quants-n-traders

[wind notch]

really

that's different than what I've heard

imc should be 45-50 hrs and they do cut swes, and bonus is usually capped

optiver would be closer to 50? don't have much info on this, but upside is higher in terms of bonus and progression I think

ik someone who works at imc ft though and this is what they told me

might be team dependent

[lime zealot]

idt either is that much

Optiver could be 60 depending on team ig

[cursive stratus]

imc is hella 40 a week for swe

[cursive stratus]

no what

i know more imc peopel than u

ever in ur self

maybe pushing 35

[ashen ledge]

couple of imc heads i talked to said 8-5:30ish or 8-6

when i visited for my offer

translates to around 50

[fallen grotto]

what about drw how is their wlb

[pulsar scarab]

What was the q

[fallen grotto]

shit

[tranquil wagon]

drw culture is very good from my experience

esp chicago office

canada i've heard mixed things

[hardy marsh]

Does anyone here know anything about AQRs QRD role?

[pulsar scarab]

Can I also dm

[craggy monolith]

Does anyone spend so much time on discord that they get starstruck when they meet a quant? I'm not trying to prestigewhore, even though I understand that I am admitting my own implicit biases. I do at least one leetcode every day. JS is my dream outcome. HRT is my most frequently refreshed application page and I check it about three times a day. Anyway, there's so much TC in quant and prestige in passing these processes that these themes stay in my mind when I'm not recruiting. One example of this is that when I see a Chinese person on the street I think to myself, "Hey, it's one of those guys that Citadel is always hiring!" I've never said actually said this to a Chinese person before, it's just a part of my inner monologue when I see someone who could be a quant. Anyway, I'm wondering if anyone has experienced a similar "problem" from spending so much time on discord and leetcode. I'm prev Zon if that helps to provide context.

[silk arch]

Does anyone spend so much time on discord that they get starstruck when they meet a quant? I'm not trying to prestigewhore, even though I understand that I am admitting my own implicit biases. I do at least one leetcode every day. JS is my dream outcome. HRT is my most frequently refreshed application page and I check it about three times a day. Anyway, there's so much TC in quant and prestige in passing these processes that these themes stay in my mind when I'm not recruiting. One example of this is that when I see a Chinese person on the street I think to myself, "Hey, it's one of those guys that Citadel is always hiring!" I've never said actually said this to a Chinese person before, it's just a part of my inner monologue when I see someone who could be a quant. Anyway, I'm wondering if anyone has experienced a similar "problem" from spending so much time on discord and leetcode. I'm prev Zon if that helps to provide context.

[hardy marsh]

Prev zon 😅😅 reminds me of this guy juanxxx

[tight mural]

He’s prev 2x zon and snap show some fucking respect

[cursive granite]

Does anyone spend so much time on discord that they get starstruck when they meet a quant? I'm not trying to prestigewhore, even though I understand that I am admitting my own implicit biases. I do at least one leetcode every day. JS is my dream outcome. HRT is my most frequently refreshed application page and I check it about three times a day. Anyway, there's so much TC in quant and prestige in passing these processes that these themes stay in my mind when I'm not recruiting. One example of this is that when I see a Chinese person on the street I think to myself, "Hey, it's one of those guys that Citadel is always hiring!" I've never said actually said this to a Chinese person before, it's just a part of my inner monologue when I see someone who could be a quant. Anyway, I'm wondering if anyone has experienced a similar "problem" from spending so much time on discord and leetcode. I'm prev Zon if that helps to provide context.

[dire finch]

Does anyone spend so much time on discord that they get starstruck when they meet a quant? I'm not trying to prestigewhore, even though I understand that I am admitting my own implicit biases. I do at least one leetcode every day. JS is my dream outcome. HRT is my most frequently refreshed application page and I check it about three times a day. Anyway, there's so much TC in quant and prestige in passing these processes that these themes stay in my mind when I'm not recruiting. One example of this is that when I see a Chinese person on the street I think to myself, "Hey, it's one of those guys that Citadel is always hiring!" I've never said actually said this to a Chinese person before, it's just a part of my inner monologue when I see someone who could be a quant. Anyway, I'm wondering if anyone has experienced a similar "problem" from spending so much time on discord and leetcode. I'm prev Zon if that helps to provide context.

[ruby fog]

is 91 zetamac good enough fro quant

[tough rain]

no, try to get at least 200 to be competitive for firms like trillium and stonex

[ruby fog]

k

[gentle robin]

are their any firms, or just in the industry in general, for QD -> QR pathways or does that not really happen?

[dire finch]

it happens if you're good

[gaunt gyro]

anyone have exp with wolverine proc?

[signal storm]

ctc

[grizzled sapphire]

Holy homelessness

[grizzled sapphire]

oh nah you are the one who posted this? Fuck bro 😭 🥀

[fiery light]

yea I have

Yes

2 hr tech

[solemn patio]

holy quantcell this is so corny

[pulsar scarab]

Need quant

[turbid mural]

This is bad advice. Dating only gets more difficult as you get older

If you were at Amazon before where are you at now and what are you making?

Senior level big tech comp is basically the same as quant

It does because most women aren’t single after like 24

[frozen coral]

he's at Jane Street now bro

he made it ♥️

[turbid mural]

And the ones that are single are single for a reason

[frozen coral]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-belicheck-patriots-popcorn-gif-13913400

[turbid mural]

Ok where are you going to meet them

[frozen coral]

be one of those mid to late 20s people that pulls up to college bars and frat parties

[turbid mural]

You’re gonna be in college making 400k?

That doesn’t mean right out of school

And it contradicts what you said

You aren’t making 300-400k if you’re in college

Take an in person class in college while working full time at a job you need to be in four days a week?

While working full time in person

[ornate spade]

How do I get into quant as a bio major

[warm kayak]

How do I get into quant as an english major

[wide gazelle]

how do i get into quant as a gender studies major

[dire finch]

how do i get into quant as a minor

[untold prawn]

no it's not bc quant scales too

[turbid mural]

Not really

[tranquil wagon]

U sound a little uninformed

[sonic cypress]

Im supposed to have a meeting with a researcher at XTX after my r3 does any1 know why? Thought it was only 3 rounds then rejection or offer and it wasn't clear if r4 would b another int or nah

[cerulean notch]

Sexist too

[dire finch]

dont forget dum!!

[turbid mural]

Of course not

[cerulean notch]

What do you think abt single men over age 24

[turbid mural]

They are single for a reason (no one wanted them)

Your friends don’t exist

[sonic cypress]

I did, they were super unclear

[gentle robin]

how do i become a pm as someone with no legs

[craggy monolith]

Ghislaine Maxwell accused of rugpull after huge crypto investigation found value of EP$COIN linked to Over Produced AI NFTs

good thing for the Eurasian Stock Market

[agile wharf]

Bubba coin next?

[shrewd agate]

Slim chance if you are at name brand otherwise not possible

[shrewd agate]

Yes. I know a guy, started QD at citadel and later became QR. As the next guy said, if you are good

[shrewd agate]

Grow up

[shrewd agate]

Tutorial on how to do this pls I am curious

[dire finch]

grok explain this meta joke

[shrewd agate]

I don't know XTX in particular but companies can and will extend interview processes if they feel like it. A friend of mine at P72 told me 8 rounds was not unheard of

Apm at 5M sounds like bull. PM at 5 yes. I know one personally who was on 5M at previous but he had plenty YOE.

