buy pre ipo shares

[fresh wren]

@ionic bronze I'm at a no name startup rn getting paid 20 an hour so thats not bad at all lmao

[simple saffron]

ah

i did that with pltr

[narrow patrol]

im interning next spring at a larger company making 25/hr

so 70k prorate is great

[simple saffron]

and my gains are going sicko mode

or just invest in plug power and get free money

[nova knoll]

Goldman has Robinhood as well

[simple saffron]

chad

[ionic bronze]

oh i meant not-bad lolol, i see my mistake kek

i wanna work at roblox

[simple saffron]

and as an employee you have access to pre-ipo shares?

or is it just what you get as a bonus

ah gotcha

you cant buy more

they dont teach you any of these things in cs

i feel like a dumbass

lol im fine being a dumbass i dont wanna be a degenerate

[tacit marsh]

WSB is how you lose 50% of ur savings in a year unless u ride elon musk

[simple saffron]

idg whats so appealing about roblox shares

isnt the game antiquated

[ionic bronze]

robux shares

[nova knoll]

Lol go ask 8-13 year olds

[simple saffron]

lol yeah guess not my crowd

[ionic bronze]

so many people make a living making roblox games

[simple saffron]

how is a game designed for preteens so profitable

poor parents

[ionic bronze]

my friend literally made like $400 making a shitty house for a rich kid in roblox

[narrow patrol]

anyone know what some future ipos will be

[tacit marsh]

crack for 10 year olds

[ionic bronze]

he bought an rtx 2060 w/ that lmao

[narrow patrol]

like 3-5 years down the line

not interested in 2021 ipos

since i cant get there before ipo

lol

i want to join pre ipo

not after ipo

[simple saffron]

bytedance?

[narrow patrol]

i am too late for rh/stripe etc

what are some growing startup

that will ipo in 3-5?

i want to join a pre ipo company

new grad

as a swe

[simple saffron]

i think stravas gonna be huge

[tacit marsh]

bytedance seems like u have to be chinese to join them

[narrow patrol]

dm?

i wouldnt want bytedance

i mean

https://breakoutlist.com/

i feel like this list is rly good

[simple saffron]

maybe edutech seems like its gonna pop off soon

[narrow patrol]

some have ipoed already tho

[simple saffron]

like udemy, duolingo

[cobalt raven]

wait i've been looking at duolingo and idk what makes them profitable

[simple saffron]

you guys are not gonna know what im talking about but pay attention to ab initio

[simple saffron]

lol huge userbase idk

[narrow patrol]

shit i had another list too

i forget

hold on

lemme search my notion 👀

well, there are stable options that everyone knows will likely ipo

unless fucked by global pandemic

yea like base is often 110k+

which aint bad

[simple saffron]

if you're riding on bonuses to keep your house mortgaged ur doing something wong

[umbral heart]

Thats a nice box youre living in if your bonus is the down-payment

[simple saffron]

no theyre private

[narrow patrol]

this list is good too

[simple saffron]

ok great but question is how do you get your foot in the door to these companies if they have the attention of every young developer

[umbral heart]

Know someone that works there

[narrow patrol]

past faang/unicorn internships i think

[simple saffron]

true

so at our stage big n still reigns supreme

sounds like youd need to work w/ gov if you wanna be successful

its cause the boomers use it

i feel like its one of those cases where the userbase matters more than the platform itself

Why isn’t there more work being done with VR

I remember that being the hot thing 5 years ago

[terse torrent]

fb also makes it difficult

^

for individual devs

https://www.theverge.com/21455665/facebook-oculus-vr-indie-developers-power-monopoly-concerns

[final hawk]

stripe internship is fully remote for summer 😢

just got the email

hmm

i feel like lots haven't announced yet

but most will be most likely

i don't think facebook made theirs remote yet right?

oh i see i think there's lots of companies that haven't announced though

[proper mountain]

seeing alot of people on linkedin, Amazongoogle for summer and facebook for fall, makes me sad 😦

[nova knoll]

Yeah Amazon wfh till end of June don’t see internship being in person

[simple saffron]

could get roommates

[final hawk]

hmm you can get roomates 😄

[fresh wren]

Nordstrom is fully remote too

[final hawk]

but yea it is a little lonely

i had roommates but i didn't really bond with them

[simple saffron]

i always wanted to live in corporate housing with other students

[final hawk]

so whenever i came home it was just pretty quiet

it's strange cause living at home with my parents when i get home my parents say welcome home and stuff

or when i go back to my dorm all my friends are there and stuff

[simple saffron]

fb is allowing wfh forever yeah youre correct

[final hawk]

it's better safe than sorry though tbh

[simple saffron]

allowing iirc

[final hawk]

because vaccinations are out but it'll take time before a lot of peopel can get vaccinated

so better to just plan for remote

instead of making it remote last minute

[nova knoll]

Way too many logistics to get together

[simple saffron]

could make it mandatory for an in office worker to be vaccinated?

