#quants-n-traders

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turbid mural
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only people I know who interviewed with JS had connections to people working there

scarlet void
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why is it better than swe?

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dyk how the qr part goes? like do u do research projects or is it mainly swe projects and just learning about qr stuff

empty jewel
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so far my quant friends havent landed roles

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a lot of them didnt get RO; the only one who did already did another quant internship before (and she didnt get an RO from that first one)

analog fjord
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Why do people hate on akuna for swe? I just got approval request and was wondering if it’s worth considering over dbrx/ramp?

meager lance
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and firm is struggling

finite sundial
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yo guys not sure if this is a right channel, but does anyone know about the process for jane street mle intern? online there is legit one pdf that is quite vague, there is unfortunately no mock video of an interview

analog fjord
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Other offers

meager lance
analog fjord
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Also like ft are they 300-400+?

brisk ingot
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half that probably

cold sparrow
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anyone know what QSD process at SIG is like?

empty jewel
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jane, imc, ctc, sig

quasi orbit
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Doesn’t citsec match u before u start

quasi orbit
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like a couple weeks before you start

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i think gqs is better if u wanna be closer to research, otherwise citsec

untold prawn
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ask them their thoughts on being banned in india

lethal sail
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has anyone done the imc quant trading intern process?

empty jewel
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anyone taken valkyrie trading OA for swe?

peak egret
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lol they just sent me that too

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i got it for all the roles i applied to 😭

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i think its auto

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have you actually gotten the oa link yet or just the email saying it was gonna get sent?

empty jewel
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both

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dyk how long it takes

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they dont say the duration

peak egret
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nah i just got the emails saying they would be sent

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i never got the actual coderbyte or wtv

hardy mulch
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did anyone give akuna vidcruiter interview assessment?

peak egret
empty jewel
hardy mulch
empty jewel
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ithink some math questions?

glass burrow
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Anyone knows what the HRT algo dev superday/onsite is like? Would appreciate some advice! Thanks!

vestal panther
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Anyone done PDT ?

hardy mulch
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What type of questions

minor wadi
quasi orbit
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How long does it take to get matched to a cit team again?

vestal panther
uncut nexus
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Do forms actually blacklist. I’ve had a couple first rounds at places. Didn’t bomb them by any means. Solved questions just didn’t pass cuz didn’t answer follow-ups . Am I fucked for next year?

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If so what firms blacklist?

low blaze
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Anyone know abt five rings sde process?

obsidian laurel
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anyone know anything about radix c++?

dire finch
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how orz is gqs

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should i do summer

vagrant ibex
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I’m debating bc the comp isn’t QD level but hopes of laterally transitioning within HFT seems promising

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😭

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Idk I just don’t see as much about non QT/QD stuff at trading firms out there when there are other dev/enginers at these places

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400 for SWE

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In my experience if SWE is 400 I expect prod to be around 300

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Maybe a bit more

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Would u rather do a FAANG SWE role or this

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that’s the real debate in my head

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So you would do Meta over this ?

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META/Google/DB/Snowflake

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I don’t consider Amazon v good and Netflix hiring is not really doable

turbid mural
turbid mural
quasi orbit
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has anyone at cit gotten rejected post leadership but pre team match lmao

quasi orbit
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like isn’t it u get leadership request -> recruiter phone call -> team match?

tough topaz
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how long does hrt get back to u after finals

tough topaz
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did u get offer

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ik some ppl getting rej same day or few days after

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hmm i see

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when did those ppl do their finals

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like friday before i would assume right

quasi orbit
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☠️☠️

thin temple
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Happened to me

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But also had a terrible last interviewer

native pumice
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2s swe intern oa what to expect

quartz loom
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What will they ask in Wells Fargo 2026 Summer Internship Quantitative Analytics Program (RADS Masters) interview

minor wadi
native pumice
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I know

hardy marsh
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r u joking

minor wadi
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I thought 2sig swe opens super late tho

hexed obsidian
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Has anyone gotten jump qr for next summer

peak egret
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Link isn’t public yet

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Def not close to head count lol they’re juuuust starting

ripe crown
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anyone in 2s prod

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proc

spiral bear
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I already have accepted an offer at a top quant firm as a new grad swe but got reached out by a recruiter from a different top quant firm for an operations intern.

I'm not interested in the role but I haven't heard much about the company. I was thinking about asking the recruiter if they could meet for maybe 15 minutes to just tell me about the company culture and the type of work they have in case I ever want to move to a different company. It seems to me though that this would probably just be a waste of the recruiter's time and might be a bit rude. Would it be a bad idea to send such an email?

spiral bear
limber torrent
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Any Quant co-ops that I can apply for right now and still have a chance of getting for Summer 2026?

full granite
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do people here think coding jesus is kind of a clown? isn't it a bit scummy to just make a website and put it behind a paywall of stuff that he just stole from a textbook?

vagrant ibex
full granite
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literally he just stole most of his questions on his website from this quant book

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and put it behind a paywall

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and makes hella money im guessing off his audience

vagrant ibex
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Tbf his videos did help me with my processes, I would just watch them for fun on yt

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However I still think everything he has in his course can be learnt for free

full granite
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i mean i think his videos are interesting i think we should do stuff like them in this discord tbh

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like mock interviews

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that would be fun

vagrant ibex
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yeah

full granite
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the issue i have with him is he's a bit mean honestly like there's definitely people who are out there that can bully him

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and his website is really dishonest

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but there's definitely a lot of people who can embarass his knowledge and he can be a bit harsh on people who are just beginners or not really knowing much about CS

proven salmon
full granite
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i think too I can get higher TC maybe fast

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but i've been learning a lot more stuff lately and trying to improve my knowledge a good bit

harsh cargo
full granite
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wrong channle

full granite
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It’s just super pretentious I guess

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Its like a diamond player in league

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Smurfing against bronzes

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And being like oh my god look how bad they are

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And like getting an ego about it

marble hemlock
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Does anyone even watches his streams? I think he specifically shows only worst ones nd make sum general assumptions bout all new grads or swe

marble hemlock
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I like the ball flying game more

fading lantern
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does anyone know anything about ctc swe intern technical interview?

teal tapir
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Hey guys my friend who’s not on discord is currently with a quant/trading firm, the trader under whom he’s working deals in futures (idk really, acc to him, they buy certain stock or bonds and promise to reach that price, idk really) futures is the term he used. But his recruiters didn’t really give him any training whatsoever. He’s just free balling it with gpt so far. He knows the basic terms now about finances and other things.

