#quants-n-traders

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brave vessel
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I want to learn rust and do a project in rust but do you guys think it would be better to do the project in c++ if im going for quant dev

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or i could do project in c++ than convert to rust

nova dust
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No problem man thank you so much for answering my doubts I will keep u updated thanks

upbeat forum
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Test cases

sonic abyss
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Fucking stop getting offers man jesus

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8

thin bramble
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How many people fail leadership call in citadel swe?

quasi orbit
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few

quasi orbit
gusty arrow
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does anyone know how long voleon takes to get back after final?

nova dust
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Can you apply in js insight again if i was resume rejected in swe intern and oa rejected in js insight previously(did pass all test cases but do know why they rejected me)

terse barn
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how do i not fail interviews

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for qt

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cit round 3

sick talon
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BRO

terse barn
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i got fucked

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no lmao

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this is trader

sick talon
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did not get de shaw

terse barn
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im getting gapped by every quant process

sick talon
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for the record

terse barn
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i applied perfect oa in like 15 min and ghosted for 2 months then rejected

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not 2 more like 1.5

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only processes im still in are virtu swe and imc trader

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and i literally just got the first round for imc

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idk how people do this shit ngl

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mfs in my class only applied to jane street and got in

thin bramble
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Optiver give take home test and I spent like 40 hours

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Now I submitted and feel like so stupid

long raft
thin bramble
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HFT research intern

sonic abyss
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7

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@lament coyote were u an amazon intern last yr

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Stop

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you cant bully me out of denouncing my prior cringe

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Why is he not in here @art

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😔😔

fast gazelle
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gone too soon

lyric loom
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hi

shy tide
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does janestreet do off season

vernal hornet
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no

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unless ur coop school

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like waterloo

clear grove
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is that what they ask in the interview + coding assesment?

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did u not have one?

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oh ok, i didnt have referral so maybe thats why

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are you for intern as well?

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i didnt hear back from swe lol

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i didnt get any oa

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are you in process fror swe and systems engineering?

wintry tendon
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@ruby fog

blazing epoch
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anyone know how sig is for graduate quant systemic trader?

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i think you need to be in masters to apply

wintry tendon
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bro

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im reciting so much rn

oblique orbit
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if anyone has done two sigma first round/final can u dm me for swe

upbeat forum
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anyone know what the Wolverine SWE phone is like?

scenic bison
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😭

supple shoal
terse barn
supple shoal
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round 2 as in onsite or round 2 as in 1 hr technical

haughty hinge
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any info how full is DRW or cidatel QT?

lyric loom
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ok

boreal tartan
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yes

empty portal
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how the f do you get into akuna capital

twilit bluff
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Do people ever make lateral moves from big tech to quant

pallid berry
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anyone interviewed for DE Shaw’s System Eng internship?

winter ore
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bruv Idk any of this stochastic calculus, black scholes nonsense 😭

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trynna be a dev

potent depot
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Anyone in Akuna process?

cyan shoal
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Qt?

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If so sure

tulip sapphire
sonic abyss
tulip sapphire
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ye

tulip sapphire
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L

thin bramble
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If I'm ghosted does sending an email damage my odds of getting next interview

split smelt
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what skills do i need to get intership at a quant

quasi orbit
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investment management

split smelt
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thanks👍

silent night
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@ those who’ve done a quant trading internship/full time, do you guys find the work fulfilling/stimulating/fun? i.e if money wasn’t a concern, is this still the job you would choose?

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Im asking as someone from the swe side trying to understand more about the “other side”

median mauve
azure zenith
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I think that if you're "looking at the other side" as a swe to trader then you should note the hours are significantly longer in trading

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The interns would be 8am-8pm most days or worse, sometimes better

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So when you say if money wasn't a concern, I'd say that if they didn't pay a lot then it would not be worth the hours, even if you enjoyed it

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Also there would be less motivation. Part of the feedback loop of succeeding in trading is obviously... making money for you and those around you

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if you lose that, while still trading, then you are just seeing big numbers that you aren't allowed to benefit from

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It's okay to say that if it didn't pay what it pays, they wouldn't do it, without implying that they are doing it only for the money and without enjoyment

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that said, sure the salaries are inflated. If everything was the same right now but everyone earned 100k less, no one would care

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But that's just the arms race, so there's some "justification" for those salaries because someone down the road will snipe your talent without them

fervent niche
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Hey guys! I’m in need of a personal assistant to keep my business running. It’s a work from home offer and pay is $300 each week and you’ll be working every week day! Send me a dm to apply.

severe talon
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8-8 sounds pretty awful

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for me there was a hard cutoff of no interns in the office after 7pm, and on the rare occasions i was still working at 6:30 the trading floor was basically dead

azure zenith
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True, that's accounting for them coming in and having breakfast before working* but still

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I defo agree firm dependent

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Also trading desk dependent ig

long raft
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First breakfast at home, second breakfast at work.

