#quants-n-traders
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why is it better than swe?
dyk how the qr part goes? like do u do research projects or is it mainly swe projects and just learning about qr stuff
QR usually requires PHD
so far my quant friends havent landed roles
a lot of them didnt get RO; the only one who did already did another quant internship before (and she didnt get an RO from that first one)
Why do people hate on akuna for swe? I just got approval request and was wondering if it’s worth considering over dbrx/ramp?
horrid pay compared to the rest
and firm is struggling
yo guys not sure if this is a right channel, but does anyone know about the process for jane street mle intern? online there is legit one pdf that is quite vague, there is unfortunately no mock video of an interview
for intern? idts
Also like ft are they 300-400+?
half that probably
anyone know what QSD process at SIG is like?
jane, imc, ctc, sig
Doesn’t citsec match u before u start
like a couple weeks before you start
i think gqs is better if u wanna be closer to research, otherwise citsec
ask them their thoughts on being banned in india
has anyone done the imc quant trading intern process?
anyone taken valkyrie trading OA for swe?
lol they just sent me that too
i got it for all the roles i applied to 😭
i think its auto
have you actually gotten the oa link yet or just the email saying it was gonna get sent?
nah i just got the emails saying they would be sent
i never got the actual coderbyte or wtv
did anyone give akuna vidcruiter interview assessment?
i just checked its an hour btw
I did a long time ago
what do they ask in that?
ithink some math questions?
Anyone knows what the HRT algo dev superday/onsite is like? Would appreciate some advice! Thanks!
Anyone done PDT ?
Maths questions in video interview?
What type of questions
are u in interview process rn
How long does it take to get matched to a cit team again?
Yes
Do forms actually blacklist. I’ve had a couple first rounds at places. Didn’t bomb them by any means. Solved questions just didn’t pass cuz didn’t answer follow-ups . Am I fucked for next year?
If so what firms blacklist?
Anyone know abt five rings sde process?
anyone know anything about radix c++?
I’m debating bc the comp isn’t QD level but hopes of laterally transitioning within HFT seems promising
😭
Idk I just don’t see as much about non QT/QD stuff at trading firms out there when there are other dev/enginers at these places
400 for SWE
In my experience if SWE is 400 I expect prod to be around 300
Maybe a bit more
Would u rather do a FAANG SWE role or this
that’s the real debate in my head
So you would do Meta over this ?
META/Google/DB/Snowflake
I don’t consider Amazon v good and Netflix hiring is not really doable
getting in anywhere isn't really happening these days
I like the luffy one the best
has anyone at cit gotten rejected post leadership but pre team match lmao
like isn’t it u get leadership request -> recruiter phone call -> team match?
how long does hrt get back to u after finals
did u get offer
ik some ppl getting rej same day or few days after
hmm i see
when did those ppl do their finals
like friday before i would assume right
☠️☠️
U get rejected same day during the super day if you’re rejected afaik
Happened to me
But also had a terrible last interviewer
oh i see
tyty
2s swe intern oa what to expect
What will they ask in Wells Fargo 2026 Summer Internship Quantitative Analytics Program (RADS Masters) interview
wait i dont see the application on their website
I know
r u joking
I thought 2sig swe opens super late tho
Has anyone gotten jump qr for next summer
They reach out to ppl first
Link isn’t public yet
Def not close to head count lol they’re juuuust starting
I already have accepted an offer at a top quant firm as a new grad swe but got reached out by a recruiter from a different top quant firm for an operations intern.
I'm not interested in the role but I haven't heard much about the company. I was thinking about asking the recruiter if they could meet for maybe 15 minutes to just tell me about the company culture and the type of work they have in case I ever want to move to a different company. It seems to me though that this would probably just be a waste of the recruiter's time and might be a bit rude. Would it be a bad idea to send such an email?
no it's fine
got it, thank you!
Any Quant co-ops that I can apply for right now and still have a chance of getting for Summer 2026?
just talk to them
do people here think coding jesus is kind of a clown? isn't it a bit scummy to just make a website and put it behind a paywall of stuff that he just stole from a textbook?
I don’t think it matters just speak to them.
Yeah he’s a clown
literally he just stole most of his questions on his website from this quant book
and put it behind a paywall
and makes hella money im guessing off his audience
Tbf his videos did help me with my processes, I would just watch them for fun on yt
However I still think everything he has in his course can be learnt for free
i mean i think his videos are interesting i think we should do stuff like them in this discord tbh
like mock interviews
that would be fun
yeah
the issue i have with him is he's a bit mean honestly like there's definitely people who are out there that can bully him
and his website is really dishonest
but there's definitely a lot of people who can embarass his knowledge and he can be a bit harsh on people who are just beginners or not really knowing much about CS
Damn
Pablo bear how’s the job hunting been
may have an interview that's literally a pulse check for decent 90k TC remote
i think too I can get higher TC maybe fast
but i've been learning a lot more stuff lately and trying to improve my knowledge a good bit
Just get multiple remote jobs and stack them
wrong channle
It’s just super pretentious I guess
Its like a diamond player in league
Smurfing against bronzes
And being like oh my god look how bad they are
And like getting an ego about it
Does anyone even watches his streams? I think he specifically shows only worst ones nd make sum general assumptions bout all new grads or swe
I like the ball flying game more
does anyone know anything about ctc swe intern technical interview?