It also depends heavily on firm and what you do. More senior you get it's less about age/pedigree. It's about what you bring to the table.

There are some guys signing $50m /3 years (marshall wace dude) and they are younger than bank MDs on 1.5 to 2M per year.

[craggy monolith]

Is CV and resume same

[shrewd agate]

Technically no. Practically yes

[craggy monolith]

I see

[shrewd agate]

No one does a traditional CV anymore

UNLESS you are like post doc and still in academia

Then they care

[craggy monolith]

I feel like most resumes have too little white space

[shrewd agate]

For jobs no one cares

[shrewd agate]

Hard disagree

[craggy monolith]

Higher aura = less words

[shrewd agate]

I look in this sub once in a blue moon, see the resumes

And I wonder wtf are these people doing

Anyways I'm boarding my flight now

I'll check back in on this sub in another 4 months

[craggy monolith]

I’ll miss you

[dire finch]

i feel like the average cs major / average cscd person is not a great bar for what a top resume looks like

[frozen coral]

well college bars is just u walk in

frat parties might be a little more difficult cause you'd probably have to know someone unless ur a girl

then just talk ur way in

[strange mountain]

sorry i am new to disc
are there any materials or suggestions for a citadel programming test

[cursive stratus]

study this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ulmq6I8aH40

[strange mountain]

fr

[cursive stratus]

search up ken griffin rule 34 it tells u 34 rules of acing the citaldel programming test

[gentle robin]

do you think firm matters like is it eaiser to do at one vs the other, saying this because I currently in two sigma and citadel proces (also what teams are good for this at either firm)

[pulsar scarab]

How to get want process

[tough rain]

study this https://chatgpt.com/

[opal bramble]

idk if you have time but this is a good resource, not a cram resource, but a nice one

https://people.freebsd.org/~lstewart/articles/cpumemory.pdf

[shrewd agate]

Depends a lot on firm. Each is different. Can't speak to details of internal processes at companies.

[median gust]

Citadel lowkey only asked me leetcode for all 4 technical rounds

[strange trench]

Bros gonna take ur video to do deepfakes with LOL

[silk niche]

anyone do CTC loop for java swe? apparently no lc just oop/tdd

[wind notch]

new grad?

[silk niche]

2 yoe~

[strange trench]

Did u get hacked bro

[grizzled sapphire]

I have been told that JS doesn't do ng, and idk why you would need to do this

[tranquil wagon]

Not true, I have like 3 ng js friends lol

[grizzled sapphire]

I meant I've been told they don't hire ng, but take intern ros

[tranquil wagon]

What?

I literally just said I know 3 of them

Idk who’s telling you they don’t exist but I guarantee they do

[grizzled sapphire]

it wasn't clear if you understood what I meant, but that's cool then

[grizzled sapphire]

what role(s)?

[tranquil wagon]

Swe

[grizzled sapphire]

all 3? I see

Do yk if they hire qr/qt ng too then? Cuz that's what I heard for quant not dev

[tranquil wagon]

No idea

[craggy monolith]

New gr*d

Gr*duate

[tranquil wagon]

All prev quant swe at major firms

[craggy monolith]

teza technologies

[merry rover]

[mint aurora]

They hire qt new grad

Not sure about qr

but id assume more than qt lmao

they still have this role?

r u experienced hire

[strange mountain]

swe role?

[craggy monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/tgif-friday-dance-happy-its-gif-27184385

[stoic wigeon]

sent in #general !

[craggy compass]

yes, their comp are 150k+ but it depends on the role

[supple sun]

How down bad would someone have to be for this

[tranquil wagon]

Lmao

I wouldn’t use that even if it was free

I’m not doing free advertising for Kenny g

[latent raven]

Finally got an offer from Wells Fargo for Quant

I made it out the streets now 😭

[stoic wigeon]

we didn't get those bro

idk why they stop giving them out 😭

nah we still got those thankfully

that's why they also gave the magic keyboard

nah that's it

what firm

u better hope yall have a nice logo

cuz aint no one wearing a SUSQUEHANNA af1

[gaunt gyro]

how many games is the zapn for new grad optiver

[mellow aurora]

@poisson

[deep inlet]

what does quant salary prog look like

[heavy condor]

5
2
1
0

[deep inlet]

?

[heavy condor]

u wouldnt expect it but its true

[deep inlet]

what is 5120

[dire bough]

is the green book enough to pass QT/QR interviews?

if not what else should be paired with it?

[weak rock]

Is it worth learning and investing in C++ if my goals for it are just purely because places like HRT, Jump, etc ask trivia about it and use cpp

I’m taking OS, high perf computing, etc next sem which are also taught in C, C++, so I would need to learn (some of) it anyways i suppose

Ideally i land JS SWE next summer and don’t need to worry about all of that, but like the chances are pretty slim, so thats where this idea/desire comes from

im prev faang+ and inc faang+, top 5 school

[thin temple]

I think you should learn c++ just to learn it

I did something similar to you and I do not use c++ currently in my work but the knowledge has helped me grow a lot as an engineer

Plus it’s just a goated language

I still use it by choice in side projects or if I do any competitive programming stuff just because the std library is so nice

[craggy monolith]

dont waste any more time than absolutely necessary doing cpp

[azure zenith]

Yes

it’s just a probability game at that stage. Majority of main firms use c++, learning it will vastly increase your chances

only reason not to do it is if you are deadset on more research side stuff (python) but even then some firms still want cpp for it

also learning cpp will just improve your skills in many areas, not really any major downsides

[weak rock]

how come? your opinion differs from what the other 2 ppl said so just curious

[craggy monolith]

Good morning everyone

Let’s win today

[gaunt gyro]

lol

[naive bison]

learning cpp at a deep level will make u a better coder in general

and yes, there are firms like akuna who have roles that are cpp only

[mint aurora]

he wants less competition

[median gust]

Anyone have tips for the leadership round for Citadel?

[dire bough]

i was asking if doing the green book is enough to prepare

[tranquil wagon]

i dont think any of those places wanna hire people that don't legitimately enjoy c++ and systems stuff and i dont think you'd like workign there if u dont

it would be a bad culture fit

[gentle robin]

how can you become a portfolio manager from dev

what’s the optimal path

[trail gulch]

dev -> desk-aligned QD -> desk strat -> PM probably

would be non-trivial

[stone drum]

lmao Optiver swe process so troll

theyve been asking the same question in their techs / mostly the same in onsites for past few years

No but its easy for first round

also u can prob find it if u search

[mellow aurora]

@lunar thicket

[white pier]

does citadel ask for gpa if you're not a new grad?

[slender wraith]

depends on how far out u are. if ur a few years out of college, yea. otherwise nah

[white pier]

Oh ok makes sense. Thanks! I'm a little over 4 years out of undergrad, and I'm about to be scheduled for an initial round of interviews for a quant dev role at Citadel EQR. Would they care about my undergrad gpa? I also have a masters.

And if anyone can share any tips for the quant dev interviews at Citadel EQR, I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance!

