2027_summer

[nimble oak]

i originally reneged tiktok for nothing

[strong violet]

wait wtf

[proud mauve]

Can you refer me to your TikTok recruiter

[strong violet]

is this guy the super larp

[proud mauve]

💀

[nimble oak]

yea that's how it usually is for quant firms

[strong violet]

LMFAOOOOO dude

[proud mauve]

He is bro

[strong violet]

holy classic

nah i gotta stop chatting here

[nimble oak]

what super larp

[strong violet]

actually classic hook and bait

holy fuck man

[nimble oak]

not JS

[strong violet]

here i am thinking im helping out some poor somewhat ngmi with genuine advice

[nimble oak]

it's smaller than JS

[strong violet]

jfc

i swear we need labels in this server bro

[proud mauve]

You should help me then

[strong violet]

dude im the worst at detecting larps

[nimble oak]

you are tho 🥀

[proud mauve]

I'm the genuine ngmi

I'm involuntarily jobless

[nimble oak]

if i wasnt ngmi why would i be unironically unemployed this summer

[strong violet]

what are the signs ?

[nimble oak]

it's not, it's another quant firm

[strong violet]

he's quant?

[nimble oak]

but smaller

[solar notch]

prev js ORZ

[vivid stirrup]

What r u going to do then

[solar notch]

so orzzzzzzz

[strong violet]

dude oh for christs sake

[nimble oak]

chill at home and do some self-studying

maybe some research

[echo obsidian]

waffle around

[undone mirage]

reneged 2 offers btw

[strong violet]

trust he's gatekeeping his actual offer for the summer

[vivid stirrup]

That does sound pretty lit by the sound of it

[strong violet]

dude scroll up and read the conversation he been larping

bra

no way they're purging it out

holy gatekeep

[solar notch]

holy gatekeeppppppp

[proud mauve]

All the gmi are gonna gatekeep

[solar notch]

😩

[nimble oak]

but see im not larping

i actually dont have anyting this summer

[strong violet]

you were for like 10 minutes

[nimble oak]

when did i larp 😭

the thing is im gonna extend my grad date via a master's so im not actually that worried yet

[strong violet]

probably the entire conversation where i was like yk talking to u about ur situation

[nimble oak]

but i soon will be if i dont get smth good

[strong violet]

ur a quant bro you already made it

you're finding work

[nimble oak]

well i am indeed not in a good situation

[nimble oak]

dude i got 0 quant offers this season

💀

having a prev quant on ur resume actually hurts if you dont have RO

[strong violet]

ahhhh fuckkkk man i got 0 quant offers

only got zon and tiktok

[nimble oak]

all the firms ask if u have RO when you get late into the proc then they cook you if u say no

[strong violet]

what am i going to do...

[solar notch]

cap, i saw his linkedin hes rentech 😩

[hexed crystal]

problems we ngmis are trynna have

[strong violet]

wait so why did you not get ro at ur firm @nimble oak

budget?

[nimble oak]

skill issue

[strong violet]

genuine? or is this another larp

[nimble oak]

i just wasnt top 5

lol

[hexed crystal]

damn only 18 interns

[strong violet]

that's kinda cutthroat

[undone mirage]

why did you not get ro btw

did u not do good enough

[nimble oak]

yeah p much

[undone mirage]

or was it hc issues

[idle flame]

isnt 5/18 super little

wtf

[nimble oak]

well both are related i assume, the less hc they have the better u have to do

to get RO

[undone mirage]

true

[idle flame]

did u get big tech procs with 5r

[undone mirage]

yes he got the big a

and reneged

[nimble oak]

i got 3

[idle flame]

i assume most tech recruiters dont even know what they are

[nimble oak]

bloomberg tiktok and zon

lol

[idle flame]

yeah exactly

[undone mirage]

🥀

[strong violet]

how did bb process go for you

[solar notch]

ORZ

[idle flame]

they dont even know 5r

[nimble oak]

rejected r2 🥀

[undone mirage]

most people know 5r

in the tech space

[strong violet]

unlucky

[nimble oak]

bro ive been trying to get meta and google process 3 years in a row and not even an OA

[idle flame]

nah not rlly

[strong violet]

WHY did he put an X on that

[idle flame]

i cant get meta or google proc

[strong violet]

so wait @nimble oak can you briefly talk about why you reneged the two companies

[idle flame]

but everyone wit zon prev gets it in 1 second

[strong violet]

just confused

[idle flame]

deadass

[nimble oak]

i reneged tiktok because they 996 you

[strong violet]

dude ur young

[nimble oak]

and i really wanted time to take a break / catch up academically

[strong violet]

you can be 996'd

ur not some unc with kids

no one said he has to do it forever

do it get it on res move on

[dawn valve]

Dam why

[idle flame]

nah

[vale ridge]

only ltn's slave away during their 20s

[idle flame]

dude tech recruiters do not know 5r

[nimble oak]

i reneged zon because 1) again i want to take a break / catch up academics, and 2) tbh this might be a me problem but it's just too minus aura 😭😭

[strong violet]

do you know how gmi fated you gotta be to call zon -aura

there's genuine levels to this

[nimble oak]

i think like 600K?

[strong violet]

bro chose being unemployed over zon + tiktok

[proud mauve]

Ye Zon is my dream

[strong violet]

everyone here glazes zon

wys

[opal needle]

drip is good

i can nepo

potentially

dm resume

[strong violet]

yk how many ppl in this server send out the zon prayers

[nimble oak]

zon is - aura but good for $$$ and res value

[idle flame]

zon res value is too good

[strong violet]

what im saying

[nimble oak]

the thing about $$$ is my parents take most of it 💀

[idle flame]

no zon last summer ruined my career

[nimble oak]

(after livign costs)

[strong violet]

do you not exist in this server

[echo obsidian]

just rainbet

[strong violet]

all this server talks about is getting zon proc

getting zon in general

no not here

everyone here wants zon unironically

[opal needle]

everyone ngmi

[nimble oak]

bc it's good resume value

[vale ridge]

zon passes every res screen it doesnt deserve the hate

[sullen finch]

i feel like everyone here has zon

[nimble oak]

and ppl are desperate

[strong violet]

yes i understand this

[nimble oak]

and zon is actually attainable

[idle flame]

yes

[nimble oak]

i think that's the main thing

[strong violet]

but the question is

[idle flame]

i wish i could get a zon offer

[nimble oak]

zon just sneds out so so so many procs

[strong violet]

i dont think zon is like a good long term option

they just seem unstable

didnt they do the super layoffs

[opal needle]

zon is pip factory

goal is to use as a jump pad to other

[mellow saffron]

can i get a zon oa

[vale ridge]

you just get zon first year then you can do whatever

[idle flame]

my dream is zon on my resume

[strong violet]

not a lot of people getting zon freshman year

[vale ridge]

you can get zon after graduating high school since they dont even bg check you

[strong violet]

thats the reality

that is NOT a common occurence

[proud mauve]

