#2021_summer
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which OA?
just swim down lake michigan
quant dynamic
i never got the python dev oa
but i'll be re applying for new grad
hopefully time to brush up on my skills
if you don't mind me asking do you go to loo?
lmfao
can relate
i go to western
but you still got akuna (hopefully you get the visa
)
so congrats man
akuna python OA was interesting
i didn't do it but i opened it and looked at it at least
@lunar burrow for akuna was the phone/finals LC hards?
one interviewer asked oop design, other asked an lc med i think
I say lc med because if you know your graph theory well, you can reason out the solution on the spot
was not a hard problem tbh
Did anyone receive assessment for tmobile intern?
Software engineer intern
what questions do fb like to ask? I've heard its two meds, can you get hards? Also what are the main topics to prep, dp trees or? Got phone interview inna month
I had a lc hard dp and easy first round then 2 lc medium for second
was the lc hard famous? Did u come up with working solution by yourself? idk if I can do lc hards yet lol.
What were the other two questions on?
i had a dp hard on final
I hadn't seen it before, but I didn't really grind leetcode this season. I coded the brute force then pseudo coded the dp and talked about some optimizations. the other problems were array stuff that weren't too bad
seems like everyones getting dp hard ffs
Ah okay thats pretty chill then, were the mediums on the easier side?
Lmaoo what, did the interviewer start talking shit?
yeah, my second interview felt easier than my first one
@abstract wagon mind if i pm?
@twilit mesa sure pm me
Do yāall think the latest lawsuit against Facebook will affect their internship program?
prob not right
I mean a lawsuit like this will take a while to affect anything
google was sued in october and I haven't heard anything about that since then
ive always understood it as you get that amount worth of stock in the company
it could be either or, depends on the company
some give shares and some give options
do you guys know any undergrad who has gotten a robinhood offer
why it feel like they only want to hire masters
even tho it says open to BS too :"(
might be because masters tend to have more field experience than knowledge than undergrads
is it open to both undergrads and higher education?
does anyone know if qualtrics does off season?
robinhood needs to have a high hiring bar to figure out how not to crash for an entire day
yeah a couple from my school got robinhood
the karat interview was so hard š¦
oh yikes my karat is in a week
have you taken 391
next sem lol
my karat dude asked a lot of OS and networking
mine asked a lot of those then LC medium
ya, scheduling, processes, some security, db stuff, etc.
like 20 conceptual questions
you can wing the karat, the quiz questions aren't too hard
hi
how would i ask my intern manager about tech stack and project ill be working on
i dont wanna sound nosy : /

@thick ridge idk you seem pretty chad for a soph
he is chad
anyone got tips on reducing nervousness before an inerview?
If it's an interview I care about it's sorta hard to reduce my nervousness, so I just accept it, calm my brain and do breathing exercises to control the physical symptoms which help control the mental symptoms
I think interviewing after you get an offer helps your future nerves because you become familiar with the experience of not caring about the result anymore. Then when the result matters again in the future, you already have all the synapses formed which I think partly helped me not get super nervous anymore
Thank u for the tips, yeah i have 2 this week, one today and one tomorrow and im really nervous for them coz these are the two Iāve wanted for years
Its just harder coz i get anxious when im nervous and those combined just make me feel āiffyā if u know what im sayin...
dry ass inbox this entire week 
I know what u mean, even after I had an offer when it was the companies I cared about I couldn't help but feel nervous
as if the stakes were way higher
have u done the first one
Does anyone know what the interview process for NASA is like?
bruh
Thatās what I heard, but I wasnāt sure if thereās a recruiter call or not
nasa out here blessing people
Paypal
yeah I do
normstorm is boujee
nordstrom rack is a lot cheaper
LOL
cause that's where all the unsold nordstrom stuff goes for cheaper prices
nordstrom rack has stuff from nordstrom that didn't sell so they sell it for cheaper prices
also it's usually smaller than the normal nordstrom
normal nordstrom has cafes sometimes too
the cafes actually aren't that bad the food is p decent
probably regular
cause nordstrom rack says rack in the name
conspiracy but nordstrom rack quality is much lower
hmm probably since it's stuff that didn't sell at nordstrom
yup
the quality is intentionally reduced
ohh you're saying it's intentional
Microsoft action center updated to āinterview schedulingā... what does that even mean
Can someone help me out with an serious and urgent problem?
my application stayed in that status until offer status lol
I don't think it's intentionally reduced, but more like B-grades
Instead of throwing them out entirely, they can still sell it for cheap
thatās just annoying, this is the first notification i got like this
they purposefully design bags and jewelry at lower quality for outlet stores - there's several news pieces on youtube about this. With j-crew, for instance, if you see diamonds stitched onto the brand tag at the collar of a t-shirt, you know it's from an outlet store. the regular j-crew stores don't have them
i think joma genuinely realized what was happening was messed up
techlead and stuff didn't though
whoever that other dude was that doxxed tren black
i forgot his name
me rushing to msft action center rn
!salary Tmobile
Unable to locate data on Tmobile
yea it wasn't joma
yea
ripp still says routed to recruiter
techlead was the one who deleted and wrote comments
Holy shit unity just asked for references after final o.o
The engineered truth guy?