[fresh wren]

Yeah US is apparently gonna have 150 million vaccines by the end of March

[low epoch]

wfh might be more of hassle because mentors/teams complain about having to teach while remote and also they gotta send out laptops? Idk

[abstract wagon]

Oof virtual uni now this :/ rip

[fresh wren]

true

[edgy leaf]

how does wfh work with different time zones

[simple saffron]

i had my last internship get cancelled because they didnt want us interns working on sensitive data at home

so i think some companies will push for in person internships

[final hawk]

just gotta make it work

my co-intern over the summer was west coast while we worked for an east coast company

[fresh wren]

fb pays based on where you live tho rather than office location, so usually you get a pay cut

[final hawk]

so she woke up at 5am sometiems for 8am stuff

[proper mountain]

someone want to trade my summer offers with your facebook fall offer 🤢

[simple saffron]

yikes

[abstract wagon]

I thunk they’re pretty accommodating, WarnerMedia has a wfh spring pos and they told me that they’ll accommodate time fifferences

[edgy leaf]

jesus

[simple saffron]

id rather die than start work at 5

[fresh wren]

i struggle to start work at 9 lmao

[final hawk]

yea we just had 8am orientation so she had to wake up that early

but for the most part she didn't have to wake up super early

[abstract wagon]

Yeah I’m pretty sure they’d accomplish your 9-5 or at least 8-4 in case of wfh

[simple saffron]

ah ok

[edgy leaf]

i’m on the west coast i’ll see if i can get mine moved ig

[abstract wagon]

Accomodate*

[limber hazel]

has fb said if they adjust salary if you wfh yet

[abstract wagon]

That’d be ass

[limber hazel]

im wondering if its like

-20% if you wfh

no matter what

or something

[fresh wren]

nah

[limber hazel]

for ft

[abstract wagon]

Nah

[limber hazel]

not intern

[fresh wren]

its based on your col

[abstract wagon]

Idk I don’t think they’d do that

[fresh wren]

if u live in sf u have the same salary

[limber hazel]

okay so the real hack

is to live in LA

[abstract wagon]

Lmaoo

[limber hazel]

LA has really good and relatively cheap suburbs

but theyre like 2 hours away from the tech jobs

and the CoL around the tech jobs is higher than the bay

so you get santa monica CoL adjustment but live in arcadia or some shit

are there nice cheap parts of the bay though?

cause there are lots of nice parts of socal

[stiff vessel]

is milpitas relatively cheap

[limber hazel]

they just are far from jobs

yeah nyc has those too

[fresh wren]

@stiff vessel Nah not that cheap

[cobalt raven]

ye

[limber hazel]

I think all the nice suburbs in the bay are also the most expensive parts

[fresh wren]

@stiff vessel since its right next sj

[stiff vessel]

Isn’t it literally built on top of a garbage dump

[cobalt raven]

milpitas cheaper but it's a drive to everywhere

[fresh wren]

yeah lmao it is

[cobalt raven]

hi hiru 😄

[abstract wagon]

Join the bloomberg channel you’ll get some solid advice there

[fresh wren]

its cheaper than fremont and sj for sure

[abstract wagon]

Yeah go to bot_commands and type “!join bloomberg”

There’s a channel for it on the same server

[stiff vessel]

!join food

[unborn hornet]

@stiff vessel, Please run this command in the #bot_commands channel

[abstract wagon]

Lmao yeah gotchu, they really helped me wid the questions to prep for first tech and final

[simple saffron]

do yall consider all startups with valuations at 1b+ unicorns?

or just the cream of that crop

[abstract wagon]

I mean isn’t the def of a unicorn a company that gets to 1b?

[simple saffron]

yeah technically

[abstract wagon]

Then yeah ig 😂

[simple saffron]

but i was just wondering what people mean in this server when they refer to a unicorn

[abstract wagon]

Open to interpretation ig? Maybe im wrong lmao

[stiff vessel]

I think the set definition of unicorn is a startup that hits a 1B valuation

And then I’ve seen ppl throw around the term decacorn for 10B valuation

[abstract wagon]

Technically not wrong lol

[dapper shard]

Just had mongoDB phone

I think I’ll go ahead and interview with them

2 rounds. 1st is 45 min technical. 2nd is meeting with current mongoDB engineers and also technical. Didn’t specify how long tho.