Can you nepo me

[opal needle]

send

resume

[strong violet]

might not be gmi enough though

[opal needle]

i know the founder

[proud mauve]

Ok

Do I need to anonymize

[opal needle]

ye prob

[strong violet]

how many people actually get zon out of high school

[opal needle]

actually

before u send

let me ask if they are taking on people

or if u would do this unpaid?

maybe

idk

[proud mauve]

Oh ok

Ye sure

[opal needle]

ok

let me ask first

ty

[proud mauve]

Ok thanks

[vale ridge]

pretty common now if you're in the know

[strong violet]

im not tapped in then clearly

do they have like a dedicated track for freshman

[nimble oak]

oh shit rly how do they do it

besides future engineers

[idle flame]

he boutta say psl 10

[nimble oak]

bro zon in hs wouldve been a dream for me

[idle flame]

and mogg max the interviewer

[vale ridge]

they dont bg check you lmao + chadlite+

[mellow saffron]

in hs i wanted to work for zon too

still never accomplished that one

[strong violet]

what does that even mean

[nimble oak]

wait does this actually work

💀

so like as long as ur over 18 you just larp your college?

[strong violet]

bro...

[vale ridge]

yea the tech is do zon after graduating high school then go js freshman

[nimble oak]

shit that's actually a good idea...

[vale ridge]

then grad

[nimble oak]

u dont even have to put your real college since ur larping anyway

[lilac hemlock]

bro not kevin again 💀

[nimble oak]

just put any college you want

[strong violet]

is known troll or smth what's his lore

[nimble oak]

might as well throw in prev @ google and say ur a junior too

[strong violet]

i see now its blaringly obvious

[lilac hemlock]

master of unethical hacks

[echo obsidian]

larp larp larp sahur

[strong violet]

larping an entire school might be a tad bit too far

but shit i guess if u want it bad enough

[nimble oak]

zon doesnt check

lol

[lilac hemlock]

says stuff like "highest ROI is height boosters" type beat

[vale ridge]

for behav all that matters is being lp aligned then its just something from lc tagged so free

[nimble oak]

their bg check is just criminal record + address i think

[echo obsidian]

tbf if ur a high schooler

[vale ridge]

then you get any proc you want

[echo obsidian]

how tf they gonna check

[lilac hemlock]

^ but then has actual tips like this

[tawdry shale]

anyone know if JS does a background check?

[strong violet]

he just knows

w kevin

gotta get to it by hook or crook ig

[nimble oak]

a full bg check can easily check whether u go to the college you claim

but zon doesnt do one

im p sure the quant firms all do

[echo obsidian]

i mean if u did it before u enrolled if ur a hs senior

[undone mirage]

i doubt most of the faangs do a full bg check unless its

for ng / ft

[mellow saffron]

nah

[undone mirage]

for interns probably not

[strong violet]

why do the companies with the most bankroll just like

[opal needle]

wait zon doesnt bg check hes lowk not wrong

😭

[strong violet]

do such lackluster checks on who they're hiring

[undone mirage]

they do

but its just criminal

[opal needle]

yeah

lmfao

[strong violet]

shits crazy

[undone mirage]

probably same for every faang

[vale ridge]

yea im telling you its only the ltn's that slave away

[nimble oak]

yeah, well i assume if u apply as hs senior ur gonna larp as college student, otherwise you'll get auto rejected lol

[strong violet]

what is an ltn

[lilac hemlock]

damn it i shouldve told my friend whos a current hs senior that

[strong violet]

genuinely i am not tapped in

[violet belfry]

lol what kind of larp are u trying to run

[mortal compass]

lol im a junior in hs and got zon

[vale ridge]

you should be spending your time looksmaxxing slaying partying

[echo obsidian]

oh im an idiot u right

[violet belfry]

i’m pretty sure any actual company has background check

[echo obsidian]

so larp is life

[mellow saffron]

any actual company eh

[nimble oak]

i guess zon isnt actual company 🥀

[tawdry shale]

was gonna larp MIt, Citadel, HRT

[strong violet]

every day i discover a new layer to this server

[undone mirage]

@violet belfry you're quant right

[strong violet]

on god

[undone mirage]

can u tell me if this guy gives good commentary

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8gCU5mN/

[proud mauve]

I'm quant I can confirm

[undone mirage]

yea but there's probably more stuff on his channel

that are useful

[frigid hawk]

Everyone here abt to be making 400k tc in the future and its just a bunch of chuds

[undone mirage]

just wanna see if its credible

[river thicket]

Now that everyone is getting Amazon, how do I standout next cycle with my resume?

[opal needle]

world is not fair why play fair, larp or get left behind 😎 🔥

[proud mauve]

Not everyone bro 🥀

[teal shale]

does amazon now send a linkedin animation

[mellow saffron]

if u were solely relying on zon to stand out u weren’t gonna stand out anyway

[frigid hawk]

I thought people who got paid were genius turns out its larpers and terminally online ppl

[nimble oak]

[paper pendant]

Does Amazon typically send out rejections first?

[proud mauve]

c1 chan lowk bad

[nimble oak]

cooked...

[frigid hawk]

Genuinely my reaction

Like damn bro its this easy huh

[river thicket]

Do you know how we can stand out?

