So is optiver
#quants-n-traders
cyan shoal
median mauve
so is hrt
thin bramble
hrt onsite is very hard?
median mauve
hrt onsite is very hard?
just get the Qs off someone
thin bramble
Wdym
wintry tendon
not swe
thin bramble
If you can’t pass phones how do you expect to pass onsite
cyan shoal
If you can’t pass phones how do you expect to pass onsite
I mean certain companies u just get the questions ahead of time
Also a lot of interview content isnt the best judge about if ur gonna succeed
Like u can suck at os trivia and lc hards
But still do fine as a dev
At citsec or hrt
wintry tendon
a lot of ppl still fail trading interviews with question before though
wintry tendon
idk but like pass other places w/o alpha
cyan shoal
Also certain trading firms are moving to more open ended questions that the interviewer can take in any direction
So that kinda changes each interview
Regardless of even if q is the same
cyan shoal
Idk it is what it ks
Is
Afaik jump doesn't reuse that much
Cause they tailor to ur resme
Very unfortunate for me
thin bramble
what happens when some company gives an offer
cyan shoal
what happens when some company gives an offer
Wdym?
U get a call with verbal offer then offer letter
And deadline
thin bramble
?
cyan shoal
Sounds like a genius idea
thin bramble
Citadel said they’ll issue offer in 1 day but 1 day passed and nothing happened
boreal tartan
gg
tranquil wagon
I would personally but I wanna be a game dev, depends on what you want
deep cargo
riot would be cooler, and you still have palantir fall
and you can get quant next yr
its just really what you want long term
but trying game dev for a summer is low risk, just to get a feel for what its like and you'll learn a lot
static musk
optimal
quasi orbit
If you passed cit on-site, how long does it take to hear back usually?
autumn scarab
If you passed cit on-site, how long does it take to hear back usually?
3 business days
quasi orbit
3 business days
Rly?
clear grove
why u in db server 😂
latent bone
Got citadel sec first round zoom. Is this the same as phone or?
digital schooner
If you passed cit on-site, how long does it take to hear back usually?
up to a few weeks
cerulean gazelle
nocturne estuary
rope outcome
(-.(-.(-.-).-).-) Radix Simp
I was literally sleeping on the couch and the light falls on me
300k is the new 100k
quant screen doesnt exist
Pfp is Rose from BlackPink. Stop asking.
Workaholic Vibes / Music
dire summit
lime flume
If you passed cit on-site, how long does it take to hear back usually?
My friends are saying if you don’t here back within a day or 2 you didn’t get rejected yet
But otherwise they’re still interviewing for other applicants and getting the best options
quasi orbit
My friends are saying if you don’t here back within a day or 2 you didn’t get re...
i see
lime flume
i highkey think they screen based on your accomplishments after ur final
quasi orbit
ive never seen anyone get rejected within 2 days tho
thin bramble
How to get trading interviews
low mural
pass the oa
thin bramble
I passed the oa and still no interview
hazy dune
I passed the oa and still no interview
how is ur luck out of 10?
dusty jetty
did anyone recently apply for optiver and just get auto rejected for no reason?
deep cargo
did anyone recently apply for optiver and just get auto rejected for no reason?
Headcount
quasi orbit
has anyone interviewed for hap capital swe intern before?
hallow shoal
Has anyone done the references/code sample part of the de shaw process?
I've done it. Although still waiting so.... idk how much help it is
tranquil nova
How long does hrt take to respond after phone for swe
boreal tartan
I am tau
thin bramble
I have the impression that they've just started doing onsites
stiff girder
How long does hrt take to respond after phone for swe
1 day lmao
stiff girder
im shit at swe i cant pass anything
low vault
lyric loom
:orz:
thin bramble
Is citsec better than citadel for swe internship
Assuming citadel is relatively front desk gQS trading systems team
sudden sonnet
how is voleon swe VO
rose holly
how is voleon swe VO
CONGRATS!!!
sudden sonnet
bro please
oblique orbit
Did anyone finish RBC quant analyst superday td dm if yea
thorny gate
they kinda ask whatever they want
fast gazelle
@rose holly 
rose holly
<@456226577798135808> <a:porz:822190264072011776>
wat
fast gazelle
you got ramp offer
obtuse flame
Does five rings ghost instead of rejecting? For trade operations engineer
thorny gate
more detail in dms
forest forum
Any front office quants here who trade on a daily basis?
half apex
anyone have experience with the techops process at jump?
got a friend with the first interview soon, any advice or insight would be great
cyan shoal
Omc 5r
obtuse flame
lol gotcha, thx
thin bramble
Does anyone know what book is suitable to quickly learn exploratory data analysis?
thin bramble
In general how do I prepare for HRT algo dev onsite
supple shoal
virtu is phone + final
split lintel
forest forum
Does anyone know what book is suitable to quickly learn exploratory data analysi...
