quants-n-traders

[brisk hearth]

Of like the dif situations

Yea

So they just play a shit ton of hands and then keep track of the win rates for each situation or smt? But then yk ur win rate, but how do u know the appropriate betting size then

Since ur betting size could influence the outcome

Found an open source python framework that was published by a uni research team to simulate games

Yea, I’m just tryna create a heads up one rn

Doing for the challenge, not necessarily profibikity cuz so many heads up bots exist

Ye but I’m still confused on how creating a poker sim is relevant to creating a solver

Yea I alr implemented CFR, but I’m tryna implement deep CFR now

No I implemented CFR by myself

But I used another package to like calculate the utilities of each situation

Yea, like it has to visit each node

Yea

I mean u could just create all the game states ahead of time

Yea

So u would have to do manual abstraction or deep CFR to use ML to do the abstraction for u

Which is where I’m at

I’m tryna implement deep CFR

Card abstraction

Cuz like u said, u can’t simulate all the game states cuz too many

Oh yeaaaa Monte Carlo tree search

That’s what I was also thinking of also implementing

Dyt it’s feasible to code up a heads up poker limit holdem bot?

Using MC CFR on a laptop

Do u have any good resources I can access about MC CFR?

Cuz I haven’t found any good things to read that isn’t a shit ton of unreadable formulas

Wait but the cfr I did I created the entire game tree and then would iterate through the entire thing

So I wouldn’t create the game tree ahead of time?

I would just add on as I iterate through dif situations of poker games?

But even after like a shit ton of games, I still like wouldn’t be able to iterate through every game state right

Like after a week of simulation, I would only cross like 10% of possible game states?

Ah I see

I mean I could just abstract the betting sizes right

And then when playing NLHE I just map the simplified betting sizes to whatever the person does

Ok so to recap, I just use the sim package to simulate games, and then for each info set in the given game, I update the regrets afterwards?

Wait what’s a full policy grid

lol sry for all these questions, I just started this shit 2 weeks ago. I’ve mostly played brick and mortar games and wanted to try coding this shit

Oh interesting, so like the thing that holds the regrets, strats, etc?

Also wait even if I abstract the bet sizes, I would still be no where near visiting all the game states. So like in a given game, wouldn’t the bot have no idea what to do if it’s never simulated that state before (so like the probability vector for the actions r default 1/n)

Still, capping them at 5 bet sizes is still not rly feasible to visit majority of states

Oh wait what

So it doesn’t actually have to visit all game states? Even if the game is abstracted

Oh that’s rly interesting, I’m gonna try that then

Thanks for ur help, I couldn’t find any good resources on MC

Wait but if u don’t create the decision tree ahead of time and instead create them in real time as u update the strats when simulating dif game states, then wouldn’t u arrive at the same problem of the info states sometimes not existing in some cases? Like it being more likely on later betting streets

Just vanilla cfr or MC cfr

I read into some of the theory, but mainly focused on implementation

So I was able to implement it w/o references

So I did preflop for proof of concept, and I iterated through all possible info states and then would calculate the EV for the utility function of the dif states

Yea, that’s how I was able to create all the game states ahead of time

Wait so what happens in the situation if ur on the river betting round and you’ve never been in that game state before

Oh rly? Wait how

Oh okay

Do u have any website recommendations I should check out

Or that u used

Yea I abstracted to only 5 dif betting sizes

So I could pre create the entire game space

Yup

It was like 1.6 mil info sets or smt

[dusky topaz]

Anyone have experience with or ideas for systems related projects for a quant swe resume?

[covert geyser]

anyone do a technical interview for stevens capital management

[haughty hinge]

For qd?

[vast relic]

is it with the director of low latency

[covert geyser]

yes

[vast relic]

oh i had it

[prime carbon]

likelihood of optiver sponsoring? Heard it's team dependent

[brisk hearth]

@quiet meadow dyt external sampling or chance sampling is easier to understand and implement for MC CFR

Wait wdym, I thought u read through the MCCFR papers? Or is chance/external sampling a variant of MCCFR

[thin bramble]

Does any company pay for business class travel

[prime carbon]

ftx

[deep cargo]

asserting dominance

[thin bramble]

for what

I actually got 1 first class flight from cit

[thin bramble]

but return wasn't 1st

[worn tulip]

its quant dev same as swe

[strange pilot]

anyone done final round for two sigma swe?

[deep cargo]

oh hell nah 💀

i thought this guy was trolling

[midnight scroll]

This is real?

looks like a lot of effort for a shitpost

im scared

[tulip sapphire]

qd is a superset of swe, it's basically swe on a research team with possibly some research work

[deep cargo]

that website was down as well from what I read on the reddit post

[gusty wave]

Morgan stanley app dev nyc intern or capital one tip intern Philly summer 2024??? Im confused what to choose. Trying to go into quant eventually.

[strange pilot]

how was it? i have it tomorrow and i’ve been doing a bunch of graph problems

did u move on to the behavioral after

[strange pilot]

that's tragic

did you solve the problems?

sheesh

when did u have the final?

[strange pilot]

you left them speechless

u were so good, that they’re still in shock

[hazy hawk]

Do quants that aren't optiver js hrt ghost for FPGA? Highk don't rmbr which else I applied to lol

[night topaz]

dudes speaking another language

[regal umbra]

i heard sig pre-screen is not gca but i received a SIG Pre-Screen General Coding Framework codesignal

does this mean it is gca still or their questions?

[candid folio]

ye its guaranteed technical if u do it

[prime carbon]

anyone going through optiver process rn?

[rose holly]

last year it was lc easies

[rose holly]

ya

[tranquil wagon]

Don’t they do combinatorics trivia

[haughty hinge]

Has anyone done SIG QS/QR intern onsite?

[rose holly]

not for oa no

[sage jay]

telugu ?

[sleek herald]

didn't jump have a bad year

[haughty hinge]

so dont work there anymore cause of bad year?

[tribal briar]

HRT is my favorite though!

whats wrong with it bro

i want to work there my dream

[vocal drift]

same

[tribal briar]

this tracy girl must be a JS/Jump person haha

[fervent bolt]

anyone know the questions for beat the odds of optiver oa

[queen pendant]

yeah

what’s the chance of getting a head if u flip a fair coin

[wintry tendon]

also this comes up

[dark lake]

lol

[sinful kernel]

how's sig discovery day?

is it like a fast-track pipeline to summer internships

[sleek herald]

i love hormone replacement surgey too

[thin bramble]

True prodigy

[sinful kernel]

is Discover Citadel a quant-focused / tech event or more of a fundamental investing typa thing?

