quants-n-traders

[low vault]

ok i lied its more like 2.5

225k .. / yr?

dang

i thought avg big tech was like 150 or smth

really dang

* looks at nvidia levels *

nop

maybe i should go to their presentations idk

that's pretty fair

seems like quant generally has more money to throw at interns

and activites, etc.

someone from my school told me it was something liek that

LOL

uh i mean desco seems alright

no c++ tho which is sadge

😭

oh

iirc they have some c/c++ for like

optimizing their tooling or some shit

"make jupyter go faster please"

LOL WAIT

I REMEMBER THIS

THEY ONLY HAVE CHICKEN SALAD

the cookies were banger though

wait y

recruiter gave me some at the end when we passed the snack area

oh desres

makes sense

water u doin instead

:o

ooo noice

si it hft

brb exporting all of the back office work to india

(i think this is literally what they do LOL)

in-person is productivity boost 😩

i heard they're like

you have to take like at least 3 weeks or something to decide

LOL

i think one of my friends tried to accept it outright and got told that

here 😩 say 😎 (welcome to quant)

that would be so hipster if they let you keep it

prob for the ppl that wnated to do qt but onlt got swe instead

ive met >0 people that fit that bill

its possible depending on the firm tho no?
but also i definitely don't think someone should go into qswe with the mindset of "i actually want to be a trader and fuck swe"

ah makes sense

[little oxide]

Thanks bro

I'm subscribed

Good website

But improve the UI

[carmine temple]

anyone here working at a quant firm as a trader

need some quick resume help

[austere berry]

hey guys, I want to know how hard it is to break into quant as a fresher?

[ruby fog]

impossibe

yo

[little oxide]

Ok

[peak egret]

Make sure to have these projects on ur resume:
MERN discord clone
Calculator app
Chess engine
Todo list
Tic tac toe game
Automated trading bot

[north slate]

how necessary is a masters degree to become a quant, or would just a cs bachelors degree suffice ?

[weary nacelle]

Would a Monte Cristo pricing simulator bc good enough?

[tough elm]

that would be kinda funny so it probably works

[low vault]

Some good project ideas that quant and faang recruiters have told me about:
MERN discord clone
Calculator app
Chess engine
Todo list
Tic tac toe game
Automated trading bot

[lost leaf]

Some good project ideas that metlife php dev recruiter told me about:
tensor algebra compiler
realtime physically based renderer
gpt-6
holy C compiler

[modern bolt]

i'm new to this server, why does everybody copy and paste this message

[twin verge]

because it's fucking funny

[little oxide]

They trolling ur ugly ass

[willow portal]

Some good project ideas that quant and faang recruiters have told me about:

Linear regression model generating quantum field theory

Proving P = NP with automated theorem prover

Visualizing real parts of all non-trivial zeros of the Riemann zeta function with matplotlib

[lost leaf]

Some bad project ideas that a random undergrad at ole miss told me about:

• experimental methods that generate attosecond pulses of light for the study of electron dynamics in matter
• physical modelling of Earth’s climate, quantifying variability and reliably predicting global warming
• generating high-intensity, ultra-short optical pulses
• contributions to the LIGO detector and the observation of gravitational waves

[low vault]

Because they are some good project ideas that quant and faang recruiters have told me

[rose holly]

I told a recruiter I enjoy providing liquidity to the markets during call and they started laughing

[low vault]

A laugh of respect, of course

[willow portal]

Ever since I was a little boy, I wanted to improve the world by providing liquidity to the markets

[little oxide]

Sit rat

[split lintel]

This will sound stupid but

but belvegoat's culture and mission really speak to me

[midnight scroll]

https://www.reuters.com/legal/big-hedge-fund-firm-millennium-sued-by-jane-street-allegedly-stealing-strategy-2024-04-12/?utm_source=reddit.com

Puts on Millenium

I will no longer aim for a 3.7 GPA

[little oxide]

Belve💀

[little oxide]

Look who's suing , the SBF supporter

Ironic

[little oxide]

No he aint

Real ones run outside

[near nymph]

hrt's culture and mission really speak to me because i loooooove gambling RAHHHH

[hot tree]

anyone gone through DE SHAW intern interview process?

[rose holly]

nope, you're the first ever

[low vault]

nope, you're the first ever

[midnight scroll]

just go to glassdoor and the usual routes

Honestly the answer 80% of the time when someone asks X question is just, go to glassdoor and LC tagged

Glassdoor such a cheat code honestly god bless

[low vault]

Desco otnerview qiestions are math.random

[little oxide]

Yeah

[low vault]

impossible

@ beanie is the first

[stray sentinel]

Glassdoor questions are so outdated though

[little oxide]

lol

[keen linden]

Has anyone ever interviewed for the Software Developer position at DE Shaw?

[potent dome]

is cubist hackathon auto accept or worth going to?

[weary nacelle]

No, you’re the first ever 🥺

(FYI people refer to it as desco on here)

[low vault]

@ beanie

[quasi orbit]

de shaw is still hiring?

[peak egret]

^

I can’t find openings or anything

[keen linden]

A head hunter reached out to me

[low vault]

they team match extremely late

like <1mo before the start date

[queen pendant]

It’s a hackathon

When has a hackathon ever been worth going to

Can’t think of a lot of things worse than sitting in a room with a couple hundred cs majors for 2 days straight working on a gpt wrapper

[potent dome]

would it not help with getting int he recrutiing process or anything there?

[weary nacelle]

Bros actually spitting facts

[quasi orbit]

Don’t most places do that

[low vault]

Huh i didnt know

Is it common in faang?

[quasi orbit]

Maybe not faang

But prob quant

[low vault]

O

Xd

[low vault]

But no segfaults in java😎

[little oxide]

Idk

[low vault]

if u got stupid thots ur ngmi in quant

[little oxide]

Fr

[winged dove]

How I would go about it For (1) I would rather have an higher expected value. The win rate is heavily dependent on the execution and consistency of your stegery/model

[winged dove]

Not sure tbh I would have to do some more research

Speaking of which how is risk quant ? Seems like most finance places treat it IT (i.e a cost center)

[midnight scroll]

Ev alone is risky. doesn't account for volatility. Think venture capital. High EV that is boosted by the few wins. Most of the time they lose money constantly

But yeah idk u just probably day some arbitrary thing about balancing for risk tolerance

[winged dove]

That is true hard to debate consisnt returns vs high ev

But then again it depends on how the firm is doing their trading

[low vault]

Has anyone ever interviewed for the Software Developer position at DE Shaw?