Hey guys my friend who’s not on discord is currently with a quant/trading firm, the trader under whom he’s working deals in futures (idk really, acc to him, they buy certain stock or bonds and promise to reach that price, idk really) futures is the term he used. But his recruiters didn’t really give him any training whatsoever. He’s just free balling it with gpt so far. He knows the basic terms now about finances and other things.
But If there are better resources to learn from, it would be a great help.
That’s a lot of the other creators as well. I mean look at the Indian SWE market.
People are selling courses on interview prep saying that they worked at faang and dropped out, meanwhile it happens to be an internship that they did.
Futuresfirst, it’s an Indian firm. I may have explained that stuff wrong because I’m not a finance guy, just looking to help out my friend.
What irked me the most is that they gave him one day to learn the terms and from second day onwards they started giving him tasks, even tho he clearly mentioned in the tech interview that he is not very well versed with finances and that he only knows the basic.
Skull emoji
i've found a lot better resources for quant though i think
Most of the tech ytuber targets the student who just joined Clg and are looking to learn programming.
at first i thought he was cool and his knowledge was impressive, but as i've gained more knowledge myself they seem quite cringe
true but nobody says the turth that it's not just gonna be one resource that allows you to make it, you need a lot of knowledge from a lot of books, and a lot of time and energy over years and years
This, Rather than follow these courses, I studied from books and did question practice on lc, and with time I started learning more and more. And then started learning the algorithms.
This imo was a better approach than just watching through countless videos.
Anyways can someone help with this
its about quality of videos i think, the most i learned from was watching some competitive programmers solve problems because it shows me how they think and structure their code + organize it/order they do it.
and from just books you kind of miss out on these tricks, and it's about how engaged or active you're watching it
if you passively do anything in life the results will be likely worse than if you were being engaged
Has anyone done their interviews for Wells Fargo yet?
@astral lily
hes probably talking about wf quant not wf swe
It's weird, I never got an OA or anything from WF, just a teams link for an interview on Thursday.
anyone know about jump data engineer intern process
How are you so confident he has an ego? I've only watched a few of his vids such as which books to read or a live caller
Like he just needs to know what a future is? What training is he missing
Like the various algo needed in quant , what sort of problems arises and what he needs to do, how he should handle the programming aspect of it, stuff like that
That's not something you learn by watching videos
That's like CS fundamentals
You can watch David Gross' CppCon talk as a starting point
C++ has been one of the most popular programming languages for over 30 years. Developers use it for everything from building video games to coding operating systems. We just published a comprehensive 31-hour C++ course on the freeCodeCamp.org YouTube...
idk i haven’t rly used it
but heard it’s good
freecodecamp is good imo
have used them briefly
i rly enjoyed a channel called codebeauty, she’s got many playlists for c++ on yt
and i think i also used lowlevelprogramming on yt as a complement
tbh lemme send u a more detailed breakdown in a bit
on youtube (specific to c++):
- codebeauty
- low level
- bro code
- core dumped (for os related stuff)
good luck!
^^ bro trying to improve his chances by spamming the worst resources 😂
bruh i'm being deadass it helped me when i was learning cpp + i'm not even aiming for quant can u pbqt
💔 🥀
Core dumped is based
learncpp is not bad
just go thorugh this list tbh
if you complete this list you will learn a lot of good stuff
but if you wanna be a min maxer i think that one quant hft interview guide book is good, but my thoughts is you have to train for a while to be a competitive applicant
Anyone interview Optiver swe
anyone knows what to expect in akuna qr technical screen?
anyone heard somethig about nova prospect, are they any good?
My impression is that he’s pretty experienced but talks way too much smack
I just rly dislike ppl that make their personality egoing on beginners or whatever
does anyone know if citadel accept relocation? like US to UK?
i heard they give a non compete
and taking a non compete for cci, is kinda ridiculous imo
whats the fastest way to learn cpp
specifically for interviews not for production level programming
codebeauty yt channel spam watch and follow her in-video examples
is there a discord gc for jane street interns (currenlty in loop)? has anyone did recently interviews with JS for swe internship? pls DM me
yo im in the process for the commodities shops like shell and BP do yall have any insgiht on prestige and if it has any weight for other trading pipelines to different firms. Idk if i should take my normal swe offer or commodities route
We are not reading allat
His firm is easy to find though
Just ask @lunar thicket
i dont rly have an order tbh
u should ask ur friend : )
for swe
ive talked to enough people to get the sense that it's really way more about what you bring to the table after starting than anything else
you can succeed in any good firm where you can fit in with the culture
so it's really more about fit
on god no pls
again it really depends on your output within the firm lol
the actual process is something like
- get your first offer, then search for firms that are ~= or >= your current TC
- evaluate culture fit at each firm and jump to the higher TC if the culture fits well and the other factors are good

i dont condone impersonation on interviews
for NG dyt recurring or whole TC
for swe I haven't seen any recurring above 500 (or 460 for initial offer)
mmm
I mean the upside is like you get an extra 100k that you can invest in the S&P500 immediately or whatever
otherwise i dont relaly think it matters
if ur looking for long-term expected TC it would be moreso culture, growth opportunities, etc. no?
mans at the max growth firm rn
🤩
yall are so babie

LOL
tyyy 
☝️🥺☝️ andrew bb ur in the sexiest pod rn
why is tower so slow with their process
anyone did the hrt algo dev onsite? can i dm you? thanks in advance!