[gentle robin]

why is citadel doing so many interviews this cycle?

[slender wraith]

be prepared to give it but honestly bc ur in the loop alr, i doubt ur gpa would matter

[white pier]

ok thanks!

[midnight minnow]

Hi everyone,
I recently joined as a new-grad SDE at one of the MAANG companies. I really enjoy my job, but I’ve always had an inner inclination toward Quant roles and have been thinking seriously about exploring that path.
My bachelor’s and master’s degrees were in CS with a focus on ML, so I do have some mathematical background, though my formal degrees are not in math/finance.
How can I position myself to transition into a quant firm — either as a Quant Developer or, if possible, Quant Researcher given that my academic background is CS-heavy? Any guidance on skills, roadmap, or realistic expectations would be super helpful.

[glass burrow]

anyone did the jane street qr onsite? can i dm you? thanks in advance!

[sour condor]

anyone did akuna junior quant dev/strat r1? May I dm? Thx

[onyx osprey]

does anyone know if optiver blacklists 1 year from interview date or from application date for intern

[midnight minnow]

when do u think i will have a good chance, post 1 yoe

[craggy monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/debate-discussion-argument-fortnite-is-fortnite-actually-overrated-gif-11484361380369125227

[hardy marsh]

AQR is a mess bro

These recruiters are lost

[mellow aurora]

Yeah bro aqr is #1 ngmi firm

[gritty jackal]

Yo guys is sig discovery day OA guaranteed

[median gust]

Has anyone interviewed with Citadel GQS?

[hardy marsh]

Mb bro ❤️❤️❤️

[harsh juniper]

swe?

[ember star]

Does anyone know about Arcesium? Want to get some insights about the company.

[low vault]

they're a deez nuts shaw co spinoff company

do with that what you will

[white pier]

do you have any tips for the citadel EQR quant dev interviews? are they similar to other swe interviews? thanks!

[hollow oriole]

Thoughts on if Voleon(swe) is better than Stripe for internship?

When would Stripe be better? My goal is to be at a top quant firm next summer, but that is super difficult so I if that doesn't pan out I don't want to be left in a bad position.

Ok cool. How is Voleon seen as new grad position compared to big tech? It is not a big factor me considering I have another internship recruiting season but if Voleon ng >= big tech new grad it is a no brainer I feel

[modern pecan]

Voleon definitely gaps tech

Not as well heard but very impressive

[hollow oriole]

Yeah QD is my goal

[hollow oriole]

Ok great, makes my decision easy

[weary path]

anyone know anything abt HRT Algo dev intern proc?

[untold prawn]

being in berkeley is pretty tragic tho

[cold heart]

Is Optiver final round 1 hour?

[wind notch]

anyone have tqd inv?

[sick shoal]

Does anyone have experience with Point72 superday for swe

What do they test?

[craggy monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/psyduck-floaty-donut-pokemon-gif-17025889

psyduck is so cute

[dire finch]

WE will citadel eqr

[pulsar scarab]

i want citadel mlr how long must i grind at mai for that

[stray phoenix]

anybody know anything about ctc return offer rates?

[wind notch]

60%

[wild geyser]

Has anyone gone through the interview process for the jump trading ui swe intern role, it’s more front end focused? I would love to hear what it was like? I am obviously expecting leetcode but will it also be random trivia on JavaScript or python 🥲?? Any information you have would be greatly appreciated. I’m specifically wondering about the first round which I was just told would be a 1 hour technical.

[untold prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/all-roads-lead-to-rome-time-rabbit-gif-9497165517404307883

[stray phoenix]

where'd you get that number from?

[wind notch]

internally

[wind notch]

why do you ask?

[cold heart]

is

tech1 (45 min)-> tech2 (1 hour) -> final

typical for optiver? or is my tech2 the final round?

[cold heart]

also this is not true

[wind notch]

?

[cold heart]

25-30% for qt 90% for swe

[wind notch]

where'd you get those numbers from?

[cold heart]

i interned there last summer

[wind notch]

ah

my figure was for swe

interesting

these were the numbers given to me by recruiter + a ft swe

ah I see

[cold heart]

i think almost every swe gets an ro

[wind notch]

90% swe seems hella high

[cold heart]

past 2 years have been like 90%

[wind notch]

interesting

that's good for me ig

are u going back ft?

[cold heart]

nah

[wind notch]

different shop?

[cold heart]

ya

[edgy ledge]

Anyone know AQR return offer rate?

[edgy ledge]

Quant Dev

QRD

Can I DM you?

[craggy monolith]

I just be

trading

I just be developing

I just be

researching

I just be

I just be

[misty heart]

eb tsuj I

[solemn patio]

I ❤️ citadel

[dire finch]

WE 🫶 citadel

[tranquil wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-gif-12280691131005323983

[stone drum]

Hello all, I recieved a prestigious citadel EQR reachout. How much time until im making 7 figures?

[wicked reef]

Hello all, I received a prestigious citadel EQR reachout. How much time until im making 7 figures?

[dire finch]

Hello all, I received a prestigious citadel EQR reachout. How much time until im making 7 figures?

[craggy monolith]

Hello all, I received a prestigious citadel EQR reachout. How much time until im making 7 figures?

[jaunty glen]

if my cit recruiter said she'd reach out to me abt fall in early jan since they're wrapping up summer hiring, is that fine? or is it too late (since my friends got fall offers before jan)

[dire finch]

oh my aura

[craggy monolith]

I got nitro

[small sapphire]

They r super slow

It took them a month and half to process after the code pair

Anyone know what should we expect in Akuna's quant dev/strat final round?

[hardy marsh]

Bro how long after the vid recruiter 💀💀

[nova prairie]

yo anyone do the fbd trading oa?

its for the overland park campus

recruiter initials IN

[cursive stratus]

fawoifjaeofijawfwae

[lost hull]

what shud I be doing outside of studies to build resume for quant

[azure zenith]

hard side projects (finish them all the way through don’t half ass), try to get any sort of remotely relevant work experience (can be generic SWE stuff even) as soon as possible

[lost hull]

for side projects what we talking about

whst caliber of side projects

[azure zenith]

doesn’t actually matter much, as long as they are challenging, you learned new things independently, etc. good content to talk about

[azure zenith]

Are you going for swe or trader?

[lost hull]

swe

[azure zenith]

build an interpreter

Or a compiler

[lost hull]

thanks

[azure zenith]

Or make a simulated exchange with an order book etc

I built a small OS

Though that was technically my dissertation so not “outside” of studies

[lost hull]

what u aiming for

or were aiming for

[azure zenith]

back when I did that I was aiming for a swe internship

that was ~3 years ago

[lost hull]

what did u get

[azure zenith]

You could also do physics projects, or basically anything as long as it’s complex, impressive, and shows you independently had to learn etc

[lost hull]

thanks, I'm taking comp Sci shud I take another finance related major

[azure zenith]

Will DM

[lost hull]

from stalking my uni allumi, the only quant swe new grads were comp Sci finance majors top consistent grades insane internships

[azure zenith]

No

No one cares about finance major

some people even say it’s a bad thing lol

[lost hull]

I see

[azure zenith]

these companies will teach you their own version of whatever finance you need to know

some have their own textbook (not kidding)

[azure zenith]

although this was reasonably generic

for SWE the main things you want to focus on for your resume are just having anything SWE related work experience and good, challenging side projects that you can talk about very easily

everything after that is just going to be your interview performance. your resume at this stage is like an entrance ticket into the exam

[dire finch]

do you think finance is easier or harder than swe?