[quasi orbit]

me

[low vault]

Damn

Did u get in?

[quasi orbit]

Yes

[rose holly]

Has anyone ever interviewed for the Software Developer position at DE Shaw?

[low vault]

omg will u marry me

[vocal sluice]

hello, I am new to the server, can someone help me with some kind of a roadmap or requirements for a quant role?

i aim to be a quant analyst or trader not a sde at a quant company

i am a first year cs undergrad

i am keen about finance

not trying to betray anyonne

it would be really helpful if you could help

[neon mirage]

hello, I am new to the server, can someone help me with some kind of a roadmap or requirements for a quant role?

[low vault]

artofproblemsolving.com

[rancid fable]

hello, I am new to the server, can someone help me with some kind of a roadmap or requirements for a quant role?

[gentle compass]

hello, I am new to the server, can someone help me with some kind of a roadmap or requirements for a quant role?

[peak egret]

Yes! First, you should get started on some cool projects that quant and faang recruiters have told me about:
MERN discord clone
Calculator app
Chess engine
Todo list
Tic tac toe game
Automated trading bot

[little oxide]

Fr cook him

[vague moat]

What kind of resouorces should look into for being a quant?

[midnight scroll]

Yes! First, you should get started on some cool projects that quant and faang recruiters have told me about:
MERN discord clone
Calculator app
Chess engine
Todo list
Tic tac toe game
Automated trading bot

[low vault]

So for the quants here: what is the difference between a roll-in shower and a room with a bathtub?

This is very relevant to my future in Quant

[lyric summit]

is this a copypasta

[queen pendant]

Prestige wise:
Individual bathtub and shower >>> standing shower >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bathtub shower

[peak egret]

anyone here heard of volridge investment management

[peak egret]

this is for 25 summer

i accepted ms

morgan stanley

i shall be a lowly swe there this summer

second to the chad IB kids

Nah

Msft sucks teez anyways

Yes

No

I pipeline quant

And by pipeline I mean pipe

I pipe quant

[low vault]

True need to prestigemax my bath

[deep cargo]

I pledge allegiance to the bag 💰

[peak egret]

BASED

my bio is better tho

I only popped outta my momma for the bag and that’s on god

[low vault]

How prestigious is ADA certified

[peak egret]

How about section 8 housing

That’s the real presteigemaxxing

Making the gov pay for ur house

[low vault]

odourmaxxing

[near nymph]

do you guys still do math competitions and stuff in college, like the putnam

or is it just interview prep

[low vault]

I did Putnam in 1st yr

And then forgot to register after that xd

[near nymph]

ig for the non math world toppers

i did do aops and aime in hs but very much doubt that'd be enough to send it

[deep cargo]

im pretty sure aime is more than enough

[wintry swallow]

anyone here works at de shaw?

[weary nacelle]

Bros him wtf

[willow portal]

for quant feel like knowing Linux and systems in and out and C++ is almost more important than algos

[little oxide]

Tf

[near nymph]

dude facts putnam practice was so humbling i just gave up 💀

[low vault]

Putnam doable tbh

[low vault]

Our region have bad problems

We also got 1st ac during regionals w a wrong solution

[winged dove]

Ooof

Hmmm this may sound like a noob question but isn't doing deep learning/ml research for quant basically being a quant researcher at that point ?

[winged dove]

I ask because i've been lightly browsing arxiv and seeing a lot of ml spammed for finance so I just thought I would ask

I still decided to apply for the role anyways since it looks intrestring

[peak egret]

QRs goal is to find alpha

I guess it depends on how XTX structures their teams

Imagine doing comp math

Couldn’t be me

Didn’t even do it in hs

[winged dove]

I did comp programming I wanted to Putnam but was forced to focus in other classes

[winged dove]

Makes sense might be worth it if I got the position to just to get into deep learning stuffs

Still wanna do Alibaba contest before heading back to graduate school

[low vault]

Whats this ayo

What date/time

[winged dove]

https://m.damo.alibaba.com/alibaba-global-mathematics-competition?language=en

https://www.xtxmarkets.com/career/tradinganalystxtxny/

Got an interview for a similar role at a sports betting place

[low vault]

Oh wait i thoight it was programming

But damn LMAO

[winged dove]

XTX is very hard so I’m not expecting anything from them

[winged dove]

Codeforces and CTF is the best for that even playing in those things post undergrad has a lot of value

[low vault]

Poat undergrad

Ive basically accepted that i wont WF at this point

Used to do CF, peaked around grade 12/1st yr uni

It feels kinda pointless to seriously practice now, i dunno

[winged dove]

Nahh still worth reviewing and grinding for interviews to keep skills fresh

Once your on the job then can work and learn on intrestring side projects

[midnight scroll]

XTX has a lot of pure ML research

Arent they one of the largest GPU owning companies (outside of quant as well)

Like you probably have people whose sole job is GPU optimization or something which is 100% unrelated to anything finance

or other model optimization things

[willow portal]

Alex Gerko is goated

[low vault]

East Central NA problem F

We shared psets with GNY and NENA xdxdxdxd

Lol my wrong code beat mit

[winged dove]

Seems like quant isn’t just solely alpha research tho at certain places

[midnight scroll]

I mean yeah XTY is purely working for ML research, no alpha

Although you work with the quant teams in XTX I guess

[peak egret]

No way lol I think ik the place ur talking about

[winged dove]

Ehh I still applied non alpha research just seems more fun

[winged dove]

Which place do you have in mind ?

[midnight scroll]

I think I remember seeing a GPU optimization role a while ago

SIG just opened up a prediction market trading desk as well

[peak egret]

It’s called like confidential or smth

[winged dove]

Is the role in the US ? Every time I try for foreign companies for quant I get told my profile looks nice but they can’t do sponsorship

[winged dove]

I can dm you the place

[midnight scroll]

SIG is US yeah

[peak egret]

Yes that one

Idk I just checked my email

[midnight scroll]

the prediction market desk is very very new though

doubt theyre hiring anyone for that role specifically

[winged dove]

They have offices in the US

But link me the role 👀

[peak egret]

Wait where are u from zophiel

[midnight scroll]

oh is it

[winged dove]

United States

And that’s what sucks about it

[peak egret]

Oh are u itl?