you should receive an email soon
maybe
unless you already interviewed
i already had my first round so this message just seems delayed by 3 weeks
invite me to final already msft š„ŗ
Yea I hate that guy lol
Such a fake person
Yea it's so sad, like how can someone stoop so low
So I filled out my background check info yesterday. And I wrote down my experience at a small business (parents own)
I said I worked from may 2017 to feb 2019
Today my dad got called and said I worked from April/may 2017 to feb/March 2019
And I got mark as discrepancy
What do I do now?
anyone ahve experience with rippling interview
has anyone done the PIMCO coding challenge?
Opendoor or capital one for resume impact?
idk what opendoor is (maybe i live under a rock) so i would choose capital one since i just hear that name more often
opendoor
what does opendoor do?
are they tech?
if so then yeah opendoor over capital one
tech > fintech
Anyone got brain Corp OA?
its good
C1 fintech 
If I remember correctly pimco was pretty easy
what's the best way to prep for google swe intern interviews?
Opendoor
leetcode mediums
well lc hard is better
Amazon final interview is usually an LC easy and then LC Med for most people right? 10-15 minutes LP and then 30-35 minutes coding?
poo poo
just making sure
For intern pretty sure most of time itās just 1 coding question with some follow ups if they want
any tips? prob just gonna send it bc finals r kicking my ass rn
honestly dont remember anything about it except it was pretty fairly easy and im like average or below average at leetcode so you'll be fine dont worry
bet thanks chief
opendoor looks way more interesting, at least to me. Plus they're more of a proper tech company, so engineering culture would probably be stronger than C1
so I'd go to opendoor if you care about learning more
but for resume impact I guess C1 is a better known name
aren't employees not allowed to instantly sell their stock at an ipo
hey guys, i just got a really weird email from Microsoft, if anyone can help me decipher it?
opendoor >>>> c1 imo
more tech culture, stronger learning opportunities, and likely more respected to those who know of it (other unicorns and probably most big ns)
also it is IPOing soon so will get a lot of publicity nationwide
Does snowflake resume screen after or before the OA
you're at airbnb?
You can only use this command in #2021_grad_process or #2021_intern_process
Probs after
i was simping for c1 before they rejected me š
might be a host. didnt airbnb let their hosts buy pre-IPO shares
if my linkedin stalking skills are any good, they've been working there for little over a year
so it would make sense that 15% is not much
beast
not sure if this is common knowledge but attending info sessions apparently can "flag" your application at the time of application
increases odds, presumably
even if you're not explicitly told about that boost, i'm sure it happens sometimes
username checks out
lmaooo yea i might be slightly biased towards unicorns š
ig its rly more personal preference tho, i just feel like i would have more impact and learning opportunities at a smaller company like opendoor that is growing fast
however, if you want a more structured intern program, cap one has a very large intern class and plenty of systems inp lace for sure
also plenty of c1 alumni in big n
but, personall,y, i feel opendoor might stand out more on a resume
since cap one hires shit ton of interns
and, opendoor has quite a useful product that is growing widely throughout US. the engineering teams there seem to have a lot of ex-big n and unicorn ppl as well
WHAT
rip
that's pog o.o
yes
I was right :dab:
how is it
is the slack chat š„ right now with the IPO 
rest and vest š
how long is the lockup period @quartz dock
Today made a lot of millionaires over there
itās usually like 3-6 months right
6
whoa FB recruiter can see how often you visit/what you do on the career portal O_o
anyone know if amazon is still letting people move summer offers to winter?
i remember someone saying its pretty damn hard to get the request through but one or two people here and there were able to do it?
tf
unfortunate
they didnt even give me a chance š¢
sike
how are u snagging these peoples emails
take advantage. drop a link and refer yourself from their computer
:D
full for all of 21?
Idk about fall, i managed to change mine to the fall today
but idk if it's a limit for all of 2021 or for each semester
for snap^^
I think they're waiting for ppl to accept but it's p much full by now
If ppl decline they'll continue seeking candidates
If I'm applying to places for summer rn, can I put what classes I'm gonna take in the winter on my resume?
Yeah I don't see a problem with it
anyone have some advice for goldman sachs final tomorrow?
also how do you guys answer the question "why do you want to work in finance" lol
Moolah
????
Anyone applied to STEP Zurich o Munich?
Stupid chad question - if im interviewing with a company I really really want to work at, is it okay to tell my interviewer that I really want the job and would love to work at xyz? Or does that sound desperate/may play negatively towards my application?