[strange trench]

the major or getting into the indusstry

the major is piss easy lol

[strange trench]

lol i used to be a math + business major, and then i got 3x as many quant interviews after i dropped business and was just math

[rigid yarrow]

anyone know what to expect for optiver futurefocus tech interview

why are they doing 2 oas + technical + behavioural for a 5 day program

[shadow bough]

does anybody know voleon swe intern salary

[hallow gorge]

I did my final round last Wednesday and still havent heard back yet lol

[rigid yarrow]

like straight up without any more interviews?

[rigid yarrow]

any tips on how i should prepare for the interview?

codeforces, lc?

[hallow gorge]

Does anyone know? Had my final last Wednesday but haven’t heard anything back

[minor wadi]

Hey when did u finish ur OA

And how did u do on them just curious

[rigid yarrow]

i finished 3 weeks ago

perfect on coding idk abt the other 2

[dire finch]

it was a rhetorical question

[severe lake]

Does anyone know if Elliott management is a good for swe?

[dense dawn]

any resumes i can take reference from

i want to build some projects

[craggy monolith]

andrew resume

ask @lunar thicket he send resume

to everyonme

[dense dawn]

andrew pleae

お願いします

[craggy monolith]

wtf

andrew dont send this guy your resume

he's working for ccp

[dense dawn]

bro what

thats korean bro not chinese

[small sapphire]

few month

[small sapphire]

Congrats! what position?

[hallow gorge]

C++ swe intern

i think im ghosted idk

[small sapphire]

nah

they r slow

its holiday season, ppl r on vacations

[strange trench]

^^

also akuna is historically slow with their entire process

LOL

[hallow gorge]

yah maybe

[hallow gorge]

dyk if they send out rejections fast and offers slow?

Or is everything just slow in general

[strange trench]

everythings slow

[hallow gorge]

i see ya i guess il j have to wait

[small sapphire]

I think rejection is faster in general

know someone get rejected few hour after the codepair

[hallow gorge]

i think they stack rank and im just low tbh

because the recruiter isnt responding to my follow up emails

[hallow gorge]

I did hear this though so idk

[rose holly]

Are you or anyone else aware of how important GPA is recruiting for quant? I’m wanting to delay my grad date just to have a shot next cycle at interviewing for these firms

[mellow aurora]

@lunar thicket

[hardy marsh]

@mellow aurora have a couple of questions could I dm u

[azure zenith]

Eh some places care and some don’t but I think it’s safe to say that having a good one won’t hurt but having a bad one might hurt unless you have various other things to make up for it

if you have a bad gpa but also a google internship or something then I doubt many would care for the gpa as much

[rose holly]

I see, I’ve done multiple internships in c++ , bigger companies r now biting my resume.

I want to delay so I can do a few more and recruit but then I’ll have to do a masters at a no name school or just keep delaying grad with a bad gpa

I rlly fked myself lmaooo

[small sapphire]

I think if u can manage full time work and master could be an options

This also shows ur time management:)

And u can go for NG cycle and if it doesn’t go well, u can do another legit master at a big name school

[azure zenith]

Why bother doing a few more internships if you already have a few?

perhaps harsh but seems more like procrastination. if you already have a few internships then you’re fine for the CV stage

[rose holly]

I wont get into a good masters program, I do have a solid CV and recs but a gpa of a 3.2 plus failing some classes (not being aligned with wht I waned when I fist got to college) makes me look like a bad candidate

[rose holly]

No you’re right, objectively it makes me look not the best.

[azure zenith]

you might spend more time waiting for the stars to align than actually reaching for them

[rose holly]

True

My co op will start in January

[azure zenith]

probably cheesy to say but basically yeah, don’t procrastinate by trying to perfect your situation

[rose holly]

I’ll take some light classes and grind the shit out of Leetcode and OS and networking

I’ll then apply for new grad this June I think? That should be the most pragmatic timeline for me

[azure zenith]

sounds good

[rose holly]

But new grad proc is also more competitive

[azure zenith]

compared to?

[rose holly]

Delaying by a year to secure a higher paying internship at the same firm

[azure zenith]

…and then expose yourself to risk of not getting return

[rose holly]

Then converting to RO

mmmmm

[azure zenith]

I don’t view either option as specifically better

[rose holly]

In the long run I’m optimizing for work + money

[azure zenith]

People throw this around as if it’s the trivial part when it will be the hardest bit of the whole process

[rose holly]

True

[azure zenith]

What does optimising for work mean for you?

[rose holly]

Interesting work, I def want to use modern c++ and potentially work on connectivity infra

So think network prog

[azure zenith]

nice

[rose holly]

Hbu what are your plans?

[azure zenith]

oh I’m focusing on the rest of my life for a bit now

I’m on a small garden leave between firms

[rose holly]

I see niceee

How has your career progression been, any advice? Anything you wish you could go back and do differently?

[azure zenith]

Both faster and slower than expected

slower than expected within the firm I started at (mainly just miscalculated the attitude towards new joiners at this firm, nothing major)

then faster when seeing the progression by hopping to the new firm

There’s not too many things I’d have done differently in the past. That is to say that the mistakes I made this year were valuable so I’m happy I did them in a way.

[rose holly]

Mmmm that’s a good way to live and think

Mistakes teach more

Are you based out of chi?

[azure zenith]

yeah although it’s all wishy washy bullshit unless you actually enact this mindset

[rose holly]

True true

[azure zenith]

nope. Ams ->> London

[rose holly]

Oh wow

[azure zenith]

Chicago is a nice spot for firms though

If you can safely make it to the office

[rose holly]

😂

I was there over the summer the city is very safe but near Uchicago it’s p dangerous can be

[dire finch]

chicago is 100% safe north of chinatown

just dont go any more south than chinatown and/or dont act stupid like you've never walked through a hood before

[tight mural]

I live on 63rd it’s so gentrified

Almost as safe as winnetka and glencoe now

[rose holly]

I was on ellis ave it’s near 63 during summer @tight mural

Even in the hood it’s safe , the L is low k in the hood

[tranquil wagon]

Last time I was in Chicago I got murdered

[sour valve]

is there any difference in the interview process between swe python and swe c++ intern role at hrt?

dm if you did either pleaseee

[tame gulch]

i think its more about the work you do while interning

[dire finch]

python bob orz

[grim sigil]

curr like 1900 LC contest rating

codeforces now?