Why focused on a book?
thin bramble
Do you have advice on EDA
thin bramble
Is seaborn available in HRT onsite data analysis
hardy lodge
Does five rings ghost instead of rejecting? For trade operations engineer
they ghost lol
modest kayak
do qds at quants get paid more than swes?
thin bramble
What’s the difference
vague sentinel
qd is closer to research and the "front line" than swe is
thin bramble
ok
vague sentinel
u might have to do some work related to strategies
where swe kind of doesn't have to worry abt that most of the time
thin bramble
I see that some devs in trading firms do the same thing as technical companies
Basically nothing trading related
vague sentinel
yeah, a lot of people in quant swe aren't doing direct trading related things a lot of the time
whereas qd can't usually say the same
thin bramble
Feeling that it is best to generate pnl, have to generate pnl to get pnl cut
But can't get into quant role, so nothing i can do
vague sentinel
all these roles are very well compensated, generally speaking
thorny gate
i didnt have a single test case lol and still passed
obtuse flame
they ghost lol
Bruh that’s messed up
azure zenith
Optiver has no "quant Dev" role to my knowledge
The work I did as swe was effectively what could be classed as quant dev
As for your original question it's firm dependent
In optiver, no, it won't matter as it's all just done via level
But at other firms maybe a qd might get more, depends on your definition of qd. For example if they design the strategy of the algos, not just implement it, they might get a % bonus from the algos' performance
Yes
wintry tendon
In optiver, no, it won't matter as it's all just done via level
are levels a thing for traders too
azure zenith
are levels a thing for traders too
Yes
If I recall correctly (honestly can't remember confidently), both have the same level system with same comp, it's just that traders get pnl bonus or equivalent
In ams
But I may be wrong, I just vaguely remember it from one of our presentations for benefits etc
wintry tendon
so like if you have a good yr but not enough to like go to next level you'd still get more marbles
azure zenith
Not more marbles, that's something else
But you'd get a good performance multiplier on your marbles' value
wintry tendon
oh gotcha
azure zenith
You can get up to 2x multiplier afaik
wintry tendon
is there region multiplier too?
azure zenith
You can get up to 2x multiplier afaik
Same for swe
azure zenith
is there region multiplier too?
I don't think so, not sure
I know they try to keep regionally similar salaries but relative to the region
wintry tendon
makes sense thx
remote trellis
might be a stupid question, but in terms of resume value for HFT, is BB worth more than G? What about databricks?
thanks. Why?
vague sentinel
Probably should just pick the one you're more likely to want to work at
thin bramble
Choose the one you like if you didn’t manage to get into HFT
azure zenith
might be a stupid question, but in terms of resume value for HFT, is BB worth mo...
nope
they don't care
i mean if you have a competitor HFT on your cv you are more likely to get an interview etc.
but BB vs Google? I'd pick google
and also regardless of the name, as the others said, choose the one you actually want lmao
honest delta
might be a stupid question, but in terms of resume value for HFT, is BB worth mo...
What’s bb?
remote trellis
What’s bb?
Bloomberg
honest delta
Ahh
tranquil wagon
might be a stupid question, but in terms of resume value for HFT, is BB worth mo...
What g
Oh nvm
remote trellis
Not mine, my friend was asking me this
haughty hinge
Anyone interview for IMC qr new grad?
drifting granite
might be a stupid question, but in terms of resume value for HFT, is BB worth mo...
don't do it
obtuse flame
might be a stupid question, but in terms of resume value for HFT, is BB worth mo...
Project matters more, like if you get to work on Ocaml stuff JS will like you
thin bramble
What does it mean for JS to "like you"
JS hiring seems to be completely opaque
There's no behavioral round or resume questions at any point
wintry tendon
2nCn is an integer and includes all primes from n to 2n
are the primes from n to 2n included in n!
vague sentinel
but none of the primes from n to 2n are divided out
because they're prime
they have no divisors
that's probably a sufficient proof
wintry tendon
its a cool question tbf
thin bramble
Seems Citadel have different deferred comp policy than CitSec?
I hear CitSec allow people to keep deferred comp if they quit but citadel does not
obtuse flame
I think it helps with getting past resume screen
one intern at bb used ocaml lol
and they were at js intern
rare case for sure
wintry tendon
im sure cool os contributions to ocaml are viewed very positively
thin bramble
What do you mean by "os contribution"
ok
It's probably not worth it to do ocaml solely for JS
I feel
vague sentinel
it's incredibly not worth 🤣
some people like it tho so
they can do what they want
wintry tendon
ngmi if you arent willing to become a top ocaml OS contributer for a marginal increase in probability of working at jane street
thin bramble
ngmi if you don't have 80 hour days
thin bramble
I interviewed this year and lunch was grab some food from upstairs and eat quietly in interview room
drifting granite
NEET
robust totem
waz
vague sentinel
I have a hard time believing these are rly js questions
I feel like a high schooler who does competition math can do all of them
Unless there's like a 1min time limit or smth
Fr
runic grotto
Just look up log properties
wintry tendon
by inspection
broken thorn
does ocaml have benefits over other functional languages
cuz i kind of like functional programming from my class in it (this is stockholm syndrome and a cry for help)
vague sentinel
It's not induction
Simplify the right hand side using log rules to look like the bottom
And also use inequalities to turn the left hand side into the bounds
And see what u can do
Yeah
True oops
It might actually be induction then
Bc then it ends at some point
thin bramble
HRT interview email says
"You'll be asked to write code through Jupyter Notebook. Your options are C++ and Python."
How does one write C++ in jupyter notebook
tawdry bramble
How does one write C++ in jupyter notebook
Jupyter is like a platform so theres many langs that work with it
Used to do julia on it
thin bramble
Do you have any example for how to set up C++ programming in C++, or are there online examples for this?
autumn scarab
Do you have any example for how to set up C++ programming in C++, or are there o...
they mean setting up c++ for jupyter I think
thin bramble
Oh I meant jupyter
cold pulsar
anyone interview for PDT partners network engineer?
long raft
HRT interview email says
"You'll be asked to write code through Jupyter Noteboo...