[loud hollow]

good luck!!!

get that big n my guy

[dapper shard]

Bruh

I’m nervous as hell

Haven’t done enough LeetCode 😔

[loud hollow]

Just wing it 😈

jkjk

[dapper shard]

I actually like mongoDB as a company too 😔. Too bad I’m about to fuck it up. Time to prep tho ig

[loud hollow]

lc grind never stops 😴

[twilit mesa]

? go study then bru 😭

[raven sequoia]

Did anyone do the Coupang OA? I just got a Hackerrank Invitation with no Introductory Email.

[viral fable]

korean companies do OAs now too? wow

[graceful adder]

Coupang did OA last year too

but no response even when I passed all test cases lol

[silver notch]

I don't remember applying for Coupang lol

Just got invitation. Do they do us?

[thorn leaf]

same lol i applied early september

[silver notch]

I applied Oct 8th. How is the hackerrank?

[flat vine]

쿠팡!

[hallow cedar]

Yeah just got one for coupang too lmao

I applied for the office in mountain view

[stiff vessel]

쿠팡

[fierce shuttle]

anyone got akuna c# oa?

[thick ridge]

yea

I don't even recall applying

[sacred glade]

are salaries in boston too low for the col?

i feel like sf and seattle pay around 15% more for a new grad and the rent here is only slightly cheaper

the senior dev salaries in boston look pretty bad to me. they’re like the same as people with 2-3 years of experience in the bay area

[narrow patrol]

i think it depends on the company, if i recall correctly there are a few fast growing companies out of harvard/mit that pay rly well

[sacred glade]

@narrow patrol ohh are these unicorns?

[narrow patrol]

yea, like toast, formlabs, ginkgo, kensho, hubspot, etc

[sacred glade]

i think toast and hubspot pay ok but not that well compared to bay area startups that have massive funding

[narrow patrol]

ooh ok interesting i didnt know that

[sacred glade]

it’s pretty good for the boston area though

[narrow patrol]

yea, there is def much higher volume of these companies in the bigger tech hub agree

like, imo if you want the highest value (highest saving amount in terms of raw numbers) your best bet is a hcol tech hub like sf/nyc/seattle

[sacred glade]

Seattle doesn't have income tax

[narrow patrol]

well tbf taxes make up for like 10k or more of that right off the bat

w/o even considering col

[sacred glade]

I think working for Amazon in Seattle is prolly the best savings/income ratio you can get

SF and NYC are pretty comparable. NYC has more diverse companies in Fintech and trading firms that pay way more and it's just a more exciting city to live in when you're in your 20s and trying to date haha

Which is why most engineers are lining up to move from SF to NYC

I feel like companies in Boston are either: FAANG satellite offices, medium size startups, biotech companies, or universities and hospitals that don't really care about tech as much

[low epoch]

I would not neglect Seattle’s alleged difficulty in making friends as a con factor

No perfect city

[sacred glade]

I heard about the Seattle freeze. How bad is it?

[low epoch]

nyc is great for socializing

Well they get a ton of rain apparently and i think a huge white presence (no offense to white people) so i can believe it might be a little boring if it’s not to ur tastes

[sacred glade]

It's pretty sad to have 200k TC and no friends or SO ngl

[low epoch]

Literally biggest downside i’ve heard to bay area is tech bro culture lol

Sounds tolerable for a few yrs

Dont sleep on tx, almost no one hates on it

[sacred glade]

Spend it on tesla and studio apartment in SF with homeless drug addicts on the streets

[cobalt raven]

[low epoch]

You would have to pay me $500k to make me move to LA

My hispanic friends who live the san diego/tijuana border life love it

[sacred glade]

Every place has its tradeoffs I guess

NYC isn't as expensive as SF I think

[low epoch]

if u could have nyc diversity + sf tech scene + midwest COL you’d find heaven

[sacred glade]

It has cheaper rent and food

[low epoch]

I do think expense/income ratio matters as opposed to the fixation on absolute compensation

[sacred glade]

No place worth living has a low midwest COL

[cobalt raven]

caaaaap

nyc is so much more expensive

[sacred glade]

how is nyc more expensive?

