quants-n-traders

[queen sorrel]

apparently AQR interns get 2x or 1.5x overtime. they print

alliant

[zenith panther]

i didnt know aqr took interns

[queen sorrel]

rentech has interns?

i need c1

then i can mount an attempt at a quant res screen

[zenith panther]

huh

idt its that deep

they just hire ppl who are fit for the role

[rose holly]

troll?

[zenith panther]

why worry

[rose holly]

orz

orz i'm starvemaxxing bcs i dont have money

[zenith panther]

we all know ur him big bro

[fresh swallow]

that's fire tho

It's easier to get interview at citadel than bloomberg lol

[rose holly]

whats corr(humblemaxxing, tc) biggest of bros?

i didn't get bbg interview

😭

[fresh swallow]

I went to a t15 cs school and had 3 internships (granted they were just a startup + defense) and never was able to get an interview for intern or ng

whereas I easily got interviews for firms like headlands and cit

[zenith panther]

^

[fresh swallow]

I actually think bb is the ideal company

[zenith panther]

😈

[fresh swallow]

but now that I'm experienced dev it's impossible for me

good enough pay for my lifestyle and good wlb

plus it's a private company so you probably won't get laid off

[dire arrow]

did yall get cit intake form?

for trading

im wondering if its auto or has some screening to it

[fresh swallow]

I didn't say the resume screen bar was lower/higher

I said it's easier to get an interview

[fresh swallow]

I think citadel must have a more resonable resume screen which is more effective at giving interviews to qualified candidates

I know multiple people who work as swe at high paying firms who didn't get interview at bb

[stone vector]

or citadel has more resources to interview people

quant firms want the best people so they won't be too stingy on recruitment cost

[fresh swallow]

perhaps, which would agree with me saying it's easier to get interview at cit

They don't even have oa for some of the teams

I didn't have to do OA when I interviewed with them earlier this year

[deep cargo]

Factual with quant if you have good exp u know you’ll get an interview

Tech nobody knows

[stone vector]

yea im just saying it's not necessarily that they have better ability to identify qualified candidate but they want the best so they won't be too stingy on interviewing

[valid sand]

what was it like? difficult?

[winged dove]

can't remember I passed the first one failed the second one

[valid sand]

like the programming?

[winged dove]

nahhh can't remember tbh

I think I did terriable on sequences

Akuna Belv and Sig have been my best results

[zenith panther]

nuh uh

js didnt interview me

😔

[fresh swallow]

I got sig final tomorrow

[winged dove]

Nice job

[fresh swallow]

yeah

[zenith panther]

sig orders food for all the traders and researchers

and doesn't let the swes eat any

[fresh swallow]

lol

sig is not ideal but I've been unemployed for like 9 months so

yeah hopefully my tower research interview goes well next week

[drifting imp]

is this true

[fresh swallow]

They got a cafeteria there you're supposed to get food from

[zenith panther]

yes

[fresh swallow]

I read they get mad if you go eat lunch

Working conditions actually sound so diabolically bad

but I'm desperate at this point lol

[deep cargo]

Yeah I work there and it’s true

[midnight scroll]

😭 idk where this sig reputation comes from.

The 4 or so engineers I talked with all said it was chill

Although ig they're not gonna shit on their company during an interview but they seemed genuine

[fresh swallow]

Idk, this is what people with SIG names were saying on blind

[midnight scroll]

You'll rarely hear anything positive ever on blind tbh

[fresh swallow]

true

[dawn crystal]

Lmao that sucks

[dawn crystal]

How long have u been working there

[timber fiber]

what are y'all even talking about

[fossil willow]

I'm his manager TS has been here for 2 years

[brisk ingot]

u can only use python?

dang gotcha

[rugged rampart]

Which role

[stiff elbow]

Anyone do drw QT OA?

[abstract oxide]

Did anyone hear back from cit, drw or sig after applying for qt internship?

[weary nacelle]

Is this NG or nah?

[dawn crystal]

Manager at sig? Whats that like

[hybrid hamlet]

how many of u guys are done with the book

[neon mirage]

Good think Python syntax is dummy simple

[broken thorn]

do jane street and hrt swes also have to waste multiple days figuring out git errors and setup issues

[drifting imp]

wym have to

[stone cipher]

Traders at pretty much every place eat at their desks

[broken thorn]

i cant picture them delaying projects due to their workspace being fucked up

but like how do u even avoid that? give them pre-setup laptops? have super robust setup tools?

[neon mirage]

One command set up😁

[neon mirage]

I feel like this is just the struggle for all places tbh even prob those firms

[broken thorn]

how are u gonna know if someones a good fit or not if their project doesn't finish due to shitty setup issues

allegedly they only do 4-5 hours of pedal to the medal work a day in js

for intern

in the afternoons

[dawn crystal]

Book?

[rotund obsidian]

if anyone knows type of questions asked for 5r coding rounds pls lmk

[dire arrow]

kind of for cit not really

[rotund obsidian]

tdoe, which is nowhere to be found on internet so trying to find any guidance for swe and work from there

[hybrid hamlet]

What does this mean 😭

[drifting imp]

how would it be fucked up

one way to solve is to just work on a dev server

so it either works for everyone or is broken for everyone

but if broken it’s fixed by 1 for all

[livid wedge]

usually the first week is allotted for setting up the workspace and that’s more than enough time

everyone prefers different environments too so it’s up to u to set up the dev environment however u want

[broken thorn]

ye but 8 weeks into my (non quant swe) internship i now have rebasing issues taking me multiple days and multiple goated git pppls help

[livid wedge]

lmao i was just facing rebasing issues as well and so was the other intern on my team but it’s a skill issue if anything

how does it have to do with setup/the firms tech?

[stone cipher]

Who are you hearing this from

[broken thorn]

they posted a day in the life thing that described what the day was like

[stone cipher]

Day in the life is not accurate

I will say that js swe interns are definitely not allowed to post their schedules online

[royal forge]

know how to use git + have good tooling

that's my guess

i've never had unavoidable git issues or setup issues

[dark mountain]

has anyone gotten the drw at home test (not swe oa)

i applied for a position i haven't seen released in previous years but i've heard qr/qt gets at home test too?