For what role?
granite saffron
Anyone interview at squarepoint for qd (junior technologist)?
thin bramble
For what role?
algo dev
thin bramble
I did OA ~50 days ago
white verge
anyone know if hrt algo dev oa is same as hrt swe oa?
tranquil nova
different
white verge
aight thx
vernal talon
which firms let you defer an internship offer to a different season or the next summer?
analog bay
anyone done de shaw systems engineering
thin bramble
Which master program did you go
thin bramble
But you will only get thesis when you are near graduation
For intern there is no gain
jagged seal
anyone here who's done sig trading interview (OA)?
slender bluff
Alexander Nagel from cornell?
signal bloom
Anyone here who did jane street quant trader intern interview recently?
tranquil nova
Anyone know how hrt core second phone is
supple shoal
i got to onsite for summer, but unsure if i also applied for fall/spring. would i be eligible to reapply for fall/spring?
hallow shoal
i got to onsite for summer, but unsure if i also applied for fall/spring. would ...
idk unfortunately. I guess getting the summer offer and maybe asking for fall is good
fast notch
Anyone know how long it takes to hear back from two sigma after final for swe?
That's fucked. I noticed that they were really quick when scheduling interviews. After the final round when I asked when I would hear back, they've just been ghosting
shell gazelle
That's fucked. I noticed that they were really quick when scheduling interviews....
They’ve been ghosting my friend for 6+ weeks
jagged seal
anyone here with experience working for really small prop shop (<50)? Just got scheduled a zoom and don't know what to expect :/ role is for new grad
supple shoal
idk unfortunately. I guess getting the summer offer and maybe asking for fall is...
Oh I meant I got rejected after on-site for summer, Dyk if I could reapply for off season
thorny gate
nah its not true the recruiters like to cap
hollow ivy
is it even worth it to be in the akuna process with how bad they are doing right now?
supple shoal
anyone know the two sigma oa bar for swe intern? and what topics?
rustic berry
Has anyone done the Akuna 201 course yet and what should I expect
vague sentinel
Yea
gleaming salmon
Is BAM a good firm for swe?
How does it compare to FAANG+
Googling yields v little info
low mural
anyone know any good coursera courses
vague sentinel
I don't rly have recent info, it's abt intern from last yr
But if ur still interested then yes
olive zodiac
true
paper nebula
Does citadel do off season?
brisk ingot
Does citadel do off season?
yes
thin bramble
3 days - months
visual frigate
has citidel filled out their quant software engineer spots since i got an OA from them today?
quaint tide
how would you know that information? do they tell you at the end of your interview?
spark seal
boreal tartan
no
thin bramble
How did you pass resume screen
solar axle
Someone told me in the future quant devs are gonna be the highest paying quants out there?
Dang really?
I find it hard to believe
They only hire experienced hires?
Is quant dev different from swe at quant?
Of swe experience?
Quant devs are better than swe at quant
They get paid more
And do more interesting work
vague sentinel
Less transferable to non Quant though, if that matters to you
thin bramble
Quant devs in what area are paid the most?
Is execution/trading systems considered quant dev or SWE
thin bramble
Anyone has advice on open ended questions in QR interviews?
burnt saffron
marble token
Anyone do the Jane Street TDO phone call?
tough sand
Anyone do the Jane Street TDO phone call?
Is this for intern? If so, how long after sending take home did u get call back?
marble token
Nah its for full time, My friends and I heard back in like 1-1.5 weeks for phone call after take home
JS notoriously slow though, I heard their process takes months and they never reply to an email within a week
tough sand
Yeah, submitted my take home for intern last week and still haven’t heard back so kinda nervous 😭
marble token
Give them a little more time, do you know who your recruiter is? (person that emailed you)
tough sand
Give them a little more time, do you know who your recruiter is? (person that em...
Can I dm?
marble token
Yeah
deep cargo
this is ft right?
you would have to give more info tbh, don't know too much about de shaw, and I don't think cit gqs is worth breaking bridges with optiver given (i think) they have a high attrition rate
(forgot this was cscd and not csm)
would post in csm in the new-grad offer debating section they have quite a few people who would know far more than me
yeah honestly if you are satisfied, would just drop out tbh. No point forcing yourself when you've alr achieved so much
could always just mention you have an offer and re-interview/expedite whenever, rather than getting rejected and potentially grey listed due to bad perf b/c you pushed yourself while burnt out
thin bramble
Optiver is a great place
signal bloom
anyone wants to prepare for qt interview? I got one w js
would love to do some mocks
uncut steeple
frail sapphire
anyone here work with fpga boards specifically for quant applications?
just wanted some insight on a prospective project I wanted to do
azure zenith
just wanted some insight on a prospective project I wanted to do
sup
I'm doing a project with a few FPGAs etc. to make a low-level exchange order book system
whats the project you want to do?
frail sapphire
Honestly not too sure
I wanted to something related to trade execution
I wanted to do something like data ingestion, processing, using some sort of mathematical modelling to evaluate and then execute a trade
azure zenith
I wanted to do something like data ingestion, processing, using some sort of mat...
On the FPGA..?
I would stay away from doing any complex* maths on the FPGA
Most FPGA autotraders are just rules based, the more complex calculation will be done elsewhere then the rules on the FPGA will be updated
azure zenith
Most FPGA autotraders are just rules based, the more complex calculation will be...
