quants-n-traders

[rose holly]

i think theyre pretty big in uk

im us based though

[autumn remnant]

Boys citadel wouldn’t even give me an interview

I think it’s definitely referral based only

Congrats then bro

U went to an Ivy ?

[acoustic tendon]

i didnt have a referral either

no faang or any good experience either

yes most ppl ik who got phone had perfect score

[vocal drift]

i got 8/15 on one 💀

[acoustic tendon]

💀

[stoic wigeon]

anyone have tips for drw qt oa?

[acoustic tendon]

it could i think ik someone

who reapplied

and made it work

yep this summer

im pre sure he applied from different email and it worked

for him

i have no idea ngl

[white wave]

does anyone know anything about linden shore?

[thorn trench]

anyone done the citsec qt phone?

[fresh swallow]

clown company

their head of HR is some girl who's like 25

sent me a take-home, completed it and threw in a bunch of optimization shit for fun cause it was so easy. Waited 2 weeks, they then said "feedback is good, there's another team we think you could be a good fit for, do this take-home"

did it, nothing, weeks later they ask me if I'm interested in a different position

like No thank you

[leaden panther]

How is Jane street phone?

Js pay is crazy

Idk how they can even pay that much

[fossil willow]

I heard they make more money than they pay out

No one reports anything above ng for quant on levels

[leaden panther]

No way

It’s 250 I thought

Oh

250 by itself is crazy

[fossil willow]

There's no way they're that low 💀

[leaden panther]

Would it be unprofessional to email jump recruiter I was in process with last cycle for an interview?

[fossil willow]

Might as well as grind 2 years at any fast promoting tech company

I'm skeptical about how true this is

Ppl seem to overstate how much of swe work at quants is low lat

You can also very easily be pigeonholed at zon

What's ur zon team?

[zenith panther]

u wont want to when ur 40

[fresh swallow]

this is something I wish I understood when I got into this

I'd say at the most HFT-focused shops, maybe 25% of swe will be doing actual low latency work

plenty of more mid and low frequency focused firms where that number is significantly lower

most true hot-path HFT strats are going to be on an FPGA these days

[queen sorrel]

I’m not sure if they still do this but I’ve heard it’s implement as much of Tetris as you can

[stone sonnet]

Hey guys! Are there any quantitative developers here? May I know if there are some websites or npo websites offering free courses or bootcamp in quantitative development?

[queen pendant]

Try this guide, all the major firms use it in their classes: https://medium.com/@thomvanoorschot94/creating-a-visualised-algorithmic-crypto-stock-trading-bot-with-net-core-and-react-js-1-2-8778bb92373d

[dire arrow]

evil bro

[royal forge]

The advice they post online is good

the mock video and blogs

[unreal swift]

is sig qt oa auto

[coarse blaze]

yes

but they send it in batches

[fresh swallow]

what's a good resource for learning lock-free queue implementation

like an actual one that uses a ring buffer and memory fences properly

[sleek herald]

several firms have asics now

(or are in the process of developing them)

[plucky verge]

anyone got advice for cit qr technical phone?

[low vault]

has anyone done P72 central research team OA? Looks like most of the questions are conceptual/not coding ... 🤨

I told them to give the OA "anytime" since I thought it would just be LC... but seeing that it's much different I'm thinking of telling them that I might want the OA later...

[hybrid hamlet]

anyone interview for sig or flow

[tough hatch]

anyone got tips for optiver swe technical (1st round)?

[brisk ingot]

p sure trading still happens on fpgas

asics just assist in certain areas

[lavish marten]

anyone make it past phone in drw swe process?

[white wave]

^

[lavish swift]

does anyone have any exp w/ the SIG phone for QT?

[stone cipher]

Get the questions right

[winged dove]

You have any book recommendations for HPC and fpgs for HFT ?

[drifting imp]

What do people know about citadel eqr

[storm mica]

green book is all you need

[pallid berry]

heard good things abt them

[abstract storm]

Does anyone know what the HRT interview metrics are

for C++ dev

[quasi orbit]

ng?

[abstract storm]

Is there a difference?

Yes im ng

[dire arrow]

r there any colorstackoors in here

a few quant firms r sponsoring the career fair but do yall know if they acc have dei pipelines

seems unlikely asf

[uncut steeple]

no to dei

biggest scam of 2024

[fresh swallow]

no firm is going to hire someone for dei reasons if they aren't the best candidate for the job lmao

how tf do I prepare for a potential c++ networking questions in an interview?

I don't know anything about this

I can't believe I have a 5 round final for a low latency market connections team I'm so boned

[sharp cove]

does anyone know lc difficulty of

could you also reach out to me? for

[fresh swallow]

didnt some guy type that exact same message in here a few days ago

[fresh swallow]

Hey guys! Are there any quantitative developers here? May I know if there are some websites or npo websites offering free courses or bootcamp in quantitative development?

[queen sorrel]

What company?

[rare badge]

Has flow trader started to reach out?

[potent dome]

It’s not too bad, they give you 10 minutes where they sit on a zoom call and expect you to answer a bunch of mental math questions

Sure

[tall nebula]

yes

[slate crown]

is it still auto for swe?

last yr ik it was

nevermind it is

[fresh swallow]

wasn't auto for me

[queen sorrel]

ayone know what the belvedere OA covers? like mental math, probaility, coding?

[lavish marten]

u got belvedere oa?

[brisk nova]

anyone know what belvedere oa is like for qt?

[lavish marten]

can anyone dm me the solution to thishttps://www.janestreet.com/puzzles/tree-edge-triage-index/ im curious

[abstract storm]

life is extremely rekt

rejection emails only

This is fucked up

f

[whole cedar]

Anyone done Belvedere hirevue?

[lavish marten]

given that it came out just now and it takes more tha nan hour im going to go out on a limb and say no

[whole cedar]

Lmfao i didnt realize it j came out

I applied yday

[plucky verge]

anyone do cit qr phone yet?

[uncut steeple]

drw, cit res reject

can somebody do a res review pls

[solar drum]

is SIG doing their trader interviews in cohorts

or am I cooked

I feel like nobody's been getting SIG trader interviews yet (outside of people who went to a conference/etc)

[gloomy sorrel]

anyone get the TDO take home?