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3 months after

half apex
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does imc blacklist after final (swe intern)

quasi orbit
sudden sonnet
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how long does omc take to get back after tech phone

dense wagon
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does anyone know generally for how long after graduation you can still apply to hft grad roles?

high pendant
sudden sonnet
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yea

cyan shoal
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I remember that there was a huge discussion here before about how imc swe was full and hard stack ranking

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Just had a friend who did the whole process after starting it 2 weeks ago and got offer

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He had less than 5 test cases pass on final lol

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So i dont think they are full or stack ranking that hard

wintry tendon
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IMC bar just the floor

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thats funny though

cyan shoal
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yea was funny

deep cargo
cyan shoal
deep cargo
winged aurora
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usually 1

cyan shoal
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lmaoo

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yea idk ironic

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cause my friend went through the qt process with me

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and he got rej after qt final with me

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then was like meh lets try swe

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the c1 -> imc process also strong

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prob shoulda given a proper attempt at imc swe on my end

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im also cs + math

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im ngl i had it in my hands

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just fumbled the geometry in the final

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just wasnt expecting it

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that was easy

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the first norm is easy

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i kinda fumbled the other 2 parts

shadow estuary
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imc is prob the easiest to get into ngl

cyan shoal
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imc used to be the most free by far

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qt used to be such a joke at imc

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they made it more respectable this year

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legit used to be

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do yk combinatorics

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no hating on imc swe cause i like the firm but they are a bit mickey with how they do the process

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idk why they havent changed the questions

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in like 5 years

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a lot of other firms use the same questions for everyone but they change it every year at leaset

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optiver, ctc, etc

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omc

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way too many firms use the exact same questions for everyon lol

shadow estuary
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i do think an actual complaint at imc is regarding the hiring bar recently lmao

cyan shoal
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by current employees?

shadow estuary
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yeah

cyan shoal
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they lowered the hiring bar too much?

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swe or trading side?

shadow estuary
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i think globally

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but thats prob the tradeoff for relatively chill wlb and culture ig

cyan shoal
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yea makes sense

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the reality is just as u expand as any company

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gotta lower hiring bar

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u can see it clearly at like citadel across diff teams

shadow estuary
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yeah true

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lots of places expanded far too quickly

cyan shoal
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yea

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rift act glazing the fuck outta imc

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lol fair enough

shadow estuary
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hrt 80th floor 🥱

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jk

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views r pretty nice

cyan shoal
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im very sorry to break it to u...

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nah

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belvegoat

shadow estuary
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it cant be true if ken signed the offer 🥺

cyan shoal
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though im ngl id glaze for citsec top band

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but just that

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yea i rej headlands, radix, and rentech for belvegoat

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where else am i gonna be a goat weather quant

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yessir

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imma make the linkedin post soon

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yep thats why i said

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belvegoat

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fair enough

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im ngl

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firms atp just def testing ur networking and friend group

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rather than ur skills

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like ik this group of kids at berkeley a few years back

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all went imc qt - > jump qr/qt

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i wonder how that happened lol

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every single one of them

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im ngl

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if u work at imc

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u will have no problem switching over to optiver

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later in career

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if thats what u want

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wait ur in 482 right?

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or nah

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howd exam 1 go dude

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im ngl

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idek how i got the grade i did

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ahh yea makes sense

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still 90+ then

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thats fire

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ahh thats rough bro im sorry man

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yea

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its chill grade

sonic abyss
cyan shoal
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yk whats memes

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i did the exact right solution for question 3

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then was like

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why am i doing this so complex

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lets just replace it with a sempahore instead

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yea they docked only 5 pts for me

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for sempahor

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said perfect sol just used sempahore

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not allowed to

shadow estuary
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hiring wrong wouldnt be as much of an issue if they fired low performers more often for swe atleast

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i think its actually difficult to lose your job there

cyan shoal
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yea thats unfortunate

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for swe right?

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like 45 qt?

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im still so mad abt the imc qt fumble

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also the js qt fumble

shadow estuary
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doubt thats symptomatic of imc rather than the industry as a whole though

sonic abyss
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nah i think swe performance isnt a big of an issue

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qt batch was a lot worse than they expected tho i think

sonic abyss
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Wdym

cyan shoal
sonic abyss
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yeah it was really dumb

cyan shoal
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like it was actually ridiculous how easy imc qt was

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ik multiple kids at mich

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who got it without trying

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everyone ik at michigan struggled with imc qt a lot more this year

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at least

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damn wtf 3 new grad qt?

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all hired directly for new grad

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or return intern converstin

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yea

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that makes more sense

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ik 2 kids who were intern their last summer

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but not going back

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ahh yea

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he not staying

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if he gets 5r

void sorrel
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Ya lol

cyan shoal
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5r base almost close to imc tc

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lol

void sorrel
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Yep

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Tc is around 550-600

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They don’t

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People lie

sonic abyss
cyan shoal
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fuck me man

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i shoulda tried last year

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feel like if i made final this year and almost got it

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coulda got it last year

void sorrel
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Where did you get offers rkmk?

sonic abyss
cyan shoal
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but yes

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the goated belvegoat

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rest doesnt even matter

sonic abyss
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At least 20-30% were sophomores i feel like

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i could be trippin but thats what it felt like

shadow estuary
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are you all interns

sonic abyss
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🤫

brisk ingot
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🤔

sonic abyss
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Hella people who graduated to

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too

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who were gonna start a masters supposedly

brisk ingot
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they used to before

sonic abyss
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some cracked sophomore qt intern got ro for intern, tho i guess technically it was for qr

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on paper at least

brisk ingot
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but yea ig if ur nuts then its diff

sonic abyss
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yeah they dont on a large scale

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just exceptions

tulip sapphire
# void sorrel People lie

??? this would get exposed in bg checks
edit: oh you mean people lie about their grad date, yeah ofc they do

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and my proj partner for a systems class i took last semester was a soph QR intern at 5r asw

silent night
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damnn, what did you find fun about it?

void sorrel
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I wasn’t talking about 5R

wintry tendon
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yo u signed?