[lilac hemlock]

be 6'8

[echo obsidian]

frame mog

[tawdry shale]

ngl once i get to nyc

[opal needle]

fuhhhhh

[tawdry shale]

ima just find speemch and rob him

[opal needle]

but ye i think all the other engineering majors are smarter

[lilac hemlock]

wait do background checks call prev employers

[tawdry shale]

and do that for like a year straight

[opal needle]

and get paid significantly less

tis the world

[vale ridge]

put an image of your face on resume if chadlite+

[undone mirage]

ok

[opal needle]

pro tips

😂

applies to tier 4 quants and below btw

[tawdry shale]

dont u have like

500 LC solved

[lilac hemlock]

i thought firms notoriously ask very hard questions

isnt that like their whole thing

[opal needle]

ill take ur word for it but thats actually shocking to me

i thought you'd need to be able to solve at least like 80% of hards

[nimble oak]

wait does hrt swe not grill you on low level stuff and C++ trivia

cit swe is just random

[undone mirage]

do projects actually matter cause i read online that recruiters don't GAF 90 percent of the time but everyone who is applying says it does

[nimble oak]

what's that

just say you dont know c++? 💀

[tawdry shale]

python method

[lilac hemlock]

forbidden tech

[opal needle]

please tell us 🙏

LMAO

[lilac hemlock]

@violet belfry is it unironically true that prevs and leetcode is all that matters

🥀

[opal needle]

see mito we got this

WE

got this

[nimble oak]

python orz

[lilac hemlock]

WE got this twin

[opal needle]

yes

[lilac hemlock]

red screen?

[nimble oak]

also being good at interviewing in general

which goes beyond leetcoding

[sharp ledge]

speemch do you larp usaco plat

[lilac hemlock]

oh yeah i hate referring to leetcode i mean

but yeah

[nimble oak]

same 🥀

[lilac hemlock]

@opal needle we got this bro

[opal needle]

yeah ur right

fuck ive been a chud

ima go lock in

[lilac hemlock]

i need to do more problems/write clean code

[opal needle]

post 2023 yeah

yeah

[nimble oak]

instead of gold

so if someone's gold they probably didnt cheat

also true tbh

[lilac hemlock]

my freshman friend cheated his way all the way up to the one right before plat unforch

diamond i tihnk

and now hes going into IB

[sharp ledge]

mfs talm bout diamond now

[nimble oak]

usaco diamond 💀

[opal needle]

LMFAO

[proud mauve]

Usaco diamond?

💀

[lilac hemlock]

wait sorry is that not hte right term 😭

[nimble oak]

we gonna have usaco challenger next

[lilac hemlock]

idfk usaco

[proud mauve]

You mean camp?

[opal needle]

u cant cheat to camp dude ur gonna get caught 😂

its happened before

[lilac hemlock]

SORRY MEANT GOLD LOL

okay yeah my friend cheated up to gold

[torn prawn]

Bro plays too much league

[lilac hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-talking-tom-talking-ben-news-gif-11244040764148924759

[nimble oak]

yeah

[nimble oak]

i remember someone got booted out of camp

[lilac hemlock]

@opal needle im gonna tap in so hard for interview prep bruh

[opal needle]

woah woah woah calm down on the phrasing, its called being smart and using tools available to u

[nimble oak]

cuz he had his uncle do his contests for him

[opal needle]

yeah

[violet belfry]

wtf orz uncle

[opal needle]

honestly its crazy to even have ppl u know be able to operate at that level

[lilac hemlock]

wait @nimble oak how to get goated at interviewing. do you just do hella mocks/do projects to learn clean code

[opal needle]

yeah LOL

[echo obsidian]

tsinghua orz

[nimble oak]

u should ask the goat speemch

im bad at interviewing 🥀

[lilac hemlock]

speemch please twin... @violet belfry

[nimble oak]

same

[lilac hemlock]

i think unironically this because during my first technical interview my hands were physically shaking

[nimble oak]

when you interview a lot u naturally get los of "mocks" from the worse companies

[opal needle]

u just aged 10 yrs cuz of this

its over

[lilac hemlock]

its over for me

vantablackpilled

jz lets run mocks gng

[echo obsidian]

just believe u mogged the intver

[lilac hemlock]

prolly after finals though

[violet belfry]

i think leetcode gets u comfortable w translating logic to code

also i implemented a bunch of games to prep for like js-style interviews which i thought was helpful

on the plane there i implemented tetris, hangman, candy crush, snake, minesweeper, etc

[lilac hemlock]

wdym literally just like design and implement tetris?

ahhhh

[violet belfry]

don’t worry about the graphics or interface, just write clean code that implements the logic

[opal needle]

yo wtf

cracked

[lilac hemlock]

i should practice that yea

[violet belfry]

since that’s robust to ai as well, plus it’s just good swe skills to have

[lilac hemlock]

cuz before like this week you were never on discord 😭

[violet belfry]

last year

[opal needle]

so cracked

[violet belfry]

was a jr last year

[opal needle]

yooo

ro?

[lilac hemlock]

orz

[vale ridge]

any tips for js qt

[lilac hemlock]

so its really just all interview prep/LLD and whatnot?

kk ty

[nimble oak]

the other way is just to actually learn your classes thoroughly

[lilac hemlock]

i thought js was more school agnostic? or has that changed in the past few years?

[nimble oak]

and take good classes

then you dont need to prep

[lilac hemlock]

oh thats kinda fair; im gonna take programming paradigms over the summer but thank you

[nimble oak]

way way easier

objectively

js isnt they make u play weird games lol

and you need like good intuition / be good under pressure

and good vibes

[proud mauve]

How did you prep for mental math thing of 5r

OA

[nimble oak]

honestly idk i dont even know how i passed it 💀

i guess just memorize a few constant eg log 2, log 5, pi, e and be fast at estimation

[tawdry shale]

arent qt internviews like actually hard

[nimble oak]

eh it's different tpyes of difficulty imo

[lilac hemlock]

arent qt interviews mostly just probability questions and "IQ"/pattern rec tests

[nimble oak]

u have to be really fast / have good market intuition for qt interviews

it's not just probability

[lilac hemlock]

oh

i dont know anything market/finance tbh

oh i see

[nimble oak]

wait quantable exists lol

[lilac hemlock]

ohhhhh i see

[nimble oak]

hmm i still disagree

you cant memorize market-making

but like then u actually gotta make good ones 😭

[lethal shore]

what parts of OSTEP are relevant, or read the whole thing?