[gloomy sorrel]

idt so

i got a email from recruiter saying tdo is the "best fit" for my app

trade desk op

oh mb this is for jane street

yea trade desk operations intern @ jane street

[low vault]

Jane strorz

[split lintel]

wecu

[honest pawn]

for quant dev, whats the reputation of having FPGA experience in defense/weapons systems?

[drifting imp]

I doubt they care that you worked in defense

not like they’re doing some kinda mega altruistic career

[zenith panther]

bro is capping

[lethal cape]

how long does citadel take to respond after first phone (for swe)

[autumn shoal]

is trader or researcher intern harder to get? should i apply for trader without experience or does it not matter?

[lethal cape]

its been 4 days already

[queen sorrel]

researcher is def harder

[thick bay]

When did u hear back

[analog ravine]

has anyone done akuna phone yet for quant/swe?

[fresh swallow]

I mean it would probably be good exp for an FPGA team

just apply and see what happens

[uncut steeple]

got some trading OA questions

anyone wanna solve together? DM me

[fresh swallow]

question for any other actual experienced devs: Which path offers more money/job security, a low-level true high frequency core infra role, or a more strategy dev/signal generation role? My general intuition would be that it's better to be closer to the money, but in this case the strategy dev role involves frontend and python with only a small amount of C++, so I'm not sure if that makes me too replaceable/less specialized to the point where it's not worth it.

[autumn shoal]

what is hc?

[weary path]

oh man rift you still here

anyone know some decent source for NG QT/QR offers? I keep hearing wildly different numbers

[timber fiber]

getting the offer is the best source

otherwise who cares

[weary path]

unfortunately not a NG asking cuz the guys i interview keep throwing random numbers at me

damn where you going after that?

dropout -> quant ->?? -> homeless

zug is zugging quite a few firms opened up here in the past year, which is nice

u interning at IMC?

i thought you already did last year?

ah kk

NG u are 100% better off in chicago

[pallid berry]

just write ur top 5 things lol it’s not that deep

[lavish marten]

drw swe superday anyone?

[woeful canyon]

that’s insane

[uncut steeple]

this is 74%?????

[vocal drift]

does anyone have any advice for solving problems like these? just in general not really sure how to do these types of problems

[uncut steeple]

yes

this is 74% no

yeah it shouldnt be markov

how does splitting this into AA, BB, ABA, BAB not get the 0.78

got 0.74

will try

[vocal drift]

ABA and BAB don’t end the game

need to win by 2

[uncut steeple]

ABA , A won by 2

its over

[vocal drift]

no it’s 12-11

[uncut steeple]

oh shoot

[coarse blaze]

U can do it w one eqn

[vocal drift]

also kind of a cheese strategy, but if team A has a higher chance of winning a single point than B, we know that the chance of them winning when it’s win by 2 has to be > 0.65

the duality of man

[uncut steeple]

yes

[tired loom]

I've never done a quant oa but got the belvedere what should i know before taking it

[brisk ingot]

its not that bad, nothing crazy

[tired loom]

I've taken all the basic maths including stats+prob anything I should study?

[solar drum]

has anyone taken akuna capital trader oa (the 24 min one) or the belvedere trader oa (the 90 min one)?

[abstract storm]

Anyone interviewed with TGS?

[rose holly]

yes

[coarse blaze]

the Akuna one is mental math and sequences

[signal cradle]

if i like solving these q's is quant for me

[celest tide]

Strategy dev would not really give much job security if you cant come with strats

More money but 100% more performance based

[fresh swallow]

So I wouldn't be coming up with the strats, it's more implementing that type of stuff on behalf of the traders

[versed vector]

Anyone interview with Squarepoint capital for their desk quant analyst role?

[solar drum]

Desk quant analyst role? I thought only QR was open

Or are u talking about FT

[versed vector]

yup

[silent night]

have you done it yet? what was it like?

[leaden panther]

Does jane street question form mean anything?

[celest tide]

Ah in that case then I think infra c++ might be best

Actually good devs with that skillset is very rare

So transition to faang once you get tired of quant wlb would be easy rather than being just another python dev

My ass isint even employed those are just personal thoughts btw^

[rugged rampart]

After phone?

[leaden panther]

No I only applied last week and they said that they reviewed my resume and want me to answer some questions

[rugged rampart]

Then idk

[fresh swallow]

this is somewhat my thinking as well - in my current job search I've found the only results I got were for hft cpp roles with the exception of anduril, which is also somewhat performance sensitive c++

I feel like it's a smaller pool of candidates compared to the amount of people out there shifting data around in python

[uncut steeple]

any current qts wanna roast my res

[dire arrow]

who doing the akuna trading challenge

hackerrank market making bot is crazy

at least IMC made their shit fun

[smoky vortex]

has anybody done citsec trading oa

and wtf was that belvedere trader oa the ui was dogshit

[analog ravine]

i am, do you know what its gonna be like

[dire arrow]

peep the email they sent

[analog ravine]

bruh

its like

so generic

it just says 3-5 hr

[dire arrow]

we write a market making algo n run it n hackerank lmfao

what a shit company

[analog ravine]

LMAO

if i get rejected from regular quant process

would i still be expedited

or is it cooked

[dire arrow]

well i already did so i hope not lmfao

[analog ravine]

wait but what if you sell the final

do they just make you do the final again 💀

that would lowkey be funny af

wait @dire arrow how far in the process did you make it to

[dire arrow]

i got pissed off 20 min in to the oa ans gave up

[analog ravine]

oh fire

[dire arrow]

I didnt like the question about moving 1s n shit

[analog ravine]

LOL

[smoky vortex]

dude it was some custom ui, where they gave the input stream as a string separated with semi colons for some reason. You had to parse it on your own and the checked output is literally just what you print

[smoky vortex]

nah the trading had a coding portion for some fucking reason

like it had 15 probability type questions with atrocious wording and punctuation

and then two coding questions with the worst ui ever

[stiff elbow]

Wait bro for the trading portion the question with .04 didn't have an integer answer right?