[sinful kernel]

shiiiii did the Trading discovery open yet?

i only see technology expression of interest idk if thats just SWE or SWE + trading

damn

so i missed it :(

[sinful kernel]

oh real?

is drexelrlly that Op

[uneven narwhal]

no

[thorny gate]

whats a good book or resource to learn about equities if I just wanna know some stuff for background. wont need it on the job since im a swe but i wanted to know the basic term and concepts since im on equities team

[night topaz]

be a participant in the markets, do research, read case studies

it helps connect the terms & their significance

[uncut steeple]

how does this happen

[tired yacht]

Hi guys, I’m a freshman majoring in cs + math with a minor in statistics, do y’all have any tips on getting an internship at JS/HRT/Citadel/Wolverine trading?

[sinful kernel]

bro threw in wolverine trading 💀

but prolly just get hella good at probability

do some zetamacs to get fast

study green book

[upbeat forum]

Bro said Wolverine 💀

[thorny gate]

what u mean

hard work and dedication ofc

[deft nymph]

for js in OCaml we trust

[uncut steeple]

can I DM?

[gentle meadow]

kiss me

[weary nacelle]

Hi guys, I’m a freshman majoring in cs + math with a minor in statistics, do y’all have any tips on getting a quant internship at JPMC/C1/BOFA/Wells Fargo trading?

[haughty hinge]

No

[thorny gate]

yup

[tranquil wagon]

What’s that

[weary nacelle]

Hi guys, I’m a freshman majoring in cs + math with a minor in statistics, do y’all have any tips on getting a quant internship at JPMC/C1/BOFA/Wells Fargo trading?

[late hedge]

1. What masters course is more suited? I initially thought Quantitive Finance is more suited but heard is more of options pricing which is not really what quants deal with.

As such some suggested Statistics, is this generally more relevant?

[jolly veldt]

just finished a math questions OA for SIG, for the Quantitative Research and Quantitative Systematic Trading positions. has anyone else done these and know what the process/next steps look like

[haughty hinge]

Dmed

[deep mica]

Has anyone found success cold emailing recruiters to get into the interviewing pipeline, particularly at smaller funds?

[vast relic]

I told the sig recruiter I like to cook for one of my hobbies

I was not cooking

[queen pendant]

yeah there’s a shared blacklist between firms

only the big ones though

?

recruiters talk

[haughty hinge]

its pretty believable but it would be more recruiters from different companies having a shared blacklist not companies if that makes sense

big market players I assume

[analog bough]

Mfs really think these firms are gonna collaborate to blacklist some random people and risk a lawsuit/bad rep for no reason other than to spite a guy they don’t care about

[haughty hinge]

Ik there's def a lot of connections between recruiters, Ive been referred from a recruiter to a recruiter at another firm after failing rounds for example. I would be hard to have blacklist database but Im sure if a person cheated for example a lot of firms will know

[analog bough]

Idk the laws on this but seems similar to why your previous employer won’t share negative feedback about you, you’re risking that information being the reason you suffer a loss financially by not getting a job

I personally wouldn’t risk it but who knows maybe it’s worth it to those guys

They never will though because why would you a billion dollar firm risk a ton of money to screw some rando over for a job

Idk maybe I’m overthinking it, it seems like a lot to lose and little to gain to create a blacklist since all the things worth blacklisting across firms for like illegal shit would be known or caught by bg check

[haughty hinge]

theres no risk lol

[analog bough]

? Isn’t the reason no one will ever give any feedback is because you’ll still spend money defending a suit if a candidate wants to file one

[queen pendant]

there’s a lot to gain

hiring bums is a huge negative

[analog bough]

What is there to gain for citadel to tell xyz firm that they don’t want this candidate again

[haughty hinge]

to keep good relationship with other firms

[analog bough]

I see that’s a good point, I never really thought of that kind of relation

I guess it really only matters if it’s false like would you want a middle manager who likely has a vested interest in appearing to have made the right choice in not hiring you/firing you to say what is appropriate and provably true to HR/another firm

But I do see the gain here, interesting that they could do it probably entirely without anyone ever knowing due to how small of a community HFT recruiting probably is

[haughty hinge]

yep. thats why above I mentioned if that list exists its probably only within recruiters but not like an official things for a firm as a whole

[analog bough]

Yeah I imagine that’s a good middle ground, verbal through stories/anecdotes but never official

[haughty hinge]

ye

[analog bough]

I can’t imagine anyone here would end up there unless you do something out of line

[haughty hinge]

and its also good in general to not let crappy people in. an extreme screnario would be not telling cit not to hire a candidate with tendencies for cheating the market and he'll spoof, fuck a bunch of companies over (including the one that didnt tell cit), get cit into a lawsuit

its just a loss loss

[analog bough]

I imagine those cases are already known without even having to explicitly blacklist

[haughty hinge]

lmao also true

maybe for junior roles its harder to keep cause more candidates

[analog bough]

Like that random guy from two sigma suing his firm already got outed before suing for the massive losses he got blamed for

[haughty hinge]

give ur offer to me

better than being deported

whats mm

also dont lie, give me your real offer

[tardy steppe]

Should I do masters to land internships to pivot into qt intern or should I land ft job to pivot into qt ft?

[night topaz]

Would you guys say code forces is the best way to prepare for trading firm OA’s, if not any suggestions?

[brisk ingot]

codeforces defo good, but i haven’t had any issues w quant OAs after grinding leetcode med/hards

[night topaz]

Did you do HRT oa?

[vast relic]

What role?

[night topaz]

I opened it and closed it immediately

[vast relic]

Isn’t it just like millennium limited partners

The more confusing one is mpg which they use for hiring

[brisk ingot]

tbf no, ig that one might have been aids

did all the other ones

[vast relic]

I felt like such a genius for figuring out the base conversion one

Oh

Full time?

[tardy steppe]

anyone know if new grad quant is non existent?

[zenith panther]

it doesnt exist

give up

do an mfe

[tardy steppe]

wdym

[zenith panther]

quant new grad is unrealistic

unless ur a crazy math prodigy

[tardy steppe]

its better to go for intern instead?

[zenith panther]

u should just go for phd

[tardy steppe]

im not doing qr though

[zenith panther]

are you at a t5

and do u have any math awards

or competitive programming

otherwise just dont apply

[tardy steppe]

i mean theres people from my school who were able to break into quant new grad and they didnt have any of that

ive seen cases from people who go to non targets and were able to break into new grad without any of that as well

you just gotta be good enough to get the interview, and pass it

@zenith panther i feel like u have a very skewed perception of it

[zenith panther]

yeah this guy is a clown

agreed

[zenith panther]

then youve answered ur own question

not sure why u asked in the first place

[tardy steppe]

i asked this one originally, but idk which is better out of the 2. which is why i followed up with the other q

[tardy steppe]

plus i wanna see other people’s perception of it not only mine, expand my horizon

idk if all quant firms take new grad as well, i know js doesnt

me?