A lot of students and recruiters told me that showing excitement and enthusiasm for the company adds points to your profile but is it okay to flat out tell the interviewer that I really want the job and would love to work there? (Obviously Iāll form my sentence so it doesnāt SOUND desperate)
Okay, so sorta twist it a bit, something like āthis role sounds like a good fit for my skillset and Iād love to be part of xyz company because...ā
Has anyone heard back from blizzard for any swe intern position
Is it courtesy that some messages u on jumpstart?
it's easy to spot if you really like the job or you are pretending. When i interview with for a product that i like, i ask a lot of questions about the technologies used, the future of the company and stuff related.
not too active here anymore but i hope everyone who's still looking gets the bread soon :D
Holy shit I finally got rejected from Cisco after 5 months of ghosting
Imagine if they could cap the feeling of an new unread email from a talent acquisition team in your gmail
it took EA a year to reject me š
My amazon portal updated with interview date but I havenāt received an email. Will i receive an email soon with the details for the interview?
Amazon not accommodating switch from Summer to Winter internships š¦
I've heard that some people didn't get the email but you should assume the interview date on the portal
is hr call for bloomberg interview a good sign or does everyone get it
They will definitely send you an email soon with more details like the link to the call and stuff I think. If you don't soon, you should prob contact them
got goldman final today and i dont feel like it at all :/
Transfer it over to me š¤Ŗ
I and a few others heard back I think they are hiring in waves because they gave me a really long time to accept my offer
Does amzn take into consideration the OA when taking a decision? I literally left one question blank on OA2 but got a final round invite yesterday
So just wondering if it even is worth a shot lol
Anyone heard back from Comcast?
If you got final it's worth a shot, yeah
lol that's wild
but yea, i'd say it's worth it
expected value is literally +inf
unless you value 45min of your time that much .-.
Is the Microsoft final just 1 interview then offer if you pass, or are there multiple. Email I got says you may have multiple interviews
i've heard it's 3?
But idk if it's just a generic email for all interview stages
but that was for PM a while back
I had two back to back
For SWE?
yes
Were they both technical?
yes
hmm
Trying to decide whether I should schedule it for next week or push it until after January 6th
@haughty torrent where did you hear amazon is not a accomodating summer to winter switch?
Emailed them yesterday and that's what they told me
Yeah trying to try to either get Amazon or Activision for offseason
oh haha i meant im trying to get one moved to offseason so i can do the other in the summer
oh gotchya lol
do you another offer
what
do you have another offer *
Would you guys reccomend for or against putting relevant coursework on resume for big n/faang?
imo relevant coursework should be completed courses (not ongoing) and it should be minimalist-looking (unobtrusive) and no more than 2 lines
when clearing space for a resume, such courses should be among the first thing to go however
Any reason why not to add ongoing courses ?
Itās not really bad or anything but if u need the space yeah itās good content to eliminate. I just think youāre reachin when u put ongoing stuff, like you havent completed it
I dont think it makes or breaks a resume or impressions
And i would be sure to be clear about which courses are ongoing. Not simply a catch-all ārelevant courseworkā
Yea I agree with that
I donāt want to be asked interview like questions about it and then I say I am still taking it
Lol
Another tech company moving into Austin this time Oracle
i want to get into a good living situation in austin before it gets really expensive
i was hyped about DFW area but people keep on saying people from there are bougie and im not about that š¦
I got a systems design in my Goldman final 
How could the leetcode betray me like this

nope - only if you accept an offer - then allllll the free goodies. But you had an on-site interview you probably would have gotten free stuff in normal circumstances or at least have been able to visit the company store.
hey guys
Howdy
does anyone know any good resources for places still open for internships
other than LinkedIn, Indeed
The all-in-one platform for helping college students land internships and new grad jobs.
anyone faced this situation before?
I applied to amazon back in september with a referral. then, I got an email to log in to my portal (this one wasn't the students portal for some reason) to complete and submit the application, which I did immediately. Then, yesterday I get an email from student programs that my SDE intern application is still incomplete. I can't even log into Amazon's student portal with my email.
Heck I can't even use my email to sign up for a new account on the student portal
im def not bougie
If you're in the downtown, yes! Anywhere else, hell naw
Dallas is the place to be
just got tik tok phone but first round is 12/28 my offer deadline is 1/9 do yall think they will just be like okay, nevermind good luck or should i let them know
Well... it depends on your religious and political stance. And most importantly, your bank balance!
I personally love Dallas area because all my friends are from there, and it's cheaper! And it's closer to a lot of non Texas cities.