Happy to explain more on what this means if you're interested
frail sapphire
please do, I am just a beginner to FPGA
I got interested in them cuz I am currently taking a course that made us build a cache controller and the project was really fun
frail sapphire
Most FPGA autotraders are just rules based, the more complex calculation will be...
so what I am understanding from this is that data that the modelling is done elsewhere (ie cloud instance) then passed to a pin on the fpga board, then the fpga has some sort of rules that executes and autotrades
so hypothetically if I were to design something my top entity would have 2 components, one for ingestion, one for processing rules
am I on the right track here?
azure zenith
so what I am understanding from this is that data that the modelling is done els...
Yes, sounds about right
Usually something like pcie if I recall
azure zenith
so hypothetically if I were to design something my top entity would have 2 compo...
Could do yep
Ideally you want the components surrounding your "hot loop" to be as simple as possible, hence why it's often rules based (i.e. is the price between X and Y? Ok. Send an order. Etc.)
You will also want to consider designing good logging, because otherwise you will have no easy ways for checking your actual strategy is working
frail sapphire
what is a hot loop
is that similar to an eternal while loop
like in vhdl would it be something like
hot loop : process(data_bus)
begin
insert_rule_based_logic
end process
also this hot loop would you rather it be synchronous or combinational cuz both makes sense imo
but combinational makes more sense
since you'd want to execute everytime data changes
frail sapphire
Usually something like pcie if I recall
just a followup question so on your fpga board, what do you specifically need and can I buy a prebuild one
azure zenith
is that similar to an eternal while loop
no
frail sapphire
will do
azure zenith
since you'd want to execute everytime data changes
probably a combination of both sync and combinatorial, depends what your communication protocol is to the exchange
hot loop is not a "programming loop", it's just the line that data will flow throw from an input of market data -> output of a trade/response
"hot loop" as in it's where the live data flows throw and comes out, ideally very fast
frail sapphire
you got a repo for your project?
azure zenith
nope because I haven't started the FPGA side of it yet, just got the assembly OS working 😉
azure zenith
just a followup question so on your fpga board, what do you specifically need an...
this i cannot remember
frail sapphire
you built the OS from scratch?
frail sapphire
holy shit that's insane
azure zenith
it's not as complex as it might seem, I just have some simple IO and software multi-threading implemented for now
maybe a few thousand lines of ASM
frail sapphire
lmao that's pretty sick ngl
azure zenith
holy shit that's insane
my boards are basically an FPGA with a connection on the board to RAM, which an ARM cpu uses
i then have a 20-pin port on the board to use to connect to a clone of the board
on one of them, i'll run the exchange order book
the other i'll just use as an fpga auto trader
you will wnat to figure out how you're going to send & receive data from the FPGA
it's not as simple as it seems (how many wires? serial or parallel?)
as for getting an FPGA, honestly don't know the market well enough to help you there. You can find "pre-built" types that come relatively easy to setup but even then it's not that easy, I am lucky that these ones are just in my university and ready-made on a board
can DM me if you want more info/help, i'll stop filling up chat ^
frail sapphire
thanks I appreciate it
peak egret
If anyone is familair with the interview process for ares captial for QR and could shed some light on it it would be much appreciated!
haughty hinge
Has anyone interviewed for IMC qr full time?
rare ravine
Citadel deadline is so short
how do you know the citadel deadline? nothing said on JD on their career website?
empty burrow
What are the odds of passing HRT onsite if I made it to afternoon
it's been two weeks since my final interview for algo dev intern and one week since i last talked to them lol, still don't know about decision (but probably rejected tbh). but i think they will get back to u before ur deadline
brave vessel
if ur qr, do you have to code ur math in matlab/ python or can u do any lang u want
thin bramble
how do you know the citadel deadline? nothing said on JD on their career website...
I have a deadline
peak egret
if ur qr, do you have to code ur math in matlab/ python or can u do any lang u w...
depends on firm
most places cpp or python
silent night
do firms in the US take interns from other countries?
keen hedge
azure zenith
do firms in the US take interns from other countries?
Not very often
Most of them will just refer you to their EU or Asia offices
But you can usually move within the company to the US later on
thin bramble
Life is a complete joke
solar axle
for quant screens, is it true that if you apply with the same resume as last year with no additional experience you wont pass any screens from that?
thin bramble
i think its random
thin bramble
waiting for interview results
smoky gulch
modest kayak
how quick does tc go up for swe at quants like hrt, js, cit for average/top performers like 5 years out? 10 years out etc.?
quaint tide
when you apply to a place like jane street and they ask you why you want to work there what the hell do you even say
deep cargo
when you apply to a place like jane street and they ask you why you want to work...
smart people, interesting work, good culture etc
the same thing you say everywhere
deep cargo
do they even care
they care if your answer is bad.
quaint tide
LMFAOOO
deep cargo
tailor it to the company and do a little research just to show your interest
mention some detail on their website or in one of their videos or some shit
quaint tide
ok thank you for the advice :3
deep cargo
just to show you spent 5 min at least researching the company
silk arch
wind mulch
doesnt 5r take like 5 school
thin bramble
How long extension is it possible to get on a two week deadline
Is 1 week reasonable?
dense viper
Hi, may I ask what background is suitable for applying trading roles? Does Master student have a chance? Should student also have competition experiences or have paper published?
thin bramble
Stanford MSCS student with Stanford bachelors and multiple papers get into HRT algo dev
upbeat forum
So true
thin bramble
Is it a good idea to attempt to ask HRT fo update if I interviewed last friday
Assuming I have a deadline
high pendant
Is optiver swe intern at hc? Got an interview coming up
wintry tendon
Hi, may I ask what background is suitable for applying trading roles? Does Maste...