[half valve]

what does this mean

pedal to the medal?

[cerulean hearth]

'not ideal' bro its a 300k job and ur homeless fym not ideal

[hybrid hamlet]

fuck thats gonna cook my ass

[rose holly]

How is drw oa

[pallid berry]

ur lucky if SIG breaks 200 lol

[deep cargo]

i thought standard band was 200+ nowadays

or is that only for "good" teams

[pallid berry]

its 180-220

220 is top teams

[zenith panther]

huh

[dawn crystal]

Maximum effort

[zenith panther]

if ur getting under 200 at sig wtf is the pt

isnt tech just better

even in terms of ease

[dawn crystal]

Dont you also get like mad bonuses at sig

I heard the bonuses alone pay over your base

[deep cargo]

Not for swe

[dawn crystal]

Damn actually 😭

Does any firm give those kinda bonuses to swe?

[deep cargo]

why weren't u at the event yday 😭

[weary nacelle]

WAHHHHH

[dawn crystal]

Ill take sig anyday, they're cool asf

[fossil willow]

Excluding sign on right?

[drifting imp]

?????

isn’t this just “find the 2 biggest rectangles”?

you do the same thing as the 1 rectangle case except keep max 2 instead of max 1

[cerulean hearth]

i mean 200 is still crazy for an unemployed person but, how come so low? I thought even IMC paid like 350k

[drifting imp]

what do you mean an unemployed person lol

like if you were making 2M

[cerulean hearth]

^

[drifting imp]

is 100k insane to them

they can’t intersect in the 1 case either?

otherwise they are simply 1 rectangle or not a rectangle

unless the 1 case allows for intersections

either way I think I know how you do it

just start top left

move right until you hit a 0

[neon mirage]

Are there gueanteed to be 2> rectangles in the grid

[drifting imp]

move down till you hit a 0

check if it’s a rectangle

and then keep a history of heights you’ve searched

and keep moving right and down

[neon mirage]

drw oa was lowkey so stupid

[drifting imp]

like imagine the question were find the biggest rectangle

instead of 2 biggest

am I missing smth here lol

[neon mirage]

That’s what I thought

But I think there can be only ONE rectangle intbhe grid?

Then you just split it?

Or a rectangle or size 9, 3, 1 respectively and it would make more sense to cut 9 into 5 and 4

[drifting imp]

it says 2 biggest non intersecting

I imagine if there’s 0 or 1 you can just return soemthing to indicate that

[neon mirage]

True, idk I didn’t have it but I think your approach is right

[drifting imp]

ya these ones are easy enough

you just do what you’d do in real life

and shove that logic into some arrays and for loops

admittedly tedious

[deep cargo]

I think DRW bug their OAs but I’m not sure if it’s just qt or both

[brisk ingot]

sig swe is in a v different category than imc swe lmao

[cerulean hearth]

how come

[deep cargo]

Because void would never consider something as insignificant as sig swe

[azure zenith]

lmao where are you hearing this

(the IMC part)

[deep cargo]

im pretty sure thats the TC for qt

swe is like 320 - 330?

[drifting imp]

sig always known to pay less

I think they probably want that

but easier said than done so it's not like all of them can/will

idk hiring bars are weird

some firms that are clearly worse than other firms will have weirdly hard hiring bars

sometimes its just lucky of the draw which companies you get offers at

[stone cipher]

IMC values technology a lot

They have very fast execution

[rose holly]

SIG is in a extremely cheap area and family friendly

Some software teams are paid well / on par with industry standards (can even be higher if you adjust for COL)

[stone cipher]

SIG has very good work life balance as well

[brisk ingot]

imc upper bound for swe ro is like 355

lower bound is low 300 afaik

330 is standard i think

[sick shuttle]

Has anyone heard back after Optiver OA?

[quasi orbit]

i did not get this question damn

drw made me turn on camera microphone and screen share

hella scuffed

[deep cargo]

that's for one rectangle

for two its much more complicated i think

[fresh swallow]

neither of these things are true

[stone cipher]

Yes

[dawn crystal]

What leetcode rating do u need to be able to pass high teir quant interviews

[split lintel]

@low vault thoughts?

[neon mirage]

Guardian

[stone cipher]

Gold nova

[weary nacelle]

My goat Rift would NEVER

[fervent bolt]

Is this for drw?

Best is use the maximal rectangle method and evaluate based off divisions, O(N^2M + M^2N)

Create bounds in that maximal rectangle and make a split horizontally and vertically and find the best maximum rectangle on top/bottom and left/right

What’s ur time complexity

Has anyone gotten optiver swe oa?

[void sorrel]

C++ or regular? I did C++ and different qs

[true lava]

Anyone have the TQD server link?

[fervent bolt]

How was it and when did u apply? I thought they usually send pretty fast but I havent gotten it

[pulsar scarab]

When did you apply

I haven't gotten it yet either

[fervent bolt]

Close to when it came out, July 2nd

[lethal cape]

I haven’t heard back either

Probably comes in waves or smt

[fossil willow]

Dude I haven't heard back

Fuck.

We're doomed let's doom together

[lethal cape]

Hmmm no doom yet I see ppl getting rejections already

[pulsar scarab]

Oh fuck

I applied 4 days ago I haven't heard shit either

[fresh swallow]

I'm lost as to what you mean by this

yeah

so basically you run the algorithm once with everything split horizontally, then again with it split vertically

alr that makes sense

[meager saffron]

anyone have recommendations to prep for an interview for squarepoint capital>

Cant find any leetcode questions for em

[fresh swallow]

swe?

[pallid forge]

Competition programming or competitive math for quant jobs?

I did neither high school so I wanna experience it in college

[meager saffron]

yeah

[low vault]

I don’t know

I guess guardian seems reasonable?