[cobalt raven]

chipotle = $10 in sf, $15 in nyc 😭

nyc also has more taxes btw

[abstract wagon]

chipotle is not $15

[sacred glade]

$1 pizza slices in nyc

[low epoch]

TX counterpoint

[sacred glade]

and you can live in Brooklyn or somewhere further out in nyc

[cobalt raven]

20 pc mcnuggets were like $6 in nyc that's fuckign cap bro

[sacred glade]

can't do that in SF

[low epoch]

5 guys expensive everywhere

[cobalt raven]

can argue the same with sf tbh you can live in oakland

[sacred glade]

oakland is getting gentrified too

[low epoch]

I see LA as immensely overcrowded/culture-less/overglorified but i could be wrong

Brk not too bad

[abstract wagon]

@cobalt raven how is chipotle $15, what do you order?

[low epoch]

Where da guy who spends $30 on doordash every day

[abstract wagon]

where in brooklyn

some places are kinda nice

like dyker heights or whatever

[low epoch]

Im never stepping foot in nj again

[abstract wagon]

Bruh chipotle orders don’t go over like $13 for me wtf

^

steak + guac

oh i guess plus tax is 15

[low epoch]

chipotle is so good

[sacred glade]

steak + guac + tax would be $15 in SF lol

[cobalt raven]

literally same order as i do in bay area

chicken + guac

[abstract wagon]

na chicken + guac might be like 12-13

[low epoch]

Why the hate on brk, u can live in nyc and not go broke lol esp on our salaries

[abstract wagon]

its not thatttt diff

[abstract wagon]

Im more chicken than steak lol prob reduces it? Idk

[sinful oar]

long island is overly racist btw

[sacred glade]

agree lol

[low epoch]

Yeah if u can find a good roomie life is good

[abstract wagon]

brooklyn is pricey bruh

[inland bloom]

queens gang wya

[abstract wagon]

why yall make it sound like the ghetto

[low epoch]

U tryna say we need nj gf’s to live in nyc lol?

[sinful oar]

👋🏾👋🏾

[abstract wagon]

queens gangggg

[flat vine]

long island YUH YUH

[low epoch]

queens rise up

[sinful oar]

ew why the emoji so big

[abstract wagon]

holy shit nyc meet up????

[low epoch]

bruh it’s nyc there’s a bit of everything im sure u would be fine on tinder

Karaoke > bars ofc

[cobalt raven]

thoughts on living in UWS and commuting to times square?

i've been trying to find midtown places and theyre so expensive

[abstract wagon]

I feel that 😔

living in manhattan is gonna drain ur ass

[low epoch]

I’ll settle for tx

[cobalt raven]

hmm what should i avoid?

[low epoch]

Tx got the charm

[abstract wagon]

ive lived there

[flat vine]

i just wanna see the big balloons float by every december

[abstract wagon]

Lmao probably true but tbh I’ll still take it lmao

its not so grandiose

nyc is pretty ghetto actually

LOL

[low epoch]

lol you’re either a sf stan or nyc stan on this discord

[flat vine]

ppl that complain abt nyc being ghetto have never played tenderloin dash

[abstract wagon]

Its mot even the grandoise tbh lol

Its more about the city itself idk there’s just skmething about it

Bruh im MD rn tbh I’ll move anywhere lol

[cobalt raven]

seeing drug deals in the streets of tenderloin 🥰

[abstract wagon]

Lmaooo

[low epoch]

I just want to live somewhere gentrified to raise my sheltered kids and send them to good schools

lol the cs kid solution to making friends... bruh just download x y z apps”

[abstract wagon]

food in nyc is bomb lets get that straight 💯🤝

[low epoch]

I want to live in socal so i can wear my vans and be accepted, unlike this place where u get roasted unless u wear jordans

timbs, zoo york hat, big down jacket

[abstract wagon]

even with a roommate its pretty bad

[abstract wagon]

na thats just ghetto people

gg

[low epoch]

I want a cool roommate like some struggling soundcloud dj or somethin not a cs kid like me

[abstract wagon]

food cost isnt that bad tho

i just want a female roommate who can cook

[low epoch]

Living by urself way more viable in tx

[abstract wagon]

yeah but thats not attainable

[low epoch]

Dis guy well if she cooks u better do all the other shit

[abstract wagon]

drop your passport by accident

[abstract wagon]

ill just pay her rent 🥰

[low epoch]

Come to mexico then we’ll treat u right if ur light skinned and the cartels dont snatch u

[flat vine]

yo those cartels on some different shit istg

[low epoch]

I am like 2 degrees of separation from at least a dozen ppl been kidnapped by cartels, they aint no joke

Dont go to mx unless u mean business

[abstract wagon]

thats mad cap

where in nyc

bottom of the river?