[zenith panther]

@primal shell is an expert on quant

ask them abt it if ur rly curious

[hexed summit]

does anyone wanna mock, I do mediums - hards in python and my goal is a fang company

[haughty hinge]

Anyone did sig qr/qs final?

[glass barn]

5r still hiring this late?

[haughty hinge]

What do recruiters look for in a resume for trad ops roles?

[potent dome]

for quant dev, its all cpp fs right python frowned upon?

[glossy sparrow]

who told you this

[potent dome]

ive seen it myself in itnernviews

[brisk ingot]

don't know if python is fs frowned on, but anecdotally most of my interviewers were happier when i used cpp

[zenith panther]

idt they care

unless its a cpp team or like headlands radix

[alpine mortar]

any trading competition recomendations for resume?

quant dev

[sinful kernel]

anyone wake up and jus want some head?

i'd kill for headlands interview tbh

[tranquil wagon]

Can you send resume

[haughty hinge]

A bit late no?

[potent dome]

Do you guys have any recs on cpp textbook?

Thats comprehensive?

like ones that explain C then go into CPP?

[sinful kernel]

is 3.91 gpa good enough for top quant screens

[swift pine]

no

[haughty hinge]

Lmfao

[haughty hinge]

Probably not

But good flex

[haughty hinge]

Any advantage/difference working for a small sweaty shop (Headlands/radix/aquatic/vatic) vs regular prop shop or HF as a qr?

[alpine mortar]

thanks redpocket

[sinful kernel]

fr?

[candid cradle]

in terms of what? from what i've seen you get more breadth of knowledge/experience and higher pay at smaller shops

but longer hours, work schedule is less stable, and more pressure

[haughty hinge]

The type of work/comp

[candid cradle]

i have a friend that did qr intern at citsec, hrt, and radix, now full time at radix. type of work is more team-dependent rather than company dependent. pay was radis > hrt > citsec

[haughty hinge]

Tf can your friend teach me to be himothy as well

But still thanks for some form of insights

[brisk ingot]

does citadel wanting to schedule another 45 minute interview after the onsite mean i’m borderline between moving on and rejection?

[sinful kernel]

yes

[brisk ingot]

aight sg

[strange pilot]

anyone done final round behavioral for two sigma swe intern?

[vocal drift]

anyone done interview for peak6 bootcamp?

[winged aurora]

Anybody heard of QCP capital?

[winged aurora]

same for me LOL

seems a bit shady

[rose holly]

what to expect for sig discovery day tech?

[sinful kernel]

^^

what's their bar looking like

[candid cradle]

i know a couple ppl that had a 45 min interview with a hiring manager after onsite (including myself). we all got the offer so i think ur good lol

[fallow arrow]

Hi everyone, do you think I should still apply to Citadel NXT program if I only have ~1 YOE (full-time). The website lists 2-6, but could I get in if I also have a referral?

[opaque eagle]

Do u think the outcome of applying can be worse than not applying?

[fast gazelle]

<@&868936794601828492>

[rose holly]

Hey, i would like to learn how to make $30k. Would you mind if i kindly dm you?

[zenith panther]

@leaden temple

[clever cloak]

any1 know des res process

[waxen arrow]

Anyone know if there’s a GPA cutoff for these shops with 3 yoe at Meta?

[fast gazelle]

are there cit boxers as well

[fervent bolt]

Does anyone have any info on optinomicon? Have my interview coming up

[haughty hinge]

anyone did JS TDO new grad process?

[rose holly]

did phone yesterday

i think they resume screen after oa

don’t need a perfect oa score to pass

2 research 2 internships basic projects

f500 and at a uni

nothing crazy

[fervent bolt]

I only got 2 and half the test cases

For discovery tech

And got phone

It’s mostly resume

[rose holly]

dm

[winter dew]

has anyone heard back after oa for sig soph discovery day

[rose holly]

no stop the trolling

[fervent bolt]

ye phone

[fervent bolt]

yeah its 4 questions and i got two of them plus half of one of them and none of the last

im not the best at coding

[tranquil wagon]

They told me there isn’t a tech in the phone screen

[tranquil wagon]

Yeah I did the phone interview thing yesterday

[weary nacelle]

what are some good projects for quant 🥺

[silk arch]

to do app

[sacred lark]

How long ago did u submit the OA and how was the phone

[tranquil wagon]

Phone was chill but I said a couple dumb things lmao, I did the OA on new years eve

[sacred lark]

Mm ok I submitted Thursday hoping my resume passes the screening.

gl to u

[tranquil wagon]

I have no idea

I just applied to a link I saw

[tranquil wagon]

Sure

[tranquil wagon]

Yeah pretty sure it was

[haughty hinge]

Anyone did JS TDO new grad process?

[brisk hearth]

@quiet meadow i finished the MCCFR alg for HUNL poker, but i'm having problems reaching some of the buckets (like situations where there's quads or a straight on the board) since they rarely happen so the bot is unable to create an accurate strat for it. do u have a solution to touch upon these situations that rarely happen while still maintaining the sampling frequency concept in MCCFR?

[brisk hearth]

@blissful kite have u done cfr stuff too?

[supple shoal]

if anyone's gotten to the head of hr/engineering head/cto step of the two sigma swe internship, please dm. got a few quesitons about how to tell 2s about competing offers

[supple shoal]

did not know they dont nego

they specifically asked to share competing offers for the reason of being "helpful data" when formulating a 2s offer

[shy tide]

anyone at js have received their intern swag yet lol

[tranquil wagon]

This is a cringe flex

[deep cargo]

Anyone at Albertsons gotten their swag yet?

[shy tide]

no i have been waitin for a month and a half i am j wondering

[upbeat forum]

20 inch bicep

[sleek herald]

You have an intern discord lol

Why ask here

[shy tide]

??

[sleek herald]

There is a discord full of JS interns

?

Like almost every other internship…

[shy tide]

yea but you don't really find it until you get in no?

like the internship starts

[sleek herald]

At all of the companies I’ve interned at you get invited by HR after you sign

Lol

[shy tide]

never had that before either

it's always some off the book thing that someone creates

[sleek herald]

No, they have recruiters in them lol

[shy tide]

all the ones i have been a part of was just interns

[sleek herald]

I mean people make their own after

But that has been my experience

[quasi orbit]

snowflake

[zenith panther]

is it not usually a slack?

weird

[sleek herald]

You get slack when you start or whatever communication platform they use

[zenith panther]

orz so prestigous

[sleek herald]

Lol

[tranquil wagon]

I’ve never heard of this, do they always send it to you automatically or do you need to ask?