Also depends on how much anxiety you get etc

[low vault]

What do you enjoy more?

They are very mutually correlated

[pallid forge]

I know you’re a demon on comp programming, are most of the competitions online?

[low vault]

Yes

[pallid forge]

If so, I’d rather do programming because it seems more convenient

Alright that’ll probably help with technical interviews more anyways

Thanks mate

[queen pendant]

neither applies to quant jobs

also its unlikely ur gonna get really good at comp math in college without any base before

[stone cipher]

It is easier to become better at comp programming than comp math if youve done neither

[pallid forge]

I thought in interviews they give u similar problems to comp math

[stone cipher]

Interviews arent very representative of the job tbf

[pallid forge]

are the questions asked in interviews able to be self studied and are low level competitive math?

[low vault]

Gl

[pallid forge]

Id rather do programming based on all the answers but I’m a bit worried about that aspect

[low vault]

I mean I got a weird question once

Mostly programming though

[queen pendant]

u don’t get asked comp math in interviews generally

9/10 cases nobody is making u write proofs lol

[fresh swallow]

I'll dm you

[rose holly]

what competition math can you do in college though?

putnam ig?

[lethal cape]

Has anyone heard back from J.P. Morgan systematic trading intern

[cerulean hearth]

to be fair idrk much about swe, i just thought for most top firms qt ~ swe in terms of payout

is sig different in that regard

[cerulean hearth]

unemployed for 9 months == homeless in the making

[azure zenith]

dunno about other firms but true for mine

although the bonuses can be different

can get a desk bonus

[drifting imp]

which firm are you at

[rose holly]

optiver obv

[fresh swallow]

hater ass mf

I have a $40/hour data annotation thing I can do when I need money

[fresh swallow]

swe is lower at the majority of firms

[pulsar scarab]

is there 2025 ng open>

[rose holly]

french

[zenith panther]

damn

thats me

[rose holly]

any roles?

[azure zenith]

most firms allow interns to refer

[quasi orbit]

is anyone going to the jump trading thing

[pulsar scarab]

do u wanna get a third 👉 👈

wait I'll dm you

[stone vector]

[9999,10001]

[quasi orbit]

r u international?

[low vault]

Orz jump reach out 😩😩😩😩😩😩😩

[quasi orbit]

no orz

[low vault]

Nou orz

I did not get

[quasi orbit]

thats cuz ur waterloo

it is matter-of-fact school diff

[low vault]

I thought we were pre high on recruiting bar 😩😩😩😩

Ig not for JT

[quasi orbit]

its like 5r

[low vault]

5r just hates Waterloo xd

I don’t think it’s a prestige thing

[deep cargo]

More like 5r doesn’t like anyone besides MIT

[low vault]

I know some1 who go hired from UT Austin 😩

[deep cargo]

lol I’ve seen the guy on li

[low vault]

👀👀👀👀

Nvda winter?

[deep cargo]

Yeah

[tranquil wagon]

Tbf Turing is cracked

[zenith panther]

5r interviewed me

i got rejected tho

cuz im skill issued

[rotund obsidian]

what pos

[low vault]

Oya ik him

Jefferson

[low vault]

Dyk him tooo 😩😩😩😩

No

Do I should?

I might be boacklisted actually

I got to the 1 way interview and just ghosted

So I might not be

i mean itsk inda rude to ghost so i get why

i was just too busy atm

[cerulean hearth]

remo >>

[fresh swallow]

damn akuna really got that auto OA

0 second delay

[quasi orbit]

The 5r one?

[peak vortex]

what role?

[rugged rampart]

Does imc send confirmation email

[midnight scroll]

Isnt IMC not open yet

[leaden panther]

they sent out invites on handshake to some people

[leaden panther]

i didnt get one

[midnight scroll]

damn IMC uses handshake?

[young nimbus]

is it possible to get into quant as a swe without being a cpp pro?

[dire arrow]

what lang u good at

[young nimbus]

Java, Python, I do OA's in Java or Python, I do interviews in Python

[brisk ingot]

yea a good amt of firms have non cpp roles

[dire arrow]

but why not just learn cpp

if ur foundational dsa/comp arch knowledge is good then switching from python to cpp doesnt seem outlandish

[fresh swallow]

plenty of python roles

If you're an experienced dev it'd probably be pretty hard to get a cpp role without prior experience, if you're intern/new grad though definitely possible if you study it hard

[fresh swallow]

swe

[queen sorrel]

15 days, 2 hrs for the coding

[brisk nova]

i didnt get akuna oa am i coooked

[pulsar scarab]

I got rejected from headlands after OA am I cooked

[leaden panther]

i applied and got an email saying they will send the oa but i never got the oa

[brisk nova]

i didnt get any email or anything maybe cuz of grad year idk

[leaden panther]

what year

[brisk nova]

2027

[leaden panther]

i applied for full time also

[leaden panther]

yeah prob that

[drifting imp]

I had a final round with them as a new grad

this year had to do a very similar OA

ended up having a parsing issue and didn’t finish and got rejected

so ya seems like they do need the OA to be correct

[fresh swallow]

how long ago? I applied last night around when I sent that message and just got it

[fresh swallow]

brotha if you're aware of this discord server and trading firms at all as a sophomore you're set lmao

I had never heard of the term "HFT" until my senior year and still managed to get into a lower tier firm

[vague spear]

Optiver swe oa 3.5 hours long is crazy

No way its even worth it to do

[azure zenith]

shouldn't take you that long

[vague spear]

DId you do it?

[azure zenith]

i did one two years ago lol

same principal

it shouldn't take you 3.5 hours

[pulsar scarab]

I felt it was just a badly worded question, and so many hidden test cases kinda pissed me off

[vague spear]

Okay I'll see if i can find the time lol

[pulsar scarab]

I think it is 2 hours for coding and rest is some game

u dont have to take it in one sitting

u can take the coding one first then a few days later take the other

[vague spear]

Do you guys think its even worth it to apply to quant swe roles?

