#quants-n-traders

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ember lava
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she fornicated w another guy soon after

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both are true

finite rune
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Yea I mean this doesn’t prove anything

ember lava
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like prob something gone wrong and she saw opportunity to get money

keen ice
finite rune
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This is why I wanted to avoid this

keen ice
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i mean use your best judgement

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@ruby fog thoughts on it?

ember lava
# keen ice

she literally fornicated with another guy the same day after being "assaulted"

finite rune
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Disrespectful to Celtics

keen ice
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my bad

finite rune
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Wilt is so overrated

keen ice
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mine is:

jordan
lebron
kareem
magic
duncan
kobe
shaq
bird
steph
hakeem

ember lava
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we are talking about the game of basketball

keen ice
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i dont like russell hes a fraud

ember lava
keen ice
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i agree but not yet

finite rune
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Yea aight lmao

keen ice
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steph will be better than magic after this year

ember lava
keen ice
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and LOWKEY kobe too

finite rune
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I wish bird got to play with someone as good as KD

ember lava
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magic is 2nd best laker

keen ice
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like deadass

finite rune
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Or Kareem

keen ice
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steph after he wins his 5th will be better than kobe

keen ice
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bird had one of the most stacked teams of all time

finite rune
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Since when

keen ice
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almost like steph

ember lava
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young magic was so sexy

keen ice
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bird is not who u think he was

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people keep yapping about KD

ember lava
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magic owns bird

finite rune
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Rookie bird took his team from 29 wins to 61 wins

keen ice
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acting like steph didnt fucking win 67 wins a title and 73 wins and lost in the finals in the last 2 minutes (a series he was hurt in btw)

keen ice
finite rune
keen ice
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KD was good but they won with fucking andrew wiggins - vs a celtics team that was better than any team lebron has faced in the east since the big 3 celtics

finite rune
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Mchale was a bench player for 2 rings

finite rune
keen ice
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give steph wiggins and some solid role players instead of KD and they win 2019 as well

finite rune
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Beating up on Paul George and Derrick roses corpse

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So tiring hearing bron fans glaze him for that

keen ice
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Isn’t this crazy tho

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^thats twitter btw

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thats the 2007 ECF game 6 pivotal match

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like lebron is good but stop acting like hes just carried scrubs (+ the people hes faced later in the east was atrocious)

finite rune
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In birds first two title winners his second option was a guy who averaged 20 and 10

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And no stars after that

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That’s not a stacked team by any means

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Meanwhile magic has Kareem 😂😂

keen ice
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Please stop posting about eras you had never experienced or understood. Larry was a great legend but your post is full of nonsense using today's numbers and analysis to explain that era. I'll give you 3 examples but there are at least 10 that got me mad.

'Inherited' a 26 win team. That's like saying Tim Duncan inherited a 20-62 team... The Celtics won a championship in 76 with 3 of those stars and were still good until they got hit with injuries. Yes Rookie Larry was amazing and fit exactly with what that roster needed. But he was not playing with scrubs. Also Larry was 23 yo as a Rookie, when the jump from college to the pros wasn't as steap back then.

Robert Parish was in his prime in 1981? What are you smoking? Why because you peaked at some counting stats? Robert Parish was DeAndre Ayton? Who was Kevin McHale? Enes Kanter? If that's your logic then MJ was Bradley Beal.

Bird has now won 2 rings without even have a teammate average 20ppg

This is you not understanding an era. The Celtics won multiple championships with maybe 1 player surpassing 20 ppg. They'd have 5-6 players in double figures scoring and sometimes like 8-9 players with over 8 points a game. Celtics never played ISO heavy ball. They moved around and made good decisions off cuts and off ball actions. If you think those players weren't good enough to lead other teams then u just understand how basketball works.

What made me the angriest is that my reaction might come off as putting Larry down. But it isn't. He is a top 10 player in my books. Just you having to put down his teammates to show how it was all him. That's some modern day LeBron James fan logic that no one in that era ever dared to make.

finite rune
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Jordan
LeBron
Kareem
Magic
Russell
Bird
Kobe
Duncan
Steph
Shaq
KD
Hakeem
Wilt

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Bro with all due respect I ain’t reading all that

keen ice
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anything different is crazy imo

finite rune
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All I’m saying is that this false equivalency that ppl make that bird and magic had equally stacked teams is just wrong

keen ice
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but that list is lowkey fire

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duncan over kobe and bird imo tho

finite rune
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I have Russell in there because I’m a Celtics homer and because I value winning

keen ice
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duncan is severely underated when he could be considered the best defensive player of all time too

keen ice
finite rune
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Duncan is one pop gaffe away from 6-0

keen ice
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like hell @ember lava cd win in that era

finite rune
ember lava
keen ice
keen ice
finite rune
keen ice
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his offense is horrible tho

finite rune
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This idea that the 60s Celtics were far more stacked than the rest of the league is also wrong

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Go look at their margin of victory in every series

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Everything is close

finite rune
ember lava
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wilt

finite rune
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Russell era numbers are wack anyways

finite rune
ember lava
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goat

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who else is doing this

keen ice
keen ice
finite rune
ember lava
finite rune
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I wouldn’t say his offense is completely trash tho, his playmaking was awesome and prolly he could have scored more if they used him in that role

keen ice
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would u guys ever work for a baskebtall team swe

finite rune
keen ice
finite rune
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But if I did it would have to be the Celtics

finite rune
keen ice
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To start off Russell’s rings were objectively easier to win compared to now. The playoff format was just 2 rounds and then the finals with the first round being best of 3 and second being best of 5. As such Russell played in less games and needed to win less meaning he and his team could conserve energy for a deep playoff run. On top of that there is the fact the league only had 10 teams and 8 teams made the playoffs meaning terrible teams were guaranteed a spot. It wasn’t uncommon for teams with losing records to make the playoffs. One year a team with just 16 wins made it in.

The second part is how much talent the C’s had during his time. His team consistently had 3 all stars including Russell which is far more difficult than people think. Looking at his teammates

Cousy (1950-1963) - 13x all star and 12x all NBA in 13 years

Sharman (1950-1961) - 8x all star and 7x all NBA in 10 years

Heinsohn (1956-1965) - 6x all star and 4x all NBA in 9 years

Havlicek (1962-1978) 13x all star and 11x all NBA in 16 years

Sam Jones (1957-1969) - 5x all star and 3x all NBA in 11 years.

ember lava
keen ice
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Another thing worth mentioning is all these guys except Heinsohn were recently voted for the nba 75th anniversary team where they pick the top 75 players of all time. It’s also worth mentioning Frank Ramsey was the team’s de facto 6th man, was widely considered a starting caliber player and is in the HoF despite not making an all star. I didn’t open up with HoFers arguments because people inevitably make the claim they were only HoFers because of Russell and having a lot of rings.