However, if you're a city dweller, then Austin would suit you far more than DFW. DFW is HUUGE and it take 2 hours from end to end
i personlly thinkg dfw dookie. i've been here for 7-8 years? austins more of a vibe like aerio said
but its pref based. i tend to like more crowded/busy areas
never seen dallas lively lol
^^ I agree! Dallas isn't lively by any means... it's the combination of the small texas town vibe embedded into a city
same
Bruh I grew up in one of the most populous cities in the world. And I feel like I missed out on the real experiences of the country life.
country life is boring asf
nothing to fucking do
ever
except get drunk
smoke
or drive around
I mean... but you're really close with friends and family
I feel like my family was always busy doing something
you know how fun it sounds to go out to a barn in the middle of nowhere and get drunk because there is nothing else to do 
arkansas has smaller towns than that
literally places in arkansas ive never heard of still because when you go somewhere you drive right through them
Yeah lol... I'd never want to live in a town under 100k lol
I'm currently in a town with 250k peeps, and it's perfect
Cheap and nice
Yeah to me
what if there's a bunch of neighboring cities
i wish you people could visit arkansas and see what its like here š
and realize why i want to leave š
yeah lol I've been to arkansas
It's pretty to visit, idk if I wanna live there
My town in Texas literally has tumbleweeds lmaoo
It's that country
arkansas is pretty ill give it that
"the natural state"
northwest arkansas is the only nice place to live though
Well that's a diff story, it's "bay area"
The area population is MUCH higher
central arkansas is okay
My town is 4 hours away from the nearest city
Any good cities?
i mean you have little rock which honestly you want to stay away from that place because its dangerous asf
bryant area is growing a lot
but bentonville and fayetteville are the only nice places. Rogers is okay
besides that, northeast arkansas is just poverty tbh. and then southern arkansas doesn't exist. might as well consider that Louisiana
What do you mean?
I heard little rock is a really nice town
little rock used to be one of the most dangerous cities in the US
if you live in the nice places there then it can be nice
like if you stay out of southwest, west, and north little rock you would be okay
Are there any tech companies hq'd there?
lmao no
F
i mean you have walmart in bentonville
but they don't even hire arkansas college CS students because most are just really bad. they hire all out of state
i think new grads get paid around 80-85k which in arkansas thats really good
TC? or just base?
considering acxiom which is our college-company pipeline only pays 55k out of college
TC i think
ohh... but I assume you'd live good in under 20k right?
eh yeah something like that
living in arkansas is very cheap compared to other places
to me this place just isn't that nice to live. maybe retire. its nice and quiet here at least
Yeah fair! That makes sense
just not the place for a person trying to experience life in their 20s
my friend who grinded recruiting season for his first time ever just got an offer to IBM for cybersecurity red teaming š
what does it mean
when during my behavioral final round today
my interviewer said at one point "of course id have to review the feedback(from previous interviews) but i'd love to have you join"
but then like later on after the allotted he asks some deeper and more personal career questions he says based on my responses "yeah you'd probably like a smaller team(theyre a big company)"
"you should consider that in your career as a whole"
im so mad i shouldve ended on a good note
he went like 30 mins over too so i think he at least enjoyed talking to me
but he wouldnt make a decision like that would he
he alr said he thought id be a great fit for them in terms of skills and the actual position but he wouldnt reject me because he thinks i wouldnt like working there would he
i also did p well on both technicals before that but idk
it sounded like he wanted to reject me for my sake towards the end LOL
Itās not his job to reject accept on the spot
I finished my final interview with zillow today. I messed up a little in one round. HR immediately mailed me to schedule a meeting on monday. Do they call to give a reject?
so like as long as i did p well in the other parts of the interview i shouldnt have to worry right
i thought i did p well thats why besides the ending part that sounds sus
Yeah u will be fine just gotta wait and see
fuck hopefully
has anyone applied to Amazon Future Leaders?
i got final interview without OA???
honestly so confused š
OHH thank you! @tame ridge
do they use the same coding questions as regular amazon internship?
not sure what to expect for the interview
I mean as long as they didn't say it in like a condescending way, I'd assume best intentions (that they're just giving some honest career advice)
Out of Shape Security, NGINX and Big-IP, which team/product would be best to work on?
has anyone here heard from zoox
yes
anyone here do the HireVue for JP Morgan ABP Fellowship?
for people who did amazon interview, how long did it take after filling out the survey w interview times to hear back about your final date
havent gotten an email yet
fuckkk hopefully
o well i did alright ig
whatever happens happens
how would yall compare hackkerank mediums to leetcode mediums
or hackerrank difficulty in general vs leetcodes
i heard a lot of OAs were on hackerrank so im getting used to the style of question
are there channels for class of 2021, 2022, etc.
hey anyone take googles Oa? also what is the process like
Did you get that recruiter review?
It is basically another step in the interview process
So you may move on or not
i tried to make 2024 but admins ghosted me
You were asked to fill out some forms right?
wtf
sig just sent me a pack of playing cards
do they send it to everyone who applies??
i'm torn between bloomberg and imc trading (london/ams), any thoughts on which one is a bigger cv flex?