I feel like its just like way more work higher bar all for slighlty higher pay verus tech with less room for progression

[drifting imp]

ya I think the example was also just so verbose

I actually ended up coding the wrong thing because I didn’t understand the question

but then when I saw what the diff was

I realized what they wanted

[pulsar scarab]

I really wanna see the code that passes all test cases, and talk to the person who was able to come up with it

[drifting imp]

ya it’s just not cool

all good they’re in Chicago anyway

pass

[pulsar scarab]

lol I know quite a few people who feel Chicago >>> NYC

[drifting imp]

cope

no ya that’s fine

but all my friends are in ny

[pulsar scarab]

it is lower rent, basically same pay for quant roles and less poop on the streets

[drifting imp]

and I live here already

[pulsar scarab]

yea I am also an NYC>>chicago person

[drifting imp]

idk what do you think of Miami

[pulsar scarab]

lwk it is NYC > Bay area > Chicago

[pulsar scarab]

great for vacations prolly dont wanna live there

though tbh if a company offered me a job there I would gladly move lmao

not many options here

[drifting imp]

where are you rn

[pulsar scarab]

Virginia

a friend of mine worked in NYC and now moved to singapore to work for the same quant role

and she says singapore >> NYC

[drifting imp]

which firm

[hybrid hamlet]

singapore nice as hell

[pulsar scarab]

JS I think

[drifting imp]

o word

that’s cool

hoping to get my hrt final soon

would love to move to Singapore with them

would be a dream

[pulsar scarab]

is it an ro or u applied for 2025>

[drifting imp]

whats ro

[pulsar scarab]

return offer from an internship

[drifting imp]

Im interviewing in the experienced pipeline

[pulsar scarab]

oh lol so u are not a college grad

is the market better for you guys, compared to us college folks

[pulsar scarab]

do u have some top tiers firms that u would prefer? I am still new to the quant side of things, so I am trying to learn more about which companies are good to work at.

[drifting imp]

it’s certainly easier to get interviews coming from another trading firm

and less stressful since I already have a job

Im a dev to be clear

so I think I’m interested in good dev shops

[fresh swallow]

Ever done da vinci capital assessment?

They word it badly on purpose

[pulsar scarab]

never even heard of it

[fresh swallow]

and then you finish your solution and have to start reworking it to align with the test case output

Tbh I should have started by looking at the test cases but it was too late for me at that point

[fresh swallow]

Mostly european firm that was hiring a few devs for their miami office a few months back

[fresh swallow]

I don't understand why anyone would want to live in the bay area

Super expensive for a terrible social scene

[pulsar scarab]

tech jobs, west coast is really pretty, good boba

hella expensive tho

[fresh swallow]

I'd rather live almost anywhere else

[pulsar scarab]

also the warriors and niners are much better than any chicago or nyc sports team

[fresh swallow]

this is kinda off topic tho

anyone done the akuna OA for swe yet and know what to expect?

[leaden panther]

yeah i got the email now

[livid wedge]

wdym by slightly higher pay with less room for progression if ur at the right firms this is not true lol

[lavish marten]

anyone here interviewed w/ stevens capital management

[zenith panther]

@steven

[tender trail]

yeah

[brisk ingot]

afaik it’s leetcode but they care a lot about code style

not sure tho that’s j from talk

[queen sorrel]

did you guys get reached out to?

[brisk ingot]

just applied on the website

[queen sorrel]

and alr got phine damn

wtf

[brisk ingot]

applied last night

but yea

same thing

idts

p sure it’s mediums

but prolly check reddit or smth

interview is only during 9:30am to 5pm rip

have to do it during work

somehow

[queen sorrel]

i mean still thats wuick

[brisk ingot]

crying in 5 days in person

[drifting imp]

no

[brisk ingot]

onsite ill prolly do after i finish my internship

current rounds i’ll j go to the lobby for an hour or so

or during lunch

[fresh swallow]

Tech companies have no interest in trading swe background in my experience

I have an interview with Anduril coming up (similar type of work I guess, performance-sensitive C++) but I haven't had any other tech interviews besides 2 small startups

Perhaps. I didn't work for a big one

But like I have interviewed with citadel, citsec, a few other high paying firms and yet I can't get a call back from the most mediocre tech company

[stone cipher]

The other way

[thin bramble]

It's such a wonder what tech companies are looking for

Appearantly very different from dev at trading firm

[dire arrow]

if ur at top quant shop u can lateral p much anywhere

its just that some maxx prestige quant shops are kinda unknown by avg tech bro/recruiter

like no one knows wtf susquehanna international group is but erryone knows what Apple is

yea anything low latency mission critical is aura

[fresh swallow]

yeah you gotta realize the average tech recruiter is just some random chick who went to maybe a decent school. They're not going to be super informed on niche hft firms

if they're in fact aware whatsoever

[dire arrow]

decent school is a stretch, half these ppl r comms major from southern idaho polytechnic

[fresh swallow]

hence why I said maybe

lol

[dire arrow]

I got L reading

for those who applied akuna trading intern did u get OA yet?

I got like "expect soon" im wondering if yall actually got

[fresh swallow]

Like as weird as it seems to be able to get interviews without any OA at elite shops while recruiters at Affirm ignore your LinkedIn messages these people just have no fucking clue

[full granite]

is c++ gonna help me to get a job at a quant?

bc ive been learning a lot about it lately and usign it mostly

[fresh swallow]

If you want to be SWE, yes

[dire arrow]

quant is too broad of a term dawg u gotta specify

[full granite]

hm what do researchers use more python?

well in chicago

lets just say

chicago companies

maybe citadel?

[dire arrow]

ok but qr, qt, dev

[full granite]

hmm

[fresh swallow]

yeah traders/researchers or front office roles sitting on a desk are gonna be more python heavy

[full granite]

i honestly don't know what i'd want to do

[dire arrow]

if u dont know what u interested in then ur ngmi for now the roles r vastly diff and one skillset wont apply to all

[full granite]

i think a researcher

[dire arrow]

c++ useless then

[full granite]

isnt researcher more about like making the models and thinking more about the future

[dire arrow]

its applying math/stats/ml to financial data in novel ways

[full granite]

hm i mean i think i'd enjoy that more

because a dev you just are following instructions

basically

of the researcher right?