[winged dove]

Nahh I was born in the US live in the US

[peak egret]

Oh bruh I was reading this backwards then

My b lol

[midnight scroll]

I mean US is probably the best country to be from

[peak egret]

I was born in Egypt

[winged dove]

Well the market is rough so getting spnorship has been difficult for foreign work

[peak egret]

RAAAAH

WHAT’S A STABLE ECONOMY

[winged dove]

Seen a lot of international candidates get fucked because of this

[peak egret]

Yeah it sucks tbh

[winged dove]

Employers don’t wanna pay the sponsorship process to get someone on board unless they have serious experience

It seems candidates gunning for alpha research has left a lot of other things open

[low vault]

Im past the point of marginal benefit to interviewing atp

Tho i do know a guy who does cf at my summer place

For funsies uwu

[winged dove]

At a certain point interview prep just becomes review and exciting stuff is real projects/courses

[low vault]

I mean even in CP

There are interesting hard problems

[winged dove]

That is true

[low vault]

Imo u dont really gain leetcode proficiency in interviews past like CF 1900 or so

Which admittedly is an arbitrary af number

[winged dove]

Still tons of ways besides cf once you do a bunch of lc every now and then it comes back

I think people get sick of lc because the same questions get spammed

[low vault]

Im just scared of ratibg loss XD

But not a good habit to be afraid of thag

[winged dove]

I’ll be getting back to grinding lc/math

[low vault]

LC p4 usually interesting

[winged dove]

Yeah there are some nice ones I came across

[peak egret]

friggin nerds

[low vault]

dont u diss my segment tree beats

[vivid shale]

[winged dove]

@rose holly outside of quant in particular most places are asking for like 1-2 years of experience right out of the gate within the US and companies have started to open offices internationally. My plan was if I could was to hop to some place like the UK take the paycut and get some valuable experience then come back

[long raft]

Don’t want to kill your enthusiasm but the uk it’s not better 😂 you compete with people from all around the world (because it’s easier to get into the uk than us), cost of living is extremely high compared to salaries and graduate positions are not easy to get

[winged dove]

Yeah i'm aware but I thought it would be worth the shot since a lot of international grads are coming here leaving spots open in the internationally

Like I get told my profile is nice but they can't provide sponsorship

Even labs are looking pretty packed right now for most of them you will need PhD

I tried to hit INL but they cancelled the position and reopened the position you would have to be a PhD now

[winged dove]

I know 😭

[undone rose]

is peak6 any good

[winged dove]

Nahh still grinding for quant have another trading OA I’ve gotta do

[static musk]

compared to what

nothings better than capital one

[peak egret]

where are u finding these apps bruh

[peak egret]

pretty cool place yeah

[winged dove]

The place is at: https://www.sgcaptrading.com/

I just made a small list of high ranking to low tier quant firms and have been hitting every place I can

[winged dove]

In what regards ? Regardless everything is compeittive now so best bit is try to hit everything you can and keep your eyes open

US it's ranked #87 and world rank it's #220

https://research.webometrics.info/en/north_america/united states of america

https://www.adscientificindex.com/university/Sandia+National+Laboratories/

Different sites give conflicting numbers on the extact postion but it's considered top 100 in the US so make of that what you will

Of course where it really matters is the subfield tbh I think for Physics/Astro it's ranked 11th

Again a top ranked lab should have a diverse portfilo of research to sink your teeth into

[midnight scroll]

cant wait to work on nukes @ Sandia

my job is transferring floppy disk code to usb

[midnight scroll]

where do you even find these wtf

[winged dove]

Lolololol

Heck even I’m seeing quant postions require 1 year of expeience prior to starting

https://www.scientechresearch.io/career-quantitative-developers

[peak egret]

oh are u going for ng?

im a lowly soph

[winged dove]

Yes

[peak egret]

gl broski

its tuff out there

tbh the more i look into it

the more i think id like a dev role

idk working on models and low latencyt platforms is kinda cool

[winged dove]

I have like one tech offer cooking so I have been using time to try to grab more stuff

[winged dove]

Note that a lot of quant firms outside of the big names keep to themselves and are paying 🤑

[peak egret]

^^

Smth a lot of people don’t realize

You get a 10 person shop running lean with good strats in a niche

Lots of money to go around

[pastel sage]

any advice for an incoming freshman at a non-target for getting a dev role? (not trading) I take it systems courses (architecture, compilers, os, distributed, networks) and competitive programming are helpful, anything else?

[peak egret]

In ur bank account

[peak egret]

Eat sleep and breathe lc

Focus on getting an internship somewhere first

Or do research as a freshman

[pastel sage]

ha, i figured

[peak egret]

Point is you apply to enough places somewhere will give you a shot

You don’t wanna blow it

Ask me how I know

[pastel sage]

how do you know

[peak egret]

That was rhetorical

[pastel sage]

lmao, i thought it went over my head... i guess it did

[peak egret]

lol I’m just saying that’s what happened to me

Got an interview someplace and I blew it lol

So just be prepared, get some research or big tech thing first and send to tha moon

[pastel sage]

that's actually why i was asking, i got accepted into a competitive program at jane street for the summer, and i'm guaranteed an interview next year, so i was wondering what i could do to study

[peak egret]

Bruh

You’re further along than 90% of ppl here including me 💀

[pastel sage]

the program i got into isn't a cs internship, it's more of a summer camp

[peak egret]

Ik the one you’re talking about

[pastel sage]

the only advantage i have is that i'm guaranteed an interview, not an internship

[mellow aurora]

fttp?

[pastel sage]

amp

[mellow aurora]

bruh

amp guarantees an interview?

[pastel sage]

i believe so... i talked to two former attendees

[mellow aurora]

wack

[pastel sage]

it's not written anywhere, so my take is purely anecdotal

[mellow aurora]

anyway

don't get too excited, iirc it's mostly upper years that pass

although if you get through interview rounds you start next year at that round

but then fail and blacklisted

[peak egret]

One of my friends interviewed at js

He did well but didn’t get it

[pastel sage]

i know this may be a formality, but doesn't jane street say if you fail an interview you can try again after a year or so?