[midnight scroll]

gpt away all you want

[smoky vortex]

i don't think it's gonna help lmao some of those questions were so poorly worded

[blazing cedar]

Is anyone here attending CppCon?

[hybrid hamlet]

on god bruh

this shit is so dead

i thought it would be like live trading over a week

something like prosperity or uchicago

[rose holly]

has sig sent out SWE intern phones

[zenith panther]

yeah im giving a talk

[versed vector]

Anyone interview with Squarepoint capital for their desk quant analyst role (full-time)?

[vague forge]

Anyone here attending CppCon?

I’m excited for @zenith panther talk

[zenith panther]

lets gooo

[plucky verge]

anyone interviewing qr at squarepoint?

[spiral garden]

has anyone done the citadel/citsec 3x45 for swe

[low vault]

Is JS an hft

I can’t even tell

Actually wait why am I asking the internet this

Skull

[fresh swallow]

🤷‍♂️

[versed vector]

^^^ would appreciate the help 😭🙏🏽

[vocal drift]

anyone had Optiver qt phone?

[leaden panther]

How hard are Jane street interviews and how many rounds for new grad

[leaden panther]

What’s it like for intern

[uncut steeple]

4 onsite?

wew

all brainteasers?

or coding too

** for qt

[rose holly]

not for qt/qr i think

[uncut steeple]

thanks for this

[leaden panther]

Damn that’s a lot

[fossil willow]

Orz orz orz

[zenith panther]

congrats!

just stay calm and sound smart

if youve made it this far yk what ur doing

[pallid berry]

know your resume well. also ive heard some basic cpp trivia is possible.

[plucky verge]

anyone know much for cit qr technical phone?

or squarepoint?

[hybrid hamlet]

anyone done sig r2?

[soft grove]

does anyone know if imc swe stack ranks

[smoky vortex]

does anyone remember how long it takes for sig qt to get back after oa

last year it was like two weeks for me

[deep cargo]

For what

[soft grove]

final round sorry

[deep cargo]

Yes

[soft grove]

that aint good

do you know if its really tough

[brisk ingot]

gets more tough the later u get

idt its that bad now or early september

[soft grove]

i was thinking this as well

[deep cargo]

nothing they don't respond to emails

[quiet sable]

Is there any point in writing in the motivation part of the Jane street application?

[midnight scroll]

To show your motivation for providing liquidity to the markets

[hexed barn]

was anyone recently referred to jane street swe internship by a current swe intern

[robust bone]

Not gonna refer ppl whose name start with a

[low vault]

Yeah @robust bone referred me but I got rejected

[uncut steeple]

does sig even pay well

public data says trader base is one of {43,67,100,150,...}

highest 150, assuming sr trader

amzn ng base is 140 lmao

and sig doesn't pay fat bonuses iirc

[brisk ingot]

yes sig pays way more than that

[uncut steeple]

from bonus or what

whats the digits

[brisk ingot]

base is like 200 iirc for new grad?

also the internship is 75k for 10 weeks, yk ft pay is gonna be good

[uncut steeple]

gov data says different

i found sample points online saying 400 tc FY trader but they'd have to be paying 300 bonus off 100 base

[brisk ingot]

ur forgetting sign on

also i can assure u base is not 100 there

[uncut steeple]

ah makes sense

FY

[brisk ingot]

yea i mean idk where those numbers are but u gotta know they're not paying ft traders 25% what they pay intern traders

[uncut steeple]

these are federal government mandated numbers from the employer

exclusive of bonus, signon

[uncut steeple]

i mean its possible

beef up first year, recurring is sub-standard

do you have tc numbers

$!$!$!$!$!
Aug 26, 2023
Not sure what kinda new grad gets 400; maybe phd quants; or successful quant traders at first year (rare);```

ya'll gettin fleeced

z2x4iii
Jul 3, 2022
Sig doesn’t pay shit```

[brisk ingot]

yea swe at sig pays like shit

[fresh swallow]

SWE data point: 200k for 1 yoe

Pretty good for Philly if you ask me

Relative to nyc firms sure it’s lower but I wouldn’t call 200k shit in a city where 1.3k gets you a 1bed

[brisk ingot]

1.3k is a bit of a stretch but yea ofc it’s relative

compared to all other comparable firms it’s super low, but in reality it’s still p good

[rose holly]

I kinda stopped caring about salary. At this point anything 60k or more is a beast. I'm happy.

[fresh swallow]

You can’t really look at comp in a vacuum without considering COL imo

[deep cargo]

gts pays less than 200k 💀

is it siloed/ team dependent?

[fresh swallow]

No

[regal basin]

anyone go through squarepoint desk analyst process recently? any recommendations?

[timber fiber]

the way people talk about sig swe is just completely bizarre

you would think that everyone has js cit meta offers the way they carry on

[strange loom]

most quants are just rich kids anyways

if they were less nerdy they'd just go for ib/pe or something

[zenith panther]

IB sounds like hell

what is the pt of doing that much work

i highly doubt they get much done

most of it is for show

[midnight scroll]

SIG SWE is worse than being unemployed

If you don't make over 250k you're literally homeless

[zenith panther]

this

[midnight scroll]

Considering the average american makes 400k (with bonus) its unthinkable to only get paid in the low 200s

[zenith panther]

huh

i think its 400k base

[timber fiber]

i love asking cs students what they think the average salary in nyc is

[zenith panther]

not w/ bonus

[timber fiber]

"100k in nyc is homeless"

[zenith panther]

it is isnt it

post taxes ur at like what? 50k?

[midnight scroll]

going on blind and looking at people say that your 200k in sf magically convert to 0 😂

[zenith panther]

and then rent is like 2.5k minimum

[timber fiber]

median nyc salary is way under 100k

[timber fiber]

my favorite is the "after my expenses and savings, i have no money left"

[fresh swallow]

People on blind have negative financial literacy

“Laid off for 6 months struggling to make ends meet”

Former TC: 600k

[fresh swallow]

Won’t be saving much but it’s completely doable

My base was 110 and I lived off that, saved my bonuses

[zenith panther]

pain

[queen sorrel]

400k housing tf that means you have a mortgage on like a 60M home

Move to the suburbs

Fair enough

[thin bramble]

600k is all base

It comes with 600k signon and 3M guaranteed bonuses

Plus tax free investment in the medallion

[smoky vortex]

does anybody know a soft cutoff for citsec trading oa?