😂

probably cus ofcovid

no one wanna live in ur damn house

[flat vine]

my friend once showed me these... extreme vids of cartel violence and lemme just say they killed any desire i had of traveling to that part of the world

[low epoch]

My ex got a place in brk for $1200 dawg

[abstract wagon]

brklyn though

u cant get that in manhattan

[low epoch]

It’s extremely saddening for mexicans cuz we love our country and it’s beautiful w some of best food in world. Not all of mx is run by cartels but yeah i wouldnt recommend going

[sinful oar]

you can get decent places for 1.8k in queens

brooklyn and manhattan is where it’s expensive

[flat vine]

these prices aren't too bad, in sf 2k gets u a nice shoebox

[sinful oar]

they’re beautiful but so expensive

[fallow shuttle]

bruh 8k

[sinful oar]

gentrification is killing nyc fr

[low epoch]

gentrification is public enemy #1

[sacred glade]

we're not most of the problem lol

the investors buying these properties are

we're not even upper middle class i would say

[abstract wagon]

owning > 1 building for profit should be banned frfr

[sacred glade]

like most of us would barely be able to afford a single family home in the bay area and raise kids there

[patent sluice]

yooo we having a revolution in this discord?

[sacred glade]

100k a year is defo not upper middle for bay area

[abstract wagon]

yes

[sacred glade]

low middle maybe

[abstract wagon]

kill the bourgeois

[patent sluice]

100k a year is good anywhere else

dallas

dmv

[low epoch]

Tbh yeah owning land is when civilization went bad lol

[abstract wagon]

i think owning land is ok

[warm crystal]

100k is lower upper middle class

[low epoch]

TX is great but people sleep on it!!!

[low epoch]

The lower part of the upper tier of middle class

[warm crystal]

yes

[abstract wagon]

i think people who buy multiple properties just to rent out at jacked up prices is the problem

[patent sluice]

its upper lower upper middle classs

[sacred glade]

people who can afford to buy multiple properties are the upper class

[patent sluice]

id honestly be down to take a pay cut if there was universal health care

[abstract wagon]

yeah the rich get richer while we toil

[low epoch]

Find a tight upper bound on complexity of tech people’s income. Use master theorem

[warm crystal]

Fly to mexico stay at a hotel, get a top class treatment, return. profit

[patent sluice]

yea when i think upper middle class i think of families living in nice suburbs with large houses decent school and stuff

[low epoch]

Hell yeah brother now ur talkin

[patent sluice]

but not rich enough to own like a yacht

same

[warm crystal]

yacht is overrated tho

[low epoch]

Upper middle to me is like the most successful lawyers/docs u know

Know personally

[abstract wagon]

i think people buy yachts to avoid taxes

[sacred glade]

this

[warm crystal]

And successful SWEs

[low epoch]

Its not us

[flat vine]

ppl also get married to avoid taxes

[low epoch]

VERY successful swe’s, the top 1% would be upper middle class bruh

[patent sluice]

i hope my children avoid the cycle of poverty

[abstract wagon]

if only 😞

[sacred glade]

ya lawyers/docs make more than us and they don't lose their jobs during tech busts lol

[cobalt raven]

they also have like 10 years of school bruhhhh

[abstract wagon]

idk its useles

[flat vine]

?XD

[sacred glade]

they pay off their school loans pretty easily

[low epoch]

Thats fine i dont care if they work 20 yrs to achieve upper middle, i have no prob w it, the point stands

[warm crystal]

Gimme the range of networth for Upper middle class

[low epoch]

We are not in their tier

[patent sluice]

being a swe out of college is generally a better financial decision than getting to be a doctor at 30

[sacred glade]

and they don't lose their jobs when they're 50 lol

[abstract wagon]

we're poverty

[warm crystal]

That's doable for most SWEs in 10 years

[low epoch]

If u bust ur ass as a physician u can get a beast specialty w good wlb so yeah

[cobalt raven]

yup and to do that you need to be top of your undergrad then top of your med school then top of your residency 😄

[warm crystal]

True

[nova knoll]

Investopedia says upper class in Cali is 190k

[abstract wagon]

thats cap bruh

[patent sluice]

cali is the richest country in the world

[abstract wagon]

sounds like middle class to me

[sacred glade]

Cali is pretty big though

[abstract wagon]

country lol

[patent sluice]

cali real life cyberpunk bro

no tech assassins just swe bros

[low epoch]

I agree with the premise we swe’s are in a privileged class but cmon, same as docs/lawyers??? Noooo

[warm crystal]

Imagine making more than your entire household, right after college with 0 dependents LMAO

[abstract wagon]

the regular swe < regular doctor

[patent sluice]

if you are able to invest your money/pay off debts you should be ahead of most doctors lawyers

[low epoch]

How can u see how lawyers and docs live compared to us???