Your IMC offer is in London?
doesnāt bloomberg pay low? my friend is getting $22/hr no housing support in NJ
bloomberg london / imc ams
yeah imc is around x1.5 higher for interns
for resume flex IMC is a no brainer
Actually it can depend on what youāre targeting
But in most cases IMC is better
thats good to hear, just haven't much about imc prior to applying
the reason i'm even considering bloomberg is cause i think i'd prefer to work full time at bloomberg rather than trading, mostly cause of wlb
Their hiring bar is def competitive with unicorns which are all >> Bloomberg
but trading seems like a fun place for a short internship
IMC doesnāt have bad wlb iirc
but Bloomberg you can prob get away with 25hr weeks
yeah from what i've read its come to the morning meetings and leave whenever you're done
i think imc's brand might be a bit stronger in the us than it is in europe, could be cause they don't have a london office
also the chicago + nyc offices are probably larger than ams
I can't believe it's that low. Is this for SWE? or is it some global data internship?
I mean if you managed to get IMC then you can probably get bloomberg again later
so if you want the resume clout then IMC makes more sense
someone teach me how to get into trading firm 
Step 1) Be good
Step 2) ???
Step 3) Get offer
if only
there's not much of a secret to it lol
just gotta be ultra smart or hardworking
or have some niche skill which is highly sought after
global data
Yea that's not the same as SWE
SWE interns should be getting paid at least 40/hr (USD) with housing provided
Global data is literally not swe lol
Idk what exactly they do but I remember that global data interns aren't invited to the same events as swe interns
Some of the same events*
I did a final round with them
Anyone hear back from Dell?
imc brand is big in EU
plus amsterdam is super cool
might be just my friend bubble being biased towards other trading firms in that case
how does imc softeng reputation compare to some other trading firms (citadel/ts/js)?
Yea cap lol
People interview, get the same standard offer, and then decide which office they wanna join
So NY and NJ pay should be same (excluding negotiation)
Is netflix doing intenrships this season?
I see them hiring a bunch of University Recruiters
ya
isn't their new-grad hirign bar super high
curious to see how the intern bar will be
netflix doesnāt hire new grad ppl
oh? is it just like research ms/phd students
i see internships for those
oh so its directly swe?
or like what level do people get jobs at netflix lol
there has to be some entry-level position
I think they are changing that
have you done the OA?
how does netflix not have any full stack positions for intern š¦
https://jobs.netflix.com/jobs/47956263 ... i guess they do after all
i applied for this one
cloud security is huge but not really developing anything which is kind of boring
BS or MS degree
didnt even know there was an apple oa
I received one a few days ago
i think they have just gave an automatic hr to everyone for a role
idk, it's my first time receiving one after 2 prior years of ghosting 
oh shit
too many people have received it, it must be automatic lol
š not me at least
it's for a UK role
ah ok
Advice for Amazon OA2 / Amazon final interview? (USA)
Is there a trend of questions Amazon seems to be following, like mainly strings, arrays, DP, graphs?
nope
F
hella luck based
just most freq leetcode question
sounds good
blind 75
has anyone actually benefited from moving their grad date up
like next year i highkey might just say im graduating 2023 to get more opportunities
I think most people do it so they can start working sooner
You can only use this command in #2021_grad_process or #2021_intern_process
has anyone here interviewed with Bloomberg phone screen? what was the level of the questions? (difficulty/type)
yes
phone interview was 1 lc harder easy and 1 OOP/class design question
the OOP question was about subway stations and how to track sign ins / outs and stuff like that
okay, huh they reuse questions then coz a lot of these questions are on LC
my apple phone and final round was for apple's "software engineering internship", internal tools team, cupertino, CA
no, reject after final
for me I got schedule interview email from recruiter after 2 days
who knows
yea
I really hope so, that's what i wanna eventually transition to
if u don't mind me asking, did u land an offer at a quant?
usually u can't really trade
u can invest passively
with 10% ROI in ETFs and a good salary you won't really care lol
some firms let you invest money with them too
Has anyone interviewed with mongoDB here?
lmao I wish I was that big brain
damn I wish I got JS, I got to their phone screen but after that it was a hard reject
UMD, some finance experience, JPM, this one database management company in the UK (also finance)
JP Morgan
University of Maryland - College Park
yeah they took me in for the phone screen
but the questions they asked kinda fucked me lol, this was back in october tho so I wasn't even prepared
Junior
Lmaooo yeah UMD comp sci's actually pretty good
they asked me a few theory qs
Bruh lmao
like concurrency, some design logic and stuff....