[mellow aurora]

that just means they haven't blacklisted you

[peak egret]

Other guy interviewed for qr there and said it was the hardest thing he’d done in his life kekw

[mellow aurora]

and what i said refers to finals i forgot

[peak egret]

unironically tho

[pastel sage]

i'm specifically talking about qd, i'm not trying for a trading or research role

[peak egret]

just be comfortable w lc hards

shud be fine ngl

really?

im very comfortable w hards

if u know what i mean

[mellow aurora]

i know someone who interviewed at js and apparently in the phone round they asked him some integral which was supposedly unsolvable in an undefined form, and the phone interviewer went "if you were smart you'd try it"

[peak egret]

[mellow aurora]

but this is all hearsay

[mellow aurora]

use ocaml and they'll fall over backwards

[peak egret]

this doesnt make any sense lol what

why are they even asking integrals

[mellow aurora]

again idk not my story

i try not to talk to that guy too much

[peak egret]

balls

all in all im ngmi

[pastel sage]

i tried learning ocaml just for fun, i hated the syntax. i read a few of the jane street tech blogs, and i felt as though they could've used literally any other language, and that they were trying to be different and quirky somehow

[mellow aurora]

sounds right

[peak egret]

my friend took a class in ocaml

he goes to umd

was glazing it so hard 😭

he was like no wonder js uses it!!!

[mellow aurora]

maryland 💀

[peak egret]

bro its just a language

[peak egret]

i live in jersey bro ion wanna hear it

[pastel sage]

they hold seminars and talks to justify using ocaml and they fail every time

[mellow aurora]

at least in jersey you can pretend you live in nyc

maryland has....

[pastel sage]

one of the reasons that may have been applicable when they were a smaller firm is that it was a lot easier to hire good ocaml developers as opposed to good cpp devs. if you were writing ocaml in 2003, you knew what you were doing

[peak egret]

damn

instead of being in the womb in 2003 i shoulda been programming ocaml

😔

[pastel sage]

adding onto this, do some firms auto reject at the resume screen when they determine you go to a non target? i think five rings does for mit, but i'm assuming this is an isolated case?

[peak egret]

i go to rutgers bru

i know several people who have interented, are interning or working ft at a quant place

its def harder but dont give them an excuse to screen u

(bro goes to uchicago)

[mellow aurora]

is rutgers good? i've heard extremely mixed things

[pastel sage]

that's good to hear

[peak egret]

good in that its nationally recognizable

not much else tbh

its not "presteigious"

[mellow aurora]

only reason i ask is because one of my not all that intelligent friends applied and got in

[peak egret]

but people know where you went

[peak egret]

its a state school wym 💀

has a 50% acceptance rate

[mellow aurora]

oh is it?

[peak egret]

ya

[mellow aurora]

idk i just saw it semi high on ranking lists and was like wtf

[peak egret]

i pay 2k a semster in tuition 😎

thank u merit scholarships

[mellow aurora]

rad if u got quants n shit there

[peak egret]

few but they exist

[pastel sage]

when i say my school is non-target, i don't mean uchicago level haha

[peak egret]

uchicago is a target breh

[pastel sage]

as far as quant, we sent one guy to HRT (algo dev), a JS trader, and a Citadel SWE, so people have done it before

i guess i'll have to ask them what classes they took

i joined their comp. programming server and asked the same question, but they all graduated obviosly so i couldn't ask them

[mellow aurora]

how is caltech 15th on qs

[peak egret]

balls

[mellow aurora]

is qs just mad skewed against academia

[peak egret]

the hell is qs

[mellow aurora]

https://www.topuniversities.com/world-university-rankings?page=0

[peak egret]

people use colleges as a scape goat

dont let it stop u !!!

u can do it!!!

(no u cant)

[mellow aurora]

that must be heaps competitive

[peak egret]

i was being sarcastic oml

[winged dove]

I imagine most peoples plan is to work for a bit then hit graduate school so uni rankings within a subfield become quite important

[haughty hinge]

Yeah free this guy

[midnight scroll]

ocaml is neat

I wouldn't be a fan of working in it, but it is kinda "elegant" what some simple code in it can do

[night cove]

Wrong

[midnight scroll]

umd cmsc330 project 6 🔥

https://github.com/cmsc330fall23/cmsc330fall23/blob/main/projects/project6.md

[pastel sage]

again, this was purely anecdotal, if you were a part of the program, could you elaborate?

[night cove]

I know people who didnt get interviews

[pastel sage]

are you implying that most attendees who applied for an internship got an interview, and only some didn't get interviews? or were most AMP students not given an interview?

[night cove]

idk the exact breakdown but most that I know did

[pastel sage]

gotcha, i'm assuming you were a part of the first AMP batch since Jane Street usually doesn't give out freshman internships?

[night cove]

yes

[half walrus]

Hey dec 2023 grad here, i was able to get a new grad offer (super grateful for it) and actually ended up taking it. Ive always wanted to work at a quant and was wondering if i should apply as a new grad (and hide the fact i already started a job) or apply to their regular non NG roles with my new experience?

[ancient lake]

probably should apply for accelerator

im a swe at g rn. someone give me motivation to study LC

honestly cannot be fucked but i want to move to a trading shop

[rapid mesa]

lol

this is true but like

u still need to say smart things in order to pass

not just about getting a sol

[little oxide]

that only u can do

br rizz

[peak egret]

fair enough, but id argue a smaller firm has way better ops to learn

also idt these types of places hire ngs

[winged dove]

At least with a smaller firm it would be more likely you would get an offer from them

With bigger places it would be quite some time to even hear back from them sometimes definitely worth hitting up smaller firms imo

[peak egret]

smaller firm = less people to actually do all the work

so id imagine youre more likely to get thrown to the wolves

and have to figure stuff out

youd also probably get more responsibilities because of the fact of a lower headcount

[peak egret]

fair

but you gotta have confidence

i mean if they hired you youre probably not completely incompetent lol

[brisk ingot]

i feel like for trading specifically having a good education program at the firm is hella important

[zenith whale]

This isn't true

[crisp grail]

are you currently interviewing

[winged dove]

My experience with smaller elite tech companies tho of course my not apply to quant but it's still worth a try

Like with the smaller elite firms they don't extactly advertise themselves so I imagine a lot of the people who are looking for quant or quant-adjacent roles might miss them

Like HFT isn't mainstream compared to tech so if your cracked or have a good resume a small firm isn't extactly a longshot

Again I may be very wrong but that's just my current thoughts looking at the landscape from my current understanding

[winged dove]

😩

[peak egret]

LOL o got the same thing

Mine just says “job posting” tho

I’ve heard their pay is trash tho

Some guy told me he got offered 120k for qr

[winged dove]

How much ?