Which firms give the highest NG SWE comps? heard jane street is 650?
Cit is 550
Optiver is 450 -> then marbles?
does marble system outscale for long term?
so cracked..
These numbers are a bit off
i mean it can be kinda unbounded if u have competing. I heard cit can go to like 900 lol
JS gave a range this year i think
Cit not paying 900 for swe
QR or QT maybe
Cit swe caps out though, not sure what cap is for this year though
Kind of sucks for all new grads from last year because all ranges are much higher
is citsec diff
Cit sec is diff but generally they follow similar pays
They COULD do whatever they want though I think
recurring isn't that much diff tho
mostly fat ass signing bonuses
Nah recurring went up
400-->450?
Js $300 base and I think higher recurring bonus by like $50-100k
I mean even a $100k total recurring jump is still like 1/4 increase
Pretty insane
Nah $250 base and I believe $100k bonus + $50k sign on bonus iirc
Or maybe $150k bonus recurring not $100k
oh what
But for sure the base increased $50k and I am 80% sure the bonus did as well
Expect like $400k
I think JS is like 300/150/250 rn
Yeah but expect higher this year
true
i heard cubist didn't do so well this year tho

Yeah but even if true, the $250 like you said you can easily negotiate into the recurring bonus $50k
If u can bring $50k recurring bonus
That’s $100k jump from last year
mmm\
true
from the ppl ive talked to tho negotiating recurring bonus doesn't really matter
cos like after Y1 it's gonna be based on performance anyway
Yeah this is generally true
you get stronger signal from what they offer initially
But also it depends on firm size
and if you can get salary progression numbers
And your position in firm
hmm how does that get taken into account?
though it's possible they just guess wrong and raise everyone
there's also like internal firm politics (e.g. how much of the performance pool is given to ICs as a bonus)
but this is really hard to quantify
I heard HRT has had some political issues i nthe past few years
and I can't imagine a firm as large as JS not having politics either
oh interesting
i didn't rly notice that w them
they seemed pretty chill
oh interesting
why did they do it
on god
11-12
diabolical
I thought HRT was like 45h/wk avg lol
yeah probably
i heard that there's some teams that are really bad, most are alright
hi gang I’m back, whats volobridge quant dev like & have any y’all gone thru the process? Can dm
has anyone done akuna vidcruiter for junior qd ? any info would be appreciated 🙏
has anyone done first round for chicago trading company trading associate? pls dm
100
what do i need to pass interviews does this even matter
dev or qt
qt
o nvm
No
120+
Anyone know anything about walleye volatility trading solutions team
LOL HI
does anyone know anything about the ctc swe intern tech interview?
Do qf apps at banks open up at different time of year than other qt/qr roles?
Ik banking opens up in december, im not sure if qf also does then or rather in the summer like most prop firms and wtv else
isnt zetamac only for trader or needed for dev role too?
tbf thats part of the point
like 60
ppl who are saying 100 are capping
beyon like 60-70 it’s waste of time
if you’re strictly optimizing for interviews
nah there are definitely people hitting 100+ legit lol, watched my boy take ts...
nah 100 is lowkey slow
how bad is it to renege on an new grad offer?
i see quite a lot of recruiters moving around companies within quant so i was wondering if that would trigger a blacklist
i never denied that
the question was what do u need
mb misread, thought it was people who say they score 100 are capping
below 120 is ngmi sorry
Fiwry is not here
hrt hasnt gotten back to me a week+ after final is it doomed
yes
its just how much u do it tbh
u just memorize the answers after a while
good morning goat
hello
kinda late but can I dm?
Why are u still here lol
Smurfing on these kids
Ok you're not going to study
So just go to sleep
Do you even need to graduate
Like what if you just drop out
Exactly so why don't u
Why does your mom care
She ain't got a dog in the race
And now you work in homeless people murder corporation
Sad!
Do u have any idea
Like actually any idea
I can't be the one to say it
But ask Andrew what really runs in his veins
damn rift still active what you up to?
How bad is it to renege a mid tier quant firm (eg ctc, akuna) ? Also how do their RO’s generally look like?
Also would appreciate yalls advice : https://discord.com/channels/698366411864670250/1425869834742399197🙏
did they give you a schedule? i did qr onsite but i think the "quant interviews" should be similar
akuna rescinds offers
RO is dogwater
akuna is like amazon tier lmao
💀
mods
If I don't get the Second round WF quant interview im genuinely going to stick a .22 in my mouth
youre so tuff
citadel does, i know
water type trading company... orz
hey i heard people say if you dont hear back the next day after interviewing with citsec it generally means you dont pass
wondering how true this is, had my r1 qt with citsec yesterday
I need some advice on my quant strat Goldman Sachs superday. Any help will be valuable
does anyone know arrowstreet capital SWE RO rate?
anyone have done arrowstreet?/
does BAM do off season
Any insights on xtx markets interviews
Does anyone know if akuna uses the same problem set for final onsite for swe intern?
should u mention faang final rounds/offers to quant companies to speed up proc
or not worth it
Sure
Anyone knows about five rings QT r1 that i can dm? Thanks in advance!
william y u playing
what questions does Citadel NXT ask?
does anyone have any info for what kind of questions/process they may have for an fpga role?
in particular for jane street but any advice in general would be appreciated
Optiver
I believe blander technologies, llc does virtual onsite for interns. Also any firm will let u do VO if u have a good reason (such as headlands )
Has anyone been reached out to by Point72? What's the OA like?: We received your resume recently and our Central Research Technology team is interested in your background for a quant development internship next summer. As the first step, we’d like for you to work on a HackerRank test.