Background is less important than being able to pass interviews for trading
hazy hawk
Anyone done optiver FPGA hackerrank?
muted topaz
does js ever call to reject?
thin bramble
Idts
median mauve
does js ever call to reject?
thin bramble
:orz:
muted topaz
<:orz:1138516349350596750>
asking for my friend lol
js already rejected me 3 weeks ago 😭
thin bramble
when did you friend do onsite?
mellow sage
Is optiver swe intern at hc? Got an interview coming up
there's "a couple" spots left in Chicago, idk about Austin (source - just talked to recruiter)
high pendant
Sheesh
high pendant
there's "a couple" spots left in Chicago, idk about Austin (source - just talked...
Which office u in?
mellow sage
Which office u in?
chicago
thin bramble
How long does HRT take to respond after an onsite?
pallid berry
hey does anyone know what this role entails?
i have a huge interview right after it for a swe intern position and idk if this is even worth my time tbh
rose holly
someone needs to ban this grifter from linkedin
brave vessel
someone needs to ban this grifter from linkedin
what does he do?
i dont like tech influencers
rose holly
what does he do?
i think looking at his linkedin would tell u everything u would need to know
OH MY LORD
dont even get me started on that
theyre increasing competition for us
for no fucking reason
theyre not getting paid by linkedin
they're already past the point of landing internships
💀
cant wait for these mfs to join the next round of layoffs
will be fun to watch them beg for jobs
"plzz gib job, i was too busy repostings job postings on linkedin"
🕵️
idk why
but ive been having explosive diarrhea lately
its not fun
tight ember
if anyone could answer some of my questions for Optiver SWE intern for summer please dm me 🙏
vocal drift
anyone know if IMC QT is full?
vocal drift
unfort, thanks for letting me know
haughty hinge
are there any quant servers apart from tqd 2.0?
azure zenith
HRT just doesn’t respond to follow up
It's all automated
thin bramble
Most companies just reject when they see follow up
I don’t think HRT rejection is automated
They respond to email on rejection letter
azure zenith
No I meant that most of their system is automated
So they don't really pay much attention most of the time
from my experience
thin bramble
it’s after a entire onsite of 4 rounds
They really should pay attention
It’s not like hiring is a vending machine
azure zenith
meh
I had onsite scheduled and it said the wrong language in the email
Emailed them multiple times before, no response
azure zenith
It’s not like hiring is a vending machine
Pretty much
candid pier
anyone do the references round for de shaw?
tranquil nova
I have a deadline and they wont respond to expedite 😭
thin bramble
Why ghost, when you can just reject?
sick bolt
hmm then is it better to expedite hrt by sending a follow up email, or just leave it
cause it may just be an expedite to a rejection
but if you leave it and you were rejected then it doesn't say in their system you're rejected
but if you ask and u get an offer, its a W
thin bramble
Just ask
Offer after deadline is worse than reject before deadline
Only makes feel worse
boreal tartan
Anyone in the process of GSA capital for quant roles 🤔️
azure zenith
hmm then is it better to expedite hrt by sending a follow up email, or just leav...
follow up
if you get rejected when expediting then you were almost certainly going to be rejected anyway
if they see value you in you they will, at the very least, ask for more time
manic prism
Does anyone have a Discord focused on quantitative researcher jobs? If so, could you please invite me?
thin bramble
if they see value you in you they will, at the very least, ask for more time
If they ghost what does this mean
azure zenith
Haven't heard of them ghosting for final round. Check spam / promotions folders etc in your email. They are probably just slow and disorganised
thin bramble
They are just unresponsive
scenic bison
anyone do the references round for de shaw?
you havent done the reference check yet?
candid pier
Nope
scenic bison
just be weary big bro de shaw notorious for rejecting mfs at this stage
scenic bison
Nope
i have no clue why they do but ik hella people who have made it to reference check then failed
candid pier
Sg
ruby cypress
Anyone have tips for cit leadership call & the top 5 accomplishments doc?
thin bramble
be cool
ruby cypress
Rng like it’s possible to get more technicals or is it usually just behaviorals + resume grilling?
golden narwhal
Anyone have tips for cit leadership call & the top 5 accomplishments doc?
for top 5 accomplishments i reused some stuff from my resume, for leadership calls i got asked mostly about my resume and what sort of work i was interested in
gusty imp
hi anyone here interviewing with point72? A friend of mine has his interview tomorrow and wanted to chat. Please DM : )
candid kindle
does anyone have any suggestions for de shaw code sample?
haughty hinge
Do you have to intern to join
hazy hawk
Is there a quant hardware (fpga) server by chance
obtuse flame
does anyone have any suggestions for de shaw code sample?
Like a web page with backend api called
candid kindle
Like a web page with backend api called
But they said it should be “mathematically or algorithmicly interesting “
obtuse flame
But they said it should be “mathematically or algorithmicly interesting “
I recall someone mentioned they sent something like that and it worked, you can search it up and ask them
candid kindle
Got it!