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same bulding dude just climb a few stairs

silent night
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Hahhah makes sense

supple shoal
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are there any differences between the individual interviews in cit onsite vs cit phone? swe intern

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like difficulty or type of questions asked

thin bramble
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Onsite = 3 phone

quasi orbit
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Well I mean you can apply

twin cloud
thin bramble
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@twin cloud Do you know what happens in cit leadership calls

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What are the selection criteria

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@zenith panther Any tips on how to get ready?

wintry tendon
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been told this is relevent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairy_ball_theorem

Hairy ball theorem

The hairy ball theorem of algebraic topology (sometimes called the hedgehog theorem in Europe) states that there is no nonvanishing continuous tangent vector field on even-dimensional n-spheres. For the ordinary sphere, or 2‑sphere, if f is a continuous function that assigns a vector in R3 to every point p on a sphere such that f(p) is always ta...

thin bramble
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Ok

twin cloud
sonic abyss
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You either need prior exp or top school ig

thin bramble
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So you proved it on spot?

dire karma
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😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

median mauve
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waiting to hear back

thin bramble
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Do you know GQS or citsec

tranquil wagon
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What do quant hiring people look for

winged aurora
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Academic and similar experiences

tulip sapphire
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i think u can get away with a strong bg in topology and perturbation theory

tacit bridge
tranquil wagon
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Lmao

thin bramble
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More like International Congress of Mathematicians

lyric loom
fast gazelle
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@lyric loom yo

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what are you doing in this channel WazowskiStare

sudden sonnet
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anyone do cubist research technology process

nocturne estuary
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Who filled you up

leaden temple
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js prod eng vs 5r swe vs hrt swe intern

tulip sapphire
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5r swe >= hrt swe >>> js prod eng

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depends on goals asw though

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like if u want RO then JS and HRT are valued less

deep cargo
tulip sapphire
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and lower ft ro TC than 5r

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wdym by "better", in what ways?

deep cargo
tulip sapphire
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wlb at hrt is better

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culture is ehhh you dont go to quant for culture

deep cargo
tulip sapphire
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i value wlb less than TC if im going to quant

tulip sapphire
deep cargo
leaden temple
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they say its just like swe but with a support rotation

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ro is also 500k too

tulip sapphire
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js prod eng isnt the best for resume, most tech places havent heard of JS (somewhat surprisingly but also when u realize that most recruiters graduated from south nebraska uni and think Yale > Caltech) and most quant places pay SWEs more than prod eng

low mural
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anyone done 5r winternship interview?

shadow estuary
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the one sample i have was it was a good amount less but for ft non ro/ng

obtuse fox
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Anyone have advice for someone who wants to become a SWE at a trading firm after some years of experience? Because the market is brutal right now I think it’s a slim chance I will get in right out of the gate from college. What path would be best if I go back? Should I try to focus on roles that I can gain work experience in C++, or go for a masters at a school that firms pull from?

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Does that include as a master's student? My time in undergrad is done and I didn't realize how much I enjoyed low-level languages until my senior year. Surely there is a path towards that career?

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Are there specific companies that might fit what they are looking for? Nvidia maybe? Bloomberg for the financial perspective side of things?

shadow estuary
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holy based

boreal canopy
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Damn who likes low level lang. OOP is the wey

obtuse fox
deep cargo
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who is this

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based af

nocturne estuary
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based af

fast gazelle
cyan shoal
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If anyone here has done jump swe intern process can you pls dm me

formal musk
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Lads I have a question, so do quant swes and traders get paid the same? I was looking at some of the pages on levels, and they don't say which role get paid how much on the salary posting (for interns at least)

hallow shoal
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ranges from couple days to a month lol. You might also need another interview for more signal from what I've heard

sudden sonnet
last herald
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anyone else get akuna waitlist?

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are they stackranking 2024 ng?

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akuna is my dream company

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so fucking sad

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more spots for me

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probably just not good culture fit, they work really hard to ensure optimal culture and community

deep cargo
woeful ibex
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barclays quant phone interview anyone?

shy tide
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Anyone know what to expect in jane streeet TDO Phone?

woeful ibex
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when does this happen? do they rescind after offer signed??

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2024 new grad rescind as well??

wicked dagger
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anyone i can pm to ask about 2sigma quant research superday?

median mauve
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anyone take hrt final (swe) bfore 🙂

reef harness
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anyone did old mission capital winternship OA

supple shoal
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has anyone done another phone after cit onsite for swe intern? dm me if you have, just finished my onsite and have some questions

tranquil wagon
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Is rescinding uncommon?

long raft
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Akuna is struggling really badly (rumours)

potent dome
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do you guys know when arrowstreet capital QR reaches capacity

potent dome
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?

terse barn
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anyone do arrowstreet quant dev process

ruby cypress
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Should I expect sys design or os/networking trivia for cit onsite? Or is it usually just lc

thin bramble
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Mainly lc

shell gazelle
median mauve
short sphinx
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Does js ghost after OA

reef harness
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wghats inside hrt

deep cargo
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it wouldn't hurt

half apex
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anyone who’s taken jane street qt final? have a friend with it soon, would appreciate any advice or tips!

short sphinx
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I got product OA

nova dust
ocean gazelle
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you can get some trivia, it’s resume dependent

terse barn
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how’s the tech

ocean gazelle
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yeah that’s fair then

terse barn
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arrowstreet and virtu my last chance at qswe 💀

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what’s learncpp

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ima do that 💀

ocean gazelle
wintry tendon
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Cppquiz is just like

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Absurd idk

terse barn
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damn

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what’s the trivia on

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OS?