[dire arrow]

u implement the strategies the researchers/traders build

[full granite]

for a dev though c++ matters more right?

it seems like it would be easier to be a dev in quant no?

[dire arrow]

easier than qr ye

but not easy by any means

[full granite]

well in my area the best jobs are quant basically, there is so many quant firms

[dire arrow]

where u go to school

dev is hella selective by school/resume

[full granite]

uni of iowa

[dire arrow]

what year r u

[full granite]

im def not rdy for quant atm anyways

[stone cipher]

Devs have a lot of autonomy too

I think c++ knowledge is not very helpful if you want to be a researcher

[full granite]

but i think i will try to move towards a quant role asap

[dire arrow]

the only pl u need for research is some sort of stats/ml language like R or Python

even matlab would be sufficient

[stone cipher]

I would recommend learning python

I would be surprised if firms are developing in house matlab libraries

But if you know R / matlab its not hard to pick up python

[full granite]

i know python and like some data analysis stuff

[dire arrow]

QR impossible from U Iowa

[full granite]

hm

[dire arrow]

transfer or grad school only option

[full granite]

well what if i got into a top college?

i can get into one maybe but i would have to somehow double major in maybe math on the side

[dire arrow]

tf that mean

[full granite]

well i mean do they just care about the name of the college

[dire arrow]

how do u just know u can get into one

[dire arrow]

a lot

[full granite]

or the degree

[dire arrow]

both

[full granite]

you get from the college?

i can probably get a degree from a top college like some ivies in an unrelated subject

[dire arrow]

says who lmfao

[full granite]

well i have a friend who is a great connection of mine

who would be able to help with this

[dire arrow]

doesnt mean shit lmfaoo

unless ur connection is dean of admissions who u have felony tier dirt on

[full granite]

i can get into like yale

is that a good option?

[dire arrow]

u cannot

[full granite]

okay

whatever you say

[dire arrow]

just fyi

if u could have u would have

[full granite]

i can get a scholarship

[dire arrow]

fasho

[full granite]

no i just wasnt a musician at the time

but i have a friend who can get me a scholarship for the organ

[dire arrow]

bro suddenly became yale scholar musician

[full granite]

well its not that competitive

music

[dire arrow]

where yo ass even find an organ in iowa

[full granite]

well iowa actually

has an organ program as well ironically enough for free

[dire arrow]

it is

[full granite]

i dont even play the organ

i play the piano

but my friend said i can do the organ just fine

because i know many of bachs works

[dire arrow]

aight dawg go major in organ and work at rentech👍

[full granite]

im just saying

if i did get into a top school

well my other friends are top pianists too and they go to top conservatories

it would help me out?

i mean i already have a cs degree from iowa, but i can get another degree for music

[dire arrow]

not really

[full granite]

if it will give me name rec

[dire arrow]

bro the name has value because of associated edu

if I go to harvard for chinese literature why tf would they care abt that

[full granite]

well you said just the name itself mattered earlier

[dire arrow]

erm

a relevant field is kind of a given

[full granite]

well ive heard even coding jesus said if someone was a professional like starcraft player

a quant would actually want to hire them

idk if thats true though

[dire arrow]

pro esports is relevant to trading but it needs to be in conjunction with relevant education

[full granite]

how would pro esports be relevant but not music?

[dire arrow]

esports is relevant to trading

as it is fast paced strategic decision making

not relevant to qr

[full granite]

okay then what are ways to break into quant

if you cant based of school name

should i get into faang then try to get into quant next?

[dire arrow]

what year r u

[full granite]

i just graduated this summer

[dire arrow]

oh never happening then

[full granite]

ive only been coding 2 yrs though

i mean in my city there is tons of quant firms

[dire arrow]

in iowa ? lmao

[full granite]

chicago

i live in chicago

after school

[dire arrow]

why does it matter where u live

these firms hire from wherever

they pay for intern housing

[full granite]

its because i want to work for them

because its in my area

[dire arrow]

go knock door to door and play them a song on the piano

thats best shot

[full granite]

lol

okay what if i get CM on codeforces?

and solve jane st puzzles

is that enough to get into quant?

[dire arrow]

no one CARES abt that shit bro

[full granite]

what do ppl care about then

i also even have some decent finance knowledge i mean ive read some books on finance

[dire arrow]

go to a good school for a relevant degree or do something impactful in industry or academia

[full granite]

but like kind of just poppy stuff: nassim taleb, warren buffet books, benjamin graham

[dire arrow]

finance irrelevant to quant LuL

[full granite]

its mostly just math right?

[full granite]

well i've been talking with one of my profs but i was busy with this one summer course on compiler now im not

but im considering doing research

so just through grad school is the easiest path?

[stone cipher]

I would recommend going to grad school

[full granite]

well im interested in graph theory

[stone cipher]

You can be an intern and be not in school though it's kinda rare

[full granite]

is that useful for quant at all?

[stone cipher]

Not directly but math is always good to know

I don't think you should spend your neural plasticity on graph theory though

[full granite]

what topics do you value then

[stone cipher]

ML is great

[full granite]

hmm

i see

[stone cipher]

I agree about the school part but ML is getting used a lot more now

[pallid forge]

By grad do you mean PhD

[full granite]

so the pplw ith like 1 yoe usually are PHD?

that are working at quatn

[stone cipher]

What does that question mean

Yea a lot of firms are buying up huge gpu clusters

[full granite]

well like does a company like citadel hire someone whos just an undergrad?

it depends on school i guess

[stone cipher]

Yes they have a lot of undergrads

I wish

Idk anything about ml

[pallid forge]

What about for QR?

[stone cipher]

Yes

[full granite]

well im not in a hurry to get a job because i have to help my family anyways at home

but i have time to learn and grow my skills

im just going to grind math

[rose holly]

does imc take sophs?