But If there are better resources to learn from, it would be a great help.

teal tapir
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People are selling courses on interview prep saying that they worked at faang and dropped out, meanwhile it happens to be an internship that they did.

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Futuresfirst, it’s an Indian firm. I may have explained that stuff wrong because I’m not a finance guy, just looking to help out my friend.

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What irked me the most is that they gave him one day to learn the terms and from second day onwards they started giving him tasks, even tho he clearly mentioned in the tech interview that he is not very well versed with finances and that he only knows the basic.

mellow aurora
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Skull emoji

full granite
teal tapir
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Most of the tech ytuber targets the student who just joined Clg and are looking to learn programming.

full granite
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at first i thought he was cool and his knowledge was impressive, but as i've gained more knowledge myself they seem quite cringe

full granite
teal tapir
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This imo was a better approach than just watching through countless videos.

teal tapir
full granite
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and from just books you kind of miss out on these tricks, and it's about how engaged or active you're watching it

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if you passively do anything in life the results will be likely worse than if you were being engaged

latent raven
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Has anyone done their interviews for Wells Fargo yet?

iron torrent
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@astral lily

astral lily
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hes probably talking about wf quant not wf swe

latent raven
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It's weird, I never got an OA or anything from WF, just a teams link for an interview on Thursday.

hexed storm
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anyone know about jump data engineer intern process

gusty root
surreal patio
teal tapir
surreal patio
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That's like CS fundamentals

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You can watch David Gross' CppCon talk as a starting point

young mantle
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idk i haven’t rly used it

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but heard it’s good

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freecodecamp is good imo

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have used them briefly

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i rly enjoyed a channel called codebeauty, she’s got many playlists for c++ on yt

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and i think i also used lowlevelprogramming on yt as a complement

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tbh lemme send u a more detailed breakdown in a bit

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on youtube (specific to c++):

  • codebeauty
  • low level
  • bro code
  • core dumped (for os related stuff)
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good luck!

rose holly
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^^ bro trying to improve his chances by spamming the worst resources 😂

young mantle
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bruh i'm being deadass it helped me when i was learning cpp + i'm not even aiming for quant can u pbqt

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💔 🥀

low vault
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Core dumped is based

rose holly
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Just open a book 📖

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And read

full granite
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just go thorugh this list tbh

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if you complete this list you will learn a lot of good stuff

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but if you wanna be a min maxer i think that one quant hft interview guide book is good, but my thoughts is you have to train for a while to be a competitive applicant

drifting imp
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Anyone interview Optiver swe

dry ravine
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anyone knows what to expect in akuna qr technical screen?

ornate urchin
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anyone heard somethig about nova prospect, are they any good?

low vault
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I just rly dislike ppl that make their personality egoing on beginners or whatever

candid kindle
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does anyone know if citadel accept relocation? like US to UK?

ornate urchin
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i heard they give a non compete

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and taking a non compete for cci, is kinda ridiculous imo

broken yarrow
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specifically for interviews not for production level programming

young mantle
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codebeauty yt channel spam watch and follow her in-video examples

serene wraith
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is there a discord gc for jane street interns (currenlty in loop)? has anyone did recently interviews with JS for swe internship? pls DM me

slender olive
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yo im in the process for the commodities shops like shell and BP do yall have any insgiht on prestige and if it has any weight for other trading pipelines to different firms. Idk if i should take my normal swe offer or commodities route

mellow aurora
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We are not reading allat

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His firm is easy to find though

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Just ask @lunar thicket

hasty osprey
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Is headlands a t5 firm?

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@low vault

low vault
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WLB is 😂 though

hasty osprey
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Wait wats ur t10 list

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In order

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@low vault

low vault
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i dont rly have an order tbh

low vault
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u should ask ur friend : )

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for swe

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ive talked to enough people to get the sense that it's really way more about what you bring to the table after starting than anything else

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you can succeed in any good firm where you can fit in with the culture

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so it's really more about fit

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on god no pls

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again it really depends on your output within the firm lol

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the actual process is something like

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  1. get your first offer, then search for firms that are ~= or >= your current TC
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  1. evaluate culture fit at each firm and jump to the higher TC if the culture fits well and the other factors are good
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i dont condone impersonation on interviews

low vault
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for NG dyt recurring or whole TC

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for swe I haven't seen any recurring above 500 (or 460 for initial offer)

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mmm

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I mean the upside is like you get an extra 100k that you can invest in the S&P500 immediately or whatever

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otherwise i dont relaly think it matters

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if ur looking for long-term expected TC it would be moreso culture, growth opportunities, etc. no?

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mans at the max growth firm rn

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🤩

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yall are so babie

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LOL

low vault
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tyyy cat_love

daring wave
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Wait what firm does coding Jesus work at

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what rip

daring wave
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i was curious and found his linkedin

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i mean github

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he does jane street puzzles

low vault
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☝️🥺☝️ andrew bb ur in the sexiest pod rn

worn quartz
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why is tower so slow with their process

glass burrow
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anyone did the hrt algo dev onsite? can i dm you? thanks in advance!

graceful birch
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Which firms give the highest NG SWE comps? heard jane street is 650?