The only player this really applies to is K.C. Jones who never made an all star in his 12 year career and never averaged more than 10 pts a game and had a career stat line of 7/6/2. So only K.C. Jones and maybe Ramsey are arguing undeserving of their HoF status. It should be noted the HoF isn’t just for the NBA but for all of basketball and Jones’ claim undoubted comes from not only his rings but his NCAA titles and Olympic gold (which he also rode Bill’s coattails in both but hey the man is only 1/8 players to have the hat trick ok). I’m sorry but I don’t see how you can look at these teammates and say Bill somehow elevated them especially since many of these guys still made all stars and all NBA teams before and after Russell. Plus if that was the case Don Nelson would be in the HoF as a player but he isn’t, he’s in the HoF as a coach

To top it all off Russell had Red Aurbach who is arguably the greatest coach in nba history. So Russell was on a stacked team for over a decade, with the greatest HC of all time, in a small league with little player movement. I see people somehow spin it to claim less teams means talent is more evenly distributed but that is blatantly untrue and has always been untrue for sports. Like name me one player from the Syracuse Nationals or Rochester Royals without looking up anyone. Simply put Boston had a monopoly on talent to the point where even their 6th man could’ve been an all star on another team.

finite rune
keen ice
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Russell fans will try to defend him saying he was a passing big but his career average assists is 4 per game which is hardly higher than any other big like say Bob Pettit of the hawks whose career assists was 3.4 per game. TBF Russell did become more of a passer after Cousy retired but he was only the team’s leading assist leader once.

Now am I saying Russell is a bad player? No. Russell is most certainly a top 20 player of all time, maybe a top ten player. And TBF for Russell, his playoff numbers are generally better than his regular season numbers, however there is simply no justification of putting him in the top 5. Already I think of several other players who are superior to Russell. Bird, Johnson, Jordan, James, Jabbar, Duncan, O’Neal, Chamberlain all come to mind before Russell. Even Antekoumpo and Jokic are neck and neck with Russell and the only reason I’d put Russell over them slightly is his rings and mvps. But to say he’s top 5 all time is too far for me since the numbers just dont prove it.

keen ice
finite rune
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Stop it

keen ice
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@ember lava this is crazy

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lowk hype

finite rune
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Cook up some python scripts to make it happen

keen ice
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lol

finite rune
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And all your copy pasting is irrelevant btw

keen ice
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like get rid of brown for him

keen ice
finite rune
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11 rings is 11 rings and 5 MVPs is 5 MVPs

keen ice
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lol

finite rune
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Russell dominated his era

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It’s not a huge stretch to put him at 5 by any means

keen ice
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if praxis was on that team instead of bill they win

finite rune
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If you put him in the top 3 that’s a reach tho

keen ice
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no one is top 3 except jordan lebron kareem

finite rune
finite rune
keen ice
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he got into the right place right time

keen ice
finite rune
keen ice
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tatum had his chance

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idt he will be top 15 all time sadly

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wait big q

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is giannis better tahn KD all time?

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if he wins another ring i think he has to tbh

finite rune
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For me no

finite rune
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But Tatum gonna protect kds legacy

keen ice
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yk what i hate

finite rune
keen ice
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lebron fans complain abt 2017 saying they were facing a superior warriors team

BUT

the talent gap between those teams is less than lebrons gap between the heat and mavs in 2011

then lebron fans complain and discredit stephs 2015

when lebron beat the heat in 2020 when they were just as injured as the cavs in 2015 (tbh even more hurt)

finite rune
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Tatums last games against Gianni’s
40
41
17 in a half before refs starting calling bs fouls on him
46
34
30

keen ice
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ya hes been good

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tatums best game in his career was that game 6 down 3-2

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in giannis house

finite rune
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You need to understand the LeBron fan script by now

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Bucks fans did the same thing with Middleton btw

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Bucks 2021 ring counts but Celtics beating the bucks in 2022 is illegitimate

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Porzingis looked so nasty in the preseason game

keen ice
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injuries is the biggest thing w him rn tho

finite rune
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I wonder how the 2024 Celtics will find a way to disappoint

finite rune
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Nah we not doing any nfl discussions

reef harness
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If anyone has had a BlackEdge qt intern phone can u dm me pls

finite rune
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Yes

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(I actually have no idea but I like scaring ppl)

quasi orbit
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u know this guy?

median mauve
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swe or qt

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tips on passing js screen 😫

keen ice
ember lava
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idk swe + school involvement seems sufficient

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whats ur prev exp

astral breach
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guys guys guys

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😐

hollow ivy
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has anyone done the optiver trading operations analyst new grad tech interview?

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im gonna die

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shit is tmw

astral breach
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yeah

keen ice
finite rune
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like i ever said some dumb shit like curry aint clutch

keen ice
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ya Ik I’m just saying why imi he’s better than bird and russel lol

finite rune
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Nah

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Steph is decent tho

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I give him top 100

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About Jaylen brown caliber

median mauve
finite rune
ember lava
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you make a swe tier list then

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avg swe tier list
Tier 0: Renaissance Technologies, HRT, Discord, Jane Street, SIG, Two Sigma, Flow Traders
Tier 1: Databricks, Google, Netflix, Airbnb, Tesla Autopilot, NVIDIA AI/ML, Stripe, Plaid, Nvidia, Apple AI/ML
Tier 2: Tiktok, Meta, Roblox, Pinterest, Apple, Uber, ByteDance, Snowflake, LinkedIn, Square, Scale AI, Brex, Airtable, Adobe Sensei
Tier 3: Instacart, Dropbox, Robinhood, Datadog, Lyft, Twitter, Asana, Figma, Confluent, Snap, Coinbase, Atlassian, Doordash, Palantir
Tier 4: Salesforce, Adobe, VRBO, Microsoft, Affirm, Splunk, Twilio, Spotify, Palo Alto Networks, Bloomberg, Amazon, Radix
Tier 5: Oracle, Tesla, VMWare, Shopify, Intuit, Expedia, Paypal, Disney, eBay, Autodesk
Tier 6: Cisco, Intel, IBM, Capital One, Citadel