[split lintel]

Thoughts @primal shell @marsh ocean

[steel elbow]

missed citadel oa 😭

anyone know what email I should contact to ask for an extension

[autumn wagon]

any list of cooldown periods for funds and prop trading companies? I applied to most of them over last year, want to plan when to send the new applications

I know some companies like Optiver list they have 1 year. But some companies like IMC don't list it even tho they still have a 1 year period

[pulsar scarab]

I have a paper published (deep learning) is that considered impactful enough for quant?

[zenith panther]

launchpad program

[zenith panther]

applied?

or theory stuff

just curious

ur prolly fine tho

[pulsar scarab]

Yea applied

Is one better than the other

[zenith panther]

not really

im just curious haha

[dire arrow]

top journal?

[brisk ingot]

voloridge recruiter said they’re starting screening for 2025 roles by end of summer

[pulsar scarab]

Its IEEE idk if that's considered top or not

[dire arrow]

thats fye

is anyone here doing the akuna virtual trading comp

was the OA auto cuz im 90% sure I didnt even submit a resume lmfao\

but I got it like 2+ weeks after applying

[fresh swallow]

it was definitely auto for swe idk about other roles

[dire arrow]

yea i got instant for trader intern

bro they had some lame ass motivation essay req

for the comp

and I only submitted that without a resume

so my ass had to make new email n shit to apply again

[hybrid hamlet]

has anyone tried trading on indian markets for better statarb

[dire arrow]

at scale you cannot compromise liquidity for alpha so nyse is still king

but I honestly think for retail traders there is prob ton of arb ops in like nigerian stock exchange or sum shit

more "dumb money" as they say, but carrying capacity and slippage issues fs need to be watched out for

[hybrid hamlet]

yea like i cant really run any strats on nyse but could defo exploit the wider spreads and inefficiences in more emerging markets

[dire arrow]

with thourough liquidity analysis it doesnt sound like a bad idea

[queen sorrel]

The only thing I can see is brokerages having fees for trading on foreign markets

[dire arrow]

true , infra and fees might be issue aswell

[queen sorrel]

And time zone if it’s not fully systematic

You’ll be asleep without a shut off button

[hybrid hamlet]

ah i'd be trading on an indian brokerage

[dire arrow]

counterparty the indian theta gang

[hybrid hamlet]

yea defo need to study more on this but i feel like it might lead somewhere

also for akuna trading challenge OA, is that the 20 min one?

[queen sorrel]

Bruh 20 min is so nice and short

Why can’t they all be like that

[hybrid hamlet]

i applied to both trading challenge and 201 and idk what i got the oa for 💀

[dire arrow]

mine says 120

the competition one is 75

[hybrid hamlet]

oh thats for intern right

[hybrid hamlet]

oh interesting

[dire arrow]

oh yea r u ng

[hybrid hamlet]

nah intern but i havent applied to those yet

so ig the 201 oa is 20 mins

[queen sorrel]

Yo Relativity when’s Belvedere dropping

[hybrid hamlet]

after i speak to their ceo rq

[dire arrow]

is 201 competitive?

how does apps work

[hybrid hamlet]

i think u just need 101 completion for oa

[dire arrow]

whats the ROI

does it actually help for interviews n shit?

[hybrid hamlet]

top performers on 201 fastracked to final round

[dire arrow]

Oh dats p fye

Is it a pure options course or is there qt stuff

[hybrid hamlet]

nah straight options

[queen sorrel]

Is 101 actually useful

Or is it just like this is an option

[hybrid hamlet]

nah they go pretty in depth with it, good for a background in futures / options

[dire arrow]

do u think i could speedrun 101 in time for 201 apps this szn

How long did it take u

[queen sorrel]

Oh wait they give you fast track for FT not intern damn

[hybrid hamlet]

like week / 2 weeks

[dire arrow]

oh not bad at all

[hybrid hamlet]

probably tbh, i just hit 2x on the lectures anyways

[queen sorrel]

Having a FT QT final jr fall would be crazy

[vague spear]

You guys know when the 201 app closes?

[pulsar scarab]

what's 201 (I am still new to the quant realm)

[queen sorrel]

Akuna 1 week education thing on options

[pulsar scarab]

is that for full timers or interns?

[queen sorrel]

its for co24-26

and if you do well they give you a final round for FT

[fresh swallow]

how important is doing 101 for swe

like why do I need to do that shii

[queen sorrel]

prolly not at all

just trader id assume but idk

[dire arrow]

u should prob have basic understanding of how electronic exchanges work

[midnight scroll]

It only fast tracks for qt/qr I imagine

[dire arrow]

but doesnt matter too much and u fs dont need to. understand greeks n whatnot

[midnight scroll]

How do I break into FAANG Quant

[pulsar scarab]

Does it pay as much as hedge fund quant?

[fresh swallow]

if anybody who did that akuna OA understands what the desired approach is to the final coding question is I'd appreciate an explanation if you want to DM me lol

3rd time I've seen that q and I don't get it

[fresh swallow]

my b I forgot

swe

[fresh swallow]

swe, entry level c++

damn.