Cit is 550

Optiver is 450 -> then marbles?

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does marble system outscale for long term?

lilac garden
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Anyone know about Trexquant

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swe

lapis glen
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so cracked..

low vault
low vault
thin temple
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QR or QT maybe

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Cit swe caps out though, not sure what cap is for this year though

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Kind of sucks for all new grads from last year because all ranges are much higher

low vault
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is citsec diff

thin temple
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Cit sec is diff but generally they follow similar pays

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They COULD do whatever they want though I think

low vault
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mostly fat ass signing bonuses

thin temple
low vault
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400-->450?

thin temple
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Js $300 base and I think higher recurring bonus by like $50-100k

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I mean even a $100k total recurring jump is still like 1/4 increase

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Pretty insane

low vault
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that's true

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I thought recurrings were 400 last year

thin temple
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Nah $250 base and I believe $100k bonus + $50k sign on bonus iirc

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Or maybe $150k bonus recurring not $100k

low vault
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oh what

thin temple
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But for sure the base increased $50k and I am 80% sure the bonus did as well

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Expect like $400k

low vault
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tbh long term bonus is what matters anyway 🙃

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I thought QD last year was like 350

low vault
thin temple
low vault
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but the bonus kinda depends on how u do

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so it can be 50k lower

low vault
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i heard cubist didn't do so well this year tho

thin temple
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If u can bring $50k recurring bonus

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That’s $100k jump from last year

low vault
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mmm\

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true

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from the ppl ive talked to tho negotiating recurring bonus doesn't really matter

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cos like after Y1 it's gonna be based on performance anyway

thin temple
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Yeah this is generally true

low vault
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you get stronger signal from what they offer initially

thin temple
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But also it depends on firm size

low vault
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and if you can get salary progression numbers

thin temple
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And your position in firm

low vault
low vault
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there's also like internal firm politics (e.g. how much of the performance pool is given to ICs as a bonus)

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but this is really hard to quantify

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I heard HRT has had some political issues i nthe past few years

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and I can't imagine a firm as large as JS not having politics either

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oh interesting

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i didn't rly notice that w them

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they seemed pretty chill

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oh interesting

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why did they do it

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on god

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11-12

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diabolical

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I thought HRT was like 45h/wk avg lol

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yeah probably

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i heard that there's some teams that are really bad, most are alright

vague cloak
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hi gang I’m back, whats volobridge quant dev like & have any y’all gone thru the process? Can dm

past dirge
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has anyone done akuna vidcruiter for junior qd ? any info would be appreciated 🙏

normal lichen
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has anyone done first round for chicago trading company trading associate? pls dm

analog stump
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100

safe shadow
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what do i need to pass interviews does this even matter

safe shadow
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qt

low vault
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o nvm

hasty osprey
glacial raven
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120+

cursive atlas
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Anyone know anything about walleye volatility trading solutions team

normal lichen
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LOL HI

fading lantern
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does anyone know anything about the ctc swe intern tech interview?

honest kernel
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Do qf apps at banks open up at different time of year than other qt/qr roles?

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Ik banking opens up in december, im not sure if qf also does then or rather in the summer like most prop firms and wtv else

full granite
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isnt zetamac only for trader or needed for dev role too?

proven salmon
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tbf thats part of the point

ruby fog
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like 60

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ppl who are saying 100 are capping

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beyon like 60-70 it’s waste of time

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if you’re strictly optimizing for interviews

devout sparrow
ruby ore
dreamy ore
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how bad is it to renege on an new grad offer?

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i see quite a lot of recruiters moving around companies within quant so i was wondering if that would trigger a blacklist

ruby fog
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the question was what do u need

devout sparrow
ruby fog
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ur good

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i mean my best is like 96 so 100 doable lol

glacial raven
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below 120 is ngmi sorry

mellow aurora
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Fiwry is not here

tough topaz
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hrt hasnt gotten back to me a week+ after final is it doomed

empty jewel
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yes

ruby ore
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u just memorize the answers after a while

daring wave
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good morning goat

ruby ore
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wow

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hello

daring wave
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hello

spiral rivet
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kinda late but can I dm?

mellow aurora
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Why are u still here lol

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Smurfing on these kids

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Ok you're not going to study

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So just go to sleep

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Do you even need to graduate

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Like what if you just drop out

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Exactly so why don't u

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Why does your mom care

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She ain't got a dog in the race

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And now you work in homeless people murder corporation

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Sad!

mellow aurora
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Do u have any idea

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Like actually any idea

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I can't be the one to say it

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But ask Andrew what really runs in his veins

weary path
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damn rift still active what you up to?

analog fjord
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How bad is it to renege a mid tier quant firm (eg ctc, akuna) ? Also how do their RO’s generally look like?

solar gazelle
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did they give you a schedule? i did qr onsite but i think the "quant interviews" should be similar

undone estuary
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RO is dogwater

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akuna is like amazon tier lmao

analog fjord
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💀

proven salmon
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mods

latent raven
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If I don't get the Second round WF quant interview im genuinely going to stick a .22 in my mouth

opal ivy
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do any firms have virtual superdays

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if so which ones

proven salmon
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youre so tuff

solar gazelle
ornate urchin
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Any intel on aquatic

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As a company

ornate urchin
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Yeah theyve been so sweet to me so far i gotta say

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Maybe nice guys do end last 😞

dire finch
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water type trading company... orz

deep python
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hey i heard people say if you dont hear back the next day after interviewing with citsec it generally means you dont pass

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wondering how true this is, had my r1 qt with citsec yesterday

river field
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I need some advice on my quant strat Goldman Sachs superday. Any help will be valuable

honest ruin
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Anyone else get rejected after arrowstreet quant dev oa?