[hardy marsh]

Does anyone know if u can do aqr in the fall…

[grizzled sapphire]

lol what, you can do CF at any rating, silly question

[limber oak]

no

[grim sigil]

versus more lc

[grizzled sapphire]

lc mid do CF

[frozen linden]

Anyone know how good type directed slicing work is? (It’s kinda like verifying software)

I’m thinking of taking a research role related to this at my university

Mostly aiming for qd

[small sapphire]

on their application they said they will sponsor, but they make u fill another sheet if u made to final round

[slender wraith]

nah ive seen/experienced some crazy stuff for the past few years

[limber oak]

Do a bunch of math problems when he can barely do lc mediums? 💀 lc is far better for interviews and imo until you can reliably get lc questions doing cf is a waste of time

[grizzled sapphire]

You're an actual chud if you think CF is all math problems 😭🥀

Obv he can do and get the benefit from both

[limber oak]

I’m an expert and it’s much more math focused than Leetcode, and the questions I get in interviews are more Leetcode-y

Also he’s 1900 on Leetcode so needs more practice

[dire finch]

ur experiences are invalid and unbased sorry 👉👈🫶

[craggy monolith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pEzp-Bn1Lk

[craggy monolith]

aura

[coral echo]

How is QR at JPM? not much info on how quant is at banks

[hardy marsh]

Aura

[mint aurora]

Yes if ur good at systems u will pass it with leetcode

And tbh u will pass a lot of firms even without leetcode

If u are really good at systems

just general coding is more important tho like writing clean code quickly

Leetcode not asked a lot now i feel like. Assuming for intern or new grad. idk about experienced hire

[grim sigil]

1900 lc is like top 5%

[azure zenith]

Code forces not needed at all

be good at leetcode

and be good at most CS fundamentals

networks, os, concurrency, sys arch etc

[limber oak]

Top 5% of a bunch of shitty coders + people who only did a single contest

[azure zenith]

There do exist random GitHub repos for it that might be useful

But honestly i think you should just ask around / reach out to people who have got what you want and form a consensus

obsessively seek out information online etc

that’s what I did at least

just get as many data points

it’s a continuously changing landscape somewhat when it comes to current processes too so useful to ask

[quasi oyster]

alr makes sense, thanks a lot @azure zenith

[proud moth]

how does citadel internships work? is it like only low latnecy work, or are there different teams and stuff as well? could someone give me some insight?

[mint aurora]

U can work on whatever

Most people don’t do low latency

How it works is there are two different firms, citadel and citadel securities

If you get an offer for citadel it’ll be for a specific team, and for cit sec it’ll be the whole firm and you get team matched later

The work you do will depend on the team but it could be anything same like tech

[dire finch]

^

[dire finch]

11 weeks either nyc or miami, you interview in general and then some number of hiring manager rounds to get placed in an org (ex. gqs, eqr, citsec)

[tight mural]

Sorry but I hear questions are super interviewer dependent. Friend have gotten mediums while others got lc hards is this variability true?

[proud moth]

ah i see, could someone tell me about hte interview process as well?

also, are the question like resume-dependant? would i be asked like network questions if ive never learned it before?

[tight mural]

I don’t think so

Apparently only specific teams get os/c++ trivia

[dire finch]

those are the teams u want to work for anyway

aint no bum ass going to cit for react 💀

[cursive stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-laugh-ai-baby-babyfryingme-baby-sob-folk-gif-18221933230434867320

[dire finch]

oh im not sure

i got mine alr

[tranquil wagon]

I think they’ve been moving out of Chicago

[mint aurora]

Don’t think so

They moved from chi to miami

Bc of tax reasons

[azure zenith]

May as well smash the perception for you as early as possible: most people in any of these firms are not working on low latency code

You have teams working on managing risk, booking trades, infra, data collection, data platforms, research platforms, network observation, devops, UI, compliance, exchange connectivity (not always low latency..), MFS strategies (python), I can go on

in fact you’re quite unlikely to go into a role writing low latency code unless:

• you explicitly repeat you’re interested in it
• you are very good (compared to everyone else there, not generally)

[dire finch]

bro got a hammer

[azure zenith]

the flip side is that there are a lot of hard problems to solve in any of these areas so it’ll still be fun

[proud moth]

wait no this is what i wanted to hear lmfao

i dont wanna to low latency work

😂

[azure zenith]

then there is PLENTY

hahah

[proud moth]

tyty

[dire finch]

@azure zenith are u familiar with citsec teams / know anyone who is

they directly placed me onto a team and skipped team match

[azure zenith]

thankfully not

[dire finch]

so my fate is sealed

[azure zenith]

(This is a joke)

but no I am not

[wind hound]

does cubist 2nd yr summer setup well for jane street citsec or ramp or smth or resume bar still nondeterministic

[azure zenith]

yeah sounds good

for resume screen pass that is

[dire finch]

it's a low latency team i'm just wondering if it has good internal reputation

[azure zenith]

I feel you’ll get a very subjective response to this

Easier to find out yourself when there

Nothing you can do about it now right

would be weird to request to switch because some guy on discord told you it wasn’t good

[dire finch]

just prepping mental lol

[wind hound]

also any knowledge on cubist full time pay for quant dev

[azure zenith]

At least 3

[dire finch]

350 tc without nego

[wind hound]

ok

and is that without those binus things

bonus

if steve does well this yr

[azure zenith]

..TC

[azure zenith]

I always interpret this as including any bonus

[dire finch]

^

[wind hound]

Ye googled it that makes sense

wow and jane street is 600?

levels to this ig

[mint aurora]

700*

Cubist will depend on the team too. The dev rotational is 350, but you get team matched after that

Some teams will pay more

[wind hound]

comp wise when comparing quant to swe, does smth like ramp scale better

i assume +5 yrs in career it all evens out

[mint aurora]

Depends on the firm but usually tech won't scale better

No

It was 625 at some point for returning interns

And dependant for external hire

got bumped to 700 for everyone though, not sure if people nego past it

[wind hound]

but if u do quant for like X yrs outa grad and then hit some oversubbed startup vs quant for 10+ yrs, i wonder how it plays out

i have no clue

dev strictly

[mint aurora]

It depends on the firm and how good you are

Quant firms typically have good progression, aside from some exceptions

[wind hound]

okay

[mint aurora]

They arent dumb enough to pay juniors 500k just to train them and have them leave for google in 2yoe when they're actually good at the role

[wind hound]

my friend said the js interview for intern is stricty python probem solving, whereas HRT is v low latency and OS. Cubist was decently hard but not insane

do i j read the cpp book

[mint aurora]

Big exception is JS tho, they dont have amazing progression - soft cap at 1m tc at like 5yoe (obv a lot more than tech tho still). And also some cit teams (bonus will drop y2 a lot, but can scale after - some teams scale poorly though if SWE talent isn't really needed)

[dire finch]

just read the book vro

[mint aurora]

Yeah it depends on firm obviously if u apply for a C++ role you will be asked C++

If you apply for Python role at HRT you will not be asked too much C++

😂

[dire finch]

if ur team has high pnl impact and ur not retraded you can rake

[mint aurora]

Even if it doesnt u can rake

[dire finch]

cit a lot of people move qd to qr and rake

like exceptional rake if you can make qd to qr

yum

cit does 300/300/variable these days

need me a js offer to counter

and get 300/300/250

[wind hound]

idk qr seems p diff to qd

i like algos but shit at probabbility

how un dumb do u gotta be on the job

i think myself good dev, not sure what the bar is

ig dont lose money

for quant dev rlly

interesting

like if u kill ur project and are rlly good i dont see how can get cooked

i heard p72 did decent this yr millenium did bad last month?