[peak egret]

He had a PhD

[winged dove]

Wait 120k/yr ?

[peak egret]

n = 1 ofc but still

[peak egret]

Yeah

Which is yikes ngl

[winged dove]

For fresh PhD grad what would the target comp look like ?

[peak egret]

Idk probably wildly varies firm to firm

Like js qd starts at like 200k

I’d imagine their researchers make way more

[winged dove]

I mean for me 120k/yr isn't that bad but i'm uncultured

[peak egret]

https://www.levels.fyi/companies/jane-street/salaries/software-engineer?country=254

L1 avg tc is 377k

this doesnt even make sense though

base goes down as you rank up

what

idc bro im not getting js

what do u use then

🧠

thats a thing

kek

[little oxide]

What is that?

[rose holly]

When do places start interviewing for 2025 summer?

[peak egret]

Where is bro finding applications for 2025 summer

I’ve found like 3 open roles

[peak egret]

It’s joever

[deep cargo]

for swe right

[midnight scroll]

Reachouts from TGS, Headlands, Renaissance, BAM, Bridgewater

[peak egret]

I got a reacharound from js

[rose holly]

I'm not I'm just curious

[winged dove]

Nice

[little oxide]

July

Lock in

[winged dove]

Care for a dm ? Wanna ask some questions

[near nymph]

sig posting is up

[winged dove]

Link bruh

[near nymph]

https://careers.sig.com/job/SUSQA004Y8218?mode=apply&iis=LinkedIn

call me young mark benliyan

🚨 Calling all quant sweats

[midnight scroll]

sig no blacklist right. I reapply. Second time the charm

otherwise I take grad school third times the charm

[wintry tendon]

anyone know when sig is posting qt intern? are they pushing timeline fwd this year?

[midnight scroll]

no less

qt is like the standard 5k a week + like 15k sign on or whatever

idr what swe was. People said it was 50$/hr (2k) + 10k sign on a few years ago, dunno if true or it changed (or ever was true)

wish I went to drexel, they sent their coop people to league worlds since SIG Partners with Dignitas 😢

I wanna meet faker

Jane street doesnt let you see faker

😍

[wintry tendon]

did a recruiter tell u that or just inferring from past yrs

[ruby fog]

[pallid berry]

65/hr + 10k signon

[midnight scroll]

im gonna stop reiterating what others say about salary 😭 because now I've heard like 4 different numbers

albeit 65/hr + 10k sign on is basically the same as 55/hr + 15k sign on
likewise same with 4k/wk + 27.5 vs 5k/wk + 15

[brisk ingot]

yea 100/hr and 27.5 sign on is the figure I've seen a bunch

for qt

[brisk ingot]

yea heard the swe hourly is in that range

surprised sig gives swe interns such a high sign on

[midnight scroll]

does SIG take seniors as interns?

I applied 2025 last year since I'm doing 3 year grad. Could push to 26 if I wanted to but dunno if worth doing

still debating if I do a +1 or not

Not a great masters program at my school

yeah idk, RO is always uncertain

I guess I have no choice of changing grad date anyway if I applied 25 last time

[bright mountain]

do they care?

[midnight scroll]

I have no idea

idk i'd be fine with swe, the interviewers I talked to seemed to talk about it well

no just like working as a swe there

I will say everything being .NET is a little interesting cuz I know absolutely nothing about it

asked if they had any python stuff and the one team I talked to said they used iron python 😭

had to google that that was and its .NET python

[bright mountain]

W i am pro .NET (sig pls hire me)

[gilded quartz]

damn who else is open other than sig and deshaw?

do they really start interviewing so early or r they just collecting resumes

[peak egret]

CTC

Cit sec has a fundamental trading role open as well

It’s very vague on the JD about what it is

Idt it’s directly quant

[gilded quartz]

ooh thx

[brisk ingot]

bridgewater investment engineer is technically open if u chat a recruiter and ask to interview now instead of later in summer

ie is a mix of dev and research-ish

but yea true not a pure quant role

[peak egret]

Nah just google the app

Here

https://boards.greenhouse.io/chicagotradingreferral/jobs/4392223005

https://boards.greenhouse.io/chicagotradingreferral/jobs/4392240005

The confirmation email said interviews are in late Nov

Why bother opening apps this early then

[brisk ingot]

ok bro

[peak egret]

What

Where do you see that lol

Oh in the url

Huh weird

Idk I just googled quant internships 25 and it was one of the first things

[weak hound]

where do you find the recruiter contacts

[weak hound]

swe role is only full time right?

[winged dove]

Does viking have new grad ?

[dull plaza]

Anyone received the final decision of the HRT Singapore Explore Event?

[queen pendant]

yeah

[drifting imp]

Has anyone heard of citadel waitlisting/defering candidates lol

[little oxide]

cit is a firm not a college lol

how

[drifting imp]

happened to me lol

[drifting imp]

any insight on how it turns out?

[drifting imp]

like odds on still getting the offer

[queen pendant]

i didn’t get a final decision

someone prob did though

[sweet robin]

Hello, I have a genuine question, do quant firms and hedge funds hire from Canadian non-targets for internships? For background, I just finished first year and I took a lot of math courses (applied math, stats, intro to data sci, calc 1, linear algebra) I relatively did well on all of them & I could graduate by 2026 so I’m definitely going to be lying about my grad date. I wanna take my skills to the next level and work for hedge funds. But theyre no popular ones in Canada, this summer I wanna grind the green book and shit, but do they willingly hire students in Canada if ur not from loo?