[nimble oak]

like if i asked you estimate the number of windows in all of nyc

[lilac hemlock]

personally ive heard cover to cover

[nimble oak]

and make a market and trade on it

[lilac hemlock]

but speemch might have some insight

[nimble oak]

yeah idk i think qt is definitely way more intuition-heavy and a lot less study-able

which makes it both ahrder and easier in a sense

[lilac hemlock]

i wont be taking OS before junior recruiting cycle tho

[lethal shore]

yeah same

[daring bane]

what is the res projects meta for 2027 fullstack is dead

[lethal shore]

so its legit just greenbook?

damn bro every time this dude comes it becomes an AMA LMAO

[nimble oak]

u probably just have good intuition lol 😭

[lilac hemlock]

@violet belfry do you have an answer 😔

[nimble oak]

if you have good market intuition you dont need to study

[lilac hemlock]

hes too goated

[nimble oak]

if you dont then no amount of studying will work

[lethal shore]

yeah fr, bros actually helping us ngmis

[sullen finch]

@violet belfry what should i have for lunch?

[lilac hemlock]

did you also do the homeworks

[nimble oak]

like in general having the right intuition on how to make markets eg making good estimates, calibrating confidenc / deciding on risks, etc

[lilac hemlock]

damn you just ingested it all?

oh

maybe i should do the homeworks since i wont be taking OS soon

[nimble oak]

no

unfortunately

[lethal shore]

damn bro i need to lock in this summer with OSTEP and greenbook

[nimble oak]

i guess maybe a rough approximation is how good you are at poker and figgie when you first start playing it

[nimble oak]

f you can get good at these super quickly then you're good, otherwise it's a bad sign

same 🥀

idk i think all these rules for trading are like

it's one thing to just think about them and understand them

the hard part is actually applying it bc you can't really do it in a systematic way

[austere path]

nah those market making fermi estimation games

will fry you

genuinely

[nimble oak]

yeah exactly

it's a totally differnet mindset from solving problems

[daring bane]

will OSTEP only help for qt interviews or also regular swe

[austere path]

ostep has nothing to do with qt

thats more qd

its as good as useless for qt

💀

[proud mauve]

I have low iq can I do qt interviews

[violet belfry]

do you mean whether it helps for only quant swe or also big tech swe?

[echo obsidian]

cluely

[violet belfry]

it’ll help for big tech companies that ask systems stuff

[daring bane]

this what i meant

[violet belfry]

e.g. some teams at nvidia, apple, tesla, other hardware/systems heavy companies

[sour hound]

Is it possible to pass res. screens for QD with best company being Slack on resume?

[austere path]

i think spamming practice problems is the way to go

[nimble oak]

i do too and got into one

u just gotta get lucky

[austere path]

i shouldve done that before my js intv

💀

[forest wyvern]

anyone know if doing the Google x Qualcomm hackathon is worth it?

[nimble oak]

stil lgot cooked by all but one qt interview tho:(

[austere path]

what ques did u get asked

[lilac hemlock]

im wondering if i should go for qt on top of swe or just full send swe/qd

[nimble oak]

the one i didnt get cooked by was the only proc that asked exclusively probability

anything that asked mm i got cooked

[austere path]

bro how i got an intv at js but peak rejected me

[lilac hemlock]

i dont really pride myself on my math intuition like that i think/i dont have prev usamo history

[austere path]

oh

LOL

[nimble oak]

peak6 peak too lowkey

all female intern class

none get ROs

[austere path]

deadass?

[nimble oak]

i guess it's just a free summer camp for girls 🥀

[austere path]

bro the recruiter called me to tell me abt the whole intv process just to reject me before i did a single intv

they get way more than that

[nimble oak]

lower than zon and c1...

gg

[austere path]

its $75 now

[sour hound]

From what I have heard from the friends I know who have QT internships for this summer, they say that if you don't get QT internships in college, it's basically impossible to get into QT after college, your thoughts?

[austere path]

pretty accurate

[sour hound]

Dangg 😭

[austere path]

if u still have heart just get a phd and chase QR at that point

LOL

[violet belfry]

unless u go to a firm that’s very flexible about roles as a desk dev

and flex on all the qts while being a swe

then there’s a small chance u can switch

[nimble oak]

yes

[sour hound]

yep one of my closest buddies he's going to be a sig qt for the summer but everyone I know doing qt, they've been doing math since they were a kid

[nimble oak]

do you count interns or no

[shell sigil]

Is that the fucking omc girl

[nimble oak]

actually avg is probably decent bc of the right tail but

median is maybe like a few years?

[austere path]

ngl if u start in freshman year and take it seriously you can still make it

[nimble oak]

idk

highly firm dependent tho

[austere path]

all depens on natural talent tho

[nimble oak]

like optiver/sig cut something like close to half in first year while js doesnt ever fire

[lilac hemlock]

same

[nimble oak]

but this is also bc js makes you intern first

so i think it for considering avg quant career length you have to include internship bc of how many ppl get cut at intern stage

[proud mauve]

Damn does that mean if we get js newgrad we're set for life

[austere path]

true my problem was having to split between swe / qt prep cuz chances of qt were actually just so low for me

[lilac hemlock]

what if youre just buns at the game 🥹

[austere path]

LOL

[high forge]

2027 is open already?

[lilac hemlock]

i might just stick to swe i cant lie im kinda buns at the math

[nimble oak]

yeah there's a ton of ppl who do zero prep for qt and stumble into an offer bc they applied just for fun

not just oly kids btw lots of normal ppl too

[sour hound]

yeah it's all about neuroplasticity at the end of the day bc when you're young it's at the highest, and honestly as much as trading is cool, I feel like there are a lot of other things that are cool too like systems roles :)) and I feel like the only reason that I even want to do trading is because of the money and a slight interest in trading but realistically, I'm going to be competing against insane asian mathematicians for ROs etc and I feel like that's just too much stress on my body, ig this summer I will know based on what my friends say but yeah

[austere path]

like the next cycle

[high forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842928398133362689/1345917289286860851/Tumblr_l_331206170721932.gif

Being a quat does not sound fun tbh

[nimble oak]

what round did you get cut

[high forge]

Genuiely who wants to work 60-70 hours a week

[nimble oak]

if you got cut before final p likly

[sour hound]

I'm pretty sure if you interviewed once, you're guaranteed an interview again

[lethal shore]

whats swe/qt wlb like at js

[nimble oak]

citadel 🥀

ib is like 90+ no?

[lethal shore]

yoooo thats awesome

[sharp ledge]

@violet belfry

[austere path]

is this true?