are quant firms mainsteam knowledge? save js or hrt wud a 40 yr old google recrutier know what cubist is i wonder

i was at tower research prev summer, hope the all quant doesnt jack me next cycle if all i get r quant interviews

oh no

this cycle i got some tech companies tho dbricks and xAi hopefully i dont silo too hard

if i only have citadel interviews imma be happy and sad

feel quant firms are more democratic in some instances then big tech

willing to give a chance

[novel sand]

what cubist team

[low vault]

I thought GQS was like 550-600 TC this year, I can’t imagine any other team in cit or citsec going far above that

[abstract storm]

CitSec QR is 300/300 recurring

This is very real

[low vault]

Sorry I am devloper😔

[abstract storm]

Yes I think these are QR numbers

[low vault]

QR high stress tho

[zenith panther]

friend got 750k for swe @ citsec

[dire finch]

citsec low latency and qr numbers

oopth

qd is 300/200/200 thereabouts

[zenith panther]

did u go to GSMST

[dire finch]

bless u what

this bum ahh school?

im from chicago

[zenith panther]

ah, how do you know sophia then 😭

oh... bro most be a ptonner

[dire finch]

my linkedin is free boss 😭

[zenith panther]

idk u

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dire finch]

sophia who

[zenith panther]

friends list

[dire finch]

o insta?

[zenith panther]

discord bruh

[dire finch]

or

oh

@zenith panther accept req g

[zenith panther]

ok

[modern pecan]

One brother making 350k another making 700k

[dire finch]

nah citsec is chill

bros dunk on wlb too hard

wlb in early career is dumb as fuck anyway u are the most replaceable and least competent when ur young

[mellow aurora]

Yeah man having hobbies and things you enjoy outside of writing marginally faster code for a multi billion dollar firm is so fucking lame fr

[modern pecan]

Swe is 300k recurring

[dire finch]

janitor swe fr

[dire finch]

we have different objective functions gang

i can work 50-60 hours / week and still have time for friends on weekends and personal hobbies at night

if i fundamentally enjoy work and getting better at engineering it really doesn't cost me anything extra

[mellow aurora]

Yea I'm not nearly autistic enough for this industry

[dire finch]

👍

[zenith panther]

ngl 9-7 isn't too bad in nyc

public transport brings back sm time 💀

[dire finch]

how folks 混 and expect to get anywhere in career is kind of baffling to me

[dire finch]

im picking an apartment <= 5 min walk from office

[mellow aurora]

????

[dire finch]

commute is the biggest american cope imve seen

[mellow aurora]

I don't speak moon runes

[untold prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/how-it-feels-when-you-meme-nanami-jjk-gif-10683277372535996893

[mellow aurora]

Oh he's Chinese nvm makes sm sense now lmfao

[dire finch]

sandbag / scuff / half-ass / towel

[zenith panther]

eh

maybe if u dont do anything besides going from office to home nad back

[modern pecan]

Why does quant make u work 2x the time but only pays 40% more ?

[zenith panther]

when i interned at citadel i went from home --> work --> food --> bjj

[dire finch]

most offices are in manhattan whats the issue with that lol

[zenith panther]

and it wouldn't be possible w/o the public transport

[mellow aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/bars-rap-funk-flex-funk-flex-gif-20149305

[dire finch]

yo you swe at sig or sm?

it's maybe 1.5x time for 2-3x pay

[zenith panther]

even if u walk to work, u want good public transport for other thigns imo

that is <

[modern pecan]

Nah nyc 50% marginal tax

[dire finch]

are u saying manhattan has bad public transport lol

[modern pecan]

The opposite almost surely

[dire finch]

importantly your time estimate is really off

or you expect to slack severely at big tech

[zenith panther]

no im saying it's good

[dire finch]

ya so im prob fine

?

[modern pecan]

Favorite place finance swe’s vacation? China

[dire finch]

wym boss

[modern pecan]

Lunch hours have 2x util

[dire finch]

i mean sure

i fail to see your point still lol

do normal non aut folks shirk work this much in the us

[modern pecan]

I love my cushy tech job in at 11 out by 3 and lunch break 🤪

[dire finch]

i'd rather be learning and getting paid to learn

[dire finch]

i much prefer singapore or japan

[modern pecan]

Nice

They nego high

[dim walrus]

🐐

[modern pecan]

Orz

Time to become qr

[low vault]

Oh interesting

Maybe citsec just > GQS

[dire finch]

ya hmmsss

gqs u might be able to backdoor alpha buyside qr

citsec u might be able to backdoor mm qr

the options...

[low vault]

what about third option

Become options day trader on wall street bets

[dire finch]

[low vault]

Lowkey Im kinda surprised that u wanna do QR

I thought you were a live laugh love

QR seems very stress stress busy

[modern pecan]

There doesn’t seem to be much swe -> qr flexibility lol

Maybe survivorship bias

[craggy monolith]

Can claude help with qr reseqrch

[tribal vortex]

I don't think many people end up as QRs, you either start as one (typically after undergrad), or do it after publishing 10 papers in top journals. Kinda sad since you do not need a phd for that job lol.

One things for certain though, some backend guy at FAANG is never gonna be a qr. tech depth too low.

[cold heart]

Anyone know how many new grad swes are cut from Optiver in the first year?

[craggy monolith]

[dire finch]

laugh work laugh work laugh some more

need the sailor work ethic in my life

[tranquil wagon]

all the qrs i've met work less than the swes lol

they seem to just be chillin

run the ml thing and wait 24 hours for it to finish

[craggy monolith]

┌(☆o★)┘

[azure zenith]

I don’t think that’s certain at all

it’ll be hard to get to absolutely but it’s not doomed lol

[azure zenith]

I’ve seen the opposite so I guess it’s quite varied

a lot of QRs I’ve seen did trader hours

[tranquil wagon]

Interesting

[azure zenith]

they also seemed less rewarded for it lol

vs a trader

[azure zenith]

but that is speculation on vibes, nothing more

[tranquil wagon]

Don’t qrs get paid the most?

[azure zenith]

I dont think there is a global leaning of one side getting paid more than the other

if you’re an amazing QR you’ll get paid amazingly

If you’re an amazing trader you’ll get paid amazingly

at Optiver at least it still seemed traders were prioritised over QRs

not by any strong or toxic level though

it’s just quite a trader centric firm ig

[modern pecan]

Survivorship bias can’t see the gqs qrs if they’re working 24/7

[tranquil wagon]

Lmao

[icy portal]

What about first year total comp

[dire finch]

your write thats more important

[mellow aurora]

My goat is so studious 😍

[dire finch]

WE yes WE will drive pnl

[mellow aurora]

Be so fr your future wealth is gonna be like +1% of your current wealth

[autumn shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/carotte-gif-10757250

why not 1st year?

ur already doomed otherwise

might as well go to mcd

[mellow aurora]

Idk I think ur a little shorter

[primal shell]

Are u speaking for yourself

Andrew is just being humble

I have on good authority his fy is 800k

(He leaked his tax returns)

[azure zenith]

depends on your priorities imo

also you might actually perform better given better wlb…

dare I even suggest you’ll be potentially more successful if your life is more diverse than just “I go to spend 12 hours at citadel every day”

[dire finch]

most people want wlb then go bar crawling to get hammered on weekdays etc

dare i say that doesn't usually lead to career growth

[azure zenith]