Also, how long for optiver behavioral feedback usually? Took it today, might be cooked though 😭
Mmmm AFAIK I was interviewing for both still at the time. My reason was that I had a deadline in a week so I think they accelerated the process for me
Yeah had a mix of both
But I did call w issac after so the sorting hat picked platform anyway…
trading?
either way, ull usually hear back in a week at most i think?
yeah
like after the onsite
i wasn't even expecting such a round tbh
so i didn't allocate time for it
headlands process so long...
1 tech phone + 1 behav phone + 6 onsite + 1 hm 😭
has anyone interviewed for this arrowstreet quant finance symposium
what does it cover
if i am using a competing offer to expedite an interview process and they ask for comp, should I disclose if I know for certain its lower than what the interviewing company typically pays?
ah icic
depends, do you have a deadline?
Can anyone answer
anyone know how many technical rounds headlands has before the final? — for swe
anyone know if sig qt oa is auto?
any info on sig linux engineer intern process?
yeah but also i wanna expedite since im scared of the other firms getting headcount
perhaps im disproportionately scared of this since i alr had a superday cancelled on me this cycle due to them hitting hc
is citsec onsite final round in person for new grad swe
ah fair enough
i mean i might just follow up and see what they say w/o mentioning deadline
u could lie abt deadline
up to u tho
like w anything thats false u might get caught and that would put u in a bad light
How can they know if u lied about deadline?
only if you tell them contradicting information
gl!!
Don’t do this
This is purely negative ev
If a company wants you then it doesn’t matter what ur other processes are
mm fair
i mean u should def give deadline if u have a real deadline
just to prevent reging
anyone know what min sig qt oa score is to get phone?
Anyone done IMC Quant trading online assessment before?
anyone in five rings process for qd? Please dm
Who in eqr process
grats on harvard
bb why do arrowstreet when u can shoot an arrow through my street 😳
Bro 💀
Ur better than this
Anyone know what js asks in r1? i just got an invite to qt intern r1
if you know coin flip EV you should be fine
they also ask about resume
Think it goes a bit deeper than this
how much deeper?
what about a dice roll ev?? or is that the final
i think they ask two sum in the final
dice roll ev def in one of the first 3 rounds tho
Unironically true
it is just coin flips but its not necessarily just EV, study markov chains n other shi
is green book enough?
Well u dont necessarily need all of it but yeah
Asusming u also have some baseline level of coding (like LC easy)
yea i have that
i mean wait why would coding even matter for a qt interview
oh gotchu
Jane street asked me about the lettuce eating contest i winner i put on my resume
just had r2 today
How long do i have to wait after Akuna final for SWE Intern?
If I’ve received a standard SWE role at a bank (a 2 year new grad program with an automated promotion cycle at the end), how can I best position myself for potential quant-ish roles at said bank? Any advice from people in the process/have been through this process?
Like internal pivoting
maybe? they waited lowkey hella long after my oa to give me r1
anyone have alpha on js r3? the email said smth about games and such
how long after sig qt hr call do we expect to hear back? ive seen people hearing back within hours but that was earlier in the cycle
ahh yeah dude its like market making and estimation and playing games step by step
you’ll have to make imperfect decisions quickly rather than just analytically calculate probabilities
quantguide is pretty good
Thanks bro
Anyone do arrowstreet qd proc?
Dude whatever someone will give me I’m just asking for advice on how to train
I’m not pressed about like QT or QD
Or QR
They’re all fucking moonshots
Unless th training regimens are widely different
Hm
Bro I like don’t do PC
LC
not that I think I’d be stupid at it
But I like gotta grind starting now
Oh my god there’s a quant disc j like this?
can someone slid me inv too
also has anyone done sig qsd interviews is it diff from swe?
how stressful is swe at imc
what languages do you work with?
i thought he was referring to the actualy job
not the interview
?
?
my other friend @ citsec works 70+ hr weeks to
?
168 hr in a week btw
know people that work 100 he a week
?
this guy probs don’t even use c++ smh
ok not 100 but like 70+
did you get that
oh i thought we were talking about about citsec now
sure but i think many weeks you can push 70
ye i’ll agree i was just lowering the app pool
whatever it takes bro
idk
not the point, i already said i was trolling
Do people not get pipped
how do you feel about C++ 26 new feature?
Which
template for & reflection
Template for unambiguously awesome, reflection is very powerful but the syntax is ghastly
ong bro i don’t wanna right ^^T
This is a dodge lol, different companies have very different cultures around it
Some places ur worries for your job day to day
are you in college?