[sharp ledge]

nepo me into js thx

[nimble oak]

oh ok thats fine then you'll get to reinterview

meanwhile i have a much lower chance cuz i got cut at final

[sour hound]

Rly? My sig friend got called for an interview for jane, and he also interviewed the summer before and that's what he said, and i've seen something similar with another guy, so I thought so

[nimble oak]

cuz they have more data on you

[sour hound]

Don't take my word for it 🙏

[nimble oak]

to confirm ur ngmi

[proud mauve]

They didn't interview me last year

Is this a good sign

[sour hound]

He didn't get to final, he also applied qd first summer, and this summer it was qt

[nimble oak]

onsite

js problem bank too big to lapha farm 🥀

[sour hound]

but also this is so unfair especially for jane if they do this because jane qt final is onsite technical questions that are open-ended 😭

[nimble oak]

unless you want to spend 100 hrs memorizing all thei rpboelsm

lol

even then in final ull get cooked

[austere path]

damn. u got rentech tho right..

[idle flame]

nah no way

u cant alpha js

[sour hound]

or just practice hard enough and do it normally 😭

[nimble oak]

orz...

[opal needle]

berkeley cracked

[austere path]

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-i-am-invincible-thragg-viltrumite-viltrum-empire-gif-4698577271704049137

[sour hound]

lol nice

yea same for us at my uni

no berkeley is pretty difficult to get into

especially berkeley cs it only has a 100 seats now

you can't backdoor ur way in

I argue that berkeley is better than stanford if you want to do quant

Yeah I wouldn't

[gusty minnow]

http://www.stanfordrejects.com/

[sour hound]

I didn't get either

I go to a chud school named GT

:))

bro i'm ngl everyone I meet here is amazon or meta incoming

[proud mauve]

R u Vietnamese

[sour hound]

like i'm being fr

[sour hound]

nope

[proud mauve]

Oh I see

[sour hound]

yep

[proud mauve]

Cause :))

[sour hound]

why do you ask

[proud mauve]

:)) is kinda like Vietnam signature lmao

[sour hound]

i'm confused lol

yeah I am lol

:))

[proud mauve]

Like I don't know any Vietnamese who typr :))

[sour hound]

damn

[sour hound]

i'm not vietnamese!

[proud mauve]

How lmao

[austere path]

high iq predator

[sour hound]

but best gt quant firm i've seen is pdt partners

[proud mauve]

It's hrt bro

[sour hound]

don't think gt can go higher than that in terms of quant firm tiers

yeah I do too but isn't pdt better?

[proud mauve]

Or maybe that bum got rescinded idk

[sour hound]

hrt is not the best lol

[proud mauve]

If he did it's good

[frank hornet]

is it because they got rescinded from everywhere else?

[sour hound]

as in I haven't seen it yet

I'd argue PDT is higher tier than Jane lol

[opal needle]

GT lowk goated

[proud mauve]

How

[sour hound]

😭 did you hear about the optiver thing?

[frank hornet]

who hasn’t

[sour hound]

Tier 0
Renaissance Technologies
TGS

Tier 0.5
XTX Markets

Tier 1
Arrowstreet Capital
PDT Partners
Headlands Technologies
Radix Trading
Tower Research

Tier 1.5
Five Rings
DE Shaw (QR)
Old Mission
Aquatic
Quadrature Capital
SIG (QT)
Cubist (Point 72)

Tier 2
Citadel + CitSec
Jump Trading
AQR
Jane Street
Optiver
Bridgewater
HRT
DE Shaw (SWE)

from Tier 0 to 2

[proud mauve]

Son

[violet belfry]

the only pdt intern i met was tryna get jane the year after

[frank hornet]

old mission > js

sonnn

[sour hound]

LMAO why, didn't a berkeley quant make this list?

oh it's ranked only in terms of pay

[sharp ledge]

no way sig aquatic and cubist are that high up

[sour hound]

nothing else considered

[sharp ledge]

and fucking tower

[sour hound]

it has everything quant dev, qt, qr

[opal needle]

what the fuck is this list

?

[sour hound]

LOL okok

my quant friends sent me the list 😭

I'm just going based off of that 🙏

[opal needle]

this unlocks memories

[sour hound]

where does dl trading go?

and ansatz

[queen vortex]

albertson where

[opal needle]

voleon founded by berkeley alumn right

[violet belfry]

i think so it’s in the bay

[sour hound]

well medalian fund

you've prob heard of it

I mean yea we don't theoretically know

but we also do know at the same time

Does rentech even take swes?

[proud mauve]

S tier is prob Jane Hrt Citadel Jump Radix

[sour hound]

the only positions I see are qr 💀

oh really??

[proud mauve]

That's why I'm making tier list bro 🥀

[sour hound]

all i've heard is they recruit one person like every 5 years and if you don't have a phd or didn't go to mit/princeton it's wraps don't even think about it

not sure if any of that is true but that's what i've heard

oh yeah it's insane I saw that!

they have so many stony brook hires

Oh wow what does he say about it?

Kevin are you in eecs or math or cs...?

[opal needle]

is bro tryna snipe on linkedin

[sour hound]

no lol I was just wondering in general

no pressure to respond about it obv

[vivid stirrup]

What’s the point of being a quant

[unique robin]

hi

[vivid stirrup]

What good are you doing for the world

[unique robin]

stony brook is my dream

[vivid stirrup]

All of you quant fucks are geniuses

[unique robin]

nobody needs to better the world

[vivid stirrup]

You’d be better off working at a startup or something doing something useful

[unique robin]

it’s a choice

[copper wagon]

is anything comin out for fall

[vivid stirrup]

You’d make so much more money though

[copper wagon]

iveo nly seen like 3 apps open

[unique robin]

its choices

[sour hound]

spacex I believe!