Thank you so much
manic prism
Anyone applied PDT partners? How long does it take to hear back from them?
rose holly
the objective quant tier list
deep cargo
Bridgewater "very unique culture" is an understatement lmao
honest delta
Bridgewater "very unique culture" is an understatement lmao
I’ve been always curious abt this. Is it bc of ray dalio?
boreal tartan
Yes
deep cargo
I’ve been always curious abt this. Is it bc of ray dalio?
its cult-like
wary glade
anyone know what to expect for hrt c++ phone?
stray leaf
this list stinks
fast gazelle
yea lol tower at tier 5
quant tier lists generally suck
a lot of firms are very team/desk dependent
thin bramble
Is citadel GQS better
Or citsec
The GQS people said their bar nowadays is so high
thin bramble
Is he a engineer
I was at GQS yesterday
They said there profit has scaled much (by a few times perhaps, idk) but they didn't hire many people so profit/headcount has gone up much
Also return rate at GQS seemed higher than citsec
winged aurora
thin bramble
I signed citsec
upbeat forum
better luck next year
quasi orbit
How do u think it went?
rotund glacier
Does radix call to reject after final
I did my final some time ago and now have a “15-20” minute call set up
Now sure if it’s bad or good
SWE lol
Yeah but they’re small yknow
This does not answer my question
This, again, does not answer my question
rotund glacier
Yes he was one of the people that interviewed me at some point
digital gust
Would really like some help with the process at headlands (after the Oa) if someone has gone through it, can I shoot you a text?
thin bramble
Is it possible to become a quant researcher full time without a quant research internship?
clear grove
Is it possible to become a quant researcher full time without a quant research i...
yeah I know someone, though he was tenure track at T10 CS so ymmv
cyan shoal
Did someone tag me
are u new grad or intern?
friend got a call after superday for offer
but he was quant tech intern
for reference
cyan shoal
obv doesnt gurantee u wont get reject
but id be lik 99% u got offer bro
very few companies call out of the blue to reject
hollow ivy
anyone done the akuna junior trader phone interview??
shell gazelle
No. 1 hour technical interview since on-site results were inconclusive
rotund glacier
Lmao
narrow schooner
you are in a channel called quants-n-traders
money isn't everything, but its a fucking lot
cit or citsec?
yeah cit is like
ok I think cit is like barely tier 2
citsec solid tier 1
ok i wouldn't recommend that
but if it works it works
yeah why is he doing that
he just can't bear it anymore?
i see well i mean
that's cit i guess
but to be honest
that's not a good sign
ability to grind is the one true sginal of being successful in this field
sweet cargo
what does the new tier list look like
wintry tendon
Cit is goated if ur like gqs qr with linear utility function and grinder
Call in radix simp
Sig intern is p close
sweet cargo
this guy gets it
brave vessel
generational wealth
as qr
bro what, even swe, ur building a better future for ur family
u wont be a fucking billionaire but 200k swe is still better than the vast majority of americans
the brain rot is insane
ok
i meant slowly building wealth over generations
not illumanti shit
i know but im giving a more typical swe ans
well
faang swe
tame shore
faang swe pays 200k ng lol
brave vessel
ok than quant swe, who gives a shit
wintry tendon
those are like 4sigma engineers
brave vessel
ya i think faang swe prob better than quant swe, and even qr seems like the most overcrowded aids known to man
tame shore
I mean if you’re cracking E8 at meta it doesn’t matter if you’re at faang or quant anyways
you’d be making a ton either way
wintry tendon
how are u gonna make generational wealth then
brave vessel
how are u gonna make generational wealth then
work a good swe job and save ur money
sweet cargo
ya i think faang swe prob better than quant swe, and even qr seems like the most...
im saying put 20 years into this industry and u have the blueprint to then create generational wealth
or at least ur son can
it's about doing ur part ateotd
brave vessel
ya
sweet cargo
i keep seeing distsys backend on levels for quant firms
brave vessel
thats the point of it being generational, im not saying become a millionaire, just save ur money, and pass it down to ur kids, make sure thye are dumb dumbs
sweet cargo
what does that entail is it just low latency cpp stuff
thin bramble
With 4M/yr you can surely make generational wealth
tame shore
citadel is the amazon of quant tho
late bear
I mean at that point do tradfi
wintry tendon
p sure thats like the opposite of generational wealth
brave vessel
i keep seeing distsys backend on levels for quant firms
they do distro sys? i did not know
wintry tendon
imo generational wealth means like enough wealth to support multiple generations of ppl
thin bramble
Has anyone doing swe intern at Cit ever pull off getting full time offer elsewhere
wintry tendon
not like build wealth over generations
brave vessel
imo generational wealth means like enough wealth to support multiple generations...
oh i wasnt using that def
thin bramble
Cit offers return immediately after, and 2week expires
So seemingly u have to interview while interning
late bear
imo generational wealth means like enough wealth to support multiple generations...
Be Lebron pretty much
thin bramble
Core Eng
brave vessel
imo generational wealth means like enough wealth to support multiple generations...
i was using this def
wintry tendon
clearly any interpretation of generational wealth means wealth passed down from an earlier generation, but if someone is generationally wealthy that pretty ubiquitously means you had some turbo rich great grandpa or something
thin bramble
I did well (I think) and they rejected me
brave vessel
clearly any interpretation of generational wealth means wealth passed down from ...
i wasnt thinking that
we are on different pages
nuff said
wintry tendon
interview during internship
thin bramble
And keep onsite after getting return offer
brave vessel
of course, thats why ill never get js
wintry tendon
ik ppl who got that at even at firms way worse than sig
peak egret
I bench 245
thin bramble
Is it possible to move from swe to qr
peak egret
I’m weak
sweet cargo
245 is pretty high
peak egret
245 is pretty high
245 is the new 135 smh
sweet cargo
i think 225 is the new 135 unironically
thin bramble
Is it possible to do this at citadel gqs
thin bramble
Anyhow I already took citsec
sweet cargo
i see folks repping 225 makes me never want to step in the gym again
brave vessel
i think 225 is the new 135 unironically
if u can do 225 bench, what can u do on dumbbells?