[wet gate]

for low latency?

[vague spear]

Has anyone done the akuna trading competition?

[night cove]

Crazy work stealing all these questions and passing them off as your own 💀

[low vault]

@split lintel

[mellow aurora]

i like the part where you're not a quant

surely if quantquestions was effective you'd be a quant

[grizzled grotto]

this u?

specifically this sentence

[mellow aurora]

these mfs not ready to hear about quantable

actual qrs making the site

[dire arrow]

works for me

[mellow aurora]

you misspelled internships on your bookmarks

[dire arrow]

wait non-owners is there an objective best/cheapest site i should use

and like is there a way to practice optiver sequences, zapn, type of games

[mellow aurora]

lemme level with you. playing dumb isn't gonna win anyone over, and it's already a bad look to be being called out for stealing things. if i were you (which i'm not) i would remove every stolen question and apologize

[dire arrow]

thanks gang

[mellow aurora]

burying your head in the sand and memeing about it is a really bad look

[dire arrow]

is tradermath legit?

[coarse blaze]

yes, too expensive tho

their oa stuff is on point tho

[dire arrow]

anyone tryna split an acc...

45 a month

thats acc insane

spending money to do math is acc fucked

[coarse blaze]

bros acting like anyone was gonna use it

that’s true

[grizzled grotto]

did you copy your questions and solutions from them?

[coarse blaze]

qb mogs tho

[grizzled grotto]

or did they copy from you

answer the question

[mellow aurora]

he copied from them

[grizzled grotto]

did quantguide copy from you

or did you copy from quantguide

anyone with an internet connection can easily see that the questions and solutions are the same between the two sites

so one of you had to copy from the other

so tell us, which is it?

[coarse blaze]

Why is he deleting

[grizzled grotto]

deleting evidence 💀

[winged dove]

What site is this ?

[winged dove]

And who did he steal the questions from ?

[merry saddle]

Quantquestions stole qs from quantguide

Thank you guys for supporting legitimate sources

Nothing but respect for qb, tradermath, etc

Nothing but hate for quantquestions

Yes

As someone on the qg team

Yes

[wary cedar]

Has anyone taken the OMC dev technical

[winged dove]

Thank you for letting me know saw the site and thought about using it when I try for quant again

Can't believe he would steal and try to defraud

[charred crane]

Has anyone taken citadel qt phone interview?

[true ruin]

true

[true ruin]

lmao

[strange loom]

is this cope or smth

have you actually met these people?

[dire arrow]

ib and quant r like entirely different things, its not abt j being more/less nerdy

less nerdy quant is like SWE or actuary

not IB

[strange loom]

they just wanna play the game

[dire arrow]

??

fuck u talmat

[strange loom]

ultimately more money to be made in IB than SWE or actuary if you're a less nerdy quant

[dire arrow]

erm naur

[fossil willow]

ultimately more money to be made in IB than SWE or actuary if you're a less nerdy quant

[strange loom]

the MBAs still boss the quants around even at places like Cit

[dire arrow]

w ass baiter💀

I acc respect it

he acc perfectly emulating the finance bro copium rant

heem bait

[strange loom]

those people have decades of experience, they don't just start there

it's not like quants report directly to the CEO

maybe senior ones do but most do not

[strange loom]

nah

this is just how it is

quant being meritocratic is just another way to say these people are disposable

lots of shops just do the hirefire thing (except for places that set out to have longer employee tenure)

[dire arrow]

what are u even arguing gang

[neon mirage]

anyone had any luck with Citadel recruiters in terms of getting interviews? A prev recruiter there shared a recruiters email with me and idk if its worth reaching out

[dire arrow]

a recruiter made me fill out the candidate intake form then ghosted me forever

[neon mirage]

from cit?

[strange loom]

headhunters might be a good bet, i talked to one a while back but usually they work with exp folks

[dire arrow]

these mfs mean

yea

[neon mirage]

yeah im NG so idk if headhunter is the right fit for me

[strange loom]

not really sure what you're saying here

but decades of experience def matter

[dire arrow]

erm

we know gang

[fossil willow]

Swes and math majors should accept the reality that they are mere underlings to business and finance chads (their bosses)

[strange loom]

this unironically

not like the world suddenly changed

[fossil willow]

Ong

[dire arrow]

MIT PhD bows at the feet of Northwestern MBAi

[fossil willow]

That's why I'm switching to business major

At UCI

[strange loom]

you'll get paid $700k+ as a QR with a PhD but your boss with an MBA and 20 years exp just broke 8 figures

depending on the firm ofc

[fossil willow]

Can u teach me how to get 8 figures 🥺

[dire arrow]

so 20 years exp >> school?

didnt know this ty

[strange loom]

all im saying is get ready

quants are just brains in a vat

[dire arrow]

how are u attributing that to the MBA and not the 20yoe

[hybrid hamlet]

@dire arrow have u done the trading challenge yet

[dire arrow]

no bro i got finals next week I j been studying n shit

Im dreading this

[hybrid hamlet]

Ngl it seems hella mid anyways

Fucking hackerrank

No live platform

[dire arrow]

yea so lame

[hybrid hamlet]

One and done strat

[dire arrow]

yk its on the same game as the OA

[hybrid hamlet]

Literally ruins the point of trading lmao

[hybrid hamlet]

Bruh ur joking

[dire arrow]

these ppl acc put 0 effort smh

[hybrid hamlet]

Kms

[dire arrow]

IMC prosperity mogs to hell

[hybrid hamlet]

Anyday

Mid firm ain’t no one wanna here

Tbf it’s their first time doing sth like this but still yk

[dire arrow]

Imma do it on the plane after my finals

[hybrid hamlet]

Could’ve been more creative lol

[clear sparrow]

Upper class-> quant

[zenith whale]

no one rich is doing quant

and u wont get rich doing quant

if u say otherwise you're delusional

[willow portal]

as if quants also can't get into management at Cit

if anything hard skills + developing business skills is the superior combo

[rose holly]

More like luck to be in the next emerging trading market

Don’t plan too in advance

Just surviving the first 2 years of cuts is a lot

[abstract storm]

Don't think QRs are bossed by MBAs

QRs report to Lead QR to overall business head (QR) who reports to CEO who is also a QR

[livid wedge]

hes definitely trolling

[abstract storm]

The owner of the firm is most times also highly technical.

so

I think all top firms are owned by technical people

[rose holly]

kinda generalized but yeah

[rose holly]

what does this even mean

[strange loom]

so is anyone here actually a quant?