[sacred glade]

i guess the top 5-10% of swes make as much as docs/lawyers

[patent sluice]

a dollar today is worth than a dollar tomorrow- warren buffett

[low epoch]

Solid take

[abstract wagon]

assets 🤝

[warm crystal]

Well... not if you're in Texas or Washington @abstract wagon

[patent sluice]

is transferring states as a lawyer hard

like do you need to retake the bar

[crystal river]

The median lawyer isn't particularly well off

Unless you go to a T14 school like Yale or Harvard

[low epoch]

People are bringing in things like opportunity cost, years of training, wlb when factoring in who is middle/upper class. These are irrelevant. It’s your income and assets

[sacred glade]

Like the single family homes in downtown areas aren't owned by swes

They're mostly old money

[patent sluice]

cs i feel like 30 is old kinda depressing

[sacred glade]

in banking, finance, consulting

[patent sluice]

30 is young in any other industry

[warm crystal]

yeah sad

[patent sluice]

old money... new hoe

[low epoch]

Yeah and we sell our souls to lc. We are all beholden to a different master

[patent sluice]

damn i wish i was born in like italy or some shit

move out at 30 before then its just straight vibes bro

tech crash when

[warm crystal]

Or ez... just marry rich

[patent sluice]

my personal goal is to get me a chinese sugar mommy

[warm crystal]

Goals

[abstract wagon]

same but korean

[sacred glade]

lul

[low epoch]

Respect for honesty

[sacred glade]

why korean

[abstract wagon]

cute 🥺

[warm crystal]

noons hahaha

[abstract wagon]

a cute noona

[cobalt raven]

oppar 🥺

[warm crystal]

Ajumms

[low epoch]

I just want someone to watch anime w me u all have standards too high

[warm crystal]

Just get an anime gf

[abstract wagon]

just get your right hand

[worthy terrace]

Has anyone here done the technical phone interview with Twitch? What kinda questions did they ask?

[warm crystal]

ok

[worthy terrace]

cant find any info anywhere

[flat vine]

get urself 밥 잘 사주는 예쁜 누나

[cobalt raven]

not many ppl get to phone i feel haha

[warm crystal]

I am not sure about the grammar there lol

[worthy terrace]

oh fr

[abstract wagon]

breh

[worthy terrace]

welp

i havent done a coding interview yet so i have no idea what to do

[flat vine]

its lit the name of the show haha

[warm crystal]

Ohh lol

[cobalt raven]

@worthy terrace you can look up !process twitch phone in the channel and then reach out to those ppl

[worthy terrace]

ooo good idea. thanks!

[flat vine]

but its correct either way

[warm crystal]

Ahhh I didn't know it was translated to Something in the Rain! WTF

English versions are soo diff

[flat vine]

밥 잘 사주는 예쁜 누나 = pretty noona that buys you food

[fallow shuttle]

where do I get one of those

[warm crystal]

Something in the Rain (밥 잘 사주는 예쁜 누나)

"When a single career woman reunites with her best friend's younger brother after he returns from three years of working abroad, their efforts to reconnect grow into romance."

[abstract wagon]

same

[violet wyvern]

Is LinkedIn still hiring?

[cobalt raven]

boring drama

tbh

[warm crystal]

I agree

[flat vine]

i've never seen more liberal translators lol

[warm crystal]

I couldn;t watch more than 4 episodes

Super generic, rinse and repeat

[patent sluice]

idk how east asia so horny and still got negative birth rate

[cobalt raven]

seo ye jin (i think that's her name) was so pretty tho

pretty noona 🥺

[warm crystal]

?????

You mean Japan?

[abstract wagon]

i just want a pretty noona

i can cook

🥺

[patent sluice]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_birth_rate_in_South_Korea

china next too 😦

[warm crystal]

👉 👈

[cobalt raven]

china got bad gender ratio

[flat vine]

@abstract wagon go fix s korea low birth rate

[warm crystal]

Korea is because ppl are too career focused

[abstract wagon]

im on it boss

[warm crystal]

My Korean noona is 34 and she has no interests in getting married lol. CAREER > FAMILY

[cobalt raven]

i watched a documentary where guys were kidnapping mongolian women bc theres no women in china due to 1 child policy

[patent sluice]

damn

[abstract wagon]

damn

[low epoch]

damn

[patent sluice]

tfw mao created a generation of incels

[low epoch]

Not just china tho

[warm crystal]

Yeah lol and the mandatory dinners

My friend told me that if you bail on dinners then you have no future

[abstract wagon]

good thing we're in murica

[low epoch]

This is the real reason nintendo japan has trash online for switch

[warm crystal]

So basically 15~ a day work

OOOF

[flat vine]

i thought it was 996

9am-9pm 6 days a weke

[abstract wagon]

gg

[warm crystal]

12*6 bruh

[flat vine]

9-6-6 is swe

9-9-6 is china

[abstract wagon]

9-9-6 seems nice. Do they make pyramids too?