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oh what 💀

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what if i use java on the int will they ask java then

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i know more java trivia than python

static musk
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nah u don’t

ocean gazelle
supple shoal
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how does quant analyst at bank (barclays) compare to qt/qr at trading firm?

winter dew
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what type of python stuff, like OOP?

hard moon
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Just got reached out to by Jump university recruiting, they want to talk about team matching. Any questions I should prep for before going in?

hearty onyx
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have most qt intern roles closed this season

thin bramble
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Is citadel gqs trading systems team better or is citsec better

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given i'm most interested in low latency and trading systems

leaden temple
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Gqs trading systems is not super low latency

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U talk to Tau?

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It's still cpp tho

thin bramble
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Yes tao

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So even though they are trading system there is not very high focus on latency?

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Does anyone know first hand

thin bramble
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ok

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I just interviewed though.

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currently hope they don't just reject me

ocean gazelle
winter dew
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is there any way u recommend studying the python-specific trivia?

oblique orbit
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has anyone taken two sigma first round swe? DM me if yea

blazing epoch
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anyone take sig 15 q 60 min oa

versed temple
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Lmaooo i coudlnt solve the lc easy cause i was panicking and i moved on

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used a stack instead of a min heap 💀

lyric loom
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how was your arrow experience mr knowledge

hard moon
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Jump Trading

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Jump Trading's university recruiting team

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they want to put me on to interview for whatever team they think I'd fit in

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idk I've never heard of this kind of thing

haughty hinge
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Anyone interviewed for sig or IMC qr?

brisk trellis
fast notch
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How long does it take to hear back after imc phone?

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I had a 1hr interview with an engineer going through cv and some other questions. This was after HackerRank plus 1 way video. For swe

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Probably should have specified I applied for amsterdam

upbeat forum
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I think for QT if they don't schedule the behavioral the same day then you didn't move on?

boreal tartan
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anyone interviewed Optiver Optinomicon? is it some kind of betting games

thin bramble
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Yes it’s betting games.

livid wedge
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nice guy tho

livid wedge
upbeat forum
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Any advice for the IMC QT final? pls dm

tranquil wagon
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Is all quant hft or is one a subset of the other

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What parts of quant aren’t hft?

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Also don’t you have a red name in csmajors

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I feel like I recognize your name

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What do you do in those roles

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The ones that aren’t hft

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Like how can you make money without trading at a high frequency

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That feels like you wouldn’t need quant to do that though, isn’t that just traditional trading

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How do I learn how to write code that makes money

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I don’t get how quant works

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It seems like magic and I don’t know how it’s possible

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What are the predictions based on

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Is it real life events or just analyzing the stock prices

rose holly
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You just decide how much a financial products should be worth and you buy if people are selling it for less and viceversa

obtuse moss
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anyone who interviewed for optiver, do u know if they call to reject :")

rose holly
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How you decide the value is quantitative

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Which tbh everyone does nowadays

wintry tendon
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congrats

obtuse moss
wintry tendon
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are u swe or trading

rugged rampart
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What's sig interview to offer rate

wintry tendon
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baller just has that dog in him

thin bramble
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Do they call to reject?

obtuse moss
thin bramble
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Yes

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Can I tell them I want to "wait for citsec"

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what can I say

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okok

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okok

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hopefully i can get an offer

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has been internship searching for 2 months

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It's still confusing

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Suppose they extends an offer, is it still possible to get citsec

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How fast

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Yes but I took leadership for citsec on tuesday

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and GQS on wednesday

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shouldn't really worry

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just hope they call to accept tomorrow

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whatever else is ok

neon cobalt
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Does anyone have a link for inside hrt?

livid wedge
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swe has good recruiters too for citsec

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i got my citsec results way faster than gqs

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i got it like a day after i did my leadership cuz i had a deadline

thin bramble
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ok...?

livid wedge
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they dont call to reject

midnight pier
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has anyone done a phone for gsa swe?

deep cargo
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did you at least move on?

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chevron, he's a unicorn

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how was phili overall

obtuse moss
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sure

low mural
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whats bb

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big ballz

thin bramble
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I feel like they could be calling to reject.

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Guess I'll see soon enough.