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yikes

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lame time

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chatgpt wouldnt rank companies

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prompt engineer diff

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two sigma > openai

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🔥

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apple > hrt

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where is twitter

gusty imp
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VMWare Tier 10?!

median mauve
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Tier 0: Rentech
Tier 1: TGS, OMC, Headlands, Radix, Aquatic
Tier 2: Jane Street, 5r, Jump, DESCO, 3red
Tier 3: HRT (dropped bc bad yr), Optiver, Citadel/Citsec, PDT
Tier 4: IMC, CTC, Voleon Group, DRW, Tower
Tier 5: 2s, SIG, Akuna, Belvegoat, Geneva, Wolverine, Virtu
Tier 6: Trillium, Millenium, BAM, p72, WorldQuant

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thanks for your feedback, the committee kindly appreciates it and takes it into high consideration

clear grove
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where's Citi qr

quasi orbit
shadow cave
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anyone given the geneva trading python oa

wintry tendon
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prolly not

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it took me like 1.5 weeks lol

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but not swe

rugged rampart
keen ice
keen ice
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whats rentech

finite rune
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Respect grant Williams

ember lava
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bro goes to tufts parties

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as an nba player

keen ice
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ill make em both

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wait praxis can u send a legit tier list pls

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for me

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for SWE

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@ember lava

haughty hinge
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I heard it’s very good yes

finite rune
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What are these tier lists based on? Money? Prestige? Work life balance?

livid wedge
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citadel gqs vs random citsec team for swe?

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i have to choose one

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idk the comps but idrc about intern comp

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i mean id like to do QR type stuff

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one of my friends who applied cit swe last year did like low latency qr stuff on a citsec team

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so i was wondering if GQS would be similar?

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oh i see

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i didnt get much details but ill get more thanks

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ik they have like QR engineer role which seems cool

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ye

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the people ive talked to say that if both go well they make u choose

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like a guy i talked to got positive feedback from both

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and he had to choose which one to go through with

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but yea i heard like switching teams within org isnt hard

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but across citadel and citsec is a lot harder

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hm i see

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im alr hoping to offseason cit

low vault
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thoughts on being a qswe forever vs tech, currently I don't have that much interest in qr/qt type roles in the long run thinkies

livid wedge
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but yea i dont wanna do data pipelines lol

low vault
livid wedge
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i think it depends right i feel like qswe at a good firm is still better than those options j cuz of growth potential

low vault
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yeah i think breaking into low-lat is what I'm most curious abt

livid wedge
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oh did they ask technicals?

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damn i was hoping for j behavioral leadership lmaoo

low vault
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i got nvda for some cloud gaming stuff so im tryna organize my intern ordering rn

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do people normally just return to their final internship?

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or does it also happen that people reach out to some of their past internships asking if they're hiring?

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cos ideally i wanna have exp at a couple of diff places

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and then be able to choose what to get into for ng

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but obviously u cant line up multiple ROs at once 😂

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i think if im happy w my next 2 internships imma just grad 2025

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so hopefully less 🤞

stray leaf
median mauve
rose holly
median mauve
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😔

azure zenith
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imo should be dropped down a lvl too

rose holly
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Bam is goated

void sorrel
clear grove
leaden temple
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Why is 5r up there with js and jump

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Is it that good

rose holly
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Arrowstreet tier 1

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@vernal hornet

lyric loom
quasi orbit
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Did the Voleon SWE intern positions close?

sonic abyss
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How is it clearly a troll

rose holly
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Idk about 50 but theres a lot of bad placements

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Yeah

livid wedge
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what would u say instead

rose holly
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At first glance it seems feasible

livid wedge
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j curious

rose holly
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Then you actually look at it

livid wedge
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that tier list was for swe as well right

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or overall?

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idk lolol

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i think thats why OMC was ranked so high

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their swe outcomes are insane

rose holly
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I feel like swe tiers are known enough, qr tier list might be more useful tbh

muted topaz
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does anyone know anybody who waited for >1 day to hear back from js after final round?

livid wedge
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yea exactly

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really what makes u say that?

muted topaz
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yeah

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4

livid wedge
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for js swe they usually tell u the same day

muted topaz
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  • qna
livid wedge
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whether or not u get it

muted topaz
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so idk lol

livid wedge
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yea idt its a good or bad sign tbh

muted topaz
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i really hope that they're on the fence and haven't decided or smth lol

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better than being a 100% reject

livid wedge
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yea thats probably it

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weak hire or some shit

muted topaz
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more deliberation?

livid wedge
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idk im talking out of my ass i dont work at js lmaoo

rose holly
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I work at js

livid wedge
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i j know like they will sometimes cut u 2 interviews in

muted topaz
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I've heard of ppl applying for ft and being forced to do an internship but idk

livid wedge
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and my friends who got offers got it same day

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like after the last interview

rose holly
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HRT made tier 2 twice

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Theyre just that good

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I have a manor instead

rotund glacier
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Meh

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JS isn’t that high

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Their tech is cringe

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C++ all the way

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Overrated company tbh

livid wedge
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JS is amazing

rose holly
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C++ is dumb

livid wedge
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best wlb, really good comp, good growth

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i thought JS is 9 - 5 max

rose holly
rotund glacier
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Nah

livid wedge
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my friend who interned last summer said no one stays past 5

rotund glacier
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I liked HRT tech a lot more

livid wedge
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im talking comparatively to the quant industry as a whole

rotund glacier
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Me when I get wrong info

livid wedge
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obv it doesnt beat like working 2 hours a day at google

rotund glacier
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Y’all don’t know what you’re talking about

rose holly
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Do you

livid wedge
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hrt was negative this year

rose holly
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This channel just sucks

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Full of npcs

livid wedge
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whats ur experience like @atomic quail

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in the industry

rotund glacier
livid wedge
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have u worked at one or more of those places?

rotund glacier
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I’ve interned at both JS and HRT

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Among other places

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I think I know what I’m talking about

livid wedge
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were u a swe, trader or qr?

rose holly
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Is he a washout tho

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Seems like hes doing fine after

livid wedge
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how so?