sweet cargo
flat maybe 90?
brave vessel
goongaga
sweet cargo
im tryna touch a brick as a swe
thin bramble
If I ever want to become a quant researcher should I not become swe at trading firm
cause then I get non compete
sweet cargo
can u only touch a brick as qr/qd
wintry tendon
least toxic trader
thin bramble
what about citsec
wintry tendon
lmao yah ik what ur saying
tame shore
I have a friend who’s qr->quant dev->trader
fast gazelle
swes are irrelevant anyway
thin bramble
Think I just take citsec
peak egret
bro
thin bramble
And hope stuff work out
peak egret
Has citsec
sweet cargo
u interview for webdev @ ak capital and get grilled on probability and math problems
peak egret
And is contemplating???
peak egret
u interview for webdev @ ak capital and get grilled on probability and math prob...
💀💀💀
thin bramble
I already took citsec today
peak egret
I mean tbf this place was more focused on modeling and stuff
wintry tendon
how big even is gqs
peak egret
I would kill to have that ngl 😭
You a soph?
How u do it bro
What’s ur secret lol
That was the oa
Battleship
For sig
Nah def
I took it lol
sweet cargo
holy 😻
wintry tendon
does everyone get 100% in class or is there an actual distribution
peak egret
does everyone get 100% in class or is there an actual distribution
What
wintry tendon
lol the edu guy at my place told me he makes it harder until theres a distribution
regal sorrel
make a market on the # of security cameras in the bw office
brave vessel
lol what does this mean
thin bramble
Is it possible to get figgie game
Is there a physical figgie game
Oh it's just poker
ok
brave vessel
i thought finance culture was worse compared to tech
proud fossil
Doom Planning rn. If I'm interning at a non big name company this summer, would significantly contributing to the Linux kernel or FreeBSD boost my chances of getting an interview for next cycle swe or do they not care about that stuff
twin verge
-SBF
rotund glacier
This is straight up misinformation
The base cit offer is 450k
And it only goes up from then on
shadow estuary
he might mean actual received y1 income and not whats on the offer letter
oblique orbit
Has anyone taken JS QT round 2 recently? Dm if yea
brave vessel
i heard there is a lot of bureaucracy in finance
brave vessel
Doom Planning rn. If I'm interning at a non big name company this summer, would ...
i feel like a project would be better
livid wedge
Does radix call to reject after final
my friend got a call from his radix recruiter and it was a rejection
rotund glacier
my friend got a call from his radix recruiter and it was a rejection
@primal shell it’s over
upbeat forum
Tell me you’ve never been to America without telling me you’ve never been to America
upbeat forum
NYC is the least European city in USA
sweet cargo
i think they just mean the transit
vague sentinel
What 💀
broken thorn
true
oslo felt like america but less people
i think they mean amsterdam copenhagenish places, where its very walkable and public transport andshit
velvet roost
Anyone looking for a quant internship? New Simplify partner and I can share the link early before we blast it!
rotund glacier
Quant overrated anyways
thin bramble
I'm starting to feel that Citadel GQS might be better than citsec
After taking citsec yesterday
GQS feels a lot like rentec
rotund glacier
GQS feels a lot like rentec
Delusion
thin bramble
GQS people seems to be comparing themselves to PDT
ah whatever
I think GQS is great
but now might just not be the time
stray leaf
I'm starting to feel that Citadel GQS might be better than citsec
GQS is incredibly good
wintry tendon
How many people is gqs
thin bramble
How many people is gqs
<200
velvet roost
thin bramble
What's the best way to get to quant research if I'm already in a research MS program and failed to get a qr internship
Next yr I will need to interview for fulltime positions
Is it worth it or should I go for quant dev
I don't think phd is worth it or suitable but also don't think I'll likely get QR position if I try again next year
rotund glacier
yes that is London
standard United States Cit offer is 450 right now
and it goes up higher
ngl janek your takes here are awful
thin bramble
does it go higher without competing offer
thin bramble
what about return offer
rotund glacier
boreal tartan
anyone interviewing for optiver hft research
brave vessel
do quant shops even beat market avg
and do you guys think they conduct insider trading/ stock market manipulation
im not sure how realistic it is to acc get consistent alpha cuz ive never been a quant
boreal tartan
on 4th round
Was that the final round?
brave vessel
but why invest in a firm that is not beating market avg?
oh so percentag eis less but overall profit is higher
uhh, im confusion, so they are able to beat market avg but with limited capital right, but wouldnt havign alot of capital in the s&p still be better?
thin bramble
It's like strategy takes 1000$ and makes 100$ per day
yearly profit = 3650%
But it can only make 100$
And it only hold position 1000 times per day and 3s each time
So if you have two such strategy, you can stack them together using the same 1000$
I had some trauma experience
rose holly
i thot you left this server
sweet cargo
@rose holly can i have stripe referral
late bear
Me too 💼🤝
haughty hinge
https://simplify.jobs/p/9afc8966-ab32-4ef5-b5a5-4184349198ae/Quantitative-Resear...