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Think only thing matters here is what tao thinks

livid wedge
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i got rejected from gqs leadership over email

livid wedge
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for swe, after leadership w gqs and citsec i got an email rejecting me from gqs but got phone call saying positive feedback for citsec

quasi orbit
livid wedge
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yea i had 2 rounds for gqs and 1 for citsec

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gqs was an additional technical + an interview with the manager

brisk ingot
midnight pier
brisk ingot
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all the interviews r like 1 coding question and then some trivia/behavioral

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1st round is 1 interview, 2nd round is 2 interviews back to back

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or spread across 2 days if u want

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rej after that so idk rest of process

brisk ingot
midnight pier
quasi orbit
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anyone know how long it takes to hear back from voleon after onsite

silent night
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Do yall know what happens to people who fail as traders within the first few years? Because unlike SWE, most other companies don't require traders so just wondering what options such people have.

thin bramble
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Recuriter said they are expecting to extend 2 offers

tranquil wagon
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Relatable

astral breach
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or be like me an wait 3 weeks after leadership to hear back w offer

leaden temple
#

the full timers said that when i was there

supple shoal
#

Anyone done virtu swe intern onsite? Could ya provide some insight as to structure/difficulty/topics?

gusty imp
#

Has anyone here interviewed for Belvedere Trading?

#

What tier is it approx, how does it compare with other quant firms

#

what really, I have not heard about it before; my friend has an interview there

#

apparently the CEO Hutch takes everyone in the Denver office to a Bahamas holiday in his private jet every other year lol

thin bramble
#

How long does it take for HRT to get back after 2nd phone if successful?

#

Said will likely give both offers

#

I am under the impression that HRT responds within 24 hours

#

Last year HRT responded in like 3 hours

brave vessel
#

how good do you have to be in c++ for qd

#

and will some big firms pay for ur masters to go form qd to qr?

solar axle
#

Is Bloomberg a good pipeline for quant?

azure zenith
#

i have a friend who went from BB -> Cit

#

i don't think it's particularly special though. Do not be fooled into thinking because it's to do with finance it must be better, that really doesn't make much difference to them

solar axle
azure zenith
#

not anything relevant

solar axle
azure zenith
#

SWE btw^^

azure zenith
solar axle
azure zenith
#

ah okay, i guess maybe more relevant but even then

azure zenith
#

most companies will train your finance stuff up, they doin't care if you don't know about it. They are looking for good skills with mathematics, logic, adaptability, etc. and will just test this in the interviews

solar axle
#

So having BB wouldn’t make a difference to them like having any big n?

#

I need motivation man

#

I heard it was well regarded as a financial faang company

solar axle
#

I go to non target school, and this guy went from Bloomberg to hrt from my school

thin bramble
#

Does jane street ask computer networks / systems in onsite?

solar axle
#

Since screen is easier than qswe right?

proper compass
#

Has anyone done IMC qr intern final by chance?

upbeat forum
#

^ but for IMC QT

hard moon
#

Did anyone apply Jump Trading Network Engineer Summer24 and can tell me how the technical was

vast storm
solar axle
vast storm
#

We have c++ teams and also quant engineering teams consider its benefit team dependent

solar axle
vast storm
#

Prob quant eng but idk any quant traders around we have qr and “quant” swes tho

solar axle
vast storm
#

That i would not know

zenith panther
solar axle
#

?

sonic abyss
#

what costume u got

#

@dragonknight

rose holly
#

Most successful candidates are Usamo qualifiers, USAco plat, and Putnam

sonic abyss
#

why not

#

not haram

#

no

#

🙏

sonic abyss
#

not dooming till i hear

fast gazelle
acoustic lotus
#

do any of you guys know what the passing score is on the citadel quant oa?

#

it was 15 questions in 30 min

#

i got 12 of them

crystal storm
#

would anyone here review my resume in private?

thin bramble
#

anyone know if headlands hire interns

quasi orbit
#

no

brave vessel
#

is it bad to not do an oa if you were sent one?

sonic abyss
#

you should never do an oa imo

brave vessel
#

lol what

#

i meant does it look bad if you dont do it after they sent it

sonic abyss
#

they do not care

#

Just do it tho lol

#

why would you not

soft phoenix
#

anyone done headlands ng swe final?

tulip sapphire
supple shoal
#

emailed them and they told me apply for ft for swe intern

tulip sapphire
#

So only manual bitch work roles

sinful geyser
#

or intelligence

#

yeah gigachad. for sure.

#

am i wrong though.

azure zenith
#

If you're serious I'll actually explain

sinful geyser
#

im serious

sinful geyser
#

@azure zenith

azure zenith
#

if you've looked at a traders screens' you'll see loads of different things being actively calculated and to understand half of them you need some good level of maths

#
  • you need the mental maths for quick estimations/calculations
sinful geyser
#

isn't it much more about mathematical speed though

azure zenith
#

no

sinful geyser
#

as opposed to actual problem solving

azure zenith
#

why can't it be both?

sinful geyser
#

because those two aren't the same, they definitely correlate sure

azure zenith
#

they aren't actively computing equations in their head if that's what you're thinking

sinful geyser
#

yeah

#

it's making decisions based on the computed numbers (?)

azure zenith
#

the main point is you need to understand, in detail, the kind of derivative you are trading on and the implications

#

to do this you need to:

  • understand the statistics behind what you're trading, and with that
  • use mental maths / other to understand the implications of trading it
azure zenith
sinful geyser
#

understand the statistics
example of a statistic that u need to understand?

azure zenith
#

what "the greeks" mean

sinful geyser
#

ic

#

gcse maths level statistics 😂

azure zenith
azure zenith
#

there's a lot of physics stuff that comes in

sinful geyser
#

physics? lmaoo wut

#

do you mean calculus?