I also have sde experience at one startup, and 2 unpaid so my resume isn’t too bland

Idk I feel like incorporating math and have sum fun with sum risk/trading games for a good portion of my life seems fun, is there any Canadians that know more about quant? It seems interesting

[rose holly]

do they even hire from candian schools other than waterloo

[sweet robin]

I’ve connected with 4 guys that graduated from my school that went into IMC trading as new grad and intern

But idk I’m just curious if this is feasible cause I do rlly like math

I don’t wanna spend 4 months grinding leetcode and probability books just to get no interviews you know

[midnight scroll]

Why both? The # of firms who test both is much less common

Are you aiming for swe or qt?

For background, I just finished first year and I took a lot of math courses (applied math, stats, intro to data sci, calc 1, linear algebra)
FYI this is not really "a lot", it's the standard curriculum for many colleges. No calc 2 is interesting.

I also have sde experience at one startup, and 2 unpaid so my resume isn’t too bland
Frankly this is kinda bland. The SWE resume screen is somewhat strict

From the way you word your post it sounds like you're aiming to do QT though

[sweet robin]

I wanna do both bc bruh my chances of gettin quant is very low so I at least want swe

[sweet robin]

Second year summer I’m tryna shoot for the stars for quant, but realistically how the market is swe, I just wanna know my chances

[midnight scroll]

Well if its swe it doesnt hurt to apply

You're gonna do all the leetcode stuff anyway, just toss on OS as well

[sweet robin]

Ok thanks

We will see how it goes

[sweet robin]

What do you recommend me to do to boost my chances for 2025?

[midnight scroll]

transfer to waterloo or land a good internship 👍 LMAO

but I mean it's all somewhat RNG

ig just practice to pass any Auto OAs

[sweet robin]

Thanks guys

Hopefully I’ll be in quant or a tech company that’s cool by 2027

[vague forge]

[queen pendant]

do quant firms hire from my school

I connected with people from my school at quant firms

also qt isn’t asking u lc lol

[sweet robin]

Ya that was only 1 quant firm lol

Maybe most only hire target that’s why I’m confused

[sweet robin]

Imma do both dawg cause at the end of the day I’d rather be employed sumwhere

[brisk ingot]

its prolly less that they won't interview u from ur school and more so that the better students tend to be at better schools which is where most of their employees come from

[zenith whale]

none of these are real math classes

wait a year and build up experience and knowledge

if you dont even have calculus 2 how are you going to do probability

[clear sparrow]

swe @drw is 🥜 (relatively)

[true nest]

dang Dr. W needs to get his bread up

[vague forge]

wait rlly

so does that mean there are no canadian quant firms

thats dumb

[sweet robin]

Uwo

But idk man I’m just lookin at career options cuz the opportunities are endless with cs, im lookin at more than just swe and im just wondering if my school will limit me, i wanna take the hardest courses at my uni so it can prepare me for future work

[sweet robin]

Yea this is good advice a lot of ppl are advising me not too especially cause im more interested in tech not the financial aspect

I acc did a Cpp interview earlier this year but bombed it unfortunately 💔

[low vault]

I’d just aim for tech mostly honestly

Quant hires from tech companies for swe roles

[peak egret]

ngmi
ngmi
ngmi
ngmi

[young nimbus]

Does ctc take people with no quant experience?

[brisk ingot]

i'd estimate most of their interns don't have prior quant experience

[split lintel]

@brisk hearth thoughts?

[brisk hearth]

idk about qt. but i'm interning there this summer for swe, and i havent worked at a quant firm yet

[little oxide]

Lmfaoo fr

Interviewer be like say hi to ur dad

[little oxide]

W

[little oxide]

🪞

Look at urself lmao

[little oxide]

where did u get this yakhussy

[grave mauve]

does cold emailing recruiters help for quant firms?

[brisk ingot]

yes, but helps if u have prior/incoming quant offers

[grave mauve]

so if u don’t have competing offers would it not help that much than just cold applying?

[brisk ingot]

nah definitely do it, theres only upside to it

but they prolly also get a good amt of emails and linkedin messages everyday, and pick and choose who to respond to

[split lintel]

Blair from soul eater?

[rose holly]

What is sig gpa requirement?

For QT

[little oxide]

His choice. Lol.

Capper

Fr

Real

U r telling me they don't reject based on GPA??

Lmfaoo U r so unhinged

I cant

I know sig is goat

But u r exaggerating when u say they don't care about gpa

[little oxide]

Fr lmfaoo

Light mode user

My eyes exploded

Ongggg

Tell him

Lmfaoo

[cyan ridge]

Anyone know when quant trader/SWE new grad recruiting cycle is? Is it diffent from intern?

[brisk ingot]

a lot of them open mid summer I think

like ik my friend has ng interviews/starting processes at omc drw and citsec around july-ish

[peak egret]

is there a difference between a place that calls it quant dev vs just swe?

the JDs always look p similar

[brisk ingot]

not rlly most of the time

some places make the distinction that swes work on more core dev systems

but usually they're j interchangeable

[cyan ridge]

Weird that the internships are opening before...scares the crap outta me

[brisk ingot]

fr i'm not ready for the next cycle yet

but they're not actively recruiting until mid-end of summer tho

so theres time

[willow portal]

DRW opens mid july
IMC in August
source: recruiting events

[weary nacelle]

that 2025 ctc intern app thats been shared around was a leaked link right

💀

[digital quail]

it helps without competing offers too

in my experience

[peak egret]

No?

I literally just googled it lol

[weary nacelle]

yeah im dumb lol

was just curous

[peak egret]

lies

Nah ur all good

Someone else pointed out it had referral in the url

But idk that’s on them if the link is googleable

[weary nacelle]

yee cause on their intern site it says nothing about 2025 apps being out yet lol

[peak egret]

Imo

I see this as an absolute win

[weary nacelle]

not me

cause i got reachout like a month ago

😭

not that serious though i was more curous than anything lmao

[peak egret]

LOL RIP

dw tho if you got a reach out ur already shortlisted

Probably

Idk I’m talking outta my butt here

[stone turtle]

has anyone gone through the process for investment engineer intern at bridgewater? just wondering

[hazy hawk]

Would distributed systems or a hardcore comp arch class (will implement out of order risc-V processor in SV) be more useful if I'm targeting quant?