yeah the Quants really care about their interns knowing concurrency
lmao yeah im getting grilled in one of my algo classes
I think I'd be fine in terms of cluture
but i just need big brain
gonna retry next year
I think it depends from company to company
yeah I'm tryna get away from standard SWE tbh... plus I really like finance + stats
makes quant a good fit for me... plus I actually find the quants work super interesting
I actually gave the MSFT interview
phone screen lol
hard reject... I was on 2 hrs of sleep
and blanked out
lmao I honestly couldn't believe I fucked up the easiest question they could ask
yeah
they asked depth of binary tree lmaooooo
i got recurssive
but then she asked iterative
and I completely spaced out
I forgot BFS exists
I have a virtual onsite with D.E. shaw coming up in January
time to (maybe) get rekt
Goddamn, congrats dude, getting as far as onsite with DE is insane
they rejected my application lol
thats faccs
I know right
they're pretty much JS but I think kinda bigger
interviewer got stuck on a project I worked on years ago, was embedded systems related
lmaooo i got reject in 2 weeks
JS resume rejected me this year, but last year I got their OA
Don't apply in November lmao
yeah, exactly the other way around
quants start in like june or july from what I know
the only quant lead I have rn is 2S... touchwood I hope that went well
GL with 2S, hope you get it!
gave their Phone Screen friday lol... I really do hope it works
its the only quant lead i have
Yeah, same for me. I just want to see how it goes, taking notes for later (assuming I get rekt lol)
Thanks man I hope u get DE, DE is actually insane, u must be a G
Nah, just really focusing on distributed machine learning and infra stuff right now. Got lucky with the interview too, since he loved some of my previous work.
I actually saw a bunch of videos and posts on quant interviews, they tend to focus on concurrency and systems design
if u got the interview, obv they loved ur previous stuff... must be big brain work, kinda wish I took some time to do that
again, ymmv tho
Not sure about the big brain lol, I wish. I do, however, try to do as much as possible to learn new stuff and I'm doing quite a lot of research related to systems/ML at my uni right now.
and that's what they want lol, quant work's a lot of research... if you're good at it they'd be lucky to have u on their team
would be a great opportunity for sure
either way, lesson learned.... sleep properly the day before an interview!!
DE Shaw
for JS, I'd say show some interest in Finance, maybe mix in a bit of trading (maybe a project on quant/trading/crypto?)... I guess a little bit of sys design and you should at least land the interview.... but again with Quants its sort of a hit or miss
they're pretty selective
doesn't hurt to have a referral
I maintain a longer resume for research work and projects, which I sent to desco. One piece of advice I can give is to apply early. Another thing I can add to this is that it may depend on the role you're applying for, but for software they seemed to like that I had previous experience in systems/infra related stuff.
what role was this for? I haven't heard of JS asking theory questions
for trading? or are you in UK? they don't do SWE OAs in US according to blind
js (and prob most hft) is picky about top schools but no name school can and does get in.
Many sweās after a bit of experience get in as well
Yes, i have no real figures one way or the other but if u said only 5% of those getting in are non-top school i would agree
good school, good GPA and previous internship at prestigious company is a good formula. no need to show interest in finance
yep if you've worked at Faang ish places but go to a no name school you can still break in
Not trading, last year I received a hackerrank for their swe intern role in the UK.
Js in particular has many undergrad programs as well that are viable to enter and demonstrate interest -> higher chance getting in, check their website
ahh I see, their UK recruiting for SWE is pretty different apparently
true. solving puzzles & attending their estimathons/etcs is a good way to get their attention btw
Yeah i would only assume the diversity initiatives will improve, even with the most conservative/āelitistā companies. By diversity, i dont mean just your cultural background but also school, etc
You gotta be exceptional either way
Unicorns count as well
(my friend with a really strong resume interned at Microsoft with a good GPA at Georgia Tech and they didn't interview him initially)
yeah, it should also be noted that it's just 1 piece of the puzzle. they won't interview every Google intern or every unicorn intern
I guess what iām trying to get at is hft/quant is the top grade of selectivity but even THAT tier is viable if u have more reasonable standards i.e. -> get some solid experience as a ft swe then apply there
But if weāre gonna talk new grad then yeah youāre aiming for the moon
yeah I think it's a little easier as experienced engineer to land an interview but some firms only/mostly hire new grads
yeah
I think so too
The one person i met who broke the aforementioned pattern was fella who went to mid tier state school, 2 years at a unicorn, applied to js, said they did lc practice about 6 months
They got in
Very smart fella
URM so make it of what u will
Get into js
Get into unicorn
Crazy how this discord is top tier of cs and even the sum knowledge of this group has an inkling of know-how on how to consistently get past screen
because it's all rng
Yep
It is hard to get into any tech company without experience š
you could get resume rejected at one company and then get an interview at a similar tiered one with the same resume 
Yea if you js insight its easier to get an interview
How people get into js insight?