azure zenith
#

i suggest you do a little more research on maths in trading before speaking so confidently on what it needs

#

it sounds like you really do not know much about the actual maths used right now

sinful geyser
#

yeah, gcse

azure zenith
sinful geyser
#

alevel maybe

azure zenith
azure zenith
#

the majority of it isn't very confusing or massively far above high-school

#

but you have to be very good at it

#

not just "know about it"

#

and specifically with probabilities and betting, you need to be very good in mental maths to even get through interviews

azure zenith
#

not that you have to actually calculate any of it yourself, but the point is you need to understand it to be able to interpret these "computed numbers" you're making decisions off

sinful geyser
#

☠️

buoyant phoenix
#

I’m graduating with a cs undergrad soon and realize that quant is likely not attainable for me as I graduate. If it happens it’s nice but if not what are possible pipelines for me? I was initially thinking of doing general swe at a sell side bank or aim for faangs and do a masters in quant finance/financial engineering soon. Does this plan make sense? What are other considerations I should take into account?

sinful geyser
#

that's cap

sonic abyss
#

-3

#

sup

sour python
#

why does 2sig use java

thin bramble
#

why does js use ocaml

boreal tartan
#

why does js use ocaml

zenith panther
azure zenith
#

And for any non-hft trading it's perfectly good if not arguably better than cpp for some cases

winter ore
#

Does akuna auto send oa?

thin bramble
#

Has anyone got HRT onsite?

quasi orbit
#

2 days

winter ore
#

do you guys just email headlands for applications?

deep cargo
#

Don’t u already have summer and fall?

sudden sonnet
sullen jackal
#

any1 know the dv trading process for software dev full time?

thin bramble
#

If janestreet didn’t give offer onsite

#

Is it guaranteed reject

wintry tendon
#

Def not rej for qt

thin bramble
#

What about swe

quasi orbit
#

U got palantir fall?

thin bramble
#

It’s possible for intern to get n=4?

sonic abyss
#

nothing

rain quiver
obtuse moss
#

does anyone know if 5 rings calls to reject ;-; i got the sussiest saddest sounding email from the recruiter to schedule a call

#

"Thanks for the time you invested in our process.
blah blah discuss steps"

#

the thanks for the time you invested is. so. ominous

#

all of my rejections start that way ;-;

#

🥹

#

shaking in fear!!!

#

i hope so

wintry tendon
obtuse moss
#

yes

wintry tendon
#

I’ll sell u insurance

obtuse moss
#

hand it over 🫴

wintry tendon
#

Well I’ll sell it

haughty hinge
obtuse moss
obtuse moss
haughty hinge
obtuse moss
#

i am praying 😢

#

yeah probably

#

swe tho uh

#

2 rounds, 1 oa+hr, 1 1hr tech

#

imo real challenge is getting past screen :’)

obtuse flame
obtuse moss
cyan shoal
#

there is no technical wtf?

deep cargo
cyan shoal
#

yea makes sense

#

i was boutta be like that legit is not possible for 5r level comp

obtuse moss
#

Sry typo

cyan shoal
obtuse moss
#

oa, 30 min recruiter call that is behavioral, 1 hr tech

cyan shoal
#

ahh ok

#

makes sense

#

bruh

#

how tf is it that chill lol

deep cargo
cyan shoal
#

headlands and jump are well above everything there

#

ur better off doing swe at headlands vs jump

#

old mission is very negotiation based

#

5r is 300 base all around

#

ik traders can push like 550+

#

hard to compare hrt since they dont have trader

#

would probably put omc the lowest though

#

especially for trader

#

swe would probably be

#

headlands 1 fs

#

jump 2

#

bro tgs is madness

#

if ur cracked enough for tgs

#

the rest of these other than headlands should be piss easy for u

#

hrt in the gutter and imo ive heard much better things about jump

#

also i believe jump qr is higher than hrt algo dev

#

ill be honest

#

idk fuck all abt tgs

#

just heard its insane

#

thats legit it

#

so wont claim to know anything

autumn scarab
#

does anybody know about the equities engineering team on citadel? how is it?

cyan shoal
#

If u need help with Imc qt dm me

thin bramble
#

Did you do four rounds today for intern?

shut void
#

anyone else ghosted from 2sigma

#

kevinnn

#

dm

cyan shoal
#

3 phones

#

thats it

#

lol

#

enjoy

#

idt its just purely acing the questions

#

i had 2 friends who aced all 3 questions

#

with plenty of time to spare

#

and answered all follow ups

#

and still rej

#

im ngl

#

no fucking clue

#

bro u got optiver this is just for off cycle

#

isnt the end of the world

thin bramble
#

If citadel says offer is under review, does this mean offer is under review?