[unique robin]

if you wanna better the world cook for a soup kitchen

donate food

etc

there’s so many things you can do

work on policy

and if you don’t care

then do whatever else

don’t hate on people for making their own choices just cause u don’t like them

[vivid stirrup]

I guarantee there’s ways for you quant guys to help more people than a soup kitchen ever can while making way more money

You’re blessed and burdened with gods given talents

[unique robin]

there definitely is

[vivid stirrup]

You have a responsibility

To the world

[unique robin]

no we don’t

idk why i’m saying we

[vivid stirrup]

Yes you do

[unique robin]

nobody has a responsibility to the world

it’s a choice you make

nobody should be forced responsibility on

[vivid stirrup]

God gave you the gift of genius for the purpose of making the world a better place. Rejecting that responsibility is evil

[vivid stirrup]

I’m just yapping

[unique robin]

firstly genius isn’t being quant

[vivid stirrup]

But fr

[unique robin]

quant is just a specialization

hyper optimize for stats and learning low level stuff

[vivid stirrup]

Useless specialization though

[unique robin]

well you see

very few are actually geniuses most of the time it’s being exposed to right places

[vivid stirrup]

No

[unique robin]

but again don’t force responsibility onto people because you feel its rights

[mellow saffron]

[unique robin]

you make your own choices

if you see a path then do it

[vivid stirrup]

They can provide more value

[unique robin]

if others like it they’ll join you

[undone mirage]

holy roy lee take

[mellow saffron]

roy is that you

big fan

[vivid stirrup]

Im yapping tbh but it does annoy me when i see someone really smart working in finance basically doing nothing

[opal needle]

low roi activity,

in order to help people you must be able to help them at all

if ur a quant u can donate more money

this contributes much more than being a cook

[narrow sierra]

buddy

[opal needle]

am i wrong

[narrow sierra]

we do NOT care about helping others

[opal needle]

i know

[vivid stirrup]

He’s lowk right though

[narrow sierra]

WE ONLY care about ourselves

FUCK EVERYONE ELSE

[opal needle]

im just saying if u care abt helping others at all

[narrow sierra]

@fading beacon back me up here

ik ur w me on this one

🙏

[undone mirage]

not really

not everyone wants to better the world and throw their life away

[narrow sierra]

nah ur right

u could prolly buy the soup kitchen

turn it into a car wash and start generating some passive income

[vivid stirrup]

But who says you have to throw your life away

[opal needle]

bro helping other ppl doesnt make u great, if u improve urself then ur able to help many

[long geode]

https://tenor.com/view/two-people-laughing-on-table-laugh-laughing-lol-gif-3006610283817764608

[narrow sierra]

think big guys

[vivid stirrup]

Doesn’t quant have grueling hours

[undone mirage]

tell me what you mean by "bettering the world"

[narrow sierra]

it's not for everyone

[jovial mirage]

s

[narrow sierra]

some people find it fun

and enjoy the work

others r in it to secure their future

[sour hound]

as in best quant from by a gt student

[vivid stirrup]

Just using that quant genius brain of yours to figure out a way to provide more value to the world while also making more money

I feel like quants don’t really think about that

They just do what they’re told

[undone mirage]

can you provide a way to "better the world"

an actual example

[narrow sierra]

Why would they

[vivid stirrup]

I’m not a genius

[undone mirage]

😂

[long geode]

https://tenor.com/view/two-people-laughing-on-table-laugh-laughing-lol-gif-3006610283817764608

[lilac hemlock]

😭

[narrow sierra]

They can help people while being a quant

utilize their funds

[opal needle]

yeah bro what

[narrow sierra]

to donate

[undone mirage]

so you're basically saying "do this, i don't know how you should do it but you should do it"

[narrow sierra]

to causes they support

[opal needle]

🥀

[narrow sierra]

they don't have to deploy to the front lines and save kids urself in Africa

a quick lil donation to the red cross and call it a day

[opal needle]

yeah bro what

[swift moat]

7.6/10 ragebait from spoonman

[vivid stirrup]

realistically I’m alluding to working for a company that you think is doing good for the world

[opal needle]

😭

[vivid stirrup]

I’m just being vague bc people are going to argue against that

[undone mirage]

so now you see the point

every "bettering the world" angle has its cons

[narrow sierra]

how can you be a for-profit company and your goal is "doing good for the world"

your goal is to make money everything else is secondary

[long geode]

https://tenor.com/view/two-people-laughing-on-table-laugh-laughing-lol-gif-3006610283817764608

[dusk vigil]

yo boss where u inc

[swift moat]

ur being vague so it's impossible to come up w/ a concrete counterargument against what u say

[opal needle]

isnt this a stereotype

[lilac hemlock]

why

[dusk vigil]

u look tuff

[vivid stirrup]

But then also I can’t define what “good for the world”
means because then that’s a philosophical argument

[narrow sierra]

go work at a non-profit for 30k/yr and then become the one going to the soup kitchens for food

[opal needle]

again u need to be a successful person to even begin helping others at all at a meaningful level

[vivid stirrup]

Yeah

[opal needle]

we can all be line cooks

[narrow sierra]

full circle moment

[lilac hemlock]

tuff is everyone in chat except me tbh

[opal needle]

but how much good can we actually do

[dusk vigil]

🙁

[vivid stirrup]

I’m king of the ngmis

[narrow sierra]

I mean u can be paid peanuts but be helping kids in Africa or someshit

[undone mirage]

even people who make money like quants are inherently "bettering the world" in a sense cause they're raising money for their offspring which puts their offspring at a better position allowing them to have less struggles

[narrow sierra]

and ur impact on the world is >>> than some rich dude

but again this is a very small subset of people and it's not a job everyone is willing to take so like

kinda dumb to say just do that instead of quant cuz it's a net positive on the world

[vivid stirrup]

I’d define doing good as = (amt of people you help) * (magnitude of utility)

[dusk vigil]

isnt it they

get it right

[lilac hemlock]

thats you in a few days

[vivid stirrup]

I think if u maximize that then you’re doing alright

[opal needle]

wait my point is this doesnt help anyone

like

[swift moat]

if we're being serious very few jobs actually help a significant amount of ppl

[opal needle]

ur impact is so small

[lilac hemlock]

words by you xd

[narrow sierra]

I define good as the difference between my bank account last year and this year

[swift moat]

and tbh i want my exit liquidity way more than i want shitty linkedin reels or a mcchicken

[vivid stirrup]

But then they’re only helping their offspring. Refer to the equation I made

[opal needle]

if to help people i must suffer i think thats kinda dumb bro

[dusk vigil]

did u end up getting mss?

[opal needle]

donation is called donation for a reason

[narrow sierra]

well the point is the people who take those jobs are not suffering

[opal needle]

i need to be stable first

then i can donate

[narrow sierra]

they like that stuff

[lilac hemlock]

no bombed technical :( really sad

[narrow sierra]

and are fine being paid less

[dusk vigil]

dang

[narrow sierra]

the main thing to consider is yourself first

[undone mirage]

and how do you know their offspring wouldn't become the next einsteins who come to solve some big world problem?