[sleek herald]

Automatically

[shy tide]

i never got such a thing

from the past 3 companies or js

[sleek herald]

Interesting

I know there is a JS discord though because a friend asked me if I knew someone from it

But maybe it wasn’t broadcasted by HR

[shy tide]

am sure there is one but doubt i'll know about it until later

[deep cargo]

tdo isn’t prestigious enough to get invited to a disc

[shy tide]

???

[tranquil wagon]

Luckily I don’t need to worry about that because I’m not interning at IMC lol

I’m don’t have a quant internship

I’m a freshman lmao

💀

[deep cargo]

💀 💀 💀

[shy tide]

im dead

no

M. anyways they didnt even ask for size

doubt they are sending clothes

GL

letz do it

woah

[rose holly]

Bro you’re cracked

[celest star]

is there any quant open for fall yet

[tranquil wagon]

No I said I DONT have a quant internship

[brisk ingot]

cit/js

[shy tide]

Cit open ?

[celest star]

thanks

last chance

[shy tide]

i am still confused

they did not ask my shirt size ig TDO's dont get clothes 😭

wait

that's in october tho

i got my offer in dec i think

[rose holly]

Okay Mr. Sunnyvale

[vast relic]

Was that KN

[vast relic]

she plans everything

i saw her downing red bulls once lol

[tranquil wagon]

Congrats on (derogatory swe role)

[tranquil wagon]

Are you asking if fall and winter are the same thing? If so, they are not

[celest star]

September-December

[brisk ingot]

does a swe pipeline manager at citadel viewing my linkedin after onsite mean anything

[still sapphire]

Is it common for regular swe at faang+ to switch to quant firm for swe? Are they at a disadvantage vs new grads to landing these roles. Or is it something that very rarely happens? Can someone please guide a bit if they have any info or heard about this?

[clever cloak]

no

if u get an email with a call it means smth tho 🔥

[clever cloak]

nah

not common p sure

getting quant after grad is way harder than internship

no quant exp -> quant firm is kinda unlikely aswell

not impossible

tho

[brisk ingot]

whats the process like after onsite?

i've heard so many different answers that idk at this point

[twin verge]

<@&868936794601828492> look what a generous fella

[still sapphire]

Yes for sure totally swe to quant in a quant firm is almost unheard of imo. I was asking faang swe to quant firms swe

[clever cloak]

easier but still not common

tho that sentiment is prolly biased by the fact that ppl who wanted qswe wouldve gone to qswe instead of faang

[still sapphire]

I see, i just personally joined faang 6 months ago and wanting to transfer to quant swe and well, lets see how it goes. Thanks!

From what iv mostly read, the prep for quant swe is to master leetcode with cpp and master OS concepts. Is that most of it in terms of prep? Anything else that im missing out?

[tranquil wagon]

Combinatorics is important

Somewhat

And linear algebra

(This is stuff I’ve heard from quant people, personally I don’t have enough experience to testify to it)

[queen pendant]

combinatorics and linear algebra has zero relevance to swe

[slow orchid]

is this chat for quant devs also?

[vague sentinel]

Combinatorics way of thinking comes up a good amt of the time I feel

[carmine temple]

does gpa matter for quant, if so how much

[sweet drift]

anyone do cpp multithreaded? do you stick with stl or use stuff from boost folly etc

std::thread , std::future , spam smart pointers w cpp 11/14 is this the way to go lol

[proud fossil]

Use the standard library, std::thread is based off of boost anyways but has the portability of the standard library

[sweet drift]

bet ty

[tranquil wagon]

Stl

Boost is annoying

[upbeat forum]

take a wild guess

[tranquil wagon]

Very much

[scenic bison]

yeah, but if you have faang exp and an overall impressive resume SOME firms wont care

most care yeah, but some you can omit gpa and still interview with a good resume

speaking for swe, idk how it is for trading roles I can imagine they care more

yeah sounds abt right

[midnight scroll]

iirc Millenium flat out asks for 3.7 for some roles

idk what other firms do

[somber ether]

if there are other 2024 optiver interns, my dms are open 🙏

[split lintel]

There's a server for optiver interns
https://discord.gg/WFdNvgWy54

[queen pendant]

that’s just because wolverine has a high bar because they perform so well

[queen pendant]

what combinatorics way of thinking comes up when ur making tooling for traders

[somber ether]

thanks!

[azure zenith]

It is dead af

The only new thing that happens is people joining haha

[somber ether]

ah, in that case, how did u or were u able to talk w other interns last year before the internship

[brisk ingot]

i assume once it's closer to summer more active stuff will happen

[somber ether]

oh cool ty

is there any server or gc that u know of for this summer?

rip

[vague sentinel]

Casework in general is quite common, especially at smaller scales

[azure zenith]

Made a WhatsApp for our cohort

[rose holly]

Do referrals matter for citadel

[thin bramble]

Yes

Referrals matter for citadel

At least if you can't get interview

[tawdry pasture]

Just got bbg swe offer, no cpp experience. Not sure what team I should join, if I want to switch to trading/hedge fund

[twin verge]

the one you'd enjoy working on

or the stuff that's closest to the exchange

actually I lied

bloomberg dashboards -> trader dashboards might be the move

[obtuse flame]

Try to get put on a c++ team? Pretty sure Bloomberg trains you

[vague bobcat]

so cracked

[glass pivot]

FWIW I joined faang a bit over a year ago and have gotten pinged for interviews by numerous quant firm SWE recruiters in the last several months, so certainly seems possible if you’re able to clear the interview bar

[still sapphire]

That’s good to hear gives me hope xD, ty!

[rose holly]

if citadel is asking for "competing offers" they mean other quants right?

[tranquil wagon]

How do the quant people contact you

[dull torrent]

what location?

[somber ether]

chicago

[pallid berry]

i told them abt all my offers, but i only got the standard swe offer cuz none were comparable in comp

[pallid berry]

cit

[zenith panther]

i heard someone negod with google

and used wlb as part of the rzn

[pallid berry]

wtf😭

[zenith panther]

💀

[alpine mortar]

what's your profile like? were your faang projects systems related?