[static musk]

just depends on the role/firm, both could be useful

[hazy hawk]

SWE/HWE? (I assume "depends on firm" still applies lol)

[little oxide]

He an unc

But he manchild

[low vault]

do both 😎

[hazy hawk]

I will but not together lol

Figuring out what to take next sem

[deep cargo]

What class is this?

I think cs 425 is better in the fall from what I’ve heard

[hazy hawk]

411 (ece)

[hazy hawk]

Yeah I'm leaning towards distributed

[deep cargo]

It’s probably less work too, considering recruiting is going on as well

[hazy hawk]

It def will be less work lmao

[deep cargo]

Is 411 worse than 391?

[hazy hawk]

Post resdesign yes

It got revamped like last sem

[young nimbus]

Any tips for getting into CTC next summer?

[little oxide]

Yall talk more about swe here than quant lmfaoo

[young nimbus]

how do referalls work in quant?

[quick storm]

I’m trying to get into quant, where should I start? Any resource?

[deep cargo]

I’m trying to get into quant, where should I start? Any resource?

[weary nacelle]

a lot of copy pasta's considering how cooked we are

[young nimbus]

I'm trying to get into quality, where should I start? any resource?

[quick storm]

Actually cooked 💀

[little oxide]

Stfuuuu

Any type except biostatistics

💀

[winged dove]

Do you have to complete sig's OA within 7 days of them giving it to you ?

[cyan ridge]

It's already out?

And no you don't unless it explicitly states it

[winged dove]

Yeah it does but look at the part that I circled

[cyan ridge]

Looks like you have over two months lol

[winged dove]

Yeah lol i've pushed it off to preapre for other OAs

[cyan ridge]

Wait no i missed that it said do it within 7 days

so you should prob do it within 7 days lol

[winged dove]

Yeah I should do it

[cyan ridge]

How long after you applied did you here back?

Also where did you find the new grad position? Are you a Masters student?

[winged dove]

I applied like sometime in April

[cyan ridge]

Dope congrats on having a decent resume lol

Did they close the position? 😦

Or are u a Graduate student?

[winged dove]

nahh i'm not just finished undergrad

and not sure if they closed the position

[brisk ingot]

is that a sydney role?

AEST time zone

[winged dove]

Think so but I’ll have to check

[brisk ingot]

kk

yea i imagine its australian

[midnight scroll]

is it no longer on codesignal?

granted I applied for undergrad intern before

so maybe its differnet for grad

[winged dove]

They still use code signal afaik

[midnight scroll]

oh I mean just see what the xpiry date of it is in codesignal

or maybe im reading it wrong

but yea just do it earlier ig

[unkempt thorn]

is upenn (college of engineering, NOT wharton) a target school for quant finance/ib?

[split lintel]

@sick jay thoughts?

[little oxide]

Of course lol

Wharton is like top finance school

U trippin

[half valve]

bro cannot read

LMFAO

[low vault]

I’m trying to get into quant, where should I start? Any resource?

[little oxide]

start from ABC

[cyan ridge]

Anyone have a good eye for resumes? I think mine is pretty damn good, but got resume rejected from JS.

If i post in resume channel i'd have to blur a bunch of stuff and it'd lose it's value lol, would rather just DM

[little oxide]

js is rng

[cyan ridge]

rng?

wtf that's so stupid

[midnight scroll]

Yeahp. They dont even have recruiters lol, theres literally an algorithm they wrote that picks random numbers and whoever gets lucky gets a interview.

As traders they realized part of the market is luck so they didnt want unlucky people there

Its so rng in fact that going to university of pheonix online is just as good as MIT 👍

[cyan ridge]

I know resume screening is a shitshow but that does not seem like the solution 😂

Hopefully applying with a ton of different emails works?

[midnight scroll]

its a joke lol

You just got res screened, it is what it is

[wintry tendon]

yeah i'd say so

but idt quant targets are that black/white since your own skill matters a lot more than your school and if you're doing ib idk why you'd study engineering

[clear sparrow]

win icpc

[low vault]

@robust bone I’m trying to get into quant, where should I start? Any resource?

[low vault]

what is icpc ?

[merry saddle]

@robust bone can you help me out too

[robust bone]

meet me @ wlu food bank

[rose holly]

Thanks I just got into IMC!

[midnight scroll]

Oh wow who woulda guessed

thats crazy

[cyan ridge]

Bro how would I have know that lol

I was just asking for resume help 😆

[haughty hinge]

Most firms you can’t resume optimise for

Free u

[little oxide]

Lmfaooo

[little oxide]

Fr cook JS

Mid street

[deep cargo]

That’s why I’ve never applied to them

Too easy to get in yk

[brisk ingot]

they're actually selling using ocaml

smh

[low vault]

Nah I talked to some people that work there. They recruit heavily from my school

They only want people that are lucky enough to make gains

[midnight scroll]

^ Thats the power of a random number generating algorithm over a human

can screen for luck plus it has no bias

its the best way to recruit

Ive been practicing https://g.co/kgs/Rmfpqzm to prep for JS interviews

8,000 clicks a day

[strange loom]

need some resources for system design prep

have a quant interview next week

[fervent bolt]

Is there anything that quant recruiters are looking for on resumes for SWE?

[deep cargo]

Yes! First, you should get started on some cool projects that quant and faang recruiters have told me about:
MERN discord clone
Calculator app
Chess engine
Todo list
Tic tac toe game
Automated trading bot

[strange loom]

only bite ive had for js lately is tdoe

[quasi orbit]

Which quants ask sys design?

Which notable quants don’t pass js screens

[deep cargo]

Citadel and DRW do

[brisk ingot]

optiver i think too for the final

[deep cargo]

^ yeah

[quasi orbit]

citadel doesnt anymore

not anymore

confirmed w ppl who work at citadel

[deep cargo]

for new grad they do at least

[quasi orbit]

oh interesting

[midnight scroll]

if they ask me about skibidi toilet lore im passing with flying colors

[little oxide]

Gyatttt

[little oxide]

No lol

Js problems r not rng

Neither optiver

Bro said all quant qs r rng

That's what u expect from bio major phd

💀

[half valve]

go offer for offer with him abd!

[little oxide]

He unc

[winged dove]

Cut of your jib ?

[strange loom]

just go be janitor at js, ez dub

it's the boomer solution

[vast relic]

orz

[little oxide]

Means?