[warm crystal]

That's like 72 hours a week

[abstract wagon]

wrong i work less than that

[warm crystal]

2 full time jobs

[patent sluice]

do ppl take careers seriously in italy

my cousin is like 38 and still tryna figure out what he wanna do

[abstract wagon]

It's siesta season

There was a Reddit ama about 9-9-6

[patent sluice]

imagine growing up in a country that cares about its citizens

[warm crystal]

Imagine growing up

There are kids in Syria

[low epoch]

imagine growing

• people less than 5’6

Oh dang i just saw ur syria comment my b did not mean to trivialize, jk

[patent sluice]

how tf is 996 schedule even physically possible

[warm crystal]

When are they going to spend their money?

[stiff vessel]

their kids will spend their money for them

[warm crystal]

Smh haha
When I was in Korea, everyone on the subway were doing some kind of online shopping

[stiff vessel]

korea is a mess

[warm crystal]

True tooo😂😂

Bruh what???

[stiff vessel]

the wealthier areas of china have a huge flex culture

[warm crystal]

Damn

[patent sluice]

in america we buy stonks

[warm crystal]

Is the pay good in China for tech? Since it's a booming market

[stiff vessel]

good relative to america?

absolutely not

good relative to other parts of the world maybe

[quick pawn]

its good but trash compared to america @warm crystal

[warm crystal]

Ohh lol

[abstract wagon]

Nothing is like USA

[stiff vessel]

but america is definitely the outlier here

[warm crystal]

Damn... America really does treat its SWEs well.

[stiff vessel]

corporate korea and corporate japan sux too

[quick pawn]

the only other country besides america with high pay for swe is like switzerland

[warm crystal]

Taipei SWEs make like 18k out of college

[abstract wagon]

Us citizenship is the best thing on resume

[stiff vessel]

wait singapore pays alright tho

well us companies in singapore

goldman pays singapore interns ~8k/mo

[warm crystal]

Sad but true

[stiff vessel]

id imagine that translates

[warm crystal]

Damnnn

[stiff vessel]

USD not SGD lol

[abstract wagon]

Omg

[warm crystal]

That's like amazing for Singapore

For avg peeps

[abstract wagon]

Wait it's impossibile

Exactly

[warm crystal]

I lived in Singapore with a household income of 70k and it was comfortable

[stiff vessel]

singapore housing is expensive but everything else is so cheap

[warm crystal]

Car is expensive lol

But you have great public transportation

[stiff vessel]

yeah but if you get a car in singapore youre definitely in the fuck you money class

[warm crystal]

You don't even need a car

[stiff vessel]

you can lease a car for 10x the price you can buy a car in the us

you rent cars in singapore for 99 years iirc

[warm crystal]

Yeah

Even house for 99 years

[thorn leaf]

yea and u cant own a car for more than 10 years by law in singapore

[stiff vessel]

they also have these massive no durian signs in the subway

its just a massive sign with a durian with an x on it lol

looks funny

[warm crystal]

Yeah lol

It's hilarious

Id say goldman sachs money is good

Singapore col is similar to socal

[stiff vessel]

tutoring is a massive business in singapore

[warm crystal]

Yeahhh it's soo nice... you can literally bike from end to end. (I did)

[sacred glade]

Yeah in housing lol

But food is so cheap

[stiff vessel]

$2 meals

[warm crystal]

Singapore apts are kinda depressing

They looks like concentration camps

[stiff vessel]

well yeah asia racist as hell lol

[warm crystal]

Ohh yeah... the xenophobia is ridiculous

[sacred glade]

Yea they're pretty conservative

Anti-lgbt too

[warm crystal]

Yeah lol

If you're white, you're chill

[flat vine]

asians are some of the most racist people

[warm crystal]

That's the case in entirety of asia

[flat vine]

we're racist towards other asians too lol

[warm crystal]

Exactly

[sacred glade]

asians are kinda divided

like east asians against the rest and even chinese, koreans, and japanese don't rlly like each other

[warm crystal]

I don't get when people call westerners racist... like bich you ain't ever been to Asia

[stiff vessel]

well that doesnt make westerners any less racist

but yes asians are definitely more severe lol

[warm crystal]