[robust turret]

Ik nobody asked but im just gonna say it

These are the top firms ranked by their names (not prestige)

[robust turret]

sry if I rated ur firm low, it's just based on name no other criteria

If anything it goes above Optiver

U agree with 1-5 though right 😎

[zenith panther]

u rated their firm too high

lol

or wait

ur rating by their literla name?

or how much name brand they are

[robust turret]

Literally the sound of their name

[zenith panther]

why is HRT so high

[quasi orbit]

why is virtu so low

[robust turret]

It flows off the tounge and it's rlly unique

[robust turret]

Basic

[vast relic]

tower too high

drw too low

[robust turret]

Noted, i'm revising the list

[rose holly]

Akuna is such a cool name tho

[robust turret]

That's gonna be way harder

cuz they're all fkin ass xD

I'll just do top 10

Ok i thought it was cringe at first but I see it now

[robust turret]

Top 10 Logos:

[midnight scroll]

By the sound of the name?

nah man im sorry Citadel Securities is a boring ass name how is that no 2

honestly all the generic "trading" "management" etc. should be nowhere near the top

[weary nacelle]

How do I actually prep for quant interviews lol

Curious more than anything tbh

[rose holly]

for swe it’s just leetcode mediums + some hards(depending on the firm)

some don’t even ask that just trivia up till systems stuff

for that u can read ostep if u didn’t take a class on it

[weary nacelle]

I did but ignored it, ty for the genuine advice 🙏🏽 also is there a huge pay difference between swe and traders? Curious as to how big the gap is

[rose holly]

rlly depends on the firm and what tier the firm is in

some traders at some firms make less than the avg at big tech, can rlly be anything

in general tho usually the traders get payed a bit more than swe’s

since for quants swe’s are more like the support for traders so they aren’t first priority

[weary nacelle]

Makes sense tyty

[rose holly]

ye np

in terms of difficulty getting a low tier quant for swe is about the same as big tech tbh but i would argue atp j take big tech

it’s the tier 1 quants that are very very selective

[weary nacelle]

btw im gpa gapped LMAO is that gonna fuck me for NG recruiting so I should probably go FAANG+ NG then pivot?

[rose holly]

just apply and try ur best tbh

if u get it for NG then great

if u get faang then yea u can pivot

ppl think after ng it’s over for quant

but quant swes are hired from anywhere rlly

it’s just the interview process might be harder for NG than intern

[weary nacelle]

fuck it we ball, I did a 2Sig interview this year but definitely wasn’t ready at the time but ofc I always get res screened at JS when I’ve tried

[rose holly]

JS res screens rlly hard

they also say to not apply the next cycle if there’s no significant improvement lmao

rlly j a toss up tbh

wouldn’t lose sleep over it

[weary nacelle]

will note lol tyty for info

Also what’s the green book that people about

[rose holly]

that’s for qt trading

u don’t need it at all for swe unless if u interviewing for hrt algo dev

but for qt trading it’s basically like the princeton review version for qt prepping

[weary nacelle]

Gotcha never knew exactly what that was, ty again

[rose holly]

yea np

[robust turret]

Probably the gamer in me but Citadel is a fortress on a mountain i'm in love w/ the name 😵‍💫

[midnight scroll]

Citadel is ok

Citadel securities not so much

[robust turret]

Noted

[robust turret]

I wish

[tranquil wagon]

I disagree so strongly

[vague forge]

probably

[brisk ingot]

does hrt have traders?

[vast relic]

they had algo traders a while back

idk abt now

[sour python]

hrt algo dev 😍

[glass pivot]

Mainly via LinkedIn, one or two via the email I have listed on my resume

[glass pivot]

My profile isn’t anything crazy, graduated with good GPA from a decent state school, previous internship at faang which was a pretty standard intern project, I’m currently on a backend C++ team which I think probably helps catch interest from quant firms

[queen pendant]

just basic betting games

[peak vortex]

Hey @low mural, mind if I dm you about 5r? I sent you a fr

[sweet drift]

any c++ experts
how do you do network programming
and multithreading is there any good resources , is openmp a drop in for os threads

[willow portal]

https://beej.us/guide/bgnet/html/split/

[brave vessel]

if ur not using external libs, most networking in c++ is the good all beejs socket programming

[zenith panther]

beej is goated

[brave vessel]

im acc working on a multithreaded socket level program in c++ myself

ya in my networks class our prof just said read this for the labs

[brave vessel]

what job do u want

quant dev?

[drifting pelican]

Any books that yall recommend I read for quant swe internships for the future?

[drifting pelican]

Passing and interview and job

It could be resources too

[wraith wolf]

Accelerated C++, OSTEP, Understanding the linux kernel for low latency dev stuff

undergrad probability is prolly fine for QT

QR is don't worry about it lil bro

[rotund glacier]

bad advice

you can get intern offers from most intern places non knowing a lot of this stuff

[wraith wolf]

If u want a job just become LC 🙉

As with pretty much all jobs

[deep cargo]

rly? every single one of my quant interviews have asked c++ (mostly) and systems/os stuff.

[rotund glacier]

jane street doesn't ask any of that stuff

nobody has rlly ever asked me for C++ specifics, even for C++ roles like radix

[drifting pelican]

really so what would you advise doing? just more LC?

[rotund glacier]

Write more big projects

Code for fun

[empty jacinth]

how easy is it to switch into SWE roles or ML research in industry roles after years as a quant?

[rotund glacier]

I guess the radix phone was p hard C++

maybe I'm wrong

I don't remember

[glossy sparrow]

are you allowed to do the interviews in Python?

[low vault]

Berkele so scuffed

[still sapphire]

Do you and normally do all you guys have really descriptive LinkedIn jobs and what you did? Does that help more in terms of recruiters reaching out to you constantly?

[remote mural]

anyone here work at cit 🥺

[zenith panther]

all my quant interviews were leetcode 😹

[twin cloud]

why

[plush gust]

For summer 2024? I thought most quant stuff recruited earlier

Ahh ok

[haughty hinge]

Anyone did sig qr/qs onsite?

[dull torrent]

bruh what quants?

[rose holly]

like most?

[deep cargo]

[dull torrent]

lol, this was not the case for me. most of them really went with low level, networking, syntax comprehensive etc

[rose holly]

damn

[dull torrent]

also great music taste 😭😭 who hurt you

[rose holly]

thanks lmaooo

followed u

[dull torrent]

LMAO

🥹back

[candid tulip]

Does anyone have any advice for two sigma swe final behavioral?

[frosty plank]

Did you alr ace the technical finals?

[last herald]

ostep is still a somewhat useful read but yeah you don't really need much besides like very basic systems

[candid tulip]

was asking for friend but yes i think they finished

[dire summit]

Hi friends, has anyone heard of Tibra Capital?

follow up question: how bad is being a platform/devops engineer at a no name quant firm?

[midnight scroll]

The Australians?

ex-optiver people but idk much else aside from that

[dire summit]

Yea the ozzies

[dire summit]

Oh shit really?