[rose holly]

everyone except for you is yeah

[clear sparrow]

no

[strange loom]

adverse selection ig

[rose holly]

easy like always

they lowballed me

what role

i wasnt trolling

oh idk swe

mb

gl bro

[uncut steeple]

independently show up at a uniformly random time between 9:00 to
10:00. Mickey will only wait 10 minutes for Minnie before leaving, but
Minnie is willing to wait 30 minutes for Mickey before leaving. What
is the probability they end up meeting each other?```

apologies

[stone drum]

i think you can just graph it on xy plane (x is when mickey shows up, y for minnie each from 9->10) and the desired area (when they meet) / total area of square will be the probability

[uncut steeple]

how is 11/36

basically this problem is just a 10 min window

the 30 min is irrelevant

so therefore 1-(5/6)^2

the other dude has 30 min but that doesn't matter cos mickey man only has 10

mickie man only has 10

so the other 20 mins, mickie man isnt there

effectively on a timeline of all possible meetings, that window is only 10 mins

where both parties are there

no??

the waiting stuff is irrelevant

anytime mickie shoes up is x_t_0

the length of x_t_start to x_t_end is 10

so you just rephrased it as, when will x_t_0 be a possible meeting

within 9 to 9:30 that is

but his 10 min intervals cover the entire timeline

so everything is covered under a 30 min timeframe

am i not right

plz rentech traders 😭 back me up

ok i might be wrong cus if minnie only waits 10 and mick shows up at 9:30 they wont meet

[uncut steeple]

ok I solved this

only took over an hour ezpz

[lavish marten]

what u get

[uncut steeple]

19/36

[fringe roost]

anyone know what akuna python process is like

[grizzled cipher]

has anyone done old mission first round for NG QT role

[lavish marten]

i ran this experiment in python and got a different result, can u verify ur answer?

[leaden panther]

Anyone here have any experience with Jane street phone? Specifically for Linux engineer

[sacred beacon]

^

[midnight scroll]

Is this larp wtf is a citadel externship

Actually ig same question for the rest of the roles here

[uncut steeple]

yeah I ran 10mill trials with python too didn't match

but the math works out

(for reference the trial p was ~0.64)

[fossil willow]

It's their freshman program iirc

[hard barn]

has anyone taken citadel sec qt phone?

[weary nacelle]

Anyone know what to expect for js tdoe NG process? Description of process on their site seems vague

[signal hare]

can anyone explain to me what this channel is about please?

[uncut steeple]

some of us want to go overseas and start a business

business in the 21st century now needs people like software engineers, ai specialists, etc

we're basically the channel for startup incubators overseas

most of it is boring stuff tbh, like some dude started a watermelon/fruits bartering business in indonesia and he's now hiring software devs to make tools for him to weigh the fruits automatically

it sounds stupid but it brings decent money in at scale

https://maps.app.goo.gl/s3gzA3q9mzx5PZYG9
this is a notable street where many of the top guys from this trade live

[rose holly]

That's not what it is.

It's like a trading firm.

[uncut steeple]

many of us want to live there because 'you've made it big'

[rose holly]

High frequency trading.

[uncut steeple]

sort of like beverly hills you know

segue

this can't be more than 50% right

shes gonna pick HHT

[uncut steeple]

found it

[halcyon zealot]

Lol

Was it belvedere q?

[uncut steeple]

aaa did you have this too

[halcyon zealot]

I think everyone had the same

[mellow aurora]

??????

[midnight scroll]

Yeahp. It's a reutrn to the old days and a rejection of modernity. Bartering and trading is the way back to go

going to UK to do some trading in the countryside and whatnot

[peak egret]

Anyone get ctc

Is it?

I applied ages ago

[vague forge]

is that an infra role? or dev

just curious

[leaden panther]

infra

kinda devops/sre role

But a little coding in ocaml and C and bash scripting

[frigid panther]

Not yet

I just did the Belvedere QT and SWE OAs

[severe ocean]

Hey guys, quick question: Is VBA hard to learn for a CS background student? In other words, would it be okay if I pretended to know VBA for submitting a quant relate position

[hybrid hamlet]

has anyone done sig r2

[fringe roost]

no

[midnight scroll]

unless it changed from last year its a pair programming type thing

but considering the OA changed I wouldnt be surprised if the entire process switched up in some way

SIG bar finally harder 🥲

the problem itself idk if its the same for everyone ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I think it also really just depends on what you do, interviewer asked a little trivia and questions about my implementation that were language dependent

[bright mountain]

@wintry hinge did u have phone already

omg you two are both umd

[bright mountain]

wait how it change

I thought it was gcf last year too

[midnight scroll]

no it was just 2 questions

1 med 1 easy

(custom codesignal)

so a shorter gcf ig

Similar to a q1 q3 (I got a matrix problem)

[bright mountain]

oh damn

hopefully they didn’t switch stuff up for rest of process

[spark basin]

Anyone in loop for squarepoint capital / has completed one previously ?

[rugged rampart]

What is the 4 minute ctc oa

i never took the firs toa

this is the first i've heard from ctc

[smoky vortex]

i took the sig qt oa 3 weeks ago and haven't gotten a response yet, am I cooked?

[night cove]

yeah for qt tho

[night cove]

maybe thats a long time 💀

I got sig offer today gang we made it out the mud 🙏

[hazy light]

how many rounds after phone?

[night cove]

oa r1 r2 r3 final

[hazy light]

thx

[night cove]

np

[bright mountain]

qt?

[night cove]

yeah

[bright mountain]

nice

[night cove]

thx

[bright mountain]

does qt have technicals

[night cove]

yeah lol

see above

[bright mountain]

same one as swe?