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I got a perfect on it

dark rover
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does anyone know arrowstreet capital SWE RO rate?

midnight kraken
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anyone have done arrowstreet?/

primal relic
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does BAM do off season

warped marten
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Any insights on xtx markets interviews

wicked lotus
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Does anyone know if akuna uses the same problem set for final onsite for swe intern?

low vault
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holy shit

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xtx has a researcher internship thats 35k/mo

sharp stone
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should u mention faang final rounds/offers to quant companies to speed up proc

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or not worth it

glass burrow
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Anyone knows about five rings QT r1 that i can dm? Thanks in advance!

sharp stone
turbid mural
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what questions does Citadel NXT ask?

supple grove
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does anyone have any info for what kind of questions/process they may have for an fpga role?

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in particular for jane street but any advice in general would be appreciated

royal kraken
low vault
azure nimbus
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Has anyone been reached out to by Point72? What's the OA like?: We received your resume recently and our Central Research Technology team is interested in your background for a quant development internship next summer. As the first step, we’d like for you to work on a HackerRank test.

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Also, how long for optiver behavioral feedback usually? Took it today, might be cooked though 😭

low vault
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Mmmm AFAIK I was interviewing for both still at the time. My reason was that I had a deadline in a week so I think they accelerated the process for me

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Yeah had a mix of both

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But I did call w issac after so the sorting hat picked platform anyway…

analog stump
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either way, ull usually hear back in a week at most i think?

low vault
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yeah

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like after the onsite

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i wasn't even expecting such a round tbh

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so i didn't allocate time for it

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headlands process so long...

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1 tech phone + 1 behav phone + 6 onsite + 1 hm 😭

honest kernel
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has anyone interviewed for this arrowstreet quant finance symposium

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what does it cover

strange trench
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if i am using a competing offer to expedite an interview process and they ask for comp, should I disclose if I know for certain its lower than what the interviewing company typically pays?

low vault
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ah icic

brisk ingot
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anyone know how many technical rounds headlands has before the final? — for swe

mossy brook
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anyone know if sig qt oa is auto?

prime kernel
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any info on sig linux engineer intern process?

strange trench
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perhaps im disproportionately scared of this since i alr had a superday cancelled on me this cycle due to them hitting hc

gentle robin
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is citsec onsite final round in person for new grad swe

low vault
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i mean i might just follow up and see what they say w/o mentioning deadline

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u could lie abt deadline

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up to u tho

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like w anything thats false u might get caught and that would put u in a bad light

strange trench
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Wait I have a deadline tho

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But ye Tyty

marble hemlock
low vault
low vault
tranquil wagon
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This is purely negative ev

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If a company wants you then it doesn’t matter what ur other processes are

low vault
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mm fair

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i mean u should def give deadline if u have a real deadline

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just to prevent reging

mossy brook
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anyone know what min sig qt oa score is to get phone?

knotty kelp
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Anyone done IMC Quant trading online assessment before?

ocean bloom
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anyone in five rings process for qd? Please dm

bright mountain
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Who in eqr process

shut scroll
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grats on harvard

honest kernel
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Damn

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Do you know if the interview is similar to their internship ones or easier

low vault
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bb why do arrowstreet when u can shoot an arrow through my street 😳

tranquil wagon
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Ur better than this

mossy brook
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Anyone know what js asks in r1? i just got an invite to qt intern r1

wicked reef
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they also ask about resume

shut scroll
mossy brook
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how much deeper?

grand vine
wicked reef
wicked reef
shut scroll
shut scroll
mossy brook
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is green book enough?

shut scroll
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Well u dont necessarily need all of it but yeah

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Asusming u also have some baseline level of coding (like LC easy)

mossy brook
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yea i have that

mossy brook
shut scroll
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They could ask u during final

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Its low prio

mossy brook
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oh gotchu

peak egret
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anyone know tc for trexquant swe

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stamford is so expensive...

viral crow
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Jane street asked me about the lettuce eating contest i winner i put on my resume

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just had r2 today

wicked lotus
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How long do i have to wait after Akuna final for SWE Intern?

coarse willow
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If I’ve received a standard SWE role at a bank (a 2 year new grad program with an automated promotion cycle at the end), how can I best position myself for potential quant-ish roles at said bank? Any advice from people in the process/have been through this process?

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Like internal pivoting

strange trench
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maybe? they waited lowkey hella long after my oa to give me r1

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anyone have alpha on js r3? the email said smth about games and such

deep python
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how long after sig qt hr call do we expect to hear back? ive seen people hearing back within hours but that was earlier in the cycle

empty jewel
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you’ll have to make imperfect decisions quickly rather than just analytically calculate probabilities

strange trench
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Ah shit okay Tyty

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Do u know any resources to prep or is it just we ball

shut scroll
mossy brook
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anyone know whats on the maven oa

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like is it mental math or what

mossy brook
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qt

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oh round 1

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my bad

strange trench
hardy marsh
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Anyone do arrowstreet qd proc?

coarse willow
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Dude whatever someone will give me I’m just asking for advice on how to train

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I’m not pressed about like QT or QD

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Or QR

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They’re all fucking moonshots

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Unless th training regimens are widely different

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Hm

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Bro I like don’t do PC

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LC

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not that I think I’d be stupid at it

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But I like gotta grind starting now

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Oh my god there’s a quant disc j like this?

unreal swift
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can someone slid me inv too

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also has anyone done sig qsd interviews is it diff from swe?

cold heart
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how stressful is swe at imc

opal bramble
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what do you expect?

opal bramble
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i thought he was referring to the actualy job

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not the interview

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?

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?

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my other friend @ citsec works 70+ hr weeks to

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?

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168 hr in a week btw

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know people that work 100 he a week

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?