In regards to SWE career

[midnight scroll]

yeah they got in a lawsuit lmao becasue they got accused of stealing trade secrets since they made money too fast after leaving

[dire summit]

Oh I didn't know that that's kinda dodgy

😅

Same

[midnight scroll]

Eh I mean who knows

The industry is full of oppressive non competes and whatnot

Could just be overzealous optiver

[final bluff]

#janestreet

[split lintel]

Jane Street

[rotund glacier]

@primal shell did someone mention me lol

[rotund glacier]

I did, yes

[full ridge]

Juda

[split lintel]

prestige

[weary nacelle]

Ligma

[brisk hearth]

Do qt interviews ask about calc, lin alg, and/or did eqs?

[hallow shoal]

Anybody have any experience negotiating more money after signing with another competing. Asking for a friend.

[dire summit]

would you take this job at a qt:

What you will be doing:

- Deployment, support and monitoring of new platforms and application stacks - measurement and optimization of system performance
- Maintenance and troubleshooting of our core global platform
Introducing and integrating new technologies into existing platforms
- Liaising with stakeholders and supporting their needs
- Creating technical documentation related to system configuration and operation

🥲

[brisk hearth]

that looks like a dev job description

[dire summit]

what really?

sounds like sys admin or devops to me

[brisk hearth]

yea i considered sys admin as a subset of swe

[dire summit]

[jagged wadi]

does anyone know the process for 2nd yr quantitative research analyst for 2 sigma? i got an email invite

[vocal drift]

anyone had peak6 interview?

[rose holly]

what to expect for citadel second phone?

[haughty hinge]

Bruh what didn’t u cop

[rose holly]

Does imc accept sophomores though

What do they ask for

[deep cargo]

they did last yr

[midnight scroll]

Wait they base grad year off that?

What about the legit 3 year grad people lol

[meager sluice]

What’s the best way to solve fermi questions?

[spark seal]

be omnipotent

[midnight scroll]

Fair enough ig

Annoying for me because im gonna end up my sophmore year with 140 credits lol I guess

then again im not even applying to these places im just here to read

[vast relic]

They didn’t accept those this yr

I’m a legit 3 yr grad and my school has a lot of those but they said I was too young

[rose holly]

Wait how do they verify hs grad date

[manic prism]

Guys, anyone taken the first round Optiver technical interview? QR role. Any suggestions about preparing for it?

[celest star]

Anyone done citadel phone b4 I would super appreciate some advice I've never had a quant interview b4

[rose holly]

i got a lc easy

[celest star]

I think I should prep two sum

all variations

[rose holly]

nah phone is the easiest round

i got east hashmap

on-site is harder with harder mediums and potentially hards

they are very rng in terms of difficulty

[celest star]

okay good to know

I'll just prep everything tbh

I literally just started applying and they ask about competing processes but they are the first outside of my RO for next coop and FT after

but that company isnt really at that standard idk if I should put it

[brisk ingot]

swe? got one of the easier lc hards, and then a networks trivia question at the end

beginning was asking abt my projects, and he asked abt technical details and design choices on it

[rose holly]

Does anyone recommend any books for learning c++ well including trivia?

[celest star]

for intern?

[brisk ingot]

yea

[celest star]

ok

do u remember what the networks question was

[brisk ingot]

1 sec

ill type out the prompt

"when one server connects to another server, it establishes a bi-directional channel so that both servers can communicate through that channel. Now when two servers are trying to connect to each other at the exact same time, how do you go about preventing two bidirectional channels from being created"

[celest star]

I'm cooked

[supple shoal]

whats the answer lol

[rose holly]

no it depends on the resume and what u put on the questionarre

so don’t lie on that

[celest star]

doing it rn

[rose holly]

they will only ask u what to state u know well on the quessionare and the resume

so don’t cap and say u know OS when u don’t

some shit like that

[celest star]

but

doing os class rn

[rose holly]

it’s an example dawg

💀

[celest star]

its joke

[rose holly]

u get the point

i was about to say

[celest star]

yes

[brisk ingot]

honestly bruh it took me like 15 mins, i gave like 5 other random potential answers before getting to the actual answer

[brisk ingot]

yea put os/systems high on the questionnaire

[brisk ingot]

said that have an lock when a server tries to establish a connection, and the lock can only be accessed if the server trying to create the connection has a lower id than the other one, which he said was a valid answer

i.e. server 1 can make the connection to server 2, but not vice versa

[celest star]

thats what chat gpt said

1 of 5 answers

[brisk ingot]

lmao fire

honestly got lucky the question was more systems-y than pure networks trivia

[celest star]

well its more like 2 real answers and 3 half baked ones

but thats one of the real onezs

other is three way handshake apparently

[brisk ingot]

don't think the handshake would work in this case? solution would have to avoid race conditions

but idk haven't taken a networks class yet

[celest star]

idk dont shoot the messenger

[brisk ingot]

ye

[lethal cape]

How long did it take for ppl to hear back after first citadel phone (for swe)

[rose holly]

Does anyone recommend any books for learning c++ well including trivia?

[soft geyser]

Are any quants still hiring for '24? either FT or intern, probably didn't pass Voleon

[rose holly]

brah is this real

https://www.linkedin.com/in/atul-madan-4320aa297/

this dude got js qr freshman

[rose holly]

100% troll account

[rose holly]

is there any online resource to study lc questions that utilize some very mathy trick for optimizations?

not the basic stuff on. neetcode

[midnight scroll]

Codeforces has user curated "math" lists

Albeit the problem difficulty ranges

Probably overkill but maybe theres some LC curated lists out there as well

[haughty hinge]

Anyone interviewed for citsec DDM/voice trading intern?

[proud fossil]

Atcoder is more mathy as well

[twin cloud]

ama i know the ins and outs of it

[rose holly]

why not work on your weaknesses?

[rose holly]

How do I learn c++ trivia

[robust turret]

QR does NOT build trading platform

Someone teach me the hack for Zetamac 2 digit multiplication takes like 5 seconds 🥴

[robust turret]

🤓

[robust turret]

Have to get there first

[rose holly]

akuna ded

[robust turret]

what does that even mean 😭

[rose holly]

Wait so why did this guy go through all this effort just to make a troll account lmao

[split lintel]

lol
but what about citsec? is that regarded as on a similar level as jane street?

[split lintel]

And what makes Rentech "literally Jesus"?

Ooh interesting
Thanks

[solar drum]

live laugh love hrt

[brave vessel]

besides hft and market making, is it all just insider trading

[deep cargo]

Yes, ask Nancy Pelosi

[robust turret]

What is Market Making?

[thin copper]

Anyone take the optiver hardware OA?

[sweet drift]

market making is peak insider trading

[robust turret]

Can you explain more, I heard this term before but idk what it is

How do you Make a Market?

Huh?