[night cove]

wdym

oa r1 r2 r3 final

[bright mountain]

like a live coding round

[night cove]

uh no its qt

not swe

[bright mountain]

ok

[night cove]

They're goated

[livid wedge]

i have friends that took sig qt over citsec qt

sig qt is very good

[night cove]

We in bama

And the js doesn't count its a math camp

[night cove]

I would tbh

[sullen onyx]

what’s the akuna vidcruiter interview like for qt?

[lavish marten]

how long ppl heat back after akuna r2 cpp

ok same but im running it back

well see

[sullen onyx]

thanks

[robust bone]

thanks hyper you missed the monthly subscription fee of just 999$

USD*

[autumn shoal]

zamn can't wait to sign up

[hybrid hamlet]

is it just probability / ev betting games with a trader?

[night cove]

yeah

[pulsar scarab]

Does the algo dev role at HRT mostly for math PhDs? Or do CS undergrads not from t10 schools and faang+ have a shot.
I'm debating if I should apply for algo dev or swe c++

[mellow aurora]

algo dev is closer to qr than swe

[pulsar scarab]

yea ik, so do they prefer math phds?

[neon mirage]

given that they have separate pos for both undergrad and PHD's I would say they are open to also taking undergrads

[pulsar scarab]

have u applied to HRT yet? if so which role?

[neon mirage]

I did, algo dev/Python dev. I’m not that good at c++ lol😛

[pulsar scarab]

they have ng python dev?

[neon mirage]

When you apply to ago dev you can also select other roles you’re interested in. Python dev was one idk if it’s the same

[pulsar scarab]

yea that is kinda what I am perplexed by. I wanna go for SWE, but the only SWE they have is c++. while I do have strong C++ background, I Dont have any professional experience in it as most of my experience is in python (cuz ML) and typescript. So I am tryna figure out which role to apply to

[pulsar scarab]

oh interesting

when did u apply? have u heard back yet?

[neon mirage]

Yesterday. No and I don’t have high hopes. I have good exp but go to a state school lol

[neon mirage]

Same almost exactly lol

[pulsar scarab]

can I dm?

[neon mirage]

Yeee

[white wave]

anyone know anything about drw superday for swe?

[wet gate]

when did you do oa

[fervent bolt]

Resume? School?

[shut void]

anyone do hrt o

*HRT OA

[low vault]

They might give you an additional technical(?) I’ve heard

Dunno

Might be a couple days

[willow osprey]

out of curiosity how are larger retail banks (e.g. JPMC, Citi) viewed in regards to market making

[night cove]

I just had roblox and amp and stuff nothing special

And I didn't really prepare this year at all but last year I just read greenbook

Thx g

[pallid forge]

you didn't even do comp math??

[night cove]

No

U don't need allat

[silent night]

anyone did the de shaw Systems: Engineering Intern initial interview yet? what kinda qns do they ask?

[lucid notch]

anyone do a QR phone screen interview at Citadel Securities?

[hexed barn]

wym

did u get rejected?

[autumn shoal]

i'm cooked

[lavish marten]

for anyone interviewing for swe drw, they are stack ranking until ("hopefully") the end of the month. afterwards they will make decisions (source: recruiter)

[hazy hawk]

How many rounds is Akuna (tech not trading)

[lavish marten]

oh really is it now

lmfao

i do tho

i do have something to lose

xdddd

[vocal drift]

does ctc not expedite?

[smoky vortex]

it's been like > 3 weeks since i took the sig oa

and the recruiter hasn't even opened my email asking about it

[lavish marten]

same most ppl (w regards to swe)

[smoky vortex]

it's trading for me

i think there might be a delay in that case

there was some market anomaly recently according to some dude I was talking to

which is why js started so late

not sure, but swe has been going at the normal rate, it's just trading that got delayed

[lavish marten]

fuck school bruh this shit matters way more

what firms are left

[zenith panther]

orz kevin

done w/ recruiting before school

need to get like that

coast-maxxing

i think js has somewhat good wlb from what i hear

so ur chillin

[lavish marten]

yeyeye i mean ideally ofc we're all like that, but i personally prioritize this over school rn b/c i can afford to tank gpa for a sem if need be

hedonic treadmill

[deep cargo]

they don't

[lone umbra]

anyone done jane street qt r1?

[lone umbra]

yea

[lone umbra]

cool ty.

[rose holly]

@night cove is 2/3 enough on the r2 trading screen

for sig

or nah

[night cove]

mmm maybe not

the qs are kinda easy so they might dock u

but who knows

[neon mirage]

real

[cobalt sedge]

Is there a another round after r2 before the super day for sig

[brisk ingot]

anyone done the technical round for bridgewater ie intern

[night cove]

Yeah

[lavish marten]

dude wtf

[lavish marten]

this process is still going??????

its been like 2 months

[willow portal]

drw superday next week lol

[tranquil wagon]

Congrats, what role?

[brisk ingot]

LMAO

nah i delayed this round for 2 months

finally have it now

[lavish marten]

swe?

@tranquil wagon do u think drw announces super day based on when all first rounds are done per team

or am i j gapped

[tranquil wagon]

Idk seems like they are just rlly inconsistent lol, everyone seems to have a diff timeline

Maybe it’s just super team based or something

[deep cargo]

wdym by everyone has a diff timeline

[tranquil wagon]

Just like different pace

Some seem fast others seem drawn out

[deep cargo]

have people gotten superday requests yet?

[lavish marten]

read the chat gangy

[tranquil wagon]

Some yeah

[deep cargo]

ah whoops

[deep cargo]

what team did u interview with

[tranquil wagon]

Not sure sorry

[frosty socket]

do u guys know of any quant trading specific servers?

[low vault]

Thanks @robust bone for letting me know about the top quant firm tips and tricks that landed me at top trading and hedge fund systematic firms

[willow portal]

c++ new grad

[rose holly]

does js always reply within the day if you make it to onsite from the phone round?
for swe

[low vault]

They can take more

About 2 biz days for me

[rose holly]

oh alright cool

[drifting imp]

anyone know anything about sunrise futures

[neon mirage]

is a week too short to follow up for an unanswered email?