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this guy probs don’t even use c++ smh

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ok not 100 but like 70+

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did you get that

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oh i thought we were talking about about citsec now

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sure but i think many weeks you can push 70

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ye i’ll agree i was just lowering the app pool

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whatever it takes bro

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idk

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not the point, i already said i was trolling

tranquil wagon
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Do people not get pipped

opal bramble
tranquil wagon
opal bramble
tranquil wagon
opal bramble
tranquil wagon
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This is a dodge lol, different companies have very different cultures around it

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Some places ur worries for your job day to day

tranquil wagon
opal bramble
tranquil wagon
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Graduating in may

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Lol

opal bramble
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i’m debating just applying for swe instead of intern when i tern 18

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just turned 16

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dw bro i got this

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i’m cracked trust

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you also need std::nonstatic_datamrmbers_of(^^T, std::access_current::Current())

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as of the most recent std change

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wait

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meta::

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cause they don’t really know how to code

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i keep asking ivy people C++ and they don’t know any new things

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they are not “ahead of thr e curve”

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i think if you know the languages features in depth, and are be able to implement them yourself, in depth, you can do it

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he’s bad icl, surface level knowledge

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when compared to some of the devs you meet

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gng go to my github

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i’m gonna leave tho

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nice talking to you!

tranquil wagon
#

Saying c++ language knowledge is irrelevant then saying usaco is more important is funny lol

shut scroll
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How do u even know abt trading firms in high school bro touch grass

tranquil wagon
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For me language knowledge has been much more important, i can barely do leetcode hards

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Oh I thought u were talking about job applications

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What has the world come to

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Yeah thinking you can get hired at a trading firm out of high school without being a prodigy is wild work

late root
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Maybe if he is a lettuce eating contest winner then he has a shot

iron torrent
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Hs freshmen is no life ngl

quasi orbit
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why bro shitting on a high schooler

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let him be

tranquil wagon
#

I wouldn’t call it slop, it seems good for learning as a high schooler, but yeah it’s not gonna get him a job at 18

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I think it’s a bit discouraging to call them that, it’s way better than what most high schoolers have done and if he pushes them a bit deeper to be more interesting i think after a few years at college he’ll have a good shot of getting a job he wants

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Yeah an ego check is good for everyone once in a while

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The whole concept of high schoolers that want to work in quant is a little cringe tho icl

tranquil wagon
coarse willow
#

Yeah who the fuck is this guy lmaooo

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“Look at my GitHub” and it’s just a dude.

shut scroll
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Grown adults shittin on a high schooler w dreams bro

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Although I do mostly agree

coarse willow
#

It’s lit arrogance

shut scroll
#

Nah ur advice was good I think just overly harsh imo

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Most teens w/ similar ambitions are gonna be pretty arrogant i think

tranquil wagon
coarse willow
tranquil wagon
coarse willow
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Next resume post when🥀

tranquil wagon
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Sure

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Gimme a discount on Optimus

coarse yew
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what is happening

coarse willow
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Is that when you try and make elons salary a billion dollars by putting it all on black

coarse yew
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as in companies that aren't trading firms!

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oh lowk that makes sense

acoustic warren
#

anyone aware about SIG Quant Researcher Intern hiring process?

tranquil wagon
opal bramble
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i do have open source commit

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i worked on as a core dev for hvm for a while

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nah its over icl, thats why i spend all day writting haskell in class and i ended up failing like 12 classes except math and programming

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ye no chance icl

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ill end up graduating hs as a junior going to cc then transfering

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and when i say i failed classes i mean like B+

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so its over

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im usaco platinum, hackathon winner (ik its pointless) all i do is code 4-6 hours a day

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and im speaking at a few conferences later this year

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but besides that its over, my mentor went to non target got into citsec

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i believe in myself thats all

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ITS ALREADY OVER BRO?

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i hope

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a few startups already asked me to join

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but i dont think i should do that

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also, what do you know about this?

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no chance gng ive wanted quan dev t for like 4 years now, all i think about is programming

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FT?

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oh

shut scroll
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^ W advice

opal bramble
#

but what if I will never change course

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, ml /= ai

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yeah, what about it?

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even when firms are confident, they manage tail risk so conviction dont turn to ruin

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ye but i wont get into a good one

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so ill just transfer to like ucla or ucb

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where did you go to college? t20?

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ye its over

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i have a meta interview for r2 next week

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i got my cluely offer but i aint into that startup slop

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we will see, i hope its a knowlege round and i dont have to do more leetcode

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ye, doesnt mean i like leetcode

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just your good /= its fun

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i dont like cp, it was more like i was forced to do it

shut scroll
#

Bro wants a fun interview experience im dead

opal bramble
#

leetcode is just boring icl

shut scroll
#

I really dont know how u say that and are usaco plat

opal bramble
#

the worst it gets is like stiener tree problems

shut scroll
#

So ur saying LC is boring cuz its easy?

opal bramble
#

no, its boring cause its repetative

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YO

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CHILL

shut scroll
#

Bros been ragebaiting this whole time

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Fairs

opal bramble
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aight bro icl im gold 😭

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still pissed i never got plat

coarse sand
#

Everyone is gold nowadays, im gold too

opal bramble
#

nah gng gold is before plat

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?

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bronze < silver < gold < plat are we deadass rn

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although you are right there is a huge difference between gold and plat

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very different skill level iwl

coarse sand
# opal bramble ?

what's the diff between time limit for java and c++ for usaco open contests respond in 2 seconds

opal bramble
#

2 vs 4

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now chill

coarse sand
#

ok yeah seems legit

opal bramble
#

not always tfrue

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that is true, but if you are gold going for plat

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you end up solving gold - low plat level

coarse sand
#

my usaco gold is meaningless nowadays bc of all the new age cohorts cheating

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i know someone doing swe intern there i doubt it

opal bramble
coarse sand
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tho they are female so maybe diff

opal bramble
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i know somew who never did cf or cp and is working @ citsec form non-target

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and he was hired @ jump @ 19

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no he was working @ jump crypto under kanav before kanav left

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? bro i only know 1

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?