My guy that position has been out since august
fast gazelle
rose holly
correct me if i’m wrong, but the amount of money they’re putting into the market could also impact their EV (assuming it’s a large enough position)
yaya
it’s generally harder to find alpha the bigger ur position
idk why i’m larping here
i ain’t gonna make it 
no i’m just sayin general
i shouldn’t even open this channel
i kinda find it funny
how you guys out qt and bootcampers right next to each other
no name
low iq
no skill
never began for me
na well beyond my jr days
almost
going into my sr year
it’s oki
i’m happy with the pip factory
a “bit”
understatement brother
ngl tho
nvm i forgot what i was gonna say
velvet roost
My guy that position has been out since august
Position has been reposted. Literally just parntered with Simplify
zenith panther
@rotund glacier is this janek guy fucking stupid
optiver over cit is 
ohhhh
theyre european
so the answer is yes
rotund glacier
optiver over cit is <:waz:1089716340325105754>
It’s an opinion of a person who has never worked in quant
thin bramble
Don’t they have non compete
wintry tendon
whats a ng swe gonna leak lol
thin bramble
So short
wintry tendon
also i think its pretty troll to be like company a is objectively better than company b esp if company a involves cit hrs/culture
thin bramble
GQS ng is 24month
tender zodiac
gardening
rotund glacier
You are delusional
Tbh I probably shouldn’t listen to anyone who has “HRT JS simp” in their nickname
Tell me you got resume rejected without telling me you got resume rejected
tender zodiac
DRW over Citadel 👨🏼🦼
rotund glacier
You’re impolite to me with your awful takes
sweet cargo
well this is the only argument in favor of optiver isn't it
wintry tendon
optiver culture prolly better too
sweet cargo
what else do u need
wintry tendon
i think cit obv has more clout i just think picking a company based on clout is questionable at best
rotund glacier
Janek what’s your experience
Are you a LARPER
Or do you actually work somewhere good
scenic bison
wlb argument is valid but its just subjective to what the person values. To some people TC and quant are beating factors ig
rotund glacier
Okay this is the info I needed to hear
wintry tendon
this is for trading lol
im p sure ppl here are comparing cit swe to optiver swe not citsec qt to optiver qt
thin bramble
cit QR much better than optiver
sweet cargo
i fucking love citadel
rose holly
me too!!!
wintry tendon
its a post comparing full time trading offers
optiver trading ops analyst vs gqs qr plz help!
rotund glacier
See that's my problem
quant is a really small industry, it's really weird to larp about it
maybe im too cynical
see you get it
tender zodiac
...
rotund glacier
I had my call with Radix. It sounds like I'm fairly close to getting an offer so I'm fairly happy about that
Thoughts on Radix vs HRT?
sweet cargo
role
tender zodiac
if swe, take radix
rotund glacier
if swe, take radix
why
sweet cargo
thats cool tbh idk shit about these companies pick bigger number
rotund glacier
thats cool tbh idk shit about these companies pick bigger number
so true
rotund glacier
I don't have more rounds, I don't think it's a verbal offer either
Sorry bro maybe I'm being too harsh on you ❤️
why
I've interened at citsec js and hrt bro
trust me
sweet cargo
it isn't hard to believe he just hates you
tender zodiac
is janek a goku alt, i actually can't tell
sweet cargo
the dutch job market
zenith panther
janek might be an idiot 🔥
thin bramble
How is JS swe pay progression
zenith panther
are you fulltime
sweet cargo
janek do a money spread
late bear
are you fulltime
don't bully him wecu 😦
zenith panther
janek is coming at ppl without knowing their credentials
💀
ive already sent gym photos here lmfao
how much
how am i the biggest idiot
late bear
zenith panther
you make a lot of claims
idt wlb is really an argument for how good a company is
i feel like most ppl are discussing prestige
otherwise everything is subjective
sweet cargo
tc > prestige > wlb > 'culture'
zenith panther
no
wlb is subjective
and depends on the person
so we cant evaluate it the same
so obviously there will always be disagreement
thin bramble
lol
zenith panther
especially since most of us are early career
zenith panther
a better resume lmao
sweet cargo
prestigemaxxer
sweet cargo
idk about every1 else im legit not even trolling
zenith panther
you cannot compare wlb for sm reasons
team dependent usually
how much work is too much for an individual
thin bramble
What do you need a better resume fore
thin bramble
If you jest want more prestige
zenith panther
What do you need a better resume fore
it opens up more opportunities
thin bramble
you are eventually going to need cash prestige out with TC, wlb, culture
zenith panther
thats bcz google is 2/hr week company
thin bramble
it opens up more opportunities
And you get more prestige with you new opportunity
zenith panther
and i feel like most discussion in cscd is related to early career
i think most citadel hate is just cope
also citsec wlb is not even bad
cit tho
perhaps
sweet cargo
my question is just do u work that much more at cit than optiver for example
wintry tendon
shouldnt you be trying to maximize skills gained instead of prestige?
zenith panther
like ppl go from john deere to quant
wintry tendon
by like almost any metric
thin bramble
I think actually learning stuff is more important than prestige
you need to explain what you did in that position
zenith panther
also if were gonna culture max
then sig would be death
but some sig swes enjoy their time thrre
notice its you dont care
its subjective
not even close
headlands sits on the other side of the spectrum
wintry tendon
headlands employs like 100 ppl
zenith panther
How does headlands compare to citadel
about 30 hrs a week
slender bluff
citsec is 450k ng, while drw is 280k ng
rotund glacier
Ah reverie, another extremely reliable topic about qswe
Man went as faking a cit offer 
I'm ant_tree
How'd Stripe RO go
scenic bison
I agree but I’m in no right to say that since I’m prestige gapped in general
rotund glacier
rev can't get me out of his head 
scenic bison
Tru, I’m hard stuck faang swe sadly
scenic bison
Yes