Is it like only people from top schools
Like Uber star
Yes and that, my friends, is the real curse of being young/naive/URM. Ignorance
I applied and got rejected from all of them
hot take: freshman year was really just me trying to make friends and fit in being >2000 miles away from home

the last thing I was thinking about was recruiting the fall of my freshman year lol
I didnt know freshman did internships when I was a freshman
Yeah ofc because 90% of college majors thats what u do first 2 years, chill hard
I was just trying to make friends lol
it's crazy though it's like perpetuating hustle culture and incentivizing the grind earlier and earlier
soon we'll have to start applying to really selective firm internships our junior year of hs
Believe me bub i was proactive and hungry but i just had no real clue or peers to push me. Where to direct energy? Where to look? r/cscq was closest i came but thatās faang or bust
in order to stand a chance
Yea this discord is great
^
Process amazon offers
But tbh more people getting info and being proactive will make it more competitive
The amt of those we have every wave
I probably wouldnāt have gotten an internship without this server
I have faith there will be a positive feedback loop where more jobs/need will pop up. Tech drives the world
haha that's true
Senior eng is in demand covid or no covid
Soon we will be taking those roles
~ 5-10 yrs
Depending on where ur at
Yea but there will also be more senior engineers them
When we become senior engineers
By how much, I have no idea
that's what it's like in the bay area apparently
Maybe they will have transitioned into eng management who knows
Itās fine, at least our profession is not so incompetent and politically motivated like physicians stifling the supply
v true
Wut
90% of cs jobs are solidly mid tier and 90% of cs students will continue taking them
Future gen cs will be fine at least another 10 yrs hopefully
yeah but most still aren't competitive
wut š
I think LC might die out if it gets games too much
there are def a lot of companies that pay well and aren't considered "top companies" though
The bar is increasing
ofc "pay well" is subjective--a $90k salary in Kansas is balling whereas in NYC not as much
Dudes there are stories online all the time of the most mediocre of cs majors making six figures in 5 years doing the most mediocre of tasks
In India they now ask competitive programming questions
nah it starts being a negative signal. then you only get people who prepped and all the people who would figure out mediums on their own now fail
i heard berkeley is offering a leetcode/interview course soon
Its not unfathomable we end up there soon
it's starting to be
Honestly
or maybe i misread or smth
some LCs you can only know by memorizing rhem
Yea when it becomes more competitive it becomes like india
akuna asked my friend the currency arbitrage question
you can't solve that efficiently without knowing the solution or at least knowing of the algorithms used
like if you've never learned that in algos you can't solve it
this
the problem w/ our field is that it doesn't have a license like real engineers so we have to keep proving ourselves over and over. couple that with the fact that many candidates are underqualified for roles yet apply anyway mean there has to be a quick way to filter out candidates
Some interviewers do it the right way
introduce leetcode
But many don't
it's not everything, though some companies bastardize it into that
Some interviewers are trash
bad companies only care if u solve
as long as LC saves them time, they'll keep doing it. What's worse, is that non-faang/unicorn companies have started to incorporate LC into their interviews now.
rng rng rng rng rng
Not necessarily, its interviewer depenendent a lot of times
people don't believe me when I say this but it's very true. I did not solve any questions optimally for half my interviews
To say that 100% all interviewers at good companies do it the right way makes no sense
this is a decal not an actual class berkeley offers
most companies standardize the interbiew
ah gotcha myb
Same but I've also had opposite experiences as well
nw a common misconception
what's the opposite experience? solved optimally and didn't pass?
like keras said that's not everything
Yea and the interviewer kept pressing for something more optimal
rng dictates everything tbh
oh for sure that exists
Mediocre solutions with great verbalization of explanation is prob fantastic
not every interviewer follows that tho bean
More often than not I've seen people say their interview went really well and then come back to report that they didn't pass vs people saying it went ok and moving on to the next round or getting an offer.
agree
Yea so you can't not be perfect and pass a lot of times
I think people's intuition is usually close to opposite
dude same
Sometimes i truly truly do wonder...how many of us here just straight up have garbage soft skills LOL like even the most talented cs majors we may just suck at explaining and not know it
Not necessarily true, it's a interview case by case tho
I thought I wouldn't get invited back after lunch
at de shaw I literally did not solve anything optinally
citadel I used a shit load of hints
soft skills are hard to really get unless you worked a job before
yeah prob true
We are quant hiring managers yes
hahaha
pls hire me
I think mock interviews help
u need to be relatable tbh
esp if the other person is blunt
Iām sorta with u there. I feel i can explain and converse well but my technicals are weak and some interviewers let it slide and i can tell some dont
i would rephrase that you cant solve it
I think it's a combination of soft skills, having an impressive resume and really showing ur experience through the way you talk
because in reality, you might just need to break it into components
You say soft skills matter more
if you can get the optimal solution, that means you're actively hunting
But many people ik at these places are socially incompetent
Soft skills have no winning formula. There is no greedy algorithm to get them 
I've always worked part-time in addition to uni, even did a stint as a freelancer
i personally think class projects are weak, but my uni class projects are weak tbh
Yes this is lowkey SUPER important, even just bring it up in interviews. I assume u mean group proj
anecdotally I think JS is very selective on personality because everyone I meet there is v nice
all my personal projects gotten interest more than class projects
Iāve seen too many successful ppl with relevant experience and no projās on resume that i have lost faith in proj lol
is there a company for simps
I don't think you have to be super like talkative
well, those successful peeps removed projects
u can be awkward and stuff
because they got exp š
but if ur not v nice they prob don't like it
idk, there are peeps with egos who got hired
Yeah but a lot of people start out with local internships or like tangentially relevant experience. It substitutes for projects; way better
Yea lmao lots of people with egos get hired
Yeah, I removed my projects once I had relevant experience and multiple internships. I moved my projects to a longer resume and add them only if they are relevant to a role I want to apply for.