[haughty hinge]

[robust turret]

Can u please use more than 1 word to explain this concept

[brave vessel]

use google poopy head, they basically are middle men, someone wants to sell something at some price but there isnt anyone who want to buy it for that price yet, they are willing to buy it now at that price and sell it later, the market makers compete to give the seller the best prices while still being able to to sell it to a buyer at a profit, to do so they need to accurately price the thing being bought and sold

the purpose they serve is when u want to sell or buy something u can always do so quickly and at a good price

they add liquidity to the market

if only 1 person wanted to buy ur apples today then they could say i will pay u 1 dollar when u want 10 dolalrs for it, if u dont have time to wait for other buyers u will have to sell for a price that is less then what the apples are actually worth, hence the marker makers make the market more efficient

so even tho they are middle men they still serve a purpose

[robust turret]

That makes sense

But why do they need to price the security? Cant they just use current price to offer the tighest bid/ask

[weary nacelle]

Would meta or Apple be better for quant recruiting

[robust turret]

Netflix

[weary nacelle]

I got reject

[robust turret]

rest is fair game

[brave vessel]

they need to know the true value to know if they are over or under paying for the security when they buy off the seller and if they will be able to sell at a profit, they need to know how risky it is buying off the seller and what is the likelihood of getting profit. there is a trade off between offering a good deal and getting the contract and being too risky, unless they find inefficiencies in the market the risk to reward ratio will be perfectly balanced and they wont make money

[robust turret]

You’re a genius

[robust turret]

At the end of they day they don’t really know the true value, but all they can do is use probability to determine their edge?

And in the long run probability pans out I think

[brave vessel]

ya pretty much, they want to get a better evaluation of the security that others do not know and that they can be confident has more reward then risk. they are doing things which would appear risky but but they researched and found that their pricing is acc not that risky

[robust turret]

Do market makers only deal with options or do they provide liquidity to the stocks themselves i.e NYSE

[brave vessel]

ya if the market is perfectly efficient then the losses from risky contracts will eat away at their profits from risky contracts that they didnt lose money on

[brave vessel]

im not sure but ig it could apply to more then options, i dont know why theyfocus on options

im not pursing quant but there was a time when i researched this stuff

[robust turret]

it’s prob cause there’s a lot more risk management techniques when trading a derivative like options i.e vertical spread

Hedging*

[brave vessel]

ya maybe, ig its more complicated to model

[robust turret]

What are u pursuing?

[brave vessel]

i have no fucking idea, maybe distro sys, im comp eng so i could do quant dev stuff, like people at the company im interning at went on to imc, hrt, headlands and shit, the pipeline is real, but ultimately if ur doing tech, i think u will be more valued in tech, i just like that in quant dev they seem to do real engineering

if u want to do fpga stuff, the quants will snatch u up, im not particalarly interested in fpga stuff. if u have really good c++ knoweldge u can do quant dev, i like c++ and have decent knowledge in it but there are significant flaws and i just dont think its worth it

like pay is comparable to faang, except u need to be just as qualified and there are way less positions

so its just harder for no benefit for quant dev

qr they get paid the big bucks but its also saturated af

thats the problem with good jobs, the people who have them wont shut up about them then the market gets saturated as everyone hops on the bandwagan looking to make ez cash, the ogs who were advertising their jobs are already seniors so the saturation effects them less, the new blood is getting aids

like pre 2008 would have been prime quant time, or even a little after 2008

not too many people knew about it so it was much easier to get a job

[sweet drift]

every time u buy stuff from your margin account or invest in mutual funds you’re essentially buying from them

[robust turret]

I think absolutely the trading field is super depressing and you won’t be as valued as you are in big tech. I mean they’re only in the business of making money and nothing else but that’s the trade off to being the millionaire wallstreet nerd 😵‍💫

[brave vessel]

ya finance they dont value the eng boys as much, maybe hft since most people their are cs but in anything else ur kinda looked down upon

[robust turret]

I think it builds grit, maybe start off HFT/MM couples years >> retire into Big Tech

I think HFT mostly deal with stocks by placing hella limit orders at certain prices and selling them in the blink of an eye

HFT make their profits from the underlying and not derivatives

Hold on 😂

Peak6 this summer

I confused myself i’m still learning

ty tho

Quant trading

I’m confused how do you price an equity? Is that not just buying/selling to make the stock move?

[sweet drift]

it takes .1 + seconds to blink your eyes
HFT trading is done at nanosecond latency ~

.1s = 1,000,000,000 nanosecs

[robust turret]

Wait before you continue, you’re getting into options, i’m talking about the securities not the options

[sweet drift]

earnings are priced in

oh true

[robust turret]

So pricing the security comes down to who has the most money cause you’re just buying up all the supply to create higher prices. No mathematical formulas right? (NOT options)

Wait do the opposite

can we switch

Wait how is that different from what I said

Apple has a prop firm 😭

i’m kidding

[sweet drift]

yeah I’m wondering even if they liquidated all their capital to buy apple would it even move the price significantly

probably not

[robust turret]

Why would they sell instead of realizing profit at the topside?

😄

No buyers

[sweet drift]

do you guys trade too

and test your knowledge out lol

[robust turret]

What kind of operation do u think Tim Cook has to short circuit a theoretical price surge like that? @blissful kite

[robust turret]

I trade every day

[sweet drift]

rip

[robust turret]

Tim Cook has a prop firm for sure

They don’t sleep

Cause if Citsec decided to skyrocket apple overnight, how would Cook react fast enough to sell

Hehe

OTC 😵‍💫

Oh I believe it

phones? wdym

Oh what do u do?

r u a student?

😭 free tracy

right

seems trivial tho

Ye, that’s A LOT more exposure than most will ever

grats

mid but whatever

start somewhere

thank you

will do

[zenith panther]

is otc prestigious 🤔

[thin bramble]

Do quant devs earn more over 10 years amortized

[haughty hinge]

Probably avoiding ultra sweaty 8 figure salaries

[fast gazelle]

when u want to say average or total but want to impress the essay grader

[ruby fog]

how goes it

[fast gazelle]

doing good. Took the RO

wbu

[ruby fog]

more internships!

sigh

[burnt saffron]

How is cboe / cme in the field, working as swe

[shy tide]

amortized 💀

this guy is stuck in algos class

[thin bramble]

amortized means over time

[zenith panther]

amortized is redundant

as you said

(over) 10 years (time)

this is why ur at jane street and im at amazon

🥱

[brave vessel]

compared to qrs?

i thought there was more growth for qr compared to qd

[deep cargo]

He’s probably talking about compared to tech

[brave vessel]

ah

i feel like tech might be better

if u love c++ qd could be a play

[brave vessel]

i feel lke learning ocaml is just way too specialized

[midnight scroll]

ocaml is kind of neat but I wouldnt use it again outside of the courses it was required in

Although its impossible for me to understand some of the ocaml code I write sometimes

[proud fossil]

I had to force myself to stop learning ocaml bc of how unproductive it was for getting a job, top 3 language tho

[old sand]

u go to harvard? idk any other college that uses ocaml lol

[midnight scroll]

nah maryland

Theres a required class thats kind of an intro to automota theory and functional programming

Uses Ocaml for the majority of it

The compilers class also uses Ocaml (sometimes some other functional langs I think)

[deep cargo]

Ocaml is disgusting

[old sand]

lmao i like how most courses on that list are about programming languages and compilers, and boston college just has it for cs1

[haughty hinge]

Anyone had exp recruiting new grad for qr without exp? from a decent school

[vast relic]

man dont give up yet 😭

[haughty hinge]

Too late

[random igloo]

What do you think caused you not to get an interview? School prestige?