#

Why do they seems stressed about progress at other firms

boreal tartan
#

yes

#

no

digital schooner
#

pretty sure citsec has leadership after onsite

#

i think its interviewer dependent

#

like could be all behavioral or could be technical

jade raven
#

has anyone does two sigma final for swe

thin bramble
#

There is a significant behavioral portion, but leader asks whataver leader wants to ask

digital schooner
thin bramble
#

their offer

rugged rampart
#

Hi @glossy brook

#

i was trying to think of a good way to roast @thorn wyvern

#

is it still on ur rezzie

clear grove
#

yeah they started rejecting after recruiter call

shadow estuary
atomic briar
#

Quant is a raw deal for SWEs

#

There's really not much point to the industry unless you're a very specific type of person who wants to become a trader

candid pier
#

has anyone here interviewed for systems engineer intern at DE Shaw?

broken thorn
#

powerlifter friend who started as a beanpole said took 1.5 years to go from 225 to 315

#

good luck

#

hes like 180 and 5'10 or 5'11

#

bro tryna get water from a stone

#

if cutting u just gotta hold on to ur lifts for dear life

deep cargo
#

What’s it at rn?

broken thorn
#

im bulking at a snails pace rn cuz im terrified i will lose my abs

#

bittersweet

#

i gotta keep my weight lowish cuz one of my goals is pull up related

#

dont wanna be above 180

#

already am 😈

#

oap

#

i may not be good at coding or have a quant job, but i can oap

#

one arm pullup

#

"only"

#

depends how clean the ollie is i guess

#

or the muscle up

#

little back swing goes a long way

upbeat forum
#

I feel like ur bench should be higher if that’s ur ohp

digital schooner
#

Cit doesn’t call to reject right

hearty roost
boreal tartan
#

just bombed optiver interview

digital schooner
deep cargo
#

Nah

#

But ur not

#

Sry shoe 😞

#

Yeah and spring

#

There’s also a startup/younger trading firm as well

#

But they aren’t great

#

Gotta rep my school

#

Eh i mean there’s only 3 decent companies

#

Third is Uber

#

Yeah u live and work in Chicago

#

Ig 4 if you count JP Morgan

#

It mainly works with a competing offer

#

But why not just go down radix simps list

#

You have good exp

#

still might as well email and try and get off season

#

you'll get practice with emailing and dealing with rejection 💀

#

jk, who knows one firm might let you it only takes one

#

just saying that bc u passed js screen

#

so you prolly do

#

nah im a recruiter whos been mascquerading as a student doxxing people

#

yeah i think jump does and so does js

#

though don't quote me on that

obtuse moss
#

optiver summer + 5r micro or 5r summer? (Goal is nyc RO)

broken thorn
#

no sadly

#

hoping to be physically cracked in 5 months

boreal tartan
#

qr

thin bramble
#

Is SIG good for SWE?

dusty jetty
thin bramble
#

yes you can dm

sand cobalt
#

Anyone done Cubist Researcher Technology process for intern?

deep cargo
#

were u at the firm?

fast gazelle
#

yea

deep cargo
#

how was the exp for u

fast gazelle
#

i enjoyed it

#

but i was on a frontoffice team

deep cargo
#

im assuming you got a good team

#

yeah

#

didn't end up taking the ro?

fast gazelle
autumn scarab
deep cargo
fast gazelle
#

yea

autumn scarab
#

I don't want to minimize the latency of adding an item to your cart on Amazon, I want to have actual impact

deep cargo
autumn scarab
#

im being fr though

fast gazelle
#

i mean they're not minimizing cart adding latency

#

they're increasing the probability of you clicking on a promoted item

#

and stuff like that

autumn scarab
#

the average big tech job just feels so pointless. Even metrics like that are so ill defined

#

versus swe for finance is so much better defined

deep cargo
fast gazelle
#

yea every swe job outside of startups is kinda pointless when you think about it lol

autumn scarab
#

Yes I want to solve cool problems with code but I also want my work to have impact

deep cargo
#

more interesting yes, but more impactful definitely not

autumn scarab
fast gazelle
#

i mean you should be picking your job based on team more than company anyway

deep cargo
fast gazelle
#

mid team at top company <<<< top team at mid company

autumn scarab
#

oh hmm

#

about that

#

how good is equities engineering team at cit?

#

better or worse than citsec

#

like mid ass or mid medium

fast gazelle
#

like i wouldn't want to do some rando ocaml tooling at jane street lol

#

mid ass

autumn scarab
#

lol

#

yea I agree with you. But has gotta be reasonably easy to transition between roles inside the company, especially if you're a top performer

thin bramble
#

What is big n

fast gazelle
#

generalization of faang

thin bramble
#

O

thin bramble
autumn scarab
#

ye same question

thin bramble
#

In your opinion

fast gazelle
#

haven't worked at citadel but 100%

#

personally id rather work on a front office team than something like central infra

thin bramble
#

Yeah

fast gazelle
#

like for central infra i might as well go to a tech company

thin bramble
#

Would you choose trading system team at citadel over citsec

autumn scarab
#

that's reasonable. But even if you're working on some internal tooling, your stakeholders are qt's, as opposed to random managers/customers

#

which I prefer

thin bramble
#

*GQS

fast gazelle
#

gqs seems cool

#

but bad wlb

thin bramble
#

Ok

obtuse moss
#

Swe 😭

thin bramble
#

GQS seems more interested in me

#

But no offer yet

#

I’m thinking if I go citsec and do team match, might get some front office team too

#

But no citsec hr ever reached out and they prob don’t want me very much

muted topaz
#

Has anyone done optiver final round

cyan shoal
#

swe or qt?

muted topaz
#

Swe

obtuse moss
muted topaz
#

Idts?