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DRW is 100% ro rate i thought

rose holly
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Drw swe was nice

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Everything else was terrible

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Swe was 100%

livid wedge
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yea for swe

rose holly
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Is pdt really that low

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I thought they were nice

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This guys too cracked

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Are you already working or starting ft next fall

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Oh nice

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Money printer

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Nyc tax such a pain

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I might try to live in jersey just to not pay it

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Maybe i go to connecticut

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New haven

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I dont think so

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I think only state works like that

rotund glacier
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Wdym washout

rose holly
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The requirements to be a New York City resident are the same as those needed to be a New York State resident. You are a New York City resident if:

your domicile is New York City; or
you have a permanent place of abode there and you spend 184 days or more in the city.

All city residents’ income, no matter where it is earned, is subject to New York City personal income tax. Nonresidents of New York City are not liable for New York City personal income tax.

azure zenith
rotund glacier
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What’s an HRT washout

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I wanna know

azure zenith
ember lava
pearl venture
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Anyone here have a phone interview for citadel sec - quantitative trading?

rose holly
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@lament coyote

raven pawn
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avg swe tier list

median mauve
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why headlands so low

fiery owl
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Do you know if Optiver still really has spots for interns? I have first technical interview on Friday

deep cargo
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did an internship after graduating?

rose holly
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Didnt realize bam was tier 2 for anything

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Theyre def good for qt

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Idk about qr tho

static musk
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is there any ev in doing drw spring if im going to imc summer (swe intern)

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market exchange team i think

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lol

deep cargo
static musk
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ah makes sense

static musk
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did u

deep cargo
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a lot more people this sem, and some cracked intl students as usual

static musk
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@deep cargo dyk if 4170 is any good

deep cargo
static musk
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isnt js a sig spinoff lol

rose holly
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Isn’t headlands a spin-off of citadel

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20 years headlands?

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I think was like 2009

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Also Radix kind of a spin-off

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Very few firms that I know are not kind of a spin off outside the pit crew

low vault
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fr

wintry thorn
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Does IMC final behavioral screen people off?

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For internship

barren steeple
wintry thorn
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Can I dm you?

gusty imp
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^ the bar

wintry thorn
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Thank you man. I’m stressing rn hahaha

clear grove
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if gqs was its own thing where would you place

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oh

brave vessel
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doesnt cit mostly hire from t10

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i go to school in canada so is it ggs?

shadow estuary
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at this point most quant places dont care that much about school

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tons of canadians at cit

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still might be ggs for you tho

brave vessel
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uncalled for WHYYY

versed temple
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Anyone know what arrow street swe process is liek

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Just got first round 90 min call

empty burrow
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How best to prepare for open ended modeling questions in interview? Like "how would you choose what snacks to put in a vending machine" kind of question

night cove
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Whatever snacks make the most profit

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ez next question

empty burrow
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🤔

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is there any good book or guide

quasi orbit
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dm

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yes

boreal tartan
sonic abyss
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SHARK

lyric loom
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SHARK

rose holly
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SHARK

low vault
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your mom

solar drum
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hey, does anyone know anything about the optiver interview process for hft research intern role?

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i took the OA two days ago and just got a request for a technical interview

thin bramble
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I know a little

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Does anyone know estimate of days to hear back after optiver hft research intern interview

shy tide
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anyone know anything about TDO Intern at Jane Street

solar drum
thin bramble
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I took yesterday

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but I'm on 2nd technical

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1st technical is betting games, where you bet 1 round basically

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2nd technical is betting game where you bet for many rounds

wintry tendon
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lmao

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hft researcher does same dice coin games

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wyd when you show up for hft research and u can only do dice coin games lol

quasi orbit
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why is millennium so high

keen ice
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GOOD NIGHT EVERYONE!

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@ember lava @dim ocean

dim ocean
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Good night bro

sick bolt
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also are they doing return intern

nova dust
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Hey sorry for this question but anyone has idea how to solve smart schedular(Optiver)?

gusty imp
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what's cscd

odd wing
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hi! i'm having my de shaw systems interview soon--do you happen to have any tips?

rose holly
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can u review my resume as well?

supple shoal
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anyone know what the pass rate for cit swe intern onsite is like?

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bro thinks hes funny

languid drum
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has anyone done maven securities phone before?

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or millenium swe final

wintry stirrup
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Does optiver have a hire limit or have they ever hit capacity on SWE interns?

azure zenith
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But it's quite high/usually they are open for a long time

void sorrel
wintry stirrup
#

Anyone know optiver final pass rate?

wintry stirrup
azure zenith
wintry stirrup
#

Doesn't seem too bad

candid pier
#

whats the avg time to hear back after jane live coding round?

ember lava
#

Within a week

void sorrel
candid pier
azure zenith
#

🤷‍♂️

#

yes

#

In Nov '24

#

Nah, just want to enjoy free time & travel/play with the money I have now

#

No point working that time

#

I finish uni then have 4-5 months free to do whatever I want

#

Yee

#

I might go super into music for that period too

quasi orbit
#

Doesn’t jump culture suck

azure zenith
#

Auditioning to play a concerto with orchestra for my uni, but it would be for next year January, so I'd have to take 1-2 weeks off work and come to uk

rose holly
#

No way desco culture at the top

#

That list gotta be troll

robust parrot
azure zenith
rose holly
#

Yo

ember lava
#

my friend didnt get mm qs for first phone he has no qt exp

rose holly
#

Br

shy tide
#

can someone help me

#

is TDO position worth

#

at JS

rose holly
#

No

shy tide
#

.

ember lava
#

i might be wrong tho

shy tide
#

yea seems like they want ppl to stay in TDO

#

so idk

#

and salary progression seems low too

#

yea prefer swe

#

i dont mind trying TDO

#

but def dont want forever

#

.