[thin bramble]

a week is fine.

following up will not change the result

[versed vector]

anyone interview with squarepoint capital for their desk quant analyst role? please message me I would appreciate the help 😭🙏🏽

[fringe roost]

orz

[fossil willow]

Orz

[soft grove]

does imc ever call to reject

[drifting imp]

anyone do jump codilitiy

[drifting imp]

2yoe

it’s like 2 hrs in Python

[near horizon]

is citadel better than citadel securities

[abstract storm]

GQS is good

GQS min offer is 500k, or so ive heard

[rose holly]

werent they acquired?

[drifting imp]

you tell me

[rose holly]

nah

i was thinking of another

[deep cargo]

I think you were thinking of sun trading

[rose holly]

yea i was

[hazy hawk]

Does hrt have FPGA intern position or only new grad

[twin cloud]

Wrong

[wary cedar]

has anyone done the old mission final for swe

[lavish marten]

can i dm

[wary cedar]

Yeah

[versed vector]

has anyone interviewed with squarepoint capital pls help 🫡

yup

can I dm?

had some questions

[fresh swallow]

Yeah

They were asking me the details of every language on my resume

Bullshit ass interview lol

[brazen tusk]

Bruh, if it's on your resume, be prepared to be asked about it...

[rose holly]

hrt swe intern wants people eligible for FT in 2025??

[fresh swallow]

I don’t think it’s reasonable to ask details of how a language I used in one internship 4 years ago works

Personally

When I’m applying to a c++ job and have been using c++ for the past 2 years that’s what I expect to be tested on

[rare badge]

anyone done barclay's oa for quant?

[wary cedar]

has anyone done akuna phone for dev

[soft grove]

you were at imc this summer right

do you know what ro rates are looking like

[dire arrow]

has anyone done the barclays cognitive ability OA

for quant analytics role

is it j like patterns/sequences type shit

[brisk ingot]

think thats five rings

[deep cargo]

Yeah it’s there but they don’t do winter

Fall is pretty rare for them as well nowadays

[low vault]

Who 👀

[abstract storm]

What is tier of DE Shaw?

[lavish marten]

r u loo

[fresh swallow]

Good

Pretty crazy process though

[hybrid hamlet]

Bruh has anyone done js qt OA

[uneven girder]

what does omc ask in first technical?

[dire arrow]

if im '28 grad, besides spamming insight program apps n green book sweating what else should I be doing

[vocal drift]

are any processes different for grad students?

[ornate briar]

t0

baek/baek

[fresh swallow]

IB

[dire arrow]

rather die

[slate crown]

how is ctc oa for swe

[ocean gazelle]

🤣

[wintry tendon]

yeah 20m sign on modal tenure 11.9 months

[uncut steeple]

is akuna oa automatic

[meager saffron]

Anyone know what tc for old mission is?

[hazy hawk]

For tech yes

Does imc ghost or rej?

[wary cedar]

anyone do the hrt oa for algo dev

[uncut steeple]

trading

[peak egret]

What is belevedere trading hirevue

Why is it 90 min

It’s an OA I’m guessing?

[autumn shoal]

yes

[peak egret]

Makes sense

Never did an OA on hirevue lol

[vocal drift]

anyone had first round with optiver for qt?

[uncut steeple]

has optiver chicago qt ft closed already

[abstract storm]

What does it mean when recruiter claims will come up with better offer after negotiating and then starts ghosting

[rose holly]

Has anyone done

MS phone

For derivatives trading

[uncut steeple]

app

[winged dove]

MS ?

[rose holly]

Morgan Stanley

[winged dove]

Ahhh my bad

[rose holly]

From what I know it’s just like resume questions and market making questions

[winged dove]

Sorry usually when people say MS they mean Mircosoft

[rose holly]

We in the wuants and traders channel

Aint no msft traders

[winged dove]

I know 😂

Anyone applied got rejected then heard back from sig asking you to take their stuff again ?

[smoky vortex]

dude its been 4 weeks and when I contacted the recruiter she said "we got your results, we'll contact you soon regarding next steps"

[fresh swallow]

probably there are people in front of you

they move fast if you do well in my experience

[smoky vortex]

yeah it took like 2 weeks for me last year and I heard they deprioritize if you apply and don't make final the year before

[undone compass]

I failed natwest OA , how shall I improve myself, shall I do cp ?

[vocal drift]

took a while for me to hear back

[cyan shoal]

Has anyone ever interviewed sig qd. Till this year only remember them doing qt or swe

[wary cedar]

it's a new role they have out for intern/ng

[lilac garden]

does hrt swe do fall

[hazy hawk]

How long of a response time after optiver technical first round?

[lethal cape]

anybody finish the OA for millenium QR?

just finished mine but had some questions abt it

[tall nebula]

abt 2 business days for me

[lavish marten]

will going to imc virtual event get me offer?

its all loo

[winged dove]

I did well on my last Interviews I had with them which would explain why they got back with me

[soft grove]

is there an imc intern discord

[low vault]

Bc Canada on top 😎😎😎

[deep cargo]

congrats on radix

[low vault]

lol I’m asking them to expedite

They haven’t even started interviews yet, according to the recruiter

Intern

Yeah

I’m probably kinda boned for radix this cycle since I’m going to Asia in October

[quasi orbit]

tell them u have rentech competing

[low vault]

So true

[neon mirage]

Is sig QR math test auto? Anyone know what topics are on it?

[lavish marten]

for anyone in the imc event was there a barcode to scan at the beginning or something

[sweet forge]

should i take finance or business classes for quant finance?

[dire arrow]

erm

neither

[dire arrow]

I agree but derivatives is usually walled behind bs accounting prereqs

akuna's course is acc pretty good for that and free

[hybrid hamlet]

bro tryna zipbomb trojan my computer

[winged dove]

Process has gotton slower now that I think about it

[cyan shoal]

yea kinda a rip, know nothing abt it in any sense. I guess expect some mix of sig swe and qt interviews

[lavish marten]

anyone ever get interviews for squarepoint while requiring sponsorship'

[livid wedge]

u might get questions about os/systems stuff if its on ur resume but its rng

[hybrid hamlet]

has anyone done flow final or has it scheduled?