Wasn’t suggesting doing that though

[dire finch]

the claim is that you can grow more if you hold yourself to a higher standard than 10-4 wanking L3 big tech

and 10-4 is if your team is lucky

[dire finch]

you can suggest any number of things but what matters is what people actually end up doing

the secondary claim is that people who want wlb early on in career are probably orthogonal to early growth due to a combination of deleterious lifestyle decisions

which is fine but the bulk of people want to get off work to play val or something not to read ddia or c++ literature

[azure zenith]

When I talk about wlb I don’t mean 10-4 in big tech though

all I’m saying is that dismissing wlb priority is potentially naive and just feels like “hustle bro” mentality

Wlb to me just means not working 8-10pm every single day

I’m not talking about trying to get a relaxing job. Just one that doesn’t consume you and prevent other areas of your life flourishing

[dire finch]

it seems you're using a really broad definition of wlb

maybe only ib does 8-10pm

in any case i signed up for and am mentally prepared for 50-60 hour weeks; there are companies that do that for much less pay

[azure zenith]

This is definitely wrong

plenty of people in quant doing those hours or worse

[dire finch]

i weep for them i guess

[azure zenith]

that’s good, but also easy to say and harder to do for 5 years if you get me

[dire finch]

yeah yeah which is why you do it early career instead of trying to leg things when you're 30+ and have kids

that was kind of the whole point

[azure zenith]

my point is you can get far without needing to do 60 hours

just as far as anyone else

there is no direct hours —> success mechanism

[dire finch]

if ur knowledge gapped like me u should put in more hours to consciously bake crystallized intelligence about industry/tech/math/papers etc

its just something i'm willing to do to increase edge

not saying it's mandatory but highly suggested if you have the motivation

[mellow aurora]

He would never do this ironically

His tax returns getting leaked would actually be the end of him

[pearl ravine]

massive cope

wlb the BEST career support ever slaving away more than 40hr/week is gonna lead to burnout

[oblique orbit]

Has anyone interviewed at squarepoint for jnr discretionary trader and know what kind of questions are asked?

[hybrid hamlet]

Light probability

[austere rampart]

You’ve cracked the code man. You really don’t need that much money to be happy. Don’t let society fool you into working longer and harder than you need to

[untold prawn]

bro took eliminating the competition 101

[ripe gyro]

any1 have insight into two sigma NG SWE interviews?

[dire finch]

t-two sigma?!

[rough mountain]

Have a NG quant analytics phone screen at Barclay's tmw. This is what they said:
During the 15-minute phone screen we will evaluate your conceptual knowledge in the following areas:

• Statistical Modeling
• Applied Mathematics
• Computer Science
• Finance and Risk Engineering

I have a Data Science/ML background nothing on the finance side and little in CS. Any tips for what to prep for?

[ruby fog]

lol

[cerulean notch]

I'd be so financially irresponsible if it were closer to lower manhattan

gotta like, max out my roth ira and stuff first

This would work for long term sustainability but I've had limited lego access in the past so there's a long list of want to haves

https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/emirates-team-new-zealand-ac75-yacht-42174 I actually swooned the first time I saw this

that dragon is sick

That's an interesting wing

Works well with the lego, I think I prefer the red one's aesthetically but this one is actually blocks lol

Not a fan of that dragon

Looks like a green turkey

I appreciate how the pieces are used but it's ugly

I try to draw a dragon on most of my exams lmao

[cerulean notch]

👍

[azure zenith]

love these

yes

It’s the only motivation

although I bought a bunch of Lego on a whim and then realised oh wait I actually haven’t built a large set for a while

takes a lot of time/patience

I used to be able to sit for hours as a kid just doing it

I need to do it in the right mind but I can

tbh it’s more starting that I struggled with recently

Like sitting down and making time for it

doing it with friends is also great, I bought the Eiffel Tower set a couple years ago to build with a friend (as it’s 4x the same build basically) and honestly we had a great time doing it in sessions over 2 months

Honestly very respectably bold to have bought Lego while doing an internship and transporting it back

[dire finch]

i dont have the space for it but i'd invest heavily into lego robotics

shit got me tweakin in high school

either that or buying a waterjet metal cutter

[dire finch]

this the shit tylenol will have u doin

🔥

[cerulean notch]

bruh I set my alarm for 6:50 pm instead of am going to be late for my math exam

[pure olive]

thanks for the update

[craggy monolith]

@dire finch

[craggy monolith]

Sir?

[hardy marsh]

ive genuinely lost it w the AQR recruiters they are beyond useless

someone please do something to this company

[modern pecan]

lol what they do to u

[dire finch]

just take the interview with eqr lil bro 🥀

[ornate urchin]

Anyone did python onsite hrt

[foggy flower]

been

[proud moth]

Hi, does anyone know if citadel asks thier tagged for lc interview?

[wind notch]

not really

[tight mural]

Nah

[dire finch]

nah

[ember star]

Is it normal to get ghosted after super day? I heard if it went really bad usually rejection comes immediately

[weak rock]

I think it varies person to person, but kinda true. If any point of your life you need to work 50-60 hrs a wk, it’s the first couple of years before you have more personal responsibilities

that being said, plenty of people have really fruitful careers and can achieve all the things they want in life, whether it be personal or career related, by working 40 hours a week

if you value work more in your life then obv go for it and work 60 hrs, but not a blanket statement for everyone

[dire finch]

No Actually This Is Objectively Optimal For Everyone And There Are No Exceptions

[weak rock]

ken griffin applauds your commitment and has decided to up your tc by 100k

[modern pecan]

from 300k recurring to 300k recurring with one time 100k bonus (with 12 month clawback) with 100% of it withheld in wellington fund (3 and 30 fees)

[limpid pulsar]

Idk

[keen spade]

Hi guys. Im a college student from a SEA thirdworld country. There are no Quant firms in my country. I'm hoping to get into Quant Dev since I'm taking CS. Any tips into getting into Quant or am I cooked?

[dire finch]

congrats on jane street hk

[grizzled sapphire]

Ik some people from that one Turkish school that landed IMC and Flow traders dev

In Europe

Otherwise I agree w Singapore and HK

If you are from South America idk what you should do

Prob masters at a different country

[grizzled sapphire]

Yeah you right, I didn't know sea meant south east asia

[grizzled sapphire]

I kind of mentally skipped it

[marsh moss]

Hey I have a 45 min citadel interview coming up in 20ish days and I was wondering if anyone had any information about what the process is usually like

[craggy monolith]

Hello sir most excited for the server tag!

[ember star]

just received rej email

[vale echo]

Anyone know much about cubist proc? Can’t find anything online

[harsh cargo]

Has anyone done squarepoint qr onsite if so message me I hv a few qs

[errant lagoon]

just curious, this field is genuinely difficult to enter right? which only advances its security and makes it less likely to be oversaturated

[strange trench]

Bro is swimming in offers

[dire finch]

disingenuinely difficult

[errant lagoon]

bro im in the womb preparing for my quant interview rn

my mom hasnt given birth to me yet and im studying generating functions

thats how locked in i am

[short raft]

!problems point72 all

[patent haven]

Any new grad or experienced engineer interested in a quant dev role (EQR) at Citadel (nyc)? I know someone who can push resumes, feel free to DM!