#

so

#

this is the last internship for FT

ember lava
#

wolferine is tier 0

#

broke my tier list

shy tide
#

wat

ember lava
#

its too good for my tier list

shy tide
#

lol

#

culture seems rlly good

#

wolverine traders are rlly goated lol

#

pay is meh

#

i am j saying overall company is not bad at all

#

but yea ofc swe at other quants > wt

rose holly
#

@ember lava

keen ice
ember lava
keen ice
#

praxis are we homies

ember lava
#

i do

brave vessel
#

lol what happened to citidel culture, is it bad

upbeat forum
#

a couple of week iirc

sand cobalt
#

Still worth doing Akuna102 or are they done hiring?

deep cargo
#

That’s such a coincidence lmao

night cove
#

whats bro wafflin about

#

who asked

livid wedge
#

it is not

#

they won't even consider you because of "internal competition"

drifting brook
#

Anyone gone through the TDO interview process at JS?

drifting granite
#

Lol i remember in august 2022 i saw sbf's net worth on wikipedia and age and was like

#

shit i wish i was as cracked as himj

winged aurora
#

How' transferable it is if I am working in a role that does options market making but using Java and some socket programming and what not

#

Or do companies care more about the tech itself than the role scope

fiery owl
#

Has anyone done optiver technical first round, if so, what is it like (for swe)

night cove
#

Got JS final let's goooooo

azure zenith
#

Prestigious but bad vibes

#

Because of this

vernal hornet
#

how long to hear back after hrt oa?

brave vessel
#

@atomic quail how do you know so much about the quant world.

#

he has been on the inside 0_0

stiff girder
#

Has anybody done or in the final stage for Python SWE Internship @ HRT??

keen ice
brave vessel
#

thats fine, no need to apologize

#

i thought you might have had some internships at big names in the past or something which is why i asked

#

oh ok

#

😦

#

ull prob make it

normal grove
#

Does anyone have advice how to clear swe interviews at quant firms, I've gotten stopped 3 times at the phone round.

Typically I get through 2 leetcodes and some theory questions in the allotted time, sometimes its a struggle and I'm not fully confident in the answers I give, could that be the problem?

supple shoal
#

anyone ever had cit interviewers ghost them?

#

in my onsite rn, third interview

second interviewer didnt show up, 5 mins into my third interview rn and nobody there lol

normal grove
#

i did for intern, got to 2nd round, first round is phone where they ask a bunch of python trivia/some leetcodes, 2nd round is call with hiring manager where they find out what kinda person u are, i believe after hm there is 1 more technical

#

i didnt get past the hm round

azure zenith
#

I replied to a story linked about it

azure zenith
#

The owner seems crazy

#

\founder

#

Oh then go for it

#

Good name still

#

Yes

#

Well the other firms would

normal grove
#

ive p much said eevrything i know but sure

azure zenith
#

The high level firms will know the name

normal grove
#

tough market these days OMEGALUL

#

maybe nvidia but their recruiters are v slow

#

my focus is too split to get quant rn i feel like

#

im not able to dedicate my all to preparing for the interviews etc

brave vessel
normal grove
#

i did a bunch of internships in web/backend space and while it paid well, it felt pretty bland

brave vessel
#

pretty based

#

are u cs or eng?

normal grove
#

eng

#

computer eng

brave vessel
#

🙂 very based

#

ya webdev is pretty rope

normal grove
#

crud is rope OMEGALUL

#

i was at aws tho so luckily not much crud, but it was still mostly like fixing nullpointer exceptions and shit in their terrible java code lmfao

brave vessel
#

ya qd seems like some fun software problems

normal grove
#

the lengths they go to take advantage of hardware is p interesting

boreal tartan
#

awehfewiuohfqekjwbvckfqer;fnveqr

astral breach
#

how much does cit negotiate intern offers

sonic abyss
#

They matched sig last summer i think

#

+15 ish

#

they did sig +5 or smth

versed temple
versed temple
thorny gate
#

drw vs imc?

thorny gate
#

swe both

#

interesting i was thinking drw for sure

#

wdym by fast

#

so final thoughts on imc vs drw swe, i got deadline today

normal grove
#

isnt it all under sea cable?

#

what are they transmiting via satellite?

#

brah

#

cboe weather futures OMEGALUL

reef marsh
#

Imc goat company

#

Frankly

#

They only hire 160+ iq though

#

Like myself

vernal hornet
#

u are biased i think u made up these numbers

deep cargo
thorny gate
#

yeah i do

#

and i like it

static musk
#

@thorny gate imo if culture isn’t ur top priority and it’s a good drw team go drw

deep cargo
#

know someone who got expedited after declining final

wintry tendon
#

ye

vernal hornet
#

@primal shell u really don’t need to defend imc here lol

#

it’s a waste of time

wintry tendon
#

everyone had record profit in 2022

#

sure some people had record profit in 2020

#

but like IMC optiver cit/sec

#

do a lot of the ug quant hiring and made record profits

rotund glacier
#

@primal shell stop glazing IMC

#

it's not that good

#

cringe

silent night
#

Anyone know if js allows swe interns to come back as trading interns the following summer?

obtuse flame
silent night
rigid blade
sonic abyss
#

wdym by latency issues

#

imcs one of the fastest HFTs no?

#

Their pricing on the other hand

quasi orbit
#

imc culture is too chill for them to be top performer

midnight stratus
#

I heard they fired 3 employees after immediately traineeship

drifting granite
#

ye imc firing is swift

keen ice
#

anyone have any anime recs

buoyant stirrup
#

From a software engineer looking to break into quant in a few years what do you guys suggest I do? I know there won't be a one size fits all solution but I'd like to know general skills I can pick up to become a good quant I feel like I have good enough math and I'm constantly striving to improve myself in building software and would love to work with HFT / trading systems in general and wanted to get like an general overview of what skills I should pick up on the side to be successful and land interviews for quant roles - like quantitative developer etc

#

I'm working in a startup that is doing large scale data analytics and a lot more stuff and my role is like a backend engineer combined with a little bit of NLP

#

OH you mean to say they'll look at the company I worked for in the past too?

#

Lemme rephrase what skills are quant firms looking for in general?

#

I'll check to see if there's an overlap

#

Central engineering as in software engineering? I was under the impression that it'd be easier for me, a software engineer to transition into the role of a quantitative developer?

#

Is it not possible to acquire finance skills externally and become a desk dev? And are roles like "quantitative developer" available inside the central engineering division as well?

#

Ah I see but then I wanna know are roles like quantitative developer available inside central engineering?

#

Or is it more of what I do which is the traditional software engineering?

#

Ah I see is there a way for like a SWE to maybe transition into stuff that are more trading related?

#

Oh so you're saying its easier to transition from central eng to quant roles once you get into a firm instead of going directly?