Yeah
nice
i’m debating just applying for swe instead of intern when i tern 18
just turned 16
dw bro i got this
i’m cracked trust
you also need std::nonstatic_datamrmbers_of(^^T, std::access_current::Current())
as of the most recent std change
wait
meta::
cause they don’t really know how to code
i keep asking ivy people C++ and they don’t know any new things
they are not “ahead of thr e curve”
i think if you know the languages features in depth, and are be able to implement them yourself, in depth, you can do it
he’s bad icl, surface level knowledge
when compared to some of the devs you meet
gng go to my github
i’m gonna leave tho
nice talking to you!
Saying c++ language knowledge is irrelevant then saying usaco is more important is funny lol
How do u even know abt trading firms in high school bro touch grass
For me language knowledge has been much more important, i can barely do leetcode hards
Oh I thought u were talking about job applications
What has the world come to
Yeah thinking you can get hired at a trading firm out of high school without being a prodigy is wild work
Maybe if he is a lettuce eating contest winner then he has a shot
Hs freshmen is no life ngl
I wouldn’t call it slop, it seems good for learning as a high schooler, but yeah it’s not gonna get him a job at 18
I think it’s a bit discouraging to call them that, it’s way better than what most high schoolers have done and if he pushes them a bit deeper to be more interesting i think after a few years at college he’ll have a good shot of getting a job he wants
Yeah an ego check is good for everyone once in a while
The whole concept of high schoolers that want to work in quant is a little cringe tho icl
why so
Idk honestly just gives me the ick
It’s lit arrogance
Nah ur advice was good I think just overly harsh imo
Most teens w/ similar ambitions are gonna be pretty arrogant i think
Yeah u can’t be saying look at my GitHub until AT LEAST 10k stars on an orz repo
Most kids at my HS who went to MIT, caltech, Stanford, the really elite schools regularly stayed silent about accomplishments and showed talent through real stuff
I don’t think this is necessarily true, you can be cracked and ambitious with a humble chill personality
Next resume post when🥀
what is happening
Is that when you try and make elons salary a billion dollars by putting it all on black
anyone aware about SIG Quant Researcher Intern hiring process?
Yeah like if ur trading crude at a trading firm ur coutnerparty could be an airline or smth
i do have open source commit
i worked on as a core dev for hvm for a while
nah its over icl, thats why i spend all day writting haskell in class and i ended up failing like 12 classes except math and programming
i worked on this project https://github.com/HigherOrderCO/HVM3
which is the v2 of this one https://github.com/HigherOrderCO/HVM
ye no chance icl
ill end up graduating hs as a junior going to cc then transfering
and when i say i failed classes i mean like B+
so its over
im usaco platinum, hackathon winner (ik its pointless) all i do is code 4-6 hours a day
and im speaking at a few conferences later this year
but besides that its over, my mentor went to non target got into citsec
i believe in myself thats all
ITS ALREADY OVER BRO?
i hope
a few startups already asked me to join
but i dont think i should do that
also, what do you know about this?
no chance gng ive wanted quan dev t for like 4 years now, all i think about is programming
FT?
oh
^ W advice
but what if I will never change course
, ml /= ai
yeah, what about it?
even when firms are confident, they manage tail risk so conviction dont turn to ruin
ye but i wont get into a good one
so ill just transfer to like ucla or ucb
where did you go to college? t20?
ye its over
i have a meta interview for r2 next week
i got my cluely offer but i aint into that startup slop
we will see, i hope its a knowlege round and i dont have to do more leetcode
ye, doesnt mean i like leetcode
just your good /= its fun
i dont like cp, it was more like i was forced to do it
Bro wants a fun interview experience im dead
fun interview would be like knowege round or system design
leetcode is just boring icl
I really dont know how u say that and are usaco plat
gng usaco plat was not hard
the worst it gets is like stiener tree problems
So ur saying LC is boring cuz its easy?
Everyone is gold nowadays, im gold too
nah gng gold is before plat
?
bronze < silver < gold < plat are we deadass rn
although you are right there is a huge difference between gold and plat
very different skill level iwl
what's the diff between time limit for java and c++ for usaco open contests respond in 2 seconds
ok yeah seems legit
not always tfrue
that is true, but if you are gold going for plat
you end up solving gold - low plat level
my usaco gold is meaningless nowadays bc of all the new age cohorts cheating
i know someone doing swe intern there i doubt it
this,
tho they are female so maybe diff
i know somew who never did cf or cp and is working @ citsec form non-target
and he was hired @ jump @ 19
no he was working @ jump crypto under kanav before kanav left
? bro i only know 1
?
how was your knowlege of distributed systems before you become quant dev
Guys what is p(ft qt role at any firm >= flow traders, geneva or wolverine or smth|citsec/js/hrt/radix qt intern)
depends on how good you are, if your top of the intern pool i would say 90%+
its really up to you tho
let's say avg intern, so they'd also expect ro rate of maybe 50%
but what do i know im just a illiterate, dumb high schooler who is completly naïve and incompetent
oh ok then go do ur ap calc hw and enjoy life
no im in multi
maybe 70-80%
~80% bro stop warring about the numbers and go read https://people.freebsd.org/~lstewart/articles/cpumemory.pdf
or https://unidel.edu.ng/focelibrary/books/Designing%20Data-Intensive%20Applications%20The%20Big%20Ideas%20Behind%20Reliable,%20Scalable,%20and%20Maintainable%20Systems%20by%20Martin%20Kleppmann%20(z-lib.org).pdf
or https://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~akroit/math/compsci/Cormen%20Introduction%20to%20Algorithms.pdf
or https://cdn.bookey.app/files/pdf/book/en/database-internals.pdf
yes i studied this 4 years ago when i was a high schooler
bro why are u in this server stressing lol
yes very good beginner book
god i wish i was tought this officialy, i have to learn all by myself or go the the cc near by
no i self studied the asian edition because the asian editions are cheaper
its free?