#

It's 1 behavioural, 1 "fundamentals"

#

(new grad)

obtuse moss
#

Oh

#

Wait mb thought u meant intern

#

Good luck 🫡

muted topaz
#

Thx

#

Thurs

#

Nope Amsterdam

#

Maybe the processes are different

#

Yeah 2.5

#

Do u have 2 technicals or smth

#

So no behavioural?

#

Interesting

#

Wait did you have a tech screen + 2 more tech interviews before this?

#

Ahhh

#

They changed the process this year

#

Apparently it's only in Amsterdam

#

Yeah I've already done a sys Design + coding after the tech screen

#

Why inverted

#

I had HR too

#

But for 30 mins

#

The one in the final round is 1 hour long

#

Yeah you too!

#

Sure

midnight fjord
#

Yo, anyone do Voloridge technical ?

sand cobalt
#

Cubist research technology

thin bramble
#

Anyone know generally how far from deadline are offers signed

broken bramble
#

j got an offer from geneva trading for python dev, anyone have any impression of the company, the role, should I take it?

thin bramble
#

Assuming 2 weeks deadline

buoyant phoenix
#

Anyone familiar with the two sigma interview process

#

I just had oa

#

When should recruiter get back and what would the next steps be

meager jasper
#

anyone know how long it takes citadel to reject/offer after leadership

thin bramble
#

you have to wait

bronze night
#

anyone else waiting for an on-site final round follow-up from DRW? or gotten a new grad offer for sde?

#

i've been waiting to hear back for longer than expected

silent night
#

If I want to start preparing for quant trader interviews, will just being very good at probability games be enough, or should I go learn some actual maths too

upbeat forum
#

Anyone know IMC QT return rate?

cyan shoal
#

If anyone has done hrt core dev final pls dm me

rose holly
wintry tendon
cyan shoal
#

Py

wintry tendon
#

goated recruitment practices

#

reuse questions every year, everyone cheats to get in, give none ros

cyan shoal
#

Yea like half the industry does this

#

Not sure the logic behind it

#

At some point knowing the questions ahead of time doesn't even help cause everyone knows so u need to be absolutely perfect

wintry tendon
#

yeah i mean industry just selects for mit cheating group

cyan shoal
#

Tbf it's def not just mit anymore either lol

#

Super widespread at my school

#

And a lot of other schools I've heard

wintry tendon
#

i mean everyone cheats

#

cant even fault ppl for trying to get an edge for a 400k+/yr job

#

bias vs variance tradeoff irl

cyan shoal
#

Lmaooo

#

Tbf js is decently fair

#

They use question bank

#

But it's not very big

#

So pretty easy to get the whole bank as long as u have enough frkends

wintry tendon
#

swe?

cyan shoal
#

I only know Abt qt for js

wintry tendon
#

ngl bro

#

bank is kinda big now + idt having bank helps that much

cyan shoal
#

i mean tbh

#

ik like 4 people in cscd who got the same r2 as me

#

and multiple who got the same r3

wintry tendon
#

oh yeah

cyan shoal
#

legit my friend got the same for both rounds

wintry tendon
#

i meant final those are like

cyan shoal
#

yea final its not as helpful

wintry tendon
#

yeah but if u cant pass phone rnds

cyan shoal
#

plus idk going to js qt if u arent cracked just seem like -ev to me anyways

#

u arent gonna get ro

#

ur gonna get gapped

#

ig ull have js on ur resume

wintry tendon
#

i think its the opposite

cyan shoal
#

but idk ud probably have a better exp scamming into a diff firm

wintry tendon
#

js doesnt fire

cyan shoal
#

true

#

but im talking abt intern bro

#

ro rate was like 30%

#

if u cant even pass js interviews normally

#

u aint gonna be in the top 30% of the USAMO, MOP kids

wintry tendon
#

ro was hard one year

#

if its hard next yr too then you can see

cyan shoal
#

historically its still never been outstanding

wintry tendon
#

yeah but

cyan shoal
#

like not as bad as this year

#

but they have a lower rate than most of industry

#

js legit known for hiring a ton of intern

#

but not converting them all

wintry tendon
#

50-60 vs 30 is very different

cyan shoal
#

yea fair enough ig

#

idk i feel like u can scam urself into sig or imc

wintry tendon
#

like if you dont believe in yourself ig go to like sig right

cyan shoal
#

bro u can just scam into sig or imc

#

get easy ro

#

and then be chilling ig

wintry tendon
#

imc ro isnt free anymore though

cyan shoal
#

thats true

#

but still higher than js

#

even this shit year was 50%

#

lmao what

#

hes just swe

#

what do u have against him

#

imc swe the most scammable cheating of all time lol

#

same fucking question for like 5 years

wintry tendon
#

imc swe is pretty absurd lol

cyan shoal
#

Legit every firm u can scam atl

#

Imc, omc, ctc, optiver, sig

#

Atp*

wintry tendon
#

right you can scam every firm

#

bc all have a bank

cyan shoal
#

Na

wintry tendon
#

or reuse

cyan shoal
#

Every single one I listed

#

Use the exact same questions

wintry tendon
#

citsec too

#

i mean sure phones are diff

median mauve
wintry tendon
#

but if u cant pass phone ur ngmi

cyan shoal
#

Imc is same question for qt and swe every round every person

#

So is omc

#

So is ctc