Happy to take a look at resumes and forward anyone who’s a fit. Basically, any engineering/research background is ok as long as there is demonstrated competency in some shape or form

[dire finch]

damn eqr looking for bodies hella

[patent haven]

have a p big headcount they’re tryna fill rn

[dire finch]

i went through pipeline and ended up at citsec instead...

might need to call a few plumbers

[patent haven]

lol citsec is elite good stuff

[lunar thicket]

bro everyone and their grandma been getting this reachout 😭

[dire finch]

burning man (with real men)

[craggy monolith]

[patent haven]

I think frontier labs or yc are taking away talent or smth haha

[sonic leaf]

hey eric 😛

[patent haven]

breh ur stalking me lmao

[craggy monolith]

Great Pyramid of Yeemavax

[stone drum]

Anyone know what external offer is for cit gqs (QRE / dev)

[dire finch]

2 dollars

[edgy ledge]

What quant firm tier would you consider AQR in?

[graceful birch]

does anyone know how optiver marbles tends to scale over time?

[azure zenith]

depends on multiple factors

for the actual levels it doubles each level but that is not to say that if you get promoted your salary doubles immediately

because marble payout is always multiplied by a performance number that your manager sets

[hardy marsh]

😭😭😭😭😭

[craggy monolith]

Questions is has anyone had a Moore’s Thread Hua Gang GPU

They said it’s better than B100

[craggy monolith]

[primal shell]

Go look on LI

[dire finch]

amazon qa engineer

[cold heart]

Anyone know how many new grad swes from Optiver get fired?

[haughty hinge]

17

[quiet stump]

any chance for a undergrad non usa citizen to get into q :_) ? like any chance

i see even undergrads from targeted colleges no change

[wind notch]

doubt this is likely swe is usually pretty safe

as long as you do ur job

[wicked sparrow]

Anyone here do the SIG 90 min interview? Looking for advice

[hardy marsh]

Can u lie abt competing offers 😅😅

[hardy marsh]

Yes

[worn quartz]

you can try it but recruiters know each other and often ask about their offers lol

[hardy marsh]

I see, I mean both firms are from two completely different industries

[low forge]

Hey guys , I'm new to this server , what this channel is for?

[azure zenith]

Wouldn’t

all one has to do (and will probably do if you’re trying to negotiate) is ask to see the contract

[hardy marsh]

Hmm, can you say it was stated verbally, and need to decide soon? It would be nice to just get a little more money for housing

[azure zenith]

is “a little more money for housing” worth the non negligible risk of losing your offer?

Gotta think a bit more carefully for these things, it doesn’t seem like a good payoff to me

Unless you don’t care about losing the offer from the ones you’re trying to negotiate

[naive bison]

if these firms ever up your tc cuz of a competing offer, asking for any proof is bare min

[dreamy temple]

anecdotally, this isn't always true

but imo not worth the risk to try

[fleet moon]

Anyone know citsec ro rate
also anyone know citsec full time comp for software eng?

[wild breach]

does anyone know the sig swe tc for ng

[ruby fog]

150k

[austere rampart]

Not true

[harsh cargo]

Anyone know sqp junior qr tc? Heard its relatively low -‘ 250k

[austere rampart]

Avoid sqp, go to big tech instead

[harsh cargo]

Shittt everyone says that I’m at a quant firm rn but my sqp process has been leaking out for 6 months now and I was tryna see if it’s even worth doing the onsite lol

Most people are saying no

[naive coral]

Sqp still quant though so if you wanna enter the industry

Its a start

[dire finch]

if ur not french you'll have a bad time

[grizzled sapphire]

between HRT and Cit which has the better culture and pay

for ft

qr and algo dev

[azure zenith]

culture sounds better at hrt

or rather

Most times I’ve seen a firm is talked about as not having great culture it’s cit lol

I think asking for which pays higher isn’t going to be a representative question because the answer is it depends on who you are and how much they want you

[dire finch]

cit qr is cushier than swe/qt

unless you're on a non systematic team

[wild breach]

no shot

[small sapphire]

sqp is not as bad

anyone know whats kinda question will they ask in akuna quant dev VO?

[grizzled sapphire]

yeah fair

thought one might be known to generally pay better than the other

which I thought was cit

[dire finch]

cit will always match offer

[grizzled sapphire]

than swe/qt at cit you mean?

or did you compare to hrt

[dire finch]

ya thats implied

[grizzled sapphire]

Yeah, I think qr generally seems chill everywhere

I think I'd just go to any team that's ML heavy

[craggy monolith]

Chimble tuff button 👇

[foggy dove]

do u think i should write a cover letter for hrt ng swe (python)? i have a referral

[austere rampart]

Yes

[terse adder]

damn i wanted to get into quant hft and pe

i read old chats and its just legos and dragons 😭😭

awesome

im still a soph and i have no idea where to start yall got any tips??

[mint aurora]

No

[dreamy temple]

learn cpp

does citadel / citsec blacklist or cooldown if you do bad in proc

[lofty spade]

What company is this for

[azure zenith]

It’s a kinda wishy washy term

i think no one takes it too seriously to mean something specific

not anymore at least

[azure zenith]

I doubt anyone’s gonna call you out so probs fine tbh

[midnight scroll]

It's a different job title at sig just fyi

Although there's an s in there so maybe it's fine

[dire finch]

ya sor if u dont have enough tism u wont make it

[tranquil wagon]

Those are two VERY different things lol

By pe you mean private equity right?

[dire finch]

no he means portfolio engineering

obviously

duh

[tranquil wagon]

Ah how am I so ngmi

Ur so right

[naive bison]

keep in mind that qd is a separate role at sig

best to put whatever title that came with the offer letter

[red rune]

physical education

[small sapphire]

Depends on ur job tittle, some bg check will check for tittle with reference

[tranquil wagon]

It doesn’t make a difference

What matters is what you did

[pulsar scarab]

how to get quant offer letter

[pulsar scarab]

how to get proc?

interesting, so ur saying i should target HR

[tranquil wagon]

I don’t think it will matter

[mint aurora]

huh? surely swe -> data engineer is a bigger jump than swe -> quant dev 😭

makes sense

Fwiw i think quant recruiters know it’s the same thing

Aside from the case where it’s a company where the role is explicitly different

(in which case ur just straight lying if u change the title anyway so)

[midnight scroll]

Which is the case for sig....

[hot mica]

Most swes are just data engineers lol same for some "quant devs" even

[terse adder]

yessir

I mean I lean more towards hft

[terse adder]

Dunno about tism but I got the entire nexo knights collection and all the shields organised if that’s something

Bahahaha that’s fair

[terse adder]

I mean I do know cpp to decent level imo but then I just see some projects on githuv and I’m usually stumped

[vestal panther]

P sure data engineer is lower than swe no?

[spare fossil]

ok this might be stupid but does anyone have any sort of opinion on wallstreetquants course 😭

[chrome zinc]

how would you all compare citadel, pdt, two sigma, aquatic, and de shaw

[chrome zinc]

what about for trading infrastrcuture software + execution

why desco over pdt

eh

i mean is money is the prime metric here lol

ifl pdt would pay more in the long run