what high school teaches ds&a lmao aside from some bougie bay area schools
true true true
back in my day we had things called textbooks
? its free tho? was this liek 25 years ago?
it was free sense its inception
pirating
i liked the textbook idk
maybe i have no idea
understandable
the more time you put into something the better you will become s
so if im constantly thinking about solving problems and programming i will become a better developer
or maybe im just tripping idk
ye ye i once built a compiler in XML
💀 larping usaco on discord is crazy work
Yeah that’s an unrecoverable aura loss
I’d just delete my discord account and start over at that point
tbh i think its fine. hf is being arbed out quickly these days anyway, ive heard that all the hfts are moving into mf. Just do well at your job and look for interesting projects/opportunities and if that requires c++ im p sure u can pick it up really quickly if u got an offer from hrt
Yeah u don’t need any specific cf ranking for JS lol
Gender notwithstanding
HOLY MOLY CANADA MENTIONED
hey, i have a python interview ocming up for hrt, can i DM?
have u ever done a usaco plat problem from the past 5 years?
i agree using competitive programming knowledge for job hiring is to some degree questionable albeit it is perhaps reasonable for quant trader, wot else is relevant besides writing some crypto arbitrages
if you are still in high school consider a more interesting life path than quant 🤡
i only join this server to waste time
what is larping
i just wanna be a quant, is there really that much of a problem with that
Tbh i think it’s a pretty good metric
Obviously it’s gonna be inaccurate if you game it
But that’s true with basically any metric
So relative to other metrics it can be pretty good (i guess one reason is that it’s pretty normalized/quantitative and demonstrates effort over a longer period of time)
i think competancy to implement a prompt is important, and some thinking on implementation tradeoffs is useful
i think navigating large codebase is also as useful and not tested
wot u can test in an hour is limitted, but i'd probably design more like ur given small repo and implement feature in it
Oh yeah that’s probably quite good
I mean contest definitely tests the former very heavily
I guess in terms of implementation tradeoff not really
Actually i think you do get tested that on implementation problems
i mostly mean this statement in terms of the current status of lc interviews
Like very ECNA style lolol
(with tradeoff meaning complexity, tho "real-world" tradeoffs would be more relevant to discuss)
Fair enough
(Yeah but there’s a lot of other trade offs that are relevant right)
Ditto
I think CP is probably more useful as a resume screen indicator (eg which candidates to select to maximize P(pass interview))
Why not for SWE
I feel like this is much more useful for SWE lol
Huh interesting
I wouldn’t make that assumption honestly
I feel like it’s possible if u don’t have that much intern experience that you could pass based on brute force alone
And not actually know how to navigate a code base
Personally I think CP is a positive signal for being a good SWE but that’s just my personal experience
If you don’t actually seriously pursue SWE as a career option you’ll be bad at engineering no matter how high ur codeforces is
<insert obama giving medal>
LOL
Mmm I can see that
I think that’s probably optimal
I think CP is nice mainly because it gives you something concrete to focus on
The gamification aspect helped me a ton
Idk I find it hard to focus on projects without much direction / measurability
~~maybe that’s why I’m doing quant 💀 ~~
Yeah
i think having metrics is usually good
I think it really depends on how much you lean into it
whether arbitrary metric analysis is gamification ig can be for debate
Most competitive programmers retire eventually and end up pursuing something else
Unsurprisingly competition winning is not a viable career path
career path is a competition tho
And that mitigates the gamification issue I think
Eh depends on how you view it
A lot of the ppl I talk to aren’t really that competitive w jobs
If your fundamentals are strong enough you don’t really need to focus on climbing the ladder and just do what you enjoy
there is no reason you can't make good metrics
Tbf you need a metric always to an extent, or at least some concrete goals
You have to be able to size your tasks
Into uhh
Measurable goals
compprog, lc, putnam, etc. are just a niche task for a metric
but things like how many people your projects reach, how many people you can get to contribute with you, etc. are also quantifiable metrics that directly relate to what you'd want in some real world swe environments
Arguably this is the gap that CPers miss out in training, but my argument is that you build enough fundamentals that you can focus on the “higher level” skills instead of worrying about fundamental technical ability
idk if self contained algos is the only "fundamental technical ability"
Mostly implementation ability
And edge cases/debugging
but most people just don't know how to solve problems at all without following a tutorial thanks to failings of k-12 system
so cpers (are one class of people) have an edge on this
Idk I feel like I got kinda cooked by being washed at math this summer (despite getting RO)
Which CP selects for pretty heavily (I just haven’t seriously practiced in years)
What math particularly?