Yeah but you really don't see racism in the open

[sacred glade]

it's a different kind of racism

[stiff vessel]

come to the south my friend

yee haw

[sacred glade]

people in asia aren't aggressive

[patent sluice]

same my family is racist af 😦

idk how to even respond to it at this pt

yeah its so crazy

[warm crystal]

I only felt racism twice in the last 5 years in the US. But I've faced like 100s in Asia. Idk how US is considered more racist

[sacred glade]

the US is a lot more diverse than most places lol

[stiff vessel]

i dont think anyone considers us more racist than asia

but it doesnt mean us isn't racist

[sacred glade]

it's one of the few places that isn't racially and culturally homogenous

[patent sluice]

100% this

[sacred glade]

other than the US, i can only think of canada

[patent sluice]

when china is like 92% ethnic han and the last 8% is majority east asian looking people

[sleek gorge]

amazon vs paypal?

[sacred glade]

everywhere else sucks if you're not the majority race

[abstract wagon]

To be considered racist you need to see the problem. Most countries don't even see the problem

[warm crystal]

Makes sense

[astral folio]

im canto, also a lot of asian countries are racist to literally every race

[sacred glade]

their culture is way too different

[astral folio]

right

[patent sluice]

what does that mean

[abstract wagon]

true

[patent sluice]

my mom from shanghai

[stiff vessel]

well chinese is too large of an umbrella term anyways

[patent sluice]

:0

[stiff vessel]

so many subcultures that were just absorbed into ccp after their attempt to sinicize

[patent sluice]

tbf most han chinese ppl consider themselves to be chinese

even if they don't speak fluent mandarin

[sacred glade]

idk if the ccp ruined china but the chinese ppl from china i met don't really care about personal freedom and individual rights

and their values align more with trump lol

[abstract wagon]

[patent sluice]

when i was taking chinese last year my teacher had a sentence in a quiz that was like "so called human rights are often a hassle and do not contribute to the harmony of society " roughly translated

[abstract wagon]

Damn

[sacred glade]

yea they think that blm protests are bad for the country

[patent sluice]

chinese ppl dont care cause quality of life has risen a lot past 30 years

[sacred glade]

i'm like, why did you even come to the US then

[abstract wagon]

It's understandable btw

[patent sluice]

yea its understandable

[abstract wagon]

Money can make you accept everything

[stiff vessel]

no 996 in us

[patent sluice]

most americans dont rlly care when we drone strike a random wedding

[stiff vessel]

also they like to send their kids to american school

main reason from what ive seen

many abc in america who clash culturally with their parents now

[sacred glade]

the east-west cultural divide is huge

ofc you're not

[stiff vessel]

yeah abc in china still gets scammed in shops lol

they know

[patent sluice]

yea cultural divide is huge i can barely talk with international students

[abstract wagon]

cant scam me brah

master negotiator

[patent sluice]

is there a chinaman channel

[abstract wagon]

walk out with a deal and a phone number

Do Chinese international students have plans to go back home after studying?

[sacred glade]

they usually go back home

it's not 50-50 for sure

[abstract wagon]

yea cus india pays rupees

[sacred glade]

i think it's just familial obligations

and they fit in better culturally back home

[abstract wagon]

China is a superpower so it makes sense to go back

Why do they move out? It's more difficult to enter in China top universities right?

byte dance

and yeah usually

same can be said for korea

idk about japan

crazy how one test determines your life

[stiff vessel]

same thing in korea and japan

[abstract wagon]

But it's easier for international to go in China

?

u mean studying abroad?

If I want to study in China and I am in Europe/USA is not so difficult

idk how true that is

Just from my experience

do u mean a full degree? or just study abroad

Double degree

One from China and one from my uni

So you study half in China and half in your university and at the end you get two bachelor/master degree. It's becoming really popular and not so difficult to get in

idk

i think you would have to apply to get just the degree from a chinese uni to tell the difference

Yes sure

double degree could just be uni partnership or something along those lines idk

What's the China FAANG? Is there something similar?

[cobalt raven]

alibaba tencent bytedance

im guessing

[marsh meadow]

just replace american companies with china equivalent

google = BAIDU

amazn = ALIBABA

msft = 10¢

fb = ALIBABA

gucci = WISH

[flat schooner]

china equivalent of fb should be wechat

[hollow hawk]

thats owned by tencent

[flat schooner]

yep yep

that app literally does everything

[sacred glade]

it’s fb, instagram, snapchat all-in-one

but bytedance is huge for tiktok

[uncut herald]

How long does it take for Amazon to send out rejections after final

[edgy leaf]

@uncut herald a week

at least until rejection email

[viral abyss]

wait