#

I'm willing to get the knowledge required BTW I previously mentioned that I wouldn't even apply until like 2 years

azure zenith
#

BUT

#

they will happily invest money in training you for finance stuff

#

so i really wouldn't give much of a shit about learning it yourself

#

because they won't just take your word for it even if you do unless you have actual experience

#

+1

buoyant stirrup
#

Ah I see

azure zenith
#

be the best developer you can be

#

the rest, they will add

buoyant stirrup
#

Okay then

azure zenith
#

they are not looking necessarily for good finance developers. They are looking for good developers- ones that are malleable, adaptive, able to learn and produce results, and of course have interest in them

buoyant stirrup
#

That provides a lot more clarity thank you

azure zenith
#

at least from what i've learned in my company - can't speak on behalf of everyone

#

often at most companies it's a spectrum of how close you are to finance stuff (you will always be close relative to outside, but in terms of devops vs. on the desk lol)

#

often you have a researcher that acts as a soft boundary, in between trader and developer (someone that knows trading stuff but also a bit of programming)

#

My experience was working as a dev but with researchers on two desks, so i got a bit of both

#

my actual work was relatively core CS stuff but on a framework used directly by them

#

fingers in both pies

buoyant stirrup
#

And dang if the previous company mattered as much as you're saying I mightve picked that job offer at the investment bank I got ( one of big 5) but it had shit learning and I was Most probably gonna work for legacy tech reason why I decided to pivot and got this startup offer which also pays a lot lot more

#

Atleast the team I got had the above qualities

#

You sure I assumed someone who worked at Goldman? had a lot of chances of breaking into quant

azure zenith
#

IB is shit

#

for SWE

#

well and IBers lmao

#

but yeah don't give a fuck about that

#

they don't care if you have a finance company background

azure zenith
#

well

#

no more than usual

#

goldman devs are < FAANG lmao

buoyant stirrup
#

Damn okay guess I shouldn't worry about that offer

azure zenith
#

regardless

#

just focus on yourself and don't worry too much about it being finance or not

buoyant stirrup
#

Yea I got pretty close to faang but not into it but can prolly get in soon as I missed the faang offer by just a bit

azure zenith
#

focus on being a good developer, that's what they're paying for, not someone good at finance (they have plenty of traders & researchers for that part)

buoyant stirrup
#

Got it okay

#

Thanks for the advice

azure zenith
#

they will gladly invest time and money into getting your finance knowledge good

buoyant stirrup
#

You mean to say

#

Youd pick a good swe job at a very good startup than a quant dev role?

ocean gazelle
#

@atomic quail iirc you can directly apply to front office QD positions, no?

#

Idk where that guy is in his career, but I’d assume NG QD interviews test academic math + programming skills versus financial knowledge

#

it’s easy for a firm to teach someone the financial skills they’d need through an education program

azure zenith
#

i think that's more accurate

azure zenith
#

that's why mos thave a traineeship

#

usually 3 months or something

buoyant stirrup
azure zenith
#

think so yeah

#

it's just any newcomers to the company

#

in my one at least even HR get some of it

ocean gazelle
#

true

#

@buoyant stirrup if you’d like to self-learn it yourself and have some sort of accreditation for your financial knowledge (though not sure how appreciated the name is), you can go through Akuna’s options 101 and options 201 courses

#

you could also do rtg and imc prosperity which would give u a decent understand of what QDs do (minus the strategy creation side of these games)

azure zenith
#

👍

buoyant stirrup
long raft
# buoyant stirrup https://www.efinancialcareers.com/news/2023/07/quant-jobs-in-finance-no-degree ...

Efinancial is the gossip finance website 😂

Yes it’s true that some people can get in without a degree but also 0.00001% of uni dropouts become billionaires. The rest of the dropouts don’t become billionaires.

Plus telling everyone to do open source to get a job is bullshit. There are so many open source projects flooded with people who have no clue about what they are doing and just commit and spam PR so they can have it on their CVs. (I really appreciate when people genuinely contribute. Open source needs people. When people contribute to make something better or help that’s great! )

#

Just my 2 cents

#
  • if you contributed to an open source project and it’s something they use and the interviewer knows the project they will definitely check your commit and will ask you stuff about it. (Happened to me already)
obtuse flame
buoyant stirrup
rose holly
#

You are over complicating it

long raft
#

Tbh you don’t have to have “industry specific projects” they don’t care about that 😅 if you have decent exp they care

buoyant stirrup
#

Should've completed my question

rose holly
#

If you live in a financial hub and you have some years of experience as a developer, you will get hit by headhunters

#

And you will get an interview somewhere

buoyant stirrup
#

I was looking for open source repos which have tools regularly used by quant devs

rose holly
#

You are wasting your time

long raft
#

For Ng and internship having a prestigious degree (think MIT) helps

rose holly
#

You either get a famous company internship or go to a great school or be really lucky

#

Or you just continue with your life and get an interview in 2-3 years

long raft
rose holly
#

Damn, having something financial related might even be a negative because they’ll roast your work during the interview

buoyant stirrup
#

OH dang

long raft
#

I mean yeah they will ask ofc

rose holly
#

And I have a big confidence that HR doesn’t value that shit

long raft
#

That’s why I said random open source projects on Cv can be dangerous. They will ask

rose holly
#

For interns / new grads

#

Get a degree from MIT / go to FAANG internship / win a competition / or be lucky

#

Otherwise just interview in two years, it’s not the end of the world

buoyant stirrup
#

I'm not a student chill already in the industry. Was looking to apply to quant roles in an year or so and thought contributing to open source stuff they use might help but yea they could also take that chance to roast me

rose holly
#

Yeah useless

severe talon
rose holly
#

Swing on headhunters

long raft
#

Make sure you know your daily tech and can show impact. Culture fit is also a huge factor. Some places have “is this a nice guy/girl vibe who can work in a team and is a friendly person”.

buoyant stirrup
#

Gotcha

rose holly
#

Also the reverse

#

Is this person an asshole that can work like a dog ? Depending on the place lol

severe talon
#

question 1 on the citadel hm checklist

long raft
# buoyant stirrup Gotcha

And don’t be worried about “I never coded c++” there are a lot of shops using python, java, c#, …
Hft ofc is mostly c++ but hft is not everything

round portal
#

anyone got any info on what citsec technical is like

silent night
timber quartz
#

If u did good enough they offered a return trading internship

#

Oh lol that’s exactly what nosimp said

severe talon
obtuse flame
sonic abyss
#

yea if they think ur good enough for js they pretty flexible with what role u want

wintry tendon
#

What if u are not good enough :/

stray leaf
#

They're pretty happy to give people the opportunity to intern

#

Also you need a SWE intern return to even try out for trading

obtuse flame
#

But could be wrong

stray leaf
#

Seems way more roundabout

wintry tendon
#

to gamble on js postgrad trading internship

#

625k vs 0k coinflip

last briar
#

anyone already had ctc interview after passing OA?