Stat fundamentals
Yeah I think this is the optimal approach
IMO I’m not too worried about whether the optimal approach is taken or not, at the end of the day if you’re always trying to learn and improve that’s what matters : )
for swe? or did you do qr stuff too
Uhh we also did QR stuff but it was interning for FT SWE yes
ah
I think this is kinda circular since you realised ur not good enough in math to do something, then u became better at math nd did that thing. Either way you train
🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏
i think just this abstract concept is in general is useful for swe, for cpers this is mostly how you learn to do algo problems (try to do problems, learn the pre-reqs). just getting exposure to this mindset in general is the fundamentals to me
Though I’d probably just do a stat course at that point too
I feel like the easiest way to “consume” stat knowledge is probably to do it in school
The specifics aren’t really important
But you build the fundamental skills
Thats true. I think w classes lots of people usually never see connection between concepts and why u learn them
Classes give u more broader knowledge i guess, so as long as u find its applications, u should be still good
the latter bcz graduate math is useless so u can't use in real world 😭
I think max value of classes comes from if you just like doing classes for the sake of doing classes
Then you learn a lot of ideas that you’re bound to find some application in the future
At least that’s how I view math -> QD/QR roles
strongly agree as general direction of learning (tho more abstract math is pretty notation/terminology heavy which makes kinda annoying)
Tbh i think classes are really enjoyable, if u dc bout ur grades lol
Yeah
Or if there’s a fat curve 
tbh if i would be rich asf, i would just have like 10 degrees to go to classes nd learn interesting stuff without worrying bout usage of it😭😭
if i was rich asf u'd never catch me going to class well i don't now anyway
idk how ppl think it's fun
rather just do things myself
I’m mostly in school for the assignments LOL
And the professor yap
I like yapping
Seems legit
i think it's strictly more satisfying figuring things out yourself
Classes r structured nd u basically dont need to search google if u have questions since u can ask prof right away (as long as ur prof is good lol)
Oh yeah I was lol
But I feel like knowing how to do code is more important for cpp idk
Its still mostly searching for material
anyone know what i could be asked during second round of interviews for millennium qd intern?
i have absolutely no clue and they don’t give any idea
there are levels to how much is yourself vs resources, but i think in general i enjoy the closer it is to just experimenting and figure things out
Hey man huge congrats tho still 😄
eh most of the upper courses are only past couple 100 years, you can a rederive a lot more when you have hints of what metrics to strive for and what is possible
Is it possible to get QT new grad roles, if you don't have prior quant internship experience ?
I’d say that’s pretty unlikely but maybe possible
i signed for FT for swe. Was at a different firm this summer. not as good as IMC, but they did offer more money lol. just hoping i made the right decision. I'm just worried about bonuses. from what i've read online, it seems almost random
i was just ragebaiting, @primal shell knows more
ah word
i know qt is brutal for IMC
but i think its chill in terms of hours. like 60-70 a week
if even that
i took imc
i rejected a different firm
bro im sorry, please stop calling me a larper, i dont even know what that means..
i was being nice and redirecting bro...
That’s not what I’d describe as chill
Even for this industry
I’d say chill is up to 50 hr/week lol
Past 60 is pretty intense
yeah def agree, ifl a lot of ppl underestimate what hours are like
Yeah esp hours where ur locked in
60 is bad lol that's like 5 grueling days or 6 long ones
how many ppl here have actually worked 60 hrs a week for more than like 3 months
Probably not many seeing as most people here are in college lol
But yeah I’d be very hesitant before accepting a role that expects 60+ hours
i think working 60+ hrs a week isnt like insane if its work you enjoy but theres a big difference between choosing to work a lot and being required to work a lot
Yeah I agree
whats the standard procedure if your interviewer doesnt show up LOLL
ive been sitting in the JS zoom room for 16 minutes now i alr emailed the recruiter after like 7 minutes
I’d wait for 15 minutes then send an email
i alr sent an email
They haven’t responded?
Nah they just suck
ima wait like
3 more mins
and then im going back to sleep
wait this sucks esp since i have a deadline LOL
I honestly think it’s fine if you enjoy the work you do and it’s fulfilling. I did anywhere from 40-90 hours / week this summer. It was fine
anyone have their r1 for de shaw prop trading intern?
what debugger do yall use?
i dont debug
i write perfect code first try
and ship it into production
i work at aws btw
pushed my first pr last night
larper means faker (LARP is live-action roleplay i think)
based
has anyone done the round 1 at citsec for qt?
i've heard ctc doesn't have the best reputation among quant firms because it's very manual / discretionary, how true is this? i'm also wondering if a ctc swe internship would beat out a good tech internship (stripe, google) in terms of quant recruiting for next cycle (for swe/qd roles)?
its not too bad actually
hmm
it depends on your risk tolerance
i think ctc swe would be better for quant dev specifically
but i think google is ideal for swe, and also it wouldnt be hard to get quant dev from google as long as your project is okay imo
I did swe internship at ctc
dm me
Ctc doesn't have the best reputation because they don't make money 😂
alright bro chill
real talk
does wolverine trading even hire if u are not from UMich
Hey guys would appreciate some thoughts on this
https://discord.com/channels/698366411864670250/1430286886420746262
Yeah he should target Aquatic.