[haughty hinge]

I got hella interviews

[haughty hinge]

But for ng it’s a different story

[ruby fog]

yo

[crystal storm]

was it possible?

[vast relic]

no

[ruby fog]

can you stop

u gotta relax

i didnt feel like answering

maybe later

😦

yo

[deft citrus]

anyone hear back after point72 data eng. hackerrank / hirevue?

[brave vessel]

🤫 🧏‍♂️

people who have the skills to get quant will be too busy mewing

[brave vessel]

i think he ment internship

although i know a guy who got a job at hrt and helped one of my friends get a job at imc

although both are insanely cracked so that prob why he helped him

[brave vessel]

how much c++ would u need to know for quant dev?

[brave vessel]

do u guys think qd will transition to rust anytime soon or is that a pipe dream

i feel like finance is more boomer esque

[random igloo]

tracy you are a poor poor pooor poor kid

(i'm coping because my school is dogshit)

[brave vessel]

genuinely what are the differences between like ocaml and haskell, how funky can u get with functional languages

https://medium.com/sourcescribes/how-to-choose-haskell-or-ocaml-8299032672a8#:~:text=OCaml has a smaller community%2C and its library ecosystem is,modern Unicode-aware string type.

i mean haskell seems really cool but im pretty sure its considered dead

[zenith panther]

if i interview im giving them the cursed question

💀

[celest star]

whats the cursed question

[zenith panther]

gatekeeping

sorry

[celest star]

this?

Yeah they asked me to obtain a complete system of C^\infty conjugation invariants for Morse-Smale diffeomorphisms

[late hedge]

Anyone here is a swe at trading firms or QD, maybe 0-3 years , juniorish. Could I pm you with some questions please?

[queen jewel]

whats the meta -> quant pipeline? I wanna do a quant internship for my last yr. Which companies are easier targets?

[rose holly]

lower quant firms are easy/have chill interviews but not better than big tech

[queen jewel]

I'll def need to step up my LC game.

are you expected to be able to solve most hards

or is like 50% ok

Which company?

[queen jewel]

i guess its good practice atleast

[shy tide]

is HRT still hiring interns for SWE Summer 24 ?

recruiter reached out to me

[shy tide]

i was j wondering bc it's so late in the recruiting season

[deep cargo]

I mean if they reached out they probably have a couple spots

[brisk ingot]

yea they said application still open but closing soon

[zenith panther]

HRT > JS

HRT 🐐

HRT > every firm tho tbh

[neat summit]

I have heard for quant-dev that making a trading engine is a great project. But for quant-research what projects would you recommend. And would you recommend specific buy/sell side quant-research projects?

Even if they are non-finance ML applications?

[ruby fog]

that is not a side project lol

takes way more time to not be qualified as a side project

but sure

[wintry tendon]

i think thats the point

[quasi orbit]

does js "blacklist" if u fail the onsite?

[celest star]

They just decide you’re perma not a good fit?

[rose holly]

citadel doesn’t blacklist right

[deep cargo]

im pretty sure it depends on the round u get to

[quasi orbit]

onsite?

[deep cargo]

yeah on the onsite

[quasi orbit]

like assuming i fail before lunch

[rose holly]

wait they perma blacklist?

i thought it was for a year or two

[celest star]

for what round?

[rose holly]

2nd phone

[celest star]

idk

did u do first phone?

I have it tmrw

[rose holly]

ya i did

first phone rlly easy

second phone was easy too but he asked me a mathy optimizated q

[celest star]

second phone is just 3 first phones bacl to back no?

[rose holly]

that was very niche

[rose holly]

no

[celest star]

it says that on the document they sent me

[rose holly]

thats final bro

even tho they say its only one phone round

they give multiple most times

[celest star]

wait so they call it First Round Interview then theres Virtual Onsite and then thers Team Introduction

but you're saying theres multiple first round?

[rose holly]

yea

[celest star]

fck

[rose holly]

for most ppl ik including myself they gave us multiple of those

i think they have a lack of certain indication

[celest star]

what role?

[rose holly]

cuz cit can ask either rlly easy qs or rlly hard

its not consistent

[rose holly]

swe

[celest star]

hmm ok

im swe as well

did u ask recruiter about it?

like why am I doing first round again?

[rose holly]

no cuz my friends had to do that too

they just do that

so didnt ask

ik someone who had three inital phones

althought i heard three is rare

atmost two usually

and then its final which is three back to back phones p much

[celest star]

interesting

I guess if they didnt get a strong enough signal?

but after final

is team introduction

[rose holly]

yea

[celest star]

where u still dont have offer and could not match

so its not really final

lol

[rose holly]

honestly just like hope u dont get a mathy question

those are the absolute worst

[celest star]

I assume you mean mathy leetcode style? or just a straight math question?

[rose holly]

yea bruh those the worst

like hard math ones

not the basic algebra ones on neetcode

[celest star]

hoping I dont get one

and if I do

Imma ace that shit

[quasi orbit]

wait deadass/

like for intern or intern + ng

i think they hired a few

or what if i just run intern

[zenith panther]

hard math ones are the best to do tf

its always binary representation

or do sqrt of big number and find smth

[quasi orbit]

wtf

its hard

i think its 2 technical -> lunch -> one more technical

[deep cargo]

less rounds for swe and if ur not perfect ur gone for js

[quasi orbit]

ng is 2 -> lunch -> 4

oh im talking abt swe

[deep cargo]

👎

[rose holly]

the dude asked me some combo thing

[zenith panther]

combo is my favorite

😈

[rose holly]

good for u buddy

[zenith panther]

just count all the valid solutions

😭

[rose holly]

bro my shit was harder

😭😭

it wasn’t that simple

[zenith panther]

nah

just count em

[blissful kite]

Lol that sounds brutal

[rose holly]

i wish it was that

[zenith panther]

💀

js swe is hard asf i hear

they dont ask hard questions

just really care abt speed and not messing up during implementation