[plucky verge]

has imc started qt process

i’ve been on app review for last month basically and I’m T5 with a referral

[fresh swallow]

Not really

[shut void]

some peopple got offers alr

[plucky verge]

yikes idk what happened then

[vocal drift]

yeah I also have referral and got nothing so far

[abstract storm]

life is rekt rekt rekt rekt

[paper sleet]

Has anyone done the Old Mission Phone?

[shy tide]

anyone knows if jane street SWE NG process is any different than the intern process or if we need to know any sys design?

[rugged rampart]

When is drw swe super day

[ember plinth]

does anyone know what imc asks in phone interview for swe? they said theres technical questions but no coding, so im guessing its os/networking qs?

[buoyant elbow]

what is that course? Is it accessible for students?

[fringe roost]

Hey @visual smelt,

I just wanted to reach out and let you know that I’m here for you. I know getting rejected from Citadel feels really tough, especially when you’ve put so much effort into it. But remember, this doesn’t define you or your future. You’re incredibly talented and have so much potential, and there are countless opportunities out there where your skills and passion will shine. Rejection is just a part of the journey, not the end of it. Please don’t let this setback push you to a dark place. You have so many people who care about you and are ready to support you through this. We’re in this together, and I believe in you. Let’s talk soon, okay?

Take care,
@iron cape

[buoyant elbow]

Isn’t HRT even harder than Citadel?

How do you prepare for quant positions ? I’m new to quant, do they require same as SWE?

[cunning charm]

does Jane Street swe phone go over resume/background?

or just jump into coding question

[fresh swallow]

Recruiting is at its core random

Why you think they’re mad?

[livid wedge]

just jump into coding question

[livid wedge]

its the same types of questions as the intern process

[pallid berry]

praying for anyone that is lol

[willow portal]

does hrt have phone 3? or onsite after phone 2 for ng

[pallid berry]

ye n they been struggling for a while i heard

seems like a bad time to be there

[pallid berry]

ye it’s prolly better for the firm long term but prolly means a bit more instability and uncertainty in the short term

[vocal drift]

two sigma -> one sigma

[lavish marten]

anyone hear back recently about drw superday for swe

[uncut steeple]

f citadel

[uncut steeple]

rej

imc sux too

[fringe roost]

orz

[fossil willow]

orz

[vocal drift]

what score is needed on sig oa

[lavish marten]

601

[peak egret]

Rej from black edge

I’m cooked bro

I’m gonna be a code monkey

😔

[hot dove]

has anyone taken five rings OA?

[hot dove]

trading

[quiet pecan]

how much harder are new grad swe interviews vs intern swe interviews?

i'm a soph who is planning to grad in 3 years getting some interviews for summer 2026 internships but dont think i got enough experience to pass them

i think in a year i might be able to but by then i'd have to apply for new grads unless i push my grad year back

[fresh swallow]

“It’s tough when you didn’t make it” - guy at citadel

Some people will never be happy

[broken yarrow]

anyone get jump trading reach out?

[uncut steeple]

no

[ornate briar]

i would quit working atp

[stone vector]

bro is a rage baiter

[lavish marten]

bruh

im giving this drw recruiter one more week

one more week mara

and then im going to ur house

[quasi orbit]

lmao drw recruiters take forever

they def ghost u on purpose

[hazy hawk]

Anyone in optiver FPGA process

[dark lake]

what does rej mean

[plucky verge]

yep couple weeks back

[broken yarrow]

can i dm?

[plucky verge]

yea fs

[floral salmon]

im telling ur recruiter

[mellow aurora]

is that real???

fuck

[mellow aurora]

that's fuckin crazy

sure

[fresh swallow]

fr?

I'm telling my girlfriend to apply

she prolly knows what C++ is if she works as a recruiter at jane street

what qualifications do you think a recruiter needs lmao

all they have to do is familiarize themselves with languages + relevant companies and then have good people skills

[tight oasis]

is there any way to get new grad quant interviews if you haven't worked at a quant firm before

i have 5 summers worth of interning with one at palantir

don't go to t10 cs school though

[fresh swallow]

to be a quant or to be a swe

[tight oasis]

swe

[fresh swallow]

Yes you should be able to get interviews

I didn't have any notable internships and I got a few

[tight oasis]

oh shit that's dope

gratz bro

[fresh swallow]

no longer work there lol but

[tight oasis]

did you just cold apply?

[fresh swallow]

yeah

Or I reached out to recruiters directly if I didn't see a role (this is what I did for headlands)

[tight oasis]

is there like a list of quant employers to refer to?

[fresh swallow]

but if you have a company like palantir you should be able to get FAANG tbh

in hindsight as someone who passed up amazon

[tight oasis]

i feel like its easier to go from quant to faang tho rather than vice versa

and quant seems genuinely interesting

can always switch later

also how did you get recruiter contact info? @fresh swallow ?

[fresh swallow]

i don't really remember

they will usually have like a general HR or recruiting email

the smaller firms

[fresh swallow]

be careful ab this because tbh a lot of stuff a trading swe does is not super applicable to big tech type coding

and you don't get any exposure to system design because trading systems are so fundamentally different from the type of stuff in tech

[undone grail]

I'm currently at Oracle, its a struggle getting into quant

[fresh swallow]

compensation is also not meaningfully different once someone gets like 1 promotion in tech

unless you sit on a desk with a trading team and get a cut of pnl

[undone grail]

I'm actually 2 promos in still sitting on 235, so going to quant still doubles tc

[fresh swallow]

just go to meta

will be a hell of a lot easier to get into than the firms that will pay you over 450 lol

[tardy dagger]

agreed

[zenith panther]

depends on team

you aren't always KDB spamming

[fair star]

what is red book for quant

[wheat isle]

Assuming that's All of Statistics by Larry Wasserman

[fair star]

thanks ❤️

[charred spear]

hey guys, is it still posible to apply for some of these quant internship roles?

like is it worth it? cause ik a lot of them opened up earlier this month

[left sentinel]

anyone do janestreet swe intern first round?

[quasi orbit]

did anyone else do jump first round today?