Why not
WE all want walleye
how much does jane street referral help for getting past resume
they have a growing quant division from what I understand
and ik a few people who interned at CTC and were able to get optiver/citadel the year after
has anyone done citsec QT superday?
intern referral got me into the process within a day of being referred for swe
Honestly zon also prolly has better name value for trying to get into other quant firms lol
anybody done cit swe oa for miami? what should i expect?
how is optiver intern hourly > radix this year (according to levels)
what’s the diff between TDOE and SWE at Jane street?
C comes before G in CFAANG
Radix is 200 this yr 🙂
ah checks out
(Though i dont think the salary calculations in levels seem completely accurate, and Optiver is still the highest paying overall of the ones listed if your normalize for internship length)
Also the roles are different
Also whoever posted the Radix salary did so last year
intern referral got me into the process
didn't know they had a podcast, will give it a listen! ty
Has anyone done sales and trading with Goldman Sachs for OA?
By chance is your name of European origin
Kui tore :)
The tragedy of <every second generation immigrant>: when your parents don’t teach you their mother tongue
Well they gave you quite a brain...
Oct 25th 3:52 pm EST
^ thats when his interview ends
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how cooked am i if no offer after 3 interviews during js onsite for swe intern
sometimes if you're really really good they'll give you an offer after 3 interviews
but most of the time it means you're cooked
hm, idk about this. they told me it would be three rounds for intern and 4 for ft
idk is a non immediate offer usually the case
what does this even mean
like you're ghosted..?
no, i’ve heard rumors that if you get offer it’s on the same day
but other places say that you might get it a couple days later
idk who to believe
i dont think that's always the case. however, given that you didn't get offer same day, your probability of receiving an offer is lower
based on what ive seen
oh huh maybe swe is different?
but i know thats how it works for qt intern
does sig or imc blacklist
I’ve heard up to 2 days
Anyone received a response from Wells Fargo yet?
Usually offers are same day but it’s not always
If you’re borderline you’ll get a 4th technical
anyone heard back from peak6 for their summer trading bootcamp after the oa?
What score on sig OA makes it to interview if anyone has an estimate
and how long did it take yall to get ur results/interview
for qt?
ggs
anyone ever used WallStreetQuants?
arent they a scam
for qt you need a full score, took me a bit more than a week
Anyone have tqd inv, asking for friend in arrowstreet, virtu, citadel processes
is it worth putting in the time to set myself up for a +1 masters so i can do another intern recruiting cycle next year? how much harder is ng recruiting than intern for qd?
I saw a quant firm tier list from them once I think that put 2sig above tgs
So true bestie
Yo what is Citadel NXT interview like
Sig does if u get far enough
not sure that's what I'm tryna gauge. It seems fine, they have a bootcamp run by actual quants with interview questions, mock interviews, etc. seems decent
Does anyone know any other quant prep bootcamps/courses/things that are legit?
I don’t have a good impression of them but as long as they aren’t taking your money/PII it’s probably fine
Why is your impression bad?
atm I am just attending their free stuff to see what they're about/if they're a scam
There are almost certainly higher quality free resources online to learn everything they teach and more
I’d be incredibly surprised if they teach a single thing that there isn’t a better alternative way to learn for free
BofA quant analysis or BofA SWE?
I have to make the choice by 5 😔
Does anyone have any experience with the BofA quant analysis interviews?
I see, that's good to know thanks! Do you know of any good free resources? I've seen a couple like QuantGuide
anyone know about the process for seven research qr?
Optiver
took OA early aug, i think prob got 15-16/17 on it
notified about round 1 on like first few days of sept, but scheduled for late sept
i had competing offer so they sped me up and i had my decision by early oct
Depends on if you like drinking
Anyone here done a citadel trading super day?
Like final round level? And is that only if you get rejected as opposed to withdrawing, and is it a cooldown for just that cycle or a blacklist for a few yrs
Not sure I got rejected from final round level
IMC in most cases. Work life balance is incredibly solid.
That’s every trading firm that isn’t boutique.
Or I guess Jane but Jane is only worthwhile if you are interested in using exclusively Ocaml since it shoots your flexibility in the foot.
really? i thought it was all python/c++
honestly they did a really good job speeding my offer up
they booked my flight three hours before its departure time if i hadn't gotten up early to see if they'd sent me an email i woulda been cooked 😭 😭
eh I would say more cpp/python than java
I’d argue at some point you should just be focusing on skills entirely independent of the tools you’re using, the only exceptions being if you’re targeting more niche/specialised roles (eg low latency cpp)
Does anyone know good resources for cracking hft specific swe interviews
I can leetcode well but get skill issued by system design or the niche stuff they ask in the interviews
Do you not work on many projects
I do have a few now
When i was interviewing for them at the start of the year i didnt
Now I have an OS (in progress) and db from scratch
The “system design” quant firms ask new grads/interns are pretty chill and I think if you’ve worked on any sizable project they shouldn’t be an issue
Sometimes feel like im an idiot compared to the hrt js citsec interns who are very knowledgeable about a lot off differenet compsci knowledge
Trying to pinpoint what the diff between me and them is
I think you literally just pinpointed it
They know more
You also can know more by reading more/taking more classes/doing more projects
Ur simply built diff
get reallocating boy
How’s startup land
kind of fun
Kind of?
Yeah that’s chill tho
As long as ur enjoying it
Are u paid hourly or prorated salary
Dang so not even getting ot 😔