snow jungle
#

has anyone interviewed for Virtu QT yet?

drifting granite
#

Swe intern at js seem higher EV lol

#

Better return odds and a chance at a no risk try at trading

rose holly
#

he took radix over js

silent night
lyric loom
#

@drifting granite 🐐

zinc palm
#

hi everyone, can I ask for advice for cit leadership call

#

it’s my first time (and probably the only time) I can make it this far 😭

zinc palm
#

I have no idea what team

#

The guy will interview me for leadership is from core engineering

fast gazelle
#

@rose holly congrats on radix

zinc palm
#

It’s intern 😭

cunning vault
#

how important is cpp for qt

#

or is python enough

keen ice
#

Is Rick and Morty good?

broken trail
#

has anybody here done old mission winter intern trading oa?

lime flume
#

anyone do the hrt swe oa? nyc rat problem?

restive cloak
#

does optiver ask LC hard for onsite

wintry tendon
#

POV ur not gonna be given immortality pill

haughty hinge
#

Has anyone interviewed for Cit qr intern? Preferably for the GFI execution team

sick bolt
#

if anyone interviewed for optiver swe and is open to sharing how their process went, can u dm me? thank youu, i have phone today

earnest hound
#

has anyone interviewed for desco tpm intern 🫡?

fiery owl
#

has anyone done jump final yet?

supple shoal
#

has anyone heard from bam since swe intern final? mine was like 4 weeks ago they keep saying theyll get back next week

devout tree
#

Does anyone have experience with Optiver interviews on campus? If so please DM me 🙋🏻‍♂️ 🤝

leaden temple
#

Optiver swe vs imc qt vs arrowstreet qd vs citsec swe for last internship

#

Asking for friend. He only care about pay progression

cyan shoal
#

damn thats a tough one lol

#

idt they care about qt vs swe

#

only money

shadow estuary
#

pretty sure qt is just always gonna be better pay progression

cyan shoal
#

if only money

#

u gotta choose imc qt

#

imo

leaden temple
#

He can do qt or swe doesn't matter for him

cyan shoal
#

straight money progression has gotta be imc qt or citsec swe actually maybe arrowstreet

leaden temple
#

Imc qt ng is not even 350 and optiver is 425 tho so he don't know if imc pay like that

cyan shoal
#

starting is not everything imo

#

but up to him

leaden temple
#

He say optiver swes he talked to during visit said they making 700k two years in

cyan shoal
#

i mean if u want just straight pay then go to arrowstreet

#

theres arrowstreet swe making 550-600 first year

leaden temple
#

Arrowstreet pays?

cyan shoal
#

have a friend with 625k arrowstreet first year

leaden temple
#

For qd? Damn

cyan shoal
#

yes

#

not qt

#

qr*

leaden temple
#

Ok that's diff tho

cyan shoal
#

wdym

#

i said not qr

#

its quant dev

#

he negod a good bit though tbf

leaden temple
#

Ohh

cyan shoal
#

but still idt any of the other 3

#

will come close to arrowstreet

#

bro im not saying its my position

#

thats his friends

#

idt optiver or imc are gonna get close to arrowstreet or citsec

#

at least starting

#

but if u are really good qt

#

imc might have good long term potential

#

and u can always switch to qt at a better firm

leaden temple
#

He say he care about pay and wlb

#

And imc trading is all automated anyways

cyan shoal
#

super generally at least

#

Yea fair

#

Tbf tough q idrk

#

Yea lets just say he had all the nego in the world

static musk
fair sun
#

Why do you say so

peak egret
#

dude how do i get better at these brain teaser type Qs

hardy seal
#

have a friend year 3 at imc making >800k

#

trader

peak egret
#

i better ace this then 😭

cyan shoal
#

Im actually gonna kms lol

fair sun
#

Is it common for it to scale that quickly

peak egret
#

wdym

#

pattern recognition?

sonic abyss
#

30-50%

#

depends on ng class performance i think, no set %

#

actually probably more like 20-40

oblique orbit
#

Is two sigma swe OA auto?

ember lava
livid wedge
#

citsec swe intern vs drw swe intern?

#

i wanna optimize for full time pay progression/growth

#

have to decide by today so appreciate any advice

#

why

sonic abyss
#

if u only want pay progression citsec is better

#

They have higher starting pay and higher growth no?

#

Tho idk how drw wlb is but im sure its better than cit

fast gazelle
#

also what desk at drw

#

drw is only even worth thinking about for certain desks

#

rest are mid

livid wedge
#

what is LL?

#

citsec > drw for full time right? for pay

deep cargo
livid wedge
#

bet

wintry tendon
#

Is qt even better risk adjusted for an internship

astral breach
#

whats the citsec swe ro rate?

oblique orbit
#

Has anyone done RBC capital markets quant analyst 1st round

wintry tendon
#

I mean js trader fossil clears lol

#

Those guys have crazy late game income

#

P good at like Jane street no?

#

Like T bill job

#

Just like very low risk relatively

#

Yeah but they don’t fire

#

Just bored + rich

#

Prolly like optiver IMC etc is high variance though

#

Every day is a coin flip

#

Yeah optiver seems rly nuts mid career

#

And like progression

#

I mean it’s just like entrepreneurship right

#

But that’s just correlation

#

If ur mid qt then u probably don’t make good startup

shadow estuary
#

qt is far better for quant

wintry tendon
#

Bro

#

Optiver Edu guy told me someone in his ng class also has a crypto exchange

shadow estuary
#

you really want to be as front office/profit center as much as you can for growth/pay

wintry tendon
#

It’s not even a fake exit

shadow estuary
#

lategame is retiring at 30

fair sun
#

why do you think so

atomic briar
#

well it depends if you want to be a trader lol

#

hey boss

#

imma PM

fair sun
#

is trading that much better than swe

#

is arrowstreet rep not that good?

haughty hinge
#

I think it’s just 1 round and final but don’t quote me on that might be 2 rounds

atomic briar
#

unless you are a very specific type of person

stray leaf
#

ive heard trading hours aren't actually that bad?