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how was your knowlege of distributed systems before you become quant dev

coarse sand
#

Guys what is p(ft qt role at any firm >= flow traders, geneva or wolverine or smth|citsec/js/hrt/radix qt intern)

opal bramble
#

its really up to you tho

coarse sand
opal bramble
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but what do i know im just a illiterate, dumb high schooler who is completly naïve and incompetent

coarse sand
#

oh ok then go do ur ap calc hw and enjoy life

opal bramble
opal bramble
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~80% bro stop warring about the numbers and go read https://people.freebsd.org/~lstewart/articles/cpumemory.pdf

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or https://unidel.edu.ng/focelibrary/books/Designing%20Data-Intensive%20Applications%20The%20Big%20Ideas%20Behind%20Reliable,%20Scalable,%20and%20Maintainable%20Systems%20by%20Martin%20Kleppmann%20(z-lib.org).pdf

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or https://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~akroit/math/compsci/Cormen%20Introduction%20to%20Algorithms.pdf

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or https://cdn.bookey.app/files/pdf/book/en/database-internals.pdf

coarse sand
#

bro why are u in this server stressing lol

opal bramble
opal bramble
coarse sand
coarse sand
#

what high school teaches ds&a lmao aside from some bougie bay area schools

coarse sand
opal bramble
#

it was free sense its inception

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pirating

coarse sand
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i liked the textbook idk

opal bramble
#

maybe i have no idea

opal bramble
opal bramble
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so if im constantly thinking about solving problems and programming i will become a better developer

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or maybe im just tripping idk

coarse willow
#

ye ye i once built a compiler in XML

untold prawn
tranquil wagon
#

I’d just delete my discord account and start over at that point

fiery tangle
#

tbh i think its fine. hf is being arbed out quickly these days anyway, ive heard that all the hfts are moving into mf. Just do well at your job and look for interesting projects/opportunities and if that requires c++ im p sure u can pick it up really quickly if u got an offer from hrt

low vault
#

Gender notwithstanding

waxen cypress
#

hey, i have a python interview ocming up for hrt, can i DM?

autumn shoal
#

i agree using competitive programming knowledge for job hiring is to some degree questionable albeit it is perhaps reasonable for quant trader, wot else is relevant besides writing some crypto arbitrages

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if you are still in high school consider a more interesting life path than quant 🤡

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i only join this server to waste time

opal bramble
#

what is larping

#

i just wanna be a quant, is there really that much of a problem with that

low vault
#

Obviously it’s gonna be inaccurate if you game it

#

But that’s true with basically any metric

#

So relative to other metrics it can be pretty good (i guess one reason is that it’s pretty normalized/quantitative and demonstrates effort over a longer period of time)

autumn shoal
#

i think competancy to implement a prompt is important, and some thinking on implementation tradeoffs is useful

#

i think navigating large codebase is also as useful and not tested

#

wot u can test in an hour is limitted, but i'd probably design more like ur given small repo and implement feature in it

low vault
#

Oh yeah that’s probably quite good

low vault
#

I guess in terms of implementation tradeoff not really

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Actually i think you do get tested that on implementation problems

autumn shoal
low vault
#

Like very ECNA style lolol

autumn shoal
#

(with tradeoff meaning complexity, tho "real-world" tradeoffs would be more relevant to discuss)

low vault
#

(Yeah but there’s a lot of other trade offs that are relevant right)

#

Ditto

#

I think CP is probably more useful as a resume screen indicator (eg which candidates to select to maximize P(pass interview))

#

Why not for SWE

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I feel like this is much more useful for SWE lol

autumn shoal
#

i thought algo dev was swe

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wot is difference?

low vault
#

Huh interesting

#

I wouldn’t make that assumption honestly

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I feel like it’s possible if u don’t have that much intern experience that you could pass based on brute force alone

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And not actually know how to navigate a code base

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Personally I think CP is a positive signal for being a good SWE but that’s just my personal experience

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If you don’t actually seriously pursue SWE as a career option you’ll be bad at engineering no matter how high ur codeforces is

autumn shoal
#

<insert obama giving medal>

low vault
#

Mmm I can see that

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I think that’s probably optimal

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I think CP is nice mainly because it gives you something concrete to focus on

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The gamification aspect helped me a ton

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Idk I find it hard to focus on projects without much direction / measurability

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~~maybe that’s why I’m doing quant 💀 ~~

#

Yeah

autumn shoal
#

i think having metrics is usually good

low vault
#

I think it really depends on how much you lean into it

autumn shoal
#

whether arbitrary metric analysis is gamification ig can be for debate

low vault
#

Most competitive programmers retire eventually and end up pursuing something else

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Unsurprisingly competition winning is not a viable career path

autumn shoal
#

career path is a competition tho

low vault
low vault
#

A lot of the ppl I talk to aren’t really that competitive w jobs

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If your fundamentals are strong enough you don’t really need to focus on climbing the ladder and just do what you enjoy

wanton epoch
#

The job market so bad even McDonald’s told me no

autumn shoal
#

there is no reason you can't make good metrics

low vault
#

Tbf you need a metric always to an extent, or at least some concrete goals

#

You have to be able to size your tasks

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Into uhh

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Measurable goals

autumn shoal
#

compprog, lc, putnam, etc. are just a niche task for a metric

#

but things like how many people your projects reach, how many people you can get to contribute with you, etc. are also quantifiable metrics that directly relate to what you'd want in some real world swe environments

low vault
#

Arguably this is the gap that CPers miss out in training, but my argument is that you build enough fundamentals that you can focus on the “higher level” skills instead of worrying about fundamental technical ability

autumn shoal
#

idk if self contained algos is the only "fundamental technical ability"

low vault
#

And edge cases/debugging

autumn shoal
#

but most people just don't know how to solve problems at all without following a tutorial thanks to failings of k-12 system