[hybrid hamlet]

Pretty sure it’s just regular qt questions

[solid rampart]

is js phone auto

[deep cargo]

Yeah they give phones to every single one of the tens of thousands of kids that apply 🔥

[solid rampart]

fuck

i just want 1 non auto oa

[pulsar scarab]

I think he is being sarcastic

[solid rampart]

i was trolling too lol

mb TS

[pulsar scarab]

I have applied to JS three times in the past three years and got auto reject every time

[fresh swallow]

JS are haters

[pulsar scarab]

I'm scared to apply now without a ref

[fresh swallow]

get a math degree and then they'll give you an interview apparently

I know a guy who went to same school as me, did no extracurriculars, no internships, got JS swe interview and was math major

[pulsar scarab]

What if my thesis is basically a math degree but the name is engineering

[solid rampart]

yeah

[deep cargo]

We both were lol

[solid rampart]

oh together? 🫶

[dire arrow]

bro akuna OA was so hard

for trader

i thought it was gonna be sum light dp

[lethal cape]

yeah deadass lol

[misty scaffold]

Do quants blacklist u if u don’t do their oa? Kinda dont wanna do akuna oa

[lethal cape]

the one that says "quant and trading coding challenge"

yeah i couldnt figure out one of them

yeah go for it

[deep cargo]

No

[dire arrow]

its python

wait I did the qt competition one

i havent done the reg qt one yet

[cerulean hearth]

did someone really get fired from imc for cheating? Or just bad performance

An intern I mean

[lilac garden]

cheating how

[pulsar plinth]

yeah

[brisk ingot]

yup

[lilac garden]

nobody wants to elaborate

[brisk ingot]

there was a reddit post

from an imc intern asking someone to do his project work

[pulsar scarab]

I trust Reddit as much as I trust my AI models

[brisk ingot]

i mean written by the person lmao

[pulsar scarab]

Do you have the link to the post?

Ong I've seen interviews be harder than the actual job

Doesn't a question get discarded from the question bank once used?

[lilac garden]

isnt there only like one question

[pulsar scarab]

For onsite interviews or OA? For onsite there gotta be multiple

[lilac garden]

final i mean

[pulsar scarab]

is akuna's c++ entry level the only one for ng?

what about QR/QD?

[cerulean hearth]

crazy fumble

[rose holly]

some dumbass was asking for reddit for help in their internal trading comp

[cerulean hearth]

oh i thought they paid someone to do their interview or smth

getting fired for asking reddit gotta be one of the dumbest ways you can fumble

[solid rampart]

omg u got js phone??

[dawn crystal]

Wtf sig oa has 21 questions in an hour

Are you supposed to finish all of them to land an interview??

[paper nebula]

Any previous radix candidates i could chat w

[exotic eagle]

anyone know old mission qt oa cutoff

[hybrid hamlet]

probably

idk im ngmi

[abstract oxide]

Is this for internship? Didn’t know that they have one

[abstract oxide]

For qt intern?

[rose holly]

can sophs not apply to the normal program then?

[young nimbus]

anyone applying t janestreet have ocaml on their resume?

I know they don't expect it, but I've actually studied the programming language for a class.

[neon mirage]

Congrats on Cornell

[young nimbus]

It wasn't the purpose of the class, it's a class on programming languages

I just studied Go and OCaml over the semester

[acoustic tendon]

how is cit first 45 technical

[fresh swallow]

what team?

when I interviewed with ETE it was very chill

[acoustic tendon]

its first round, didnt specify team

is it around lc mediums

or can i expect hards

[fresh swallow]

oh is this for ng? I'm not sure

[acoustic tendon]

intern

[brisk ingot]

yea technical

[fresh swallow]

Yeah I won't be too much help then sorry

[acoustic tendon]

no problem

[brisk ingot]

can be anything, but usually a leetcode problem

[acoustic tendon]

i see

[brisk ingot]

but they can ask a bunch of trivia if they want

[acoustic tendon]

whats lc difficulty approx

[brisk ingot]

myself and friends have gotten hards, but they sometimes give mediums

but not like the crazy difficult hards

[acoustic tendon]

ah i see yikes

i gotta prep for hards in that case ig

[brisk ingot]

sliding window maximum or smth like that

one of the relatively straightforward hards

[acoustic tendon]

i see

im hoping its lc and not some quant or math problem

[brisk ingot]

usually won’t be the latter

but there’s always a chance yk

[acoustic tendon]

true

[brisk ingot]

no framework for their interviews

[acoustic tendon]

ill do some prep just in case

[brisk ingot]

whatever the interviewer feels like on the day

[acoustic tendon]

damn

and is it fine if i schedule my interview next friday

so i have some time to prep

hopefully it doesnt look bad

[brisk ingot]

yea that should be fine

i took like 3 months total during my process last year

scheduling stuff like 2-3 weeks in the fugure

[acoustic tendon]

ah i see

[open cedar]

@brisk ingot what about os or cpp trivia?

[acoustic tendon]

yea did u ever get asked any os / threading style low level qs

[brisk ingot]

could get that

i got asked networking trivia

[acoustic tendon]

in first round?

[brisk ingot]

like a given networking situation, how would u design a system to solve a set issue

[brisk ingot]

yea

[acoustic tendon]

oh boy

[brisk ingot]

prolly won’t be that in-depth though

v surface level questions

but can’t rule out them asking that

[acoustic tendon]

true

[brisk ingot]

idk abt cpp trivia, but i got asked if i knew a modern cpp feature that would make coding one part of my solution easier

during one of my onsite rounds

[acoustic tendon]

hm ig its situational

[open cedar]

Did you take classes that taught that type of stuff?

[brisk ingot]

yea

also just self studied some os/networking

idt i took computer networks atp, took it last semester

[hybrid hamlet]

Wait are u swe?

[brisk ingot]

yea

[hybrid hamlet]

Oh I thought u were qt this entire time lmao

[brisk ingot]

doing some qt processes but mostly swe yea

like flow

[hybrid hamlet]

did u get that email

[acoustic tendon]

💀

yikes

what topics

graphs?

dp?

was it for intern or ft

💀

that sounds lowkey rough

yea thats a good idea

thanks

btw did they ask u any networking / non lc qs in first round?

for swe??

tf

for pandas i literally go by the documentation

they made u do another technical after 3 onsites??

i see

did u end up getting an offer

damn unfortunate

[fresh swallow]

This is so wild

they're out here asking interns 6 hards and asking fulltimers 2 lc easy/mediums and a takehome

like what

[acoustic tendon]

ig i got 7 days to grind tf outta this

[hybrid hamlet]

@brisk ingot what stage r u in flow process

did u get reach out?

[brisk ingot]

hr phone before the onsite

i did a program earlier in the year so was expedited

[pallid berry]

yo did u get the ETE offer??