#

firm-dependent, but you just work market hours right

#

i feel like you're still expected to do a lot as a swe

#

at a trading firm

#

i'm not sure if minimizing stress is a good heuristic to use in this industry

#

b/c i feel like you can make similar money in big tech

#

i feel like a lot of my trader friends chase the adrenaline from risk taking lol

#

i don't think the difference between 250k and 350k is that big

#

tech just starts a bit lower

#

but after a few years ur making crazy money in either industry

#

not that you're not making crazy money starting off (we live in a bubble)

#

is 450 quant swe common? i thought offers were like 350

#

350-400 is what i've been seeing

shadow estuary
#

dont those 450k offers end up being like 320k first year due to the way bonuses are prorated, etc

#

its a bit of a fake number no

stray leaf
#

yeah most firms pro-rate

#

and your signing falls off after year 1

#

i don't think tech vs. trading is that big of a difference in terms of money

#

for swe

winter ore
#

anyone wanna contribute to my open source project? 😔

#

trynna get some virtual stars so employers think I'm worth hiring

wintry tendon
#

do u have any insight on arrowstreet

#

like what are they / whats their rep

peak egret
#

a lot of firms have the terms interchangable tbh

#

youre better off looking into that specific firm and seeing what the roles responsibilities are

#

then again

#

i have yet to get an internship

supple shoal
#

around when does cit swe intern get full?

rugged rampart
thin bramble
#

Is cit swe intern full?

#

Are you sure

cyan shoal
#

Deshaw is a little fucked in general lol

rose holly
#

False

#

Plenty of mid QTs

#

Also hours are bad and really stressful especially if you don’t have the skills and especially now that markets are more competitive

#

But work pressure is going to be high in tech too now, TikTok influencer lifestyle is finished together with Covid

thin bramble
#

cit has onsite?

left sentinel
#

has anyone interviewed for jpm markets qr?

livid wedge
#

citadel isn’t even doing fall that much anymore

undone finch
#

folks who've interned at a quant firm for SWE, what should i know before going into a quant internship?

#

in terms of the work: any tips, advice?

#

(i'm not much active here, feel free to ping or @ in the reply)

blazing epoch
#

anyone get sig graduate trader oa?

supple shoal
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has ayone had cit recruiter ghost after trying to reschedule D:

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interviewers didnt show up so had to reschedule

thin bramble
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Happened today

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But probably I ghosted the recruiter

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I was in central time zone and recriter didn't mention timezone and I probably missed by 1 hour

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I followe up but recruiter didn't reply

supple shoal
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damn lol i had a similar issue

thin bramble
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should I attempt to call the recriter

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I guess not. Have to wait now

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feels rekt

supple shoal
thin bramble
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there is a phone number in the email signature?

terse grove
clear grove
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if you had a team specific phone prior to final does that determine your leadership call for cit?

supple shoal
thin bramble
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Ok got recheduled

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hr didn't get my email for some reason

cursive atlas
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hi I'm new here, would anyone be able to mock me for optiver qt intern second technical?

tulip sapphire
cyan shoal
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i have 1 prop trader friend and 1 swe

nova dust
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Hi question related to HRT if you bomb oa from one position you can’t apply to any other position?

supple shoal
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recruiter initials LS?

thin bramble
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nope

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CN

devout tree
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I have Optiver HR interview coming up followed by an OA can anyone give tips / tricks on what to practice? I've read above leetcode, mcq, IQ tests... can someone be a bit more specific?

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Can you give a bit more details about what to expect in terms of mcq?

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Have you done the OA yet?

long raft
devout tree
long raft
devout tree
long raft
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They used to be way more chill I have heard.
I assume HR will basically ask your motivation, why optiver and so on. Basic hr interviews.

devout tree
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Yeah I usually do well in HR interviews / fit interviews so not too worried about that, more so about the OA that will likely follow

devout tree
long raft
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I have not done it… was to lazy 😂

devout tree
long raft
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Tbh if you really want to find out what the question is you have to find someone here who is willing to share the info 😂 but tbh it does not really help at the end you will have to solve it anyways

weary path
long raft
devout tree
upbeat forum
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For algo dev I moved on with like 3.5/4

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2 weeks

exotic eagle
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should be 4 for algo dev tho

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and resume maybe

white haven
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Is it normal for cit to give u a leadership with multiple teams?

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Does that mean higher offer chance lol

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what happens if both go well

sonic abyss
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You work on both teams

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Tc 900k

white haven
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Oh that must be why they say cit wlb is 80 hrs lol

sonic abyss
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No thats standard

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Ur gonna be 160 hrs

white haven
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😭

supple shoal
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Anyone know about virtu recruiter call after first technical?

median mauve
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yea they screen again after oa

digital schooner
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Anyone know how long it takes to hear back after cit leadership round

quasi orbit
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2 days

devout mirage
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how hard is it to get quant internships and roles from non-target schools compared to target schools?

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I go to a relatively unknown Canadian university but just curious

nova dust
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In citadel phone interview do you need to 100% code solution? Like if I approach we stated is correct and code it 90% will we move forward

devout mirage
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there's someone in my program who works as a SWE at a major firm but besides that, I don't know of people

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any good resources for someone extremely new to the space looking to work towards it?

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I'm a university student who works at Shopify atm

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swe

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although I'd like to learn more about quant trading roles too

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probably not research tho

nova dust
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I see even in the end he said we are short time so leave that as it is and do you have any questions for me? (Does it consider positive negative or neutral)

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Gotcha man hopefully he would allow it

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Do they generally ask 1 question?

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*only

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Yes bro

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I see gotcha man thank you

shadow estuary
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hrt dude told me hope to see you here then rejected me

devout mirage
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@ruby fog these are mostly interview prep resources I think but are there any specific skills I should focus on for the work itself? I heard everything is in C++ (OCaml for JS, I think?) but I don't know much outside of that

shadow estuary
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so trying to predict is meaningless

devout mirage
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I only just started 2nd year though so I don't know shit about anything lol

nova dust
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I see

devout mirage
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fair enough, I appreciate it bro

nova dust
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That’s true prediction is useless so what’s time line I just ended my interview max how many days it take them reply

devout mirage
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what firms have you worked at, if you don't mind me asking? @ruby fog

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bet fair enough

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alright I appreciate the advice man, tysm

nova dust
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Was that idk for him or me?🥹

floral tangle
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anyone done the vidcruiter for akuna

nova dust
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I see brother so do you have answer for my question?