[deep cargo]

it means orz

[little oxide]

Whats orz

[little oxide]

Bet

[vague forge]

[weary nacelle]

Hi

[peak egret]

I applied to citadel trader and they said they don’t want me for trader they want me for swe

Ggs

ION WANNA BE CODE MONKEY

LEMME MAKE TRADES

[peak egret]

Yeah

Fundamental trader tho

[brisk ingot]

prolly geared to finance majors

and bc ib recruiting started a few months ago for su25

[weary nacelle]

Hi

[fervent bolt]

Did they say ur gonna get an oa or an interview?

[neon mirage]

Is this for NG?

[peak egret]

Nothing she just said she wanted to stab in touch till apps opened

[peak egret]

No 25 internship

[neon mirage]

Ohhh okay

Lock in🤫🧏‍♂️

[peak egret]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-lock-in-locked-in-gif-8376939292424625969

[vast relic]

they hit my friend up for swe like 3 months after he forgot to do the qt oa 😂

[little oxide]

Why didn't u rank swe on first

[little oxide]

Hahaha u deserve it

[little oxide]

Forgot to do oa is crazy they should blacklist him

[dim pond]

what do u guys think about a risk management MS for qr

could not get into any math MS programs

[low vault]

cit rejected me in a week and then they gave qre reachout like 6 months later

tbh i think deshaw is open thsi early in advance too

for s24 they were open like 1y in adv for swe

[little oxide]

Qr?

[low vault]

swe

[vast relic]

was this during the datathon

[little oxide]

Why u talking about swe here

Smh

[low vault]

swe 😎

[low vault]

no just reg apps

[little oxide]

Fin bro type u should have taken that

Wear suit and tie

[stray sentinel]

I swear it’s the trader positions that have room for growth

[low vault]

Interb

[brisk ingot]

got drw socks from some event

[little oxide]

Begging for quant fit is crazy

This gen is cooked

[little oxide]

U r cooked fool

Fuck u laughing for

[rapid mesa]

Jane street and Optiver have socks and I feel like cit has trackies

[little oxide]

Citsec has shoes too I think with Adidas

Someone in the tqd once sent

[rapid mesa]

They have Nikes asw

[little oxide]

What?

[little oxide]

Oh nice

Haven't seen those

[winged dove]

Pic of the merch ?

[stable zephyr]

did anyone here do the citadel datathon?

[little oxide]

Yes me

[stable zephyr]

Do you know what the questions are like? I tried searching them up online but I couldn't find any : (

Also curious to what classes in uni prepares you for the datathon

both on the swe and researcher side : )

[stable zephyr]

if possible, do you have any of the questions saved too?

[stable zephyr]

what is 1p3a?

oh I don't know chinese 😭

oh damn

so it isn't that hard then?

wait so is everything just a joke 😭

like wtf is the point then lmaooo

why weren't other people able to figure it out?

gotchya

university doesn't really teach that tho right

so how would I get good at that?

oh I see

wait so is data science just mainly cleaning your data?

you mean manually clean it by deleting shit in excel???

I thought the citadel datathon would be a bunch of fancy sota shit

lmfaooo

would you say the datathon was worth it / you learned a lot?

what is bog standard analysis?

I don't have any experience in statistics lol, I'm gonna take a statistics course in a couple of months tho!

you mean math analysis???

or analysis as in "analyzing shit"

gotchya

and any other tips to get selected for the citadel datathon?

or just get good an intro stats is pretty much it

ohhh I see

so kinda like asking leetcode hard when the job is just html/css shit

so would ML + intro stats classes be good for OA?

gotchya

and so if I would be able to do the past OA's from the past Datathons

I would be able to do pretty good on the new Datathons?

I assume they change the OA for each data thon right

like the next data thon will have completely different questoins

bett

do you think I could google translate my way through the 3 point 1 acre thing or I need to bring in a chinese friend?

oh also probabiliy theory required or nah? calc based probability

yessir

yepp makes sense

and for swe its just leetcode I assume

no point in learning the stats

I mean on resume I'll say i'm a junior

and I am currently fully enrolled in college anyways

so I'm functionally a junior

why is it fake?

I will graduate in two years

its like how community college students do community college for two years

then do university for two years

I already did the "community college" for two years while also doing high school

I'm in high school, but I do college classes

I'll technically be a senior by credits once I enroll in college

but on my resume, since I'll be gradating in two years, I'll say i'm a junior, which isn't lying

are you asking the university?

yeah

but I'm also enrolled in university

I have a transcript for university classes and shit

I'll enroll at my state university as a degree seeking student

I'll probably transfer an associates degree

if I have an associates degree from community college, and then attend my state university, I can claim myself as a junior right?

Anyways I thought you say junior/senior etc. based on your expected graduation date

I am attending community college rn

so the people who do 2 years in community college, then transfer to two years for state university, say that they are a freshman once they transfer to the state university?

I thought they were juniors, not freshman

[proud fossil]

Are you officially enrolled in your state college

[stable zephyr]

yeah ofc, but I will be in a couple months

yeah I'm not applying for anything rn, I'm just planning ahead

I'll say I'm a junior once I attend my state university

bet

I plan to graduate in 26 so yeah I'll put that down

[stable zephyr]

there are no upcoming datathons posted

but there is prolly gonna be one next college year

[midnight scroll]

fwiw senior in credits != graduate in two years

unless your state college is really chill about accepting classes

Tbh it's not worth graduating early unless you already have strong resume experience with HS internships and whatnot

you're gonna be severely disavantaged

3 years is fine, 2 years is trouble

One shot to get internship and RO

[stable zephyr]

yeah I plan for a bs/ms (where I get one year masters)

but 2 years undergrad

[stable zephyr]

so total of 3 in university

but the ms isn't guaranteed as I might not get accepeted

[stable zephyr]

it is yeah

[midnight scroll]

ms in two years is kinda rough

[stable zephyr]

if I don't get a good internship, I might reconsider

[midnight scroll]

Im struggling to get it and im doing 3 year grad

[stable zephyr]

ms? I am doing undergrad in two years

[midnight scroll]

yes but you have to apply still

3 Lor, lab research, etc.

[stable zephyr]

oh luckily for me its two lor

[midnight scroll]

Not a lot of time to get grinding on that