#

so cpers (are one class of people) have an edge on this

low vault
#

Idk I feel like I got kinda cooked by being washed at math this summer (despite getting RO)

#

Which CP selects for pretty heavily (I just haven’t seriously practiced in years)

low vault
#

Yeah I think this is the optimal approach

#

IMO I’m not too worried about whether the optimal approach is taken or not, at the end of the day if you’re always trying to learn and improve that’s what matters : )

supple sun
low vault
supple sun
#

ah

marble hemlock
#

I think this is kinda circular since you realised ur not good enough in math to do something, then u became better at math nd did that thing. Either way you train

low vault
#

🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏

autumn shoal
#

i think just this abstract concept is in general is useful for swe, for cpers this is mostly how you learn to do algo problems (try to do problems, learn the pre-reqs). just getting exposure to this mindset in general is the fundamentals to me

low vault
#

Though I’d probably just do a stat course at that point too

#

I feel like the easiest way to “consume” stat knowledge is probably to do it in school

#

The specifics aren’t really important

#

But you build the fundamental skills

marble hemlock
#

Thats true. I think w classes lots of people usually never see connection between concepts and why u learn them

low vault
#

Yeah

#

I agree

marble hemlock
#

Classes give u more broader knowledge i guess, so as long as u find its applications, u should be still good

autumn shoal
#

the latter bcz graduate math is useless so u can't use in real world 😭

low vault
#

Then you learn a lot of ideas that you’re bound to find some application in the future

#

At least that’s how I view math -> QD/QR roles

autumn shoal
#

strongly agree as general direction of learning (tho more abstract math is pretty notation/terminology heavy which makes kinda annoying)

marble hemlock
low vault
#

Or if there’s a fat curve blobcreep

marble hemlock
#

tbh if i would be rich asf, i would just have like 10 degrees to go to classes nd learn interesting stuff without worrying bout usage of it😭😭

low vault
#

Oh I didn’t get asked this during NG

#

Yes

autumn shoal
#

if i was rich asf u'd never catch me going to class well i don't now anyway

#

idk how ppl think it's fun

#

rather just do things myself

low vault
#

And the professor yap

#

I like yapping

#

Seems legit

autumn shoal
#

i think it's strictly more satisfying figuring things out yourself

marble hemlock
low vault
#

Oh yeah I was lol

#

But I feel like knowing how to do code is more important for cpp idk

marble hemlock
strong kite
#

anyone know what i could be asked during second round of interviews for millennium qd intern?

#

i have absolutely no clue and they don’t give any idea

autumn shoal
#

there are levels to how much is yourself vs resources, but i think in general i enjoy the closer it is to just experimenting and figure things out

low vault
#

Hey man huge congrats tho still 😄

autumn shoal
#

eh most of the upper courses are only past couple 100 years, you can a rederive a lot more when you have hints of what metrics to strive for and what is possible

torn forum
#

Is it possible to get QT new grad roles, if you don't have prior quant internship experience ?

tranquil wagon
cold heart
# opal bramble what do you expect?

i signed for FT for swe. Was at a different firm this summer. not as good as IMC, but they did offer more money lol. just hoping i made the right decision. I'm just worried about bonuses. from what i've read online, it seems almost random

opal bramble
cold heart
#

ah word

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i know qt is brutal for IMC

#

but i think its chill in terms of hours. like 60-70 a week

#

if even that

#

i took imc

#

i rejected a different firm

opal bramble
#

bro im sorry, please stop calling me a larper, i dont even know what that means..

#

i was being nice and redirecting bro...

tranquil wagon
#

Even for this industry

#

I’d say chill is up to 50 hr/week lol

#

Past 60 is pretty intense

untold prawn
tranquil wagon
untold prawn
#

60 is bad lol that's like 5 grueling days or 6 long ones

grizzled valley
#

how many ppl here have actually worked 60 hrs a week for more than like 3 months

tranquil wagon
#

Probably not many seeing as most people here are in college lol

#

But yeah I’d be very hesitant before accepting a role that expects 60+ hours

grizzled valley
#

i think working 60+ hrs a week isnt like insane if its work you enjoy but theres a big difference between choosing to work a lot and being required to work a lot

tranquil wagon
#

Yeah I agree

strange trench
#

whats the standard procedure if your interviewer doesnt show up LOLL

#

ive been sitting in the JS zoom room for 16 minutes now i alr emailed the recruiter after like 7 minutes

tranquil wagon
strange trench
#

i alr sent an email

strange trench
#

nope

#

LOLL

#

chat did i get soft rejected

tranquil wagon
#

Nah they just suck

strange trench
#

ima wait like

#

3 more mins

#

and then im going back to sleep

#

wait this sucks esp since i have a deadline LOL

cold heart
north meadow
#

anyone have their r1 for de shaw prop trading intern?

opal bramble
#

what debugger do yall use?

quasi orbit
#

i write perfect code first try

#

and ship it into production

quasi orbit
#

pushed my first pr last night

opal bramble
#

everything is down 😢

empty jewel
opal bramble
#

based

wispy star
#

has anyone done the round 1 at citsec for qt?

dreamy temple
#

i've heard ctc doesn't have the best reputation among quant firms because it's very manual / discretionary, how true is this? i'm also wondering if a ctc swe internship would beat out a good tech internship (stripe, google) in terms of quant recruiting for next cycle (for swe/qd roles)?

empty jewel
#

hmm

#

it depends on your risk tolerance

#

i think ctc swe would be better for quant dev specifically

#

but i think google is ideal for swe, and also it wouldnt be hard to get quant dev from google as long as your project is okay imo

cold heart
#

dm me

icy portal
opal bramble
#

alright bro chill

opal bramble
#

real talk

pulsar scarab
#

does wolverine trading even hire if u are not from UMich

naive kettle
muted saddle
#

Yeah he should target Aquatic.