[pallid berry]

i think i had 1 or 2 hards but all the questions i got were very fair imo

[acoustic tendon]

do u remember the qs u had if u dont mind me asking

[pallid berry]

not rly no

[fresh swallow]

nah I fucked up the takehome lol

my laptop had broken the week before so I was doing it on my pc

[pallid berry]

i think it was mostly dp and graphs?

[pallid berry]

damn i thot i met someone on my team 😭

[fresh swallow]

dude it was so bad I wasted 40 minutes trying to get input in from a file cause I'd never coded on windows before

and then I switched to this super slow macbook I borrowed from my girlfriend instead

I know I coulda done itotherwise lol

like i thought i was doing sum wrong but it was just I had to change my ide settings

[pulsar plinth]

is drw screen really strict? got rejected really quickly

[hybrid hamlet]

Ahh

[livid wedge]

it’s not super strict but they interview a lot less candidates cuz they only take like 8 swe interns

maybe a little more forget the actual number

[pastel quartz]

Anyone in QR process Optiver,DRW type place or been in it before?

[rose holly]

yes I used cpp

[livid wedge]

uh not really

I got the offer last year and it wasn’t that many people

I think they brought 40 people to the onsite and gave out 12 offers or something

[pulsar plinth]

is it same for trading?

[livid wedge]

no remote

I didn’t accept the offer

[cursive granite]

yeh i got it

have you done it yet

[zenith panther]

who interviewed u

[zenith panther]

waiiiitttt

[stiff elbow]

Wait flow has internships?

[fresh swallow]

don't remember the names, two older white guys

[sinful geyser]

it's probably only two questions

[white wave]

does anyone know drw ng swe tc + what career progression looks like

[weary nacelle]

How tough is old mission process

[deep cargo]

🤔

[rose holly]

around 330k unsure about progression

[rose holly]

they stack rank very hard but questions are not bad

[weary nacelle]

I don’t win stack ranks sadly but thanks for the info :/

[broken sparrow]

which chapters of green book are the most important for sig and optiver qt intern interviews?

or any other problems/contcpets that are must know

do i need to know stoch calc for quant intern interiviews? for sig and optiver

[queen sorrel]

charlie i thought you were trying to figure that out too

[drifting imp]

has anyone interviewed with tower or cubist

[brisk nova]

can i get those too 🙏

[midnight scroll]

amazon

[hybrid hamlet]

anyone know how many questions sig qt oa is?

[pulsar plinth]

when did yall apply for sig qt

i applied in may but still havent heard back yet

[void sorrel]

The fact you asked about sde2 senior or principal shows you have no idea how quant firms work. It’s flat

[fresh swallow]

you can get promoted to manager

at some places

[dire arrow]

can someone help me with EV question

Idk if Im mentally handicapped or sum

[hybrid hamlet]

yes send

[dire arrow]

bet ill dm u

[full granite]

https://www.quantymacro.com/fx-european-commodities-mean-reversion/

found this guys artcles quite interesting

[peak echo]

21

[bleak sorrel]

did anyone apply to sig swe and get a diff oa

do they give out qt oas to all applicants just to test math skills

[hybrid hamlet]

its different from previous years right

cuz i know last year it was 16 questions 20 mins

now its an hour

[peak echo]

idk abt prev years but yea its now 21 qeustions in an hour

[hybrid hamlet]

what sort of questions? just typical probability?

[peak echo]

yea p much

[hybrid hamlet]

bet thanks

[brisk nova]

anyone know anything about optinomicon

[dire arrow]

Can you dm if you have done akuna trading competition oa

[brisk ingot]

citadel gave lululemon shirts at a recruiting event

jesus christ they have too much money

[zenith panther]

do u have an extra 🥺

[stray sentinel]

Funny guy

[drifting imp]

has anyone talked to cubist?

[fresh swallow]

damn. My citadel shirt from career fair is ass quality

[hybrid hamlet]

i didnt even have time to hit up citadel smh

[deep cargo]

Didn’t get invited 😔

[brisk ingot]

rip

[zenith panther]

same

[deep cargo]

Not enough money for Wecu and ST 😔

[zenith panther]

🤯

[brisk ingot]

it was so funny talking to some of the chicago FTers who snuck in while they flew NYC employees in

[low vault]

KEPL or not KEPL?

[drifting imp]

not kepl I think

[hybrid hamlet]

has anyone done sig qt oa

[stiff elbow]

I didn't get

Is it auto?

[elder quail]

same here, I was expecting a coding oa but got the same as you. Are we supposed to do it for the swe role?

[thin bramble]

What does HRT reachout mean

[broken thorn]

p (optiver interview | didnt get kicked out of OA)?

[queen sorrel]

They don’t kick you out of OA unfortunately

[broken thorn]

they stopped that?

im so cooked then

[queen sorrel]

Ig so

Bc I failed and went through the whole thing, even tho I failed sequences

[broken thorn]

yeah i think i failed sequences too

but my friend also did bad at them and has r1

prayge

[broken thorn]

how long to get feedback

[queen sorrel]

1-2 days

[peak echo]

varies

could be as quick as 1 day

up to a week or so

[broken thorn]

do you know something new within the past 2 years? cuz 2 years ago i did make it through the oa and get rejected

so even back then it didnt always auto reject mid test

[queen sorrel]

I mean this was 2 weeks ago

[pastel sage]

is the hrt office open on fridays to visitors or is that a myth?

could any hrt-ers confirm?

[broken thorn]

but rejection without being kicked out is old news

unless u know of someone who did horrific on 80 in 8 or something and didnt get kicked out then we dont know that they stopped kicking ppl out

[low vault]

yeah, from 3-7 or 4-8pm or something like that

friend works at hrt

[hybrid hamlet]

yo fuck sequences

[queen sorrel]

I got either 10 or 12

[peak echo]

they res screen after oa, so its possible you passed oa but not res screen

[dusty pollen]

anyone taken easyhire for akuna quant dev yet?