my soft skills > my lc skills 
Ofc, but you need some exp for those local internships as well
Like as i have added my mediocre projects i have realized i get WAY more mileage explaining them WELL than the proj actual merits
Yea same
soft skills arent that helpful for interviews as long as you're not trying to be a douche
If you meet a lot of people at these companies like fb or amazon you'll see their soft skills are bad
thats not all of industry lol
Prob is diminishing returns where if u can be more sociable than 50% of cs majors u made it
i know a few peeps at amazon who have great social skills as well @spice mango
U can be an introvert gamer anime wallpaper having nerd and still have soft skills, dont mix em up
maybe not actively but ur tone and stuff matters
the way you collaborate
how much u talk
a lot of people everywhere are douchebags 

bosco, literally unpleasant as someone can be get into fb and amazon
i still land tons of offers
Yea lmao
i keep hearing everyone mention bosco
is he that dude who used to hang out around here?
dont remember tbh
i think hiring people based on culture is stupid
even for intern you have to have the skills
Yea he got booted for being extremely toxic (ex. Sexism)
interviews are like 95% technical skill 5% soft skills
o dammm i see
i wasnt rly active back then so i dont remember much lol
I think so too but prob for different reasons than u lol
idk but they will lol
which faang level company
dont u need to lc for
and can get in with personality
lmk
lol I still list projects and I think they do have a big effect, I get asked about my OS project a ton
can confirm this never happens
HMs love to ask about my thoughts on rust
U claimed its 95% tech skills and 5% soft im gonna say
85/15
i am the one who is fun to work with and grinded projects all summer
instead of leetcode
and i dont get picked by those companies

ya it could be 85/15
well i meant faang
i fucked my chance at amazon lol
not salty, just pointing out that i didnt get in
I learned that culture fit is a big deal to some companies and matters little to others. For example, my amazon interviewers grilled me on their leadership principles but fb only asked me about my interests.
i just need a place that isnt full of bullshitters
not amazon :/ can confirm
Yeah, I agree. When I apply with my longer resume I tend to get a lot of questions about my systems/infra projects.

I would assume that for unicorns or when being interviewed by potential boss all these claims about importance of soft skills become more likely to be true
didnt u land gusto u simp @narrow patrol
cough yes
but not bc of my LC skill
just real world coding & behavioral skill, which i never said i dont have
I wanted to do an experiment, post a job listing on linkedin and interview everyone
2 low tier internships >>> 5 beast projects
to find out whether this is true
not going to argue this anymore
yes work on your personality
itll help u get into faang and unicorns for sure
!!!!
we need a leetcode for personality 
Iām stuck on the likable portion, anyone have tips
lol
ya OAs suck tho cause there's no back and forth and they don't read ur code
just a binary signal
dm, cant promise anything but i would say im p likeable
This is literally like being good at a fighting game. U have to level up execution skills (in this case lc) before even thinking of working on your psych/mindgame skills
People who play fighting games will understand
disagree personally
you should but dont have to
are you a URM by any chance
i got decent offers w/o good LC skill, with only personality and good coding skill
im curious
who
u
U have to reach x level to expect to beat people at x level consistently iād assume
gg
sometimes I get lucky with then but I got one that's impossible from one place
2 LC hard in 45 mins or something
nah
personality can pull through sometimes but majority of the time you need the LC skills
it was IMC iirc
some places actually are
it's a dumb skill to select for
imo
rip
but passed JS lmao
trader diff ig
We need to compile list of company events, attending them are auto pass on resume screen
ochad is built completely different lol
IMC's OA at least for Amsterdam is just ugh. Just LC me, I hate those stupid numerical tests.
It sucks because if u apply too early before events u miss out
lmao funny to call it specs
i dont know for sure but
in my opinion, my unpaid internship opened a lot of doors for me
I think brand-name matters nost
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