[narrow sierra]

and then others

[opal needle]

ok thats fair

[dusk vigil]

space

[lilac hemlock]

space company

[swift moat]

u got it this cycle just lock in and focus on ur weaknesses

[narrow sierra]

simple human instinct you help yourself and then when you're able you help other people

[lilac hemlock]

tysm could i dm later

[vivid stirrup]

But my point is if you’re really a super big brained quant who can figure out anything they want why not spend time trying to get yourself in a position to do this

[dusk vigil]

are u a beaver?

[balmy gust]

You ain’t getting no exit liquidity unless you have enough money to actually influence the market.

[lilac hemlock]

nope

[dusk vigil]

what are u

a chud?

[narrow sierra]

maybe working at quant is their ticket to wealth which they can then deploy to help other people

[lilac hemlock]

sent

[undone mirage]

so research? cause then you're again throwing your life away in grueling hours even worse than quant for pennies

[swift moat]

many ppl do by being in a high-paying career and then contributing after

look at the giving pledge

[opal needle]

who are u to say what ppl should do

tf

[swift moat]

overwhelming majority imo

[opal needle]

are ppl evil cuz they want to pursue a lucrative career like quant

?

[narrow sierra]

he is tiktok pilled bro

[queen beacon]

they ain’t that smart

[violet belfry]

neither are most quants 😂

[balmy gust]

Says the guy with the WSB tag

[violet belfry]

i wanted to work somewhere where i could help ppl but it was easier to get into quant than it was to get a job at any med/bio tech place

didn’t get any interviews at places that help people 😂

[scenic oyster]

what do traders actually do though

[balmy gust]

Lose money

[scenic oyster]

cuz like i enjoy the games and math but i have no idea what those mfs are doing

[undone mirage]

quants hedge their bets against the losers of the market

[narrow sierra]

lol all these companies charge insane markups on the life saving meds they develop

"help people"

it's a for-profit company at the end of the day

[opal needle]

again you need to be successful first, what spoonman talks about is akin to trying to save drowning ppl in a body of water when you don’t even know how to to swim urself yet

[narrow sierra]

their main goal is money

that is it

[opal needle]

stop talking abt helping ppl until you actually can

[narrow sierra]

whatever bullshit they say to try and convince you otherwise is complete nonsense

unless it's a non-profit there is always the underlying motive of making more money

and that will corrupt any "good" they wanted to achieve

[vivid stirrup]

I’m not telling anyone to do anything man. but we live in this age modernity standing on the shoulders of giants who have built this incredible world brick by brick over centuries and centuries of struggle and the least we can do is contribute to this world that we take for granted

That’s what I think idk

[swift moat]

but you refuse to provide any examples of how one can do this

like what do u want them to do

[narrow sierra]

standing on the shoulders of 39 trillion of US debt 🔥

[vivid stirrup]

Word for a company that you think maximizes the (people helped) * (magnitude of utility) equation

Out of all other choices

[fading beacon]

u dont prove how quants dont maximize ur function

[narrow sierra]

I'ma work for a company that maximizes my salary whilst minimizing hours worked

everything else is secondary

[swift moat]

what are these other options besides quant that are so helpful to society

[narrow sierra]

lock in guys

[opal needle]

ppl do contribute, maybe not as much as you think there should be but there’s reasons for that, it’s a lot harder to survive financially than it was like a few decades ago

[narrow sierra]

Palantir mass surveillance systems

Lockheed missile rnd

Help defend your country

work on polymarket help push gambling

🔥

Iran woulda been dust by now

[vivid stirrup]

Well I’m extremely AGI pilled and I think one extremely high ROI thing you could do is contribute to AI safety since there is not that many smart people working on it compared to the immense impact it can have on society

[knotty steeple]

Yikes That’s a strange thing to say

[vivid stirrup]

And if you’re good enough at it Anthropic would pay you nicely

Very handsomely

[narrow sierra]

if you saw the message I was replying to it wouldn't

[vivid stirrup]

Specifically mechanistic interpretability

[swift moat]

with agi you are going to unemploy millions of ppl who are going to starve on the streets whilst the few in these elite companies prosper, and that's maximizing ur function?

[knotty steeple]

😭 people are getting bombed buddy in any context ur weird asf

[narrow sierra]

Message said if defense paid quant money imagine the tech we would have

what exactly

is wrong w that I said

[vivid stirrup]

Mechanistic interpretability allows for researchers to understand the models deeper so we don’t get a Terminator 2 type timeline

Because I’m broke

[balmy gust]

If AGI was a problem, we’d know already

[narrow sierra]

if that shi was 700k/yr we'd have some innovation

[vivid stirrup]

Nah

[swift moat]

it doesn't matter if the models aren't evil or wtv, if they can displace jobs they will and ppl will starve

[balmy gust]

Lockheed would most likely have developed AGI a decade ago

[swift moat]

like that's not even rlly debateable

[narrow sierra]

You don't think Trumps dumbass woulda deployed that shit by now

[knotty steeple]

NASA pays peanuts and we still have innovation. Its just that we dont want to annihilate countries

[vivid stirrup]

Theoretically if you know exactly why and what the models are thinking you can just shut off the violent parts of it or stop it before it does something dangerous

But we don’t have that yet

[narrow sierra]

Israel??

[balmy gust]

I grew up when Lockheed was doing stupid as fuck stuff for the hell of it

[knotty steeple]

We don’t have the tech or the understanding?

[vivid stirrup]

You don’t want me to get post-singularity pilled on you

[narrow sierra]

if AGI happens we're all cooked anyways so like whatever

[vivid stirrup]

Yeah we do

[knotty steeple]

We do what lmao

[vivid stirrup]

Mechanistic interpretability

[narrow sierra]

millions would lose their jobs and we would be obliterated

[opal needle]

he prob thinks after agi is achieved all these normal ppl can just be in their little tesla home and wear the meta VR goggles for infinite entertainment thus contributing positively to net happiness of everyone

[narrow sierra]

ready player one type shit

[knotty steeple]

Yeah what about it

[narrow sierra]

we'll all end up like those fat idiots in wall-e s

[vivid stirrup]

It’ll either be complete Utopia or literal Hell depending on how the models treat us which is why mechanistic interpretability is so important

[knotty steeple]

I asked what state you think the researchers are in right now regarding interpretability not a buzzword lmfao

[narrow sierra]

the models treat us 😭

what the hell do u think this is bruh

[vivid stirrup]

It’s research that tries to understand exactly what each weight in a model does

[swift moat]

im not sure why you keep coming back to the terminator but that's not the primary concern

[narrow sierra]

the concern is the average person having no job

[knotty steeple]

Dude I’m asking you if you think we know what’s happening yet or not 😭

Afaik we don’t

Like building interpretable ML and deep learning models is very very difficult

[balmy gust]

Riddle me this: why would an AI nuke the world when it relies on electric parts?