pulsar scarab
#

Why not

late wind
#

WE all want walleye

hexed obsidian
#

how much does jane street referral help for getting past resume

wind notch
#

and ik a few people who interned at CTC and were able to get optiver/citadel the year after

strange trench
#

has anyone done citsec QT superday?

dreamy temple
tranquil wagon
#

Honestly zon also prolly has better name value for trying to get into other quant firms lol

wide gazelle
#

anybody done cit swe oa for miami? what should i expect?

dreamy temple
#

how is optiver intern hourly > radix this year (according to levels)

radiant solar
#

what’s the diff between TDOE and SWE at Jane street?

dreamy temple
#

C comes before G in CFAANG

low vault
dreamy temple
#

ah checks out

low vault
#

(Though i dont think the salary calculations in levels seem completely accurate, and Optiver is still the highest paying overall of the ones listed if your normalize for internship length)

#

Also the roles are different

#

Also whoever posted the Radix salary did so last year

hexed obsidian
#

intern referral got me into the process

radiant solar
#

didn't know they had a podcast, will give it a listen! ty

knotty kelp
#

Has anyone done sales and trading with Goldman Sachs for OA?

mellow aurora
#

By chance is your name of European origin

mellow aurora
#

Kui tore :)

low vault
#

The tragedy of <every second generation immigrant>: when your parents don’t teach you their mother tongue

mellow aurora
#

Well they gave you quite a brain...

shut scroll
#

Oct 25th 3:52 pm EST

rare basin
#

^ thats when his interview ends

lime zealot
#

order book*

small bone
#

how cooked am i if no offer after 3 interviews during js onsite for swe intern

solar gazelle
small bone
#

hm, idk about this. they told me it would be three rounds for intern and 4 for ft

#

idk is a non immediate offer usually the case

lime zealot
#

like you're ghosted..?

small bone
#

no, i’ve heard rumors that if you get offer it’s on the same day

#

but other places say that you might get it a couple days later

#

idk who to believe

lime zealot
#

i dont think that's always the case. however, given that you didn't get offer same day, your probability of receiving an offer is lower

#

based on what ive seen

solar gazelle
coarse sand
#

does sig or imc blacklist

cursive latch
latent raven
#

Anyone received a response from Wells Fargo yet?

low vault
#

If you’re borderline you’ll get a 4th technical

small bone
#

thanks

#

gg ig 😭

frozen bolt
#

anyone heard back from peak6 for their summer trading bootcamp after the oa?

halcyon rover
#

What score on sig OA makes it to interview if anyone has an estimate

#

and how long did it take yall to get ur results/interview

#

for qt?

#

ggs

hallow sail
#

anyone ever used WallStreetQuants?

low vault
#

arent they a scam

solar gazelle
stiff egret
#

Anyone have tqd inv, asking for friend in arrowstreet, virtu, citadel processes

dreamy temple
#

is it worth putting in the time to set myself up for a +1 masters so i can do another intern recruiting cycle next year? how much harder is ng recruiting than intern for qd?

tranquil wagon
turbid mural
#

Yo what is Citadel NXT interview like

strange trench
hallow sail
# low vault arent they a scam

not sure that's what I'm tryna gauge. It seems fine, they have a bootcamp run by actual quants with interview questions, mock interviews, etc. seems decent

#

Does anyone know any other quant prep bootcamps/courses/things that are legit?

low vault
hallow sail
#

Why is your impression bad?

hallow sail
tranquil wagon
#

I’d be incredibly surprised if they teach a single thing that there isn’t a better alternative way to learn for free

latent raven
#

BofA quant analysis or BofA SWE?

#

I have to make the choice by 5 😔

#

Does anyone have any experience with the BofA quant analysis interviews?

hallow sail
winter flower
#

anyone know about the process for seven research qr?

tranquil wagon
#

Optiver

covert urchin
#

notified about round 1 on like first few days of sept, but scheduled for late sept

#

i had competing offer so they sped me up and i had my decision by early oct

muted saddle
#

Depends on if you like drinking

spare shard
#

Anyone here done a citadel trading super day?

coarse sand
strange trench
#

Not sure I got rejected from final round level

muted saddle
#

IMC in most cases. Work life balance is incredibly solid.

#

That’s every trading firm that isn’t boutique.

#

Or I guess Jane but Jane is only worthwhile if you are interested in using exclusively Ocaml since it shoots your flexibility in the foot.

solar gazelle
solar gazelle
azure zenith
azure zenith
light vector
#

Does anyone know good resources for cracking hft specific swe interviews

#

I can leetcode well but get skill issued by system design or the niche stuff they ask in the interviews

tranquil wagon
light vector
#

When i was interviewing for them at the start of the year i didnt

#

Now I have an OS (in progress) and db from scratch

tranquil wagon
# light vector I do have a few now

The “system design” quant firms ask new grads/interns are pretty chill and I think if you’ve worked on any sizable project they shouldn’t be an issue

light vector
#

Sometimes feel like im an idiot compared to the hrt js citsec interns who are very knowledgeable about a lot off differenet compsci knowledge

#

Trying to pinpoint what the diff between me and them is

tranquil wagon
#

They know more

#

You also can know more by reading more/taking more classes/doing more projects

dire finch
#

i know more

#

simply read

#

if you have 150 skill points in cs they have 250+

tranquil wagon
dire finch
#

get reallocating boy

tranquil wagon
dire finch
#

kind of fun

tranquil wagon
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Kind of?

dire finch
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they let me do fun stuff and feed me well

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just long hours

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Yeah that’s chill tho

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As long as ur enjoying it

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Are u paid hourly or prorated salary

dire finch
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prorated

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so no ot sadge

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Dang so not even getting ot 😔