The terminator universe glosses over electromagnetic pulses

[narrow sierra]

idt we're anywehre near AGI

[knotty steeple]

Ong

[narrow sierra]

🔥

[knotty steeple]

Me when I understand mechanistic interpretability but not minimax and expectimax

[vivid stirrup]

Do you really want a job if housing can be made for penny’s on the dollar, food is in complete abundance, and you can have sexy abg robot wife all for free?

[knotty steeple]

Is this what pro ai people think life will be

[swift moat]

https://tenor.com/view/akakichi-no-eleven-redraws-akakichi-no-eleven-redraws-insane-asylum-insane-gif-4104415833497517860

[vivid stirrup]

We’ve done this research on smaller models not the SOTA ones yet

[narrow sierra]

what exactly is pointing to this being the case 😭

[vivid stirrup]

That’s why I’m saying it’s so important

[knotty steeple]

@grok build me a mechanistically interpretable deep learning model, I need it in 3 hours

We still don’t, it’s a massive problem

It’s kinda fried We only know how to build them and what happens in between

[nimble oak]

💀

[vivid stirrup]

It’s just going to be like the modern Industrial Revolution. Do you think the average American Farmer of 1800 had any fucking idea what life of 2026 would look like? They would think it’s fucking absurd. That’s what’s going to happen with AI.

[knotty steeple]

I’ve seen a lot of people try and relate the Industrial Revolution with AI

[balmy gust]

It’s been close to two hundred years since we invented anesthesia and we still don’t understand how it works entirely

[knotty steeple]

And it’s a terrible analogy

The American revolution was focused on labor

Not on thinking

The ai revolution challenges all any and all non manual work

And a lot of manual work too

[narrow sierra]

they didn't even have the understanding to know what some of the stuff we have is today

[knotty steeple]

(Boston dynamics)

[vivid stirrup]

Because?

[knotty steeple]

Read above

[narrow sierra]

their brains couldn't even come up with most of the shit we have now

[knotty steeple]

You can’t say Industrial Revolution == AI because automation

[vivid stirrup]

Thinking is a form of labor bro

Labor is physical labor

Thinking is mental labor

It’s the same thing

Just different form factors

[knotty steeple]

Automating thinking has terrible implications for the human race and our jobs

[narrow sierra]

yeah cuz that's the low hanging fruit of what progression would look like

[nimble oak]

dude if someone wanted to actually "maximize utility" for humanity due to the coming AI singularity, they'd be bombing datacenters and assassinating dario and sam, not working on mech interp lol

[narrow sierra]

you take the craziest thing ur brain could think up

and it's based on progress of something that you have

[nimble oak]

ACTUAL utility maximizatoin would be domestic terrorism

[unique robin]

fax no printer

[vivid stirrup]

We need to get past the idea of jobs.

[narrow sierra]

but in 200 years progress could be so far ahead that our brains wouldn't even be able to make it up nowadays

[narrow sierra]

agreed

let's all sit at home and goon all day

[proud mauve]

Lowk this is my dream life

[narrow sierra]

ur literally in a 9-5 maxxing discord server

😭

[sour hound]

chill with using those words 😭

[proud mauve]

I'm just too broke to achieve it

[narrow sierra]

everyone in this discord is trying to 9-5 max

[vivid stirrup]

But if we’re in a post AGI or ASI world no one will have a job, but that’s NOT a bad thing. It just means the cost of everything will be extremely cheap

[narrow sierra]

lowkey more like 9-9 max

[vivid stirrup]

Same thing that happened with the Industrial Revolution

[sour hound]

9-9-6 🙁

[nimble oak]

@vivid stirrup when you talk about maximizing utility do you mean for humans, or are you that tpye of longtermist who believes that AI is going to become sentient and thus also have a utility function and that's what we should be maximizing?

[narrow sierra]

he's the second

[vivid stirrup]

And spend time with friends and just do whatever you want really

[nimble oak]

if you actually want to maximize utility for humans the right thing to do is stop all AI development

[knotty steeple]

This has to be rage bait

[vivid stirrup]

You’re not constrained to a “job” or an “employer”

[sour hound]

probably 0

[knotty steeple]

And starve? Or what are you proposing

[narrow sierra]

he thinks the world will become a utopia because our AI abg wives will do everything for us while the neuralink implant in our brains plays constant entertainment directly into our eyes

[knotty steeple]

Ignore colleagues become the best at ur job

[vivid stirrup]

I’m saying look at how easy it is to get food compared to how hard it was to get before the Industrial Revolution and imagine how easy it will be after the Second Industrial Revolution

[sour hound]

yeah but I hope people care more than just roi 😭

[vivid stirrup]

Yeah that is definitely worrying that will be bad

[narrow sierra]

or it might go the other way around

[knotty steeple]

Oh if you’re tryna start a business then as many friends as possible ngl

[nimble oak]

*be part of the permanent underclass where you can't do anything meaningful and live a meaningless life of pure sensory stimulation

[narrow sierra]

what more could you want

[knotty steeple]

^^^

[narrow sierra]

turn ur brain off and jerk it all day

[knotty steeple]

He’s so real for that

[narrow sierra]

the dream life

[knotty steeple]

“Network” 😭💀

[sour hound]

as in having a good work/life balance, work hard party harder mentality still make it to somewhere where you're getting good money, doing work ur passionate about, but still meeting people socializing having other hobbies

[narrow sierra]

optimal number of friends is 3 close friends and as many non close as u want

[sour hound]

well optimal number of friends for only succeeding at work would be 0 so you can just be locked in 24/7 is what I mean

[vivid stirrup]

“Can’t do anything meaningful” what meaningful jobs do most people really need nowadays? I reckon if no one here needed money they’d spend way more time playing meaningless video games and jerking off

[half widget]

anyone know if pinterest OA auto?

[knotty steeple]

No, I really don’t think this is true